Nice mock, Rob. All seems very plausible. Someone will definitely trade back up to the end of the first to get Hooker. That 5th year option is even more valuable with his injury. Someone will do just as the Vikings did with Bridgewater. That could certainly be Tennessee.
I’m not a fan of Tippman at #37, but I do like the player and the upside. I think there is more value at center from the third round on and would prefer to see us take Keeanu Benton there. I love Pickens as well and doubling him up with Benton would have us coming out the 2nd round with some impressive DL depth. If we chose to address the offense, Johnathon Mingo would be an excellent pick there as well.
But I wouldn’t cry over Tippman – good chance that he and Wypler are gone before our next pick in the third, so if the team has him atop the IOL board, go for it.
In all, appreciate the fact that you actually rationalize each pick with the needs and tendencies of each team, despite your focus on Seattle. It takes a ton of work to put together a realistic mock that passess the smell test with every franchise – appreciate you putting in the work.
Thank you. I’ve done a LOT of work on the other teams over the last three weeks so I really appreciate you saying this. I’ve studied forums, beat reporters, depth charts and needs. I won’t get everything right with other teams but I wanted to do the work on it.
That’s actually quite amazing Rob. It shows in your work though. Honestly, why hasn’t anyone picked up on your skills yet. At a minimum you should be the BBC’s NFL draft guru.
Peter
Dammit PJ….!!! I made this nearly exactly comment on youtube!!
Thing about tippman though, which for me makes this spot ideal to get him, is that he can play across the line and not just center. Donāt you think that raises his value?
His positional flexibility certainly raises Tippmann’s value. He moves very well for a guy his size and could be a foundational C/G for us for a long time.
I still feel that centers may fall a bit due the sheer amount of viable future starters at the position in this draft clas. I count 8 that I think could be starters in the NFL in the next year or two, four or five of them with Pro Bowl upside. So I would prioritize BPA with our first four picks, with a bias toward our DL and WR3 needs as a tiebreaker.
509 Chris
I think they’ve hedged well at the position so they can take a guy who might need to play guard for a season or whatever before he’s totally ready to make the calls. I don’t love moving the o line around too much but versatility is huge. I’d say no matter where they take a center this year I’m very optimistic about the state of the line going forward.
EIEIO
With the exception of AR, I’m not “excited” about this draft. With all due respect, it seems too much like previous Seahawks drafts where we get cute, and trade down, end up with an okay player, but miss out on someone special. With picks #5, 20, and 37 we need to end up with three BAMFs. Will McDonald is a good player, but do we need another bendy EDGE who is so-so against the run when we already have Darrell Taylor? We also have other EDGE players on the roster. Do we give up on Boye Mafe? Also, we have greater needs at DT, and, there’s some really good DTs we miss out on by trading down. A better fit and a better value would be had in players like Ade Ade, Keion White or maybe a WR, TE or OT. I like Pickens but he seems like a reach. I realize this is merely an exercise, but wouldn’t it be nice to see JS trade UP from spots like 37 or 52, instead of repeating what failed in prior years?
Well, if Brian Burns was in this draft, would we say we don’t need him because we have Darrell Taylor?
I appreciate there’s no guarantee McDonald reaches that level. But McDonald bends the arc better than any EDGE I can recall in the last few years.
He’s also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so it’s not really a comp
You don’t have to give up on Mafe either. Nwosu has one year on his deal. Taylor might not be long-term. You need depth and a rotation anyway.
I don’t understand which DT’s we’d be that sad to miss out on that are that much better than Pickens
I grade McDonald higher than Ade Ade, White, all the WR’s and why would we take a tackle?
KD
My only knock on McDonald is that he pretty much has to play standing up on every snap. When he plays with his hand on the ground he can get bullied about, and just isn’t very good against the run in that situation. As a stand up pass rusher, he comes screaming off the edge like a fighter jet and can be an absolute terror and distruptor which is why I like him so much in that role.
EIEIO
The comment about Burns is irrelevant because he’s not in this draft and I could say something similar about another active player.
It’s not the players selected I took exception to, it’s the approach. With respect, it kinda reminded me of past, less than optimal JS/PC drafts that left us wanting more. For example, I really like McDonald and if he fell to us at 37 or were available in the early-mid 30’s and we traded UP to get him, I would love it. Kind of like Abe Lucas last year.
“Heās also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so itās not really a comp”
McDonald does comp because he plays that same position and would take snaps away from probably Taylor and/or Mafe. No question McDonald would seem to improve that position. Yes, Nwosu is on his final year, hopefully we resign him. But again, there are no guarantees and I understand this is a mock exercise.
FWIW, I do prefer a BPA approach to the degree we are also prioritizing positions of need, and I think that’s how JS operates based on his comments in various forums. DT is a huge need, arguably more so than Edge. We basically have three players, Jones, Reed and Myles Adams. Mone is very questionable. There’s little cap money to spend on FAs so we need to draft some potential BAMFs. Both Ade and White could be that in a couple years (like Q. Williams), maybe Mazi, too.
You have McDonald rated higher than Ade and White. Okay, I can bite on that. But they are all in a similar strata (late 1st/early 2nd) and DT is more a position of need.
I get the question about OT. I almost did not include that position. My point was adding players who could make us more dangerous. If Darnell Wright were available at 20-ish it might truly create a fearful Oline with him or Lucas at OG and adding a Center. WR and TE have a lot of value at 20-ish, too.
Please don’t take this as a personal criticism, because I truly appreciate the quality of your analysis and respect the amazing amount of effort you put into SDB. I do. Usually I’m in pretty much total agreement with your picks. This time…I just think you’ve had better mocks.
The comment about Burns is irrelevant because heās not in this draft and I could say something similar about another active player.
It’s not irrelevant at all. You claimed they didn’t need that type of player because they have Darrell Taylor. Me highlighting that it means nothing if a good player is available addresses that.
Itās not the players selected I took exception to, itās the approach. With respect, it kinda reminded me of past, less than optimal JS/PC drafts that left us wanting more. For example, I really like McDonald and if he fell to us at 37 or were available in the early-mid 30ās and we traded UP to get him, I would love it. Kind of like Abe Lucas last year.
So you’d be happy with McDonald at 37 but not 27
And them taking him 10 whole picks earlier means they are repeating past mistakes?
āHeās also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so itās not really a compā
McDonald does comp because he plays that same position and would take snaps away from probably Taylor and/or Mafe. No question McDonald would seem to improve that position. Yes, Nwosu is on his final year, hopefully we resign him. But again, there are no guarantees and I understand this is a mock exercise.
Taylor is a carry over from the old scheme. He might not be for long in Seattle.
They are going to draft another edge. Possibly at #5. So not sure why we’re going down this route.
You have McDonald rated higher than Ade and White. Okay, I can bite on that. But they are all in a similar strata (late 1st/early 2nd) and DT is more a position of need.
So you want to force needs? I thought you didn’t want them to repeat past mistakes?
Please donāt take this as a personal criticism
I never do. I prefer robust debate.
EIEIO
“You claimed they didnāt need that type of player…” I don’t know how you attribute those words to me. You are putting words in my mouth.
I never said we don’t need that type of player (Burns). I was saying that your bringing Brian Burns into the equation is a straw man argument and is thus irrelevant. We know what Burns is now, but if he were in the 2023 draft we would know no more about his future than we do about McDonald today.
In response to my comment that drafting McDonald, in effect replicates Darrell Taylor, you commented, āHeās (McDonald) also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so itās not really a compā But then you go on to compare McDonald favorably to Burns.
You can’t have it both ways and say McDonald to Taylor is no comp because 20-lbs, but McDonald to Burns is a comp. BTW, Burns is 6′-5″, 250-lbs. Will McDonald is 6′-3″, 235. Burns was drafted at #16; McDonald is borderline 1st rd.
“So youād be happy with McDonald at 37 but not 27…”
Absolutely. Ten picks at the top of the draft is significant delta value.
“And them taking him 10 whole picks earlier means they are repeating past mistakes?”
Yes, it could be… right up there with Brooks, Collier and Penny…and Ifedi.
“Taylor is a carry over from the old scheme. He might not be for long in Seattle.”
I’m glad you brought this up because you could say that about numerous players. In fact, we jettisoned most of our DL because of the perceived need to get players better profiled to the new scheme (Jones, Reed, tried to get Kelly). What better argument that JS/PC would probably draft DT before Edge at 20-ish (everything being equal). Even the argument for Anderson at #5 would be tenuous were Carter a viable option from a character/love the game viewpoint.
“They are going to draft another edge. Possibly at #5. So not sure why weāre going down this route.”
Yes, we may well draft another Edge, but drafting Will Anderson, arguably the best defensive player in the draft at #5 is totally different than McDonald at #27.
We’re going down this route because you took exception to my contention that selecting McDonald at #27 after trading down from #20 was reminiscent of past drafts (see Brooks, Collier and Penny…and Ifedi). There are so many better players and better for our roster needs players at #20.
“So you want to force needs? I thought you didnāt want them to repeat past mistakes?”
Maybe you could explain how selecting someone other than McDonald means forcing needs, especially if the player is worthy of the pick and if it brings more value to the team. Are you saying if we were to select Bijan Robinson, Josh Downs or Mayer, were they available, it would be a mistake or forcing a need? Your own horizontal board has Ade and Kancey, as well as Downs, at the same strata as McDonald, and Keion White is just a notch lower. DT is a position of need, yes. But, why would it be a mistake to thus prioritize DT (or WR or TE) over Edge, when the DT (or WR and TE) players have equal or higher rankings?
So, no… I do not see any of my suggestions as forcing a need or repeating mistakes of the past.
What I was trying to convey was that I hope to see a draft that has some “Pop!”, some aggressiveness and decisiveness. One that is more in line with the 2022 draft. The example I used from that draft was that of Abe Lucas, but I could’ve pointed to Tariq or KW3, as well. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments. That’s what makes this blog so unique. Again, I apologize for my inadequacies in communicating this message.
āYou claimed they didnāt need that type of playerā¦ā I donāt know how you attribute those words to me. You are putting words in my mouth.
You literally said this:
“Will McDonald is a good player, but do we need another bendy EDGE who is so-so against the run when we already have Darrell Taylor?”
How on earth am I putting words in your mouth?
I never said we donāt need that type of player (Burns). I was saying that your bringing Brian Burns into the equation is a straw man argument and is thus irrelevant. We know what Burns is now, but if he were in the 2023 draft we would know no more about his future than we do about McDonald today.
It’s not a strawman at all. You said we don’t need another bendy edge rusher. I said if Brian Burns was in this draft, we wouldn’t be saying anything about whether we need him or not. We would take him. Thus, if you like another ‘bendy edge rusher’ in this draft, having Darrell Taylor on the roster means nothing. You’re taking them. They might take a pass rusher at #5 for christ’s sake in Will Anderson. So taking one at #20 or #37 or somewhere in-between is neither here nor there.
Not sure why you’re labouring this point.
In response to my comment that drafting McDonald, in effect replicates Darrell Taylor, you commented, āHeās (McDonald) also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so itās not really a compā But then you go on to compare McDonald favorably to Burns.
You canāt have it both ways and say McDonald to Taylor is no comp because 20-lbs, but McDonald to Burns is a comp. BTW, Burns is 6ā²-5ā³, 250-lbs. Will McDonald is 6ā²-3ā³, 235. Burns was drafted at #16; McDonald is borderline 1st rd.
Will McDonald was 241lbs at the Senior Bowl. He was violently sick at the combine and lost weight and was still 239lbs. At his pro-day, he weighed-in at 245lbs.
He’s never been 235lbs.
At his combine, Brian Burns was 249lbs. So 4lbs heavier than McDonald — including the inevitable combine chugging of water (which you can’t do at pro-day because you workout on the same day).
Let’s at least get the facts right.
āSo youād be happy with McDonald at 37 but not 27ā¦ā
Absolutely. Ten picks at the top of the draft is significant delta value.
If you’re going to quibble over being happy to take a player at 37 but not at 27, I’d say that is baffling beyond belief.
āAnd them taking him 10 whole picks earlier means they are repeating past mistakes?ā
Yes, it could beā¦ right up there with Brooks, Collier and Pennyā¦and Ifedi.
Their problem was never ‘taking a player 10 picks early’
It was taking the wrong player full stop.
āTaylor is a carry over from the old scheme. He might not be for long in Seattle.ā
Iām glad you brought this up because you could say that about numerous players. In fact, we jettisoned most of our DL because of the perceived need to get players better profiled to the new scheme (Jones, Reed, tried to get Kelly). What better argument that JS/PC would probably draft DT before Edge at 20-ish (everything being equal). Even the argument for Anderson at #5 would be tenuous were Carter a viable option from a character/love the game viewpoint.
So I say Taylor might not be a scheme fit.
You point out they’ve release a load of other players that weren’t scheme fits.
And you then try and use that to explain why… they have to take a defensive tackle rather than add an edge rusher to replace a guy who might not fit? When in my projection, they do both anyway??
Sorry but to me you’re just doing the same thing as all the people who refuse to accept they might consider a QB at #5. You’ve got your preferences on certain positions and you’re being stubborn about it.
āThey are going to draft another edge. Possibly at #5. So not sure why weāre going down this route.ā
Yes, we may well draft another Edge, but drafting Will Anderson, arguably the best defensive player in the draft at #5 is totally different than McDonald at #27.
Ah yes, because McDonald at #37 is a good pick but god forbid they take him at #27.
I think it’s time to move on tbh.
AlaskaHawk
My feeling about trading down from #20 was that sinking feeling of seeing other good defensive players picked and then wondering if the player they want will even be available. I don’t know, I want the extra picks but at the end of the third round? Kind of late for those impact players but there is always hope that you will find a later round guy. Anyway, if the Seahawks trade down I hope “their” guy is still there.
Niro
I really like this draft. AR just makes me happy and as I mentioned before I am totally on board with a C if that’s who they want. Get a sick O-line and kick ass. The DL picks are nice and can really help
Really appreciate your effort and all the great content this time of year. I like this draft, especially Richardson..
When will your final mock be and will there be at least one more before then?
2011 post draft regarding Dalton and the QB class.
“We debated with Andy Dalton, there’s no question about it,” Seahawks general manager John Schneider said Wednesday on KIRO-AM. “But I think we all felt like we were at a point in our development where we couldn’t pass on a starting tackle right now.”
“Quite honestly, we’d like to have a guy, especially a rookie (quarterback), be more of a developmental type and a guy more like Aaron Rodgers and sit for a year or two,” said Schneider, who added that he believes Dalton could play right away. “So that was really the only point in the draft where there was a guy where we were like, ‘There he is, that’s a very viable option.’ Quite honestly, we just had guys throughout the board that just didn’t make sense as we went down comparing them to other positions.”
Throughout the rest of the draft, there wasn’t another guy staring us right in the face where we’re like, ‘OK, let’s go do it right now, this is our guy’ in comparison to the other players at different positions that we went with,” Schneider said.
2012 Predraft on Tannehille
āThe guy was a quarterback in high school, just a football player. First and foremost, that’s what we’re looking for. Especially at that position. Guys that have always been in the quarterback schools, the special camps, and all that kind of stuff — they make me a little nervous to a certain extent. This guy is a real football player. He played defense. You could see him last year when he stepped in, he just went out and played. He had this natural toughness about him that the players really rallied around and went on a winning streak. And he did a great job.ā
Food for thought since weāve been getting so much Schneider talk on 710.
Malanch
Salient callback, Ben.
John Schneider talks about how his draft process has evolved over the years as he’s applied lessons learned, but he also reminds us that a GM is hired for his core philosophyāand this must not change. Fast-forwarding to today, it couldn’t be more obvious that he has deliberately set things up to make room for another “developmental type” who could “sit for a year or two.” To wit, his QB two-deep is more or less already set, and that third QB slot could be accounted for by emphasizing positional versatility when filling out his roster (e.g., going with only eight OLs, several of whom play a second position, and a couple who can swing left or right).
Assuming (1) Schneider’s core philosophy (which must not change) includes a preference for developing high-ceiling quarterbacks over the course of one to two years (ala Aaron Rodgers), and (2) owning the #5 pick ideally positions the Seahawks to get that developmental high-ceiling quarterback in the 2023 draft, which of this year’s QB prospects stands out as the perfect match? Note that the team is going all-out with its pre-draft hype, using the mainstream media plus seahawks.com to advertise this “Historic 2023 Draft” celebration they’ll be hosting at the friggin’ Space Needle, which tells me: They plan to go big.
Michael Lombardi in this video says Chris Ballard’s QB order is probably Levis, Stroud, Richardson (then he suggested it could be Levis, Richardson, Stroud).
I don’t know if there is anything to this but I’ve read on a couple of forums that Lukas Van Ness played out of position and that was the main reason for his underwhelming stats. I remember when JJ Watt came out of Wisconsin that he looked good but nothing like the all-time game wrecker that he became.
Brilliant mock Rob. Having Pitt trade up for Carter was something I’ve not heard yet and it makes perfect sense. Pickins for Seattle – team captain/MVP, great Sr.Bowl, team centric, moves across the line, never missed and started 32 straight games.
“A five-star recruit out of high school, Pickens was the No. 1 defensive tackle in the 2019 recruiting class (ahead of DeMarvin Leal and Travon Walker) and the No. 1
recruit in South Carolina (one spot ahead of Gamecocksā teammate Cam Smith).”
Thanks for your efforts!
Mr drucker in hooterville
I aapreciate that Rob mocks based on what is likely to happen. Not on what he woukd do. And he pivots. For instance, centers.
I agree 100% with the Jahmyr Gibbs pick by Dallas, but my gut says they would love to jump up to #9 and poach Jalen Carter away from the Eagles.
Dallas’ GM doesn’t have to explain the investment to Dallas’ owner. They’re pretty tight, even if they do work against each others’ interests at times.
They can get Discount Gibbs in Kenny McIntosh later though.
And what better way to keep Dan Quinn interested in being HC-In-Waiting but to give him an all-world talent project at DT to mash through the Eagles’ OL?
I just think Jerry has a sole focus this off-season — be more explosive on offense. It’s the be-all and end-all for him. Their offense was so boring at the end of last season and it cost them. He knows he has to prop-up Dak.
That’ll be expensive if he goes in the top-10, as I expect
Can’t imagine a team going up 20 spots to take a RB given what it’d cost
D
Very interesting video. Super interesting hearing the needs and motivations for the other teams in the 20-45 which seems to be the meat of the draft.
Personally I love the Seahawks position. A great player will be available there.
Steve Nelsen
I know it is my confidence bias speaking butā¦I am 100% in on Anthony Richardson at 5. I think he is an MVP-level talent. I will be disappointed if he is drafted by another team before 5. And I will be totally gutted if he is there at 5 and Seattle doesnāt pick him.
I have ideas for 20 and Day 2 and Day 3 but if they get AR, I will probably just chill and enjoy the rest of the draft. There are so many approaches they could use that make sense and multiple players that could fit into each of those approaches. I do have a list of favorite prospects and I will celebrate each one that becomes a Seahawk:
Ade Ade – athletic, Senior Bowl standout
Josh Downs – I hate comps but his maturity reminds me so much of Tyler Lockett
Bryce Ford/Wheaton – rare 6-4 athletic project like DK Metcalf and Tariq Woolen
Julius Brents – Athletic Senior Bowl standout, great SDB interview, longest CB wingspan ever recorded
Darius Rush – tall, long, fast Senior Bowl standout
Whoever Steve Hutchinson endorses at C/G
Daiyan Henley – mobile ILB that can cover the pass, Day 3 steal
JL Skinner – big, violent safety who could replace Adams in 2024
Evan Hull – Day 3 RB, Senior Bowl standout, can run and catch
BK26
I’m with you, I’ve hitched my hopes for the team for years on whether or not they take Richardson. Not the greatest idea, especially for my sanity and blood pressure, but eh, it’s too late now.
Also agree, with RIchardson, I’ll coast the rest of the draft. I was pretty pissed last year when they took Cross and almost turned the draft off. Then they had my favorite, most complete draft afterwards. You never know (still hinges on getting a quarterback for me).
Rob, as always, thank you for the amazing draft coverage! My favourite thing about your site is the consistent, rational arguments that you make which set the tone for the rest of this community. The discussions are far more interesting to me than the simple emotions of fans.
I think one of the key things that most people forget about the qb position is that there is not a more important position in sports that so greatly affects the success of a team. Taking a chance on an all-time physical talent with great intangibles, a great backstory and, reportedly, a high S2 result is a good calculated risk. If Will Anderson is there then happy day! Don’t tell me that anyone in this blog would have been unhappy with the prospect of Will Anderson at the end of the 2021/2022 season.
I also think that most people forget there are rarely perfect prospects but even when there are they can be totally fucked up by the organization that drafts them – Indy & Andrew Luck – possibly Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence. On the other side, a good organization with a good plan can turn potential into something special. Seattle has had success with developing cornerbacks and quarterbacks most notably. Dline, not so much. Possibly the new pass rush coach will help.
Malanch
“(Lukas Van Ness) didn’t start at Iowa, and I want to know why.” āRob
Chris Simms says he asked one of the Iowa coaches about that, and he was told that it was purely due to program tradition, whereby seniors (depth chart allowing) start the first series or two as a reward for time in service. Are you buying this? It sounds a bit too convenient to me, but then I could understand that kind of tradition, too. Simms obviously buys it, because he has Van Ness as the #2 DL in the draft.
Football teams play to win, not be a charity for snaps
Malanch
Indeed, indeed. And of course, an ex-player like Simms would know this, too. Not sure what he’s doing putting this out on a major network TV show. It’s not like talking head disinfo sways teams one way or another. I do appreciate that he’s not worried about going against the grain, but this take just seems dumb.
Glor
I donāt know about simms, but I get the feeling florio is always trying to pump up certain players.
BK26
100% a completely stupid statement. I’m a Hawkeye fan. They got Epenesa in immediately when he first came to campus (rotated him the same). Iowa rotates their line to keep the guys fresh. They are always very deep on the defensive line. It just tends to be upperclassmen because they are all low-level recruits and have to bust their asses to get to play.
That is why they are always sound: they have to be able to play the position well down to the fundamentals. They don’t get very many freak athletes. I don’t know who Simms talked to, but it wasn’t anyone legit at Iowa. What a dumb statement (and I know that you are just relaying it, nothing bad meant to you at all). Simms is losing what little credibility left that I thought that he had left.
Malanch
What are your thoughts on Lukas Van Ness, BK?
I don’t know about you, but when I was in college, I knew far more about the players at my school than the players at other schools, and therefore I was far more critical of them (tending to focus on their limitations). When fellow alums did go on to have good NFL careers, I was usually surprised. Of course, some people see it the other way around. Either way, I’d be curious what you might have to say about Van Ness. Boy, does he look the part.
BK26
Hopefully you still see this. I think he will be easily solid, borderline good. Chance of some higher upside, but not immediately
I definitely didn’t expect him to be a first round pick. More late 2nd, early 3rd. But his testing was much better than I thought. I expect him to play for 10 years or so, but that is the norm for Iowa. They are always solid, technically sound, might not be the best talent, but someone who has a good career.
Jordan
I imagine that comparing snap counts between Van Ness and the defensive linemen who played the first snap of the game would tell us if it is something or nothing. PFF has Van Ness as playing the most snaps as any edge on Iowa last season; just not the first snap.
Malanch
Yeah, I tried to find his snap count before posting my question, but only managed to dig up generic stats. His production does seem pretty dang solid for a player in a high-rotation system. And that length: sheesh. If there’s any way he falls to #20…
Glor
First, I love these video/live mock formats, you know so much about the players and all the team needs that it really makes it interesting.
Second, we have seen the hawks move up a few times (locket, etc) – you had some first round talent falling into reach if we were willing to move up either at 53, or from the third back into the second. Can you see that happening?
Trading back in the first, getting similar value a few picks down, and adding stock to move up and take a falling player.
Glor
Seeing Jones go to the Steelers 5 picks above our 53, I was just thinking how our online could look if we moved ahead of them to snag that pick
Malanch
Brock Huard suspects that Dawand Jones dropped out of Senior Bowl week and limited his combine and pro day involvement due to a medical flag.
Gaux Hawks
Having an extra R3 would be great, but if McDonald is on the board at 20 pounce on itā¦ then cross your fingers that Ade last to 37 (not a knock on Pickens).
Glor
I know this would probably never happen, but for you old people who remember BBS wars, I would love for Rob to arrange a mock draft with all 31 teams version of Rob. You could even do it with an email chain, whomever covers the panthers starts and then emails the pick to number 2 etc. Or even more unrealistic, get you all on a live stream. It would be fun to see each teams ārepā making the pick and having to convince the other teams to trade, etc
Chavac
Do you see any ranges where the talent drops off quickly? Or does this year seem a bit more gradual than usual?
I was also wondering about safety, do we try to fill that hole this year seeing as a lot of cap can be freed up next year at the position.. or just wait for next year FA/draft to worry about it.. there were some great deals at the position in FA this year
Dubb
Nice mock, Rob. I think McDonald is a good player, but I just think that a pure nose tackle is a higher priority than another edge. From what Iām reading interior pressure is valued higher than edge pressure. Someone like Mazi has similar traits as Haloti Ngata (6ā4ā, 340 lbs) and Phil Taylor (6ā3″, 335 lbs). Not saying he will be that good; but he could occupy a center and guard to keep Bush and Wagner clean. Also it will keep Reed and Jones 1 on 1 with the OTās.
Canāt wait to see your final mock. I see you have a high ranking for accuracy over the past 5 years. Good luck this year.
One thing to consider though with nose tackle is how Schneider recently declared they feel comfortable plugging anyone into that spot. Basically if you anchored in college you can probably do it for early downs in the NFL. That’s what he said, anyway.
Chris
Unfortunately, the quality of our run game might contradict if that is actually true.
Our nose last year was our best performing D-liner and the running game still sucked
geoff u
ooks like we got a contradiction at center that needs compromising. So we’ve got A.) Center needs to be the twitchyiest, most agile, lineman. B) Pete sayings we want a shorter center for leverage purposes.
A= Tippman
B= Schmitz/Wypler
Which takes precedence? How’s Tippman do with leverage? Good as Schmitz/Wypler? At the end of the day it may come down to mental make up, but since we don’t have access to that info, my bets on the athleticism of Tippman. And Evan Brown will probably start at center anyway, so Tippman is most likely best able to play guard in the meantime? If need be?
Tippmann can definitely slot in at guard and I think that would be the plan. Let him adjust to the NFL and learn the protection calls before he takes over at center.
It’s aways possible he blows people away in camp and earns the starting C job right from the start, but I would guess that’s unlikely. And if Brown proves to be better than expected and really nails down our center position next season, having a big, athletic rookie guard is still very useful.
Geoff u
Exactly, Tippmann makes a lot of sense. And apologies if he reads this blog for spelling his name wrong š
Blitzy the Clown
Corbin K. Smith @CorbinSmithNFL
Devin Witherspoon visited with #Seahawks in person and since he’s not a local prospect, it has to be a top-30 visit. So add him to your list.
11:10 AM Ā· Apr 16, 2023
There’s virtually no way Seattle take Witherspoon at 5. And he won’t be available at 20. So this feels a lot like an indulgence visit — someone Pete really wanted to talk to. I could believe they’re also very interested in his teammate Sidney Brown so maybe it’s some of that too
Well, if they’re absolutely determined to go defense and let’s say Anderson/Wilson go #2 and #3 — I wouldn’t rule it out
I know one person who is convinced they’re taking a defender at #5
I also think Witherspoon has a bit of an odd personality. Not a great talker, awkward. So wouldn’t be surprised at all if they just want to get to know him better.
We can’t even trade back anymore with the idea of grabbing Witherspoon a few picks later. I think Rob’s correct that Detroit will be all over him at #6 particularly now that they’ve traded Okudah.
I love the guy, but a lot of weird things would have to happen for him to be BPA at #5. Like having 2 of these 4 QBs off your board.
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WOW: If the Seahawks were able to land: Richardson, McDonald, Tippmann, Pickens. In it self that would be quite a haul. Then the Hawks in the third round could go BPA choice of running back, wide receiver or tight end. Or the Hawks could even go safety. Just keep going BPA.
Talent over need.
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Love the draft, great video. Best draft content out there bar none.
I was looking at the last horizontal board and I couldnāt recall, what does it mean when the playerās name is in red?
If they love one of the centers Iām fine with trading back a bit from 20 then snagging him. I think a solid consistent center that knows the QB and the system is more valuable than most people think.
Looking at the edge class and say there are a lot of later round guys that have similar traits and question marks as some of the top of the class. Since thereās no Bosa/Garrett type Iād much rather snag a couple edges in the 3-5 round range than take a shot at a late first early second guy who still has a low floor.
I did hear an interesting discussion of Ade Ade as similar to Kancey. Testing was actually pretty similar but without the big length questions.
Rob, you are simply the best and I am so grateful for you, we all are here on SDB!
It’s only a matter of time before your talents explode onto the national scene.
Thank you for all that you do!!!
Your work has never been better. Stay true to what you believe Rob.
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Nice mock, Rob. All seems very plausible. Someone will definitely trade back up to the end of the first to get Hooker. That 5th year option is even more valuable with his injury. Someone will do just as the Vikings did with Bridgewater. That could certainly be Tennessee.
I’m not a fan of Tippman at #37, but I do like the player and the upside. I think there is more value at center from the third round on and would prefer to see us take Keeanu Benton there. I love Pickens as well and doubling him up with Benton would have us coming out the 2nd round with some impressive DL depth. If we chose to address the offense, Johnathon Mingo would be an excellent pick there as well.
But I wouldn’t cry over Tippman – good chance that he and Wypler are gone before our next pick in the third, so if the team has him atop the IOL board, go for it.
In all, appreciate the fact that you actually rationalize each pick with the needs and tendencies of each team, despite your focus on Seattle. It takes a ton of work to put together a realistic mock that passess the smell test with every franchise – appreciate you putting in the work.
Thank you. I’ve done a LOT of work on the other teams over the last three weeks so I really appreciate you saying this. I’ve studied forums, beat reporters, depth charts and needs. I won’t get everything right with other teams but I wanted to do the work on it.
That’s actually quite amazing Rob. It shows in your work though. Honestly, why hasn’t anyone picked up on your skills yet. At a minimum you should be the BBC’s NFL draft guru.
Dammit PJ….!!! I made this nearly exactly comment on youtube!!
Appreciate you both š
Great minds and all that.
Thing about tippman though, which for me makes this spot ideal to get him, is that he can play across the line and not just center. Donāt you think that raises his value?
His positional flexibility certainly raises Tippmann’s value. He moves very well for a guy his size and could be a foundational C/G for us for a long time.
I still feel that centers may fall a bit due the sheer amount of viable future starters at the position in this draft clas. I count 8 that I think could be starters in the NFL in the next year or two, four or five of them with Pro Bowl upside. So I would prioritize BPA with our first four picks, with a bias toward our DL and WR3 needs as a tiebreaker.
I think they’ve hedged well at the position so they can take a guy who might need to play guard for a season or whatever before he’s totally ready to make the calls. I don’t love moving the o line around too much but versatility is huge. I’d say no matter where they take a center this year I’m very optimistic about the state of the line going forward.
With the exception of AR, I’m not “excited” about this draft. With all due respect, it seems too much like previous Seahawks drafts where we get cute, and trade down, end up with an okay player, but miss out on someone special. With picks #5, 20, and 37 we need to end up with three BAMFs. Will McDonald is a good player, but do we need another bendy EDGE who is so-so against the run when we already have Darrell Taylor? We also have other EDGE players on the roster. Do we give up on Boye Mafe? Also, we have greater needs at DT, and, there’s some really good DTs we miss out on by trading down. A better fit and a better value would be had in players like Ade Ade, Keion White or maybe a WR, TE or OT. I like Pickens but he seems like a reach. I realize this is merely an exercise, but wouldn’t it be nice to see JS trade UP from spots like 37 or 52, instead of repeating what failed in prior years?
Well, if Brian Burns was in this draft, would we say we don’t need him because we have Darrell Taylor?
I appreciate there’s no guarantee McDonald reaches that level. But McDonald bends the arc better than any EDGE I can recall in the last few years.
He’s also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so it’s not really a comp
You don’t have to give up on Mafe either. Nwosu has one year on his deal. Taylor might not be long-term. You need depth and a rotation anyway.
I don’t understand which DT’s we’d be that sad to miss out on that are that much better than Pickens
I grade McDonald higher than Ade Ade, White, all the WR’s and why would we take a tackle?
My only knock on McDonald is that he pretty much has to play standing up on every snap. When he plays with his hand on the ground he can get bullied about, and just isn’t very good against the run in that situation. As a stand up pass rusher, he comes screaming off the edge like a fighter jet and can be an absolute terror and distruptor which is why I like him so much in that role.
The comment about Burns is irrelevant because he’s not in this draft and I could say something similar about another active player.
It’s not the players selected I took exception to, it’s the approach. With respect, it kinda reminded me of past, less than optimal JS/PC drafts that left us wanting more. For example, I really like McDonald and if he fell to us at 37 or were available in the early-mid 30’s and we traded UP to get him, I would love it. Kind of like Abe Lucas last year.
“Heās also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so itās not really a comp”
McDonald does comp because he plays that same position and would take snaps away from probably Taylor and/or Mafe. No question McDonald would seem to improve that position. Yes, Nwosu is on his final year, hopefully we resign him. But again, there are no guarantees and I understand this is a mock exercise.
FWIW, I do prefer a BPA approach to the degree we are also prioritizing positions of need, and I think that’s how JS operates based on his comments in various forums. DT is a huge need, arguably more so than Edge. We basically have three players, Jones, Reed and Myles Adams. Mone is very questionable. There’s little cap money to spend on FAs so we need to draft some potential BAMFs. Both Ade and White could be that in a couple years (like Q. Williams), maybe Mazi, too.
You have McDonald rated higher than Ade and White. Okay, I can bite on that. But they are all in a similar strata (late 1st/early 2nd) and DT is more a position of need.
I get the question about OT. I almost did not include that position. My point was adding players who could make us more dangerous. If Darnell Wright were available at 20-ish it might truly create a fearful Oline with him or Lucas at OG and adding a Center. WR and TE have a lot of value at 20-ish, too.
Please don’t take this as a personal criticism, because I truly appreciate the quality of your analysis and respect the amazing amount of effort you put into SDB. I do. Usually I’m in pretty much total agreement with your picks. This time…I just think you’ve had better mocks.
It’s not irrelevant at all. You claimed they didn’t need that type of player because they have Darrell Taylor. Me highlighting that it means nothing if a good player is available addresses that.
So you’d be happy with McDonald at 37 but not 27
And them taking him 10 whole picks earlier means they are repeating past mistakes?
Taylor is a carry over from the old scheme. He might not be for long in Seattle.
They are going to draft another edge. Possibly at #5. So not sure why we’re going down this route.
So you want to force needs? I thought you didn’t want them to repeat past mistakes?
I never do. I prefer robust debate.
“You claimed they didnāt need that type of player…” I don’t know how you attribute those words to me. You are putting words in my mouth.
I never said we don’t need that type of player (Burns). I was saying that your bringing Brian Burns into the equation is a straw man argument and is thus irrelevant. We know what Burns is now, but if he were in the 2023 draft we would know no more about his future than we do about McDonald today.
In response to my comment that drafting McDonald, in effect replicates Darrell Taylor, you commented, āHeās (McDonald) also +20lbs lighter than Taylor so itās not really a compā But then you go on to compare McDonald favorably to Burns.
You can’t have it both ways and say McDonald to Taylor is no comp because 20-lbs, but McDonald to Burns is a comp. BTW, Burns is 6′-5″, 250-lbs. Will McDonald is 6′-3″, 235. Burns was drafted at #16; McDonald is borderline 1st rd.
“So youād be happy with McDonald at 37 but not 27…”
Absolutely. Ten picks at the top of the draft is significant delta value.
“And them taking him 10 whole picks earlier means they are repeating past mistakes?”
Yes, it could be… right up there with Brooks, Collier and Penny…and Ifedi.
“Taylor is a carry over from the old scheme. He might not be for long in Seattle.”
I’m glad you brought this up because you could say that about numerous players. In fact, we jettisoned most of our DL because of the perceived need to get players better profiled to the new scheme (Jones, Reed, tried to get Kelly). What better argument that JS/PC would probably draft DT before Edge at 20-ish (everything being equal). Even the argument for Anderson at #5 would be tenuous were Carter a viable option from a character/love the game viewpoint.
“They are going to draft another edge. Possibly at #5. So not sure why weāre going down this route.”
Yes, we may well draft another Edge, but drafting Will Anderson, arguably the best defensive player in the draft at #5 is totally different than McDonald at #27.
We’re going down this route because you took exception to my contention that selecting McDonald at #27 after trading down from #20 was reminiscent of past drafts (see Brooks, Collier and Penny…and Ifedi). There are so many better players and better for our roster needs players at #20.
“So you want to force needs? I thought you didnāt want them to repeat past mistakes?”
Maybe you could explain how selecting someone other than McDonald means forcing needs, especially if the player is worthy of the pick and if it brings more value to the team. Are you saying if we were to select Bijan Robinson, Josh Downs or Mayer, were they available, it would be a mistake or forcing a need? Your own horizontal board has Ade and Kancey, as well as Downs, at the same strata as McDonald, and Keion White is just a notch lower. DT is a position of need, yes. But, why would it be a mistake to thus prioritize DT (or WR or TE) over Edge, when the DT (or WR and TE) players have equal or higher rankings?
So, no… I do not see any of my suggestions as forcing a need or repeating mistakes of the past.
What I was trying to convey was that I hope to see a draft that has some “Pop!”, some aggressiveness and decisiveness. One that is more in line with the 2022 draft. The example I used from that draft was that of Abe Lucas, but I could’ve pointed to Tariq or KW3, as well. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comments. That’s what makes this blog so unique. Again, I apologize for my inadequacies in communicating this message.
You literally said this:
“Will McDonald is a good player, but do we need another bendy EDGE who is so-so against the run when we already have Darrell Taylor?”
How on earth am I putting words in your mouth?
It’s not a strawman at all. You said we don’t need another bendy edge rusher. I said if Brian Burns was in this draft, we wouldn’t be saying anything about whether we need him or not. We would take him. Thus, if you like another ‘bendy edge rusher’ in this draft, having Darrell Taylor on the roster means nothing. You’re taking them. They might take a pass rusher at #5 for christ’s sake in Will Anderson. So taking one at #20 or #37 or somewhere in-between is neither here nor there.
Not sure why you’re labouring this point.
Will McDonald was 241lbs at the Senior Bowl. He was violently sick at the combine and lost weight and was still 239lbs. At his pro-day, he weighed-in at 245lbs.
He’s never been 235lbs.
At his combine, Brian Burns was 249lbs. So 4lbs heavier than McDonald — including the inevitable combine chugging of water (which you can’t do at pro-day because you workout on the same day).
Let’s at least get the facts right.
If you’re going to quibble over being happy to take a player at 37 but not at 27, I’d say that is baffling beyond belief.
Their problem was never ‘taking a player 10 picks early’
It was taking the wrong player full stop.
So I say Taylor might not be a scheme fit.
You point out they’ve release a load of other players that weren’t scheme fits.
And you then try and use that to explain why… they have to take a defensive tackle rather than add an edge rusher to replace a guy who might not fit? When in my projection, they do both anyway??
Sorry but to me you’re just doing the same thing as all the people who refuse to accept they might consider a QB at #5. You’ve got your preferences on certain positions and you’re being stubborn about it.
Ah yes, because McDonald at #37 is a good pick but god forbid they take him at #27.
I think it’s time to move on tbh.
My feeling about trading down from #20 was that sinking feeling of seeing other good defensive players picked and then wondering if the player they want will even be available. I don’t know, I want the extra picks but at the end of the third round? Kind of late for those impact players but there is always hope that you will find a later round guy. Anyway, if the Seahawks trade down I hope “their” guy is still there.
I really like this draft. AR just makes me happy and as I mentioned before I am totally on board with a C if that’s who they want. Get a sick O-line and kick ass. The DL picks are nice and can really help
Really appreciate your effort and all the great content this time of year. I like this draft, especially Richardson..
When will your final mock be and will there be at least one more before then?
Final mock is the day before the draft
I’ll do another written mock this week, Wednesday or Thursday
Thank you
Heck yeah! Excited to listen.
Couple Schneider quotes I found this morning:
2011 post draft regarding Dalton and the QB class.
“We debated with Andy Dalton, there’s no question about it,” Seahawks general manager John Schneider said Wednesday on KIRO-AM. “But I think we all felt like we were at a point in our development where we couldn’t pass on a starting tackle right now.”
“Quite honestly, we’d like to have a guy, especially a rookie (quarterback), be more of a developmental type and a guy more like Aaron Rodgers and sit for a year or two,” said Schneider, who added that he believes Dalton could play right away. “So that was really the only point in the draft where there was a guy where we were like, ‘There he is, that’s a very viable option.’ Quite honestly, we just had guys throughout the board that just didn’t make sense as we went down comparing them to other positions.”
Throughout the rest of the draft, there wasn’t another guy staring us right in the face where we’re like, ‘OK, let’s go do it right now, this is our guy’ in comparison to the other players at different positions that we went with,” Schneider said.
2012 Predraft on Tannehille
āThe guy was a quarterback in high school, just a football player. First and foremost, that’s what we’re looking for. Especially at that position. Guys that have always been in the quarterback schools, the special camps, and all that kind of stuff — they make me a little nervous to a certain extent. This guy is a real football player. He played defense. You could see him last year when he stepped in, he just went out and played. He had this natural toughness about him that the players really rallied around and went on a winning streak. And he did a great job.ā
Food for thought since weāve been getting so much Schneider talk on 710.
Salient callback, Ben.
John Schneider talks about how his draft process has evolved over the years as he’s applied lessons learned, but he also reminds us that a GM is hired for his core philosophyāand this must not change. Fast-forwarding to today, it couldn’t be more obvious that he has deliberately set things up to make room for another “developmental type” who could “sit for a year or two.” To wit, his QB two-deep is more or less already set, and that third QB slot could be accounted for by emphasizing positional versatility when filling out his roster (e.g., going with only eight OLs, several of whom play a second position, and a couple who can swing left or right).
Assuming (1) Schneider’s core philosophy (which must not change) includes a preference for developing high-ceiling quarterbacks over the course of one to two years (ala Aaron Rodgers), and (2) owning the #5 pick ideally positions the Seahawks to get that developmental high-ceiling quarterback in the 2023 draft, which of this year’s QB prospects stands out as the perfect match? Note that the team is going all-out with its pre-draft hype, using the mainstream media plus seahawks.com to advertise this “Historic 2023 Draft” celebration they’ll be hosting at the friggin’ Space Needle, which tells me: They plan to go big.
Michael Lombardi in this video says Chris Ballard’s QB order is probably Levis, Stroud, Richardson (then he suggested it could be Levis, Richardson, Stroud).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsm3Y-cJ3JQ
We’ve been saying for a LONG time, Levis to Indy seems tailor made
And based on Lombardi’s view, they’ll take him even if Stroud lasts to #4
Who does Seattle take if they have the choice of Richardson and Stroud?
Well I didn’t think Stroud would get out of the top-two, so I can’t say
But I’d guess Stroud
I don’t know if there is anything to this but I’ve read on a couple of forums that Lukas Van Ness played out of position and that was the main reason for his underwhelming stats. I remember when JJ Watt came out of Wisconsin that he looked good but nothing like the all-time game wrecker that he became.
Brilliant mock Rob. Having Pitt trade up for Carter was something I’ve not heard yet and it makes perfect sense. Pickins for Seattle – team captain/MVP, great Sr.Bowl, team centric, moves across the line, never missed and started 32 straight games.
“A five-star recruit out of high school, Pickens was the No. 1 defensive tackle in the 2019 recruiting class (ahead of DeMarvin Leal and Travon Walker) and the No. 1
recruit in South Carolina (one spot ahead of Gamecocksā teammate Cam Smith).”
Thanks for your efforts!
I aapreciate that Rob mocks based on what is likely to happen. Not on what he woukd do. And he pivots. For instance, centers.
I agree 100% with the Jahmyr Gibbs pick by Dallas, but my gut says they would love to jump up to #9 and poach Jalen Carter away from the Eagles.
Dallas’ GM doesn’t have to explain the investment to Dallas’ owner. They’re pretty tight, even if they do work against each others’ interests at times.
I think Jerry knows their defense isn’t the problem — it’s the offense just lacked any sparkle at the end of the season
That’s fair.
They can get Discount Gibbs in Kenny McIntosh later though.
And what better way to keep Dan Quinn interested in being HC-In-Waiting but to give him an all-world talent project at DT to mash through the Eagles’ OL?
McIntosh aint running a 4.3 though
I just think Jerry has a sole focus this off-season — be more explosive on offense. It’s the be-all and end-all for him. Their offense was so boring at the end of last season and it cost them. He knows he has to prop-up Dak.
Go get Bijan then
That’ll be expensive if he goes in the top-10, as I expect
Can’t imagine a team going up 20 spots to take a RB given what it’d cost
Very interesting video. Super interesting hearing the needs and motivations for the other teams in the 20-45 which seems to be the meat of the draft.
Personally I love the Seahawks position. A great player will be available there.
I know it is my confidence bias speaking butā¦I am 100% in on Anthony Richardson at 5. I think he is an MVP-level talent. I will be disappointed if he is drafted by another team before 5. And I will be totally gutted if he is there at 5 and Seattle doesnāt pick him.
I have ideas for 20 and Day 2 and Day 3 but if they get AR, I will probably just chill and enjoy the rest of the draft. There are so many approaches they could use that make sense and multiple players that could fit into each of those approaches. I do have a list of favorite prospects and I will celebrate each one that becomes a Seahawk:
Ade Ade – athletic, Senior Bowl standout
Josh Downs – I hate comps but his maturity reminds me so much of Tyler Lockett
Bryce Ford/Wheaton – rare 6-4 athletic project like DK Metcalf and Tariq Woolen
Julius Brents – Athletic Senior Bowl standout, great SDB interview, longest CB wingspan ever recorded
Darius Rush – tall, long, fast Senior Bowl standout
Whoever Steve Hutchinson endorses at C/G
Daiyan Henley – mobile ILB that can cover the pass, Day 3 steal
JL Skinner – big, violent safety who could replace Adams in 2024
Evan Hull – Day 3 RB, Senior Bowl standout, can run and catch
I’m with you, I’ve hitched my hopes for the team for years on whether or not they take Richardson. Not the greatest idea, especially for my sanity and blood pressure, but eh, it’s too late now.
Also agree, with RIchardson, I’ll coast the rest of the draft. I was pretty pissed last year when they took Cross and almost turned the draft off. Then they had my favorite, most complete draft afterwards. You never know (still hinges on getting a quarterback for me).
I like it Rob!
This one that just came out is also quite interesting. https://www.pff.com/news/draft-2023-market-implied-nfl-mock-draft-bryce-young-panthers-cardinals-trade-down
Rob, as always, thank you for the amazing draft coverage! My favourite thing about your site is the consistent, rational arguments that you make which set the tone for the rest of this community. The discussions are far more interesting to me than the simple emotions of fans.
I think one of the key things that most people forget about the qb position is that there is not a more important position in sports that so greatly affects the success of a team. Taking a chance on an all-time physical talent with great intangibles, a great backstory and, reportedly, a high S2 result is a good calculated risk. If Will Anderson is there then happy day! Don’t tell me that anyone in this blog would have been unhappy with the prospect of Will Anderson at the end of the 2021/2022 season.
I also think that most people forget there are rarely perfect prospects but even when there are they can be totally fucked up by the organization that drafts them – Indy & Andrew Luck – possibly Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence. On the other side, a good organization with a good plan can turn potential into something special. Seattle has had success with developing cornerbacks and quarterbacks most notably. Dline, not so much. Possibly the new pass rush coach will help.
“(Lukas Van Ness) didn’t start at Iowa, and I want to know why.” āRob
Chris Simms says he asked one of the Iowa coaches about that, and he was told that it was purely due to program tradition, whereby seniors (depth chart allowing) start the first series or two as a reward for time in service. Are you buying this? It sounds a bit too convenient to me, but then I could understand that kind of tradition, too. Simms obviously buys it, because he has Van Ness as the #2 DL in the draft.
F no
Football teams play to win, not be a charity for snaps
Indeed, indeed. And of course, an ex-player like Simms would know this, too. Not sure what he’s doing putting this out on a major network TV show. It’s not like talking head disinfo sways teams one way or another. I do appreciate that he’s not worried about going against the grain, but this take just seems dumb.
I donāt know about simms, but I get the feeling florio is always trying to pump up certain players.
100% a completely stupid statement. I’m a Hawkeye fan. They got Epenesa in immediately when he first came to campus (rotated him the same). Iowa rotates their line to keep the guys fresh. They are always very deep on the defensive line. It just tends to be upperclassmen because they are all low-level recruits and have to bust their asses to get to play.
That is why they are always sound: they have to be able to play the position well down to the fundamentals. They don’t get very many freak athletes. I don’t know who Simms talked to, but it wasn’t anyone legit at Iowa. What a dumb statement (and I know that you are just relaying it, nothing bad meant to you at all). Simms is losing what little credibility left that I thought that he had left.
What are your thoughts on Lukas Van Ness, BK?
I don’t know about you, but when I was in college, I knew far more about the players at my school than the players at other schools, and therefore I was far more critical of them (tending to focus on their limitations). When fellow alums did go on to have good NFL careers, I was usually surprised. Of course, some people see it the other way around. Either way, I’d be curious what you might have to say about Van Ness. Boy, does he look the part.
Hopefully you still see this. I think he will be easily solid, borderline good. Chance of some higher upside, but not immediately
I definitely didn’t expect him to be a first round pick. More late 2nd, early 3rd. But his testing was much better than I thought. I expect him to play for 10 years or so, but that is the norm for Iowa. They are always solid, technically sound, might not be the best talent, but someone who has a good career.
I imagine that comparing snap counts between Van Ness and the defensive linemen who played the first snap of the game would tell us if it is something or nothing. PFF has Van Ness as playing the most snaps as any edge on Iowa last season; just not the first snap.
Yeah, I tried to find his snap count before posting my question, but only managed to dig up generic stats. His production does seem pretty dang solid for a player in a high-rotation system. And that length: sheesh. If there’s any way he falls to #20…
First, I love these video/live mock formats, you know so much about the players and all the team needs that it really makes it interesting.
Second, we have seen the hawks move up a few times (locket, etc) – you had some first round talent falling into reach if we were willing to move up either at 53, or from the third back into the second. Can you see that happening?
Yes, absolutely
That’s familiar ground for Seattle.
Trading back in the first, getting similar value a few picks down, and adding stock to move up and take a falling player.
Seeing Jones go to the Steelers 5 picks above our 53, I was just thinking how our online could look if we moved ahead of them to snag that pick
Brock Huard suspects that Dawand Jones dropped out of Senior Bowl week and limited his combine and pro day involvement due to a medical flag.
Having an extra R3 would be great, but if McDonald is on the board at 20 pounce on itā¦ then cross your fingers that Ade last to 37 (not a knock on Pickens).
I know this would probably never happen, but for you old people who remember BBS wars, I would love for Rob to arrange a mock draft with all 31 teams version of Rob. You could even do it with an email chain, whomever covers the panthers starts and then emails the pick to number 2 etc. Or even more unrealistic, get you all on a live stream. It would be fun to see each teams ārepā making the pick and having to convince the other teams to trade, etc
Do you see any ranges where the talent drops off quickly? Or does this year seem a bit more gradual than usual?
Check out my latest horizontal board
I was also wondering about safety, do we try to fill that hole this year seeing as a lot of cap can be freed up next year at the position.. or just wait for next year FA/draft to worry about it.. there were some great deals at the position in FA this year
Nice mock, Rob. I think McDonald is a good player, but I just think that a pure nose tackle is a higher priority than another edge. From what Iām reading interior pressure is valued higher than edge pressure. Someone like Mazi has similar traits as Haloti Ngata (6ā4ā, 340 lbs) and Phil Taylor (6ā3″, 335 lbs). Not saying he will be that good; but he could occupy a center and guard to keep Bush and Wagner clean. Also it will keep Reed and Jones 1 on 1 with the OTās.
Canāt wait to see your final mock. I see you have a high ranking for accuracy over the past 5 years. Good luck this year.
One thing to consider though with nose tackle is how Schneider recently declared they feel comfortable plugging anyone into that spot. Basically if you anchored in college you can probably do it for early downs in the NFL. That’s what he said, anyway.
Unfortunately, the quality of our run game might contradict if that is actually true.
That’s not just down to the nose, though
Our nose last year was our best performing D-liner and the running game still sucked
ooks like we got a contradiction at center that needs compromising. So we’ve got A.) Center needs to be the twitchyiest, most agile, lineman. B) Pete sayings we want a shorter center for leverage purposes.
A= Tippman
B= Schmitz/Wypler
Which takes precedence? How’s Tippman do with leverage? Good as Schmitz/Wypler? At the end of the day it may come down to mental make up, but since we don’t have access to that info, my bets on the athleticism of Tippman. And Evan Brown will probably start at center anyway, so Tippman is most likely best able to play guard in the meantime? If need be?
Tippmann can definitely slot in at guard and I think that would be the plan. Let him adjust to the NFL and learn the protection calls before he takes over at center.
It’s aways possible he blows people away in camp and earns the starting C job right from the start, but I would guess that’s unlikely. And if Brown proves to be better than expected and really nails down our center position next season, having a big, athletic rookie guard is still very useful.
Exactly, Tippmann makes a lot of sense. And apologies if he reads this blog for spelling his name wrong š
There’s virtually no way Seattle take Witherspoon at 5. And he won’t be available at 20. So this feels a lot like an indulgence visit — someone Pete really wanted to talk to. I could believe they’re also very interested in his teammate Sidney Brown so maybe it’s some of that too
Well, if they’re absolutely determined to go defense and let’s say Anderson/Wilson go #2 and #3 — I wouldn’t rule it out
I know one person who is convinced they’re taking a defender at #5
I also think Witherspoon has a bit of an odd personality. Not a great talker, awkward. So wouldn’t be surprised at all if they just want to get to know him better.
We can’t even trade back anymore with the idea of grabbing Witherspoon a few picks later. I think Rob’s correct that Detroit will be all over him at #6 particularly now that they’ve traded Okudah.
I love the guy, but a lot of weird things would have to happen for him to be BPA at #5. Like having 2 of these 4 QBs off your board.
WOW: If the Seahawks were able to land: Richardson, McDonald, Tippmann, Pickens. In it self that would be quite a haul. Then the Hawks in the third round could go BPA choice of running back, wide receiver or tight end. Or the Hawks could even go safety. Just keep going BPA.
Talent over need.
Love the draft, great video. Best draft content out there bar none.
I was looking at the last horizontal board and I couldnāt recall, what does it mean when the playerās name is in red?
If they love one of the centers Iām fine with trading back a bit from 20 then snagging him. I think a solid consistent center that knows the QB and the system is more valuable than most people think.
Looking at the edge class and say there are a lot of later round guys that have similar traits and question marks as some of the top of the class. Since thereās no Bosa/Garrett type Iād much rather snag a couple edges in the 3-5 round range than take a shot at a late first early second guy who still has a low floor.
I did hear an interesting discussion of Ade Ade as similar to Kancey. Testing was actually pretty similar but without the big length questions.
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