Great stream Rob! Always great to hear from you guys
Scot04
Totally agree nice to see a video up again. Thanks guys.
Forrest
Not a chance. He’s expensive and on the decline. But, it doesn’t hurt to up the price for others by getting in the game.
HOUSE
I don’t see Julio coming to SEA… For the exact reasons you brought up, its overkill on offense and it’s stealing from others. I could see this creating turmoil more than anything. I think Metcalf, Lockett, Eskridge and Everett is a good group.
If we are to spend more money right now, I’d be curious to see what your thoughts are regarding the likes of Geno Atkins (DT) and Austin Reiter (C)? I could see Reiter being an upgrade over Pocic and while we signed Pocic to a $3M deal, I don’t think that locks him in at starter.
Lewis
I’d think this had some merit, perhaps, if we hadn’t just drafted Eskridge. As is, I can’t help but think this works be taking snaps away from young receivers that need them.
And I agree: C, DL, or RB would be bigger needs
Albert Bryan Butler
You could give them Eskridge for Jones and get a pick next year on the back end, maybe?
CaptainJack
Only way to do this trade is if you can agree to ship Adams out. However it does screw over Eskridge. I don’t see four receivers all being very productive in this offense.
God of Thunder
I gather Russell Wilson would like to see this happen. So would I, but I’d also like to wake up next to Penelope Cruz.
I’d rather add a kick ass CB. However, admittedly this would be great insurance if DK or Lockett get hurt.
That’s the only valid argument IMO. Great insurance if one of our studs goes down, but would love to see the money spent fixing other holes in the roster.
Poli
Adams for Julio and a 1st. Or Adams for Julio and a 2nd + 3rd.
Can’t see the Hawks trading ANOTHER high draft pick.
Scot04
Won’t happen, but if I could get a 2022 1st and Jones for Adams I’d do it in a minute.
Sean-O
I can’t see SEA going into the ’22 draft w/out a 1st & a 2nd round pick along with the cap hit for ’21it would take. As fun as it sounds I’d bet it’s just ATL using rumors to get more out of the teams that are seriously making a run at Julio.
Mick
Rob I’m on board with all your arguments. Eskridge might even be a better fit for a 3rd WR role, and we block his progress. Not to mention one of the UDFAs could be a great positive surprise.
I’d rather considering investing in Gilmore.
CaptainJack
So yeah, apparently F the draft?
No, please god no. I don’t want to lose more picks. I like the draft more than actually winning the super bowl.
CaptainJack
To be fair if the trade includes Adams make it yesterday.
So PCJS are like the mark at the poker table then?
Scot04
When it came to the Adams trade, I would say yes. Which is the only reason I’m worried about an Adams 2.0.
Yes Jones is older; but same situation in that we have depth at WR and it’s not our position of greatest need.
I’ll be hoping we see him in the AFC shortly after June 1st.
Scot04
I feel similar to a Julio Jones trade as I did the Adams trade before it happened. It made no sense & I didn’t see the fit; plus we were deep at Safety.
That’s how I felt when he was rumored to be avaliable for possibly a 1st & 3rd.
Now Jones. We’re deep at receiver and rumors of a high 2nd or one team with a 1st.
I just hope it’s not Adams 2.0
Seahawks aquire Adams for a 2022 3rd and a 2023 1st.
I was mistaken to dismiss the Adams trade as possible, so I’ll just hope it doesn’t happen again.
“Eerily too similar; we have depth at the position and not a huge need.”
I am against this trade. To me if we trade for Julio Jones we risk the danger of going to “pay” as if we had the old Julio Jones. It is not only the money but the loss of draft pick. The money we would save by taking a drafted player. My final objection is the loss of a draft pick.
I do not see how getting Julio Jones for the loss of a draft pick strengthens the overall roster of the team. It does for the WR’s and to an extent the offense. Yet the defense and offense could suffer from the lost of a draft pick. I wonder if Carroll is trying to have his cake and eat it too. Trade draft picks away for veterans.
Where is the real smart long term investment in building the roster of the Seattle Seahawks.
Thank you Rob for an interesting broadcast.
• I was told a while ago by a source I trust that the Falcons would accept a hard second-round pick in 2022 (no condition on Jones’ playing time) with no responsibility to pay Jones any of the $38 million he has coming. That seems like the most logical outcome, and my guess is a hard second-rounder is already on the table from some team. Pro Football Talk reported Sunday that people around the league feel Tennessee is the most likely candidate to get Jones, and I could see that. The Titans would have to move money around this year, but they’re in good shape to handle Jones’ contract in 2022 and ’23.
I hear Nashville is a lovely city Julio. Besides, Clay Travis lives there and you could hang out with him
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Oh crap, I just screwed that up didn’t I? Scratch the Travis point Julio, Music City and all that good stuff.
Jordan
Nashville is a great town (even when accounting for the presence of insufferable Clay), and I don’t even like country music.
Broadway, the arena, and the stadium all within a stone’s throw of each other.
Good discussion and all the points were hit. Cool new toy but there are bigger needs and more logical moves to make then trading for a injury prone 32 year old WR that cost a bundle. The idea of not having neither a first or a second round pick next year is not something that appeals to me.
All I see is 12s
Not sure if anyone listened this week, and I don’t listen to the whole thing as most of her talk is baseball and golf – but on Brock and Salks podcast Brock had a couple of nuggets.
1. Based on the games for Atlanta that he covered this year, he said that the Seahawks absolutely do not want Julio Jones. That his hamstrings are done and implied he is a liability. He described all the work that it takes to get Julio even ready for a single game.
2. He also implied but he had knowledge that the Seahawks had already made an offer to adams and they were going to stand on that offer. He said that he did not know if it was adams or his agent or his family or whoever holding it up but that adams was going to try to push for more money and the Seahawks were not going to budge. I thought it interesting that he mentioned Adams, family.
3. Also, he mumbled some thing about not working he NFL games this year.
Not sure if this is useful than I thought I would put it out there.
Sea Mode
The Adams Family…
All I see is 12s
As I wrote it I thought about making the joke. LOL. I resisted, but I appreciate you mentioning it.
I did think it’s somewhat unusual that Huard mentioned Jamal‘s family. Normally we blame the hold up on the player or the agent, but not usually the players family. I don’t think Brock mentions that unless there is at least the rumor family members being involved somehow.
RugbyLock
They’re here all week folks!
KD
My initial reaction, and I still believe it to be the case, is that this is just Schnieder kicking the tires and doing his due diligence. Plenty of other teams out there with more capital and cap space.
Mick
That would be alright, as long as we don’t get RW worked out on the idea of getting Julio Jones and end up with another signing he wanted not done.
Silly Billy
The Seahawks don’t have the cap or the draft capital to trade for Julio. The only real tradable asset we have is Jamal Adams. So, to me, these Julio rumors just mean the contract talks with Adams aren’t going as smoothly as planned. Inquiring ATL about a possible Julio/Adams trade may give the Hawks leverage, and/or an out in case these contracts talks totally blow up.
In terms of value, I bet the talks include Jamal Adams for Julio+ day-3 picks.
I see this situation similar to the time when we (later) found out trading RW3 for the #1 pick was discussed the year his massive contract was signed. I don’t actually think the Hawks wanted to trade Russ, but they needed an out in case.
I wasn’t able to watch the live stream, so if this was already talked about, y bad.
Sea Mode
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·33m
Exactly 100 days until the Cowboys and Bucs kick off the NFL regular season on Thursday, September 9.
cha
YOU’RE NOT HELPING
Corbin Smith
@CorbinSmithNFL
Something to keep tabs on. If the Seahawks remain in the mix to trade for Julio Jones, Alton Robinson could be an intriguing player to include in deal. Falcons need all the help they can get rushing the passer, while Seahawks now have a surplus of defensive ends.
7:27 AM · Jun 1, 2021
Nathan M
So “you can never have too many weapons”, but dont worry about depth on the d-line? I think he forgets “you can never have too many pass rushers”
cha
Yeah. This is the team that sat Robinson so they could use Luke Willson for…I’m not sure what, and gave Benson Mayowa 90% of the snaps.
Predictably, Mayowa broke down and missed 3 games.
One of which, they were so low on DE depth they yanked their 6th round Tight End project up onto the active roster and gave him DE snaps.
Matt
I think we all agree…the pathway to a Super Bowl is definitely trading pass rushers on rookie deals for a 32 year old, uber expensive WR who would be #3 on your team.
DW
Playing 4D checkers while others are playing chess
Matt
Seahawks FO playing 8D Hungry Hippos. It’s just not fair to the rest of the league.
AlaskaHawk
What this team needs is another overly expensive player who thinks highly of himself and dreams of the mega bucks he will make on his next contrac.
Matt
100%. If anything, we should seriously consider not even playing any OL or DL.
Wait a minute, Pete said they spent it on (the 53rd ranked) Safety.
Ashish
If hawks need to sign/trade anyone that will be Center. We have DK, Tyler as an establish WR why you need to sign expensive and give up draft capital for 32 years old. Don’t forget we need to sign DK soon. Oh you know you gave everything for Adams.. Now i want some other team to trade Julio and get this over
CaptainJack
If we traded Robinson for Jones I would boycott the season.
Mick
This would be an extremely bad deal for us, and I can only hope this rumor does not stem from the team. Alton is someone I’d definitely keep around. I’d be fine with giving up Swain or LJ Collier 🙂
CaptainJack
Titans, please please PLEASE get this trade done.
I do not want to give up draft capital and good young defenders for Jones.
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
Talks on a potential Zach Ertz trade have been ongoing for quite some time but fairly quiet of late. At least three TE-needy teams have looked into this. Eagles have made clear they won’t part for nothing in return, making a release unlikely. Things could pick back up this week.
6:41 AM · Jun 1, 2021
32 Year Old banged up TE with an $8.5m salary in 2021.
Don’t make me squirt you with the bottle, Seahawks.
CaptainJack
I wouldn’t consider the Seahawks as tight end “needy”. We have good number two tight ends and a young second year tight end with lots of potential. Not the strongest group but not justifiable to make a trade to add to it.
CaptainJack
Jamal Adams was rated the 10th best safety in the nfl by PFF. Yet we gave up draft capital to get him like he was a hall of fame level safety.
Jordan
Certainly on a HOF trajectory, in terms of resume, to this point in his career.
25 years old, 4 seasons in, with: All Rookie team; 3 x Pro Bowl, 1 X 1st team All-Pro; 2 x 2nd Team All Pro. And the wins will start to add up now that he is a Seahawk.
Without looking up other HOF safeties, in comparison, I would think that historically that resume stacks up pretty positively by age 25 or over the first 4 seasons.
Matt
…and it STILL feels like they gave up too much for him.
PFF though. They also Ranked Budda 16th. Pretty sure dude was 1st team all pro. They’re silly. Position group rankings are pretty great through them, not individual grades. Right?
J
Last year.
TJ
Every time I hear “Seahawks” and “trade,” I cringe. At some point, they won’t be a 12 win team picking in the late 20s. I say hell no to Julio. Great player in his day, but he’s too old, too brittle, and makes too much money. We have our Julio in DK.
BobbyK
I don’t see this team as Julio Jones away from winning a Super Bowl. I’d rather spend money on Sheldon Robinson if they somehow have money to blow on an aging player and keep all their draft picks.
I know Julio is a special player, or was, but players on rookie contracts are gold in comparison to old players that make too much money.
CaptainJack
Agreed.
Jones just means less looks towards Eskridge, Metcalf, any other young receivers who emerge (Terry, Swain, Johnson).
We need defensive reinforcements badly.
Poli
They can sign Richardson/Atkins, Sherman, Reiter, and KJ for around the same cap hit as Julio without giving up draft capital.
Please sign those guys please.
Poli
Though it would be entertaining to see DK, Julio, Lockett, Eskridge on the field.
Wouldn’t complain either way I suppose.
L80
I don’t know about Y’all but when I look at the group of CB’s they have assembled it leaves a LOT to be desired and most of them are on 1 year deals.
It’s CLEARLY the defense that needs reinforcements.
There wouldn’t be much of Eskridge on the field barring an injury to the other 3
Griz94
I wouldn’t spend cap space or draft capital until after June 1st cuts start rolling in. With cap issues you might pickup 2-3 really good players for the $15m cap space without needing to spend draft capital. I wouldn’t want to miss an opportunity to pickup a player like Trey Flowers or Fletcher Cox. Heck you might even get Jones, without the contract burden.
Paul Cook
I refuse to believe the Hawks are at all seriously considering moving young talent and/or draft picks for Jones. They picked Eskridge to be our new 3rd receiver. Are they doubting themselves already?
I don;t think this is real.
pdway
most likely explanation, if it’s true, is that RW wants to add as many weapons as possible – and so the team is obliged to at least look into it.
as pointed out – we just dont have the draft capital, and it’s a good position group already – so seems like just a rumor that will go away.
question though – what if the trade was Lockett and a 3rd rounder for Julio?
cha
They’d have to eat $34m in dead money to trade Lockett now.
Scot04
I’d prefer Lockett over Jones. Plus he already fits here and has that chemistry with Wilson.
BruceN
Before the draft, I would say they may be serious. But after the draft, I agree with you. In addition to Eskridge, we also picked up two very good UDFA receivers in Cade Johnson and Tammorion Terry. For the money it would take to sign him I would pick up Reiter and Sherman. And could pick up an insurance tackle like Moses or Leno with a little more money.
cha
Just a quick look at the contract for Julio Jones.
He has his entire $15.3m salary guaranteed in 2021, and $2m of his 2022 salary is guaranteed.
The flexibility the Seahawks have is to convert 2021 salary to bonus and spread it over the three seasons. It looks like this if they take the max to spread out:
2021 – $1.075m vet min salary + $4.741m bonus proration = $5.816m cap hit
2022 – $11.513m salary + $4.741m bonus proration = $16.254m cap hit ($11.483m dead cap if cut,
$4.77m savings)
2023 – $11.513m salary + $4.741m bonus proration = $16.254m cap hit ($4.741m dead cap if cut)
This is assuming the Hawks can rework Julio’s contract, and that Julio isn’t wanting a new contract/pay raise from his new team.
Ashish
Unless we win super bowl it will be disaster. Making such trade make sense if that’s only missing piece. We already screwed our team building on draft for Adams. Adams is atleast young but Jones is one injury away oh god.. help.
I liked the new rules from last year, especially the expanded PS and eligibility requirements (more vets allowed). I hope they keep them all.
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Neil Stratton
@InsideTheLeague
·16m
The #Panthers have hired former #Seahawks West area scout Tyler Ramsey as the team’s new national scout. Ramsey spent 12 yrs w/Seattle with then-DPP Scott Fitterer, now the GM at Carolina. #NFL
cha
Kraken don’t win the lottery but move up a spot and will draft #2 overall.
Dumpster fire Buffalo sabres will draft #1.
Jordan
Great spot. Two player draft in terms of sure thing blue chips.
And you get to do what Buffalo doesn’t.
Brik
Pretty big deal. There is a consensus that a big D guy is gonna go first overall. A few guys they might be eyeing and I’m hoping for a shooter. The expansion draft is more important though since every other player will come from that. That was supposed to be this month, idk if it changed.
I was not for the Jamal Adams trade at the time and I’m still against it in retrospect.
That being said, I have a former student who is an NFL scout (which is awesome) and he told me although these PFT rankings are pretty decent overall – that there is serious flaws, too.
They rank Jamal Adams as the best safety in the NFL. I know the other rankings aren’t so kind, but it is comforting to know that one NFL team believes he is the best safety (free or strong).
Still would have rather have had Javonte Williams AND Ben Cleveland (or Meinerz) THIS past draft AND their #1 in ’22 over Adams though (never mind all the salary saved for guys like Sheldon Richardson, Richard Sherman, etc.).
TJ
I’m with you. I thought they gave up too much then, and still believe so today. I also agree with your student’s assessment of PFT. It may be a good evaluation tool, but probably shouldn’t be used as the only evaluation tool. Each team will have their own metrics and I would imagine player’s grades vary greatly from team to team.
cha
Ethan Cadeaux
@Ethan_Cadeaux
Terry McLaurin says he worked out with former Seahawks WR Doug Baldwin this offseason to work on his releases.
“If I can win at the line, that gives me an advantage. That’s something I wanted to hone in on this year.”
8:10 AM · Jun 3, 2021
Sea Mode
If only…
uptop
A play that I’m excited for is to see maybe DK on that Robert woods inside run counter, I think it can get dk in space and utilize him better than a jet sweep, the only hard part is that it would be hard to hide that dude in the backfield
Jordan
That would certainly catch the attention of the defense and be a great decoy if nothing else. I’m not sure how quickly DK can turn a corner though. Once he has the corner – gone! But like that long TD vs the 49ers I think he needs a bit of a wide berth to gain the corner when working horizontally, as I am not sure how sudden he is.
I definitely envision Eskridge doing that. And Everett was actually used on that from time to time as well for an interesting wrinkle. I’d also like to see some touches for Penny in space, as pre-injury he was proving to be a threat to score long TDs.
Get DK the ball in that gap behind the linebackers and let him work.
Look at how much room Mosely gives him off the ball. Now that is respect.
Pause the video at :03 and remind yourself DK scored on the play. He’s got 5 defenders in the open field.
Mosely slipped on the coverage and then decided to slow to a jog, assuming Greenlaw would make the tackle. DK smokes Greenlaw like he’s standing still and Mosely can’t catch up because he wasn’t pursuing hard enough. The corner gets blocked out by Hollister because he does the same thing – assumes his teammates will make a play.
Oh, DK only has straight line speed and his 3 cone was terrible? He’s the size of an aircraft carrier, but watch him bank like an F16 and jet up the sideline with an inch of daylight.
It’ll be ideal for DK since rather than a sweep he get be north south really quick. You could also run a screen to him out of this set.
Jordan
That’s interesting, thanks for sharing.
My concern would be that that is a pretty high traffic area, and DK doesn’t have the cleanest hands. And he’d be taking on linebackers there instead of dbs.
uptop
The way you block it (especially with a lead blocking pulling G) would make it surprisingly open, especially because of the counter action. What makes it effective and open space is that its a counter, so it would have to be set up by running the outside zone (inside zone for us, works either way but in that play its set up for OZ) which gets the linebackers and safeties flowing. Even though its inside its a lot more open that what you’d think, it just takes a good playcaller to set it up
uptop
Run inside zone, screens, and pop passes out of that set a lot, and boom hit them with that counter, it gets the ball in DKs hands and itll be fun to see him running full steam downfield
uptop
Run a fold with DK in the middle of the field. I really like this set and the creativity that it could bring. There is just so many exciting things that I hope Waldron can bring from the Rams, we have the players that can implement it.
Mach 1.7 supersonic commercial flights might be coming as early 2029 (or so I read on a Google news piece today. If that happens, flights from Europe to NY could be 3.5 hrs. That’s not bad. Europe could be in play.
IG: JosinaAnderson
@JosinaAnderson
Source tonight on the Julio Jones situation in part: “Everyone is giving (the Falcons) time to think about it…..”
This from 1 team preferring to deal a high mid-rounder for the 7x Pro Bowler w/ 6 straight 1300+sea before ’20, & for ATL to take on a good share of Jones’ salary.
6:27 PM · Jun 3, 2021
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The interesting thing about the team source who checked in on the Julio Jones watch tonight from my previous tweet is that they admitted there’s more “intrigue” in the sit’n now than they indicated last week–but* only at the right price for them.
Frank
I don’t think Julio is going to see a very fast drop off in his ability. He is an absolute genetic freak, even if he loses a step he’s still has NFL atheism given how long he’s had mastering his craft for another 3-5 years. I agree it’s not a trade I’d make unless it started being 3-5 rounder. I do see some value in DK getting to study under Jones, but expect Jones still wants his 1300 yards a year and that’s just not going to happen in Seattle. The salary actually doesn’t sound horrible after this year, don’t think that will be a deal breaker. I just can’t see receiver being a bigger need than DT, and think the deva factor and demands for yard will keep it from ever happening.
I’d rather ask how many PBU or INTs a safety managed than how many sacks he got (were created for him)
cha
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
Checking in on a top free agent: Ex-#Bengals All-Pro and Pro Bowl DT Geno Atkins has a checkup with #Cowboys team doctor Dan Cooper in a few weeks and is expected to be cleared from a torn rotator cuff by July 1, source said. Multiple teams remain interested. He’ll be deliberate.
11:24 AM · Jun 4, 2021
I think we need a 2 hour live stream to discuss his contract.
Troy
might as well make it 4
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Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo
·2h
The #Seahawks love Michael Dickson, which is why they locked him up long-term now. With incentives and escalators based on performance, he can earn $4 million per year in new money, which would be tops among punters.
The funny thing about this is that my (and it seems most Hawk fans) reaction to this is not a meme. This is a huge signing, well deserved and VERY important. He’s the best punter in the NFL, and a great punter is a DEVASTATING weapon if you have a defense that can hold the field position he gives you.
“if you have a defense that can hold the field position he gives you”
Sigh
KD
eveythingisfine.meme
STTBM
Like many here, I dig Julio, have since he was in college. But he’s expensive and old, and we have bigger needs elsewhere
Funny enough, seems to me like the perfect recipe for another mind boggling Carrol trade….I’m joking. I think.
Trading Alton for him is nuts in my opinion. He’s a really good prospect, and we need him. I thought it weird last year when Carrol didn’t activate him early in the season when we had no DEs left….and weirder he didn’t like Alton deliberately gaining weight, despite the fact it didn’t seem to slow him. Rampant speculation alert: perhaps Carrol wasn’t into drafting him, or he was pissed Robinson gained weight…Maybe Robinson sees himself competing at spots that require more bulk, and Carrol saw him elsewhere and wanted him lighter. That’s my best guess, given Carrols comment over the season. But it’s a weird deal. Why would his name even come up as a trade piece?
I would rather see the cap spent to shore up the DT position with a guy like Sheldon Richardson than an expensive aging WR. I think we’re an injury or two away from having a DT catastrophe. But apparently Seattle doesn’t see it that way.
Just my take:
Alton + draft picks for Julio =🙅♂️
Dickson extension = 👍😁
DW
Couple interesting new numbers:
Quandre – 6
Dunlap- 8 🙃
uptop
What is it with Carlos and just choosing awful numbers
Spectator
Not sure what you are talking about. I think 8 is gonna look sweet coming off the edge. Love the change.
uptip
Seahawks number font makes most single digits look weird
KD
RANDOM THOUGHT: I never understood the obsession that some players have with jersey numbers. The greats just stick with the number assigned to them (Griffey=24, Jordan=23, etc). I get why a lot of players would want to have a connection to a childhood hero or a mentor, but I’m the kind of person who would rather accept a random number and and hope that jersey number gets retired one day. In a past life, if that ever did happen, I would absolutely wear #69 just to make that number famous. Somehow.
“24 became synonymous with Ken Griffey Jr. Griffey chose it after hitting 24 home runs one season between his high school and summer baseball teams, and he wore it throughout his 13 seasons with the Mariners.” That is what I got when I googled “why did Griffey wear 24”.
Some numbers are just worse than others. Single digits are all elite no matter what level or sport you’re playing. Double numbers have added value for any range (11,22,55, etc.) 10-19 are good, with added value to the lower ones. 18,19 are pretty lame. 20s are better than the 30s and 40s for RBs and DBs typically. Some grace can be given to 32, 44 but the rest are pretty abrasive. In my experience, I’d you saw a DB wearing an upper 30 or a 40 of any kind, you know he’s about to get burnt deep. 60s are fine for interior lineman, not tackles. Same can be said for 50s. 70s are elite for tackles. 90s for DL with some flexibility for DE/EDGE to wear 50s. 80s have kind of been put by the wayside except for TEs.
(This is all totally subjective and just fun but I think has some universal truth)
Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
If traded, Julio Jones wants to go to a contender, as most big-name players want, but one other thing I’ve heard intrigues: A big-armed QB that can deliver the deep ball. Jones wants to outrun DBs and get underneath the ball.
7:54 AM · Jun 5, 2021
Najee Harris wearing Beast Mode brand clothes throwing out the first pitch in Pittsburgh today. Man what could have been. That Jamal trade was a real blunder when you look at some cheap talent we could’ve picked up. Jamal and a 4th vs Najee, tons of great options with our 3rd (Davis, Meinerz, Cleveland, Molden), McDougald, not having to pay jamal and carson
Naw c’mon man, read above, Jamal is on a HOF trajectory dontcha know?
Kenny Sloth
This is true
Sea Mode
It’s over
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·11m
Sources: The #Falcons are trading All-Pro WR Julio Jones to the #Titans in exchange for at least a 2nd round pick. A blockbuster for Tennessee, who now gets the coveted big-play threat. And Atlanta ends up with very nice value.
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
·12m
Falcons and Titans still are discussing whether the package for Julio Jones will be a second- and a fifth-round pick, or a second-round pick with a swap of other picks, per sources. But the belief is the agreement will get done.
cha
Well Week 2 just got more interesting.
cha
Will be interesting to see if Atlanta eats any salary in the trade.
Interesting gambit by the Titans.
Letting 26 year old Corey Davis get away with a 3yr $37m/$27m guaranteed deal with the Jets, and then paying a 2nd round pick for 32 year old Julio with 3 yr $38m/$17.3m guaranteed left on his contract.
Ashish
So happy it’s done ✔ hawks stayed away
CaptainJack
Here’s the tough truth for titans fans.
2021 Julio Jones is going to be a slight downgrade from 2020 Corey Davis. And they gave up draft capital.
I’m so glad the Seahawks didn’t move a pick or a young player to make this happen. Now we can focus on signing a few more veterans to fill in the defense.
SamprasSultanOfSwat
In regards to Julio Jones going to the Titans. If you are a Seahawk fan you have to be on cloud 9. I sure as hell didn’t want Jones going to the t9ers, Rams or Cardinals. What a relief. The only downside is that the Hawks have to play the Tennessee Titans. But so does the 49ers, Rams and Cardinals. Glad to see Jones go to Tennessee.
Only bummer is that Seattle has the Titans week 2 as cha mentioned when he’ll no doubt be fully healthy and the other teams get them later in the season when he’s much more likely to be out injured.
SamprasSultanOfSwat
Big Mike. I get your point. Yes Julio Jones will be fresh/healthy. But that works both ways. Remember last year with Tom Brady(the Tom Brady). Brady did really feel comfortable/rhythm/connection with his receivers until later in the season.
Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Titans deal for Julio Jones:
— The #Falcons get a 2022 2nd rounder and a 2023 4th rounder.
— The #Titans get Julio Jones & a 6th rounder in 2023.
— The #Titans take on Jones’ salary of $15.3M in 2021 and the rest of the deal.
— #Falcons have $7.75M in dead money this year.
9:18 AM · Jun 6, 2021
Wow. No salary relief for the Titans in the deal.
Rap neglects to mention Falcons have another $15.5m in dead money in future years.
FWIW the writer incorrectly places Lewis at C and says LG is an open question.
Gohawks5151
I’d like to dispute that DL rank but there are too many moving parts still (Aldon Smith status, adding Geno or Sheldon). In my mind they could be in the low 20’s.
I think when healthy the OL is solidly in the low teens, maybe even 12.
Thanks for keeping us going with the updates Cha.
Rohan Raman
Man I’m not sure how the financials would work out or if the injuries are behind him, but I think the Hawks O-Line could be a top 10 unit if Mitchell Schwartz was manning that RT spot.
These rankings, while I agree are subjective, they aren’t that far off either. The Hawks’ o-line not even ranking in the middle and the d-line being near the absolute bottom speaks volumes about how much Wilson means to this team.
It also tells me this team needs to do a lot more short drop/moving pocket, short to intermediate passing stuff to help protect the o-line and control the ball to keep the d-line off the field.
cha
Not a bad buy-low shot
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Former Broncos’ OT Ja’Wuan James, who ruptured his Achilles in April, is signing a two-year deal worth up to $9 million with the Ravens, sources tell ESPN. James still has to pass his physical with the Ravens, but it will not include his current injury and no issues expected.
9:04 AM · Jun 7, 2021
Denver Hawker
He legit doesn’t like football tho. The entire Broncos org wanted him out, FO, coaches, and players.
RugbyLock
Cable really liked that guy and worked him out IIRC.
Gohawks5151
Got some question my friends and I been talking about around the BBQ. Mostly for the PNW and general sports fans.
The Seahawks and the Trail Blazers seem to be in identical situations. How much of it is losing Paul Allen’s leadership? Does getting rid of the current regime fix anything (Blazers already starting)? Does a new Owner fix anything?
The facts:
– Both were owned by Paul Allen and he has publicly heavily involved in both teams.
– Both are currently “1 superstar” centric teams (Russ, Dame) that rely heavily on individual heroics. Both are publicly putting out the “Do better or I’m out” feelers. They have been been beaten primarily by teams with more/better star players.
– Both have not been real threats to win a championship (though Seattle at least won one) in years. This has been marked by the inability to surround their stars with a better team. Many big trades did not yield the desired results. FA’s mostly misses. Draft picks so-so. (Failed transactions SEA: P. Harvin, J. Graham, M. Mcdowell, S. Richardson, F. Clark(Trade), L. Collier, R. Penny, L. Joeckel etc. Failed transactions POR: L. Aldridge(Let him walk), M. Leonard, Z, Collins, C. Swaingan, E. Turner, K. Bazemore etc)
– Both have coaches and front offices that are possibly living off old reputations (SEA- Russ, LOB POR- Dame, CJ, Nurkic, Gary Trent Jr). Both coaches are specialists (Carroll- Defense, Stotts- Offense) that were not able to address the other side of the ball. Both FO’s have operated largely unchecked following PA’s passing.
– Both are known for their stellar culture that players have even left and came back for that reason. However, this hasn’t translated into a big FA signing.
– Both seem to be at a tipping point. Meet the superstars’ demands/expectations or be prepared to move them.
Something to ponder on a Monday
Jordan
-Super clutch big moment superstars who hail from Oakland
Gohawks5151
Lol. Definitely
Jordan
I actually remember having that thought back when both Marshawn and Dame were doing their thing – PA must be loving himself some Oakland athletes right now.
To your larger point – I don’t really see a path to a championship for the Blazers. CJ isn’t a #2 on a championship calibre team, and I don’t see how or who they can get to be an upgrade as that #2 piece.
For the Hawks, I wouldn’t count them out of the championship race entering any given season. The NFC is always unpredictable – there has been 6 unique NFC Champions since the Hawks won it back to back (neither of which have been the Packers or Saints). If the Pederson Eagles, Quinn Falcons, Rivera Panthers or Shanahan 49ers can catch lightning in a bottle for a season before reverting to mediocrity or worse, there’s no reason it can’t be RW/PC – we just don’t know which season it’ll be, but they always punch their ticket to the dance, then it is about being hot and healthy at the right time.
I think with the Hawks, you have so many more blue chip pieces around Russ than Dame has (DK, Tyler, Carson, Brown)
Great post man!
With the Blazers I blame Olshey far more than Stotts. His roster construction around Dame is shit e.g. 30 per to another short Guard that plays no D. As for the Hawks I split the “blame” equally between John and Pete because we really don’t know for sure who is responsible for trades/drafting. With Portland, there’s no doubt.
Gohawks5151
Agree. It does seem to be more on the team building side. For Portland I wish they had a Daryl Morey type who isn’t afraid to swing for the big deal. For Seattle I wish they could find the get out of the “we are the smartest guys in the room” and the “we’ll figure it out later” type mindsets.
cha
Holy smokes. Is the 2020 Curse extending into 2021?
Matt Barrows
@mattbarrows
Bad news from the #49ers. Team reports that OT Justin Skule tore his ACL during Monday’s practice and that S Tarvarius Moore tore an Achilles during the same practice.
8:37 AM · Jun 8, 2021
RugbyLock
Are either of those two starters?
cha
They’re both depth pieces. Think Cedric Ogbuehi and Ryan Neal.
Oh, Michael. Celebrating a big extension with Papa John’s pizza?
A for effort saying Pagliacci’s is better though.
cha
Good Lord…he got slipped a note to say he likes Pizza Hut as well.
cha
Corbin K. Smith
@CorbinSmithNFL
No Chris Carson, Carlos Dunlap, Jamal Adams, Quandre Diggs, Tyler Lockett, Duane Brown for today’s OTAs.
But vast majority of team was out there. I counted 74 players – a few not actually participating. Probably missed a few. #Seahawks
11:56 AM · Jun 8, 2021
cha
Brady Henderson
@BradyHenderson
Among the Seahawks veterans I did not see at today’s OTA (reminder that these are voluntary): Jamal Adams, Duane Brown, Quandre Diggs, Chris Carson, DeeJay Dallas, Travis Homer, Carlos Dunlap, Tyler Lockett, Al Woods, Benson Mayowa, Aldon Smith.
12:04 PM · Jun 8, 2021
cha
Bob Condotta
@bcondotta
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9m
Two players there but who sat out were Dee Eskridge and Rashaad Penny. But this time of year for extreme caution as well.
Bob Condotta
@bcondotta
·
11m
One notable player on field was Marquise Blair. Indeed seems on track for full return this season. Darrell Taylor also a full participant today.
“Darrell Taylor also a full participant today”
Pleasant surprise
Isaac
Not too concerned about that list. It’s just vets and RBs, and both need as much rest as possible.
cha
Brady Henderson
@BradyHenderson
Marquise Blair is back on the field after an ACL year in Week 2 of last year. That cut short what looked as though it had the potential to be a breakout second season. Blair is expected to play nickelback again along with Ugo Amadi.
cha
This I like…
Corbin K. Smith
@CorbinSmithNFL
“There are a lot of different routes that people haven’t seen from the two other teams where he coached.”
DK Metcalf on Shane Waldron’s “intricate” offense.
12:30 PM · Jun 8, 2021
JimQ
A 6-4 FA receiver from North Dakota was just signed, kid doesn’t look too bad, it’s hard to judge his speed, but seems to high-point & win contested catches well, at least in these highlights. Might have a fringe chance and at least will provide competition with the bigger receivers in the fight for a spot. See highlights here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMUIWopAz3g
Was not aware that Rodgers gave up 500K for not showing up to OTAs. Wow. I mean In get that’s not the same to him that it would be to us, but still a chunk.
Blows my mind how naive so many fans are, especially the Russ fanboys. “Well, Pete said everything is ok so it’s just the media trying to stir the pot”.
Wilson went public with a list of teams he’d be willing to be traded to. How simple minded must one be not to see the writing that is clearly on the wall. I think it’s almost guaranteed that Wilson asks to be traded after this season if he isn’t happy with how things turn out.
If Wilson isn’t pressed and challenged on that Schefter tweet, with follow up questions and serious questions as to his long term commitment to the Seahawks, it will be a disgrace.
I’m imagining Russ backstage doing pushups while his PR flack shouts nonsense phrases at him.
‘media overblown’
‘competitive venting’
‘moving forward’
‘opportunity for success’
cha
Gregg Bell
@gbellseattle
Russell Wilson: “Obviously, I love Seattle…I’ve always wanted to play here for my whole career.
“I think there were some unfortunate frustrations (at the end of last season)…unfortunately it got blown out of proportion a little bit.” #Seahawks
@thenewstribune
2:37 PM · Jun 10, 2021
Bob Condotta
@bcondotta
Replying to
@bcondotta
Wilson reiterating he did not request a trade. But he indicates the list that was revealed of teams he would go to is accurate.
2:43 PM · Jun 10, 2021
Gregg Bell
@gbellseattle
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1m
Russell Wilson: “I got my wish, in the sense I wanted to play here.” #Seahawks
Gregg Bell
@gbellseattle
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1m
Russell Wilson won’t directly answer why he had his agent put out four other teams he’d be OK to be traded to. “A lot of confusion…teams were flying around. It’s part of it.”
“The reality is there was a whole thing that I requested a trade. That’s just not true.” #Seahawks
Bob Condotta
@bcondotta
Replying to
@bcondotta
Wilson says his relationship with Carroll could not be stronger and they have had some great talks. Also says he has had great talks with John Schneider. Says all on same page.
2:44 PM · Jun 10, 2021
Bob Condotta
@bcondotta
Replying to
@bcondotta
Wilson says “I’m excited to be here. I’m excited to win.” Definitely trying to say all the right things.
2:46 PM · Jun 10, 2021
One clumsy attempt to put the toothpaste back into the tube.
Rohan Raman
Man, maybe I’ve just got a low standard, but props to the Hawks media for not pretending like nothing unusual happened this offseason. Pretty much every question I’ve heard has been about his offseason comments.
Joe Fann
@Joe_Fann
You’re fooling yourself if you don’t think there were some really challenging conversations between Russell Wilson (and his agent), Pete Carroll and John Schneider this offseason.
“You know what heals all things? Winning.” — Wilson
3:00 PM · Jun 10, 2021
Spot on
Gohawks5151
Ah. The old Tiger Woods quote. “Winning cures everything”. Not wrong I guess
Joe Fann
@Joe_Fann
Takeaways from Russell Wilson’s presser:
— releasing list of four teams was to control the narrative as he felt Seahawks were discussing trades
— there was a rift between him and the team. It is mended for the time being
— winning in 2021 is mandatory for his future in Seattle
3:11 PM · Jun 10, 2021
no frickin clue
As Russ pointed out, he’s got a no-trade clause. The team can’t arbitrarily trade him without his consent.
If they can’t trade him without his consent, and he doesn’t want to leave anyway…then there’s no need for a list of four teams in the first place.
We need Tom Cruise to swoop in, in the role of Lt. Daniel Kaffee, pretend that Russ is Kiefer Sutherland from ‘A Few Good Men’, and grill him on the stand. 🙂
Roy Batty
I would prefer the “Les Grossman” Tom Cruise to help make Russ set the record straight.
#3 would be sitting in a puddle of his own urine after that back and forth.
jopa726
Has Russell Wilson been this honest in one interview in his life?
The job I had previous to the one I currently have was in an office, and I didn’t understand the term “office politics” until I had a job in a corporate office. Thankfully I was just a low level employee who couldn’t threaten anyone, but that made me a person who higher-ups could vent to. Office politics leads to the most phony, fake and disingenuous environments I have ever worked in, and Russ’ interview reeked of it. He gave an HR answer that put all the blame on the higher-ups. “I never did this or that. I don’t know where this is coming from.”
My initial reaction was “Good, this is laid to rest.” But I had to take a step back and realize that Russ instigated all this. He wanted something which is not unreasonable: a greater investment in the O-line. He went about it in a very dickish way though. Go to the media, create drama though your agent and demand the team respond.
He got some of what he wanted in the end. Typical strategy of wanting $10, so you demand $20, but settle on $12. His OL got a + and so did his receivers.
Office politics is an exercise in passive aggressiveness. A passive aggressive stance is the most annoying stance to take, and it is the best way to make people distrust you. Russ created this whole drama, and now he is putting the blame on everyone but himself.
I love Russel Wilson, but there are better ways to do this….like….talking to your coach and GM. Sit down with them and talk. The passive aggressive way Russ went about this just reeks.
BobbyK
Great answer!
KD
Thanks BobbyK
Just to re-iterate, Russ BLAMED EVERYONE ELSE in his media response. “I never requested a trade.” So your agent has gone rouge and just acting without your consent? LOL. Get the f**k out of my face you tw@!
swedenhawk
it’s exactly this disingenuousness that makes me think Russ isn’t capable of leading this team to a championship.
It’s pretty cool that our team considers anything less than a NFC championship appearance a failure. I feel like our offense will be better than last year, or at least more like the first half of the season all year. Our defense is about the same level. I hope they just have more fight in them this year.
Poli
You SHOULD expect to make it far every season with an elite QB.
Roy Batty
I honestly haven’t even looked at the QB’s the Hawks will face this year. However, I can’t see them being the murderers row of incompetent ones they faced the 2nd half of 2020, when they “dominated”.
I get so tired of the narrative some sites state that it was Dunlap showing up that turned everything around. It wasn’t. He certainly helped, but they face good defenses and some incredibly bad offenses in that 2nd half, just as the Hawks offense and defense flipped their respective performances.
Mick
You see, Russ, if you don’t want things to get blown out of proportion you think before you speak. You keep your mouth shut when you’re on tilt. If it itches too much and you can’t, you don’t throw under the bus the ones that have your back. When it gets out of proportion, you don’t add fuel to the fire with your 4 teams list. It’s all on you. And if this year looks like the second half of last year, it won’t be on Pocic, D. Lewis and Shell and it won’t be on the low quality at CB and lack of depth at LB and DT, it will be on the QB. But if we start the conversation at what you need to do better too, we might look at a good season. Everyone in the building is cheering for that.
God of Thunder
“ You see, Russ, if you don’t want things to get blown out of proportion you think before you speak.”
This. But he hadn’t learned it. Maybe now he has.
What we learned. RW isn’t so bright and he really really wants to win. It’s a shame he’s not so bright but I’m glad he’s desperate to win.
As someone said above/earlier, winning fixes everything.
STTBM
My two cents: Russ will blow this up and leave, one way or another, if Seattle doesn’t win big this year. But he still wants to blame the front office and not piss off the fans.
You can’t have it both ways. Even if the disintegration of our great Super Bowl window roster is on them, if Russ leaves, fans will rightfully be pissed at him, not just Management.
I’d say odds are good he’s not here next year, and the odds are great he’s here no more than this year and next.
Russ’s agent is feeble, and so is Seattle’s PR department. They suck at this. It’s like Junior High students planned their handling of this debacle and scripted the Press Conference. And no excuse for Russ struggling to answer questions; if you’re not going to be truthful, then better learn how to spin confidently.
All this stuff is just hot air and disingenuous crap, which we’ve seen from both sides. Bottom line is that if Seattle doesn’t at least get to the NFCCG, he’s gone.
Paul Cook
Well…let’s just hope we can get another decent interior lineman, that what we’ve got in the DB field will be enough, that Eskridge and our TE’s will give us a dynamic passing attack with our new OC and TL/DK, that our OL stays healthy, ditto for our RB’s, that our ST’s remain near the top of the heap… Easy enough.
If Rodgers gets traded or holds out this year, outside of TB, I’m not really nervous about any team outside of our division in the NFC. So there’s that for me.
Playing well in our division, or relative to the other teams in our division, is going to perhaps be more important than ever with all the other drama and the stakes its put on this season.
I see a 4 year $64m extension coming in late July.
MyChestIsBeastMode
Ya, Hoggs, I’ll bet that’s pretty close.
I’m thinking it between $16.5/yr with higher guarantees (which Hawks would be ((rightfully)) apprehensive about given recent injuries) vs $17-18 with lower guarantees and more roster bonus stuff added in to deal (which I imagine Hawks don’t want to pay because that’s a pretty big leap over league leading Safety $$$.
In the end, I think both want to be together and it will happen. If Adams is super stubborn about guarantees then talks will continue into early season, but my gut says things will get locked in before start of regular season. I hope the Hawks somehow get him in the $15+change range but am not overly optimistic about that lower price.
Brik
Are they putting Lewis at LG and Gabe at RG? Not sure why they would both switch sides unless there’s some strategy to it.
Yeah good point. I mean what’s two first rounders, a third and a starting NFL caliber Safety? Freaking chicken feed I tell you.
MyChestIsBeastMode
Rob, your clairvoyance is unmatched by us humble peons in the SDB community
OlyHawksfan
It all boils down to Pete letting Shane, Russ and Co get after it. If he can give them the freedom, and they develop something special, then they might right the ship. Even if they don’t win big in 2021, Russ might think ‘hey we’re really on to something here. Maybe I’ll stick around and be a part of this’.
Just a non- original thought. Thanks Cha and everyone for keeping a dialog going.
“If I were Carroll, I’m saying you’ll never get it as good as you have it here, and I’m turning over the keys to the offense to new coordinator Shane Waldon, whom you approved.”
Great idea. I’d give the chances of Pete doing so at about 35%. Really hopeful of being wrong.
Jordan
Good lord does Chris Carson look like he has put in some serious work this offseason. Impressive.
Sea Mode
Honestly, to me he looks just as jacked as he always has been.
Jordan
True – specimen for sure. But that comes from serious effort when no one is watching as well. Right after a 2nd contract too.
KD
Just glad he is didn’t severely tear or break something due to his dumb trainer.
Aaaaaaand, Rafael “Gas Can” Montero comes in with a 4-1 lead in the bottom of the 9th, gets the first 2 guys out and then snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Final: Indians 5, Mariners 4
Every time I get pissed at the Seahawks, I do need to remember what it’s like to be a fan of the Mariners. What a stinkin’ joke of a franchise.
mr peapants
thats his 6th blown save this year why is he still there?
I don’t know man, I can’t figure it out. I will watch no more Mariners’ games until he’s no longer the “closer”.
Lewis
Dude, what are you talking about? He leads the majors 😂
KD
I’ve been a Mariners fan since 1992, and even though the Mariners were losers around that time, they were still A TON of fun to watch. Griffey, Buhner, Edgar, Tino, Omar Vizquel, Joey Cora, Dan Wilson, Norm Charlton, Randy Johnson, early Ichiro, King Felix. They sucked most of the time, but man, they were fun to watch.
I don’t think I have watched a Mariners game in the last 10 years. They are the avatars of mediocrity. Gods of the mundane. The knights of boring. Honestly, if the team got re-located, I would not care.
Kenny Sloth
Sounders undefeated just sayin
swedenhawk
For what it’s worth, Tony Pauline is intrigued by two of the Seahawks’ UDFAs: Bryan Mills and Aashari Crosswell.
Rob a quick question for you do you think there is any possibility that the reason the Seahawks didn’t redue or restructure Russ contact is there is a possibility of Russ getting traded next off season?
If they did the max restructure (create $12m of cap room), their dead cap if they traded him in 2022 would go from $26m to $38m. (And the cap room trading Russ opens up drops from $11m to $5m).
And furthermore, if…IF…they want to go the other way, and then to try and sign Russ to another extension, the danger of restructuring is there will be a nearly 30% ‘penalty’ on his next contract.
How? Russ currently has a $40m cap number in 2023. So the negotiating base for another extension (two franchise tags) is $105.6m.
If they max restructure, the 2023 number is $46m and the negotiating base balloons to $121.4m. A whopping $15m extra for restructuring $12m of money in 2021.
Without doubt everyone is keeping their options open
Brik
PC and JS don’t make a habit of restructuring contracts. I’m sure that making players more costly to trade or release is part of it. A lot of people see the possibility of him being traded next year. How far we get will either increase or decrease the chances of that happening.
Last season, the Lions had five guys playing safety for them, and those five guys gave up a total of 13 touchdowns to just two interceptions. They probably could have used the services of Diggs, but they traded him to the Seahawks for a fifth-round pick less than two years after giving him a three-year, $18.6 million contract extension that had him under club control through the 2021 season. Instead, Diggs was of great benefit to Seattle’s defense — especially as a deep-third defender. Free safety had been a mystery position for Pete Carroll’s defense since the breakup with Earl Thomas, and Diggs put it right again in 2020, allowing 12 catches on 20 targets for 209 yards, 57 yards after the catch, three touchdowns, five interceptions, four pass breakups, and an opponent passer rating of 95.6. With all the talk about Jamal Adams as Seattle’s defensive “weapon,” it was Diggs’ attention to the deep third that allowed Adams (and others) to move around to different roles.
Sea Mode
Bob Condotta
@bcondotta
·17h
Wright’s situation isn’t really about money or cap space. The Seahawks just want to turn over the WLB and SLB spots to Jordyn Brooks and Darrell Taylor.
cha
2021 Cap Dollars Allocated to active players
LB $23.4m (2.5 LBs on the field at any given time)
S $16.9m (2.25 Safeties on the field at any given time)
DL $18.98m ($23.98m w Reed’s $5m dead hit) (4 DL on the field at any given time)
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Recent Draft Picks Allocated to active players
LB – 5 (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 5th)
S – 4 (1st, 1st, 3rd, 5th, (4th in return), another 2nd if you want to count Blair)
DL – 4 (1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th)
cha
Mike Klis
@MikeKlis
Former Seattle LB Shaquem Griffin is visiting the Broncos today, per source. He will be one of several players participating in minicamp on a tryout basis.
Remarkable story. Lost his left hand when he was 4. His only NFL start was against Broncos in 2018 opener. #9sports
9:02 AM · Jun 14, 2021
Roy Batty
I had the unfortunate opportunity to listen to John Clayton, recently. The guy is so completely full of himself that he loves yelling about how the Russ situation was completely made-up. He, quite literally, interrupts anyone asking him about Russ and yells an, “I told you so” every chance he gets.
At this point, he has become comic relief for me. Listening to “The Professor” make statements about players and teams that are so damned obvious to anyone with at least 5% of the brain capacity working at any time. He is so smug, yet the Seattle sports media bow before him as if he still has any relevance, whatsoever.
My favorite is when he tells the hosts that he had a recent conversation with some old NFL coach about such and such and he said this and that. And we are supposed to believe that the old coach he is referring to has any knowledge, whatsoever, of insider information, when that info he has was trending all over social media for a week, already?
Schefter and all the younger in-the-knows are sprinting at Bolt speeds, all while The Professor is waiting for his Hoveround to recharge.
Jordan
Currently in Seattle, I find that the guys who are most frequently on the ball when it comes to the Hawks are Heaps and Bumpus. Avril was also pretty dialed in on the Russ story it seemed, and reiterated that he wasn’t going anywhere.
12th chuck
he also finds a need to bring up compensatory picks any chance he gets.
“Watching guys in our division trade their first-round picks away,” Shanahan said. “Seattle just traded two first-round picks away for a safety, a very good one [Jamal Adams]. The Rams have done it for a corner [Jalen Ramsey], they’ve done it for a quarterback [Matthew Stafford]. Three years prior to that, they did it every single year for a receiver whether it was Brandin Cooks, Sammy Watkins.
“I didn’t see it as monumental as everyone else did. I probably would have 10 years ago, but I watched people make these decisions the last few years, and it’s grown on me. It isn’t the biggest risk in the history of football like I always thought growing up.”
“Just watching the success the Rams and Seattle have had, when we knew we could move up to get a quarterback, it pumped me up. Especially to do it early, because then you can lay out a plan and which direction you want to go, whether it’s free agency and the rest of the draft.”
“The salary cap is a big, huge part of all this, and John [Lynch] and I had a huge plan trying to build this team and we were going to go into our fourth year building this team expecting to have a $230 million [salary cap] and then all of a sudden it’s [$180 million].
“Having $50 million taken out of what your plans had been over three years changes a lot of stuff. Then when you have an opportunity to get a rookie quarterback the way that it is with the contracts, it felt like it could give us a chance to build this thing right again over these next four years and makes it a lot easier to do it.”
Interesting. Although it should be noted, the teams he ref’d trading first round picks for, got proven talent in return.
He’s also still paying JimmyG too, although not sure what’s left of the guaranteed $ at this point.
The comment (read it as laughing) about Seattle trading two for a S, had me shaking my head as some writers have suggested SF may have been in on that deal and driving the price up.
Russell Wilson just got to Seattle, but he didn’t just start working on learning Shane Waldron’s offense. Wilson and his new coordinator had actually been working over Zoom to get the quarterback indoctrinated for weeks before he reported last Monday, I’m told—and Wilson was incorporating what he was learning from Waldron into his on-field work in San Diego. And that work allowed Waldron and the offensive staff to focus on the overall communication between players during their first week together, which should grease the skids for a productive minicamp with pieces new (Gabe Jackson, Gerald Everett, D’Wayne Eskridge) and old (D.K. Metcalf, Tyler Lockett, Will Dissly, Duane Brown, etc.) coming together.
I’d keep my eye on this group the next couple of months. Waldron was the only offensive coach that Sean McVay brought with him straight from Washington and was a valuable sounding board in L.A. for the head coach the last four years. A lot of people in that Shanahan coaching tree have long thought Waldron’s capable of killing it in the sort of role he just got.
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Great stream Rob! Always great to hear from you guys
Totally agree nice to see a video up again. Thanks guys.
Not a chance. He’s expensive and on the decline. But, it doesn’t hurt to up the price for others by getting in the game.
I don’t see Julio coming to SEA… For the exact reasons you brought up, its overkill on offense and it’s stealing from others. I could see this creating turmoil more than anything. I think Metcalf, Lockett, Eskridge and Everett is a good group.
If we are to spend more money right now, I’d be curious to see what your thoughts are regarding the likes of Geno Atkins (DT) and Austin Reiter (C)? I could see Reiter being an upgrade over Pocic and while we signed Pocic to a $3M deal, I don’t think that locks him in at starter.
I’d think this had some merit, perhaps, if we hadn’t just drafted Eskridge. As is, I can’t help but think this works be taking snaps away from young receivers that need them.
And I agree: C, DL, or RB would be bigger needs
You could give them Eskridge for Jones and get a pick next year on the back end, maybe?
Only way to do this trade is if you can agree to ship Adams out. However it does screw over Eskridge. I don’t see four receivers all being very productive in this offense.
I gather Russell Wilson would like to see this happen. So would I, but I’d also like to wake up next to Penelope Cruz.
I’d rather add a kick ass CB. However, admittedly this would be great insurance if DK or Lockett get hurt.
That’s the only valid argument IMO. Great insurance if one of our studs goes down, but would love to see the money spent fixing other holes in the roster.
Adams for Julio and a 1st. Or Adams for Julio and a 2nd + 3rd.
Can’t see the Hawks trading ANOTHER high draft pick.
Won’t happen, but if I could get a 2022 1st and Jones for Adams I’d do it in a minute.
I can’t see SEA going into the ’22 draft w/out a 1st & a 2nd round pick along with the cap hit for ’21it would take. As fun as it sounds I’d bet it’s just ATL using rumors to get more out of the teams that are seriously making a run at Julio.
Rob I’m on board with all your arguments. Eskridge might even be a better fit for a 3rd WR role, and we block his progress. Not to mention one of the UDFAs could be a great positive surprise.
I’d rather considering investing in Gilmore.
So yeah, apparently F the draft?
No, please god no. I don’t want to lose more picks. I like the draft more than actually winning the super bowl.
To be fair if the trade includes Adams make it yesterday.
This
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/julio-jones-rumors-deandre-hopkins-trade-taught-us-teams-arent-willing-to-pay-big-price-for-superstar-wrs/
No one saw two 1sts & a 3rd for a Safety either.
After that trade any team wants us involved when trading away a player.
So PCJS are like the mark at the poker table then?
When it came to the Adams trade, I would say yes. Which is the only reason I’m worried about an Adams 2.0.
Yes Jones is older; but same situation in that we have depth at WR and it’s not our position of greatest need.
I’ll be hoping we see him in the AFC shortly after June 1st.
I feel similar to a Julio Jones trade as I did the Adams trade before it happened. It made no sense & I didn’t see the fit; plus we were deep at Safety.
That’s how I felt when he was rumored to be avaliable for possibly a 1st & 3rd.
Now Jones. We’re deep at receiver and rumors of a high 2nd or one team with a 1st.
I just hope it’s not Adams 2.0
Seahawks aquire Adams for a 2022 3rd and a 2023 1st.
I was mistaken to dismiss the Adams trade as possible, so I’ll just hope it doesn’t happen again.
“Eerily too similar; we have depth at the position and not a huge need.”
It will annoy the blog, therefore it shall be…
Makes too much sense
I am against this trade. To me if we trade for Julio Jones we risk the danger of going to “pay” as if we had the old Julio Jones. It is not only the money but the loss of draft pick. The money we would save by taking a drafted player. My final objection is the loss of a draft pick.
I do not see how getting Julio Jones for the loss of a draft pick strengthens the overall roster of the team. It does for the WR’s and to an extent the offense. Yet the defense and offense could suffer from the lost of a draft pick. I wonder if Carroll is trying to have his cake and eat it too. Trade draft picks away for veterans.
Where is the real smart long term investment in building the roster of the Seattle Seahawks.
Thank you Rob for an interesting broadcast.
I hear Nashville is a lovely city Julio. Besides, Clay Travis lives there and you could hang out with him
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Oh crap, I just screwed that up didn’t I? Scratch the Travis point Julio, Music City and all that good stuff.
Nashville is a great town (even when accounting for the presence of insufferable Clay), and I don’t even like country music.
Broadway, the arena, and the stadium all within a stone’s throw of each other.
Yeah I have heard that.
Good discussion and all the points were hit. Cool new toy but there are bigger needs and more logical moves to make then trading for a injury prone 32 year old WR that cost a bundle. The idea of not having neither a first or a second round pick next year is not something that appeals to me.
Not sure if anyone listened this week, and I don’t listen to the whole thing as most of her talk is baseball and golf – but on Brock and Salks podcast Brock had a couple of nuggets.
1. Based on the games for Atlanta that he covered this year, he said that the Seahawks absolutely do not want Julio Jones. That his hamstrings are done and implied he is a liability. He described all the work that it takes to get Julio even ready for a single game.
2. He also implied but he had knowledge that the Seahawks had already made an offer to adams and they were going to stand on that offer. He said that he did not know if it was adams or his agent or his family or whoever holding it up but that adams was going to try to push for more money and the Seahawks were not going to budge. I thought it interesting that he mentioned Adams, family.
3. Also, he mumbled some thing about not working he NFL games this year.
Not sure if this is useful than I thought I would put it out there.
The Adams Family…
As I wrote it I thought about making the joke. LOL. I resisted, but I appreciate you mentioning it.
I did think it’s somewhat unusual that Huard mentioned Jamal‘s family. Normally we blame the hold up on the player or the agent, but not usually the players family. I don’t think Brock mentions that unless there is at least the rumor family members being involved somehow.
They’re here all week folks!
My initial reaction, and I still believe it to be the case, is that this is just Schnieder kicking the tires and doing his due diligence. Plenty of other teams out there with more capital and cap space.
That would be alright, as long as we don’t get RW worked out on the idea of getting Julio Jones and end up with another signing he wanted not done.
The Seahawks don’t have the cap or the draft capital to trade for Julio. The only real tradable asset we have is Jamal Adams. So, to me, these Julio rumors just mean the contract talks with Adams aren’t going as smoothly as planned. Inquiring ATL about a possible Julio/Adams trade may give the Hawks leverage, and/or an out in case these contracts talks totally blow up.
In terms of value, I bet the talks include Jamal Adams for Julio+ day-3 picks.
I see this situation similar to the time when we (later) found out trading RW3 for the #1 pick was discussed the year his massive contract was signed. I don’t actually think the Hawks wanted to trade Russ, but they needed an out in case.
I wasn’t able to watch the live stream, so if this was already talked about, y bad.
YOU’RE NOT HELPING
So “you can never have too many weapons”, but dont worry about depth on the d-line? I think he forgets “you can never have too many pass rushers”
Yeah. This is the team that sat Robinson so they could use Luke Willson for…I’m not sure what, and gave Benson Mayowa 90% of the snaps.
Predictably, Mayowa broke down and missed 3 games.
One of which, they were so low on DE depth they yanked their 6th round Tight End project up onto the active roster and gave him DE snaps.
I think we all agree…the pathway to a Super Bowl is definitely trading pass rushers on rookie deals for a 32 year old, uber expensive WR who would be #3 on your team.
Playing 4D checkers while others are playing chess
Seahawks FO playing 8D Hungry Hippos. It’s just not fair to the rest of the league.
What this team needs is another overly expensive player who thinks highly of himself and dreams of the mega bucks he will make on his next contrac.
100%. If anything, we should seriously consider not even playing any OL or DL.
“the pathway to a Super Bowl is definitely trading pass rushers on rookie deals for a 32 year old, uber expensive WR who would be #3 on your team”
Don’t forget to add: …and spending your top 2021 draft pick on a receiver…
but astute analysis Corbin
Corbin once did a podcast with Walter Jones. He’s up there Lombardi, Belichick when it comes to football prowess.
Never doubt the man.
Wait a minute, Pete said they spent it on (the 53rd ranked) Safety.
If hawks need to sign/trade anyone that will be Center. We have DK, Tyler as an establish WR why you need to sign expensive and give up draft capital for 32 years old. Don’t forget we need to sign DK soon. Oh you know you gave everything for Adams.. Now i want some other team to trade Julio and get this over
If we traded Robinson for Jones I would boycott the season.
This would be an extremely bad deal for us, and I can only hope this rumor does not stem from the team. Alton is someone I’d definitely keep around. I’d be fine with giving up Swain or LJ Collier 🙂
Titans, please please PLEASE get this trade done.
I do not want to give up draft capital and good young defenders for Jones.
https://twitter.com/betonline_ag/status/1399438430782828545
This concerns me.
32 Year Old banged up TE with an $8.5m salary in 2021.
Don’t make me squirt you with the bottle, Seahawks.
I wouldn’t consider the Seahawks as tight end “needy”. We have good number two tight ends and a young second year tight end with lots of potential. Not the strongest group but not justifiable to make a trade to add to it.
Jamal Adams was rated the 10th best safety in the nfl by PFF. Yet we gave up draft capital to get him like he was a hall of fame level safety.
Certainly on a HOF trajectory, in terms of resume, to this point in his career.
25 years old, 4 seasons in, with: All Rookie team; 3 x Pro Bowl, 1 X 1st team All-Pro; 2 x 2nd Team All Pro. And the wins will start to add up now that he is a Seahawk.
Without looking up other HOF safeties, in comparison, I would think that historically that resume stacks up pretty positively by age 25 or over the first 4 seasons.
…and it STILL feels like they gave up too much for him.
PFF though. They also Ranked Budda 16th. Pretty sure dude was 1st team all pro. They’re silly. Position group rankings are pretty great through them, not individual grades. Right?
Last year.
Every time I hear “Seahawks” and “trade,” I cringe. At some point, they won’t be a 12 win team picking in the late 20s. I say hell no to Julio. Great player in his day, but he’s too old, too brittle, and makes too much money. We have our Julio in DK.
I don’t see this team as Julio Jones away from winning a Super Bowl. I’d rather spend money on Sheldon Robinson if they somehow have money to blow on an aging player and keep all their draft picks.
I know Julio is a special player, or was, but players on rookie contracts are gold in comparison to old players that make too much money.
Agreed.
Jones just means less looks towards Eskridge, Metcalf, any other young receivers who emerge (Terry, Swain, Johnson).
We need defensive reinforcements badly.
They can sign Richardson/Atkins, Sherman, Reiter, and KJ for around the same cap hit as Julio without giving up draft capital.
Please sign those guys please.
Though it would be entertaining to see DK, Julio, Lockett, Eskridge on the field.
Wouldn’t complain either way I suppose.
I don’t know about Y’all but when I look at the group of CB’s they have assembled it leaves a LOT to be desired and most of them are on 1 year deals.
It’s CLEARLY the defense that needs reinforcements.
There wouldn’t be much of Eskridge on the field barring an injury to the other 3
I wouldn’t spend cap space or draft capital until after June 1st cuts start rolling in. With cap issues you might pickup 2-3 really good players for the $15m cap space without needing to spend draft capital. I wouldn’t want to miss an opportunity to pickup a player like Trey Flowers or Fletcher Cox. Heck you might even get Jones, without the contract burden.
I refuse to believe the Hawks are at all seriously considering moving young talent and/or draft picks for Jones. They picked Eskridge to be our new 3rd receiver. Are they doubting themselves already?
I don;t think this is real.
most likely explanation, if it’s true, is that RW wants to add as many weapons as possible – and so the team is obliged to at least look into it.
as pointed out – we just dont have the draft capital, and it’s a good position group already – so seems like just a rumor that will go away.
question though – what if the trade was Lockett and a 3rd rounder for Julio?
They’d have to eat $34m in dead money to trade Lockett now.
I’d prefer Lockett over Jones. Plus he already fits here and has that chemistry with Wilson.
Before the draft, I would say they may be serious. But after the draft, I agree with you. In addition to Eskridge, we also picked up two very good UDFA receivers in Cade Johnson and Tammorion Terry. For the money it would take to sign him I would pick up Reiter and Sherman. And could pick up an insurance tackle like Moses or Leno with a little more money.
Just a quick look at the contract for Julio Jones.
He has his entire $15.3m salary guaranteed in 2021, and $2m of his 2022 salary is guaranteed.
The flexibility the Seahawks have is to convert 2021 salary to bonus and spread it over the three seasons. It looks like this if they take the max to spread out:
2021 – $1.075m vet min salary + $4.741m bonus proration = $5.816m cap hit
2022 – $11.513m salary + $4.741m bonus proration = $16.254m cap hit ($11.483m dead cap if cut,
$4.77m savings)
2023 – $11.513m salary + $4.741m bonus proration = $16.254m cap hit ($4.741m dead cap if cut)
This is assuming the Hawks can rework Julio’s contract, and that Julio isn’t wanting a new contract/pay raise from his new team.
Unless we win super bowl it will be disaster. Making such trade make sense if that’s only missing piece. We already screwed our team building on draft for Adams. Adams is atleast young but Jones is one injury away oh god.. help.
This sounds promising: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/06/02/report-signs-point-to-nfl-retaining-modified-injured-reserve-rules/
I liked the new rules from last year, especially the expanded PS and eligibility requirements (more vets allowed). I hope they keep them all.
Kraken don’t win the lottery but move up a spot and will draft #2 overall.
Dumpster fire Buffalo sabres will draft #1.
Great spot. Two player draft in terms of sure thing blue chips.
And you get to do what Buffalo doesn’t.
Pretty big deal. There is a consensus that a big D guy is gonna go first overall. A few guys they might be eyeing and I’m hoping for a shooter. The expansion draft is more important though since every other player will come from that. That was supposed to be this month, idk if it changed.
krakensdraftblog rebrand
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I was not for the Jamal Adams trade at the time and I’m still against it in retrospect.
That being said, I have a former student who is an NFL scout (which is awesome) and he told me although these PFT rankings are pretty decent overall – that there is serious flaws, too.
They rank Jamal Adams as the best safety in the NFL. I know the other rankings aren’t so kind, but it is comforting to know that one NFL team believes he is the best safety (free or strong).
Still would have rather have had Javonte Williams AND Ben Cleveland (or Meinerz) THIS past draft AND their #1 in ’22 over Adams though (never mind all the salary saved for guys like Sheldon Richardson, Richard Sherman, etc.).
I’m with you. I thought they gave up too much then, and still believe so today. I also agree with your student’s assessment of PFT. It may be a good evaluation tool, but probably shouldn’t be used as the only evaluation tool. Each team will have their own metrics and I would imagine player’s grades vary greatly from team to team.
If only…
A play that I’m excited for is to see maybe DK on that Robert woods inside run counter, I think it can get dk in space and utilize him better than a jet sweep, the only hard part is that it would be hard to hide that dude in the backfield
That would certainly catch the attention of the defense and be a great decoy if nothing else. I’m not sure how quickly DK can turn a corner though. Once he has the corner – gone! But like that long TD vs the 49ers I think he needs a bit of a wide berth to gain the corner when working horizontally, as I am not sure how sudden he is.
I definitely envision Eskridge doing that. And Everett was actually used on that from time to time as well for an interesting wrinkle. I’d also like to see some touches for Penny in space, as pre-injury he was proving to be a threat to score long TDs.
I want more crossing patterns like this.
https://youtu.be/l0BrAvns1LA
Get DK the ball in that gap behind the linebackers and let him work.
Look at how much room Mosely gives him off the ball. Now that is respect.
Pause the video at :03 and remind yourself DK scored on the play. He’s got 5 defenders in the open field.
Mosely slipped on the coverage and then decided to slow to a jog, assuming Greenlaw would make the tackle. DK smokes Greenlaw like he’s standing still and Mosely can’t catch up because he wasn’t pursuing hard enough. The corner gets blocked out by Hollister because he does the same thing – assumes his teammates will make a play.
Oh, DK only has straight line speed and his 3 cone was terrible? He’s the size of an aircraft carrier, but watch him bank like an F16 and jet up the sideline with an inch of daylight.
THAT is how you stress a defense.
The play I’m talking about it here at 2:30
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2L7NgyQ7VMQ&feature=onebox
It’ll be ideal for DK since rather than a sweep he get be north south really quick. You could also run a screen to him out of this set.
That’s interesting, thanks for sharing.
My concern would be that that is a pretty high traffic area, and DK doesn’t have the cleanest hands. And he’d be taking on linebackers there instead of dbs.
The way you block it (especially with a lead blocking pulling G) would make it surprisingly open, especially because of the counter action. What makes it effective and open space is that its a counter, so it would have to be set up by running the outside zone (inside zone for us, works either way but in that play its set up for OZ) which gets the linebackers and safeties flowing. Even though its inside its a lot more open that what you’d think, it just takes a good playcaller to set it up
Run inside zone, screens, and pop passes out of that set a lot, and boom hit them with that counter, it gets the ball in DKs hands and itll be fun to see him running full steam downfield
Run a fold with DK in the middle of the field. I really like this set and the creativity that it could bring. There is just so many exciting things that I hope Waldron can bring from the Rams, we have the players that can implement it.
https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-exploring-playing-games-in-germany-to-gauge-interest-from-host-cities
If this happens, beer’s on me.
Mach 1.7 supersonic commercial flights might be coming as early 2029 (or so I read on a Google news piece today. If that happens, flights from Europe to NY could be 3.5 hrs. That’s not bad. Europe could be in play.
Sounds like the price is dropping again.
I don’t think Julio is going to see a very fast drop off in his ability. He is an absolute genetic freak, even if he loses a step he’s still has NFL atheism given how long he’s had mastering his craft for another 3-5 years. I agree it’s not a trade I’d make unless it started being 3-5 rounder. I do see some value in DK getting to study under Jones, but expect Jones still wants his 1300 yards a year and that’s just not going to happen in Seattle. The salary actually doesn’t sound horrible after this year, don’t think that will be a deal breaker. I just can’t see receiver being a bigger need than DT, and think the deva factor and demands for yard will keep it from ever happening.
https://jetswire.usatoday.com/2021/06/04/new-york-jets-marcus-maye-ranked-higher-than-jamal-adams-seahawks/
how many sacks that other fellow get?
I’d rather ask how many PBU or INTs a safety managed than how many sacks he got (were created for him)
Don’t count on Geno signing any time soon.
Now that’s a signing I’d like to see.
https://twitter.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1400915762546626568?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
The MVP is locked up for another 4 years.
Heck yeah buddy
4 more years! 4 more years!
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1400911808542744581?s=21
Mike Dickson re-upped, feels good man
I think we need a 2 hour live stream to discuss his contract.
might as well make it 4
Nice
The funny thing about this is that my (and it seems most Hawk fans) reaction to this is not a meme. This is a huge signing, well deserved and VERY important. He’s the best punter in the NFL, and a great punter is a DEVASTATING weapon if you have a defense that can hold the field position he gives you.
“if you have a defense that can hold the field position he gives you”
Sigh
eveythingisfine.meme
Like many here, I dig Julio, have since he was in college. But he’s expensive and old, and we have bigger needs elsewhere
Funny enough, seems to me like the perfect recipe for another mind boggling Carrol trade….I’m joking. I think.
Trading Alton for him is nuts in my opinion. He’s a really good prospect, and we need him. I thought it weird last year when Carrol didn’t activate him early in the season when we had no DEs left….and weirder he didn’t like Alton deliberately gaining weight, despite the fact it didn’t seem to slow him. Rampant speculation alert: perhaps Carrol wasn’t into drafting him, or he was pissed Robinson gained weight…Maybe Robinson sees himself competing at spots that require more bulk, and Carrol saw him elsewhere and wanted him lighter. That’s my best guess, given Carrols comment over the season. But it’s a weird deal. Why would his name even come up as a trade piece?
I would rather see the cap spent to shore up the DT position with a guy like Sheldon Richardson than an expensive aging WR. I think we’re an injury or two away from having a DT catastrophe. But apparently Seattle doesn’t see it that way.
We shall see. Gonna be a weird year….
Just my take:
Alton + draft picks for Julio =🙅♂️
Dickson extension = 👍😁
Couple interesting new numbers:
Quandre – 6
Dunlap- 8 🙃
What is it with Carlos and just choosing awful numbers
Not sure what you are talking about. I think 8 is gonna look sweet coming off the edge. Love the change.
Seahawks number font makes most single digits look weird
RANDOM THOUGHT: I never understood the obsession that some players have with jersey numbers. The greats just stick with the number assigned to them (Griffey=24, Jordan=23, etc). I get why a lot of players would want to have a connection to a childhood hero or a mentor, but I’m the kind of person who would rather accept a random number and and hope that jersey number gets retired one day. In a past life, if that ever did happen, I would absolutely wear #69 just to make that number famous. Somehow.
I always wondered if the Ms gave Griffey that number cuz it was the number Willie Mays wore and their games were quite similar.
Griffey and Jordan didn’t have their numbers ‘randomly assigned.’
They picked their numbers.
Jordan was 23 in high school and college.
Griffey asked to be 24 when he signed his rookie contract.
Do you know why Griff chose 24 cha?
“24 became synonymous with Ken Griffey Jr. Griffey chose it after hitting 24 home runs one season between his high school and summer baseball teams, and he wore it throughout his 13 seasons with the Mariners.” That is what I got when I googled “why did Griffey wear 24”.
Spot on
Thanks Jeffers 🙂
Some numbers are just worse than others. Single digits are all elite no matter what level or sport you’re playing. Double numbers have added value for any range (11,22,55, etc.) 10-19 are good, with added value to the lower ones. 18,19 are pretty lame. 20s are better than the 30s and 40s for RBs and DBs typically. Some grace can be given to 32, 44 but the rest are pretty abrasive. In my experience, I’d you saw a DB wearing an upper 30 or a 40 of any kind, you know he’s about to get burnt deep. 60s are fine for interior lineman, not tackles. Same can be said for 50s. 70s are elite for tackles. 90s for DL with some flexibility for DE/EDGE to wear 50s. 80s have kind of been put by the wayside except for TEs.
(This is all totally subjective and just fun but I think has some universal truth)
#33 is the best number ever. Just look who dawned this jewel
Has anyone ever done an analysis is players who wear jersey #’s that are prime numbers?
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/why-julio-jones-may-not-be-only-blockbuster-jones-trade-on-nfl-horizon-cardinals-sack-star-deserves-more/
That’s better Jone
Check
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Murray is the perfect fit!
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Najee Harris wearing Beast Mode brand clothes throwing out the first pitch in Pittsburgh today. Man what could have been. That Jamal trade was a real blunder when you look at some cheap talent we could’ve picked up. Jamal and a 4th vs Najee, tons of great options with our 3rd (Davis, Meinerz, Cleveland, Molden), McDougald, not having to pay jamal and carson
Julio is the end all be all
Naw c’mon man, read above, Jamal is on a HOF trajectory dontcha know?
This is true
It’s over
Well Week 2 just got more interesting.
Will be interesting to see if Atlanta eats any salary in the trade.
Interesting gambit by the Titans.
Letting 26 year old Corey Davis get away with a 3yr $37m/$27m guaranteed deal with the Jets, and then paying a 2nd round pick for 32 year old Julio with 3 yr $38m/$17.3m guaranteed left on his contract.
So happy it’s done ✔ hawks stayed away
Here’s the tough truth for titans fans.
2021 Julio Jones is going to be a slight downgrade from 2020 Corey Davis. And they gave up draft capital.
I’m so glad the Seahawks didn’t move a pick or a young player to make this happen. Now we can focus on signing a few more veterans to fill in the defense.
In regards to Julio Jones going to the Titans. If you are a Seahawk fan you have to be on cloud 9. I sure as hell didn’t want Jones going to the t9ers, Rams or Cardinals. What a relief. The only downside is that the Hawks have to play the Tennessee Titans. But so does the 49ers, Rams and Cardinals. Glad to see Jones go to Tennessee.
Only bummer is that Seattle has the Titans week 2 as cha mentioned when he’ll no doubt be fully healthy and the other teams get them later in the season when he’s much more likely to be out injured.
Big Mike. I get your point. Yes Julio Jones will be fresh/healthy. But that works both ways. Remember last year with Tom Brady(the Tom Brady). Brady did really feel comfortable/rhythm/connection with his receivers until later in the season.
Fair point
Wow. No salary relief for the Titans in the deal.
Rap neglects to mention Falcons have another $15.5m in dead money in future years.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-nfl-defensive-line-units-entering-2021-season
#29
Of course these lists are subjective.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-line-units-entering-2021-season
#19
FWIW the writer incorrectly places Lewis at C and says LG is an open question.
I’d like to dispute that DL rank but there are too many moving parts still (Aldon Smith status, adding Geno or Sheldon). In my mind they could be in the low 20’s.
I think when healthy the OL is solidly in the low teens, maybe even 12.
Thanks for keeping us going with the updates Cha.
Man I’m not sure how the financials would work out or if the injuries are behind him, but I think the Hawks O-Line could be a top 10 unit if Mitchell Schwartz was manning that RT spot.
These rankings, while I agree are subjective, they aren’t that far off either. The Hawks’ o-line not even ranking in the middle and the d-line being near the absolute bottom speaks volumes about how much Wilson means to this team.
It also tells me this team needs to do a lot more short drop/moving pocket, short to intermediate passing stuff to help protect the o-line and control the ball to keep the d-line off the field.
Not a bad buy-low shot
He legit doesn’t like football tho. The entire Broncos org wanted him out, FO, coaches, and players.
Cable really liked that guy and worked him out IIRC.
Got some question my friends and I been talking about around the BBQ. Mostly for the PNW and general sports fans.
The Seahawks and the Trail Blazers seem to be in identical situations. How much of it is losing Paul Allen’s leadership? Does getting rid of the current regime fix anything (Blazers already starting)? Does a new Owner fix anything?
The facts:
– Both were owned by Paul Allen and he has publicly heavily involved in both teams.
– Both are currently “1 superstar” centric teams (Russ, Dame) that rely heavily on individual heroics. Both are publicly putting out the “Do better or I’m out” feelers. They have been been beaten primarily by teams with more/better star players.
– Both have not been real threats to win a championship (though Seattle at least won one) in years. This has been marked by the inability to surround their stars with a better team. Many big trades did not yield the desired results. FA’s mostly misses. Draft picks so-so. (Failed transactions SEA: P. Harvin, J. Graham, M. Mcdowell, S. Richardson, F. Clark(Trade), L. Collier, R. Penny, L. Joeckel etc. Failed transactions POR: L. Aldridge(Let him walk), M. Leonard, Z, Collins, C. Swaingan, E. Turner, K. Bazemore etc)
– Both have coaches and front offices that are possibly living off old reputations (SEA- Russ, LOB POR- Dame, CJ, Nurkic, Gary Trent Jr). Both coaches are specialists (Carroll- Defense, Stotts- Offense) that were not able to address the other side of the ball. Both FO’s have operated largely unchecked following PA’s passing.
– Both are known for their stellar culture that players have even left and came back for that reason. However, this hasn’t translated into a big FA signing.
– Both seem to be at a tipping point. Meet the superstars’ demands/expectations or be prepared to move them.
Something to ponder on a Monday
-Super clutch big moment superstars who hail from Oakland
Lol. Definitely
I actually remember having that thought back when both Marshawn and Dame were doing their thing – PA must be loving himself some Oakland athletes right now.
To your larger point – I don’t really see a path to a championship for the Blazers. CJ isn’t a #2 on a championship calibre team, and I don’t see how or who they can get to be an upgrade as that #2 piece.
For the Hawks, I wouldn’t count them out of the championship race entering any given season. The NFC is always unpredictable – there has been 6 unique NFC Champions since the Hawks won it back to back (neither of which have been the Packers or Saints). If the Pederson Eagles, Quinn Falcons, Rivera Panthers or Shanahan 49ers can catch lightning in a bottle for a season before reverting to mediocrity or worse, there’s no reason it can’t be RW/PC – we just don’t know which season it’ll be, but they always punch their ticket to the dance, then it is about being hot and healthy at the right time.
I think with the Hawks, you have so many more blue chip pieces around Russ than Dame has (DK, Tyler, Carson, Brown)
Great post man!
With the Blazers I blame Olshey far more than Stotts. His roster construction around Dame is shit e.g. 30 per to another short Guard that plays no D. As for the Hawks I split the “blame” equally between John and Pete because we really don’t know for sure who is responsible for trades/drafting. With Portland, there’s no doubt.
Agree. It does seem to be more on the team building side. For Portland I wish they had a Daryl Morey type who isn’t afraid to swing for the big deal. For Seattle I wish they could find the get out of the “we are the smartest guys in the room” and the “we’ll figure it out later” type mindsets.
Holy smokes. Is the 2020 Curse extending into 2021?
Are either of those two starters?
They’re both depth pieces. Think Cedric Ogbuehi and Ryan Neal.
Michael Dickson live
https://youtu.be/I32kEWjAK78
Oh, Michael. Celebrating a big extension with Papa John’s pizza?
A for effort saying Pagliacci’s is better though.
Good Lord…he got slipped a note to say he likes Pizza Hut as well.
“Darrell Taylor also a full participant today”
Pleasant surprise
Not too concerned about that list. It’s just vets and RBs, and both need as much rest as possible.
This I like…
A 6-4 FA receiver from North Dakota was just signed, kid doesn’t look too bad, it’s hard to judge his speed, but seems to high-point & win contested catches well, at least in these highlights. Might have a fringe chance and at least will provide competition with the bigger receivers in the fight for a spot. See highlights here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMUIWopAz3g
Tanner mcevoy vibes
Mcevoy? How so?
Tall white lanky Midwesterner with swagger
ESPN segment on the latest on Aaron Rodgers.
https://youtu.be/csYI8yrcoco
I’ve never seen Adam Schefter so worked up!
Was not aware that Rodgers gave up 500K for not showing up to OTAs. Wow. I mean In get that’s not the same to him that it would be to us, but still a chunk.
https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seahawks/russell-wilson-is-back-working-with-the-seahawks-but-some-questions-still-must-be-answered/
At least someone in the Seattle media isn’t burying their head in the sand.
It’s going to be so frustrating to know that local media will not press Wilson on what he was actually thinking throughout this offseason.
Russ, you seem to have a special bond with DK, can you tell us what it means for you two being this close, and what makes him so special?
And Pete, can you tell us what it means to have a Bobby Wagner as your defensive leader?
Calkins to be berated by fans on multiple blogs for insinuating anything but serenity between him and the Hawks in 3, 2, 1…
Rainbows and lollipops in Seahawk land…….
🌈 🍭
Blows my mind how naive so many fans are, especially the Russ fanboys. “Well, Pete said everything is ok so it’s just the media trying to stir the pot”.
Wilson went public with a list of teams he’d be willing to be traded to. How simple minded must one be not to see the writing that is clearly on the wall. I think it’s almost guaranteed that Wilson asks to be traded after this season if he isn’t happy with how things turn out.
If Wilson isn’t pressed and challenged on that Schefter tweet, with follow up questions and serious questions as to his long term commitment to the Seahawks, it will be a disgrace.
Spurious, pointless fluff questions today should be derided. The media have a job to do.
Go hawks !!!
Joe Fann is leaving the Seahawks beat.
Leaving or leading?
He is leaving. Seems like NBC Northwest are throwing the towel in.
That’s a shame. ;(
Isn’t NBC Sports, as a whole, being eliminated to make way for the Peacock Network? Local affiliates money and support would dry up rather quickly.
Almost 30 minutes waiting for Russ.
I’m imagining Russ backstage doing pushups while his PR flack shouts nonsense phrases at him.
‘media overblown’
‘competitive venting’
‘moving forward’
‘opportunity for success’
Russ just said he brought up a contract restructuring to get players, and quickly covered that Pete has brought it up too.
Hmmm..
What’s unfortunate is that you won’t just acknowledge the fact that you literally gave a list of four teams that you want to be traded to, Russ.
Russell Wilson seems very nervous here. Keeps saying ‘the reality is’ as a nervous tick.
It’s one huge great attempt to get out of this unscathed but by seeming so uncomfortable, it’s a bit telling.
Is penny hart really gonna make the team lol, Russ has said his name twice
Russ is fumbling hard on Larry Stone’s question on if he’ll be a Seahawk long-term.
The whole thing is a great big awkward fumble.
Would’ve just been better off if both parties embraced the reality publicly IMO.
One clumsy attempt to put the toothpaste back into the tube.
Man, maybe I’ve just got a low standard, but props to the Hawks media for not pretending like nothing unusual happened this offseason. Pretty much every question I’ve heard has been about his offseason comments.
Art asked about Russ not being mentioned in the annual renewal letter.
“Ha, maybe that was a typo”
Oh good Lord.
Holy lord, what a question. Good job, Dave.
Great question.
Wilson said ‘the reality is’ seven times in response, highlighting the quality of the question.
Spot on
Ah. The old Tiger Woods quote. “Winning cures everything”. Not wrong I guess
As Russ pointed out, he’s got a no-trade clause. The team can’t arbitrarily trade him without his consent.
If they can’t trade him without his consent, and he doesn’t want to leave anyway…then there’s no need for a list of four teams in the first place.
We need Tom Cruise to swoop in, in the role of Lt. Daniel Kaffee, pretend that Russ is Kiefer Sutherland from ‘A Few Good Men’, and grill him on the stand. 🙂
I would prefer the “Les Grossman” Tom Cruise to help make Russ set the record straight.
#3 would be sitting in a puddle of his own urine after that back and forth.
Has Russell Wilson been this honest in one interview in his life?
Allen Iverson – Pratice!
https://youtu.be/eGDBR2L5kzI
Instead we get this..
Bull Durham – Cliches
https://youtu.be/KeVca9MwDX8
Bull Durham is one of the all time great sports movies. Love that scene, love that movie.
Ditto
“Why does he keep calling me meat?”
“LOLLIGAGGERS!”
The reality is, it sounds like a presser I don’t even want to watch.
I wouldn’t bother
It just annoyed me
The job I had previous to the one I currently have was in an office, and I didn’t understand the term “office politics” until I had a job in a corporate office. Thankfully I was just a low level employee who couldn’t threaten anyone, but that made me a person who higher-ups could vent to. Office politics leads to the most phony, fake and disingenuous environments I have ever worked in, and Russ’ interview reeked of it. He gave an HR answer that put all the blame on the higher-ups. “I never did this or that. I don’t know where this is coming from.”
My initial reaction was “Good, this is laid to rest.” But I had to take a step back and realize that Russ instigated all this. He wanted something which is not unreasonable: a greater investment in the O-line. He went about it in a very dickish way though. Go to the media, create drama though your agent and demand the team respond.
He got some of what he wanted in the end. Typical strategy of wanting $10, so you demand $20, but settle on $12. His OL got a + and so did his receivers.
Office politics is an exercise in passive aggressiveness. A passive aggressive stance is the most annoying stance to take, and it is the best way to make people distrust you. Russ created this whole drama, and now he is putting the blame on everyone but himself.
I love Russel Wilson, but there are better ways to do this….like….talking to your coach and GM. Sit down with them and talk. The passive aggressive way Russ went about this just reeks.
Great answer!
Thanks BobbyK
Just to re-iterate, Russ BLAMED EVERYONE ELSE in his media response. “I never requested a trade.” So your agent has gone rouge and just acting without your consent? LOL. Get the f**k out of my face you tw@!
it’s exactly this disingenuousness that makes me think Russ isn’t capable of leading this team to a championship.
And that’s the exact word that sprung to mind watching that press conference yesterday
Disingenuous.
Well, that and ‘reality’ (because he said it so often)
#DisengenuRuss
Nice
Pretty good summary
https://www.nbcsports.com/northwest/seahawks/russell-wilsons-relationship-seahawks-simple-winning-cures-all
It’s pretty cool that our team considers anything less than a NFC championship appearance a failure. I feel like our offense will be better than last year, or at least more like the first half of the season all year. Our defense is about the same level. I hope they just have more fight in them this year.
You SHOULD expect to make it far every season with an elite QB.
I honestly haven’t even looked at the QB’s the Hawks will face this year. However, I can’t see them being the murderers row of incompetent ones they faced the 2nd half of 2020, when they “dominated”.
I get so tired of the narrative some sites state that it was Dunlap showing up that turned everything around. It wasn’t. He certainly helped, but they face good defenses and some incredibly bad offenses in that 2nd half, just as the Hawks offense and defense flipped their respective performances.
You see, Russ, if you don’t want things to get blown out of proportion you think before you speak. You keep your mouth shut when you’re on tilt. If it itches too much and you can’t, you don’t throw under the bus the ones that have your back. When it gets out of proportion, you don’t add fuel to the fire with your 4 teams list. It’s all on you. And if this year looks like the second half of last year, it won’t be on Pocic, D. Lewis and Shell and it won’t be on the low quality at CB and lack of depth at LB and DT, it will be on the QB. But if we start the conversation at what you need to do better too, we might look at a good season. Everyone in the building is cheering for that.
“ You see, Russ, if you don’t want things to get blown out of proportion you think before you speak.”
This. But he hadn’t learned it. Maybe now he has.
What we learned. RW isn’t so bright and he really really wants to win. It’s a shame he’s not so bright but I’m glad he’s desperate to win.
As someone said above/earlier, winning fixes everything.
My two cents: Russ will blow this up and leave, one way or another, if Seattle doesn’t win big this year. But he still wants to blame the front office and not piss off the fans.
You can’t have it both ways. Even if the disintegration of our great Super Bowl window roster is on them, if Russ leaves, fans will rightfully be pissed at him, not just Management.
I’d say odds are good he’s not here next year, and the odds are great he’s here no more than this year and next.
Russ’s agent is feeble, and so is Seattle’s PR department. They suck at this. It’s like Junior High students planned their handling of this debacle and scripted the Press Conference. And no excuse for Russ struggling to answer questions; if you’re not going to be truthful, then better learn how to spin confidently.
All this stuff is just hot air and disingenuous crap, which we’ve seen from both sides. Bottom line is that if Seattle doesn’t at least get to the NFCCG, he’s gone.
Well…let’s just hope we can get another decent interior lineman, that what we’ve got in the DB field will be enough, that Eskridge and our TE’s will give us a dynamic passing attack with our new OC and TL/DK, that our OL stays healthy, ditto for our RB’s, that our ST’s remain near the top of the heap… Easy enough.
If Rodgers gets traded or holds out this year, outside of TB, I’m not really nervous about any team outside of our division in the NFC. So there’s that for me.
Playing well in our division, or relative to the other teams in our division, is going to perhaps be more important than ever with all the other drama and the stakes its put on this season.
We’ll see.
Florio reacts to the RW press conf
https://youtu.be/hPXndoxJZs8
Joel Corry talks through the nuts and bolts of the negotiation for an Adams extension
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-whats-the-hold-up-with-jamal-adams-contract-extension-why-seahawks-and-all-pro-are-at-impasse/
I see a 4 year $64m extension coming in late July.
Ya, Hoggs, I’ll bet that’s pretty close.
I’m thinking it between $16.5/yr with higher guarantees (which Hawks would be ((rightfully)) apprehensive about given recent injuries) vs $17-18 with lower guarantees and more roster bonus stuff added in to deal (which I imagine Hawks don’t want to pay because that’s a pretty big leap over league leading Safety $$$.
In the end, I think both want to be together and it will happen. If Adams is super stubborn about guarantees then talks will continue into early season, but my gut says things will get locked in before start of regular season. I hope the Hawks somehow get him in the $15+change range but am not overly optimistic about that lower price.
Are they putting Lewis at LG and Gabe at RG? Not sure why they would both switch sides unless there’s some strategy to it.
I haven’t read the piece but I think I can clear up the issue.
Adams wants to be paid more money than the Seahawks are willing
I know… I know… outrageous suggestion. But it’s just my honest opinion…
But at least they didn’t trade a ridiculous amount of comp for him or anything.
Yeah good point. I mean what’s two first rounders, a third and a starting NFL caliber Safety? Freaking chicken feed I tell you.
Rob, your clairvoyance is unmatched by us humble peons in the SDB community
It all boils down to Pete letting Shane, Russ and Co get after it. If he can give them the freedom, and they develop something special, then they might right the ship. Even if they don’t win big in 2021, Russ might think ‘hey we’re really on to something here. Maybe I’ll stick around and be a part of this’.
Just a non- original thought. Thanks Cha and everyone for keeping a dialog going.
http://sportspressnw.com/2249259/2021/thiel-never-mind-says-wilson-its-all-swell
“If I were Carroll, I’m saying you’ll never get it as good as you have it here, and I’m turning over the keys to the offense to new coordinator Shane Waldon, whom you approved.”
Great idea. I’d give the chances of Pete doing so at about 35%. Really hopeful of being wrong.
Good lord does Chris Carson look like he has put in some serious work this offseason. Impressive.
Honestly, to me he looks just as jacked as he always has been.
True – specimen for sure. But that comes from serious effort when no one is watching as well. Right after a 2nd contract too.
Just glad he is didn’t severely tear or break something due to his dumb trainer.
Aaaaaaand, Rafael “Gas Can” Montero comes in with a 4-1 lead in the bottom of the 9th, gets the first 2 guys out and then snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. Final: Indians 5, Mariners 4
Every time I get pissed at the Seahawks, I do need to remember what it’s like to be a fan of the Mariners. What a stinkin’ joke of a franchise.
thats his 6th blown save this year why is he still there?
I don’t know man, I can’t figure it out. I will watch no more Mariners’ games until he’s no longer the “closer”.
Dude, what are you talking about? He leads the majors 😂
I’ve been a Mariners fan since 1992, and even though the Mariners were losers around that time, they were still A TON of fun to watch. Griffey, Buhner, Edgar, Tino, Omar Vizquel, Joey Cora, Dan Wilson, Norm Charlton, Randy Johnson, early Ichiro, King Felix. They sucked most of the time, but man, they were fun to watch.
I don’t think I have watched a Mariners game in the last 10 years. They are the avatars of mediocrity. Gods of the mundane. The knights of boring. Honestly, if the team got re-located, I would not care.
Sounders undefeated just sayin
For what it’s worth, Tony Pauline is intrigued by two of the Seahawks’ UDFAs: Bryan Mills and Aashari Crosswell.
Rob a quick question for you do you think there is any possibility that the reason the Seahawks didn’t redue or restructure Russ contact is there is a possibility of Russ getting traded next off season?
Not Rob, but absolutely yes that’s a factor.
If they did the max restructure (create $12m of cap room), their dead cap if they traded him in 2022 would go from $26m to $38m. (And the cap room trading Russ opens up drops from $11m to $5m).
And furthermore, if…IF…they want to go the other way, and then to try and sign Russ to another extension, the danger of restructuring is there will be a nearly 30% ‘penalty’ on his next contract.
How? Russ currently has a $40m cap number in 2023. So the negotiating base for another extension (two franchise tags) is $105.6m.
If they max restructure, the 2023 number is $46m and the negotiating base balloons to $121.4m. A whopping $15m extra for restructuring $12m of money in 2021.
Without doubt everyone is keeping their options open
PC and JS don’t make a habit of restructuring contracts. I’m sure that making players more costly to trade or release is part of it. A lot of people see the possibility of him being traded next year. How far we get will either increase or decrease the chances of that happening.
*Comment was supposed to be for Robert Las Vegas
https://touchdownwire.usatoday.com/lists/nfl-best-safeties-justin-simmons-darnell-savage-tyrann-mathieu/
2021 Cap Dollars Allocated to active players
LB $23.4m (2.5 LBs on the field at any given time)
S $16.9m (2.25 Safeties on the field at any given time)
DL $18.98m ($23.98m w Reed’s $5m dead hit) (4 DL on the field at any given time)
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Recent Draft Picks Allocated to active players
LB – 5 (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 5th)
S – 4 (1st, 1st, 3rd, 5th, (4th in return), another 2nd if you want to count Blair)
DL – 4 (1st, 3rd, 5th, 7th)
I had the unfortunate opportunity to listen to John Clayton, recently. The guy is so completely full of himself that he loves yelling about how the Russ situation was completely made-up. He, quite literally, interrupts anyone asking him about Russ and yells an, “I told you so” every chance he gets.
At this point, he has become comic relief for me. Listening to “The Professor” make statements about players and teams that are so damned obvious to anyone with at least 5% of the brain capacity working at any time. He is so smug, yet the Seattle sports media bow before him as if he still has any relevance, whatsoever.
My favorite is when he tells the hosts that he had a recent conversation with some old NFL coach about such and such and he said this and that. And we are supposed to believe that the old coach he is referring to has any knowledge, whatsoever, of insider information, when that info he has was trending all over social media for a week, already?
Schefter and all the younger in-the-knows are sprinting at Bolt speeds, all while The Professor is waiting for his Hoveround to recharge.
Currently in Seattle, I find that the guys who are most frequently on the ball when it comes to the Hawks are Heaps and Bumpus. Avril was also pretty dialed in on the Russ story it seemed, and reiterated that he wasn’t going anywhere.
he also finds a need to bring up compensatory picks any chance he gets.
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/why-kyle-shanahan-changed-mindset-trading-first-round-picks
Interesting. Although it should be noted, the teams he ref’d trading first round picks for, got proven talent in return.
He’s also still paying JimmyG too, although not sure what’s left of the guaranteed $ at this point.
The comment (read it as laughing) about Seattle trading two for a S, had me shaking my head as some writers have suggested SF may have been in on that deal and driving the price up.
More Florio & Simms on Russ
https://youtu.be/cZ8p7qzflmU
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/06/14/mmqb-carson-wentz-transition-indianapolis-jim-nagy-minicamp