Is Earl Thomas holding out of the Dallas game?

The Earl Thomas saga takes another twist. Oh joy.

So what’s going on? I can think of three possibilities:

1. Thomas is going to the Cowboys. Neither team will want to face him on Sunday. So the deal gets done (officially) early next week.

2. Dallas stepped up to the plate (finally) and made a handsome offer. Now the contract talks begin.

3. Thomas is still angry with the team and is making a play to change a situation he’s clearly unhappy with.

Steve Wyche at reports, “A team official said that Thomas had not been traded and reiterated Carroll’s statement that Thomas was dealing with a personal issue.”

Obviously this doesn’t mean a trade won’t happen in the very near future. If Thomas is simply making a play to the team — what’s next? Nothing is going right.

One way or another it’s time for this saga to end.

The Seahawks are 0-2 and don’t look like a contender at all. Losing Earl Thomas for nothing in the off-season makes no sense. Extending him or trading him are the only real solutions. They’ve made it clear he isn’t going to get a new contract in Seattle.

If the Cowboys really are offering a second rounder — it’s time to do a deal.

The Seahawks currently only own picks in rounds 1,3,4 and 5 in 2019. They clearly need more to rebuild parts of this roster. It’s hardly a treasure trove of picks even if they deal Thomas for a second rounder plus change. They have needs at key positions and don’t have competitive depth. They have money to spend in free agency — but have to hope some of the better players reach the open market.

Even then, it won’t matter what they do if they don’t address a bizarre start to the 2018 season. A clunking offense, confusing mixed messages about Chris Carson’s workload and a Head Coach interfering with the offensive play calls have added to a disappointing 0-2 start.

Whatever happens with Thomas, these things need to be sorted out on Sunday.

Kudos to the guy who wrote this tweet, by the way:


  1. sdcoug

    Could be a trade is in the works conditional on Earl not playing this weekend? Dallas wouldn’t want to risk an injury to him. Only spit-balling here, happens all the time in baseball where a player is removed from a game due to trade negotiations. Otherwise, wouldn’t you think Earl would WANT to play against the cowboys? If he balls out it would only serve to further remind Dallas what they could have…

    • Rob Staton

      Suspect this has always been in the pipeline. And now Dallas and Seattle are willing to do the deal — it’s just neither wants to face Earl on Sunday. Imagine it gets announced some time early next week.

      • stephanie thanem

        Except for the fact Earl just posted on Instagram “Almost that time” with about 7 pictures of him in Seahawks gear. Just saying……

        • Rob Staton

          He can post what he likes on Instagram.

          Get on the field and practise.

          • Ground_Hawk

            Old dogs, die hard. Earl won’t go without sit splash.

    • Pedestrian

      Agreed! If it isn’t a trade, Earl Thomas should have all the motivation to play AGAINST Dallas. Don’t they value him enough to up the offer?? He has to be thinking that.

      I doubt it is personal reasons since he was at practice and not elsewhere attending to personal matters.

      So with that, I’d rule out 2 of the three possibilities Rob proposed. He’s not starting his holdout again, and he is not actually attending to personal matter.

      This whole thing reeks of a trade. Packers twitter is clamoring for Earl Thomas as well the Panthers. Wouldn’t be surprised if someone other than Dallas stepped up. But seeing as we play Dallas this weekend, it seems obvious.

      • Mark Souza

        I think it’s #3. Earl’s pissed that the Seahawks hold the cards until the end of the season, and beyond if they elected franchise him. So he’s showing his displeasure by doing the absolute minimum.

  2. Sean-O

    It’s always something with this team….

    So we think SEA & DAL are in talks & part of it is ETIII won’t be traded until Monday or Tuesday & part of the “unofficial” deal is DAL doesn’t want him playing against them Sunday?

    Please let it be for a 2nd if that’s the case!

    • Rob Staton

      I think neither team will want to face him. Thus, a deal is practically there and will merely be announced early next week.

    • joel

      It would have to be for no less than a 2nd if that’s the case (caving to Dallas’ demands to make a deal happen), because it also means Seattle would be willing to potentially lose a game to make the trade happen. I don’t think that’s the case though, because Seattle let Duane Brown play that entire game last October before finalizing the trade the next day. I think Seattle is choosing to hold Earl out because of the Jeremy Lane component of that Duane Brown deal, where Seattle got burned because Lane didn’t pass his physical after playing in that same game and that portion of the trade was nullified. Seattle doesn’t want to try and deal Earl only to discover he got injured today, tomorrow, or on Sunday.

      • Stephen Pitell

        Bingo. Makes sense to me, but then I’m a little shell shocked.

  3. Aaron

    I smell a trade coming. That or maybe his personal issue is feeling burned by the Cowboys for not coming to get him earlier. Hawks need the ammo to rebuild so I believe a trade is likely. Also, Hawks may have to cut a few players in hopes of getting comp picks. It’s desperation mode right now to have any real solid hope in the future of this team with Pete at the helm.

    • Rob Staton

      Either it’s a powerplay by Earl Thomas or a trade is imminent.

  4. Volume12

    What happened to that 7th for Shalom Luani? Was it conditional?

    Cut 4 or these 7 before week 10 and get a 4th round comp
    Cut 5 of 7 before week 10 and get 2 4th round comps

    Tom Johnson- √
    Ed Dickson-
    Jaron Brown-
    Dontae Johnson-
    DJ Fluker-
    Barkevious Mingo-
    Shamar Stephen-

    • 80SLargent

      Yeah, this timing with Earl just makes too much sense. Seattle needs draft capital for 2019 and Earl will get them the most. That trade is going to happen.
      What’s more, I bet dollars to doughnuts he’s not the only player traded before the deadline. This is in addition to some of those possible cuts to regain comp picks.
      Yeah, they obviously still have to field a 53 man roster, but I bet they trade/cut to gain picks, then sign street free agents to replace them.
      I bet we’ll see a roster churn that rivals 2010’s.

    • Jerry

      Wow, I didn’t realize that they could recoup that much draft compensation by letting guys go.

      With Dissly’s emergence, I gotta think Dickson’s situation is tenuous. Same thing with Flowers and King doing a pretty good job replacing Johnson. Since both are on IR, they won’t get a chance to play anytime soon. And we have good depth at DL. WR is different, as we are pretty thin there. Cutting Brown would be tough.

      Would it be worth two 4th rounders to cut Dickson, Brown, Johnson, and Stephen?

  5. cha

    Maybe that’s the whole reason they cut Tom Johnson for Luani.

    • Rob Staton

      Possibly. Although Delano Hill missed the Chicago game so they needed some cover.

  6. 805Hawk

    This whole situation is just tiresome. Please end it.

  7. Matt

    I’m tired of the circus. I had way more fun watching the Browns last night than I have been with the Seahawks, going on 2 years now.

    Realistically…this team is bad and not close to anything. Deal as many guys as possible and just start over; including the coach.

    Remember when the Seahawks were fun and exciting, even if they weren’t good? This is like watching a crappy soap opera.

  8. astro.domine

    An imminent trade is the only thing that makes sense; it would be extremely petty for Earl to re-start his holdout for one game.

    Plus, it was always perplexing for the Hawks to let him leave for nothing, as Rob has noted.

    In retrospect, after he’s traded Monday, I this will make all too much sense.

  9. Pedestrian

    Rob, now that teams are through two weeks into the season. Do you see any other teams that may be strong contenders for this deal?

    I agree, I don’t see a scenario where Earl is extended or just walks off into the sunset with no compensation returned.

    Also, do you think another player could be added to the deal? Seahawks could use some depth at several positions

    • Rob Staton

      I don’t. Dallas are the only team to apparently show any interest. And I think it’d be a pick or picks only.

    • Adam

      Seahawks won’t let Earl walk for “nothing” at the end of the season. They will get a 3rd round compensatory pick if he walks. That is why the Seahawks wanted at least a second round pick for him in a trade.

      • Rob Staton

        If they sign new free agents in the off season, and they need to, they won’t get anything for Earl.

      • Gregg

        Yes, but a 2020 3rd rd pick, 2 drafts away

  10. BobbyK

    What a sickening saga. They’ll give Michael Bennett a fourth contract, yet he’s (or was) a good player who has made three Pro Bowls. The guy will never be immortalized in Canton. Yet they won’t give a third contract to a guy at a position (FS) that tends to age well. Never mind the fact that he’s a generational talent who is going to be a first ballot Hall of Famer still in his prime. Heck, through two weeks (with no training camp) he’s the #1 ranked FS in the NFL. The only thing I can guess is that he’s not a true “buy in” guy anymore. That’s the only logical solution.

    Sucks to think we traded a couple of second round picks for an above average offensive left tackle on the wrong side of 30 (and paid him his third or more contracts) and yet could be trading a younger stud for a singular second round pick. Just horrible.

    • Stevo

      So true. But as everybody knows, the hardest decisions to make in business are cutting losses and sunk costs. And so I agree with Rob that a second-round pick for Earl is the right decision now, if its still on the table.

      Obviously, ET is worth so much more. And, personally, a lot of us have a huge emotional investment in Earl – one of my favorite football players ever. I’m sure all the coaches have a huge personal investment in Earl. Its mind-blowing to me that he wouldn’t want to be in Seattle where Pete built a defensive scheme around him!

      I can only imagine that Earl has a personal issue with the FO or coach(es). And, he obviously wants to be in TX with Kris Richard.

      Trade him. Trade him now. Dammmit. I hate this. He was one of a kind.

    • STTBM

      Bobbyk, Bennett was the second-most disruptive D-lineman in the NFL, behind Watt, for years, and was criminally underpaid and under appreciated. Ask Bellicheat what he thought of Bennett. Injuries have slowed him. But he earned that contract. The real problem is Kam–and Kam deserved his contract too. But Allen and JS won’t do third contracts with lots guaranteed any more, whether we like it or not.

      Thomas is also not a true leader like Kam–he’s an Army of One. Plus, he insists he wants more than Berry, and no other S is going to get that kind of money, KC got squeezed and likely regrets paying him.

      I agree, Brown isn’t that great and we got robbed as usual on trade terms.

      With the bizarre behavior from PC and his micro-mismanagement of the offense, I’m ready to see his ass fired. I’m done, I have zero faith in him or Schotty. And with four blown drafts and several terrible trades, I won’t cry if JS goes too.

    • Volume12

      My sentiments exactly. About the safety position ageing well.

      This is also the same team that signed Eddie Lacey, Blair Walsh, and Luke Joeckel, traded away a 2nd and a rain good WR for Sheldon Richardson as if he was the sole piece missinh. And traded away the leader of their O-line in Max Unger for what? Who’s the leader in this O-line now? Britt sure as he’ll ain’t it.

      • AlaskaHawk

        I’ve always thought the Unger trade was a big mistake. First because the Seahawks have been trying to find good offensive linemen since. And second because Graham didn’t ever fit with the Seahawks, but even if he had. Why give away a good player in trade, when the Saints wanted to unload his cap cost? They were willing to bargain and the Seahawks were handing them treats.

  11. SeaTown

    Unfortunately, I have zero faith in JS to get much value in any trade. His track record is not very good.

    • Hawktalker#1

      Come on. If PC was set on doing a bad deal for ET he could have done that long ago. Do you think the Hawks were holding Earl back so they could do a really bad deal? For what reason? Doubtful.

      • Dylanlep

        Well if they were always thinking of not extending Sherman they could have traded him the previous year for good compensation and instead waited and got nothing. So there’s precedent.

        • LLLOGOSSS

          True, but they were contending when they held onto Sherman, and couldn’t predict a ruptured Achilles would torpedoe his trade value.

      • Seatown

        Please show me one JS deal where he wasn’t ripped off? The Hawks deals under JS have been terrible.

        • STTBM

          The trade for Chris Clemons.

          • SeaTown

            Yup. That was a good one. I stand corrected. But you had to go back to March of 2010 to find one. That’s an indictment on JS. Don’t expect anything worthwhile for ET.

            • Shadow

              Getting Justin Coleman for a 7th round pick was a good trade.

            • LLLOGOSSS

              Marshawn Lynch.

        • Jerry

          The trade for Marshawn is an obvious one.

          I’d also add the many times that JS dealt picks to move back into the draft. That helped us accumulate picks, which they’ve put to good use.

          • BobbyK

            Like giving up TJ Watt so they could acquire extra picks and end up with McDowell, Delano Hill, and Tedrick Thompson? Anyone here rather have ATV boy and two backup safeties or a budding Pro Bowl pass rusher?

            • Rob Staton

              The strange thing is, Watt was the ultra athletic, ultra competitive type they’ve often coveted. Think they focused too much on the interior.

        • Hawk Eye

          if he gave up a 1st or 2nd, he lost the deal, he tended to give a high pick for a player with a big salary, and most teams will not do that. Only fair trade he made involving a 1st or 2nd was for Brown.
          but he traded away Marsh for Coleman and a pick, which was good
          can’t argue with trading up to get Dickson, but I think other than Lockett, most other trade ups have not worked
          signing Bennett and Avril were good, don’t ask about the o line guys he signed or drafted….
          he used to get comp pics when players left, looks like he went way from that now

          his track record the last 4 years of drafting vs the first 3 or 4 is very much in decline

          i think he started to believe he only needed a couple more pieces to add to win a championship again and lost focus on his original strategy

        • Stephen Pitell

          We took the Patriots bigtime when we traded for Coleman. He has been the best nickle CB this team has had in a long time if not ever.

  12. Drew

    If this is Earl trying to make a power play PCJS better make sure he never plays another down as a Seahawk, trade or no trade.

    • Hawktalker#1

      That would make no sense at all.


        If Earl is intentionally hurting the team he needs to be benched. You can’t release him or give him away. Let him sit on the bench.

        • TH12

          If this was a power play, accruing another contract year without risking injury would be exactly what he’d want. So you guys’ response to his power play would be… to concede?

          • LLLOGOSSS

            What’s your answer? Trading him is conceding, yet you don’t get fair value for him. Giving him a contract is conceding. In any situation Earl will have gotten what he wanted.

  13. KD

    If this is a prelude to a trade, or if this is a power play by Earl, it’s just a sad situation. Even though he is on the roster, he just doesn’t feel like part of this team anymore. Great and beloved players move on from teams all the time, and It’s really disheartening that Earl decided to take this path. He burned a lot of bridges with a lot of fans with his decisions. Although this is one of the last memories that I will have of Earl as a Seahawk, I refuse to let it taint the lasting memory of him as one of the greatest Seahawks of all time. The one player who i do hold that grudge against is Alex Rodriguez, but it’s not that situation for me.

    Best case scenario at this point is that he is being held out because SEA and DAL are working out a trade, and i really hope that is the case. if not…..blah.

  14. AlaskaHawks

    I’m really enjoying Washington State vs USC. Some interesting players on wash state like Tago and their wide receiver.

  15. Sam

    If the Seahawks are trading Earl, what do you think the chances are that its is for a first? Or do you think the Seahawks caved in and are settling for a 2nd?

    • Rob Staton

      Can’t see a first being involved

      • SeaTown

        The seahawks have no choice but to trade Thomas; therefore, they will get nothing close to his true value. Their hand has been forced. You can’t let Earl walk at the end of the year for absolutely nothing.

  16. Tecmo Bowl

    Mina Kimes
    my inside info is this made me nauseous and gave me a stomach ache

    @minakimes what’s up with e. Thomas possibly not playing sun ? Any inside info?

    Welp if there was any doubt of Earl getting traded this tweet puts an end to that.

    • JC

      actually that response has nothing to do with a possible trade. She’s saying the idea of Earl not playing “made me nauseous and gave me a stomach ache” as a play on “inside info”, as in her stomach.

      • Sea Mode

        —– joke —–>


  17. SoCal12

    So this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion here, but what if, and I know this sounds crazy, he’s actually dealing with some personal stuff right now? I hear his wife is pregnant, perhaps the baby is due soon and he’s under a lot of stress?

    It just seems like everyone is getting themselves worked up over pure speculation. Look if it turns out there really is trade stuff going on I’ll happily dine on my crow, but I just don’t see any benefit of preemptively freaking out about this without any actual solid information right now. It also kind of makes m uncomfortable how easily we’re willing to scrutinize, without knowing any details, a guy that might actually be dealing with personal issues right now.

    Not trying to call anyone out or anything. I just think it’s important to remember that these are real people we’re putting under the microscope here, and that they too have real human problems to deal with.

    • Rob Staton

      If that was right, why be at practise and stand on the sideline? Why isn’t he at home?

      • SoCal12

        That’s a good question, and it’s not one that I’m going to pretend to know the answer to. And perhaps that’s my point. If a coach comes out and says his player is dealing with personal issues then call me old fashioned, but I’m going to respect their privacy and give them room to deal with it. I’ll save my reactions for when we do know the full story. I know in the internet era we all want our answers and gratification Right Now, but I just think situations involving personal matters like this require the opposite of that.

        • LLLOGOSSS

          If you’re right, then of course that stance will be vindicated. But if you’re wrong… then wouldn’t it have been foolish not to see the writing in the wall? This isn’t wild conjecture, the context of this drama suggests something is going on.

          Also, I love Pete, but by now you must realize when he opens his mouth doublespeak pours out like a dissembling geyser. Taking that at face value is, by now, willfully naive.

          • SoCal12

            Call it what you want but I’d rather be ‘willfully naive’ and respectful, than willfully distrustful and paranoid. I ask you, what benefit are we gaining from all of this speculation and guessing? Are we better and more supportive as a fanbase by being hyper-critical of every bit of locker room news?

            • R Fox

              Gotta agree with you, here. I know everyone’s just killing time speculating on a weekend, but I’d rather just wish him the best and that everything’s all good with the family. If he stays, awesome, more time to watch one of the greatest defensive chess pieces to play Safety. If he goes, awesome, the young guys get playing time and ET gets to go finish his career playing for his home town crowd.

              I’m not going to go out and buy an ET ‘Boys jersey or anything, but I’ll be happy for him if he gets to finish up where he wants. Nothing left to prove to me to earn his ring of honor spot 🙂

              Cheers, go Hawks.

        • Rob Staton

          I’m all for being respectful.

          But days after Pete Carroll said Chris Carson was gassed for too many special teams snaps — I’m going to look at his ‘personal reasons’ with a great deal of scepticism when the guy is stood watching practise in sweat pants and a visor. And I think that’s a fair position to take.

          Especially when the team Seattle plays this weekend is the one Thomas clearly wishes to be dealt too.

          • SoCal12

            It’s fair to be skeptical. To be clear, I do think you are pretty fair and respectful when it comes to news like this, Rob. I’d like to thank you for discussing things politely with me as well.

            Perhaps my comments are directed more towards those in the comments already blaming Earl or calling for Pete’s head because they already know 100% that Earl is forcing things or being dealt. We don’t know anything beyond what we’ve been told yet. To pretend otherwise is to be no different than the mob outrage and bolivating you normally find on places like twitter and youtube. I’d just like to think we can be better than that.

  18. H

    This whole mess is a joke.

    Perhaps this whole mess has made me cynical, but I can honestly see this not being a trade and its just Earl throwing his toys out again. And the Seahawks continuing to dig their heels in.
    I wish we’d just extend Earl. But if he misses this game and it isn’t because he’s about to be traded then I will finally be joining the move on from Pete train.

    • Aaron

      If he’s “holding out” from games by not practicing for “personal issues” but still collecting the game checks since it’s not an actual holdout anymore then I’m disgusted at this FO. Things haven’t gone completely off the rails yet, but are really close to doing so. If they have another couple bad showings then this could really become that “Titanic” all those former players said it was. Pete will look totally overwhelmed and unable to control the situation, and JS will look awful for having an organization so bare of talented depth. I’m hoping for optimism but preparing for the bottom to fall out.


      Wait… if ET holds himself out of a game you’re going to join the move on from Pete movement? Did you skip the move on from Earl movement? Pete is the coach, he coaches the players the GM provides him. The GM provided him with Earl Thomas. Isn’t it Earl’s responsibility to come to work?

      • H

        Well it would just indicate a complete and total mishandling of the situation. If he’s not getting extended he should have been traded. It makes no sense to hold onto him for one year.
        The only remaining argument in his favour here, is that having Earl makes us better this year. That’s fine I guess, not the best long term thinking, but it’s fine. But not if that player is so unhappy he’ll be holding himself out of games in the middle of the season. That’s the kind of unwanted drama that will drive the stake through this team.

        Yes it’s on Earl to show up for work, but it’s Pete’s responsibility to mange this team and he hasn’t managed this situation well.

        • Aaron

          Earl does make us better like you said, but are we really playoff contenders this year? So far I’d say no, and if we go 0-5, 1-4, or even 2-3 before the London game I don’t see playoffs anywhere in our plans this season. If we end up letting Earl walk, get the comp pick, but then sign a free agent to negate that comp pick (sounds bad, but just look at PCJS’s track record) then it’s time for both to go. As it stands now, both are on the hot seat.

      • 80SLargent

        “Pete is the coach, he coaches the players the GM provides him”

        Yeah, Pete is also the de facto GM. In other words, he has the final say on players.

        • Rob Staton

          This is very much Pete’s show

        • LLLOGOSSS

          I really don’t think Pete negotiates the contracts or decides what the market value is for safeties. My point wasn’t that this was John Schneider’s fault, my point is if you have a player under contract and you’re counting on that player to play (hence, the contract) there’s a limitation to what a coach (or president) can or should do to make that player happy. Earl is under contract. It’s not incumbent on Oete Carroll to do anything other than coach him and play him if he provides the best chance of winning football games.

          One could argue we should’ve taken the 2nd rounder (I agree), but one should not argue that Earl should get what he wants no matter the cost, or that the team should feel motivated to accommodate such a stance.

  19. H

    Brett Kollman coming out with a new video about the Seahawks OLine. And tbh he’s summarises a lot of what we’ve been talking about, that its not as bad as it seems (at least from the oline perspective.) And with a more positive outlook moving forward than we’ve seen from a lot of folks.

    • Barry

      I tried posting the same vid yesterday eve. Very good break down.

  20. Hawk Eye

    the sad part about all of this is there seems be a serious, and justified, lack of confidence in most people that John and Pete can fix all of this. We have gone from being fans of a team that was feared and envied, to one that is being mocked.
    JS has lost his reputation as a draft genius, and any examination of his trades will has to conclude that he has made some very bad ones, and that those greatly outweigh his good ones. Anyone think he will make a great trade for Earl? Considering where the team is now, the players they lost and the ones they signed, hard to justify signing JAG’s to lose the comp picks they need for the next draft. Is anyone confident that John can find 3 or 4 blue chip talents in the next draft, like NO did last year?
    Pete seems to have lost his magic. He was never a great X’s and O’s guy and he does not have the horses now to play his system. And who believes him when he speaks now? All coaches and GM’s lie to protect what they are doing, but Pete seems “off”.
    I think both Pete and John failed to have a realistic assessment of where the team really is regarding a rebuild and that makes rebuilding harder.
    Russell does not seem confident. He still speaks in cliches and can win the press conference (in his mind), but does anyone classify him now as “almost at the Rodgers/Brady level”? 4th quarter Russ is better, but those turnovers are killers. And Russell has the MOST fumbles since he came into the league, and it is not even close. Is an INT worse than a fumble? And we will soon get into the “pay him or trade him” debate whether we like it or not.

    Does anyone have confidence that Shotty and Norton are above average coordinators? Average?

    I think the O line has improved over last year, but not as much as I though it would. Still a weakness.

    D line looks like Clark and the JAGs. And Clark can get some sacks, but he does not seem to have a lot of other disruptive plays the way Bennett would, or other top pass rushers. He has more sacks than Donald, Clowney or Houston the last 36 games, and 1/2 a sack less than Mack, but does anyone think he has a similar impact

    What is going on with the Penny weight gain? He does not seem quick or fast. Did Pete ask him to gain weight, or did the kid not work hard enough and got out of shape?

    I like this draft class. I think Dissly and Dickson will be core pieces and I am hopeful about Flowers and Green. My hope for Flowers is based on Pete still being a DB guru, so maybe too hopeful. And I think Shaquem becomes an impact player eventually. He has some skills and he has too much willpower to not succeed. Penny? I do think he does well, but it may take him a year, like Gordon a few years ago.

    the 2 previous draft classes have a lot of question marks. Shaquill is a stud, going to do well. Ifedi still struggles, maybe not as bad as some think, but not yet even an average tackle. Is Reed good or a JAG? Darboh and Rees cut, Prosise not doing much and a paper cut away from IR, Vannett not more than a JAG to date, Hill not flashing at all. We were all excited about Carson and Moore as 7th round picks, but neither is a sure thing to be anything more than a JAG. They could be special, but need to wait and see . Naz looked promising but did not even play in the first game and did not notice him in the 2nd. Jefferson looked promising in pre season, but has not done anything yet in the first 2 games. Pocic has promise, but probably not much more than average. Thompson? Anyone anxious to see him replace Earl and think no one will notice the difference?

    Have we seen anything close to the level of complaining and Pete and John since they started?
    Looks like a lot of people are willing to replace them, and maybe it is time. But will that fix things?

    looks like we have a good chance to spend the next year or two with “49r level angst”
    Always a chance the season gets turned around, but I don’t feel very confident about that.
    It just feels like a sinking ship, which is pretty depressing after the last 7 years.

    • Volume12

      Ifedi is as bad as some think.

      Clark is good, he’s just inconsistent. Not a premier pass rusher.

      Thompson? Meh.

      Reed is good, but the a perfect example of why spending anything higher than a 3rd round pick on a pure run stuffer isn’t getting good value. Just my opinion though.

      I’m gonna disagree on Naz and Carson. Seems like your hoping for player development which does happen in this league, but not ready to give it time?

      • Hawk Eye

        I never said Carson and Naz would not develop, but am saying that they will is no sure thing.
        Carson looks good, but why so few carries? And Naz flashed last year, but why did he not even play in the first game? Pete sees them every day, so hoping he has a reason.
        I have no problem with patience, but I am not sure that JSPC have made an honest assessment of the situation and think they are doing a reset and will still stay competitive. Does not look like the case which makes some moves look worse, like signing a bunch of JAGs and not getting comp pics for the guys who left.
        Nothing wrong with a rebuild, take 2 years and bring in a bunch of kids, but don’t fool yourself that it is not a rebuild or it will take a lot longer.
        I agree on Clark, he is not as good as his sack totals. Good, but not $13 mil/yr or more good.
        Thompson? probably a JAG, certainly not a HOF’r.

        • Volume12

          Oh I definitely think this could take longer than a year or so. Isn’t that what the majority of Hawks fans wanted?

          If Carson ends up JAG as a 7th round pick, that’s not bad at all.

          Yeah, no idea on Naz. Could be he’s dealing with something, could be a matchup thing, could be Pete wanting a new addition in Stephen’s to get more reps/familiarity with a pretty assignment sound D?

  21. Kenny Sloth

    Come on you old Ducks! Justin Herbert top ten pick! /s

  22. Largent80

    This season is like wiping your ass with 80 grit sandpaper.

    • SB~2013

      Well, you’re ass is going to be mighty raw for the next many years.

  23. SB~2013

    I think Rob’s right. This smells like a trade. What are the chances that Earl is out with no injury just before playing the 1 team trying to trade for him? Why keep it a secret that we are trading Earl to the Cowboys though? Can there be a deal already signed and delivered that we will trade Earl for a pick but the cowboys are saying ‘only if he doesn’t play against us on Sunday’? Weird deal if you ask me.

    Maybe the Cowboys are willing to do the trade now because their division isn’t looking so hot at the moment and they feel Earl might put them into contention for the division winner. If they go to the playoffs this year what will our draft picks from them look like?

    If we beat the Cowboys on Sunday and they go to 1-2 do they pull the deal?

    I think I saw somewhere that we will have over 60m in cap space next year. That is with Earl on the team. If we can get a 2nd and 5th or something for earl and have over 60m in CS I think this is the best we can hope for out of a terrible situation.

    Should we consider trading RW? He’s what..29-30 years old and the way his body is made up I think he could play for another 8 years or so. Do we really think we can get back to the SB with an aging QB who does his best work out of the pocket and on the run? Do we want to pay him 35m a year for the next 5 years while we try and rebuild?

    We literally need talent at every level on offense and defense. Maybe I’m in the minority but I just don’t see RW leading us back to the promised land without a top 3 defense. I love the guy and think he’s one of the most exciting QB’s in the league to watch but he is simply not good at getting rid of the ball and making his reads from the pocket enough of the time. I mean we just watched a rookie play in his first NFL game on Thursday without any 1st team reps and make quick reads from the pocket delivering the ball on target. Maybe we should think what the future could look like in a new non-RW era of Seahawk football. We will probably just keep losing with Russ for the next 5 or so years so this rant is just that…a rant.

    • Steffanator

      Finally somebody realizes Wilson is not what we all thought and hoped for.. Trade him too for what we can get, maybe someone 6′ 2″ or over who can read a defense and not throw the ball over a receiver or into the ground. Let’s start winning in the first quarter and not hope and wait for the 4th. Oh well I can only wish. Oh maybe if we lose enough games we’ll be able to draft higher and get a “player” quarterback.

      • Rob Staton

        Yeah let’s just go and get the next Tarvaris Jackson. Simple 🤦‍♂️

  24. Volume12

    Don’t sleep on ND’s Jerry Tillery.

    • Gohawks5151

      Consistently impressed with him

  25. C-Dog

    My sinking feeling is that the script is playing out something like this following.

    Phone call. John Schneider answers.

    John: Hi there. This is John. How can I help you?

    Jerry: John, this is Jerry Jones. Let’s make a deal.

    John: Okay.

    Jerry: Alright. I’m ready to meet closer towards your demands. I will offer you our first pick in 2019 for Earl straight up. For a 29 year old free safety, I think that is a pretty dog gone fair offer. I’m not offering a cent more.

    John: Okay. We can talk after Sunday.

    Jerry: Why do we need to wait until then? Let’s just deal.

    John: Yeah, I’m not trading Earl to you and then have to face him playing against us on Sunday during our home opener. Can’t do that to the 12s.

    Jerry: Okay. Fair enough. Tell you what. If you agree to a first for Earl now, and you agree that Pete won’t play him on Sunday. We can announce the deal Monday morning. What do you say, Boy?

    John: Hm. Let me put you on hold. (Puts Jerry on hold. Makes another call) Hey, Mr Allen. I got Jones on the line from Dallas. They are willing to give up their first. I don’t think we will get a better deal than this. (Pause) Yeah, I think we should, but the situation is that we don’t want to deal him before Sunday, and Jerry doesn’t want him playing for us on Sunday either. So, we’ll have to hold him out. (Pause) Cool, I’ll tell Pete. Go Hawks. (Back to Jerry Jones). Okay, Jerry. I think we have a deal. We will hold him out of practice and the game for you.

    Jerry: Well, I appreciate that, John. I truly do. Pleasure doing business with you. We’ll talk Sunday after the game. Go Hawks.

    Sunday, after the game, in a generic suburban parking lot. John paces until his phone rings. John fumbles to finally answer.

    John: Jerry, where are you? I’ve been waiting at the Wing Stop for over an hour.

    Jerry: Yeah, Bubba. I’m sorry about that. I’ve been fighting off a bit of this here cold and everything, and well, I decided to catch the team flight back to Dallas.

    John: Okay.

    Jerry: Say, Partner. I’ sorry to do this, but I’ve been having second thoughts about this whole trade for Earl thing. I think the first is a bit too rich for my blood. I think I’m going to pull out.

    John: What are you talking about? We had a deal. We held Earl out of the game, and everything.

    Jerry: Yeah, I’m sorry about that. I know Earl probably would have helped you folks win in front of your fans and everything. I know it probably sucks being 0-3 right now, people question gin all of your decisions, but I gotta think about the future of the ‘Boys. I don’t think I can do this here trade.

    John: How about a second and a fourth?

    Jerry: You know partner, you’re breaking up on me. I think we’re loosing this here connection. I’m going to say bye now. Bye now. Go Hawks.

    Jerry hangs up. Pause. John throws his cell phone to the ground and stomps on it.

    John: @#$%ing Jerry Jones.

    • Volume12

      Love this

    • Simo

      Hilarious!! Hopefully JS isn’t that much of a fool, and he gets something in writing from that Wiley ole Jones!!

    • Hawktalker#1

      This is well written, very funny and very disturbing, because it has at least some possibility to be real. I think it’s not likely because this is really over-the-top, but if anybody else read this the way that I did, your could almost hear Jerry the slime-ball taking John for a ride and it has a ring of possibility. However, if the rest of the owners ever got wind that Jerry did something this extreme to Seattle, it might be hard for him to ever do a descent trade with any of the other teams.

    • Sea Mode

      Haha, well played!

      Gotta watch out for sly ole Jerrah…

  26. Jerry

    And Eric Reid is still unsigned…..

  27. SB~2013

    Carroll didn’t go into details over what happened, and when asked about Thomas’ status for the Cowboys game, he said “we’ll see how he’s doing. Make sure he’s OK.” – fieldgulls

    So I guess we’re not trading earl…right? Because this statement would be an absolute baldfaced lie if a trade is happening. Couldn’t he have said – no comment. Why lie? I think Pete needs to go and let JS finally make the final decisions for once.

    • Hawktalker#1

      I think conversation regarding getting rid of Pete is in the same ballpark as trading Russ.

      First of all, these guys are not nearly as bad as some are are making them out to be. Secondly, you have to ask yourself, who better than these guys could I get? If the answer is no one, just need to drop it.

      Honestly all the fire Pete, fire, John trade Russ conversation is very tiresome and unproductive.

  28. Volume12

    Give me Georgia WR Mecole Hardman any day day of the week that ends in ‘Y’

    Just an exceptional talent. I’ll keep saying it. Angle changing speed is rare. I’ve only seen one guy do it, DeSean Jackson, drop a punt, let it bounce, pick it up and house it. Hardman don’t get tripped he does it too.

    EDGE D’Andre Walker is having himself a game as well.

  29. Volume12

    Ya’ll want a sleeper QB?

    Buffalo’s Tyree Jackson (6’6, 240 lbs.) Cam Newton esque and Patrick Mahomes type arm. He’s the real deal. Don’t be shocked to see him go very high.

    • C-Dog

      You’ve just brought up the QB that I like.

    • JimQ

      I’m watching the Kansas St – W. Virginia game this morning and W. Virginia *QB Will Greer* is continuing to impress me with his overall play. He may be a viable Heisman guy, but maybe he might be within reach of one of the Seahawks 2019 picks that they likely get for ET? Kid balls out in every game I’ve watched. Strong arm, very accurate, smart, poised, coaches son, and he can run a little. A hedge for the eventual loss of RW, potentially after next season???? If he keeps putting up great #’s, he might be too expensive but at a minimum, one to watch going forward-IMO. If RW somehow leaves after next year (a possibility), a good QB will be an absolutely necessity going forward, so contingency planning is very important for the future of the team.

      • Volume12

        I like Grier too.

    • Volume12

      Looks off the coverage, puts it right down the seam.

    • Hawk Eye

      I live across from Buffalo and get their radio stations.
      They love this kid, talk about him all the time.
      Of course, they don’t have a professional team to talk about…….


    Definitely a trade in the works. Otherwise Thomas would have a huge incentive to ball out against the Cowboys for a number of reasons least of all they being his preferred landing spot either via trade or free agency. If you read between the lines him sitting out of this game makes perfect sense to everyone involved to complete a trade early next week.

  31. Michael D Florin

    Coaches need to go to. Pete has worn out his usefulness to this team and needs to take Schottenheimer with him.

    • Rob Staton

      Let’s have a bit more respect for Pete.

    • Pran

      I would be patient and let Pete do what he wants this season. we can revisit at the end of year. if things does not work out either way its a tear down and there is no successor ready

  32. Volume12

    Man, Georgia CB DeAndre Baker is the definition of lockdown. Doesn’t appear to be the most athletic dude, but he has a great skill set.

    • Rob Staton

      Hmmm. Struggles to track the ball in the air, not the biggest, always left wanting more when I’ve watched him. Ended last season well but wasn’t blown away on initial viewing.

      • Volume12

        Blanked a really good receiver who he gives up 3-4 in. too in Emmanuel Hall today.

        I don’t think he’s as good as Greedy, Byron Murphy, or the kid down at Kentucky, but I dig his game a lot.

  33. Volume12

    Georgia RB Elijah Holyfield is the type of RB Seattle needs. His physicality and toughness is off the charts. Grown a** man right there.

    • Pickering

      With so few picks next year and so many holes to fill, if the ‘Hawks select RBs I hope they’re UDFAs.

      • Volume12

        They shoulda done that last year. Maybe they didn’t think there would be that much, but drafting a RB in round 1 with so many holes wasn’t the best decision.

        I agree with ya though, but if there’s talent and on day 3 get it. BPA, not ‘here comes round 5. We haven’t got a safety yet. Gotta take one here.’

        • red

          Teams can add a solid UFA RB for next to nothing after looking at otc after cams dead money 72 mil will be available. Spencer Ware, Tevin Coleman, Jay Ajayi could all be had for maybe 5mil APY. Draft DE DT WR CB FS for the next draft.

  34. Volume12

    ‘Bama DL Quinnen Williams might just be better than Raekwon Davis. Monster.

  35. Hawktalker#1

    The writing seems to be on the wall that ET is going to be traded to Dallas.

    My open question to the group is, what do you think we are going to get for him?

    My guess is a 2nd and a 5th. Yours?

    • Sea Mode

      I think that’s a pretty good guess and I’m not getting my hopes up for anything more than that. Maaaybe R2+R4.

      There could also be a swap of picks in the later rounds, but I think with only 4 picks to work with, JS will prefer to get some quantity back and so will not look to swap.

    • Simo

      Well, its a pipe dream to think we could get Dallas’ first next year. They aren’t one star FS away from super bowl contenders, but ET is certainly worth a first!! I would guess that 2nd rounder the Boyz were offering earlier is still on the table, and perhaps an additional sweetener, like a 6th!

      Let’s do something exciting though and trade ET and a 2019 3rd rounder for Demarcus Lawrence and a 5th!! Maybe we can get Dallas to throw in a competent offensive lineman, since they always seem to have an abundance of them, and we most certainly do not!!!

    • Coleslaw

      I think a trade is the most likely scenario. I could see a 1st for Dallas with mid round picks on our end. Or I could see a 2nd and a 3rd with late round picks on our end. I dont think we’re gonna be robbed. We’ve held out too long and need too much. We’ll make sure we get something valuable out of it, hopefully JS doesnt think that’s a 3rd lol

      • Rob Staton

        I think this a bit optimistic. I think at best it’d be a 2nd and a day three pick.

    • Aaron

      Dream scenario: Earl and 2019 4th for La’el Collins and 2019 2nd
      Realistic scenario: Earl for 2019 3rd

      If we get less than a 3rd for Earl then I’m gonna be livid!

    • Rob Staton

      2nd a 5th seems about right.

    • Simo

      It’s a pipe dream to think Dallas would offer a 1st for ET, especially since they are more than a star FS away from a strong super bowl contending team. He’s worth that much though!!

      I’d say that 2nd the Boyz were supposedly offering up is back on the table, with possibly a 6th round sweetener as well.

      We should really shake things up though, and offer ET plus a 3rd for Demarcus Lawrence and a 5th. Neither player is happy with their situation and we need pass rushers badly!!

    • Hawktalker#1

      Ok more confusing now. ET back at practice today and active for tomorrow’s game. Not sure what to make of that? If the trade was on and I’m Jerry, I sure wouldn’t even want ET practicing again until he was in Dallas.

      • SoCal12

        Is it that confusing? Can people not just admit that they jumped the gun on blowing up a drama bomb?

  36. Trevor

    It is unfair for the rest of CFB to have Tua at QB. They have been dominant for years without a QB and now they have the most dynamic QB in CFB.

    If the Hawks ever decide to move on from Russ he is my dream replacement. I think he is going to be a star.

    • Volume12

      And this is coming from someone who loves Raekwon Davis and think he’s a top 12 talent. Massive upside and one of my favorite players in this class, but right now he’s like the 3rd best D-lineman on his team behind Buggs and Williams.

      Williams has blown me away these past 2 weeks. A 288 lb NT that plugs the middle, pushes the pocket, and his get-off/quickness is unlike most of these ‘Bama D-lineman. Past and present.

  37. Kenny Sloth

    The Quack-lash is coming!!

    Time to take back our conference!

    • Kenny Sloth


    • Kenny Sloth

      There’re the Oregon *ucks I remember

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