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Tony Pauline is reporting that most team’s have given approximately fifteen players first round grades this year. It’s not a huge surprise. While it’s true that there’s a deep, wide ranging talent pool that stretches as far as the early third round, it’s a class that lacks sure-fire first round talent. Players going in the 40-55 range will compare favourably with those going in the 20’s. And that means anything could happen.

By acknowledging this we start to get an even better understanding as to why Seattle traded for Percy Harvin. Let’s say the Seahawks are one of those teams with about 15 ‘first round’ players on their board. What are you actually going to get at #25? The answer is, nobody even close to the level of Harvin’s talent. The fans in the PNW should appreciate that they have a front office with the kind of vision to see that and the cojones to make the move. Frankly, I couldn’t care less whether the Harvin trade works out. The odds are stacked in Seattle’s favour here and they were right to take a shot. So while Vikings fans get to contemplate the possibility of adding a guy like Manti Te’o with that extra pick, the Seahawks get one of the most dynamic players in the NFL. It was win-win for all concerned.

Hardly anybody is going to feel satisfied with their draft position this year. I suspect nearly every team in the first round will be looking to move up or down, targeting specific needs and hunting for value. That’s obviously the case every year, but it could be even more extreme in 2013. And that could lead to cheap trades galore.

I wouldn’t be surprised if, like last year, we get up towards 10-12 trades on day one. Little moves where a team is happy to drop for the price of an additional fourth or fifth rounder. The new CBA encourages movement in the draft, but a deep class lacking elite talent will make it even more entertaining. We might see several minor deals (eg — Cleveland and Minnesota flipping spots a year ago) as teams jostle around. The best chance of a blockbuster trade could be if Darrelle Revis gets moved. I suspect as the board unfolds he’ll start to look like a more attractive proposition. A team like Tampa Bay with a ton of cap room could essentially move from #13 into the 20’s, taking whatever deal they can get, then send the pick to New York for Revis.

We could also see a lot of ‘surprise’ picks, at least based on what the media has reported thus far. All those players who’ve been knocked since the end of the college football season could suddenly emerge as first rounders. Players we talked about during September to December (Matt Barkley, Arthur Brown, Zach Ertz, Robert Woods) could end up being first round picks. And everyone will act shocked. There’s basically a pool of around 50 players who could theoretically go in round one. Whether it’s scheme, a hunch, athletic dynamism or consistency — we’re going to see teams going beyond conventional wisdom and rankings to take guys they feel comfortable with.

The one position I think we’ll see a rush on is left tackle. That’s not such a bold statement, given it remains a premium position in the league. Really there are three tackles you’d feel comfortable starting on the blind-side in year one — Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson. And then there’s a Grand Canyon of space between the next guy. With teams like Oakland, Arizona and Buffalo all adding ‘stop gap’ quarterbacks this week, they’ve positioned themselves to go after different needs early. They aren’t handcuffed. And that could help keep the left tackles in the top 6-8 picks.

This is the first area we could see genuine movement. San Diego and Miami are on the outside looking in and might feel obliged to make a move into the top five or six to get a left tackle. They’ll need to because suddenly Kansas City, Philadelphia, Detroit, and Arizona all look good bets to draft one of the top three. If Joeckel goes first overall as expected, Fisher and Johnson surely won’t get passed Detroit and Arizona?

The other player who could generate a bit of a spark is Geno Smith. He appears to have emerged as the most desirable quarterback in this class (personally, I still prefer Barkley). Despite the moves by Oakland, Arizona and Buffalo — Matt Flynn, Carson Palmer and Kevin Kolb are not going to answer any long term problems. All three teams need a quarterback for the future. Badly. The question is, have the three new additions this week given them the flexibility to wait?

For example, all three teams could now wait until the early second round. Barkley, Ryan Nassib, E.J. Manuel, Tyler Wilson, Mike Glennon, Tyler Bray, Matt Scott. There are plenty of options there. If nobody bites on Smith in the top ten, how far does he fall?

I’m guessing someone will take Smith in the top ten, but have the three most likely suitors called each others bluffs with their moves this week? Jacksonville probably cringed when they saw the Palmer/Flynn trades. Those two players are more likely to be given the chance to start than Kolb in Buffalo. If you’re the Bills and you want Smith, you might feel less inclined to get ahead of Oakland. I’m guessing the Jaguars were hoping for a bit of a bidding war. Now he might fall to #8 with the Cardinals addressing the offensive line and Oakland adding a much needed pass rusher. I think Buffalo is the most likely fit for Geno Smith.

I reckon Jacksonville is a potential option for Matt Barkley. Gus Bradley will know all about his qualities having spent the last three years with Pete Carroll. He’s a player you can build around, and I suspect Seattle would’ve been hoping to structure around the USC quarterback had they not struck gold on Russell Wilson. If he lasts until the first pick of day two, Barkley could be the pick for Jacksonville. And that would be outstanding value. It’s also the reason why I think someone would look to move into the 20’s to get Barkley if he remains on the board.

What happens at defensive tackle? While it’s a pretty deep class, there aren’t many ‘must have’ players. I think a lot of teams will like Sylvester Williams for example, but will any feel inclined to draft him in round one given he’ll be 25 this year? Is he a true difference maker? I’d argue he’s good, not great. Just like a lot of the DT’s. Really it wouldn’t be a surprise if he went in the top-25 or made it all the way to #56.

Sharrif Floyd, Sheldon Richardson and Star Lotulelei should all be early picks (and are likely to be among the 15 players given first round grades by most teams). After that there’s just a cloud of mystery. Can anyone honestly say they have a good idea where Sly Williams, John Jenkins, Kawann Short, Johnathan Hankins or Jesse Williams will land? They could go anywhere. First. Second. Maybe even third.

Defensive tackle remains a good shout for Seattle in round two, but none of these players are freakishly tall and long. Jenkins is massive, but they’ve looked at guys who are tall and 305-320lbs rather than tall and nearly 350lbs. Kawann Short is a natural three technique, but they don’t seem to be looking for that. In all honesty, despite the need, it wouldn’t shock me if Seattle passed on all of the names listed in the paragraph above and went after a Montori Hughes (6-4, 329lbs) later on. Major character red flags could keep Hughes on the board longer than most expect.

A lot of people don’t think the Seahawks to go linebacker early but I kind of disagree. I don’t think they are handcuffed to amazing speed, although there’s every chance they’ll identify an unknown speedster in the later rounds who just fits into the scheme and works immediately. But I also believe there’s every chance they’ll love what Khaseem Greene brings to the table if he’s there at #56. He’s an impact player. Take that 4.6/4.7 speed an offset it with his mass-production at Rutgers. Not to mention he could be Russell Wilson on defense with his character and heart. He’s a terrific player. His floor might be Tampa Bay at the top of round two (Greg Schiano, Rutgers).

It also wouldn’t shock me if others like Arthur Brown (unlikely to be available) and Sio Moore receive some interest from the Seahawks. I wouldn’t rule out a starting WILL in round two. Why would you rule anything out with this team?

Well, maybe you’d rule out quarterback. John Schneider was part of a front office that drafted Brian Brohm in round two despite having Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers on their roster. It’s also worth noting at the time that Favre was doing his ‘will he or won’t he retire’ act every year and Rodgers had some convincing to do as the prospective heir apparent. Brohm was probably drafted to compete for a starting role. Any quarterback drafted by Seattle this year won’t be competing to usurp Russell Wilson.

Of course, if a certain player is too good to pass you make the pick and hope to turn it into value down the line. However, it’s very difficult to turn the #56 pick into a first rounder if the player is riding the bench. I think it’s more likely they look at the position from round three onwards. Arizona’s Matt Scott will be worked out by Seattle on Friday. That’s one to keep an eye on.

Johnthan Banks is the type of player that falls due to speed issues and then everyone wonders how that ever happened a few years later. I would love, love, love the opportunity to draft him in round two, even if starting outside corner isn’t the biggest need. This front office has been able to add talent at corner with later round picks, but I don’t think they’d be totally against picking the right guy early. Banks would be a hard pass.

I watched Jarvis Jones’ pro-day work out this weekend. I’m worried for the guy. I had him dropping deep into round two in last week’s mock. That could become a reality.

I’m fascinated by Eddie Lacy’s stock. Again, he’s another player who could go anywhere. Tony Pauline spells it out: “The frustration over Lacy and the fact he’s pushed his workout back to April 11th is beginning to boil over. Scouts are questioning whether Lacy is too injured to run or just too slow.” There’s just something about a Lynch-Lacy backfield that seems so ‘Seattle’. He could fall.

And then there’s the offensive line, which could use further depth although I’m not totally convinced that will be a round two target. There are swing tackles likely to be available in that range (Long? Williams? Armstead? Mills? Thomas?) but I do think it’s more of a later round option. Tom Cable will have identified his guy, just as we saw with J.R. Sweezy last year.

I guarantee after day one of the draft you’ll have about 10-20 players you’ll be excited about taking at #56. That’s the way this draft is. It’ll be unpredictable, exciting. And it won’t matter that round one will slide by without any major Seattle shocks this year.

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  1. Kenny Sloth

    Too right, Rob. I’m sure whatever happens at 56, we’ll get a great player. Really hoping for Greene or Sly Williams.

    • Hawkfin

      I agree… Those two (Greene & S. Williams) are my two favorites by far also!
      Teo and the 2 TE’s in the mix too.

      If ALL those are gone, then I guess you would serously have to look at CB. (i.e. Banks, etc.)

      Although I really like K. Short & Jenkins at DT (Maybe B. Williams too? 3rd would be real cool for him)
      Chase Thomas & Sio Moore at LB

      • SHawn

        I am very happy that I am not the only Sio Moore fan out here. I would like to see him drafted at 56, assuming Greene is off the board. If possible Rob, I want to see more tape on him, since whats on YouTube is mediocre quality. I watched him live in a cpl games last year and he looked impressive when tackling in space and rushing the passer.

  2. Ray graham

    Great post Rob! I’m leaning to johnathon banks myself but there are so many ways this could unfold. I am really intrigued by Abry Jones out of Georgia. I’m thinking a late round steal at DT for the hawks. 6’4 315 long arms and fairly athletic. He’s been overshadowed on the Georgia d by his “name” teammates but still managed 48 tackles incl 8 for loss and 4 sacks! What do you know about him?

    • Kenny Sloth

      Ankle injury pretty guhnarly.

    • Rob Staton

      Decent shout, I like both Jones and Quinton Dial at Alabama. There were a few games were Abry stood out which is difficult on that star studded defense at Georgia. R5-7 type who could have an impact.

      • Kip Earlywine

        Looking like Dial won’t get a compilation on youtube. Too bad, because when I saw a few plays of him on other compilations he looked like a very interesting Red Bryant backup option.

        • Rob Staton

          I made the request on Dial and was told there would be a vid available before the draft.

  3. James

    Very nice overview, Rob. As well-stocked as the Seahawks are, the need to fill the gaps today and build for the future never ends. Seattle has two starting positions there for the taking – nickel CB and Will LB. The current backups, Malcolm Smith and Walter Thurmond, are far from sure things, so the R2 pick could certainly be used there, especially if a Khaseem Greene or Johnathan Banks is there, as you say.

    When Harvin, Avril and Bennett fell into the Seahawks laps, I suspect they changed their strategy. A lot of this year’s cap money that they had planned to roll over to re-sign their key guys over the next three years got spent so they could land this windfall of players to make a run for the Super Bowl this coming season. But spending this money makes it even more clear that the only way the Seahawks can clear enough cap space to re-sign Chancellor, Tate, Wright, Thomas, Okung, Sherman and Wilson is to let their big dollar guys go when their contracts expire. Therefore, guys like Lynch, Rice, Miller, Mebane and Bryant will have to be replaced in a couple of years. This especially places a premium on drafting and grooming a top DT.

    All this leaves us sort of where we started: with the R2 and R3 pick likely to be a CB, LB or DT. My John & Pete out-of-left-field guess at #56 is Tyrann Mathieu. If he is straightened out, he is the best nickel CB prospect in the last ten years, and an electric punt returner to boot. Pete will gamble that he can keep the former Honey Badger out of trouble, and take the risk in exchange for an elite talent on the level of Russell Wilson, Richard Sherman and Percy Harvin.

    • Rob Staton

      I really cannot see Mathieu in round two, James. I don’t think his talent warrants much more than a third rounder, then throw in the major, major character concerns. One thing to remember, PC and JS have generally only gone after character red flags they already have background with. In other cases (T.O. & Winslow) they’ve been deals where they can dispose of the player whenever they want. No commitment. And that’s what it’d have to be with Mathieu. Whoever drafts him is going to need the freedom to cut him at a moments notice. And you don’t make that kind of move on day two. I still think he’ll be lucky to be drafted at all.

    • Attyla the Hawk

      I’m not going to dismiss taking Mathieu — since we’ve shown a willingness to pursue strange/misfit prospects before.

      I don’t see him even on the radar until day 3. Namely because there are talented difference makers already in day 2. If Mathieu is a slot corner, then his value is already extremely suspect. But more to the point, this isn’t a guy who would be a top corner without the issues. He makes plays, and gives up plays. I’ve watching him, and I think his cover skills are above average but probably not within the top 7 of CBs in this years’ draft. And he doesn’t show affinity to play man/press coverage. I’ve seen him try to do it, but he’s really not good at it. I’m pretty sure that’d be high on our requirement list.

      He’s in my estimation a pure zone corner who appears to be at his best closing on plays in front of him. Actually, I think in this regard he’s exceptional. If he had better straightline speed I’d consider him an almost ideal clone to Earl Thomas and worthy of a first round pick for Seattle. Because his instinct to jump routes and to close with ferocity is pretty outstanding. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have that kind of speed and that means he can’t play a cover one. So he’s not in the mix for the FS position.

      He doesn’t change direction particularly well — something that he’d be required to do as a slot cover man. His feet are somewhat sluggish laterally. When he’s in a trailing cover position he is positively Jenningsish in his inability to affect passes at all. I saw 2 games of his recently and I recall at least 7 passes where the ball was just chucked up high and he had zero ability to do anything about it. It looked like a big brother toying with a significantly younger brother. I think from a skill perspective, he’s a very poor fit for Seattle.

      Is he a good return man? Sure. I’m not seeing that as being valuable enough to spend a day 2 pick on in and of itself.

      But even if I was blinded to these significant fit liabilities and thought he is a good consistent player in addition to the playmaker he is (which I don’t), the fact is taking him means not taking other similarly talented playmakers elsewhere in the draft.

      It’s a very deep draft. Mathieu isn’t so ungodly productive relative to any of the other day 2 prospects in this draft. He makes splash plays — but so do a lot of these players in the 40-80 pick range. Taking him in day 2, means not getting a really talented player instead.

      He can’t be just a guy you take a flyer on.

      • Rob Staton

        Very detailed analysis here. Nicely put.

    • peter

      Good Gravy……..

      The reason simply that the Honey Badger is not now nor ever will be an elite talent is pretty simple and obvious….It’s his inability to stay available. It’s his desire to put his own personal needs above what a team may require out of him….the NFL is littered with past/present/future talents that may be, because I am not going to argue with matheui’s great season, the most talented player on the field, but if they simply by their own work ethics and personal conduct policies can not see the field they simply never manifest into elite talents.

      I’m all about taking chances, but after reading countless pieces from Rob and Kip, as well as the comments here and other places, the one true characteristic that define to me what it takes to be a Seahawk over arm length, hand size, 40 times, and bench presses is that you have to want it. Simple as that, from Wilson, Sherman, ET, Bruce Irvin ( a project with a past,) to the outsized Red Bryant, even Jon Ryan…each of those players and basically the rest of the starters be they choir boys, or not (see: Lynch, who you could tell between the antics back at Cal straight up loved to play) are fully committed to playing, they love to compete and they don’t let stupid crap get in the way of them being in shape, ready to go, and available at a moment’s notice to get on the field. It’s why I see a player like John Simon playing a tweener role here if available over Tyran…

      How does an emotionally immature player who says on record that he more or less can’t stop himself from committing dumb acts fit into the seahawks plan? Tyran Matheiu could be great, could turn it around but I have a strong feeling the Seahawks won’t be finding out about it…that player has Jerry Jones aka the new Al davis written all over him.

      • Attyla the Hawk

        I’m sure I’ll regret saying this. Good think this article has now rolled back to page 2. But I am starting to see Mathieu’s value as a back up to Earl.

        Mathieu does have his faults. But he does show an innate ability to read a play clean in front of him. His range is not Earl’s range. But he’s not as slow in straight line speed as I assumed. On tape, he anticipates and aggressively attacks balls in the air well. He is a physical player willing to sell his body out to make tackles.

        I can envision a scenario where Pete/John see him as an upgrade to Maragos, a suitable contingency in case Thomas is injured — and a doomsday scenario successor to Thomas if he ends up asking for Revis type money. I don’t like him as a corner. I don’t like him as a person. But I’m liking him more as a FS option for us.

        That position is central to our scheme. It’s possibly the most important position on the defense. We have little insurance there.

  4. Turp

    Now that we can stop talking about Flynn, I cannot wait to stop talking about Mathieu :P.

    It would be very interesting if they took Matt Scott in round 2 or 3.

    • Rob Staton

      Flynn, Mathieu and right tackles… 🙂

      • Attyla the Hawk

        And Guards

        • Dan

          Still not convinced guard is a target at any point in this draft. Carp, Sweezy, Moffit and McQuistan. The depth seems pretty good to me.

          • DavidInBellingham

            So when do we start talking Tebow?

            • Nolan

              Please god no… I will take Matthieu, Flynn, and guard talk all day but please no more tebow

            • DA

              At guard? Perfect

          • SHawn

            Pretty good, but always looking for improvement. McQuistan is aging fast, and Coach Cable could only be here another year or hopefully two. We need a swing T and a G out of this draft IMO. Not early, but we do need them.

      • Scott Allen

        Lets get back to talking about draft prospects. A lot of attention has been paid to #56 but maybe we should have more discussion about the late rounds. I really enjoyed J. Stanger’s article, “Drinking up the Fifth”. Since round 7 will be where we (and others) have the most picks, maybe we could talk about the possibilities of what might be called “The Ass Round.”

        • Kip Earlywine

          He had some good shout outs in that article. I don’t read FGs much, but I stumbled across that article a while back and had some good suggestions from it.

        • Rob Staton

          The problem is here that the 5th-7th rounds are such an unknown, where the Seahawks generally bring in guys they’ve visited with and where the tape either isn’t available or there’s one game out there. We do most of the R5-7 talk after the draft when we can try and get more information. With the greatest respect to J. Stanger, he just seems to throw out a lot of names based on minimal information or tape. After all, it’s not like we could’ve done a review of J.R. Sweezy last year, there was no tape available on Jeremy Lane or Greg Scruggs and one video of the Kentucky defense to discuss Winston Guy. I’m not going to try and con anyone that I can go into detail about players I haven’t seen, which is why we tend to concentrate (pre-draft) on the first 3-4 rounds. But after the draft is completed, I’ll do my best to research the players chosen and see how they fit into this thing.

          • AlaskaHawk

            Rob- maybe you could do an article on what positions might be chosen in the seventh. I’m assuming we have filled our major needs and are taking chances on back ups.

  5. Don

    As much as I like the Harvin trade, I still sad that the Hawks will miss out on the young WR talent that they could have had with their #25 pick.

    I have been looking at Robert Woods and he is really good. Sure handed and able to make tough catches, and fast enough to out run most DB’s. The same is true for Hopkins, and Justin Hunter.

    I hope Harvin does what is expected and does not turn into another small WR Deion Branch.

    • SunPathPaul

      Harvin will crush it… and if Woods / Hopkins or Hunter makes it to #56, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Seattle grab ’em! They could thinking long term, and in how to financially replace Sidney Rice and Zach Miller.

      I’d be stocked to get any of these 3 at #56… Why not ADD to a good thing…

    • SunPathPaul

      Harvin will crush it… and if Woods / Hopkins or Hunter makes it to #56, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Seattle grab ’em! They could thinking long term, and in how to financially replace Sidney Rice and Zach Miller.

      I’d be stocked to get any of these 3 at #56… Why not ADD to a good thing…

  6. Clayton

    Rob, sorry if I’m the only one wondering about this, and I also apologize if you already covered this in an earlier post, but why are taller three techs preferred? Wouldn’t they lose leverage on running plays?

    • Kenny Sloth

      I think it’s just the length so they have an advantage with leverage while they maintain good pad level like they’re supposed to. I can see why. That’s something I’ve noticed. The best players usually have great length.

    • Rob Staton

      I don’t really know, to be honest Clayton. Every player they’ve looked at so far in free agency has been 6-5+ and over 300lbs. They started Branch at 6-6 and 320lbs for two years. They run a 4-3 under but this appears to be a wrinkle they prefer. It could just be that they like length and athleticism from their prospects, even the big guys. And it could also be a weapon to combat the running games we’re likely to see in SF and STL.

  7. SunPathPaul

    Given the Harvin deal, our WR corp and TE talent have become pretty darn solid.

    I still see a joker/catching TE as a vital addition. This could help with Zach Miller’s possible replacement due to cap issues if needed, to save say Sherman?!?

    Whom do you see is most likely here now? Early and later on?

    Also, with Sidney Rice’s price tag, and Golden Tate coming due, do you feel they also take a late bigger WR, say Rodney Smith or Mark Harrison to possibly replace Rice and his cap hit?
    We did get Stephen Williams all ready, JS was jacked, and with Russell leading maybe he pans out too…

    If we see their vision long term, it seems Tate, Rice and Miller must be addressed long term.
    Whom do we keep, and who do we replace??

    • Nolan

      I like Tate a lot he plays really tough football but his skills are duplicated and improved on with Percy Harvin. I also really like Sydney Rice and he is unique on the roster with his size. Zach Miller is essential at this point because we don’t have another TE who can catch and block like him. Can we keep all three ? Probably not so if that’s the case I see Tate as already having his replacement on the roster in Harvin but he is also currently and going forward the cheapest of the trio even in FA I don’t think he sees big dollars, Sydney rice would have to be replaced with another big WR which is unlikely in FA there are big receivers in the draft Darick Rodgers ( character concerns ) Mark Harrison ( consistency concerns ) and others but they would need to be groomed for a year or two before they would be ready and there is of course the chance they wouldn’t be ready. Zach Miller can be replaced in the draft by guys who can catch or guys who can block but I’m unsure how many can do both. So basically the easiest guy to replace is Tate but I’m not sure that replacing Tate will do enough to the cap to keep the other players we want around.

    • Attyla the Hawk

      Well, Rice’s signing bonus is a problem. There is 3.6 million still due (1.2 per year in 2013,14 and 15). Realistically, the last year is the one ‘voidable’ year especially since his contract balloons to 9m in base, with a 1.2 bonus — as far as the cap hit goes.

      I’d have to think that this year or next (or both) they look to secure a cheaper replacement.

      Tate is a different beast. He’s a UFA in 2014. Undoubtedly if he has a similar season to this last one, he’ll be a 2-3m a year player. Probably more.

      In my mind, it’s why I can see Ryan Swope as a viable pick at 56. In terms of ability and skillset, he’s the closest match. In terms of what the Seahawks tend to favor in their picks, he’s a natural fit. His tape is excellent. His production outstanding. He is an all around talented player. I’d say he far exceeds the talent that Tate came into the league with day one. Certainly, I’d put his receiving skills as exceeding Tate’s right now.

      There isn’t a receiver that looks like an imminent replacement for Rice, whereas there is a clear successor for Tate. I can defintiely see an instance where we double dip on WR this draft, with Swope being the first pick if he should fall to 56. That’s not a given. But I don’t see many prospects that look to be picked in that range, with similar production and ‘wow’ factor on tape that meshes with what we want at a position that needs to be addressed in the next 12 months.

      As far as TE goes, while far from a Joker type TE, one prospect that I think could be attractive late is Justice Cunningham (S. Carolina). His speed at the combine was slow — way too slow to be a Joker. But this class isn’t really high on speed to begin with. Gavin Escobar — a prospect lauded here and elsewhere clocked a ‘blistering’ 4.84. He’s a gangly, tall receiving TE. Cunningham clocked a pedestrian 4.94. Neither having the speed measurables you’d hope for.

      In fact, the difference between Eifert and Ertz’s 40 times was larger than that between Escobar’s and Cunningham’s. In fact, Cunningham’s isn’t that far off from John Carlson (4.88) or Zach Miller (4.87)

      Watching Cunningham’s tape, you’d be amazed that he ran so poorly. He has good receiving skills, and is a smart route runner. Catches the ball well in traffic. He isn’t a blazing talent and that is pretty obvious on tape. But he’s a punishing blocker, with quick feet. He’s a guy that should be available in the 6th/7th round. He’s certainly a guy who if we didn’t want to spend day 2 draft picks on a TE, would be a suitable late day 3 alternative.

      Something about him just looks like he could be a solid pro player. For a guy with his size, he has a good ability to find holes in zones quickly, and uses body fakes well to gain separation. Honestly, his receiving reminds me of a Jay Novacek. He may test slow, but he seems to find a way to get open virtually every time he gets into the pattern. He was underutilized as a receiver but certainly demonstrated a high degree of skill in the blocking department.

      He’s a guy I can see having a lot of value. If we end up missing out on TEs in the 2nd through 4th round range — this could be a good plan B to watch for on Saturday.

  8. Ben2

    I’d be happy with Sly Williams, Banks, Ertz, Menelik Watson….I think there will be some good players for the the Hawks to choose from that I could get excited about! Can’t wait for the draft!!!

  9. peter


    I know you stay away from the later rounds out of uncertainty, but have either of you seen anything on Jamal Johnson-Webb out of Alabama A&M?

    Tall, LONG arms, and when I watched the Olinemen drills during the combine, he looked fairly smooth…..Plus the Seahawks were one of four teams to send representatives to the Alabama A&M pro-day?

    • Rob Staton

      I have not, unfortunately Peter.

  10. peter

    No doubt the tape from the powerhouse of Alabama A&M is probably non-existent unless you personally know one of those kids proud moms and dads and can borrow uncut VHS recordings (that’s right VHS!) shot from the sidelines…..

    You get to this weird point at draft time, at least for me, where you start looking at every strange combination of player like a rubics cube……For me it’s Jamal Johnson Webb, Josh Hill the TE from Idaho State, and Nicholas Edwards WR out of Eastern Washington…..just players you can’t pin down why you like, but you just do…

  11. Colin

    Rob, if Alec Ogletree were to fall to #56 would you take him?

    • Rob Staton


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