Todd McShay published his second 2015 mock draft today and had the Seahawks taking Todd Gurley (RB, Georgia) with the #31 pick. Here’s the blurb:
It’s been rumored recently that the Seahawks could sign Marshawn Lynch to a long-term deal this offseason (he’s entering the final year of his contract), but I’ll believe that when I see it. If Lynch isn’t with Seattle beyond the 2015 season, Gurley is a perfect replacement. He was a top-15 talent in this class prior to tearing his ACL this season, a powerful downhill runner who also has excellent speed — the best NFL comparison I can come up with for Gurley is Lynch. The Seahawks would have to be comfortable with his health situation, but he could be an ideal successor to Lynch. They could also look to address offensive or defensive line here.
McShay is clearly skeptical about Seattle’s ability (or desire) to extend Marshawn Lynch’s contract, but this isn’t a pick made to immediately replace Beast Mode. He says “if Lynch isn’t with Seattle beyond the 2015 season” — so he’s making this move with Lynch finishing out his contract.
I don’t know. Given the volatility of the situation the idea of paying Lynch or even just keeping him for 2015 and then drafting a running back in the first round kind of feels like you’re asking for trouble. Can you imagine the reaction? You can see the headlines now — Seattle plots to replace Lynch.
At the same time, Gurley might need a redshirt year as he battles back from a torn ACL. I can’t think of a better player to replace Lynch long term. You’d sure need some man-management skills to get the team to buy into this. But heck, it’s the Seattle Seahawks not the Seattle Marshawn Lynch’s. Consider this too — as much as this team clearly appreciates Robert Turbin and he’s Russell Wilson’s BFF, can you begin to imagine a backfield next year with Lynch and Gurley? That’s scary.
Another point. How many people right now are talking about Seattle’s redundant kick return game? Gurley, even with his size, is a return specialist — scoring two touchdowns in his short Georgia career and having a third called back last season on a bad call. Even if you want to pace him in year one as a running back, he could offer an immediate impact on special teams (health permitting).
Quite frankly I’d be prepared to go through some of the strife because Gurley is a fantastic talent. I’ve no doubt he’d be a top-15 pick (maybe top ten) without the injury. He is that good. To get him at #31 knowing you had a really good post-Marshawn contingency plan is ideal. Let me refer you to this Lynch-related article by Mike Florio.
This quote stood out to me:
Lynch, who turns 29 in April, is definitely closer to the end of the road than the start of it. Unless the Seahawks can find a solid alternative to Lynch, they’ll be far closer to the end of their road as contenders than the start of it, too.
He’s kind of right, isn’t he? Russell Wilson’s great, but the Seahawks aren’t built like a lot of other teams. The run game is an afterthought for other clubs. Not in Seattle. Wilson, as good as he is, thrives on a situation where the run (via play action, read option etc) is such a threat he can work off it and exploit the commitment teams make up front. I don’t think we’ll ever see the Seahawks or Wilson at his most effective with a JAG running the ball. Maybe I’m wrong. But Lynch is to the Seahawks what Rob Gronkowski is to the Patriots. Replacing him will be the single toughest thing John Schneider has to do over the next few years. It’s probably why they’re even considering a substantial pay increase and contract extension. Delay the inevitable.
Gurley has the talent and punishing running style to be Beast Mode 2.0. They’re different players — Lynch is freakishly strong for a back without amazing size. Gurley is a big back with freakish speed. But the end product is still the same — they’ll beat you up.
It’d be really something to go down this road with so many other needs on the roster — but that’s why you have 10-11 picks and a free agency period. If they want a special player at #31 and a guy who jumps out — Gurley fits the bill.
Here are the other players available at #31 in McShay’s mock that were off the board in mine:
Jordan Phillips (DT, Okahoma)
Bendarick McKinney (LB, Mississippi State)
Cameron Erving (C, Florida State)
Hau’Oli Kikaha (DE, Washington)
Carl Davis (DT, Iowa)
Owamagbe Odighizuwa (DE, UCLA)
When I look at this list, there’s nobody I’d prefer to have over Gurley. McKinney isn’t needed as a hulking 3-4 inside backer, while Kikaha probably lacks the length/ten yard split to interest Seattle in round one. Erving can play multiple spots on the offensive line — but there’s some O-line depth in this draft. Davis and Phillips offer incredible size and in Phillips’ case — rare speed and athleticism. But he has an injury history (back) — as does Odighizuwa (hip).
In this scenario it’s hard to argue with McShay’s pick. And as long as you can create some degree of harmony within the locker room after essentially drafting Lynch’s replacement — it’d be a wise investment for the future.
Jalen Collins is really, really impressive
The more I watch of this guy the more I hope he’s even available for the Seahawks at #31. There are two defensive prospects I’d like to see reach the bottom of the first round — Eli Harold (DE, Virginia) and Jalen Collins (CB, LSU). By the combine I think both players might be considered top-20 picks.
McShay has Collins at #26 to Baltimore. I can see it. The more LSU tape you watch the more you convince yourself. He has the complete package. Length, deep speed, recovery speed, fluid change of direction, the ability to high point the ball, excellent form defending the run, he’s a good tackler. The only thing he lacks is game-experience and a bit of technical refinement. The idea of this team and this staff getting to work with Collins is salivating. Hey — I really like the potential of someone like Damian Swann at Georgia. I’d like to see what they could do with him as a later round option. But Collins has legitimate potential to be one of the games top corners. That’s how highly I rate him based on what I’ve seen so far. It doesn’t mean he’ll definitely get there, but he has a shot.
Right now there aren’t many players I’d rather have than Collins from this class. If I had to rank a list of top options it would include Todd Gurley and Melvin Gordon — depending on what happens with Lynch. Harold and Collins would be on it too. That might be it for now heading into the combine.
A few thoughts on the situation at receiver
In listing key needs yesterday, I put receiver/tight end at #1 and for good reason. But the more I look at this situation the less convinced I am that the #31 pick is a good spot to take a receiver. McShay’s mock kind of proves that. Cooper, White, Parker, Smith and Green-Beckham are all gone. Even if the first three names are off the board, I’m not totally convinced they’d take DGB in the first or Smith for that matter.
It’s also a position that could probably use a veteran presence. A calming influence. Doug Baldwin’s ridiculous celebration and subsequent penalty in the Super Bowl smacked of immaturity. Since Sidney Rice departed who has been that leading experienced figure in the WR meeting room? Take Zach Miller out of the equation (potentially) and it’s a group desperate for some experience.
Ideally — and it won’t be easy — you add a veteran receiver or tight end who can act almost as a #1 target. It’s going to be hard but not impossible. For example, Davis Hsu today tweeted a way Seattle could acquire Jordan Cameron for $4m in 2015. It means cutting Miller (saving $3m) and not re-signing James Carpenter. You’re banking on Cameron avoiding further concussions and staying healthy. But you would be bringing in a genuine dynamic receiving threat and a legit red zone/seam target.
Offense w Jordan Cameron, No Miller, No Carp, No T-Jack pic.twitter.com/9T30snGMIN
— DAVIS HSU (@DavisHsuSeattle) February 5, 2015
I’m not sure you can bring in a Vincent Jackson or Larry Fitzgerald for the same kind of cost. In fact I think we all know it’s almost impossible. You’d have to make other savings or be creative. I’m not convinced Fitzgerald could stomach joining a division rival either, but he’d be the ideal character guy this team needs at the receiver position — plus the dynamic big target Wilson requires. Jackson isn’t quite the same leader, but he’s a brilliant downfield/seam threat even at this stage in his career.
If you can make an addition in free agency, you can shoot for value at receiver. Phillip Dorsett would provide game-changing speed on the outside and downfield, but could also act a kick returner. Tyler Lockett was superb at the Senior Bowl and is another good kick returner. Nelson Agholor has returned kicks at USC and is an underrated receiver in this class. These are players that could go in the second or third round range. Justin Hardy is another name to look out for at the combine — and of course Sammie Coates. Personally I also believe Jaelen Strong, Devin Funchess and Dorial Green-Beckham will be available on day two if you want to take a bigger receiver instead with no kick return qualities.
I don’t think you can go wrong with Dorsett, Lockett, Agholor or Hardy. Even Coates has an explosive, physical element you’d love to have — you just need to work on his consistency.
You can really upgrade the receiver/tight end positions without spending the first pick. There will be a sweet spot in rounds 2-3 here. I think you almost have to manipulate a way to bring in a veteran, before looking at day two of the draft. This free’s you up to potentially look at a Todd Gurley/Melvin Gordon/Jalen Collins/Eli Howard in round one.
I might be playing devil’s advocate here, but I’d like to gauge opinions around here. How much money do you guys think Wilson DESERVES? I’m not talking about how much he’ll realistically get because I think it will be around the $20 million per year. I’m a big fan of Wilson and think he’s a burgeoning superstar in this league, but do the results on the field really warrant a $20 million per year investment?
Please don’t tell me your one of these guys who are coming out of the woodworks to denounce RW, because of 1 play in the SB. ‘Now he’s not worth the big money, he’s a running back who throws, etc.’
He’s the perfect fit for this offense, is only going to get better, and is the type of QB who makes his teammates better. We went back to back in the SB with our receiving core. Imagine if RW had 2-3 more legit weapons? I’m not sure what more people want out of this guy with limited personnel.
No, I’m quite the opposite really. I was just wondering what people’s opinions were on what kind of money they think he deserves rather than what he will get. I was having a conversation with a friend earlier and we were discussing what type of player deserves a certain amount of money. Now I can understand that types like Rodgers and Brady definitively deserve $20 million plus per year just from pure production.
I think Wilson absolutely needs to be locked down for years to come. I’m just speaking from the devil’s advocate viewpoint: Ignore his potential for the moment. Does the production we’re seeing from him currently warrant $20 million a annually? I guess the argument for him would be he doesn’t have enormous stats because of personnel limitations and the Hawks being a run-first offense.
I guess my real question is: What type of player do people think warrants $20 million a year? Like what do you look for? Is it from a pure production standpoint, future potential, or a combination of both?
To quote Al Davis, “Just win, baby!” Wilson is a winner both on and off the field.
Really you should treat him as a player with all purpose yards from line of scrimmage. He substitutes the massive would-be numbers thru the air with his legs. It adds up.
Wilson deserves any contract. Period.
But if we compare numbers should he be paid more than all other QB’S is more of a fair question. Is he worth 20 per year, maybe. His deal may look great two years down the road. Lucky for us we are not the subject matter experts.
He deserves what the front office thinks he’s worth. If you think you have a franchise QB you have to sign him. Players like Flacco, Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers all contend for playoff each and every year no matter how bad the team may be. Last year the Ravens basically depleted their team after winning the SB and finished 8-8 because of him. The next season they lose to the SB champions in the playoffs. Flacco’s only loss in the playoffs are to teams that have gone to the SB.
I don’t know how much he’s worth, but I do think we want to get a deal done before Luck.
Bigger question? Would you be willing to pay him less, say 12-14mil if it was fully guaranteed. He does have a baseball agent. What do you think?
If he would take 14 million fully guaranteed, I would offer that in a heartbeat. Wilson seems like the type that knows how to avoid big hits and I think injury is very unlikely. That being said, fluky things happen from time to time. I’m not sure he would accept that contract though…
Just look at how many records he has set in his first three years. Most wins, most TD passes his rookie year, first QB to EVER throw for 300 and run for 100 in the same game, etc, etc. He is worth every penny the Hawks give him. He is the perfect QB for this system. He doesn’t have to throw for 4,000 yards and 30+ TDs to be worth $20M a year, he just has to play the way Pete Carroll wants him to and win games. By the way, he has 15 out of 29 or 30 4th quarter/OT wins, the most by any QB during his time in the league.
Wilson will be the highest paid player in the NFL in a few weeks and no Seahawks fan should begrudge that. He is vitally important to this team.
As a thought experiment, suppose every QB in the league was a UFA. How many of them would you take over Wilson (taking into account age, ability, etc.)? For me it would be Rodgers and possibly Luck and that’s it.
If you agree with that idea, then he deserves to be paid more than anyone but those guys (more than Peyton and Brady due to age and injury risk, more than Flacco/Stafford/etc. based on talent), and it’s what he’d get if there were an open market.
Since top qb’s earn 20 million/year, I think that’s about where he deserves to get paid. I don’t understand the necessity of making him the NFL’s highest paid player. I think an extra 5 million on the cap, we can see that is useful in keeping a key player, like a Mebane.
I think 20 mill is fine and all should be content.
I’d be absolutely floored if HB Marshawn Lynch isn’t with this team next year. He means more to Seattle then he would any other team. I don’t see too many other teams and Head coaches letting this guy be himself. I think extending him a couple more years, gives the FO more lee-way in regards to looking/trying to find his eventual successor in the next year or two.
I love the idea of adding TE Jordan Cameron to this offense. Pair him with TE Luke Wilson, add a WR Tyler Lockett or one of the other names you mentioned and a developmental receiver later in the draft, and with a possible emergence of WR Chris Matthews, this offense paired with this defense, wow! Could be a team for the ages, again! With a legit O.
Thinking the only reason Lynch would consider not coming back is the ongoing war between him and the media. Besides that, from a pure monetary perspective, I don’t think he is willing to leave 8+ million a year on the table. He’s also showing no signs of slowing down. The MVP caliber season he just produced just shows how much gas he has left in the tank.
Marshawn is still the engine of the offense. And Russ, our blessed “franchise QB” gets to feed off of that. They are great together. It doesn’t get any better.
The first domino in all of this is Lynch. What does he want? What does the FO want? I could see him get a big jump in base pay for 2015(he feels good) along with a basically voidable extension(FO feels good) so that if either party wants to move on after next season they can do so civilly without carrying much dead money.
Next RW. What does he want? He’s going to get it so it’s really a matter of understanding how his cap hit will affect the overall competitiveness of the team year in year out. He could be the highest paid player in the League however briefly, if that is what he wants. Even more than that I think he wants to win more Super Bowls than any QB in NFL history.
Ditto on Jordan Cameron V12. The FO tried once before to assemble their 2 TE combo but injury kept it from reaching the field.
I had a dream we drafted a RB with our first pick a couple of nights ago. Several nights before that I had a dream that I got charged by a cougar. If only one comes true I’ll take the RB.
I would take miller over Cameron all day everyday! I definitely wouldn’t pay him more. I love him as a player but his injury history scares me more then an acl injury. The guy missed more then a month with his last head injury. How long will his next one take, and it will happen again.
True, but TE Zach Miller has missed almost just as much time, and Jordan is by far and way the more dynamic playmaker and a more than adequate blocker.
Worrying about injuries is what led Drew Brees to sign with the Saints while the rest of the NFL sat around worrying about what if. If the guy medically clears, you make the trade if you’ve determined that that’s what you need.
Miller also now has to be considered a giant injury red flag. Kam is now an injury red flag. So is Earl, and Sherm. Okung…Unger…even Lynch. at some point, risk will have to be taken by this team.
Your body heals sometimes better, your brain doesnt. If it was any other injury I’d be okay with it. Like I said he missed over a month with his last one and it will only get worse. If they sign him I won’t be mad, I really like him as a player.
I guess to continue the conversation, I don’t know if I’d go after him at this point, but my feeling is for us to return to the title game again we’re going to have to improve somewhere to offset losses (like BMax) elsewhere. I think the thought that “improvement by RW” to offset our losses is reaching the law of diminishing returns. I think RW is what he is: top level NFL qb and we have what we have and we’re happy for it. I don’t think he’ll ever be a 70% passer and we don’t need him to be.
I think for the team to maintain a 12-13 win area it will either require a home run draft like when they picked Irvin/Wagner/RW…or hitting a home run on an FA that actually works.
When do they announce the compensatory picks? I imagine that is some pretty valuable info for teams as they plan there draft strategies.
Mid March.
Seattle looked to trade Harvin for Julius Thomas. If Thomas makes it to FA do you see Seattle taking a look at him? They could make a small 3 year deal and front load it with the salary we have right now. It’ll be tough because I am sure he’ll be looking for a long term mega deal, but I think offering money upfront with a super bowl ring within reach and a chance of making another huge payday could be enough to persuade him.
Thomas developed a lot with Denver last season. They started using him in the slot and lined up as a wideout. Seattle could use him in a lot of different ways.
I don’t think Julius Thomas is looking for any type of contract that could be defined as “small”. There is a dearth of good receiving threat TE’s in the league and Thomas happens to be one of them. He’ll demand a pretty significant contract and it’s my opinion that he’ll stay with the Broncos and Manning because they will try to make a last desperate attempt at the SB next year.
I see Seattle drafting an inexpensive TE (ex. Nick Boyle in 2nd or 3rd rnd), over making a play for Thomas. He will command 4-7 million in FA, which is too rich for Seattle…. unless they are willing to sacrifice some other pieces. This doesn’t even bring up the fact that he is not a great blocker, which is what Seattle needs in the offense. He would be a duplicate of the current Seahawk TE Willson, in the Seattle offense, imo.
Seattle needs a true burner at WR, to take the “lid off” the defense… which, imo should be the #1 target in the draft when thinking about the Seahawks and the 2015 draft.
I don’t know Bout a true burner. They had one, kept another, and drafted one last year. I would like to see a big red zone threat.
Chris Matthews might turn out to be just that.
I’m with you, I’m not so quick to dismiss Chris Matthews in that role. I know some have said that “if he was any good, they would have played him more.” I’m not sure with this team. This team sits guys and makes them wait, and really, that was Matthews first year in the league. He still might turn out to be a long term answer. We just need to see more.
Getting Thomas would be awesome, but it’s not very realistic. He’s going to want Jimmy Graham $. Meanwhile we likely won’t have the cap space to resign Byron Maxwell.
I think they’d show interest for sure. It’s all about cost though.
Baltimore are keeping eye on the Vincent Jackson situation in Tampa, per reports.
And Marshall could be on his way out of Chicago.
http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/grizzly-detail/Could-Brandon-Marshall-Find-a-New-Home-with-Ravens-290931691.html
I would love this.. love it!
heh, I brought this up in the previous thread. Of all the possible options at a veteran WR, Marshall might be the most realistic. Of course, I have no idea how much of a mental midget he is and if the team would really entertain another problem child WR, but….
Marshall is a big target with a history of near-elite production. He turns 31 next month I believe. I doubt he qualifies as mature, but you can’t argue with what he’s been able to do on the field the field.
He’s definitely on his way out of Chicago. It’s just a matter of whether he’s cut or traded. His salary is “only” $7.5m a year, which I believe he earns. He’s signed for the next three years and his deal maxes out at $8.xx M in year three.
If the hawks are ok with the personality, call up the Bears and throw the 4th rounder we get for Harvin their way, Cut Mebane and Miller to make up the salary.
I would be 100% okay with this. Sounds to good to be true though. Marshall did sound like he would really want to play with wilson.
Would love this move as well. Seattle has already shown interest in Marshall previously, so I think they’d be fine with his personality.
Brandon Marshall is the opposite of mental midget. He suffers from borderline personality disorder where people with BPD suffer from a disorder of emotion regulation. There is a very high suicide rate with individuals with BPD. He seeked out treatment and has come leaps and bounds from where he used to be. He has overcome a lot. NFL Network did a Football Life segment on him which is very interesting and gives you a good idea of what he deals with.
Good insight Drew. I must confess I know very little about how he is as a teammate or as a person. I just hear/see all the stuff that pops up in the press about how Denver basically kicked him off the team and how he was at the middle of the locker room melt down in chicago.
If he is actually a decent guy and could coexist on this team, I’d throw chicago our Harvin 4th and dance all the way back to the super bowl.
Oh, and here’s a quote from Brandon Marshall from a couple years ago after seattle played them
“He’s a leader. He’s a born leader. I listened to the guy talk. I watch how he conducts himself, how he handles himself. That’s a guy I can watch and learn from. Even as a rookie, a young guy, Russell Wilson is a guy that is going to be special. He is special already. He did a great job today and he stayed in it, drove them down the field and got the job done.”
If he’s going to play somehere else next season (and it sure sounds like he’s going to) Seattle might be a really good home for him.
As long as he’s willing to buy in, sure. But at a time when there’s all this talk about locker room fragility, he’s an often outspoken nuisance. That might just be the influence Jay Cutler has on people, but is he going to be able to control his emotions within an offense where you might only get 2-3 targets a game?
Exactly! Any WR the Hawks bring in better be prepared to get as many yards and stats as they can on a very limited number of opportunities, and they better not raise any crap over it!
V-Jax, Marshall, whoever… They better be ready to join a run first deep that will take deep shots frequently. a 60-1000-8 line better be something they are on board with.
Having a Marshall on the field creating matchup nightmares for the opposing defense will likely translate to an extra few targets per game because RW might not have to take off running to keep the chains moving.
But wouldn’t that be more palatable Rob if every 2 out 3 of those targets were touchdown receptions? I bet he could live with the glory of a score without being asked to run over the middle and take hay makers all day
Possibly. I just fear what happens if he starts complaining. Seattle doesn’t need another complaining wide receiver or distraction for Wilson. They need all-in.
Yes. And this is why I would be happy to see Pete take this kind of player on. Plus he is the type of WR I think is missing.
I would take this right now.
Lots of talk about Zach Miller being a cap casualty. I wouldn’t advocate that unless there’s a replacement at tight end that’s at least equally valuable, but I’d really rather keep Sweez or Carp (or both) over him, considering how well the tight end group held up without Miller in the line up.
And damn if that spreadsheet with Jordan Cameron’s name on it doesn’t look exciting.
Collins, Harold, Gurley and Philips are my top guys (assuming the top guys like Fowler/Cooper are gone). It’d be really hard to decide between them. I’d even suggest going up to get Collins or Harold if they’re still available past pick 25.
What about Jay Ajayi at running back? An article on NFL.com by Lance Zierlein, who’s been quoted here before, compared prospects to current NFL players and Ajayi’s is Marshawn Lynch. They have a similar running style. I don’t think he’s got the same power, but he makes some really crisp lateral movements and doesn’t lose his forward momentum or speed, just like Beast. Fumble and character problems seem to be his downsides. I don’t know if this running back group needs two fumble prone, known trouble makers. He’s got a bunch of really great traits that might make him a good pick later on.
Miller is gone. I don’t think you can trust him to be on the field given the injuries. It’s sad, cause he was a great asset when healthy, but that money should really go elsewhere.
Plus he’s slow as molasses. Doesn’t help to have a TE that runs like an offensive lineman. As much as I love the guy I just don’t see him staying around, especially after having an injury that could affect his mobility.
I think the only comparison between Ajayi and Lynch is occasionally Ajayi has that wide base. Apart from that, no other obvious comparable trait.
Lynch is amazing. He’ll never be replaced. However, Ajayi is a wide-base runner between the tackles, has smoother jets in open space than Lynch, compares to Lynch as a receiver, and is tough as nails–a true workhorse bell-cow, etc. He is an every down back at the next level and will likely be available in the late 2nd/early 3rd. His only weakness I can see is pass-pro technique…he is willing and will face guys up, but he doesn’t anchor as well as Lynch. I could see Ajayi being at the top of the Hawks’ RB list in that second tier. Also, T.J. Yeldon is a very under-appreciated player that could be had in the 3rd/4th. He is a well-rounded player with explosive finish ability. Excellent in pass-pro, good hands. Shared the load at ‘Bama so not a lot of mileage on the tires. Either Ajayi or Yeldon would be an instant upgrade on Turbin (who has improved and probably isn’t going anywhere), and a nod to an eventual future without Lynch.
The comparison made between the two is the only season I took notice, but I actually really like Ajayi’s play.
Is Beast Mode 2.0? No, but he runs in a similar way and what he lacks in the same brute power he makes up for in elusiveness and speed. I don’t think you take him in the first round but I think he’s worth consideration later on if the situation with Marshawn Lynch isn’t resolved.
Where is WR Chris Matthews on the spread sheet? He is someone that should be the big target we have been looking for. Pair him with WR Smith (trade up to mid 2nd rd) for speed and Special Teams (Tate 2.0). That allows Gurley or Gordon at #31
Excellent point about Matthews, whatever contract he signed I’m sure keeps him in Seattle next season.
I think WR Chris Matthews has shown me more than WR Kevin Norwood has, and not to mention Norwood is almost the same age as Matthews. Like I said earlier, Matthews totally screams a JS type move. Cheap, cost effective, and a guy who IMO will continue to wow us. His quote after the Super Bowl was ‘Well, now I need to work harder and be ready to go.’ I like this kid more and more.
He signed a futures contract last year which is good for the standard 3 years I believe.
Nelson agholor in the second please, I think he would fit right in on this team. Reliable receiver with speed and a great returner. Really seems to be over looked to, chip on shoulder maybe? Great production in a pro style offense. He’s really a well rounded receiver and most importantly separation doesn’t seem to be a problem.
What’s peoples take on Michael oher? Titans released him waived-injured designation. I don’t think he can cut it on the left but what about some comp at rt? Backup depth? That is all depending on the “waived-injured designation” status
Never been impressed with him to be honest.
My take is the movie was cool, and he has done a very good job parlaying that into lots of money on substandard play
The more I look at it the more I see a RB getting taken at #31. Either that or trade out of the first round. If both Gurley and Gordon are gone then definitely a trade (maybe with Bills?). In the second at #63, Maxx Williams if he’s available, or maybe best value CB/DL.
As for WR’s, FA seems a little to spendy to pick up any good recievers or TE’s for that matter, so probably draft. Focus in FA will probably be on Maxwell and DL. If Maxwell chases the money, then probably a round 2-3 CB. If he stays, round 4-5 CB. Also I think they might go for later round safety. LB looks solid right now (healthy KPL=hype!!!). DL does have depth issues, but with Marsh, Mebane, and maybe even a healthy J. Williams I don’t see too much focus in the draft (I would love a later round Xavier Williams though).
I see this draft being very offense oriented for the most part. Maybe a D-linemen or two, and a couple of quality backups for the secondary. RB early, one fast receiver, one big receiver, 2-3 O-linemen, and a TE. So I think the Hawk’s draft will look something like this:
Round 1-RB or trade
Round 2-TE, CB, or DL…If there is a trade then add RB (Yeldon, Johnson, Coleman, etc.)
Round 3-WR or OL
Round 4-CB or WR
Round 5-DL, CB, or WR
Round 6-OL or FS/SS
Round 7-OL
With compensatory picks added the “ors” will become “ands” (except in different rounds).
the issue with WR in the draft is that the seahawks need instant production at the receiver spot. There’s no time for a developmental player. You’re not likely to find a guy who steps in and contributes from day one at 31 this year.
WR upgrade is just too important. Like I said in the previous thread, this team wins the super bowl if they have a better receiving corp. Simple as that. They need a proven veteran to come in and provide a real identity and leadership in that group. Who is the Thomas/Sherman/Chancellor of the receiver group currently?
Really, this team needs Larry Fitzgerald. It’s a shame they can’t get him.
Cysco-I completely agree that we need to find instant production at WR. There are a few of WR’s in thedraft that would help us out of the gate that we’ll have a chance at taking. Devon Smith is an ideal fit if he’s there at #31. Dorsett or Lockett in day 2 would both bring an element of speed and quickness to the field. Dorsett looks like a slightly bigger TY Hilton to me. Hilton took a couple of years to become a well rounded WR. Out of the gate though, he was a deep threat who stretched the field. It’s been worth the wait for Indy, and would be for us as well. Lockett has great ability to create separation and just makes plays.
A high priced veteran WR would be nice. It’s not the only way for us to greatly improve our passing attack though. No need to panic and spend too much on a FA, which would hamper us in resigning our current players.(Wilson, Wagner, Irvin, Okung, Sweezy)
Yeah, you can get just as much production and value from day 1 by taking one of the WRs this year in the 2nd or 3rd round, instead of reaching for one at #31.
WR Tyler Lockett is my personal favorite right now. Great character and would really click with RW. I see him as a Randall Cobb type receiver in the NFL.
I think this team wins the super bowl if they had just decided to run Lynch one more time.
It always seems impossible but Schneider brought in Zach Miller, Percy Harvin and Sidney Rice. We were just going to pay Percy Harvin, so somehow there is money there, minus the dead money. It seems a TE or WR is possible in free agency then. But nothing is “likely” when it comes to Schneider.
With Chris Matthews showing potential as the BIG WR, I agree that a smaller/shiftier is more than likely the answer. I think that Smith/Dorsett should be that guy. I think the Top Tier CBs will be gone before #31 and we’ll pick one up in the 2nd or 3rd.
Here is my prediction for the top 3 rds:
31. Devin Smith (WR, Ohio St)
63. Carl Davis (DL, Iowa)
95. Ladarius Gunter (CB, Miami)
I touched on the Jordan Cameron news and I think we could get him for 3-yrs/$11M. With his injury history, I think this could be a moderate contract that is Mid Cost/High Reward.
I’m not too eager to just abandon our quest for a big bodied receiver just because Matthews had one good game. Sample size is too small.
I had us signing Jordan Cameron… I know Matthews game is a small sample! I totally agree with you though. If we don’t sign Cameron, a BIG WR is still a NEED
HOUSE- I’d love for us to get Smith and Davis! They both would help immediately.
This. Anyone can shine in 1 game. I need to see more plus two big bodied wr would be better. Look two years ago at the bears before they imploded. AJ and marshall that year! Wow
I don’t see any way Davis lasts to the end of the 2nd. Only chance would be if he has a terrible combine or has some sort of injury
To be fair his tape is sort of off and on showing flashes of power and double team strength then minimal push and allegedly (cited but not confirmed) he gives lousy interviews so that may be why he lasts.
So, assuming we trade Lynch to his home town Oakland team prior to the draft, how much will we get in return?
a 5th rd pick if you’re lucky.
no leverage, 29yo rb
I can’t see them trading him. That would be a PR nightmare. They’d probably just let him out of his contract and let him sign there.
Agreed. A trade of lynch would feed the conspiracy theory that they were trying to force the MVP trophy into RW’s hands. No way would they be dumb enough to trade him.
If we are truly considering a gurly or a Gordon is it say to assume the C Michael is a bust? Seems like a helluva wasted pick. I love Collins at 31. The secondary is the backbone of everything we do here. The guy I’m fixating on is Ty Montgomery. He checks all the boxes for me. Big and thick, good functional speed. Highly productive in all phases of the offence. Actually gains yards on bubble screens!!! elite returner. What am I missing here??
Saying he has inconsistent hands is a compliment. From what I heard, he’s not a natural receiver at all and has trouble catching the most basic of throws sometimes.
If Michael hasn’t taken the #2 RB spot at this point, it’s probably safe to assume he’s a lost cause. Sad indeed given the amount of potential there.
Wasted pick? perhaps. But it was a typical seattle “swing for the fences” pick. Sometimes they hit. Sometimes they don’t.
Yeah, the only thing you need to list on Michael’s NFL tombstone is ‘couldn’t beat our Turbin for a backup spot’.
Hard to have too much faith in Michael at this stage.
Worth anything to help move up a few draft spots? Just for discussions sake… Our 3rd and C-Mike could get us up to what pick(assuming another team likes him of course)?
b/r did a seven round mock. Have us with
1) Gordon, RB
2) Dorsett, WR
3) Huerman, TE
4) Rowe, CB
5) Jarrett, DT
6) Cederic Reed, DE
7) Jermaine Whitehead, FS
Looks like a good draft to me.
That looks eerily similar to what I would like from this draft in basically the same order. Plus there are potentially 4 more picks on top of that.
Grady Jarrett and Rowe are my mid round hopes this season.
There’s no way in hell IMO that DT Grady Jarrett or CB Eric Rowe will be 4th and 5th round picks.
As for DE Cedric Reed, he’s interesting. Rob, what do you make of DE Reed?
Played injured all of last year and that’s why he underwhelmed. Looked much better the year before. Interesting but is he back to 100%?
Hey Volune12! One can dream right! Basically my hope is gms who aren’t always that smart look at Rowes Ucla tape and see a tentative beginning corner and never watch the clips of him against WSU or Michigan…where he starts to really come on. After Collins he’s my favorite corner then ladarous Gunther who you tipped me off to. Two quick college football thoughts…I watch a lot of Utah as the late game in season honestly I think that is the seahawkiest team in college the way they swarm to the ball and two I am still amazed how Miami didn’t do better this year they have a crazy amount of talent on their roster.
As for Jarrett I think he’s going to light it up at the combine and hopefully people point to his sub 290 frame and say “too light,” not realizing that a 21 year old kid can put on 10 pounds if muscle in about three months. jarret too me on the Hawks could give them a scary inside presence that would increase Bennett’s game by leaps and bounds. I think Rob put up a clip against THEE Ohio state and at points they had three oline men blocking him letting Beasley run wild, then for laughs they literally ran every play after the second quarter opposite of where he was. By far it was the most positive statement of a D linemens skills I’ve seen yet.
Yes Peter, one can definitely dream my man!
I agree on Miami, I have no idea how they weren’t better. They have talent coming back next year and have a handful of guys who will more than likely end up as 6th-7th round picks and priority UDFAs.
Utah is a ‘Seahawky’ type team. That’s what you get when you recruit from the L.A area and inner city of L.A. Notice how many Seattle players are from there?
I think Rowe will be a top 100 pick. After only playing CB fro a year, he’s too comfortable and just a natural there. Look at Miami, Ohio XB Quinton Rollins. Has only played football for 1 year, but right now, he’s one of the draft’s hottest names/fast risers.
I’ll be taken by surprise if Clemson DT Grady Jarrett DOESN’T have an impressive combine. IMO the NFL has caught on to the smaller, quicker, penetrating DTs.
If we could get Grady Jarrett in the 5th I’d be ecstatic! I’m thinking he’ll go sooner than that though.
kinda hoping that with the impending long term contract extension with Wilson, if we are going to do a lot of money to make him the “top paid player or QB” or whatever, we do a contract that looks more similar to what dallas did with tyron smith their LT. Way more years locked in, since Wilson is still fairly young and doesn’t seem like he would be at risk with more money. Plus as the contract goes longer, the numbers wont look so bad later on, will grow with the cap or stay same as the cap grows…
for reference…
Tyron Smith signed a 8 year / $97,600,000 contract with the Dallas Cowboys, including a $10,000,000 signing bonus, $22,118,013 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $12,200,000.
obviously it would be more expensive than that, but they got a very good pro bowl type LT signed for a long long time. by 2024 when that contract expires, 12 mil for a top flight LT will probably be on the lower end.
Of the choices you’ve laid out, Rob, I like Collins best. I think he starts the season opposite Sherman. I consider Maxwell all but gone. Lane probably has a difficult recovery ahead of him. And I just don’t trust Simon to be the long term #2. If Collins makes it to 25, I hope they make the jump to get him.
On another note, I find it odd what JS has been doing/saying lately. Assuming what I read is true, I believe he said that Maxwell is/was a priority. And then we hear that the Hawks were on the verge of extending Lynch. I’m all for keeping as much of the gang together as possible……but obviously tough choices need to be made. RWs rookie contract was our biggest advantage and it’s about to disappear. I just don’t see how we can extend lynch, and re-sign maxwell. And then right behind them is RW and Wagner. That’s not taking into account Carp, Kearse, Sweezy, etc. And then there’s Irvin and Okung. We’re going to need one hell of a capologist.
And lastly, I don’t like the idea of trading miller for Cameron. Although he might be motivated by being on a contender, I just don’t see him holding up. Im probably in the minority, but I’d like the idea of trying to resign moeaki. Miller/Willson/Moeaki/draft pick/helfet.
It’s all about how you manipulate the cap. It’s possible to extend Lynch’s contract while lowering his cap hit in 2015, for example.
What would you expect JS to say? “Nah, we don’t stand a chance of resigning him, but isn’t it great that we’re in the super bowl?”
You can’t take front office comments too seriously. I mean, of course they want to try to resign Maxwell and extend Lynch. Is it likely? Probably not for Maxwell and probably for Lynch.
As for the Miller vs Cameron debate, Given this season’s injury, Miller has missed far more time than Cameron and Cameron is a far superior offensive threat. Given the choice, I’d take Cameron. I’m not sure I could trust Miller coming back from what appears to be a very serious ankle injury. The dude was slow to begin with. How well is he going to be able to move after an ankle injury that knocked him out for an entire season?
I’m loving how this draft board and our needs are lining up. BPA in round one targeting Gurley, CB, DE, or OL. Good WR prospects in Rd 2-4. Other later round targets that fit the Seahawky profile.
Expecting 11 picks including comps and then potential trading down which is the JS way means we should have 15 or so good candidates to help backfill the roster next year. We were caught later in the year with depth issues due to too many injuries – we will now be able to address this.
JS is licking his chops at this draft. We will be able to reload. New blood and talent. Always compete.
Gurley?
YES YES YES YES YES
Going off of who’s available in Mcshay’s mock I’d take Phillips. A massive, athletic DT to collapse the pocket and demand double teams would vastly improve our front 4 rotation. Phillips is a 3 down DT and could be an absolute wrecking ball. Getting a player of his talent level would help every Dlineman.
I really want to see us get a DT and WR with our first 2 picks.
DT: 1-Phillips 2-Carl Davis
WR- 1-Smith 2-Dorsett or Lockett
One from each row and I’d be ecstatic!
I think we’re mostly in agreement that TE is an area where we could use an upgrade. If we can get Jordan Cameron by cutting Miller I make that move in a flash. Hsu’s roster proposal sure looks good to me! Cameron is a consistent difference maker at the TE position, something we don’t have. Willson has shown flashes of being special, but he lacks natural hands and can’t catch a fast ball. Miller slowed down by a major ankle injury is nothing more than a solid blocking veteran TE. He’s not worth the cap space if he’s not 100%, which I’m skeptical that he’ll will be up to speed. If we can’t swing a deal for Cameron the draft has some high upside talent in the mid rounds with Walford and James.
Matt, while DT Jordan Phillips is a freak athlete and would be an amazing pick, there’s also some really good DTs who would be comfortable and productive playing in a rotation.
Forrest mentioned N. Iowa’s DT Xavier Williams, Mizzou DT Lucas Vincent, So. Miss. DT Raheem Nunez-Roches (who has an incredible back-story, great penetration, and his character is very ‘Seahawky), Oklahoma DT Chuka Ndulue, a sleeper to keep an eye on is Tusculum DT Cashaud Lyons, San Jose St DT Travis Raciti, Houston DT Joey Mbu (who along with DT Carl Davis had the longest wingspan at rhea Senior Bowl), etc.
My point being there’s value later on if Seattle doesn’t go DT early on.
I agree another name I like is Xavier Cooper from WSU.
Another poster loves Marcus Hardison from ASU.
There’s value to be had in rounds 3-4 for D tackle or guys who can play the 3 and 5 tech.
John, that’s me who loves ASU’s Marcus Hardison. Wazzu DT Xavier Cooper isn’t bad either. I was just referencing some late day 3 guys. I see Hardison and Cooper going between rounds 2-4, latest round 5.
Houston DT Joey Mbu is a guy who’s raw, but his length is mind blowing! Something we know Seattle covets.
Volume12- You can say that about every position and be right. To me Phillips is a difference maker from day 1. He’s a 3 down DT which we really don’t have right now. Showing the athletic versatility to be effective on 3rd and long as well as 3rd and short. So while there are later round prospects to target to fill out our rotation, Phillips would do more than just fill in. We have been alright with cheaper FAs and late round picks in the past. I’d like to see us add a potential pro bowler to put our interior dline over the top. That said I highly doubt Phillips l be there for us at 31 after he blows up the combine. Size and athleticism that he possesses does not come around every year, and can’t be taught.
In free agency I would like to see them to go after Torrey Smith – a deep threat who had a down year last year but could add a valuable veteran presence in the locker room and depth at WR.
In the draft I really like Antwan Goodley – maybe in the third?
A guy that I would like is Andre Holmes who played last year with Oakland. The problem is that he’s a RFA so Oakland can match any offer plus they would have to give up a 1, 2 or nothing depending on what Oakland tenders him at.
6’4 210 lbs 4.51/40 35″ vertical 26 yo did track in college, dad was a basketball player. He’s just really now getting in to his prime.
If Oakland tenders him as a 2nd rounder would you give up a 2 and probably 4-5 million to get him? IMO a WR @ 63 is not going to be able to contribute immediately as much as Holmes can plus I would let Kearse walk and use the 2.3 million towards Holmes.
Spotrac also had Leonard Hankerson as a free agent. He was injured last year, but he had a pretty good rookie and 2nd season. He could be a nice buy low option.
Goodley is a stud–seems very Hawkish. He returned kicks effectively early in his career, as well. I have to think the Hawks address the PR/KR situations this draft.
I’m sorry, but when has Todd McShay ever accurately predicted anything Seattle has done draft wise? I do value his opinion, and yes I know it’s fun to speculate and it shows HB Todd Gurley as an option, but didn’t they just make a similar move 2 years ago when they drafted C-Mike? Yeah, they’re not the same player by any means, but Gurley doesn’t strike me as zone runner. I’m not sure his knees can handle the cut backs and ‘shiftness’ needed to run in this type of system. I am more than ready to be proven wrong, however.
Frank Gore had two serious knee injuries in college. I don’t think the ACL has to be any more of a problem in this modern era than any other injury.
What makes Richardson’s injury so bad then? I know it’s the second one to the same knee, but is there rumor that his knee is arthritic?
Carroll made reference to there being issues with the knee and that it wasn’t a basic ACL tear. I wouldn’t want to speculate but arthritis could be a problem. Two injuries to the same knee is tough. It’s also about timing. Richardson hurt his knee in Jan, Gurley in mid-November. So he’s already two months ahead of P-Rich in terms of recovery. I think you draft Gurley with the idea he might be red-shirted in 2015. Richardson hopefully returns but I’m not sure we’ll see him this year.
Didn’t HB Todd Gurley have another injury in 2013 and 2012 as well? I know he was banged up in 2013, can’t quite remember what the exact nature of the injury was, and my memory is foogy on whether or not he was in 2012 too.
I think he was out for a month or so in 2013 with an ankle injury. I don’t recall anything from 2012.
Pretty sure that ankle didn’t affect his production post injury.
I’m very torn about Gurley. One the one hand, extending Lynch for 2-3 seasons makes Gurley somewhat of a lux pick; there are other more pressing needs. But on the other hand, I think he’s the next Herschel Walker and SEA could continue their reign as the NFL’s best rushing team for a long time to come.
Thanks. Yeah, I wasn’t sure about 2012, but I did just see that he played a full season his freshman year, and did miss a month (4 games) in 2013 like you said.
I like HB Todd Gurley and think he could be an absolute steal for someone. His medical history is worrisome for such a young guy though, just like it was with P-Rich. Especially for the 1 position that has the shortest shelf like as it is, and also take the most punishment.
Gurley looks pretty damn amazing, but what are the odds of him making a full recovery from his ACL injury. Not just “whether he’d be ready this year” (which, should Lynch decide to retire outright, we’ll certainly need) but whether he’ll ever be the same as we saw in that clip? What is the chance he’ll recover to play again, but lose the step or two that make him so explosive?
Hard to say without seeing the medical advice offered on his knee, but recovery from first time ACL injuries is very good these days due to advancement in technology. Adrian Peterson never lost a step.
I agree, it’s all dependent on if there were any other ligaments and/or if the meniscus was damaged. Usually it’s not the ACL itself that is the issue it’s everything around it.
Plus if they develop arthritis that is a whole another issue…
Rob what do you think about the RB from Boise State?
MFN, he is discussed by Rob and others in the thread above. Just do a control-F function and search for Jay Ajayi
Rob, my offseason prediction for the WR/KR position: the Hawks go for the hat trick and trade for Minnesota Vikings WR Corderrelle Patterson! I really hope I’m really wrong,but Schneider does seem to love his Vikings wideouts….
It’d have to be a late rounder. Patterson has almost no use as a receiver — he really is just a trick play artist and return man.
I am struggling with Collins as a 1st-rounder. He has the build, fluid hips, explosively gets in and out of his movements and has decent ball skills. But what I don’t see is physicality. He will face guys up on screens, but he is non-existent in the run game and actually looks like a guy avoiding contact situations. He takes business-decision angles. He glances off too easily on solo tackles that pros make in their sleep (see his ’14 Alabama game). He really reminds me of Richard Sherman in college (good ball skills but didn’t show physicality–he actually became a great tackler later, as a Hawk)–which is why I would draft him later…but I think he is pretty chancy in round 1. I think the Hawks will have need for a couple of CBs–they will need to develop Lane’s replacement in the nickel, as well. Rob, who are your favorite nickel guys? I have my eye on Steven Nelson (30.5″ arms) and Ekpre-Olomu (redshirt potential/not sure about arm length). They both have some nasty, though I know arm length is something the Hawks covet at the nickel.
I think that’s harsh in terms of run defense — I think he looks to get involved and has shown to be a sure tackler. I see the Sherman college comparisons — and that’s why I’d want him in R1. In hindsight Sherman should’ve been a first rounder, he’s the best corner in the NFL. If Collins has that same potential, you bring him in and coach him up and potentially have the second best corner playing across from him.
In terms of nickle — Kevin White at TCU my favorite so far.
Yes I like White a lot as well–but those 29.7″ arms…Hawks seem to consistently want 32″–I’m not sure about Burley’s arms but I know the other nickels, Thurmond (32.75), Maxwell (33.5) and Lane (32.5) are all super long. Seems to be a trait they covet. Once the combine numbers come out, I guess we’ll be able to pare it down a little.
I wonder if we’ll ever see Seattle draft a CB who’s arms aren’t 32′ inches? My money would be on ‘No.’
Fair point — I wasn’t aware of his arm length.
I think Burley continues as Lane’s back up/replacement…
Rob you mentioned earlier (I think) that you felt Thurmond had burned some bridges when he left. Can you expound on that some more? I think he would be an awesome 2 year hire until or Simon or a Rookie or someone is up to speed!
Totally disagree about Thurmond being an awesome hire – even for one season. He’s a proven injury liability. Resigning him would be waste of a roster spot.
As for burned bridges, it wasn’t anything specific. Just a pattern of missed expectations – injury after injury, capped off with a 4-game suspension for smoking pot. Maxwell was waiting on deck and made the most of his opportunity.
He kept getting suspended. He had the chance to replace Browner, he was ahead of Maxwell. And blew it.
I can’t believe we just lost Ken Norton, Jr. to SF!
I meant OAK
Seriously!? Where are you seeing that?
I like Kenny, but damn man teach your LBs how to get proper depth in their coverage drops. How many times did we Seattle get picked apart because of this? And PC on the sideline pointing out on the field whenever he was talking to Norton.
He did a great job developing these LBs, but I think their just where Seattle needs them in terms of development.
Twitter.
This just means that he wasn’t offered seattle’s DC job, and I’d now assume that Richards is going to get it. i don’t think this is a huge loss. At least it wasn’t Richards/Seto/Cable
It sucks, but I’m not worried. I think a change may he good actually.
I agree Meat. Same with Dan Quinn, I know that PC is the mastermind behind this defense, but, I just think with the personnel they have, plus with the addition of a few draft picks, Marsh, Hill, KPL, Mebane, Pinkins, and possibly a cheap FA it would be nice to see more zone blitzes or a little more creativity.
It’s highly doubtful and Seattle like to keep things as simplified as possible, ‘this is what were running, this is our 3-4 looks defensively, and we’ll just impose our will.’ Sure would be exciting to see a creative package though, right?
Suh wants to play for Seattle Seahawks. Number 1 choice! Someone please make this happen!
I just saw this as well. You took the words right out of my mouth. I think he’d come here on a pretty fair deal. He is from the Pacific Northwest (Portland) and if there’s not a more ‘Seahawks’ type player in this league than Duh, we need to re-define what the word means.
My best advice regarding Suh: forget about it. There just isn’t enough money.
He’s going to lower than $100M asking price by quite a bit haha
Should *’Seahawky’ and *Suh
I Found these quotes to v]be very interesting. Take them with a grain of salt, because their from Bleacher Report, but Matt Miller is the best writer/draft guy that the site has.
— Small receivers are an exciting group in this year’s class, and as one scout told me, Kansas State’s Tyler Lockett is the best of the bunch. He’s expected by this team to be a top-75 selection
TE Blake Bell, Oklahoma
As part of my draft process each year, I watch three games early in the season on a player and assign a fall grade. NFL teams do the same thing, and as part of their process (and mine), you have to review each player again in the spring. Blake Bell makes a huge leap up my board after a second viewing.
Bell really improved over the year as a tight end after playing quarterback at Oklahoma for his first three seasons. He’s big (6’6″, 260 lbs) and moves like a much smaller man. He’s a very raw player as a technician, but his athleticism and toughness make him an intriguing tight end in a weak overall class.
2. OT D.J. Humphries, Florida
When D.J. Humphries declared for the 2015 draft, I can honestly say I hadn’t spent one minute on his game film. An early review against the University of Missouri and defensive end Shane Ray had me unimpressed. Thanks to a friend in the scouting community, I dove back in.
Humphries is a very athletic player with the footwork and agility ideal for a zone-blocking scheme. He may be physically maxed out at around 310 pounds, but he shows the natural tools already to play left tackle. His hand placement needs work, but that’s a teachable skill most incoming tackles need help with.
This is a question for everyone on the site. Who’s the better fit as a ‘big’ WR in the mid rounds.
GA Tech WR Darren Waller- 6’6, 238 lbs., unique, unique size. Or Houston WR Deontay Greenberry-6’3, 205 lbs., has a Sidney Rice vibe to his game,
Give me Waller. I like his upside more
personally im not too sure. ill just go by what kind of offenses they’ve played in for starters.
Waller was in that option Offense at GA tech so he might be limited in his routes. again I’ve never watched any of his games nor Greenberrys but based on that i’d lean towards Greenberry. last guy to come out of GA tech that was kind of a hot commodity was Stephen hill wasn’t it? again never watched Waller so this is all just based on reading. Waller has the size but i like Greenberry a little more.
also during the Senior bowl he was asked about his passive demeanor and he was quoted as saying “i need to get to a point where my passion for the game is there and not have to think about it”
probably not a good sign to pete and john since they love guys that love the game. just saying.
Fair point. Although, there has been a few games where WR Waller shows tremendous passion and fire.
WR Greenberry has his flaws too. Drops, not a good run blocker. But, it just illustrates the fact that there’s not many good options in this draft when it comes to receivers with size, outside of the top 15-20.
I’m really hoping they add TE Jordan Cameron, take a Lockett, Dorsett, Hardy, etc. in rds. 2-3, and then take a flawed, but developmental bigger WR somewhere between the 4th-6th, or even UDFA. I know as fans we don’t like to hear about UDFAs at the receiver position anymore, but they have been successful there.
Yes, but the last two before stephen hill were Demaryius Thomas, and some guy everyone calls “Megatron” I will personally take Waller for the potential, you cant train the size and speed. I also dont view him playing in georgia techs run heavy offense as a downside, he is going to about as close to georgia techs offense in the nfl as he can here in seattle.
different offenses. chan gailey the coach when megatron was there didnt run the triple offense.
Thomas was there for Chan gaileys offense the final year then Paul Johnson took over and implemented the run heavy Offense. not saying Waller would be a bad choice i just like the fact that Greenberry would come into the league with in my opinion a better understanding of route concepts. even then it took thomas a couple years before manning came in and help turn him into a hell of a WR.
From the little tape I’ve seen, Dezmin Lewis gives me a Sydney Rice vibe.
Breshad Perriman. Rob, tell me what you think?
Very inconsistent. Watched a couple of games and wasn’t overly impressed. Very capable of developing and has some physical talent, but makes too many errors for my liking.
A draft website had the hawks taking him in the 2nd round. I trust your judgement, just wanted to see what you thought.
Off to see my first EPL game today: West Han versus Manchester United. My first time in the UK… Beautiful country, Rob
Enjoy!
Man U fans are annoying. Great game. The beautiful game is truly beautiful here.