Ohio State’s Baron Browing is a fantastic athlete
Traits aren’t everything but they do matter.
The concept of ‘just picking good players’ is a rhetoric that doesn’t befit a sport that emphasises physicality and speed perhaps more than any other.
Furthermore, the techniques and nuances for college football are far away from what you can expect at the next level. A ‘good’ player in college doesn’t necessarily translate to a ‘good’ player in the NFL. Even if they can be coached and developed, limitations will nearly always be exposed.
With limited draft stock in 2021 and no pick until the late second round (as things stand) the Seahawks will need to be on the ball to deliver impact from this class.
I’ve mentioned this before but I think the objective has to be to shoot for high upside in order to acquire someone with the potential to be great.
Any player available in the late second round with an amazing physical profile is going to have some question marks. Yet there’s an opportunity within that range to make a half-court shot.
D.K. Metcalf is the prime example. He fell not so much for the well-publicised three-cone time but probably more for the fact he nearly had to retire during the 2018 season due to a serious neck injury. Either way he was there and in a re-draft, he’s probably the third overall pick not the #64 pick.
The Seahawks equally had great success drafting Frank Clark in the late second round. He fell for very different reasons but had a top-10 physical profile and played to that level once he developed into a starter.
There have been misses too and that’s simply part of the draft. Christine Michael is the most explosive and agile running back to enter the NFL in a generation. He had star traits but couldn’t ever put it together.
Here’s the thing though — you can live with occasional Christine Michael if the upside is you end up with players such as Metcalf and Clark.
Seeking players with outstanding physical traits has worked well for the Seahawks in the second and third round. Bobby Wagner, Golden Tate, Russell Wilson, Tyler Lockett, Justin Britt and Damien Lewis are other examples. All tested very well.
The Kansas City Chiefs built their Super Bowl roster off the back of amazing upside. Not every pick, signing or trade has worked for them — but look at their recent early round draft picks. Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Willie Gay Jr, Mecole Hardman, Juan Thornhill, Breeland Speaks, Patrick Mahomes, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Chris Jones. It’s a who’s who of every star tester, high-upside talent or five-star recruit.
They traded for Frank Clark, another incredible athlete, signed Sammy Watkins (at great expense) and signed big new deals for Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce.
They are basically the fastest, most explosive team in the league. Yes — they reached the pinnacle because of Mahomes. He too was loaded with traits and he’s surrounded by athletic stars.
With that in mind I wanted to note down some possible targets for the 2021 draft who possess high-upside and major physical potential.
The combine will reveal a lot of information, as always. For now we have to work with what little info is available. I’ve not included obvious first round picks. These are players being projected in a region where they might be available to the Seahawks (although it’s still early days) either in round two or perhaps even later.
Haskell Garrett (DT, Ohio State)
I only watched Garrett this week but was incredibly impressed with his quickness, hand-use and power. It was even more impressive given he was shot in the face a few weeks ago and made a miraculous return to the football field. He ran a 4.41 short shuttle at SPARQ at 298lbs which is an outstanding time and he added a 5.13 forty. His stock is difficult to project, especially after the shooting, but he’s highly talented and definitely a player to monitor.
Ambry Thomas (CB, Michigan)
Thomas opted out of the 2020 college season and Michican are missing him badly. He has reasonable size (6-0, 185lbs) but his athletic profile is sensational. He ran a 4.43 at SPARQ, a 3.90 short shuttle and jumped a 36 inch vertical. He had three interceptions last season and plays with great instinct and toughness. Thomas is immensely talented and with a strong combine, could vault up many boards.
Tutu Atwell (WR, Louisville)
Atwell is tiny (listed at just 5-9, 165lbs) and that is a concern. So too will be his limited catching radius. However, he has tremendous production (21 career TD’s) and his physical profile is incredible. He’s reportedly achieved a 4.26 forty, a 3.90 short shuttle and he can squat around 600lbs. Paul Richardson was only 175lbs at the combine in 2014 and the Seahawks took him in round two. Atwell could be the kind of dynamic speedster this offense craves.
Baron Browning (LB, Ohio State)
It will be stunning if the Seahawks spend another high pick on a linebacker but I had to include Browning on this list. At SPARQ he ran a fantastic 4.18 short shuttle. The Seahawks historically put a high value on that drill for the linebacker position. He also jumped a 37.5 inch vertical, ran a 4.56 forty and managed a total score of 131.91 — the most by any player at his position in 2017. He’s a freakish athlete with the tape to match. Don’t be shocked if he works into the first round.
Andre Cisco (S, Syracuse)
Unless the Seahawks make a big move (such as trading Jamal Adams) they’re unlikely to be in the market for a safety either. However, Cisco is a fantastic playmaker with a terrific physical profile. He has nine interceptions at Syracuse. He’s been timed in the 4.3 range for the forty, the 4.1 range in the short shuttle and he jumped a 36 inch vertical at SPARQ. He suffered a lower leg injury this season which could impact his stock.
Alim McNeil (DT, NC State)
When it comes to freskish physical profiles, McNeil has to be near the top of the list. At SPARQ he ran a 4.27 short shuttle — a time most defensive backs would be satisfied with — at over 270lbs. He’s since grown to 320lbs and yet he’s carrying minimal bad weight. He also ran a 4.94 forty and jumped a 34 inch vertical. Explosive, quick and agile — McNeil can also control blocks as a nose tackle and made headlines for a remarkable ‘big man’ pick-six earlier this season.
Jaelen Phillips (DE, Miami)
Phillips was once a storied recruit chased by every big team in college football. He opted to stay in California and picked UCLA. His time with the Bruins was dogged by concussion issues and at one point retirement seemed possible. However, instead he transferred to Miami and he’s having an outstanding season with five sacks in eight games and 10.5 TFL’s. He recorded an 111.18 score via SPARQ and has flashed five-star recruiting talent for Miami this year.
Xavier Thomas (DE, Clemson)
It’s been a bit of an underwhelming season for Thomas so far with only three sacks. Tipped by many to be the next big-name Clemson D-line prospect, he hasn’t really elevated his name into one of the stars of college football. Even so, his physical talent is undeniable. He ran a 4.30 short shuttle at 270lbs at SPARQ and added a 4.58 forty and a 33 inch vertical. He was the top defensive lineman who tested. There’s a lot of untapped potential here although I wonder about his length and ability to stay clean when taking on blocks.
Walker Little (T, Stanford)
It’s hard to gauge Little’s stock. A knee injury ended his 2019 season prematurely. He opted not to declare for the 2020 draft but then did opt out of the 2020 college football season. Where is he at physically? He has amazing size (6-7, +300lbs) and he was the top SPARQ tester on the O-line in 2017 with a remarkable short shuttle of 4.40. The injury and absence could force him down boards (although teams are always willing to take a chance on a good left tackle).
Tyson Campbell (CB, Georgia)
He’s tall (6-3), long and has the frame of a Seahawks cornerback. He also ran a 4.47 at SPARQ and jumped a 33-inch vertical. His short shuttle of 4.51, however, is very disappointing and he’d need to test better in that drill. Campbell doesn’t play aggressively enough in coverage and he gives up too many easy passes. Yet the physical potential and upside is there — especially if he improves in the agility testing.
Marvin Wilson (DT, Florida State)
Another former five-star recruit who had an amazing SPARQ session. At 6-4 and 330lbs he ran a 5.17 forty and a 4.56 short shuttle. That is frankly unbelievable agility for a man of that size. At Florida State he’s flashed talent, an ability to play inside and at the five technique and he was in better shape this year before an injury ended his season. However, conditioning will be a concern for teams.
Jake Ferguson (TE, Wisconsin)
Ferguson has always been a good blocker and a typical Wisconsin tight end. However — this season he’s also become their top target in the passing game, with 181 receiving yards and four touchdowns in three games. A former four-star recruit, Ferguson ran a blistering 4.15 short shuttle and jumped a 34.5 inch vertical at SPARQ. Virtually all of the top TE’s in the league did well in the agility testing.
Javian Hawkins (RB, Louisville)
I don’t think he runs in a ‘Seahawks style’. He’s not a tone-setter who gets the hard yards. He’s also out of their size bracket at 5-9 and 200lbs. However, I wanted to include him here due to his testing and production. He has 822 rushing yards and eight total touchdowns in eight games this season with a 6.2 YPC average. He ran a 4.36 forty at SPARQ, a 3.95 short shuttle and jumped a 41 inch vertical. He is extremely fast, explosive and talented. He’s just undersized.
Aaron Banks (G, Notre Dame)
This one is more about what I’ve seen on tape. He’s 6-6 and 330lbs and he absolutely dominates at the LOS. Power, strength and control. Based on his SPARQ testing I wouldn’t expect an amazing combine performance. However, to me he looks like the ideal candidate to play left guard for Seattle. Since Mike Solari came in they’ve preferred hulking monsters to play on the left side. Banks fits the bill perfectly.
Aidan Hutchinson (DE, Michigan)
He’s just suffered a fractured leg that could keep him out of action until April. He might be able to fit in a pre-draft workout if he opts to declare. He could also return to Michigan. However, there’s enough on tape already to think Hutchinson could be a star with the right kind of support. He’s brilliantly put together and can play inside/out with ease. He wins with quickness and power. He’s around 6-6 tall with great length and he ran a 4.47 short shuttle at SPARQ. If he goes pro and the injury limits his stock, he could be a steal for someone.
Kyler Gordon (CB, Washington)
I watched Gordon earlier this week and I think if he stays at Washington for next year, he could be a first round lock in 2022. He is incredible. However, who knows how players will feel about turning pro after this unpredictable year? He’s capable of a 42.5 inch vertical and a 6.52 three cone. Gordon, as with Elijah Molden, has unbelievable potential but he’s young and needs time to develop. They could both be NFL stars and possess the perfect blend of talent, instinct and physical upside.
I would’ve loved to have included Penn State running back Journey Brown on this list. He’s incredibly talented, capable of running in the 4.3’s, he’s explosive and he finishes runs. Unfortunately he recently had to retire from football due to a heart condition.
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Why would Alim McNeil be unlikely to be a 1st rounder Rob? You made no mention of that. Is it a case of if he tests really well with the additional weight he’ll move into the first?
I didn’t say he’s unlikely to be a first rounder.
I said these are players being projected in a region where they might be available to the Seahawks.
OK let me rephrase the question: what reason(s) are in play that would have him available to the Seahawks later in round 2?
Lots of things. He’s not a sure fire first rounder by any stretch. There’s only ever a handful of those. As much as I like him it’s hardly going to be a shock if he lasts into the second or third. I really liked Damien Lewis last year, thought he was a top-50 talent. He was there in R3.
Thanks. I have this fantasy of Seattle having their own Aaron Donald, or really I should say Aaron Donald Lite cuz he’s generational. But a hugely disruptive DT is a wonderful thing, pressure up the middle in the QB’s face and all that.
Good point about Lewis. Your assessment of him as top 50 has played out based on eye test and PFF grades.
We did have Tez. He is/was better than Donald in terms of an overall game (not rushing the passer).
re: Rob… Lewis… super cool he actually interviewed him HERE!
Tez also didn’t have the supporting cast around him…. such as the 2013 Seahawks had on the DL/front 7. Tez was truly great on a truly awful run of teams. I could have sworn he would got occasionally triple teamed… and still made plays.
Your interview with Damien was priceless.
Any thoughts on the Utah TE Brant Kuithe, Rob? Against UW last week he was fantastic in the first half, very athletic and they even did a TE end around with him. I have no idea about his draft status but he is a Junior. He do have lots of TEs but his athletic profile is really intriguing.
I saw the game last week but I haven’t studied him, apologies.
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/1231990/pete-carroll-show-seahawks-injuries-tre-flowers-carlos-dunlap/
DJ Reed probably lining up opposite Griffin Sunday
<blockquote<“Tre’s got a hamstring that’s bothering him. It’s gonna be a challenge for him to make it back,” Carroll told Dave Wyman. “Playing those sprinter positions you need it all, so that’s (going to go) all the way to game time before we can get an update, see if he has a chance.”
Dunlap a game time decision. Sounds like he should be rested this week.
The piece doesn’t mention Brandon Shell’s ankle but he hasn’t practiced yet, so probably best to count on Ogbuehi.
Let’s get ’em healthy, though I wish Shell was gonna be back at full strength. Cedric was rough last week.
It’s a shame that Jordan Simmons is hurt, I feel like if he weren’t we could have Jamarco Jones at RT, which would be so much better than Cedric
Would it?
Maybe not so much better but atleast better, Cedric looked really bad (although he was against Brandon Graham)
Rob,
I know you don’t think a linebacker is a “need” for the Seahawks, but is it a stretch to think they may look for a SAM with a similar profile as Irvin? Irvin is coming off of a ACL injury at the age of 33 and we all know how much you loved the cost for him.
KJ’s done a great job as a SAM but his quickness is still a downside for him at certain aspects to his game and I don’t know what he may ask for a new contract. I wouldn’t be to peeved if they were able to grab someone like Irvine, a player who can cover or rush depending on the personnel and the number of downs. I feel like more speed on the edge is never a bad thing when we play the 9’ers and Rams 2x a year.
Great write up regardless, love the content!
It would be great to have two young players at our LBs, Brooks at WILL and an athlete at SAM defending those niners and rams outside and stretch runs. Hopefully we can find an athlete later down in the draft for that reason, there are greater needs and some draft strengths that should be addressed in earlier rounds.
I feel if they have an opportunity to save money by letting KJ and Irvin sail off into the sunset they may look at that option, especially with the incoming Adams payday.
I agree that there may be greater needs but killing two birds with one stone ain’t nothing to sneeze at.
They’ve got to keep KJ IMO.
Maybe but you can’t keep pouring resource into the LB position
I hope they keep KJ as well but reduce his role to the SAM that comes off the field when in nickel. Let Brooks take over for full time at WILL. You would slso have some insurance if Brooks or Wagner went down. You may have to have a tough conversation with him though to let him know your plans in case he wanted to be a full time starter for another team. I wonder if you could get him for $4m if that indeed happened.
Thanks for another fantastic write up Rob! There seem to be so few places where intelligent discussion happens online. This place, and the community is a treasure. I think there’s an under-rated group of people in the world who crave intelligent debate, but they fly under the radar due to the noise created by those unable, or unwilling to participate in such dialogue.
Hitting the Sim early this year…
R3 76. Alim McNeill, DT North Carolina State
R4 121. Kyler Gordon, CB Washington
R5 137. Tutu Atwell, WR Louisville
R5 155. Jake Ferguson, TE Wisconsin
Ferguson is really good. I’ll be surprised if he’s there in the 5th. We’re probably down to Dissley and Parkinson after this year, so TE could be a target.
Ferguson will go earlier than that. I think R2.
I think that’s more like it. I like him more than Kmet and he went 2nd this year. The Penn St TE also looks really good.
For how little we use our TE’s I don’t wont the Seahawks to draft one sooner than the 5th round. I’d hate to use a high round draft pick on a decent tight end only for him to catch the ball once a game.
Dissley played 72% of snaps, Hollister 55%, Parkinson 16% VS Philly. When a starting tackle goes down, having a good blocking TE (even if it’s just to chip) can help a guy like Cedric not get beat on every play.
I’m not arguing for taking a TE with our first pick necessarily. If we took one of those guys, I wouldn’t be upset though. They are both really good blockers and receiving threats that will get drafted early.
Existing talent can dictate ‘how often we use our TE’ too. KC and SF didn’t use the TE like they do now until Kelce and Kittle came to town.
I guess when I said “use” I should’ve elaborated on that. Yes I agree our tightends are important in our blocking duties but to me they are criminally under-utilized during our pass plays. The only time I see our tightends running a route is during play-action it seems. (I am a average fan , I don’t watch a lot of tape so I could be mistaken.)
And while I agree that talent does dictate usage of a position, I also look at our history usage of that position too. The only tightend to receive a look from Wilson to me was Zack Martin. Graham was never thrown to until his last year of his contract in Seattle. And we’ve had a revolving door at that position since.
I just feel like our tightends tend to play one dimensional so I’d hate for the Seahawks to spend a high draft pick on someone who only ends up playing a one dimensional role so to speak.
All good. At this stage, it’s just about finding guys you like (for those of us who are draft junkies). I think Ferguson looks like a really good TE. That was my main point.
Once we get through FA, we’ll have a better idea of what positions they might target. For now, it’s more of a carpet-bomb approach in finding guys you really like… at least for me.
Which, of course, makes our lack of picks so disheartening. Patrick Johnson (PITT) has been my (BobbyK/TJ Watt level) draft crush for two years, and we have no shot at him.
I’ve been hitting the simulator early too. With it being a bit early for names, I wanted to see what return I might be able to get through the new pick trader.
I went with the idea that we flipped Jamal Adams to Miami for #22. Since I feel Seattle will want to recover picks, I traded back and end up with:
R2- #58, #60, #63
R3- #83, #90
R4- #121
R5- #153, #155
I like the quantity, but I also felt back about losing a chance to draft a potential difference maker in the first round.
What are your thoughts on Cade Otton TE from UW? I was listening to Cam Cleeland(Former UW TE) and he thinks he may be the best TE at UW since Mark Bruener, but with better speed and agility. Also ZTF, he could go pro this year and has been unstoppable, I am a huge DAWG fan and he has been a revelation. No one expected him to kill it like he has this year.
Forgot to comment regarding Gordon. Love his potential, kid needs to stay at least another year to prove he is more than just an athlete. But if he does, sky is the limit and a potential top 10 pick. Really no program develops DB’s as well as UW right now and he just needs a little extra time to gain that experience.
I hope everyone who can stay, stays. Would be nice to have a head of steam going into the (full?) 2021 season and launch the Lake era properly. That man has created a DB to NFL factory.
I saw Otten last week but haven’t studied him enough to offer a worthwhile review
This week vs Stanford would be worthwhile. They like to play smashmouth and it will be great measuring stick for both Otton and ZTF.
My guess is that Kyler Gordon returns for his redshirt junior year. He really doesn’t have a lot of run yet, as he’s not even a starting CB, more like a 4th starter sitting on the top of the 2nd rung behind Elijah Molden, Keith Taylor, and Trent McDuffie. Also a pretty incredible ST’s player. This guy can jump, sprint, and move quick in tight spaces like nobody’s business.
I think he needs to develop his body a little more, and just become a better all-round DB with time and experience. This guy could easily run up the draft board next year with a strong performance.
I’d expect him to return but you just never know these days.
He is the best TE UW has had since Mark Bruener.
Thanks Rob great article and content. I have been looking at Walker Little as a potential replacement at Left Tackle. Heard he had one of the best Sparq testing ever for his position. Is that true? Where can you access these test scores for college players? Is this testing done only when players are in high school? Some other players I am interested in your opinion on for possible edge rushers in our draft range: Basham (Wake) Rumph (Duke) and Hamilcar Reshed Jr at (OSU). Could Trey Sermon 6ft 221 RB (Ohio St) be a late round option at RB should the Hawks let Carson test FA?
I’m not crazy about Basham. Rumph will be day three as will Reshed Jr.
Little’s SPARQ score was good mostly because of the 4.40 short shuttle listed. The other testing wasn’t amazing.
Anybody know how rookie contracts will be affected by the cap next year if it decreases? If rookie salaries will do with the cap, it could keep some early round guys from declaring.
I doubt it to be honest
I’m also wondering if Darrell Taylor accrues a season towards free agency if he spends the entire season on the NFI list.
All it means is he becomes a RFA instead.
Even getting to that point would be a success at this stage.
Elijah Molden has accepted his Senior Bowl invite. Should be a nice opportunity to showcase his skills.
Friday Press Conf w PC
[brady] Carlos Hyde??? “Took care of both, be ready to play.”
[brady] Gordon return? “Really happy for him. Worked hard, played well, a lot of nice stuff. Thrilled for opp.”
[Curtis] Shell back? “Shell really starting to move, it would be a surprise if he could play this weekend. Cedric calf bothering him resting today, just showed up today.”
[john boyle] Called yourself out from bad first Q Philly game? “Teachable moment. That’s a message we send to players. Always use examples. Hoping team continues to be willing to hold themselves accountable. Willing to say ‘I did this’, ‘I did that’, how can I expect players if the coach isn’t. Uncommon, you don’t hear people do it often.”
[john] Which Carlos? “Hyde. Find out about Dunlap at end of week. Pretty bright eyed about it, so we’ll see.”
[Michael Shawn] RW combine interview like? [cha ed-oh brother] “Somebody said RW will come on strong. Believe what he says though. Always remember that. Mtg w RW and JS, guys. Very confident, clear, really level headed. Feel on the ground. Wasn’t intimidated. Really impressive.”
[Michael shawn] What guys warned you about? “All kinds of stuff. Confident, sure of himself, he’ll make claims, might want to take seriously.”
[joe fann] Ogbuehi at RT? “If he’s ready to go, yeah. First game, played better as game went on. Better 2nd game.”
[corbin] Giving players 2nd and 3rd chances, important? Example that showed you benefit? “Yeah, felt that for a long time. Dad taught me that long ago. Liquor salesman in SF, guys come and go on his force. Give guys a 2nd chance. Guys have worked hard and have the resolve, makes you believe give their best shot, more than happy to give them another chance.”
[art thiel] DL rotation worked? More Snacks? “Figure out as we go. Clint gauges during game, does a nice job. How guys perform. Like I now, no reason to change. Poona last 3 weeks more 3T and effective, played a lot of NT in past. Growing as a D every week. Important to gauge as we get close to end of season. Main thing not to wear guys out. Clint does a good job.”
[bob condotta] Tre Flowers injury? “Came out of game hamstring tight, MRI, something to deal with. Not serious, enough to bother him this week. Take him all the way up to game time.”
[bob] Reed I think ??? “Played there last time and did a nice job.”
[maz veta] Home record well, why? Energy? “Played well, more emphasis that we have to provide energy. Bring it from start to finish. Staff and players, guys on sideline. Work hard at making sure we support one another. Connect and feed off each other.”
[Gregg bell] Gordon in your program better than others? “How to make best can be. Josh has unique circumstances things he’s been through. Be an extraordinary support system. Competitively, I love this opp. Help him out. Give him backing, toughness he needs. Find a way to function smoothly. Find the best he has to offer. Unique challenge. Be there for him.”
[joe fann] Carson 10 touches last week, keep or more work? “More’s good. Love seeing Chris play, couple catches too. Likely he gets it more. 30x run last week, RW had a few. Good number to shoot for. Like to see Chris get the ball more.”
[Curtis] Penny & Taylor? “Penny practicing next week. Not heard back on Taylor, left town to see docs. Find out when we do.”
[brady] Gordon support plan different than last year? “Know Josh better now, good level of trust. Really good system in all ways. He brings complex support group with him. Allow for that and add to it.”
I’m not sure we’ll ever see Darrell Taylor.
I hope that’s not the case. I’m going to remain optimistic, at least for now.
What cause is there for optimism though?
Two weeks ago he was all set to return to practise.
It never happened, Carroll’s tone has increasingly become negative and now he’s going for a second opinion from other doctors. But a second opinion on what exactly??? You don’t go for a second opinion to see whether you can start practising.
As I’ve said a few times, established reporters pre-draft wondered whether Taylor would go undrafted due to the seriousness of this injury. It’s incredible the Seahawks traded up for him and are now in this situation.
There is too much we don’t know. Why isn’t it healing? Is there something else that can be done to help in that regard? Etc. I just hope he can get healthy for next year but like I said, we don’t know what is going on other than Pete speak (which tells us next to nothing).
You said you were remaining optimistic though. Surely you admit there’s nothing to be ‘optimistic’ about?
I’m definitely not optimistic about him playing this year and actually don’t expect him to. I’m at the point where I hope (hence the optimism) he will be ok for the long term and can play in the future. I’m not a Doc and the info we get from Pete is useless and we just don’t know what is actually happening to him.
Well you’ve said we don’t know what is actually happening twice.
I know he’s been out for a year with a serious leg fracture and he’s now getting a second opinion out of town, despite hope from the team he might practise last week.
So that’s something to be pessimistic about. I can’t see any cause for optimism.
Ditto though I’ll at least remain “hopeful”.
The team may also be guilty of thinking they could have lightning strike twice. They got Metcalf by trading up to take a player who had fallen because he teams were shy of a potentially career ending injury. Once bitten, twice shy but in this case maybe once lucky, twice reckless.
Perhaps. But the difference is Metcalf showed up at the combine and tested through the roof. He then went through all the vigorous medical checks you have at the combine and teams could request all of the details, information or re-testing they required during the process. So you were making an educated decision, even if many teams opted to avoid DK.
With Taylor — the medical teams stopped him practising at the Senior Bowl. Then they stopped him doing drills at the combine. You couldn’t do any vigorous medical checks due to Covid shutting the country down. Taylor had a visit to Seattle but clearly they didn’t get the information they needed because Carroll has since admitted they made an error in judging his injury. This was the opposite of an educated decision. It was a shot in the dark because they were absolutely desperate for a pass rusher, after flunking free agency.
Agreed – I have resigned myself to expecting him to never play. The way Pete is so vague is a telling sign IMO.
Yep, I think that too.
It’s ominous.
He said last Friday that Taylor would meet with the doctors ‘Monday or Tuesday for the final time.’ Assuming that actually happened, it appears those docs didn’t or wouldn’t sign off on activating Taylor and/or found something they wanted an outside source to verify.
Desperation inspires bad decisions.
Trading up for Taylor because they failed to properly address the pass rush in FA, trading as much as they did for Jamal Adams.
All of this was because they didn’t sort out their priorities in March.
They can’t put themselves in that position ever again. They’ve got to start setting up the draft to allow it to come to them.
The mismanagement of the resources this year was astonishing.
I still can’t believe Carroll said a few weeks ago that they basically ‘made a mistake’ on Taylor’s injury.
Everyone who is a semi-regular here knows that I loved TJ Watt and hated Malik McDowell. That being said, they traded down a couple times and ACQUIRED extra picks to pass on Watt and draft McFailure. One of those acquired picks turned into Chris Carson in the 7th round. I can live with that to a certain degree. The draft is a crapshoot.
However, they TRADED UP for Taylor. Not only did they forfeit an opportunity to draft a Jeremy Chinn, DaVon Hamilton, etc. with their 2nd round pick but they also threw away the 3rd round Earl Thomas comp pick to go get Taylor. That is even more unacceptable than the Malik McDowell disaster. Add to the disaster is the fact that the Steelers took a young superstar in the making, Chase Claypool with the pick after Taylor.
Sad situation, for the team and the kid.
Another McDowell but for a different reason?
It’s trending that way it seems.
Except I get the McDowell pick. They had a loaded roster, he was a top-10 talent who fell and it was worth taking a chance on him. His recklessness on a quad bike ruined his chances of a career. I wish they’d taken TJ Watt instead but I don’t blame the Seahawks for taking a shot on McDowell.
On Taylor — it was a pure desperation move. And he was already injured. They took him anyway, traded up for him too, through desperation over the pass rush.
I think the McDowell pick was a failure of mentoring/training and contract terms. He needed someone to monitor his activities over the summer. Someone needed to emphasize no motorcycles or ATV’s. I say this because I have lost at least 6 young people I know to those activities. And after my friend’s pregnant wife hit a bump at medium speed, fell off her ATV and broke her arm. Fortunately the baby was unharmed.
It’s hard to stipulate something as specific as ATV’s though. What if it was the first time he’d ever been on one?
That’s a good reason for not being on it. People just don’t realize the danger, and people that age think they are immune.
I don’t see why it is hard to put something specific in a contract. How about no drugs, no murder, no smacking women, no atv’s, and no motorcycles.
What about in 2021?
Considering how few picks we have next year, getting Taylor healthy and he could be a defacto 2021 pick for us.
He had a serious leg fracture and a year later, it hasn’t healed.
They were hoping to get him on the practise field at the start of last week. Now he’s going for a second opinion out of town.
I think we need to see him on a football field before we can have any hopes for him playing for the Seahawks.
Looks even worse on the team than McDowell.
McDowell’s injury happened after we drafted him. Taylor’s injury happened before and we just didn’t do enough to look into it.
Pure desperation
20/20 hindsight says that the Seahawks probably would have been wise to retain babysitters for McDowell. COVID may have made it more difficult for the team to thoroughly check Taylor’s injury.
You mean not this year, right?
Right. Different years.)
Alim McNeil (DT, NC State)
I would not be adverse to lining him up next to Reed and in a rotation with Harrison and Ford. You would have a very dynamic DL in the interior….. making Dunlap one of your DEs and leaving only 1 other DE and / or LEO type (Irvin/Mayowa?) to start opposite side. Not a bad looking collection of names who have contributed in the NFL, mixed with a few young pups.
Tutu Atwell (WR, Louisville)
Strong argument for Seahawks taking a swing on him. Feels like he is a luxury pick, but Richardson was not the “traditional” WR Seattle craved and they still took him. They now have their big guys now (Gordon?/Metcalf), so they need shifty/fast WRs the make the offense even more explosive.
Aaron Banks (G, Notre Dame)
I’m tracking you here. I think LG is a priority position to get sorted out in 2021. They brought Lewis in and he contributed from day #1. If you can find another guy along the OL who can contribute day #1 then you have to do it. I love the idea of a fortified LG/C/RG combo that can grow together for 2-3 years.
*sidebar*
Journey Brown (RB, Penn State)
Selfishly, I wonder how he would have translated to the NFL….. but the heart condition was caught and he will not be able to realize that dream.
Were their any other RBs that screamed Seahawks? They have such a set profile, I can’t see them taking any one who doesn;t match it… SPARQ, Production, Grit wise…. in a 5’10” 220 package.
I haven’t seen any RB’s who scream Seahawks so far.
I don’t think LG is a priority position. If Haynes or Simmons have to take that job, or if they retain Iupati, it won’t be the end of the world. I like Banks a lot though — hopefully they can address their other needs and set themselves up to go BPA.
However, there are major question marks on the DL and at corner.
Rob, what about Kylin Hill from Mississippi State?
Yes, he’s one who fits the size/explosive testing range they look for.
Wow he is very seahawk-y, so many hurdles.
Reminds me alot of Carson. Good player
I would love a speedy/shifty receiver, we need someone to run sweeps and stretch the field horizontally and vertically. Hopefully we can find someone in the latter parts of the draft
It’s funny that they’re trying to use Moore in that role. Swain seems like he’s be better suited. Moore looks like he’s running in sand.
To be fair Moore looked serviceable in that position earlier in the season, he’s clearly banged up. Other than Dorsett they don’t have the players personnel-wise to run that effectively, Im not sure if swain is the answer either. It’s weird because Swain’s measurables are nearly identical as Robert Woods, but he isn’t there yet.
I could have sworn they would have used Swain on returns. He was good at that while at Florida. Moore kind of has a pattern of fading as the season goes along. I do like him and hope I’m wrong.
Hopefully we can see more of him then, it feels like he’s either raw or underutilized. Maybe Skybox Schotty can cook up something for Swain. He has the measurables and college tape that makes me think he can do a lot more. With Moore banged up maybe we’ll see more.
Somehow this just dawned on me… 🤯
Can someone please get a pic from behind of “Harrison” “Ford” lined up next to each other!
Just had the same thought two minutes so, lol
Bah. Give me the rookie combo of Brooks and Robinson.
Rob,
Have you had a chance to watch BYU LT Brady Christensen while watching some Zach Wilson tape? He is PFFs top rated OT this year, and was ranked 14th last year while playing a much tougher schedule. He looks like a great technician and plays we great strength. Downsides are his age, and his weight, but it looks like he can easily add on 15 pounds.
Could be a mid round option to eventually supplant Brown on the left side.
I haven’t, sorry
Rob,
You consider Kwitty Paye freaky? Sometimes I think Carlos Basham is too. What range does Gordon go if he does come out? Have you had the chance to go watch Jermar Jefferson from Oregon St yet?
Jefferson (OSU) looks good as a later pick if he declares. He’s probably the best RB in the PAC in my eyes. Very under the radar at this point.
Such a wild card if any of these Pac 12 guys come back besides the ones that opted out to start. Jermar is one of the rare ones that is showing out in this short season.
Anyone have a good feel for the OT class next year? Outside of Sewell the top end seems shallow
I have never believed in a “good draft class” at a certain position.
For example, what about ’19 and it supposedly being a good DL draft class. Who cares if all the pass rushers you want are gone by the time you pick? It does not matter.
I loved the ’19 WR class. I especially loved the Ohio State WRs. But what if you only drafted 1 WR and it was Paris Campell? I loved that guy, but he sucks through 2 years in comparison to his OSU teammate or anyone from Ole Miss. If you “tapped into” that receiver class… it doesn’t matter! No?
The 2019 draft class has had multiple stand-outs. For example, Paris hasn’t lived up to the hype per sai, but he has only been in the league 2 seasons… and could still improve. He had dog doo doo throwing him the ball and battled some injuries in year 1.. sadly, year 2 had different and more consequential injuries pop up.
Remarkable that both of the top end Miss St WRs have shown up big in the NFL…. There were at least 4-5 legit WR taken in the 1st 3 rounds….
I take lots of pride in wanting Olamide Zachaeus as UDFA in 2018. He had something special, and now he is Atlantas WR#3.
This years equivalent is TJ Vasher. There is a highlight video on YT, he is 6’6 and has insane arms. Lots of potential, low floor, low risk.
My recollection is that first rounders are about 60% successful (based on getting a second contract) and the odds just go down from there. So even if you do pick a first rounder 4 out of 10 won’t be successful. By the time your are picking in the 5th round, it is more like 1 out of 5 players will be successful).
or 0 for whatever as Seattle and 4th round WRs 😉
Looks like a good class to me.
Penei Sewell, Oregon
Dillon Radunz, ND St.
Liam Eichenberg, ND
Rashawn Slater, N’western
Christian Darrisaw, VA-Tech
Alijah Vera-Tucker, USC
Spencer Brown, N. Iowa
Rasheed Walker, Penn St.
Sam Cosmi, Texas
Jalen Mayfield, Michigan
Walker Little, Stanford
Teven Jenkins. OK St.
Alex Leatherwood, ‘Bama (probably a G next level)
Jackson Carman, Clemson (ditto)
ZION TUPUOLA-FETUI / DE/OLB UW (red-shirt sophomore)
I didn’t realize he was listed at 6’3″ 280. I had thought he was in the 260 lb range.
He is larger than I was expecting, could play DE in the NFL (???)
I’m sorry – Alim McNeil has put on 50lbs?? Holy moly that’s insane!
A really comprehensive list. I watched ND vs NC, and Banks was the prototype LG. He is as plug’n play like Lewis.
Those ND TEs are all worth a look, especially Tremble.
I think, with our picks, we could also tap into the excellent unloading Boston College OL.
Dyami Brown and Dazz Newsome seem to be good mid round options in a n otherwise meh WR draft. RB also doesn’t look good.
It’s not bad weight either.
The NC State training staff are insane. They’ve transformed several players over the last few years.
Great point about the NC St staff Rob. The Hawks should be trying to nab those guys.
🤔
This guy…
https://twitter.com/JoeyMulinaro/status/1334901333770588165
He was $ for a while. Thanks for the memories.
https://twitter.com/lindsniewski/status/1335000775076954134
Enjoy your retirement Hauschmoney.
Wow, Tony. 😲
https://www.profootballnetwork.com/nfl-rumors-draft-news-pauline-who-are-next-nfl-head-coaches-to-be-fired/
Fields is very good but a couple of those picks he threw last week against Indiana are red flags to me. Russ threw 3 his entire Sr. season iirc.
That’s pretty high praise (saying he could be a better version of someone who will be in HOF one day).
I’m all for some hyperbole, but that’s a bit rich.
Someone has to get the pre draft hype train going for various guys. Might as well get Fields onboard early. Seriously doubt he would go #1 “most years”….. top 10 is more realistic.
Texas RB Bijon Robinson is gonna be a star
I see a resemblance to the fluidity and raw power of Bo Jackson
Rob, have you watched much tape to n Zaven Collins, the edge from Tulsa?
Yes I’ve written about him a couple of times
Blessing in disguise?
We should just rest anyone who’s not 100%. Cedric, Dunlap, anyone. Personally, I’m almost inclined to keep Carson in bubble wrap. Sure, he’s nice to have now. But we NEED him in the playoffs. If we’re up big and PC is still sending him out there to close out the game, I’m gonna be upset.
Agree, but: the Seahawks badly need Carson for the Rams game.
Need to knock some rust off of him. He needs some touches.
Who plays RT if he and Shell are both out?
I’d imagine Chad Wheeler or Tommy Champion would be one of the PS activations for tomorrow.
Best college games today?? I just tuned into West Virginia vs Iowa State.
Something new for the Huskies today. Kyler Gordon starting at safety. That’s different. Don’t know if it’s the result of injury or Covid or not.
Tre Flowers placed on IR
Chad Wheeler activated from PS.
https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks-cb-tre-flowers-placed-on-ir-ot-chad-wheeler-elevated-from-practice-squa
Ok, now I know something is wrong with officiating and the OL.
Chicago OG Ifedi has a grand total of 2 penalties this season.
For reference, he had (at OT) 18 or so in 2019 for the Seahawks.
Holding penalties are down across the league this year, they are letting them play more it seems. There have been a few articles about it on other sites especially earlier this season. Though recently (last 3-4 weeks), it feels like they are starting to call more of them (I don’t have any numbers to back that up but that’s the feeling I get).
I think Rob cursed Elijah Moulden. He’s missed 2 tackles already and was late filling a hole and it’s still the first quarter.
Entire Huskies D looks like puke so far.
Second game in a row they’ve started mentally and physically clunky. Getting gaps against them blown wide open on the line, and already making 3 or 4 bad mental mistakes. I can’t figure out why they came out so flat again at the start. You’d think they would have come out with some real edge after last week.
Now Moulden out hurt.
I was only kidding Rob!
Very flat man. Just a really sad showing so far.
Is it bad?
Not sure. Husky D due to go back on the field. Will let u know if he’s back out
He’s back on the field
I think it was a hand/wrist thing. He had the same irritation last week.
Thanks
In for tryouts today:
QB J.T. Barrett
QB Alex McGough
TE Tyree Jackson
(Remember Tyree Jackson was also drafted as a QB and was most recently Cardale Jones’ backup at QB for the XFL’s DC Defenders.)
Suppose Geno has covid? (I’m not going to the other possibility)
He is back out on the field
Wrong thread
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It couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. the Eagles are “going to need a bigger cornerback”. Cue ominous shark music.
There’s no need for any deep analysis about that first half of the Husky game. Stanford’s OL beat the living crap out of our defensive front. It was an embarrassing display of football manhood.
100% agree
When you get your butt kicked at the LOS you don’t win football games. Not exactly a news flash there.
Talk about someone completely imposing their will on you. That’s Stanford football under David Shaw.
Imagine David Shaw replacing Positive Pete!
OMG what a catch by Ty Jones!
Outstanding!
D needs to step up now.
Here’s to hoping that opening drive of the second half sparks something on the other side of the ball.
Nope. Defense is abysmal today.
If you can’t stop getting gashed on three out of four running plays, the opposing QB has all the time he needs to throw, and the other team is playing almost mistake free…you’re in all likelihood going to lose.
D’oh!
I can’t believe it. Stanford punted. It only took till 20 seconds to go in the 3rd quarter. LOL
If the Huskies pull this one out of the fire, I will make it a point to perform a few good deeds in their honor this week.
Ty Jones would be an intriguing option if he comes out, huge athletic potential but not super consistent, I’d rather take a shifty fly sweep guy though.
No thank you. That dude makes 1 or 2 amazing catches a season and for the rest of the year drops the easy stuff and makes low effort after low effort play.
Such a cool article.
Hey Rob, 710 ESPN is reading and stealing your stuff..You put out a great article on the thought of Richard Sherman and the Seahawks reuniting and now ESPN does the same thing…
Well I don’t own the rights to discuss the topic 😂 😉
The 710 ESPN article was a summary of Bob & Dave discussing a Sherman return. Bob mentioned he’d seen something on twitter suggesting Sherman should/could come back. He couldn’t remember the source of the tweet but said he thought it came from Tom Pelissero or Ian Rapoport. I suspect, given Bob follows me on twitter, he’s probably referring to the article I put out a few days ago. I haven’t seen TP or IR talking about Sherman going back to Seattle and I haven’t seen anything similar to my tweets/piece this week. So it probably was the tweet I put out linking to the article.
Nevertheless, I can’t be sure about that and even if it was my tweet he saw, it doesn’t really matter. It doesn’t bother me. I think it’s a good topic to discuss. And while I’d always love a plug to SDB, I’m not precious about it. This is just an independent blog written by a bloke from England.
More importantly I’d like to see Sherm back. And I’d like to see him come back and finish his career the right way with the right team. Plus it would piss off the Niners, which is a bonus.
Washington making a come back against Stanford. At least the game is interesting.
Over now.
Husky defensive line was an embarrassment today.
Unbelievable that they had three chances on 3rd and long to get Stanford off the field and inexplicably give themselves a chance to win the game. Yet they couldn’t. Very much like the Hawks D most of the season. Frustrating as hell.
I think Stanford has converted all but two 3rd down situations. It’s like the Hawks D most of the season.
Husky pass rush took the game off. Felt like the seahawks against the Bills combined with the Vikings.
UW pups should be outright embarrassed after that ass whoopin. In college football if you win the line of scrimmage, you win the game.
I would characterize the Huskies defensive front’s performance today as a token gesture. I might have to reevaluate some of the personnel up front. I know they’re missing a guy like Latu, but most of the rest came in as pretty high 4 star recruits. ZTF was actually a quiet 3 star recruit. Some of these guys got to start putting their man pants on now.
Wow. Just wow.
https://twitter.com/PFN365/status/1335382440832081920
And this is a disgrace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLcW6Kbr1AI
My goodness…
That’s pretty pathetic right there. No wonder his team came off the sidelines
If we did end up just having three draft picks which three positions would people most want them to target?
I think the usual defensive end pick is a lost cause. I would go for a receiver, a center/guard, and a cornerback. In any order.
My order would be…
1) Any DT or DE with upside potential
2) Best CB or OT you can find
3) Best CB or OT you can find
I’m a little surprised that people have been focusing on OG rather than OT of late. We will need a replacement for Brown and possibly Shell soon enough, and we seem to have a little more depth in the interior line than the exterior, though such a thing could surely be characterized as precarious.
But I’ll take just about any potential upside talent at OL, DL, CB, or even RB.
FAcy is going to dictate a lot this year, though. Crazy year.
I agree with you that offensive tackles are harder to find and more valuable then interior linemen. But lately the Seahawks have been happy to pay veterans. Also we are talking about picks starting at the bottom of the second round, after the tackles have been picked thru. I see a guard as a lot safer pick, like Lewis was.
Basically anybody who pans out and performs as a true starter would be fine by me. So there’s that. 🙂
Free agency will change things, but as of today I’d like:
1. DT
2. DE
3. CB
I like our starting DTs but the depth is horrible. The starters are playing too many snaps and if there was an injury – they’re screwed.
I’d feel differently if Malik Taylor would see the field this year. But with Darrell McDowell looking like a bust, they can’t ignore another legit rusher because as of now Dunlap is the only one and age isn’t on his side and you can’t depend on Robinson developing to be that compliment to Dunlap.
CB concern could/would be my top concern most years, that just shows how bad the state of the DL still is.
I see what you did there (and I liked it).
Sherman says he’s unlikely to return to San Fran…
https://www.nbcsports.com/bayarea/49ers/richard-sherman-says-re-signing-49ers-2021-not-looking-likely
Sherm’s a smart guy. He’s probably looked at the team’s aggregate numbers closely enough to know that as a 32 year old he can’t expect them to pony up for his services again.
Yeah…he’d be a nice stopgap for us talent-wise and leadership-wise. I think he still has a home here.
We’ll see.
Not thrilled with that idea in general. He’s still a bit of a head ache inducing player.
Is he? We’ve heard very little from him over the last three years. He’s been a model of professionalism and leadership in San Fran.
I think Sherm and the Seahawks were right to part after 2017. It was best for both parties. But a reunion in 2021 makes a lot of sense. Seattle has a massive issue at corner and needs a proven, legit, scheme expert who can still play at a high level.
Injuries marred his season this year, likely to be an issue next year as well. Got burned badly in the Super Bowl. I think the better solution is a younger player, either a later round draft pick or an under the radar free agent pick up.
They haven’t drafted a late round corner who’s worked out in years.
All of their outside the scheme additions seem to flop.
Sherman is proven in the scheme and while he’s had injuries, so has half of Seattle’s team. I’d rather take my chances on Sherm than rely on a R5 rookie.
Would love to have him back!
Just the other day I heard Lynch saying he wants Sherm to stay a 49er. We’ll see. I wouldn’t mind a reunion if he brings the same attitude as Marshawn. He’s been a good leader and a teammate for the Niners. Much more quiet than his time in Seattle.
Well Sherman is saying it’ll take a miracle.
Isaiah Wilson suspended for violating team rules. Rough first year for that kid.
All the reports on Jordyn Brooks predraft seemed to mention his maturity level.
May be a good thing to continue to screen for, because even if he hasn’t been amazing, he’s been level headed, on the field, and contributes when he can.
Yep, this offseason/season, perhaps more so than others, there was significant value in bringing mature “grown men” into the program. And you see that with Lewis and Brooks being ready to play on an 8-3 team without much offseason programming. To a lesser extent, Deejay and Freddie being trusted to play speaks well of them too.
Quick mock on Draft Network:
58. Marvin Wilson, DT Florida State
127. Malcolm Koonce, EDGE Buffalo
166. Ambry Thomas, CB Michigan
230. Aaron Banks, OL Notre Dame
Rob and others,
What do you make of the timing of the Sherman not likely to re-sign news? Seems odd in the middle of the season when they are still in the playoff hunt.
Props to Rob for bringing this up as a possibility with a very detailed article.
My read is he is trying to keep his profile high, so when Saleh goes to Detriot… he gets 1 more fat deal.
I think he was just asked a question about it and he answered honestly.
However, I think a reunion is in the offing. It makes sense for both parties.
The Niners have communicated they want him back and are looking into extending him. It’ll be interesting to see where he ends up.
Rob, did you have any thoughts you wanted to share about Diego Armando Maradona passing away recently. He certainly changed the world in 1986 WC.
My dad once stayed in a hotel in Argentina. He heard a load of noise in the next room. Shouting and arguing. He stuck his head out of the door to see what was going on. Maradona was stood there in the corridor, stark bollock naked.
Turf toe sounds innocuous, but it isn’t. They should rest him. Let Dallas get a few more plays. Though I guess they expect Penny back soon, but they could have put Hyde on IR now to get him back that much faster.
DeVonta Smith is a top 5 talent.
https://seahawksdraftblog.com/cfb-week-5-notes-devonta-smith-is-really-good
6’1″ 175, seems a tad small … normally guys who are 6’3″ or 6″4″ 220 go high in the draft.
Not doubting his ability, but normally the NFL FOs are looking for physical freaks.
My only concern w/ him is if he can play thru contact. I have him & Chase neck & neck for WR1 though.
Kyler Gordon is a true sophomore and is not eligible for the 2021 draft.
He played in four games as a true freshman in 2018.
He’s been at Washington for three years.
He is eligible.
So, what you guys feeling for the game today? We gonna make it a struggle or just put Clipboard Jesus away early…?
*Not the real clipboard Jesus, of course, I mean just a career backup, which it seems we somehow always find a way to struggle against…
Workman-like, mostly comfortable but unspectacular win
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.really went out on a limb there didn’t I? 😀
Probably will be unnecessarily messy and close but I’m anticipating the most straight forward win of the season so far with no need for any fourth quarter headaches.
Just for once, I’d like to see 35-6 win where we just score quickly and cruise to a victory. A guy can dream! Probably be more like what Rob described though. I just hope nobody gets hurt.
Exactly. I think we’re long overdue for a blowout win, but we all know PC loves those 4th-quarter nail-biters so he can give his speech afterwards in the locker room… 😜
Best thing to happen today is that everyone walks off healthy. Not worried about the outcome, we could even rest Dunlap and Carson if need be. I’d also consider giving Geno Smith a couple snaps in the last quarter just to be on the safe side corona-wise.
Just once in my lifetime: A clean game, no penalties, no injuries, no wasted timeouts, dominate time of possession, long sustained drives, 75-80% third down conversion rate, offence rediscovers Tyler Lockett and TEs, good balance of run and pass, no fourth quarter drama, and cruise to a 30-point victory. Dare to dream!
Per Rapoport:
Was looking through the SDB archives a bit today Rob. Have you written up FSU’s Josh Kaindoh? I haven’t really been following him. But as a former 5-star recruit, he seems like he has the length, athleticism, and upside the Seahawks would be looking for, but in the middle/late rounds.
I haven’t. He didn’t test well at SPARQ incidentally, despite the 5-star status.
Javonte Williams is a RB I really like. Ridiculous balance, low center of gravity, continually breaks tackles. Excellent vision.
I’ve been meaning to drop a comment about the end of your Seahawks versus Giants preview Podcast Rob. Your insistence that we must beat the Rams is absolutely spot on. I am sick to death of losing to them and looking badly in the process. If this team really wants to compete for a Super Bowl they are going to have to beat the Rams in the regular season and quite possibly again in the playoffs. Also, very little chance for the 1 seed with another loss imo.
Clowney out for the year with a season ending injury. Also Richard Sherman on record as saying he is a FA in March probably won’t return to SF next year. Penny coming back next week and Taylor most likely out until next year.
Who’s this Taylor you speak of?
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Oh, you mean Malik Taylor……….or is it Darrell McDowell?
(posted with full credit to BobbyK for initially coming up with this…I just loved it so much I’m trying to keep it going)
Brownies are giving it to the Titans.
Always enjoy a Fat Guy Touchdown
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1335656105469386753
You notice he hung on to the ball after the TD. Guessing it’ll be on his mantle for, oh, THE REST OF HIS LIFE!
In that case , you might enjoy this video
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b1EM2Qpn4gY
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Ha! My favorite Lacy play is in the playoffs vs Arizona. He busted loose and had nothing but green in front of him. He simply ran out of gas about 20 yards short of the goal line and got caught. Had me giggling uncontrollably.
“mini Beast mode”
Dude ran more like Alexander than Lynch…. on the vast majority of the runs shown.
Rob, I know we don’t have the draft capital; but have you had the chance to watch Malik Willis of Liberty. I would love to have someone to learn behind Wilson. Phenomenal athlete with a great arm.
Also while I think Kylin Hill is a fit, what about Elijah Dotson similar player just a smaller package; seams to be a guy who can do it all. He really seems to like contact.
A corner I’ve been watching is Allie Green, and
Green showed well vrs Oklahoma State. Not 4.4 speed but seems to cover well in press and zone.
Robert Rochell also seems like he might fit and he is fast.
Any thoughts
Jets leading the Raiders. Would love to see them win so they could relax and not worry about going 0-16 and then not care so much next week.
Is Dunbar back?
Think I saw one more week. Reed at CB today I believe.
Reed’s been a great get so far.
No, next week at the earliest. Reed starts at CB today.
TY
Falcons giving a good fight to the Saints
Jaguars are holding the Vikings down currently
Tians laying an egg, but showing some life against the Browns
The Seahawks’ inactives vs. the Giants:
RT Brandon Shell, RT Cedric Ogbuehi, G Phil Haynes, DE Jonathan Bullard and RB Travis Homer.
Put Dunlap and Hyde on pitch counts.. call it a day. Getting out of the game healthy is the most important thing right now. Get offense on track/balanced attack and maintain defensive improvements also are secondary objectives.
Jamarco Jones, time to shine.
Not exactly going out on a limb here but expect Jemarco will be better than Cedric was last week.
Every year it’s a new offensive line. Two new players out of five, and a center that never started for more than a couple games. Now that the two right tackles have gotten injured, there will be more new players on the line. Just for once – I would like to see the offense line be put together with some solid players and continuity from year to year. Russell deserves better, and so do the running backs. End of rant!
To my eye test, the OL has been serviceable. Not near the liability that they’ve been over the last 4-5 years. Maybe the NFL recognized the league wide OL horror show & decided to ‘de-criminalize’ offensive holding.
Ifedi with his 18 penalties leaving the team and Lewis being added at RG with minimal errors and working with Shell as a good 2 man right side (RG/RT) are the difference. Perhaps all the false start penalties….. or lack of them, is the real story.
The story is whether Shell can come back, how long Lupati will stay in, and whether the rest of the line will stay healthy. Even if you think this line is serviceable, I bet they change/lose two more starters over the off season.
Titans…… getting back into their game against the Brownies
-10.5 SEA / NYG
Humm…… something fishy here.
LFG
How the hell are the Jets even in the Raiders game…… with a chance to win…..
Adam Gase you had 1 job!
Bold Prediction: If he gets a win, he is getting fired.
Jets will lose. They had a few chances late in other games too but calls some stupid plays to lose it…
Meanwhile the Vikings got their act together and are pulling away from Jacksonville.
We’ve got a derby on our hands folks!
Flacons game, keep an eye on that bad boy.
Keeping the faith….
Okay. Is everybody ready for the Hawks to play down to their competition and make a game of it today?
Game ON!
Falcons got to the saints 13 yd line 2nd and 2 and could not convert the 1st down or score the touchdown and will lose. 🙁
Nice. Carson dishing it right back to Peppers!
Running game looks promising.
1st and 10 from the Giants’ 13 and they don’t hand the ball to Carson even once.
3 points…I’ll take it to start, no stupid 4th and whatever and fail on execution…60 minutes Pete!
The BROWNS!
buahahaha
Jaguars playing pretty well…. for a 1 win team.
Interesting to see this NY dumpster fire up close. I wonder just how good we can make them look before we eventually pull away.
https://twitter.com/NFL/status/1335694147659821056
Would be nice if the Rams could gift wrap a TD to the Seahawks like this.
Oh no 🙏
That didn’t look good on the knee when he tried to cut…
Not at all. Looks like he was a big part of the gameplan so far too
Losing lockett is a huge deal. Hoping we dont suffer crazy injuries. Hope its just a small tweek.
Iupati wiffed on that blitz pick-up
Man Hyde was wide open
Lets feed to carson today. Dont go pass happy.
So I guess we are looking at another ugly game where we eek out a win versus a bad team. I’m just…not hopeful for the playoffs, at all.
*If we win…
Why do the seahawks always play to the level of their competition? It’s so frustrating
It’s why I’ve said that Pete Carroll hasn’t been a great coach for 4 years now. His teams are just woefully unprepared / make every game closer than it needs to be.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice response Kenny. Assuming your a twelve year old.
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They have no plans o fix offense..is it. If u can’t score against shitty nfc east you have no business in play offs.
You paid kings ransom for a safety…and commentators treat him like a backup w.r.t coverage …trade is a disaster. You would expect a Mack, Ramsey performance for that much dough
Here we go making bum QBs look like studs again
Coly McCoy hasn’t had this many yards since the last time I played Madden 15…(he threw a pick as i wrote this)
Seahawks announce Lockett being evaluated for concussion. Questionable to return.
Yeah everybody talking about his knee or ankle I was more concerned with the knee he took to the crown of the helmet.
What’s our record with a league average schedule? 6-5 at best?
Needed that
Neal….a strong play on the TE to make a tough throw….
Made me go back and check when I saw Phillips is #15 on Miami this year because #15 on Miami last year was an absolute stud. I think he opted out due to COVID 19 concerns but I wonder if he will declare as a Rs. So this year or if he can without playing this year. DE Gregory Rousseau (6-7/265/R. So.) – 15.5 sacks last year as a freshman. Jumps off the screen when you watched Miami last year.
The other dude I really like in the ACC is #11 on Virginia. Charles Snowden (6-7/240/Sr) – He shows up every where on the field. Long and rangy, long arms, great sifting through traffic, elite acceleration, potential as coverage LB, elite college pass rusher. He just looks like a Seahawk. Could line up as LEO or SAM. Seems to have some limitation in the run game which would be a concern drafting him.
The TE on Virginia is also a stud. #87 TE Tony Poljan (6-7/265/Sr. 2021). This dude makes plays in every game. Former basketball player and quarterback in high school. Great body control and physical blocker. Lines up at FB at times lifting DE and LB in the run game then makes a catch down field in double coverage. Made a play against miami that was crazy getting his foot in bounds in the back of the end zone. Then against North Carolina he held on to a ball over the middle through two big shots from Safety and Corner and twisted to get in the end zone looking unaffected. I would love to see him in our offense.
Another Miami guy that jumps out who I am curious about is the Safety #5 Amari Carter. The dude just looks like Kam out there at times but other games he is invisible. Such is the position of Safety I suppose but wonder if you have any thoughts on him watching Miami Rob. Thanks for this blog!
Happy Holidays!
Hell yeah!
Great play by both guys!
Run the ball, play action pass time.
Diggs, Neal and Reed are playing well. Is this the feel of a decent secondary ??? Where is Adams, has he been playing?
No worries, the announcers already dubbed him the best player on the field, so he must be…
He is.
Yeah he’s been lockdown so far. NY not looking his way.
Not sure why some of yall are so negative so early. I havent seen anything freaking me out yet. After 4 total drives, its to early to be nervous.
Need Diggs to play well for this defense to be at least average, very encouraging
Agreed
I just won’t understand why seahawks fans don’t like Diggs. One of the best safeties. How much seams or post as he allowed? Imagine how bad this defense would be without him before you start criticizing him.
Yes totally agree. I think people criticize him like he is a bad safety. I just don’t understand. Jamal Adams’ blitzing lets down his grade on PFF. We would be giving up so much deep plays without him. Just look how exposed we were against New England and in 2019 without him
They didn’t seem to be giving up huge deep plays in 2018 when he wasn’t here and they had a good pass rusher.
Here’s the discussion on Adams. It’s purely this. Adams is a fantastic blitzer. That is an asset, without question. However, the need to have him constantly in attack mode often leaves issues at the second and third level. The Carroll system isn’t used to having a player play this way. You have to have him blitzing though because if he doesn’t, that’s akin to asking Russell Wilson not to scramble.
There’s a give and take with Adams that simply exists. And the question for the end of the season is whether or not that give and take is worth about $18m a year.
Giants are atrocious with a backup QB and we are *allegedly* a Super Bowl contender. Not freaking out, but we look like a big pile of meh, yet again.
We are moving ball decently. Defense hasnt been attrocious. Its the nfl, jets almost beat raiders.
Honest question, do you expect this team to do anything in the playoffs? Because the team we are seeing right now is going to have an early vacation.
That’s awesome to hear what DK did. That’s his buddy man
Thank God we are back to not targeting him for entire quarters/halves of games…
Lil’ Buddy
I missed that, what happo?
1st thing he did when that drive ended, ran into the tent to check on Lockett
Lockett had a slip/ankle buckle, took a shot to the head, and rolled up on, all in one play.
No I saw the play. Dude got folded like he was getting stuffed in a suitcase to rob a casino
or a cheap suit*
Passing the ball more than I thought they would….. need balance in the force
I actually like this dink and dunk underneath when its two high
Need to run against the 6 or 7 man boxes…..
Please!
Short passing game can function as de facto run game 😉
Wait, isn’t Elijah Penny, Rashad’s bro? No mention of that earlier.
You’d think thats all they’d be talking about
Passing on a 54-55 yard FG try? I don’t know.
They’ll know Myers’ range today though
Pete likes what he sees from his D.
Make colt mccoy beat you.
Ok the defense made that call to punt work.
Playing for a 2 pt safety
I’m sorry…I just can’t handle Pete anymore. 4th on the 37 and we opt to punt? Jesus…hope you guys are ready for 1 and done in the playoffs.
3 total rushing attempts so far. I don’t like this game plan
Carson looks so good too. Why isnt he more in the gameplan.
Both Carson and Hyde are not 100%..protecting. They can’t trust anyone else..sad.
The DBs (SEA) are playing much farther off the WRs (NYG) than I thought they were going to….. a ton of green grass to work with…
Bobby get your hands up
Seahawks twitter melting down bc of that punt from the 37 😅
Somebody just called Pete Carroll Jason Garrett with Russell Wilson and I-
lol good lord man
Twitter in general is the biggest problem with the world today. I dont need every random persons instant thought or opinion. 99% is uninformed biased bs with little to no knowledge of any issue.
Thats crazy bc you sound like a tweet rn
Thing is, it would have worked out really well because we would have had good field position but we had to hold on the punt return and there goes the field position
The Seahawks are abysmal on third downs on offense.
Is this not a staple of our offense?
Used to be
JAMAL ADAMS THE WORSTEST COVERAGER
:O
I”m seeing quicker tackling in the secondary. Next step is teaching them to punch the ball out.
Thank goodness the defense showed up. Hopefully the O mashed their way to the stadium at some point.
Prez!
This whole offensive game plan has been awful. Russ looks slow and confused back there.
:O
3 running plays with a healthy Chris Carson. Makes 0 sense
Is he though.
I still find it hard to believe, no secondary player (SS/FS of CB) has ever had more than 8 sacks in a season…..
I’m pretty tired of David Moore as the punt returner
Atleast hes sure handed.
He is, but the delayed run every time drives me nuts
Why! He’s dope. He gets upfield, is really shifty, doesnt put the ball on the ground. I imagine we were expecting to use (God I cant remember the name of that 4.3 runner we picked up at WR) back there.
Dorsett!!
The trouble is that he does NOT get upfield. Way too much hesitation. Once on the move, he is good and shifty. But he takes too long to get going. Especially on kick-off returns, which is why they pulled him last week and put in Reed.
Agree. The tentativeness is frustrating. One cut and go David!
I think he’s only doing it today because Reed is starting at CB.
Lockett in the game. Whew
Also looks like Dunlap is on a pitch count. Not playing every down.
Wilson is playing some hot garbage today.
Which is last 5-6 weeks. He is never the same after that Cardinals loss. He took some big shots..
He’s been off for weeks.
Looks a complete shell of the early season Wilson.
Can’t help but wonder if all those picks and the total reliance on him has shaken his confidence or just knocked him off course.
He cant be 100% he took several beatings this season
Sure — because too much of it was on him.
Cooking comes with a consequence, as does propping up a bad defense.
Teams were teeing off.
Needs to find his rhythm
Fall on the ball Russ!
I know we’re crap on third down but we don’t need to start fumbling or botching snaps.
Remember mvp russ? He’s been d jones ever sense
Russell is broken. Man…he’s been a legitimately meh QB since week 7. This is not good.
Once again the seahawks play down to the level of their competition. Just got a text from my wife who is not here at home and it syud ugly. She knows nothing about football and even she conceived this is ugly. I am so tired of this team never playing good football when the opportunity presents itself
Our offense looks like crap. Do we not have any ideas?
Is it too early to say the defense is playing better than the offense today? Glad Seahawks dodged the injury bullet with Lockett, that would have sucked.
I thought they used Reed last week for returns? I like him better than Moore.
Offense is playing like trash
It’s the absolute truth. Defense playing solid so far.
Freebie for giants. Nice.
No catch. Good challenge
Russell Wilson is shell shocked
why though? hes had pressure his whole career. unless hes hurt – i dont get it.
Well thats an easy challenge. Shame we gotta waste one there.
Ok, we’re gonna win that challenge, but really worth it for a 6 yd gain on 1st down…?
That was my immediate reaction.
What’s the point?
Make them earn it, Rob. Whats the point of keeping a challenge in your back pocket and letting them have the first?
Great challenge.
*nods head about challenge*
I’m with Rob, that could cause problems later. You lose one later and that’s it. I think you should not lose a challenge if you win it, then that would be a good call.
I see your point, but in 30 seconds you wont be able to challenge anything anyway
Do challenges not reset at half?
1 per half, 2 successful = 3rd bonus challenge
Nope
I guess it was probably gonna be the last chance to use one for this half then, huh.
No.
What if something dumb happened before the end of the half? A huge refereeing error? Or even two?
You have to make calculated decisions. Trying to overturn about six yards is a situation you just eat.
By the way, it’s not one per half.
It’s two challenges for the whole game then an extra one if a challenge is successful.
Exactly. Not worth the risk of needing it later to save six yards.
Thanks for clarifying.
These things do happen, but it was only like 90 seconds before the 2 minute warning and it was likely he would win the challenge
Because you only get so many challenges.
Pete is challenging Giants to score 3 points. Offense will play ultra conservative.
Yes? What do you mean, earn every yard.
what is going on w russell?
Been hit too many times. Now seeing ghosts.
but this isnt his worst o line – he’s been getting hit for years.
its weird. his focus seems off to me.
Carson 6 carries for 42 yards for a 7.0 /carry against the #5 ranked rushing D.
Nice to have him back.
Yes it is. Seahawks thrive on that powerful back.
Runs of 11, 11, 7, 4, 7, 2
Good thing the Giants offensive play calling has been kind of garbage in this second quarter
Focus
Crispness
Discipline
This is where real teams close out the half with an actual drive.
C’mon now Seahawks get me lit daddy Metcalf
6 man box, not rushing….. : /
Hell, I would take a fly sweep at this point lol
Mike Iupati having a shit day
For the love if God THROW THE FOOTBALL AWAY
This offense. My word.
No imagination. No tempo. Very little execution. Quarterback completely off his game.
Stale
I’m not sure if that was a screen or the innovative one man blocking offense.
Tv guys said it was a screen, which lines up with the linemen being downfield. Thing is, since Russel knows they are going downfield he CAN NOT hold the Ball. When the play blew up, he should have taken off running immediately.
“Horrible” would be a kind adjective
cant remember russell looking this bad.
indecisive. inaccurate. dont know what to say really.
Wilson looks…. Not Good.
Maybe he’s shell-shocked from all those picks but it’s like Russ doesn’t trust his eyes anymore, really anxiety-inducing to watch
Throw the ball, Russ.
Giants need to go hard play action on second down
Rattled Russ. Commit to Carson in the second half.
I would go hurry up 2nd half.
This team has no shot at a Super Bowl none zero zilch zip nada
Not with Wilson playing like this
These over reactions are great. Go watch our super bowl seasons. You will see close games vs bad teams.
You will also see dominant wins…which this team does not have.
Probably gonna end up 9-3 after today and just feel like the season is already over. Just a weird year. Russell having a miserable season after an incredible 4-5 week run. Amazing how far he has fallen.
They could finish 12-4 at end of season – but they are so flawed!!! At least the defense is coming together.
I’ll be completely shocked if this team wins a single playoff game this year.
I’ll be the saddest fan of a 9-3 team ever
Imagine if you’d paid $300 bucks for a ticket to watch this garbage.
That is some kind of play from Prez
Whooooo
Holy F***
Russ isn’t cooking anything anymore.
Can he take pay cut.. could really use some $ to beef up other positions
How did Deejay Dallas not score there???
It’s a difficult play.
DJ Dallas. Geez.
DJ Reed 😀
He should take every return. Miles better than David Moore.
How did DJ Dallas let that squirt away. It was right in the bread basket!
Is that DJ Dallas that cost us 5 points by not being able to just fall on the football?
Gift wrapped for him.
Nyan Real.
Him & Reed are gamers
Mos def
Rookie stuff from Dallas and Hart. You expect it
How do you make such a mess out of a good play
Reed gonna break one eventually. he motors.
Geno Smith anyone?
Russell is broken. Seriously…there has to be something wrong with him.
This is typical winter time Russ. The last quarter of the season Russ always falls off.
That was the first half of football in Russell Wilson’s career.
What a waste…
5-0 at halftime, who had that?
10.5 point spread
*Worst not first haha, damn autocorrect
We knew what you meant. We are watching too.
So Russ needs to be more accurate on his throwaways.
Russ needs some good practice on throw aways.
The defense and offense have completely switched roles. Jamal Adams and Jordyn Brooks both look fantastic. Russ looks concussed at best.
And to be fair the defense is playing Colt McCoy.
And Brooks could have had a pick early
This team’s offense is completely broken
Man, talk about ending the half with a thud.
Easiest TD you’ll ever score in the League and he drops it.
Shout out to Bevell for 1st win as a HC. Hope he learned some from Pete.
Game has felt like watching a controlled crash
D and ST are playing well.
God, how do we break Ramsey and Donald, Sherman and Bosa, Packers and Chiefs, if we can’t score a td in two quarters with Giants? At least the D holds.
Russ 12/20 ~100 yards 5ypa and a fumble
Not the worst but we’ve seen what he can do. What a disappointment
It must be the rain that’s causing the problems for Wilson
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Oh wait 🙁
Im really surprised so many arent used to these games. The hawks/rw do this 4 or 5 times a year. The offense takes 2-3 qtrs to show up. Then turn it on late. Is it annoying? Yes. By were up 5-0 at half time. Not down 17-3, this isnt a precursor to anything in playoffs or what this team will look like in a month. Just get wins. Get division and high seed. Rw is still great, he just goes thru these funks every year. Lets not read into every play and try to predict future outcomes.
Playoffs are about hot teams. Just be set up by then.
I just be hoping for magic every time this team takes the field because we’ve seen what theyre capable of.
Me too. But this is the same thing we see every year. We win ugly a ton. But hardly ever collapse and go belly up.
Get to the dance. Hope the magic shows there. For god sakes, crippled manning won a sb, flacco won a sb. Crazy stuff happens there
How many years do we have to say this though?
And how many times over the last few years has the ‘crazy stuff’ been a massive half-time deficit and a failed attempt at a second half comeback.
I want to see clean football for once against weaker opponents and comfortable wins.
Not tonight unfortunately. All I wanted was an easy win…never happens with the Hawks…
I can only watch the games. I have no control over the handlings. I would love to have a dominant team or a clean on all 3 phases team. But in reality getting to the dance and winning there is always the plan.
The fact we are, whether its easy or not, a perenial playoff team. That is something. Do i want more? Hell yeah. But in reality this is who we are. I just refuse to throw in the towel and say its over and we dont have a chance.
The Seahawks need to fall behind so they can have another 4th quarter come from behind win. It’s so much more exciting then. I mean they are trying to keep the score close.
Of course hope you are right but I don’t see it.
I take complete 1st half with blah feelings. Cause ive seen rw do impossible things. Its much better staying calm, until the 4th. And id be freaking if we were 6-5 vs 8-3. But i hope we win these few games vs bottom teams.
Appreciate the optimism but this team has been underwhelming all year and is fueled exclusively by a terrible schedule and some lucky wins. I have no idea what you’ve seen this year that leads you to believe this team has any shot in the playoffs. RW has been average to bad since the Bye. The Defense has looked good twice – against the 2 worst offenses in the league. When we play good teams, we have looked clearly inferior (Rams, Bills).
I don’t know…I have no hope, but I do hope I’m wrong. I’ve yet to watch a single game this year and think, “this team has a chance to win it all.”
Ive yet to see a full team win. When all 3 phases show up. Thats it really. I see flashes every game all around. But thats the key, we are 8-3 and havent played great football all around.
I wouldnt say this team should be in SB contender talk. But all that noise is just talk. Wake me for playoffs. And hopefully we show up better there. Thats all that matters.
Defense pitching a shutout. Really only the one good drive that ended with an INT.
Special teams is special.
Offense not even batting their weight.
Championship teams pick each other up when one unit is struggling.
Im going full silver lining today lol.
How do you miss three face masks (AT THE POINT OF ACTION)
Remember when this offense was dropping well over 30 on a Bill Bellachick defense? That seems so long ago…
Great run for Carson and you see him protect the ball as he enters traffic.
Looks like Lockett cheated on that concussion check
Utterly and completely broken
This offense is completely broken.
The Cards showed how to beat Russ in game #1 in the second half and now all teams are doing it and the Hawks can’t figure it out.
not only does russell look bad, the whole offensive scheme looks stale.
This one’s on Schotty…
Very possible this team loses its last 3 games of the regular season
My biggest concern heading down the stretch is Russ not the Defense, I would never have dreamed that was possible, he has been brutal for a month and half now,
Meanwhile the Rams are spanking the Cardinals with a heady mix of physical, productive running and complementary passing.
Ive never heard anyone describe football like you 😂😂
” … a heady mix of physical, productive running and complementary passing.”
Sigh … if only.
Is it a coincidence that the offense sucks playing against a good defense and the Defense is playing great against a bad offense.
Um can you not
There playing against a team that is 4-7.
we are supposed to have a good defense.
this isnt the ‘86 Bears we’re playing
Seattle is in extreme danger of losing this football game
Stink comes by it honestly.
🙂
Defense still pants
🙂
Mis-post. Nothing to be happy about today
Embarrassing defense. The bed-sh*tting has now spread to the D.
The defense is playing Colt McCoy.
The Giants are going to try and run.
It took three plays to score on an 80-yard drive.
Safe to say that drive was a punch to the face of D. Still, this game is on offense not shitting itself.
Carlos had some nice soft hands on his catch. I’m sure that’ll go overlooked with so much slop to admire everywhere else.
commented on the wrong thread ><.
Mid 3rd qtr, down 3.
Those crying its over, maybe we try playing another 20mins. See what happens.
How about we come out and put away an inferior team from the beginning? How about were playing a team with Colt mccoy at quarterback?
Colt mccoy isnt beating us. The giants d is doing the heavy lifting. Which has been very solid this year.
Well over 30 against a Bill Belichick defense.
Ok time to show up offense, I’m starting to get concerned.
Giants are now challenging Hawks to score 3 points.. times have changed.
Why does Tyler Lockett always look some clumsy when changing direction? Seattle needs a receiver that can make plays after the catch.
We also need to be able to run routes that are at least 5 yards downfield, on 3rd and 4.
Can anyone explain to me why we aren’t going hurry up an offense?
Completely and utterly broken
No words to describe this disaster. Enough of Pete and Russ.
Wtf is that 4th down call?
Good grief. It’s 6 “!!!!!
Seahawks getting thoroughly out-coached yet again.
Jason Garrett out coaching Schotty and Pete.. good grief.
Job posting:
Critical Down Play Consultant.
Seattle, WA.
Why do we not want to run the damn ball, way too cute with the playcalling on O today. Complete waste of a fine effort on D. The offense is wearing OUR defense down. WTF
Now they’re getting out-coached and having their arses kicked.
Utterly and completely on both accounts
Defence now falling apart as well.
Hey guys they have Colt mccoy quarterback there going to run the football your getting beat by a team that you know what is coming
This is sad.
I don’t blame the D at all for starting to crash, they held their ground and gave Wilson enough chances, now of course confidence is long gone.
I’m waiting until Tony tells us when we can start worrying.
This is pathetic
Losing at home to Colt McCoy? Season over.
Sir, this team can beat itself anywhere.
I cannot believe how much shit I get for critiquing this team
You hater, you.
Someone needs to Rob. Feels like a typical ‘turn up and we’ll win’ attitude. Poor. Really poor.
8ater 😉
Fully love the critiquing. Hate the fire pete, tear it down crying from many. But nobody should say this team isnt flawed.
Well, there’s a little break, at least…
Let’s get out there with some urgency. I’m so tired of Russ snapping the ball with 00 on the play clock every single time.
I’d just start assuming they are being ironic.
Reality check time, too much talking about MVP and Super Bowl without enough to back it up.
Mvp talked died week 8 and when has super bowl realistically ever been talked about?
It’s 4th down and 1 on a game-changing possession where you need to possess the ball and move the chains and answer their score, you profess to want a tough, smash-mouth identity, you have a healthy Chris Carson in your backfield, and you run a chickenshit finesse play to give the ball back to the Giants. Then they proceed to do to you exactly what you were too scared to do when you refused to run between the tackles. They deserved that result.
VERY well said.
But you’re supposed to let Russ cook
The New York Giants….
Colt mMcCoy,….
At home…..
Wilson needs to be benched
That sack is 100% on Russ.
When he takes a sack.. you are a mile behind sticks already.
“Look at the coverage!”…
As Lockett is wide open downfield.
Swain too I think
Yep, wide the hell open
I just can’t believe this from coaches.
You had the chance to run in 1st half, score points and control game… no..we pass fail.
Now fall behind and have to score in a hurry..no run fail.
losing all aspects, and outcoached. this is the time of the year when your supposed to be playing your best
Cant believe what Im watching. Looks like a pub team
All the progress that Russ made in the last few years with Schotty has regressed, he’s back to peeling out of the back of the pocket, throwing off his back foot, hesitating. Maybe we need Schotty back on the sideline, not like he’s getting much insight from the booth anymore.
Fire Pete. This is unacceptable
Makes sense. Lol
Trade Russ plus 1 or 2 firsts to the first team overall and draft Lawrence. Wilson doesn’t have it anymore. It’s not in his heart. His family is first. Football is last on his list of priorities. Dudes washed up big time.
We don’t have any 1st round draft choices until 2023
I mean Wilson and we get 1st overall and another 1st rounder in 2022
Will you come back to earth for a second…we can blame the entire team. Can we avoid crap that’s entirely unrealistic.
Times ticking hawks. Better do something quick.
Jets would never, ever make that trade.
Wow, after the beginning of this season, when the games were frustrating but thrilling, the games are now extraordinarily uninspiring and honestly boring.
Russ is making the wide receiver who the broncos had to trot out against the saints at QB look like a mix of Joe Montana and Dan Marino.
Yep, this ain’t our day.
Upset sunday hit us.
I can’t watch this anymore…
Welp…
This is already sardonic. Not even mad.
We were due for it tho.
Super Bowl level teams are never do for a game this bad
Yes they do. Every year. No team isnt above themselves playing down to teams. Or dropping winnable games. Nfl parity is a thing.
Seahawks offense definitely forgot to show up today
Big balls Pete should prove it by sending Wilson to the locker room
Good waste of a timeout. PLEASE FIRE PETE.
Very very strange
Coaches and Russ has no clue……
Man i hope we show up here on out and the offense comes back. Schotty and RW need to fix this. Washington pass rush is going to be a fun day.
A timeout on a FG attempt???
Wouldn’t you agree Pete is trying something creative there..
Probably was precaucionary against fake kick.
Jets would be laughing all the way to the draft if we lose out.
If we lose out, then theres some sweeping changes coming.
Then I’ll be hoping we lose out.
Well please root against us quietly to yourself. This is still a pro seahawk site.
I am as pro-Seahawks as there is – I just don’t know how much more of this I can watch.
Nope. Pete just signed a 5 yr extension.
It won’t mean a thing if they want to move on..consider parting 🎁
Dream attic changes need to be made.
Normally, 2 touchdowns down, 10 minutes to play…no problem, right. I’ll be surprised if they gain 10 yards total in the next 10 minutes
We probably had 12 men on the field.
Can we pls throw to DK?!
Dude has feet for hands.
I seen better hands on a snake 🐍
Rw is afraid to throw. So hesitant. Hes confused or thinking too much.
Running out of RTs : /
Never thought I would say these words
God we miss Brandon Shell
Really?
I said it several times last game.
Sign another RT and drop Ogbluehi.
Shell has been pretty solid this year. Definitely miss him. Down to our 4th RT now.
Don’t give me hope…
Totally on the D now
No matter how bad Rw plays, this is the scariest thing any game.
Someone earlier said 4th quarter 1 score game….. here you go
Need to play perfect here on out. Slim margin for error.
100
Jamarco Jones groin injury – out for the game.
About damn time!
Wheeler looks like an out of shape Tight end.
Its really luke willson.
Yeah Diggsy!!!
Brooks been solid today. I definitely see the potential. Hope he grows to a great player.
Jamal Adams beat in coverage on third down.
At least the 2nd time today to whenever one else was blitzing
If I were the reporter he bullied last week, I’d get him to press conference and ask him about his coverage.
Jamal Adams Coverage Watch 2020
Media covering his play more thoroughly than he covers his man.
Allowing a 118 QB rating in coverage this year
Can’t afford to fail on too many more 3rd and longs
Oh man. D has to make a stop soon.
Must get a stop here in order to win the game
Colt Mccoy…the ultimate test
The gameplan im sure was dont make mistakes. This is on the run defense and all offense.
Worst 3rd down offense and defense.. how do you expect to win ?
This is game here. Unless you like potential hail mary prayers.
Time to win the game.
If they win this, it’s just crazy.
PLEASE give Chad Wheeler help
Time for Russell Wilson’s specialty – the 4th quarter comeback.
Step it up, Russ.
Timeout there?
Best pass russ threw all game
Staring down his receiver and a terrible choice very lucky
OMG
Russ can’t blame anyone but himself, he’s had plenty of time all game
Not sure if we can make that judgement without watching all 22. Did not seem that WRs were open all day.
But his inability to get rid of the ball is pathologic.
Defense stepped up except for a couple brain farts in run defense. Offense was lethargic. Abandoned the run (which was working on the perimeter) and they teed off their pass rush against our 4th-string RT.
Did not deserve to win this football game anyway. And absolutely miserable performance
Back up (RT) and Back up LG in game at the end….. yikes
It would have been unfair to hide this awful game under a lucky win again. We’ve been winning a lot of lucky games and the huge problems that we have don’t get properly exposed. Not that anyone in the coaching staff is doing anything about them.
Russ is like overrated now. Wow. Loss to NYG team without Daniel Jones
Make sure you write only positive things this week Rob. We wouldn’t want to upset anybody by saying the team played poorly. Maybe you talk about Pete’s shoes.
This team will lose 3 of the next 4. What a horrifically awful showing. This thing is about to go off the rails.
Yep, 9-7
Own it russ and schotty. This is on you and the offense. 8-4 now. Gotta win out for division.
The whole team was bad. Defense shouldn’t get any props in this one.
Defense allowed 2 bad drives. Held during the puntfest the offense put forth.
Had to hold up on some short fields. Defense was not the issue.
D was fine. Allowed one drive all day, and that basically all on one long run.
The other TD was after we f’d up the 4th down play, an the FG was when they held the Giants to a 3 and out after the INT.
It’s not the world’s biggest accomplishmnet, the Giants ain’t the Chiefs – but this loss is fully on the offense not being good enough.
Didn’t say the defense lost the game. Offense clearly did. Commenting that the defense wasn’t that good.
I hate Pete’s strategy to the core.. it worked when you had legendary defense to keep offense in game. You have worst defense in entire league and steadily regressing offense..this is the ultra conservative shitty game you call. Suck it up and quit.
Flush the game and season down the toilet and plan for next season with everyone fired.
It’s on DJ Dallas, he corrals the ball, and it’s overtime!:))
I hope he is not on the “hands” s.t.
defense did enough today. russell played like a bottom half of the league QB today – there’s no other way to say it. indecisive all day. not as good w his feet as we’re used to.
today was the day my expectations for this team finally crashed. still thought we had a hope of coming out of the NFC.
a really poor performance by the offense and our QB, and if those two things aren’t there – we’re just an average team.
Backup qbs own pete. Lol. Its the mullens, the mccoys, the mannions that always upset us.
Compare that final drive to our drive against Minnesota a few months ago, Russ has just completely lost the plot. On those last two plays he left Lockett out to dry in double coverage while Swain and Dissly were running free. Then he fled a clean pocket, ran 15 yards back, and chucked a moon ball. The scary thing is his second half decline is becoming a trend now, we saw it last year too.
I seen that as well. Doug Baldwin left because in part for same reasons .leaving guys wide open alot.