Updated mock draft: 15th February

It felt like an update was needed after Jeffery Simmons’ ACL tear and Arizona’s tweet about Josh Rosen being their guy. Usual drill — we always include trades (because why wouldn’t you?) and everything is explained below…

The mock draft

#1 Arizona — Quinnen Williams (DT, Alabama)
#2 Cincinnati (via SF) — Kyler Murray (QB, Oklahoma)
#3 New York Jets — Nick Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
#4 Oakland — Rashan Gary (DE, Michigan)
#5 Tampa Bay — Josh Allen (EDGE, Kentucky)
#6 New York Giants —- Dwayne Haskins (QB, Ohio State)
#7 Jacksonville — Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
#8 Detroit — T.J. Hockenson (TE, Iowa)
#9 Buffalo — Jawaan Taylor (T, Florida)
#10 Denver — Drew Lock (QB, Missouri)
#11 San Francisco (via CIN) — Devin White (LB, LSU)
#12 Green Bay — Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
#13 Miami — Dexter Lawrence (DT, Clemson)
#14 Atlanta — Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
#15 Washington — Montez Sweat (EDGE, Mississippi State)
#16 Carolina — Devin Bush (LB, Michigan)
#17 Cleveland — Andre Dillard (T, Washington State)
#18 Minnesota — Cody Ford (T, Oklahoma)
#19 Tennessee — Jachai Polite (EDGE, Florida)
#20 Pittsburgh — Greedy Williams (CB, LSU)
#21 Green Bay (via SEA) —- Jonah Williams (T, Alabama)
#22 Baltimore — Marquise Brown (WR, Oklahoma)
#23 Houston — Joejuan Williams (CB, Vanderbilt)
#24 Oakland — Irv Smith Jr (TE, Alabama)
#25 Philadelphia — Dre’Mont Jones (DT, Ohio State)
#26 Indianapolis — Deebo Samuel (WR, South Carolina)
#27 Oakland — Parris Campbell (WR, Ohio State)
#28 LA Chargers — Greg Little (T, Ole Miss)
#29 Kansas City — Jaylon Ferguson (EDGE, Louisiana Tech)
#30 Buffalo (via SEA) — Josh Jacobs (RB, Alabama)
#31 LA Rams — Garrett Bradbury (C, NC State)
#32 New England — Mack Wilson (LB, Alabama)

Breaking down the picks

#1 Arizona — Quinnen Williams (DT, Alabama)
If they keep the pick they might look for a dominating interior presence to pair with Chandler Jones.

#2 Cincinnati trades up for Kyler Murray (QB, Oklahoma)
The Bengals are full of surprises this off-season and make a bold move to change the direction of the franchise.

#3 New York Jets — Nick Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
History repeats for the Jets. Sam Darnold fell to #3 a year ago. Now it’s Bosa.

#4 Oakland — Rashan Gary (DE, Michigan)
A former #1 national recruit — teams will love Gary’s upside and he’ll go very early.

#5 Tampa Bay — Josh Allen (EDGE, Kentucky)
This feels a bit rich for me but Allen’s stock is trending up.

#6 New York Giants — Dwayne Haskins (QB, Ohio State)
The Giants draft Eli’s heir apparent.

#7 Jacksonville — Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
They’ll likely cut Marcell Dareus and Malik Jackson.

#8 Detroit — T.J. Hockenson (TE, Iowa)
Hockenson is the best offensive prospect in the draft after Kyler Murray.

#9 Buffalo — Jawaan Taylor (T, Florida)
A consensus is building that Taylor will be the first tackle off the board.

#10 Denver — Drew Lock (QB, Missouri)
Joe Flacco is Alex Smith, Lock is Patrick Mahomes. Well, that’s what they’ll hope.

#11 San Francisco trades down and selects Devin White (LB, LSU)
The Niners get a cornerstone defender and leader.

#12 Green Bay — Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)
I’m uncomfortable dropping Ferrell this low but it’s how it played out.

#13 Miami — Dexter Lawrence (DT, Clemson)
Reports say the Dolphins are prepared to tank in 2019 and build up the lines.

#14 Atlanta — Ed Oliver (DT, Houston)
Ed Oliver is a wonderful talent. But what’s his fit at the next level?

#15 Washington — Montez Sweat (EDGE, Mississippi State)
I’m not sure he’ll go this early but Sweat has a lot of potential.

#16 Carolina — Devin Bush (LB, Michigan)
He’s undersized but flies around and should have a great combine.

#17 Cleveland — Andre Dillard (T, Washington State)
Many believe Dillard to be the best pass-blocking tackle in the draft.

#18 Minnesota — Cody Ford (T, Oklahoma)
It’s rare to find a player with Ford’s size, great feet and agility.

#19 Tennessee — Jachai Polite (EDGE, Florida)
Polite’s motor never stops and he could go earlier than this.

#20 Pittsburgh — Greedy Williams (CB, LSU)
Williams is slightly overrated and will last longer than people think.

#21 Green Bay trades up for Jonah Williams (T, Alabama)
The Packers move up to get a much needed offensive lineman.

#22 Baltimore — Marquise Brown (WR, Oklahoma)
Antonio’s cousin lands in the AFC North.

#23 Houston — Joejuan Williams (CB, Vanderbilt)
I’ve not studied him yet but Williams is getting a lot of love.

#24 Oakland — Irv Smith Jr (TE, Alabama)
The Raiders need two things — pass rush and offensive playmakers.

#25 Philadelphia — Dre’Mont Jones (DT, Ohio State)
He’s the type of defensive linemen they add.

#26 Indianapolis — Deebo Samuel (WR, South Carolina)
The Colts need another weapon across from T.Y. Hilton.

#27 Oakland — Parris Campbell (WR, Ohio State)
He’s a bigger version of Percy Harvin just not quite as sudden.

#28 LA Chargers — Greg Little (T, Ole Miss)
He likely kicks inside to guard but has a shot at tackle.

#29 Kansas City — Jaylon Ferguson (EDGE, Louisiana Tech)
He didn’t have an amazing Senior Bowl but the raw talent is there.

#30 Buffalo trades up for Josh Jacobs (RB, Alabama)
The Bills need to build around Josh Allen.

#31 LA Rams — Garrett Bradbury (C, NC State)
The feeling is Bradbury will go in round one and this is a need for the Rams.

#32 New England — Mack Wilson (LB, Alabama)
We’ll see if the Pats want to pay Dont’a Hightower mega money in 2019.

The trades explained

Cincinnati (#11) trades up with San Francisco (#2) to select Kyler Murray
If the Cardinals aren’t going to take Kyler Murray (and they tweeted as much — how very 2019), there’s little pressure for teams to trade up to #1. They can trade with the Niners — a likely willing dealer. Here the Bengals move on from Andy Dalton and go get their future for the new offensive-minded Head Coach.

Green Bay (#30) trades up with Seattle (#21) to select Jonah Williams
The Packers and Seahawks made a deal a year ago and history repeats here. Green Bay has a need on the offensive line and at defensive end. They address both needs in this mock. The Seahawks are almost certain to trade down from #21.

Buffalo (#40) trades up with Seattle (#30) to select Josh Jacobs
There’s a strong possibility the Seahawks will trade down multiple times with only four picks to spend. The Bills move up ten spots to land Jacobs knowing he wouldn’t last to #40. The two trades net Seattle an extra third, fourth and fifth round pick.

Thoughts on the Seahawks

Nothing has changed from the last mock. They move down twice — which feels possible. I’m not sure they’ll necessarily want to trade down this far (or get the opportunity to) but they need to acquire extra picks and their one real shot at doing that comes with the first pick.

Pete Carroll said he didn’t see any glaring needs and I think that is something to note and remember. This is wide open. They could look at all sorts of options with the top pick — pass rusher, receiver, O-line, linebacker, quarterback. I wouldn’t rule anything out other than cornerback (because it’s the Carroll Seahawks).

It’s been interesting to see L.J. Collier (DE, TCU) receive some top-50 chatter recently. I’m a big fan. He’s tough, physical, wins with speed and power, has fantastic arm length for his height and knows how to make the most of that advantage. He’ll likely need a good combine performance (10-yard split, agility testing) to warrant top-pick consideration for Seattle. Let’s see how he gets on.

Terry McLaurin (WR, Ohio State) just screams Seahawks. His ability to get open, his willingness to block, his fantastic speed, his ability to compete for the ball and his special teams value tick a lot of boxes.

Will Grier (QB, West Virginia) remains intriguing. His deep-throw quality is a great match for this offense. He has mechanical issues which could cause problems at the next level but as we’ve discussed a lot — the pending Russell Wilson contract saga could encourage them to add a developmental QB (possibly with a high pick).

J.J. Arcega-Whiteside (WR, Stanford) is a touchdown machine and I’ve not seen a receiver as good as JJAW when it comes to boxing-out a defender to gain position to make a catch. He’s a red-zone terror and can win contested throws. Like a lot of the receivers in this class though he struggles to separate and I’m not sure you can take a prospect early if you’re banking on him being a red-zone threat primarily.

D.K. Metcalf (WR, Ole Miss) is still on the board. His freakish athletic profile might have some appeal but he recently posted a picture on Twitter where he looks far too muscular. A lot of draft analysts have been drooling over Metcalf for months but aside from the prospective testing numbers I’m not sure why. He has way too many focus drops, had most of his success running go-routes, he’s a build-up-speed receiver not a guy who creates separation with a fantastic release and he doesn’t make the most of his size. He’s a developmental receiver who needs time — plus there’s the neck injury that needs checking out. Still, we know Carroll has been looking for a freaky big target for a long time.

If they go O-line is it too early for Chris Lindstrom (G, Boston College) depending on how he tests and whether they’re able to re-sign J.R. Sweezy? Chuma Edoga (T, USC) could be a wildcard considering his sensational Senior Bowl, 5-star recruiting history and major potential. He looks like a rough diamond who needs polishing with star potential.

There are other O-liners too — David Edwards at Wisconsin, Dalton Risner at Kansas State (I’m not a fan this early, later on maybe) and Kaleb McGary at Washington (he really improved his stock in Mobile) to name a few. There’s also defensive talent like D’Andre Walker (EDGE, Georgia), Christian Miller (EDGE, Alabama), Renell Wren (DT, Arizona State), Khalen Saunders (DT, Western Illinois) and others.

The combine will give us a much clearer indication on who they might target.

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  1. millhouse-serbia

    Me again with the safeties… 🙂 It would be great if all of them are available when JS is on the move with 35th to 40th pick and that’s the case in this mock.

    • Rob Staton

      I know you like your safety’s… but I just can’t see Seattle taking any of this group. It’s not a good crop.

      • Brandon

        What do you think about Adderley in R2? I think he’s got the traits to be the FS in Carroll’s defense but his level of competition and tackling have me a little worried.

        • Rob Staton

          I’m not a fan of taking him in round two — and not sure he’ll go that early either.

    • Michigan 12th

      Cleveland sports talk is saying they want a OT, so there is merit in the guess.

    • Oly420

      I’ve been wondering if Clifton Duck could play free safety. He’d be available in the later rounds and I like him a lot better than most the FS class… https://youtu.be/znY-KuqmrC4

  2. Hicks

    Great mock Rob! Noticed you had Cleveland taking Dillard in your last mock as well 9ers taking a LB (Devin White I think). Are those the rumblings you’re hearing? Or you do you strongly feel those are the best matches?

    • Rob Staton

      I just think from Cleveland’s point of view they have to build around Mayfield so a left tackle or receiver seems a possibility. The Niners could use a solid leader type on defense or a pass rusher.

      • Hicks


    • Michigan 12th

      Cleveland sports talk wants an OT, so there is merit in that guess.

  3. RWIII

    I think Cleveland will go either OT, DL or Wide receiver. The Browns could use another defensive lineman. But for my money you want the Browns to put as much talent around Baker Mayfield as possible. You need to give Mayfield weapons. You also want to protect him. Adding another good offensive lineman will also go a way in the run game. We will see.

  4. H

    Kyler Murray to the Bengals would be super interesting, imagine the rivalry he and Baker could have.

    • Dylan Leptich

      That would be super fun

    • Rik

      And then add Lamar Jackson into the mix! That’s a handfull of dynamic QBs. But the poor Steelers are left out in the cold with an aging Big Ben.

      • jj

        Rik the division will have to go through Mason Rudolph in the coming years.

    • Coleslaw

      Murray, Mixon and Green would be a solid big 3. Murray and Mixon in that backfield alone would be deadly too.

  5. Volume12

    The Chuma Edoga rumors don’t bother ya? USC didn’t speak highly of him. ‘He’s another Ereck Flowers’

    • Rob Staton

      It’s hard to pass comment on Edoga’s character. The interviews I’ve seen with him he seems great. It might be all behind the scenes. There are no specific reports on the supposed issues. But I really liked his tape and his Senior Bowl.

  6. Volume12

    Glad we can dead the Kyler Murray to the Cards stuff. Would’ve been a fun story, but made no sense.

    What does Arizona have to surround Murray with? He’d be in the exact same situation as Rosen who showed franchise QB like traits. There’s not a throw he can’t make and ya gotta see what Kingsbury can do with him.

    Might be harsh but IMHO he would’ve boatraced Seattle in week 4 with a better supporting cast.

    • Rob Staton

      It made a ton of sense IMO.

      You can’t wait until your roster is perfectly loaded and then decide, ‘now we’ll draft a brilliant QB’. You play the hand your dealt. And Murray, for me, is far better.

      • Josh

        Wait…. isn’t that what the Seahawks did? Hahaha, just kidding around dude😂

        • Rob Staton

          The Seahawks never had the #1 overall pick

  7. Grayson

    Hey Rob, have you had the chance to look at Lil’ Jordan Humphrey (WR, Texas)? Definitely an intriguing guy. Long, tall, and runs a variety of routes. https://youtu.be/oEJZsc4WmtI

    • Rob Staton

      I haven’t, not yet

    • Sea Mode

      I’ve seen a bit of him since someone (maybe it was you) commented about him a while back.

      Looks like an intriguing project for someone on early day 3 to me. Liked the competitiveness, strength, and concentration at point of catch and balance/toughness in RAC.

      Great thick build, except looks to have shorter arms to me. (not a deal breaker or anything, just mentioning it). He didn’t test explosively at all in SPARQ combine, but did have a very good 4.16 SS. Otherwise, a 28.4 vert and 31.5 power throw combined to leave him with an unimpressive 78.63 SPARQ score. No 40 times were run.

      Was a 6-4, 210 RB coming out of HS. Now he’s supposedly up around the 225-230 range. We will see him at the Combine and what he runs will be important. He might almost be limited to a big slot WR/TE role at the next level if he can’t run fast.

      He will turn 21 just days before the draft, so youth is on his side. Only WR in this class younger than him is Greg Dortch of Wake Forest (by about 40 days).

      BTW, Terry McLaurin will turn 24 just days before the draft as well. That’s something we haven’t talked about and should affect his stock a bit. Only WR of note I see older than him is Anthony Johnson of Buffalo (by 3 months).

  8. Dale Roberts

    Between Keenum and Flacco the Broncos will have about $35 million tied up in two aging QBs nobody else seems to want and they’ll reportedly lose a 4th round pick in the process. With a roster that’s also mediocre and a lot of cap space they’re a real wild card until we see what they do in free agency. I think we may see Lock in a Jacksonville jersey with Denver unwilling to expend the resources to move up.

    • Rob Staton

      I think they’ll dump Keenum.

  9. Rob Staton

    Round two is written and will be published tomorrow.

    • Rob Staton

      Also got a piece on free agency priorities ready to roll.

      • Zxvo3

        👍👍👍 keep up the good work Rob!

        • Rob Staton

          Thank you

      • Hicks

        Thanks for the dedication rob! Make sure to tale some time to yourself after the draft

        • Hawktalker#1

          What, during the post draft analysis period? 🙂

    • Steve Nelsen

      I can’t wait to see who you have on the Board for Seattle at #40. Your two-trade-down scenario seems likely and I think there will still be some great DL and a few other interesting guys when the Seahawks pick.

      And a free agent piece?! This will be a fun weekend. Thank you.

    • Sea Mode

      Yay, Finally, a Seahawks pick! (maybe? hopefully? 😉 )

      Thanks for keeping all the great content coming in this lull before the Combine.

      • Rob Staton

        There’s definitely a Seahawks pick. One I’m not sold on too…

        • Sea Mode

          Oh, the suspense… 😜

    • Josh

      On fire as per usual Rob, thank you so much for all your time

  10. Zxvo3

    I appreciate all the hard work Rob, I think I am not the only one who is desperately waiting for the combine. My favorite 2 players in this draft so far are L.J. Collier and Terry McLaurin. Rob, do you believe Collier could go in the top-50? It feels like the other week we were saying he was a Round 3-4 prospect.

    • Rob Staton

      Daniel Jeremiah is suddenly touting Collier as a top-50 pick. I think the combine will determine how likely that is. But he’s one of my favourites in this class — as is Terry McLaurin.

  11. Chris

    I can’t remember who it was, but they had Parris Campbell dropping to round 6.

  12. SamL

    Who do you think is more likely to trade up for Murray. The dolphins or the Bengals? I think the dolphins, or maybe Redskins.

    • Rob Staton

      Bengals. According to Adam Schefter the Dolphins are targeting the 2020 quarterbacks and are willing to endure a rebuilding year.

      • C-Dog

        Read recently that they could be gearing up to trade for Brissett and dump Tannehill, and have Brissett be the bridge QB for a 2020 rookie.

      • Hicks


        I’m a fan of the approach. Target a guy you really like, even if it’s not this year. Some people are so impatient and want the best QB this year.

  13. no frickin' clue


    Do you think the Hawks will be more mindful of compensatory picks this time around in free agency? Seeing as how we didn’t get any this year, and both Earl and KJ can probably obtain big-dollar contracts elsewhere? Would be nice to have an extra 3rd and 4th rounder in 2020. I realize both have injury histories now but I’m assuming both are young enough that multiple teams will still be willing to hold bidding wars for these guys.

    I believe that picking up someone else’s cuts does not apply to the compensatory rules. So maybe a team like the Jags, who need to trim salary and will probably cut Marcel Dareus, could be good fodder for offseason signings. Would Dareus’ profile match what we need for interior DL play, and would he be too expensive to consider?

    • Rob Staton

      I think they expected some this year to be honest — and didn’t anticipate some guys like Joeckel not getting another chance in the NFL even on a minimum deal to offset some of the smaller additions.

      Dareus I’m wary of. He’s made a lot of dough. How motivated is he?

  14. WALL UP

    “Buffalo #40 (500 pts) trades up for Seattle’s #30 (620 pts) to select Josh Jacobs. The two trades net Seattle an extra third, fourth and fifth round pick.”

    It would be very generous on Buffalo’s account to give up such a heist, in order to move up 10 slots.
    Buffalo’s 3rd pick alone (220 pts), would more than compensate the value by a +100pts, to Seattle’s margin, much less an additional 4th (#113 @ 68 pts), and (#159 @ 28 pts). (826 to 620 = +206 SEA)

    I think NYG would be a more realistic avenue for moving up to #30 from #37.
    (Trade w/ NYG) (#30 @ 620 pts) for [(#37@ 530 pts) 2nd, (#109 @ 76 pts) 4th, & (#144 @ 33.5 pts) 5th] = (+ 19.5 SEA)

    There would be a need to secure a RT with the availability of David Edwards, or the best OL prospect available, ahead of LAR, NE & ARI, who all will be looking for the similar player.

    BUF would need only to worry about TB who is keyed in on Josh Jacobs. They could trade up from #40 to #37. (Trade w/ BUF) 37 for [(40) 2nd Rd & (148) 5th Rd]. Buffalo may also trade up to get Risner, it’s hard to say.

    They probably do not stop there. I think they may have another trade in store to obtain additional picks.

    • David Ashton

      I’d have thought Robs logic is the 3rd is acquired through the Green Bay trade.

      • Rob Staton


        It’s a third from Green Bay, a fourth and fifth from Buffalo.

        • Wall Up

          Of course! 😊 Sorry about that. NYG, @ #37 though, has a serious need @ RT that Edwards could fill, by trading up to #30.

          The only teams vying for Jacobs’ services are TB, BUF & ALT, in that order. BUF could be their 3rd trading partner @ #37 for #40, and pick up another 5th, #148.

          BUF’s 4th & 5th Rd picks, (#113 @ 68 pts) & (#148 @ 31.5 pts), would not be enough for moving up 120 pts, from #40 to #30. BUF may only need to use only their 5th, and still get their guy. Whereas, SEA would get another 5th, by trading with (3) teams instead of just (2).

          • Rob Staton

            Well I have the Giants taking Edwards at 37 anyway but Buffalo aren’t going to get Josh Jacobs at 40. There has to be a reason to move up.

            • Wall Up

              Edwards will be gone @ 37, taken by either ARI, or SF. Regardless of who may get Edwards, the cost for BUF to move up to #30 from #40, would be more than their 4th & 5th, by 20 pts. Also, TB is the only other team, ahead of them, that’s looking to get Jacobs.

              • Rob Staton

                Sometimes I wonder if you disagree for the sake of it. Edwards will definitely be gone by 37? Nobody can assert that with any confidence.

                • WALL UP

                  Actually Rob, what type of blog would it be, if everyone agreed with you on everything? Who would spur you on to create such insightful articles, that keeps us on our toes? No, I’m not playing the contrarian for the sake of it.

                  In fact, we’re in full agreement with BUF as the potential landing spot for trading down @ #40. The difference though, normally trade downs are to acquire value and picks, and not lose value for additional picks, not 20pts, or a high 6th Rd pick. Taking BUF’s 4th & 5th would be a lost in value, a bad trade if there were another option.

                  That’s why I suggested NYG, who’s in desperate need for a RT, could be a suitor @ #37, to trade up to #30 to acquire Edwards. Why not just wait until he falls in their laps @ #37?

                  1. NE could release Cannon for cap space for tagging Brown, and could draft RT Edwards, as the future bookend tackle to Isaiah Wynn. Or they could lose both Brown and Cannon, and that future could become present. (Note: 25 year old DT Malcom Brown may also become available with their decisions.)

                  2. ARI could use their FA money on Humphries @ LT, instead of FA (RT) Barksdale. Then, go after (LG) Roger Saffold to replace Mike Iupati, and Edwards to replace Barksdale @ RT.

                  3. SF could have a switch in their OL, with the advent of Joe Staley’s future retirement. Mike McGlinchey could switch over to LT, and Edwards could play RT, next year, if he finally decides to retire.

                  Free agency will have a lot to do with the outcome of the draft. But, there is a possibility that one of these teams do select Edwards, ahead of NYG at #37. So, to ensure that they do get their guy, they make that trade with SEA, ahead of them.

                  As we agree, NYG had not been too successful in finding a functional OL. Edwards can assist in that quest. They just may have to go get him. Can you just see the headlines if he’s gone? “They miss out again, on getting a premium RT help to protect their present and future QB.”

                  If they do make that trade with SEA, then SEA could trade #37 with BUF for Jacobs and everybody is happy. They get their guys and SEA gets another 5th Rd pick, the best value for trading to #40.

                  You never really know what can happen when comes to the draft. All we can do is just speculate, and be surprised by the real outcome. So, no I have no intentions in just disagreeing with you at all. I’m just voicing a different speculation. No harm intended, at all.

                  • Rob Staton

                    I don’t expect, nor want, everyone to agree with me all the time. It just feels like I end up debating things with you all the time at the moment. Everything is challenged — here initially it was about trade compensation and when it was pointed out you were mistaken about how they acquired a third rounder, suddenly it changed to ‘the Giants are a better trade partner than the Bills’ and that ‘David Edwards won’t be there at 37’.

                    I put trades in my mocks when barely anyone else to create more realistic scenarios for the Seahawks (because they aren’t using that #21 pick). Getting bogged down on whether the Bills or Giants are a more likely trade partner isn’t worth the energy. The trades are only there to enable a better conversation about the Seahawks in this draft.

  15. Nathan W.

    Hey Rob, I was just wondering about something! Do you follow football recruitment at all or do you mainly just focus on the Hawks in season and the draft?

    • Rob Staton

      I tend to review it when it’s complete and I do watch rivals footage on YouTube to get an angle on the top recruits

  16. All I see is 12s

    Just finished listening to Pauline‘s podcast. He drops a couple interesting nuggets at the end especially about Arizonas Robert Nkemdiche(sp?)Seems to believe he will be cut soon. Not saying he’s a fit for the Hawks or anything but it does make one smile to see a division rival waste first-round picks.
    Speaking of which, I would still love for Seattle to sign Deonne Buchanan to play a bit of Kams role.

  17. charlietheunicorn

    Right now, Cincinnati is an absolute dumpster fire. They can’t even get the coaching staff right… and if this is indicative of the front office and ownership…. doubt they could make a trade to save their collective lives.

    It is sounding like #13 is the floor for Murray now….. and #1 is the ceiling.

    • Robert Las Vegas

      Rob what do you think about this case scenario the raiders offer the Seahawks pick 35 and 65 for pick 21.the numbers are pretty close can you imagine the raiders with 4 first round pick I think John would be pretty happy with pick 35 to work with

      • Rob Staton

        I think with picks at 24 and 27 the Raiders won’t feel the need to trade up

        • Josh

          I don’t know dude, wouldn’t it be wild if Oakland could draft the whole Clemson Dline? Haha

  18. charlietheunicorn


    Have you been following the start-up Alliance of American Football? It is like a AAA baseball more or less for the NFL. Follow-up to the very successful, if short lived, NFL Europe from 10-20 years ago.

    There are some intriguing players, that might be worth a tryout or minimum FA NFL deal.
    Did you include any of that in your upcoming FA piece?

    One guy to keep an eye on, the RB Richardson. He looked impressive in his debut game and might be able to catch-on somewhere in the NFL.

    • Rob Staton

      I haven’t seen any of it unfortunately

    • Sea Mode

      A couple of the biggest standouts in AAF week 1 were–surprise, surprise–ex-Seahawks:

      LB Terrence Garvin had the first INT and then the first pick six in AAF history. He allowed only 44 yds on 11 targets and piled on 8 tackles as well.

      DE Damontre Moore (San Diego) had a sack and six (!) QB hits, 9 total QB pressures.

      Terry Poole started at LT for San Diego. DT Tani Tupou had a sack for San Diego. OG Robert “Snacks” Myers started at OG for Memphis and graded well per PFF.

      Here’s the full list of ex-Seahawks I was able to gather from a few different sources. Let me know if you come across any missing:

      Arizona Hotshots: LB Obum Gwacham, C Patrick Lewis, RB Justin Stockton

      Atlanta Legends: DE Tavaris Barnes

      Birmingham Iron: DB Trovon Reed

      Memphis Express: RB Terrence Magee, OL Robert Myers, WR Damore’ea Stringfellow, DL Julius Warmsley;

      Orlando Apollos: WR Marvin Bracy, LB Terrence Garvin, LB Jacob Pugh, DE Christian French, LS Drew Ferris

      Salt Lake Stallions: DT Sealver Siliga, QB BJ Daniels

      San Antonio Commanders: OT Andrew McDonald

      San Diego Fleet: LB John Lotulelei, DE Damontre Moore, LB Eric Pinkins, OT Terry Poole, DT Tani Tupou

      So that’s 22 players in total and at least one on each team. I’d be curious to know if any other NFL teams come even close to that.

      Some detalis on most of them and their time with the Seahawks here:

      With the way we churn the bottom of our roster and PS, it’s no surprise to see so many guys on AAF rosters. Maybe some of them will develop on what Seattle liked in them and be able to come back in the future. From what I understand, all AAF players have the exact same contract (3yr/$250k, non-guaranteed), and it includes a clause to let them leave for the NFL if called up.

      And of course (as if there were ever any doubt) PC has already said the Seahawks will be scouting the AAF:

      “We’ll do all the film work. We’ll do everything,” Carroll said. “We’ll break all those guys down. We’ll just take it as a whole aspect of a feeding system to give us information. The only way we know how to do it is totally go for it, so we’re going to really embrace the whole setup.”


      “We’re going to learn stuff,” Carroll said. “We’ll learn a lot about these guys, and some of these guys are going to play.

      “I think it’s great. I hope it works out.”

      • Eli

        I really liked John Wolford coming out of college last season, and thought he looked great in his AAF game. Definitely going to be following him

  19. Sea Mode

    Well, I started it above with WR, and I figure it’s one of the useful things we can do as we wait for the combine, so here it is for all positions.

    Who are the notable younger and older prospects in the draft? Sometimes we talk about prospects with traits we like, but who are more raw and therefore need development in order to contribute at the next level. It makes a difference, especially in those cases, if they are significantly younger or older than the median. Just one more element to factor in.

    Note that quite a few players’ DOB are missing from the database I am working off of, so this list is not at all complete. All ages are as of the opening day of the 2019 regular season (5 Sept. 2019):


    Ryan Finley: 24 years, 8 months, 10 days

    Kyler Murray: 22 years, 0 months, 29 days
    Jordan Ta’amu: 21 years, 8 months, 26 days

    Marquis Young: 24 years, 6 months, 25 days

    Elijah Holyfield: 21 years, 9 months, 6 days
    Josh Jacobs: 21 years, 6 months, 25 days
    Benny Snell Jr.: 21 years, 6 months, 10 days

    Anthony Johnson: 24 years, 7 months, 7 days
    Terry McLaurin: 24 years, 4 months, 21 days
    Ron’Quavion Tarver: 24 years, 0 months, 10 days

    Antoine Wesley: 21 years, 10 months, 14 days
    D.K. Metcalf: 21 years, 8 months, 22 days
    Kelvin Harmon: 21 years, 8 months, 20 days
    N’Keal Harry: 21 years, 8 months, 19 days
    Lil’Jordan Humphrey: 21 years, 4 months, 17 days
    Greg Dortch: 21 years, 3 months, 7 days

    Trevon Wesco: 23 years, 11 months, 24 days

    T.J. Hockenson: 22 years, 2 months, 2 days
    Noah Fant: 21 years, 9 months, 16 days
    Irv Smith Jr.: 21 years, 0 months, 27 days

    Kaleb McGary: 24 years, 6 months, 14 days
    Paul Adams: 24 years, 3 months, 19 days
    Dalton Risner: 24 years, 1 months, 23 days

    Ethan Greenidge: 21 years, 11 months, 26 days
    Connor McGovern: 21 years, 10 months, 2 days
    Greg Little: 21 years, 10 months, 1 days
    Jonah Williams: 21 years, 9 months, 19 days
    Jawaan Taylor: 21 years, 9 months, 11 days
    Michael Jordan: 21 years, 7 months, 11 days
    Tyler Roemer: 21 years, 5 months, 30 days
    Nate Herbig: 21 years, 1 months, 26 days


    Kevin Wilkins: 24 years, 4 months, 26 days
    Demarcus Christmas: 24 years, 2 months, 1 days
    Gerald Willis III: 24 years, 0 months, 13 days

    Jeffery Simmons: 22 years, 1 months, 8 days
    Zach Allen: 22 years, 0 months, 16 days
    Dexter Lawrence: 21 years, 9 months, 24 days
    Ed Oliver: 21 years, 8 months, 24 days
    Quinnen Williams: 21 years, 8 months, 16 days

    Corbin Kaufusi: 26 years, 4 months, 24 days
    Chase Winovich: 24 years, 4 months, 16 days
    Jordan Brailford: 23 years, 10 months, 27 days
    Jaylon Ferguson: 23 years, 8 months, 22 days

    Jonathan Ledbetter:21 years, 11 months, 24 days
    Nick Bosa: 21 years, 10 months, 13 days
    Rashan Gary: 21 years, 9 months, 2 days
    Brian Burns: 21 years, 4 months, 13 days

    LB (missing tons)
    Drew Lewis: 23 years, 11 months, 29 days
    Kendall Joseph: 23 years, 9 months, 17 days
    Terrill Hanks: 23 years, 8 months, 29 days

    Ulysees Gilbert III: 22 years, 0 months, 27 days

    CB (once again, barely any info)
    Jamal Peters: 22 years, 8 months, 14 days
    Deandre Baker: 22 years, 0 months, 1 days
    Greedy Williams: 21 years, 9 months, 2 days

    John Battle: 24 years, 0 months, 15 days

    Taylor Rapp: 21 years, 8 months, 14 days
    Amani Hooker: 21 years, 2 months, 22 days

    I’ve saved the format, so I’ll be able to run this again if more data comes in at the Combine.

  20. IamTheGame

    Trades need more details (i.e. what did Cincy give up to move up to #2). If Bosa is available at 2 it is going to take a Hershel Walker type of deal for the Niners to move down.

    • Rob Staton

      No, it really isn’t. I like Bosa but let’s not get carried away here.

      And the trade details aren’t the thing to focus on here. The picks are what we’re here to discuss. Not terms of an imaginary deal.

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