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Today the offensive lineman and running backs workout. We’ll also get the measurements for the defensive linemen and linebackers.
If you missed yesterday’s TEF preview, check it out. The workouts to monitor for the offensive linemen are the vertical and broad jumps. We already have the bench press numbers from yesterday.
As soon as we have all the data we’ll be posting 2017 TEF scores for this draft class.
For the running backs, explosive testing (vertical, broad) is also important. The Seahawks have not drafted 4.3-4.4 runners. Speed and the forty yard dash will not necessarily be a key factor. Explosive testing, physicality (running style) and size (+220lbs) is important.
Forty yard dash (OL)
Group one
Isaac Asiata — 5.35 & 5.44
Erik Austell — 5.21 & 5.23
Zach Banner — 5.58 & 5.60
Adam Bisnowaty — 5.23 & 5.26
Garett Bolles — 4.96 & 5.02
Ben Braden — 5.05 & 5.03
Aviante Collins — 4.78 & 4.82
Ethan Cooper — 5.38 & 5.36
Julie’n Davenport — 5.48 & 5.46
Dion Dawkins — 5.11 & 5.15
Jessamen Dunker — 5.05 & 5.00
Pat Elflein — 5.32 & 5.33
Jermaine Eluemunor — 5.17 & 5.22
Dan Feeney — 5.28 & 5.25
Garett Bolles had a 1.71 10-yard split. Aviante Collins had the fastest split (1.68).
Collins (TCU) hurt himself in the initial movement drill. Pat Elflein’s footwork was impressive, ditto Eluemunor and Dan Feeney. Solid.
Nobody is on Bolles’ level of movement and athleticism so far. His balance, control and quick change of direction is so good. Mike Mayock just compared Bolles to Terron Armstead.
The NFL Network has gone to an ad break. NFL.com is showing Tweets by Annie Apple and Nick Mangold. Do they not realise the only people watching this want to see the drills?
Dion Dawkins looked smooth in the 5-yard wave drill.
In the next cone drill, Bolles just exploded out of his stance and sprinted beautifully downfield — again putting the rest of this group to shame.
Bolles is the clear leader among this group. So far Dion Dawkins has looked the next best O-liner in group one.
In the kick slide, Zach Banner laboured. Bolles looked really good again. No surprise there. He was so quick he had to wait for the ‘rabbit’ (O-liner acting as a DE) to catch-up to complete the drill. Dawkins’ kick slide was quite smooth too and Elflein (with a football to snap as a center) also looked good. Eluemunor struggled.
They ask the O-liners to do a drop-back DB drill to test their hip flexibility. Group one was a mess overall. I don’t need to tell you the name of the one guy who looked comfortable. Nobody compared to Laremy Tunsil’s sensational performance in this drill a year ago.
Adam Bisnowaty and Bolles both excelled in the mirror drill. Asiata was nicely controlled for an interior lineman.
Official 40-yard dash times (top-10)
Aviante Collins — 4.81
Garett Bolles — 4.95
Jessamen Dunker — 4.98
Ben Braden — 5.04
Dion Dawkins — 5.11
Jermaine Eluemunor — 5.22
Adam Bisnowaty — 5.23
Erik Austell — 5.23
Dan Feeney — 5.24
Pat Elflein — 5.32
Defensive line & linebacker measurements
Myles Garrett — 6-4, 272lbs, 10 1/4 hands, 35 1/4 arms,
Solomon Thomas — 6-2 5/8, 273lbs, 9 3/8 hands, 33 arms
Charles Walker — 6-1 7/8, 310lbs, 9 5/8 hands, 35 3/4 arms
Deatrich Wise — 6-5 1/4, 274lbs, 10 1/2 inch hands, 35 5/8 arms
Tim Williams — 6-2 7/8, 244lbs, 9 1/4 hands, 32 3/4 arms
DeMarcus Walker — 6-3 5/8, 280lbs, 10 1/2 hands, 33 inch arms
Reuben Foster — 6-0, 229lbs, 10 1/4 hands, 32 3/8 arms
Jabrill Peppers — 5-10 7/8, 213lbs, 9 5/8 hands, 30 3/4 arms
Raekwon McMillan — 6-1 7/8, 240lbs, 9 1/2 hands, 32 1/2 arms
TJ Watt — 6-4 1/2, 252lbs, 11 hands, 33 1/8 arms
Jonathan Allen — 6-3, 286lbs, 33 5/8 arms
Derek Barnett — 6-3, 259lbs, 32 1/8 arms
Taco Charlton — 6-6, 277lbs, 34 1/4 arms
Caleb Brantley — 6-3, 307lbs, 32 arms
Charles Harris — 6-3, 253lbs, 32 3/8 arms
Davon Godchaux — 6-3, 310lbs, 32 3/8 arms
Malik McDowell — 6-6, 295lbs, 34 3/4 arms
Takkarist McKinley — 6-2, 250lbs, 34 3/4 arms
Haason Reddick — 6-1, 237lbs, 32 3/4 arms
Carroll Phillips — 6-3, 242lbs 33 3/4 arms
Ryan Anderson — 6-2, 253lbs, 31 1/2 arms
Alex Anzalone — 6-3, 241lbs, 32 1/8 arms
Kendell Beckwith — 6-2, 243lbs, 33 arms
Montravius Adams — 6-4, 304lbs, 32 3/4 arms
Jaleel Johnson — 6-3, 316lbs, 33 1/4 arms
Tanoh Kpassagnon — 6-7, 289lbs, 35 5/8 arms
Carl Lawson — 6-2, 261lbs, 31 1/2 arms
Elijah Qualls — 6-1, 313lbs, 30 5/8 arms
Dalvin Tomlinson — 6-3, 310lbs, 33 1/2 arms
Stevie Tu’Ikolovatu — 6-1, 331lbs, 33 7/8 arms
Eddie Vanderdoes — 6-3, 305lbs, 33 1/8 arms
Carlos Watkins — 6-3, 309lbs, 34 5/8 arms
Jordan Willis — 6-4, 255lbs, 33 1/2 arms
Chris Wormley — 6-5, 298lbs, 34 1/8 arms
Tyus Bowser — 6-3, 247lbs, 33 1/4
Zach Cunningham — 6-3, 234lbs, 34 3/8 arms
Jarrad Davis — 6-1, 238lbs, 33 1/2 arms
Anthony Walker — 6-1, 238lbs, 30 3/8 arms
Joe Mathis — 6-2, 266lbs, 33 arms, 9 hands
A reminder — Seattle hasn’t drafted a defensive lineman with sub-33 inch arms.
The first thing that stands out is the length of Zach Cunningham and Jarrad Davis. Cunningham has 34.5 inch arms, Davis 33.5 inch arms. Cunningham can help himself this weekend but Davis won’t work out until his pro-day due to injury.
Myles Garrett, Takk McKinley, Malik McDowell, Taco Charlton, Charles Walker and Deatrich Wise have great length.
Some of the potential day 2/3 options also have attractive length — Carlos Watkins, Eddie Vanderdoes, Stevie Tu’Ikolovatu, Tanoh Kpassagnon, Jaleel Johnson, Chris Wormley and Jordan Willis
Charles Harris, Caleb Brantley, Derek Barnett and Tim Williams are all sub-33 inches for arm length. Carl Lawson’s 31.5 inch arms are a worry.
Group two forty yard dash
Kyle Fuller — 5.25 & 5.27
Antonio Garcia — 5.26 & 5.16
Avery Gennesy — 5.42 & 5.35
Sean Harlow — 5.15 & 5.16
Will Holden — 5.45 & 5.48
Danny Isidora — 5.04 & 5.01
Dorian Johnson — 5.28 & 5.33
Roderick Johnson — DNP
Forrest Lamp — 4.99 & 5.00
Cameron Lee — 5.40 & 5.45
Damien Mama — 5.84 & 5.86
Conor McDermott — 5.19 & 5.15
Jordan Morgan — 5.36 & 5.39
Taylor Moton — 5.18 & 5.22
Ethan Pocic — 5.12 & 5.17
Ryan Ramcyzk — DNP
Cam Robinson — 5.15 & 5.16
Justin Senior — 5.64 & 5.56
David Sharpe — 5.46 & 5.44
Nico Siragusa — 5.42 & 5.36
Dan Skipper — 5.42 & 5.42
Sam Tevi — 5.28 & 5.30
Nate Theaker — 5.51 & 5.42
Jon Toth — 5.51 & 5.55
Jerry Ugokwe — 5.63 & 5.62
Chad Wheeler — 5.43 & 5.56
Roderick Johnson is not participating today due to sickness. D’Onta Foreman is not doing running back drills today. Ryan Ramcyzk had labrum surgery and is not competing.
According to Daniel Jeremiah, David Sharpe (T, Florida) is legally blind in his right eye.
Onto the drills — Taylor Moton looked good in the agility drills. Nice back-pedal, decent lateral movement. Chad Wheeler and Cam Robinson also performed well.
One thing is clear — there are not many good athletes in this second group of offensive linemen. There’a a handful at best, fronted by Forrest Lamp. I’m not optimistic we’ll see many great TEF scores when the vertical and broad jump results are made public.
Antonio Garcia got a little aggressive in the kick-slide drill, shoving his guy at the end. He’s edgy.
Taylor Moton did well in the back-pedal drills. Nice hips. Probably the best we’ve seen apart from Garett Bolles.
Broad & vertical jump results — O-line
Garett Bolles jumped a TEF-busting 9-7. That’s the fifth best broad jump by an offensive lineman since 2006.
Broad
Garett Bolles — 9-7
Dorian Johnson — 9-6
Forrest Lamp — 9-3
Will Holden — 9-3
Nico Siragusa — 9-2
Taylor Moton — 9-1
Antonio Garcia — 9-0
Jessamen Dunker — 9-0
Ethan Pocic — 8-11
Cam Robinson — 8-10
Dion Dawkins — 8-10
Chad Wheeler — 8-9
Isaac Asiata — 8-6
Dan Feeney — 8-5
Pat Elflein — 8-3
David Sharpe — 8-1
Adam Bisnowaty — 8-0
Damien Mama — 8-0
Zach Banner — 7-8
Moton was wrongly credited on the NFL Network with a 9-10 broad jump. It’s actually a 9-1.
Vertical
Forrest Lamp — 27.5
Taylor Moton — 30.5
Isaac Asiata — 25.5
Zach Banner — 23.5
Adam Bisnowaty — 29.5
Garett Bolles — 28
Ben Braden — 28
Julie’n Davenport — 27
Dion Dawkins — 26
Pat Elflein — 23.5
Dan Feeney — 28
Kyle Fuller — 26
Antonio Garcia — 31
Avery Gennesy — 20
Sean Harlow — 30.5
Will Holden — 28
Danny Isidora — 29
Dorian Johnson — 30
Damien Mama — 24.5
Conor McDermott — 28.5
Ethan Pocic — 27
Cam Robinson — 26
David Sharpe — 20.5
Nico Siragusa — 32
Dan Skipper — 26
Sam Tevi — 26
Chad Wheeler — 20.5
The big shock of the day is Leonard Fournette only managed a 28.5 inch vertical. Dalvin Cook only managed a 30.5 too. Compare that to Christian McCaffrey’s 37.5 or Alvin Kamara’s 39.5.
Fournette didn’t participate in the broad jump for some reason. Cook managed a 9-8 while McCaffrey (10-1) and Kamara (10-11!!) excelled again.
Alvin Kamara is by far the most explosive running back among this quartet.
Initial TEF scores
I’ll have a bigger piece on this later.
Taylor Moton — 2.86
Forrest Lamp — 3.23
Isaac Asiata — 2.96
Adam Bisnowaty — 2.51
Dion Dawkins — 2.75
Pat Elflein — 2.34
Dan Feeney — 2.68
Antonio Garcia — 2.89
Dorian Johnson — 2.92
Ethan Pocic — 2.81
Garett Bolles — 3.00*
Cam Robinson — 2.67*
Nico Siragusa — 3.13
* Garett Bolles and Cam Robinson did not do the bench press. They are given a projected score based on the average bench rep number for this draft class (24 reps).
I’ll have a bigger piece on this later — but so far TEF has identified only three truly explosive offensive linemen in this draft class: Forrest Lamp, Garett Bolles and Nico Siragusa.
Isaac Asiata was close (2.96). Ryan Ramcyzk and Roderick Johnson didn’t work out due to injury. I’ll have a bigger article on this later today.
Here’s a note on draft order:
Eagles win coin toss and pick 14th in first round; Colts lose flip and pick 15th.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 3, 2017
Isaac Asiata has been doing an interview with NFL.com. His character and personality are A+.
Running back forty yard dash
Chris Carson — 4.58 & 4.60
Corey Clement — 4.68 & 4.76
Tarik Cohen — 4.42 & 4.42
James Conner — 4.66 & 4.68
Dalvin Cook — 4.50 & 4.50
Leonard Fournette — 4.51 & 4.52
Wayne Gallman — 4.57 & 4.60
De’Angelo Henderson — 4.48 & 4.48
Brian Hill — 4.54 & 4.61
Elijah Hood — DNP
Kareem Hunt — 4.66 & 4.62
Aaron Jones — 4.52 & 4.50
Alvin Kamara — 4.53 & 4.65
T.J. Logan — 4.37 & 4.44
Marlon Mack — 4.50 & 4.51
Christian McCaffrey — 4.49 & 4.59
Jeremy McNichols — 4.52 & 4.49
Samaje Perine — 4.66 & 4.70
Donnel Pumphrey — 4.49 & 4.50
De’Veon Smith — DNP
Jamaal Williams — 4.60 & 4.63
Joe Williams — 4.42 & 4.54
Stanley Williams — 4.51 & 4.44
Zeke Elliott ran a 4.47 a year ago at 225lbs to put Leonard Fournette’s 4.51 at 240lbs into context. Here’s a good way of looking at it:
Zeke Elliott (225lbs) — 4.47
Dalvin Cook (210lbs) — 4.50
Leonard Fournette (240lbs) — 4.51
Fournette is 0.01 slower than Cook but weighs 30lbs more. He’s 0.04 slower than Elliott but weighs 15lbs more.
The Seahawks haven’t drafted a burner at running back. Michael (4.54), Prosise (4.48) and Turbin (4.50) were explosive rather than really fast.
There was a lot of talk pre-draft about how quick the likes of Brian Hill and Kareem Hunt would run. They only managed a 4.5 and a 4.6 respectively.
The most important numbers for this group in relation to Seattle will again be the broad and vertical jumps.
Some really intriguing guys with the measurements so far you would think the Hawks would love.
Daeshon Hall (DE / Tex A&M) The prototype size wise 6-5+, 265lbs, 34 5/8″ Arms, 9 1/2 Hands
Tyus Bowser (LB / Hous) Like this guy more every day 6-3, 244lbs, 33″ Arm, 10 1/8 Hands
Dalvin Thomlinson (DT / Alb) Ideal size for a Hawks DT 6-3, 312lbs / 33″ Arms, 10″ Hands
Tarrell Basham (Edge / Ohio) Keep an eye on for 10yd split. Seems like ideal LEO 6-4, 260lbs,33″ Arms, 10 3/8 Hands
These are 4 guys to definitely monitor IMO.
Forgot to add one more guy
Keonta Davis (Edge / Tenn Chat) 6-3 / 274lbs / 33 3/8 Arms /9 Hand
Davis is one I am going to monitor closely. Like him a lot.
Hall is probably my favorite tier two end. In many ways I find his film more impressive than Garrett.
Every body here has been drooling about Bowser for a while. Problem is on
another site I saw he’s visited with like 5 teams, notably. He’s probably not going to last, like we think he is. I’d guess he’s probably gonna go in the second, not going to last to our third, or even our second, like we all hope.
Happy Combine everyone!
Bolles unofficial 10-yard split of 1.71 on his first 40 (4.96).
Only one OL over the past two combines ran a faster split.
Anything sub 5 for these guys is really moving.
Collins is getting down that line.
His father and brother were track stars at TCU and it shows. That is fast for a man that size.
From a size and athletics stand point he would have been the prototype for an Alex Gibbs ZBS lineman. Cable seems to prefer bigger guys however.
I was referring to Collins not Bolles.
Bolles 4.91, 1.69 split, and who is this Collins guy??
Has anyone watched any tape of Collins? It looks NFL draft site listed his arms at 33 3/8″ arms. That’s a little short at tackle but is workable. Here is what the NFL draft site said about him:
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/aviante-collins?id=2558251
Rob what do you think about him, is he a possible candidate for our last third?
Let’s wait and see his TEF score… 🙂 We won’t have to wait long!
Good to see Collins tough it out and run the drill. JS mentioned in his press conference they like to see guys do that, while of course being prudent with the injury, etc.
Terrible, terrible kick slide by Banner…
Agree Dawkins looked pretty good in kick slide and Davenport not to bad to my eye either.
Small school Davenport unprepared?
It looks like Banner has eaten himself out of the NFL. His 22 reps in the BP were disappointing. Now he turns in a slow 40. That is not going to get it done. I had hope for him when he lost the weight but it seems he got serious about the NFL 4 years too late.
How about Collins?!
That’s how you show up!!
Agreed. Was just going to mention that. Looked smooth going backwards. But Bolles did like full 180 hip turns with no steps in between. Amazing.
He has Tunsil like hips.
his father, Bill, is in the TCU Lettermen’s Hall of Fame as a legendary sprinter for the Horned Frogs, capturing Southwest Conference titles in the 100 meters in 1974 and 1975 while also winning the 60-yard dash at the 1975 SWC Indoor Championship … his brother, Lavon, is a sprinter and hurdler for the TCU track and field team.
All-Freshman Honorable mention.
Undersized but tough and athletic.
Has played swing tackle most of his career, hmmm
Nice to see Demarcus Walker size 6-3 1/2, 280lbs, 33 Inch Arms and 10 1/2 Hands
Still one of my favorite players in this draft class. Can’t wait to see how he tests to see if he might be in play for us.
Definitely nice. Can’t wait for testing numbers on him. He’s got the technique no doubt.
Bigger than I thought he was going to be. Officially back on my radar.
Haha, I didn’t know if Bolles was mirroring Asiata or Asiata mirroring Bolles…!
Really nice by Dawkins in mirror.
Feeney nice rep too
Two of my favorite Edge Rush prospects had great measurements.
Daeshon Hall and Deatrich Wise Jr are going to be steals for some team.
We may want bigger hands on our DL though
? Wise has 10 1/2 inch hands and Hall had 9 1/2
9 1/2 is small. Especially for someone with such a large frame.
Tiny little arms and hands on Peppers
Foster isn’t as big as I thought. For some reason I was thinking he would be in the 240’s.
Yup. Taco Charlton though…
You read my mind.
How about TJ Watt’s huge hands??
Peppers’ arm length moves him off the radar.
Draft Aviante Collins, let him spend a year as a backup learning technique and adding bulk… and then you might have yourself a real player.
Bucky Brooks has Rueben Foster plummeting to 27 in his latest mock. If Foster is available at 26… I sprint to the podium.
I think Bucky had been on the Tequila when he put that mock together.
The other day when Bucky and Jeremiah put out a mock draft together, a couple times they mentioned they were just throwing out some surprise picks just to shake things up a bit. When you talk so much draft, it’s bound to be a temptation.
But stuff that’s just impossible and asinine??
Oh God…I don’t even want to entertain the idea that he may be available. That would be just a wet dream.
I’ve watched a bunch of TCU with Boykin. To me there seems to be some stuff to like about Collins, but it’s hard to say because a lot of those tapes are against the Big 12 so the defenses can be spotty at best. It’s beyond obvious that he’s an athlete and TCU does mix in some zone with cut blocks. On just a few tapes it seems like he’s leting Defenders get inside him too much and doesn’t really hand fight but sort of swats his arms around trying to bat them back instead of locking in ad drivign them somewhere else.
I’d like to see more of a mauler but Gilliam’s not and Collins has that swing tackle background plus has blocked for a mobile qb, and though Seattle doesn’t really do pace has a background in playing at TCU that does run a quick tempo so you’d hope he would have good stamina through out a game.
Rob,
Is it a concern that Reddick has just the tiniest bit out of range arm length? Does it matter if he’s playing SAM?
His arms at least are over 32.5″ and just 1/4″ shorter than BWagz. It’s right at the edge, but shouldn’t be a determining factor given his athleticism.
IMO: Bolles really looks like a 1-st rounder should, also like Asiata as a potential Rd 2/3 pick.
Collins, Davenport, Dawkins & Eluemunor – all could be later round options with good upside.
so far……..
Dawkins will be doggin for the first round.
It would be insane if two Temple players went in the first
Elijah Qualls with the Joey Hunt arms.
New to the whole combine experience but I find it very intriguing. Blog has been very useful in helping me understand how the draft actually works. Just a query, is Peppers working out with defensive backs on Monday as well or is he only working with the linebackers?
Just linebackers.
Takk McKinley weighted in at only 250. It looks like he is targeting an OLB position rather than DE. He has long arms. I was expecting him to be over 260. Let’s see how he runs.
I guarantee Takk is on the Hawks radar. He is going to blow up this combine with his athleticism.
He would be a great leo/sam. I for sure think he could be on the radar..I believe he is slightly injured isn’t he? Thought I heard something about that.
That’s a great weigh-in for Jaleel Johnson who plays like he’s 6-1 289.
Good run by Isadora, disappointing from Garcia
And Lamp!
Time to throw some OL into your first round mock,
If we could snag Jaleel somewhere in the second I’d love that. Same with Moton in the third, but I think we’d have to make a move to get either.
I was hoping he would come in shorter than he was listed at so he could fall to us 🙁
I think he’s a 3 down DT in a 4-3 scheme. Only time will tell.
I’m a big time Jaleel Johnson fan. Seattle has been talking to DTs..
How about a Western Kentucky left side of our OL for the next 10 years with Fant and Lamp?
Let Glow and Ifedi compete for RG and Gilliam and Ifedi compete for RT.
Lamp looks like the real deal. I would not love using a first round pick on a guard with the defensive prospects available, but I think Lamp might be breaking that first round barrier.
Yeah it would not be my preference either but I think he is going to be a TEF Freak. I would be on board with it if Ifedi could become an RT however.
The only ones talking about Ifedi at right tackle is fans. The Seattle FO is 100% firm that he is staying at RG.
Lamp cracked the 5 second olineman barrier in the 40. Looking more and more like a first rounder to me.
I think Isadora could be intriguing late third…
Stevie T has the long arms. 33 7/8 arms. Yes!
On the other hand, goodbye Anthony Walker, 30 3/8 arms
For real. There are some serious vines on these guys
Jabrill Peppers 5-11/213 w/30.75″ arms – NOT good for LB or DB. 1-st rouder=?
Rapoport said Saints looking for R1 pick for Cooks. Nice try, I say…
No way! Too expensive for any team.
Hey now, you never know unless you try. Cleveland is still an NFL team with multiple first rounds picks, after all…
Brandon Cooks has been productive, and was a 1st round number 20 overall pick. Titans trading 18 for him, knowing he can play in the league well, saves the risk of drafting a 1st round WR…
Like Perrimen, Doctson, Coleman…etc…they haven’t shown anything…
Coleman has…with Mariota, dynamic…!
I know he is not well liked on here but I thought that was an impressive run for Cam Robinson for a man that size. 1.76 10 yd split.
He is not James Carpenter.
For Reference on Bolles
Name 40 Yard (Official) Bench Vertical Broad 3-Cone Short Shuttle
Spriggs, Jason 4.94 31 31.5″ 9’7″ 7.7 4.44
err let’s clean that up:
Name 40 Yard (Official) Bench Vertical Broad 3-Cone Short Shuttle
Spriggs, Jason 4.94 31 31.5″ 9’7″ 7.7 4.44
Height – 6’6
Weight – 301
Arms – 34 1/8
Name 40 Yard (Official) Bench Vertical Broad 3-Cone Short Shuttle
Bolles, Garett 4.96 NA TBD TBD TBD TBD
Height – 6’5
Weight – 297
Arms – 34
Really wish I had the Gamepass today, but since money is a thing, gotta do with the NFLnow coverage
Had hope for mama but he’s slower than pond water
He would be slow if we did an SDB combine 🙂
I’m 5’6 160 lbs and I MIGHT run a 5.00 flat xD
No legion of boom in your future
Not quite.
That’s why I’m here.
I loved to lay the wood in high school though!
Yeah, it looks like all of the USC guys have been sitting together at the lunch table.
Imagine the adversity they faced with those coaching changes. And the reasons for them..
Based on what I have seen so far today there are (4) 1st round OL in this draft.
#1 Bolles
#2 Lamp
#3 Ramzyk
#4 Robinson
Robinson is looking really impressive in agility drills to my eye.
I can see him being on our radar.
Agree he looks really good but will be long gone by 26 IMO.
In an OL starved NFL teams will reach a little
#4 Jags – Bolles
#8 Panthers – Robinson
#11 Browns – Ramzyk
#20 Broncos – Lamp
Leaving us to get Leonard Fournette. That sounds fantastic!
I am waiting for Kpassagnon at 289 pounds to shock the NFL.
And on another topic – Would anybody object to signing WR Brandon Marshal for a year or two?
Kpassagnon has just ridiculous length and hand size
And he is trim and lean at 289…amazing
And yes I think Marshall would be an outstanding fit for 2 years.
Agreed Brandon Marshall would fit in our locker room, as he has grown up a lot in the last few years…plus he could mentor our young WR room…we need a vet in the WR room outside of Baldwin…IMO
I wish we would NOT have resigned ‘the Kearsed One’, and spent $2 million more a year to sign Mohammed Sanu!!!
I am reading that right Moton had a 30.5 inch Vert and 9-10 Broad jump?
If so that is impressive for a huge man.
9-1 Broad for Moton my bad.
9-01 broad I believe
Need to see Moton’s wTEF.
Lamp only 27.5 vert, Cam Robinson only 26
Lamp’s bench press reps pushes him well over 3.00 in TEF.
Accounts for a smaller vert. Lamp had a good broad.
Davis, Bowser and Cunningham each w 33 in plus arms w Cunningham over 34!
Cunningham’s arms are only half an inch shorter than K.J. Wright’s so probably the second longest arms at linebacker in the nfl. If he tests well then he could be the best option at O LB in this draft.
I would definitely not be mad at cunningham being selected. his market share numbers are also awesome.
Bowser weighed in heavier than I thought he would. Need to see how he moves with that weight if he can play a 4-3 OLB or if he’s more of an edge guy
Bolles is defo going top 10. Can’t see him pass the Panthers if not before.
Definitely
“But teams are concerned about his core strength, needs to add weight, age, off field issues…” blah, blah, blah…
Agree 100%
Jags, Jets or Panthers
Asiata and Lamp are looking really good so far in terms of TEF. Too bad the Seahawks aren’t necessarily looking for a guard
28.5 vert from Fournette. meh…
He’s really tall and heavy…
That is awful. 300lb OL have out jumped him.
I’m not going to let one combine measurement sour my opinion on an elite prospect.
He really doesn’t look like an elite explosive athlete. Probably just fast in a straight line and very strong.
Moton will probably meet profile specs.
Nope. He’s gonna be short because of bench.
(but very close, I should say. wTEF he should make it.)
That’s what I was thinking. He would make a ton of sense
Unfortuneatly, I can see a team such as Minnesota, Tampa or Houston snatching him away before 58.
Moton killed the hip flip drill. Just a massive man who can move. Really like him.
Fournette with a 28 inch vertical . . . I’m kinda disappointed by that.
To me, Peppers isn’t even draftable. Maybe I’d spend a 7th on him. Can’t believe people are still talking about him in the first.
He’s average at everything and doesn’t look to have an impressive physical or athletic profile. And I have no idea where to play him. No way he’s a linebacker.
wha??? come on, bro…
To me I see a punt returner/back up safety.
Just because Seahawks wont take someone with sub-32 inch hands does NOT mean they cant be a fantastic player. He’s 5′-11″ and suddenly undraftable because he’s under 6′?!
Good Grief!
I can see you not having a fit for him in your scheme but thats your own staffs failure. That doesn’t mean he is undraftable.
Undraftable was a bit harsh. But a slam still baffled that player with 1 career interception and 0 forced fumbles can be compared to players like Charles Woodson, Eric Weddle etc… that fact that he couldn’t lock into a position concerns me as well.
I am* not a slam
In 12 games he had 6 ypc and 3 touchdowns. 15 tfl, 3.5 sacks, a pick and a forced fumble.
Averaged 14 yards on 2 punt returns per game. Scored 26 points including a 2 point conversion and a punt return td
“I’m not going to let one combine measurement sour my opinion on an elite prospect.” – You, ten minutes ago
I never considered peppers elite. I’m basing my opinion more on his lack of position, production, physical measurables and overall athletic profile. I’m not referring to one combine drill in this post.
It’s the scheme that cannot facilitate him that is broken. Not the player.
I base my evaluations on what a player can do not what he cant.
That Moton is a Mountain!
Moton at 91.23 wTEF. Ifedi was 96.1 as a reminder.
There we go…
RB-Kamara = explosive, better #’s than I thought.
Kamara 39.5 vert, 10’11” broad!
Fournette with a 28.5″ Vertical?
Fournette is Alex Collins :)?
If McKinley falls due to shoulder concerns… I sprint to the podium.
Antonio Garcia just Fricken punched a guy in the kick slide drill. It was awesome. Intense.
He’s mean but kind of light and slow
Same Tevi of Utah has impressed me in drills.
Tevi is just technically pperfect and has a could frame with little to no bad weight.
Chad Wheeler looks like a fat tight end and not a linemen. I would pass on this guy.
Wheeler and that tall Skinner kid look super stiff. Skinner isn’t a football player. He needs to try out for the NBA.
Tyler Moton at RT, being talked up by Mike Mayock, et al – seemed to have swivel hips in last drill.
Physically speaking Moton is the most imposing lineman I’ve seen today.
Dorian Johnson kick-slides pretty nicely. 9’6 broad almost equalled Bolles’ effort, 21 bench (35 1/4 in arms fwiw). Waiting on the vert, but put him on the list already to go back and watch…
Rob’s been all over this cat!
30 inches on the vert
There you go!
Takk McKinley will be on the Hawks radar if he get’s close to 26. Similar size and athleticism as Bruce and would play similar role. I know Bruce was a freak but I bet Takk puts up some very good numbers.
I see Tak more as a LEO for us. His frame and numbers are almost identical to Avril at his combine.
Let’s see him run…
And those medical reports….
You are right. I would go with McKinley in R1 and Pocic in R2. McKinley fills in for Bruce. Pocic can offer competition at all five O Line spots.
no on pocic from me. LSU o-line was awful.
According to Pro Football Focus LSU had the nations top offensive line in 2017. I don’t know where you are getting your info. Pocic was easily their best linemen. They discussed moving him to LT for his senior year but had many candidates for the tackle positions and few at center.
http://www.nola.com/lsu/index.ssf/2017/01/lsu_has_nations_no_1_offensive.html
I got my info from watching their game against Alabama.
Every OL in the country looks bad against Alabama. I always watch OL against them, but never aS the only game.
I take PFF with a grain of salt
Pocic is an inside guy for me
Now Foreman with a stress fracture in foot… not the greatest day for RBs
Nico Siragusa with jumps of 32″ and 110″ at 319
Been rather bullish on Siragusa all season. Opened up some nice holes for Pumphrey this year.
Nico Siragusa – small school OG (SDSU) who looks good on the limited tape I’ve seen.
6’4, 319 lbs.
9’2″ broad, 32″ vertical, 28 BP reps, 1.83 split, 33.5″ arms.
Sign me up.
Will Holden from Vandy with a 28″ vert and 111″ broad after pressing 23 times at 33 1/4″ and a disappointing 5.47.
Can’t say that I’ve watched him recently
Bolles not as TEF as we thought. Forrest Lamp is going to shoot up draft boards… beyond 26. Unfortunate because I think he could play right tackle for us.
Bolles’ TEF is a projection based on the average bench rep numbers for this class. If he achieved more than 24 reps then he’d be right up with Forrest Lamp.
TEF is simply an explosiveness cut-off nichansen, and Bolles will likely hit it after he bench presses. Combine that with great speed and the strong agility marks to come, and you have an outstanding overall athlete. The Hawks would thank their lucky stars if he fell to 26.
When you look at the results of his measurements and his performance so far, he comps very similar to Jason Spriggs from last year. Same size, same 40 time, same broad jump. I think Spriggs put up like 30 or 31 reps on the bench. If you give Bolles 30, he’s probably in the top-2 TEF scores of the group.
Asiata is this year’s Ifedi.
TEF
Ifedi: 2.97
Asiata:2.96
WTEF
Ifedi: 96.1
Asiata: 95.6
Taylor Moton at 103.04 WTEF just incredible
+1
Have to think he is in consideration for the Hawks
Depends on the round. I’m pretty convinced RD 1 will be dedicated to defense. If Asiata or Moton are there in round 2? I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Hawks grab one of them.
Here goes Vol’s guy Chris Carson…
So assuming an (average) bench of 24 for Bolles, he’s 2.999 for TEF if I understood Rob’s broad jump adjustment.
Nevermind, I see his projected score added to the list now. Maybe I missed it the first time through.
4.51 40 at 240 pounds for fornett…he doesn’t need to jump a lot…
ooops… Fournette….
I thought he lost that water weight and was actually at 235.
Cook ran about the same with 30 pounds less.
Not going to lie… Fournette’s athleticism is good but not elite…
It’s his vision, physicality, and professionalism that make him elite
I wouldn’t even call it good, looking closer to average atm
4.51 at 240 is impressive athleticism.
Dalvin Cook and McCaffrey are much, much smaller and ran the same time basically, just for comparison sake.
It’s above average speed in a straight line, his explosion at 240 is pretty bad and I doubt he’ll do well in agility drills.
The less a man makes declarative statements the less likely he is to appear foolish in retrospect.
It’s still really good, just not what people were hoping.
It looks like San Diego St.’s Nico Siragusa has a 3.097 TEF and a wTEF of 98.79. With his 33.5 inch arms, I think we can put him on Seattle’s radar.
I see the correction! Even better, for Siragusa, with his TEF of 3.13 and wTEF of 99.72!
Did Aviante Collins not jump after his injury in the 40? All over him at the top of the comments with a great 40 and 10yd split but then no more info…
TJ Logan with a great 4.37 40.
He’s standing out for sure, everyone else is right around that 4.50 mark.
And McCaffrey just broke 4.5, so faster than Cook and Fournette by a hair.
With 50 less pounds xD
McCaffrey is never going to be a starter.
I know people like him, but he just looks average to me. The fact he said he’s doing both WR and RB drills shows me he knows he’s not going to impress athletically, so he wants to try to impress in some other way. Cook is just as good a receiver IMO.
He may end up being average as a player but both his vert and broad were pretty good
You guys are crazy…Christian McCaffrey is looking DOMINANT…he hasn’t missed one pass, even with some really bad throws, and he can play SLOT, RB, and WR…
That is all a PLUS, not a negative…do you think Mike Mayock is an idiot??? He is GUSHING over what McCaffrey can do!!!
If he was behind Russell Wilson on the field with Prosise…the other team would NEVER be able to match up with us!!!
(Not that the hawks will draft him…)
Imagine him with Brady or Rodgers…CRAZY dynamic…
He was definitely very impressive in field drills. Looks like it was a great idea for him to run both RB and WR drills.
But that 10 reps on the bench. Ouch.
For reference, I’m 42yo, 5’10 178lbs and I did 11 reps at 225 this week just to see how I’d compare.
Pretty sad when a 42yo video game developer can out bench you. 🙂
*28″ arms*
Haha jk. I’ve no room to talk
Perine, yikes. His 10 yard split looked awful. Maybe a fullback in the NFL?
It is great to be a fan this time of year! Thanks for making this community what is, Rob!
I am a little bit disappointed with Kamara’s 40 time. 4.53? eh
4.53 is fine for a RB. Especially for the Seahawks who don’t tend to value speed.
A running back with a 4.93 40? YIKES!
Joe Williams did some work, 4.42. I’m a pretty big fan of this guy.
WOW! That is much better than I expected. Williams is very very underrated. I would love to draft him in the 6th or 7th.
4.4 on nfl.com.
No chance he falls that far. 3rd or 4th round. Athletically and production wise he’s a top 5 runner.
Major concerns about fumbles and commitment to the game.
Coachable and he’s been forthright and upfront about the commitment issues.
His fumbling is a big concern. He lost a lot of footballs, and at key moments too.
Poor showing in the bench
OL & D-lineman are really the only positions to pay attention to on the BP.
It shows endurance and stamina for 250-330 lbers.
But we want guys who want to destroy their workouts.
The guys that want to prove they’re the best athlete in the country.
I’m not crossing a skill position player or DB off my list due to the BP. Won’t happen.
No of course not, but under-performers better improve at their pro days
The seahwks like 20+ reps on the bench for their safeties. Even more than the explosive testing.
Source for that Leo~?
http://www.fieldgulls.com/nfl-draft/2014/4/24/5636870/nfl-draft-2014-sparq-profiling-part-9-safety/in/4125461
Generally that’s what they have looked but obviously there are a few exceptions.
Three late round running backs I would draft: Tariq Cohen, TJ Logan and Joe Williams
40 time not as important to Seahawks as vertical and broad jump. Don’t fall for the 40 hype.
Kamara has to be high on their list.
Wouldn’t take a RB until the 4th-6th rounds.
UDFA even
I’d take Chris Carson in UDFA over most of these guys.
Fournette, Cook, McCaffrey, Kamara, Joe Williams, McNichols are the best backs IMO. Joe Nixon too.
Aaron Jones might be a good RB in the 6th or 7th. Had 4.56 40, but had some of the best marks in the explosive drills, a 37.5″ vertical and 10’7″ broad jump. Jones turned in a big 2016 season, averaging 7.7 yards per carry for 1,773 yards with 17 touchdowns. He also showed receiving skills with 28 receptions for 233 yards and three scores. And he looks a lot faster on tape, consistently outrunning the DBs in this tape of some 2016 highlights, and had some great receptions at 1:30 and 5:20 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2YjidB3wM
In the immortal words of Brick Tamlind, “I love Lamp”. Or if you prefer, run Forest run. Humor aside, wouldn’t mind at all seeing him in a Hawk uniform.
Some ‘light’ humor (;
That is very funny! 🙂
Whoa, RB 5-11, 215, 35.5 vert, 10’5″ broad, 4.46 40yd
Impressive
Just thought I’d remind us all how special Beast Mode was. 🙂
He certainly was!
Lets not forget Beastmode was also the #12 overall pick…
If we drafted Britt with a 2.97 TEF I think it’s safe to say we would in some cases (Isaac Asiata) lower the standards a little (0.05 Really make a difference?)
If we did Toughness and Intelligence (things Britt has in spades) will be the attributes that set them apart
I would have a hard time thinking there’s an exact cutoff point. Even if they do, to think that we (Rob) has the formula nailed down to the second decimal point would be a stretch. So yes, I’m pretty sure they are considering someone slightly under the TEF threshold.
Of course they would. Especially if some of the guys who are closer to it lack the grit, attitude, and football IQ.
Exactly. As Rob has made perfectly clear, it’s just a tool to identify the guys that fit their preferred athletic profile. There is a lot more to consider. A guy at 2.9 but A+ everywhere else beats a guy at 3.1 but lacking in other areas. You could easily tweak the TEF formula in a way that would adjust the cutoff point and still work with the guys they’ve selected before. I think some people are getting too caught up on the exact number down to the decimal points.
Yup.
McCaffrey aka Run CMC looks really good.
Love this kid. He’s the prototype for the new age NFL. He can impact the game in every way.
lol, i want to draft him just for the nickname
When your criteria reduces the draft able pool for an entire position group to THREE prospects, it’s time to revisit your criteria.
What criteria?
If your talking TEF, they just drafted 3 guys last year and that fell below it, no?
Or maybe it’s a way of showing that spending draft capital on OL this year isn’t worth it!
It’s not an absolute cut-off, as the Hawks have drafted a few OL’s who haven’t reached the TEF threshold. Furthermore, it’s likely a handful of other linemen will improve their testing at their respective pro days.
They’ve not drafted any that don’t match TEF since 2012
Good grief. My point was that more than 3 guys will hit the TEF threshold in this class.
That’s also incorrect btw. Even if Odhiambo’s numbers are thrown out for injury reasons, Michael Bowie in 2013 had very poor explosive testing. Can’t ignore the older picks like Carp & Moffitt either.
Those picks came before the interview upon which TEF is based to be fair
https://www.google.com/amp/www.fieldgulls.com/platform/amp/seahawks-analysis/2015/6/4/8730879/tom-cable-seahawks-offensive-lineman
Have a look, bud.
Hunt seems to be proof they are willing to overlook physical traits for the right guy (with other desirable traits). But if you’re talking early round selections, I wouldn’t bet on them going outside of their ideals (just as we’ve discussed with other positions).
McCaffery’s field drills are clearly better than the others so far. What a weapon.
Kamara also looks good.
Cook drops the ball after the catch…
Ha. I just posted that above about McCaffrey. He looks so smooth in the drills. You never have to take him off the field. As more and more teams become up-tempo spread style attacks, he’s ‘the’ guy.
If we did not have Prosise i would be all for Mccafrey
Guess these TEF grades for the o liners adds credence to the idea that if Bolles and Ramczyk aren’t there at 26 they pick LB, DB, or move down to get more picks. The gap between athletes on the o line and d line continues to widen. Great work as always Rob!
I may have missed it, but has there been any discussion on the possibility of moving up for Bolles? Does anyone see the value in that? I have no clue how far they’d have to move up or what it would cost, but if there’s a legitimate chance he could be the LT of the future the value could be there. I guess that partly depends on if they really think Fant can be the LT of the future.
Rob,
Would the Hawks still have Haason Reddick on their first round radar with the 32 7/8 inch arms?
oops, 32 3/4 inches
Yes. He’s a linebacker not a DE.
If Lamp is available at 26 don’t over think it. Take him, plug him in and instantaneously make the weakest part of the team better. This is Mankins, Martin , Bitonio.
Lamb’s measurements and testing are eerily similar to Martin actually. I was initially of the thinking that it doesn’t really make sense to draft what is essentially a replacement to Glowinski but if they drafted him it would be hard to be upset with a guy who tests so favorably to other pro bowl level players. You never get worse by drafting pro bowlers. It would be awesome if somehow Ifeid at RT could work but doesn’t sound like that will happen based on Pete and John’s recent statements.
Lamb Martin
arm length 32.25 32.875
hand size 10.625 9.5
weight 309 308
height 6’4 6’4
Lamp is definitely the best guard in this class, but don’t sleep on Asiata. His TEF is close enough to 3 that they might take him in rounds 2-3 where he’ll probably go. I’m not too keen on changing up more than two positions on the o line this season. If they get Lamp at 26 and made Glow a backup swing guard it could work…
LT: Fant
LG: Lamp
C: Britt
RG: Ifedi
RT: FA
But if Lamp, Bolles, and Ramczyk are all gone by 26 they got to pick LB, DB, or trade down to get more picks.
Yeah and sorry if it wasnt clear above, I mentioned the Ifedi at RT thing because in that scenario Glo could move over to RG – Fant, Lamp, Britt, Glo, Ifedi. But again, doesnt sound like that would happen given the insistence that Ifedi will stay at RG.
And I agree that Asiata could be a possibility as well if they like a defender who won’t last beyond their first round pick.
Lamp Martin
40 4.99 5.22
Vertical 27.5 28
Broad 111 106
3 Cone 7.55 7.65
Shuttle 4.62 4.59
Bench 34 29
That’s really something. Maybe Lamp really would be a Seattle target after all? Still, I agree with the sentiment on 3000 NFL Mock Draft in that would we really draft (another) first round guard? He’s an attractive prospect, though.
Bolles 3 Cone and SS were really really good. His hips and change of direction skills are off the charts good.
Big winners for me:
– TJ Logan – Some people will see that he ran a 4.37 and draft him for that alone.
– Alvin Kamara – Stood out as the most explosive RB by far.
– Forrest Lamp – Right above my post was the comparison to Zack Martin. I think Lamp shoots up into the 1st round now and wouldn’t be upset if Seattle took him.
– Garrett Bolles – As athletic as Rob thought he would be. In some cases he even surpassed expectations.
– Cam Robinson – Better athlete than first thought. Easy first round pick even though he won’t be on Seattle’s radar most likely.
– Joe Williams – A surprisingly fast 40 time which appeals due to his grit, toughness, and physicality. He does have character red flags though.
Losers:
– USC linemen – None of these guys look like NFL caliber athletes at all. Wheeler looks like a fat tight end.
– Samaje Perine – He’s a major plodder. He looks like a fullback and not a feature back. 4.66-4.70 and it looks like a very slow 10 yard split.
I missed a lot here but those stand out to me.
Disappointed by Perine’s times. He’s looking more and more like an Alfred Morris type. Much to my chagrin.
I suspected this of K. Hunt, but he did well outside of timed speed.
We can probably expect to shave .05/.10 off of some 40 times after Pro Days.
I was happy with Cook and Fournette’s times, but I did hope for better verts.
I’m excited for more numbers by Howard and Njoku. From the TE group.
Cunningham continues to look ideal as a potential Seahawks prospect. Perfect size and length.
Cunningham is a great prospect for sure.
According to Graham Barfield, “Fournette has 94th-percentile weight-adjusted speed at 6-foot, 240 pounds, and Fournette’s Speed Score is the second best among 235-plus-pound running backs in the last decade.”
Florida State RB Dalvin Cook’s official forty time at the NFL Combine was 4.49.
Both of Cook’s “unofficial” times were slower, but he beat 4.5-flat via the Combine’s laser testing.
Hood said he tweaked his hamstring while preparing for the Combine, and he expects to be healed and do everything at UNC’s pro day
Don’t lift the Hood too soon. 😐
Joe Williams out of Utah just looks sudden. What’s your opinion on him Rob?
Too many fumbles, the retirement needs to be investigated.