College football draft notes 18/09

September 18th, 2021 | Written by Rob Staton

— From early in the summer, I’ve been saying the 2022 quarterback class is a disaster. Draft media was regularly mocking the likes of Spencer Rattler and Sam Howell as top-10 picks. I never saw it. Howell looks like a fairly standard mid-round pick with little improv or mobility and Rattler simply isn’t ready.

Week one was a classic example of Rattler’s problems. He has the tools — arm strength, escapability and the ability to throw from different angles. Some of the stuff he does is Mahomes-esque. He’s creative — moving and re-setting, launching the ball with velocity from different angles.

However, he’s so unrefined as a quarterback. People are claiming on twitter today he’s regressing. He isn’t. His problems in 2021 existed last year too.

Against Tulane he threw two picks and it should’ve been three. Rattler trusts his tools too much. He throws into coverage and doesn’t anticipate situations. He was at it again today against Nebraska. He launched a pass into triple coverage and was fortunate the pick was dropped.

He doesn’t read plays or manipulate defensive backs. If the play is called, he’s throwing it. When he scrambles, he’ll take a chance. And at the next level he’s going to be a turnover machine unless things change.

On this evidence he isn’t ready for the pro’s and needs more time in college to work on his craft. It’s hard to imagine him going any earlier than round two based on what we’re seeing.

You’ll also see Nevada’s Carson Strong being mocked in round one at the moment as draft media desperately scrambles for a golden goose. Strong isn’t good enough. His arm strength and talent is overrated. For me he looks like a day three quarterback. Malik Willis at Liberty is exciting to watch but has significant technical flaws and is probably best suited going somewhere without the pressure to start immediately.

Ole Miss’ Matt Corral benefits from a well schemed offense run by Lane Kiffin which is, to be fair, prolific and user friendly. The talk of Corral elevating into a top draft pick is painful to observe. It says a lot about draft media, to be honest. It’s so thirsty for a big name QB to promote and rally behind for 2022.

At the moment I’m not sure you can justify projecting any quarterback in round one. So what does this mean? It means a huge market for Deshaun Watson, Aaron Rodgers and any other quarterbacks available for trade in the off-season. Houston drafted a quarterback this year, Green Bay drafted one in 2020. They wisely prepared for the transition because neither team will likely find a replacement next April.

The trade market for veteran QB’s next year will be red hot.

— On top of the 2022 being light at quarterback, there’s also a real lack of legit top-tier talent. Kayvon Thibodeaux and Derek Stingley will go early. Aidan Hutchinson will go earlier than many think. Kyle Hamilton is becoming a ball-magnet and by adding turnovers to his game, could easily work his way into being a high pick. There’s not a lot to get excited about though if you follow a team destined to pick early next year.

— It’s pretty clear the NFL is desperate at cornerback, across the board. It’s becoming such a need position, it’s reminiscent of the offensive tackle crisis that dogged the league. Don’t be surprised if a whole bunch of corners stack behind Derek Stingley.

— We highlighted Kenneth Walker (RB, Michigan State) a couple of weeks ago and he had another standout performance today. Walker rushed for 172 yards on 27 carries, while adding 17 yards and a touchdown as a receiver. He’s 5-10 and 210lbs and a Wake Forest transfer. He’s a tough, physical runner who’s difficult to bring down. He’s definitely a player to keep an eye on.

— I’ve watched Notre Dame running back Kyren Williams twice this year. He’s slippery, dynamic and tough to stop when he gets going. He lacks the size Seattle looks for in a running back and he might be too small for the next level — but he’s fun to watch and a dual threat. He had 91 yards on 12 carries against Purdue, with two catches for 47 yards and a touchdown.

— Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum is very athletic, can pull with ease and progresses to the second level superbly. I suspect, however, he might last well into round two due to a lack of power at the point of contact and you can drive him backwards. Of course, if he has a Senior Bowl and combine performance like Garrett Bradbury, all bets are off. Oregon center Alex Forsyth lacks the athleticism of Linderbaum but he’s Mr. Consistency and a player to monitor.

— This is going to be a much better draft for tight ends. Jalen Wydermyer has had a quiet start at Texas A&M but has the talent. Wisconsin’s Jake Ferguson has a complete game, as does Ohio State’s Jeremy Ruckert. Iowa’s Sam Laporta is someone I want to watch more of. Today he had a career high seven catches for 65 yards and a comfortable redzone touchdown. For all of Washington’s struggles, Cade Otton has a future at the next level. He had a touchdown against Arkansas State. I’m looking forward to seeing what Greg Dulcich will do for UCLA tonight (along with running back Zach Charbonnet).

— Two pass rushers have flashed that are worth monitoring. One is Florida State’s Jermaine Johnson — lumbered on a hopeless team after transferring from Georgia. He’s playing with great effort and quickness and is making an impression at FSU. He led the team in tackles against Wake Forest, shared a sack and had a QB hurry. The other is USC’s Drake Jackson who had a wonderful sack/fumble. He’s 6-4 and 255lbs and showed great speed attacking the edge against Washington State.

— Somehow, Georgia’s massive defensive tackle Jordan Davis remains underrated. He’s 6-6 and 340lbs but he knifes through gaps like a man 50lbs lighter than he is. As you’d expect, he can stack blockers and control the interior. He’s a tremendous player who will test better than anyone expects. He helped force a safety today. He’s a freakish athlete. I’m not sure how early he’ll go but he’s a terrific pro-prospect. For me he’s a first round talent. Meanwhile, Georgia linebacker Channing Tindall looks really quick and physical. He stood out in the first half against South Carolina. At SPARQ he ran a 4.19 short shuttle and jumped a 40 inch vertical. For Georgia’s opponents, receiver Josh Vann showcased big play ability downfield plus the ability to high-point and compete for the ball. Vann scored a superb touchdown, creating great separation. He looks like the next impressive wide out to enter the league from South Carolina. Vann is definitely a player to have on your radar.

— I’m not sure Fresno State quarterback Jake Haener has the physical qualities (6-1, 195lbs) to excel at the next level but he was sensational in an upset win against UCLA — playing with an injury to lead an improbable last-gasp game-winning drive. The Bruins have been highly entertaining this season so far but using Zach Charbonnet for just six carries in this game is a major head-scratcher. He scored on a third of those carries. His two touchdowns were typically impressive — dragging defenders for yards-after-contact to get into the end zone. Tight End Greg Dulcich went without a catch or a serious look in the passing game. You’ve got to make the most of your talented players.

— I really like Arkansas safety Jalen Catalon. He led Arkansas for tackles against Georgia Southern and broke up two passes. He’s a terrific redshirt sophomore and the heartbeat of the Arkansas defense. Another defensive back to watch for is cornerback Montaric Brown. He’s 6-0 and 190lbs, plays well in run support and could be a nice project.

— He might not have the hype of his brother but Taulia Tagovailoa is a really fun player to watch at Maryland. He’s led them to a 3-0 start and he flashes a lot of talent. He finished with 32/43 passing for 350 yards and a touchdown in a close 20-17 victory over Illinois (adding 25 yards as a runner). He won’t go in the same range as Tua but he’s a player worth following this year.

— Alabama running back Brian Robinson, a senior, is one to keep an eye on. He’s 6-1 and 225lbs and will get plenty of opportunities to impress this season in the SEC. He stood out against Florida with 75 yards on 14 carries. Robinson scored twice (once as a receiver). He has talent and could be a value option in the draft.

— I watched several games this weekend. Please, ESPN, we get it. The Manning brothers are doing an alternative MNF football broadcast this season. We don’t need to be reminded literally every five minutes during college football Saturday.

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388 Responses to “College football draft notes 18/09”

  1. Gohawks5151 says:

    Jordan Davis is a beast. He looks fantastic week after week. He has been the most impressive guy outside Zach Charbonnett for me. The Michigan D has some guys to monitor. Agree on the lack of CBs. Even the normal DB factory’s like the Ohio States of the world lack a true dude outside Stingley

  2. Palatypus says:

    Really liked what we saw out of Vann today.

    I’m curious that with Drake Jackson, is Seattle really ready to spend another three years developing a USC pass rusher?

  3. McZ says:

    What about Jake Haener? Leeds Fresno State to a near upset vs Oregon and now washes UCLA.

  4. McZ says:

    Brennan Armstrong got 554yds passing with substandard OL, and a bunch of no name receivers vs NC. He is still a junior, but I think he belongs into consideration.

    Sean Clifford is this years measured game manager type of QB and will fly up the boards, once this traits becomes clearer. He had a 87% completion percentage vs Auburn and all stats are pointing up. The Ohio St game will be vital.

  5. Paul Cook says:

    The thing about Rattler, like you said, is he does have a somewhat unique arm talent. He can make all kinds of throws that most QB’s just don’t possess the natural kinesthetic talent to do so. That’s a gift. He’s just neither a real good decision maker yet, nor has he yet matured into the kind of confident-in-his-skin field general persona that both Mayfield and Murray embodied in spades nearing the end of their college careers.

    I hold out hope for him still, however, because he’s got the natural talent, and you never know when that light bulb might suddenly click brightly on. He’s certainly got about the best QB coach you could want to have at the college level in Riley. The guy really loves football, and you can see that when the defense makes great plays and he responds like their biggest cheerleader on the sidelines.

    He’ll likely go pro. But I’d be willing to bet that he’d be a real good pro prospect if he stayed another year in college. But the money’s too great for such a thing to realistically happen. My partner is a Sooner, so I’m of course hoping he’ll suddenly click into uber gear and lead them to another national championship, especially with my Huskies in the dumps at present. LOL

    Nice thoughts perspectives and always nice to be better exposed to the individual talent out there that you’re seeing and taking notice of.

  6. Sea Mode says:

    Jim’s right, we haven’t mentioned Lucas in over a year. And his build looks incredible.

    Also, I didn’t know DK’s dad is scouting for the Sr. Bowl…

  7. Sea Mode says:

    This might actually be the most beautiful INT ever! Wow!

  8. Henry Taylor says:

    Nkemdiche elevated from the practice squad.

  9. Big Mike says:

    Chip Kelly does some strange stuff as a coach. Why Charbonnett doesn’t get at least 15 carries a game is beyond me. I guess the good news is that whatever pro team gets him will have a guy with low mileage.

  10. Isaac says:

    Rob you spend so much time breaking down players while they are in college. I would love to see a new series with let’s say 15 players who were blog favorites. Let’s say 4 years after that draft. Kind of a where are they now. Why did or didn’t they work out with the teams that drafted them. Plus add the hawks draft class from that year. Curtis Allen would be a great person for this write up.

  11. Palatypus says:

    Per Adam Shefter:

    “La’el Collins will begin serving his five-game suspension Sunday, but the Dallas Cowboys right tackle is appealing the ban and said he hopes the facts of his case lead the NFL to overturn its decision.

    Collins missed multiple drug tests, according to sources, but he also believes there are valid reasons for almost each missed test.”

    Has anyone ever came up with a poor excuse for missing multiple drug tests?

    • Palatypus says:

      Magnetic therapy? Maybe if he was drinking Russell Wilson’s Smart Water he wouldn’t be in this situation.

      Oh and Tom Brady and Richard Sherman on the same team?

      You mad bro?

    • Sea Mode says:

      Hmmm, I’m just not sure. As desperate as we are, he’s likely going to miss games again due to injury at some point and at any moment after the legal matters are resolved, the league could decide to hand down a 3 game suspension for the DUI. Might just be better to give Brown and Jones some real game experience.

  12. Rob Staton says:

    Just a reminder that as well as the instant reaction article later, we’ll be doing an instant reaction live stream. I’ll be joined by Robbie & Adam today.

    Jeff Simmons will join me for a stream on Wednesday to reflect on weeks 1&2 and Robbie and I will also do our usual week 3 preview stream.

  13. Palatypus says:

    Randy Moss just threw the Vince Lombardi trophy in a river. Turns out it floats.

  14. Paul Cook says:

    Too bad that we didn’t get Nantz and Romo for our game today. They’re doing the damn Cowboys/Chargers game instead.

  15. Rob Staton says:

    The Colts are a joke

    • Sea Mode says:

      I can’t figure out the Saints. Blow out the Packers last week, now down 17-0 to the Panthers approaching halftime.

      • cha says:

        Maybe spent their powder last week. A lot of energy relocating and trying to be a positive distraction for the local community.

    • Ashish says:

      Carson throwing that shovel pass for interception at goal line… He is far better than that. Colt better try new QB

    • Jordan says:

      Yep. Reich and Wentz are infuriating. They should be decently ahead.

      SF’s play calling and QB are trash.

  16. 206 says:

    Panthers looking nice in the first half, eagles look pretty good, miami bad, and how bout them TEXANS

  17. 206 says:

    If the bucs sign Sherm I’m going to be livid

  18. Ashish says:

    Looking how colts oline performing we should lower our expectations from our DL.

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      They’re going against one of the best DLs in the NFL, and the best defender in the NFL on that DL group.

      Having said that, Davenport is hot garbage out there. Probably the worst back to back performances at both OT spots in memory.

  19. Rob Staton says:

    Ah yes, Damien Harris

  20. cha says:

    Fashion show
    Fashion show
    Fashion show at lunch!

    Tyler Ott, making me jealous with that Kraken sweater

  21. OP_Chillin says:

    Zach Wilson looks clueless out there.

  22. cha says:

    Inactives today

    Dee Eskridge
    Jake Luton
    Rashaad Penny
    Stone Forsythe

    John Reid
    Bryan Mone

    • cha says:

      Calling all Seahawks pass rushers…

      Jim Wyatt
      · 7m
      .@Titans inactives vs @Seahawks:

      LT Taylor Lewan
      LB Jayon Brown
      TE Anthony Firkser
      WR Cameron Batson
      CB Caleb Farley
      OLB Derick Roberson

      Lewan ruled out with (knee)

  23. AlaskaHawk says:

    The Rams with Stafford look beatable, but it would require some good play and tight cornerback coverage.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      What timing , ha ha. The Colts score an easy touchdown off of a bad punt snap into the Rams own blockers.

  24. cha says:

    Robbie, did you get that Colts banner put up in your house at halftime?!


  25. Blitzy the Clown says:

    This Rams-Colts game just got interesting… 👀

  26. Rob Staton says:

    Nick Chubb is so good


    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      What Rob? Don’t you just love the irony of Seattle passing on Chubb because they were scared off by his knee injury, only to draft someone who they thought was the healthiest, but who can’t stay on the field?

      Yeah, me neither.

    • Sea Mode says:

      Don’t even start. I can’t…

    • Poli says:

      You really wanted Kittle as well, but the Hawks took Tedric Thompson 🙁

      So which was the bigger loss, Kittle or Chubb?

  27. Kyle says:

    The Rams look vulnerable to the run this game. Would like to really attack them with different runs and motions than we have in the past when we play them.

  28. AlaskaHawk says:

    I’ve been a huge Stafford fan from playing fantasy football and having both him and his best receivers = 20 years ago. He is past his prime but still good.

  29. Mick says:

    Cmon Colts, still enough time for a winning TD.

    • pdway says:

      man, what a break the Rams get – colts starting QB can’t make it out for the game-tying drive. The back-up QB….predictably throws a pick….

  30. Blitzy the Clown says:

    What a play by Darius Leonard!

    This Colts team reminds me a lot of the Seahawks from the last few season: better on paper than on the field, so any game can be either seriously rewarding or seriously frustrating (even if it’s a win).

  31. Blitzy the Clown says:

    But of course, Jacob Eason. 🙄

  32. Sea Mode says:

    Brady Henderson

    On his @710ESPNSeattle hit, GM John Schneider tells
    @RaibleKIRO7 that the Seahawks are playing it smart by de-activating DT Bryan Mone in the hopes of getting him back next week. Schneider said Mone played through a triceps injury in the opener.

    Robert Nkemdiche is up off the practice squad with Mone out today. Schneider likened Nkemdiche — a 2016 first-round pick who was out of football last season — to Michael Bennett in how aggressively he shoots gaps and gets up-field. “You’re going to see him be disruptive.”

  33. Sea Mode says:

    Holy cow, is today national QB injury day or something? Dropping like flies. Be careful out there, Russ!

  34. Big Mike says:

    I wonder if anyone that plays the rams is ever going to figure out that Cooper Kupp makes their passing game go and actually cover the guy?

  35. pdway says:

    I think what the early results show – is that we don’t really know who’s good after a single week…Rams could easily have lost to the Colts, and Niners to Eagles, Saints crush the Pack last week, and then lose handily to Carolina.

    All of which is to say, I don’t really have a feel for how our game is gonna go today.

  36. Big Mike says:

    Rain supposed to stay away for the duration this afternoon.

  37. AlaskaHawk says:

    Russell passing deep to Lockett is Like a lightening bolt falling from Heaven.

  38. cha says:

    Worst feeling in the NFL: RW playing your team and he takes two steps in the pocket and winds up to throw.

  39. Big Mike says:

    He had Tyler for the touchdown and I know that’s not an easy throw but it is one he has hit more than once in his career.

  40. Kyle says:

    God Flowers just gets burned all the time. Every time the ball is thrown his way I just assume it’s a catch and first down.

  41. AlaskaHawk says:

    I’m not liking the long drives from Tennessee. Seahawks need a stop.

  42. OP_Chillin says:

    Almost no pressure on Tannehill. Took six sacks last week.

  43. pdway says:

    that’s great man coverage by Reed there.

  44. Rob Staton says:

    Doesn’t sound very loud on TV

    Was expecting it to be nuts after last year

  45. OP_Chillin says:

    Intermediate middle passing game is still missing. Short stuff and obviously the deep ball is there, but it’s not sustainable as we saw last year.

  46. Mick says:

    Carson must deliver more than 2 ypc.

  47. Rob Staton says:

    Need to see a replay but kind of feel like DK needs to make that catch on third down.

  48. OP_Chillin says:

    Screens? Intermediate digs/seams? Anything new?

  49. dand393 says:

    Wtf is wrong with metcalf he’s such a diva

  50. OP_Chillin says:

    Twitter film guys saying MoF players are open and Russ won’t hit them. Hard to tell based on what I’ve seen but if that’s the case there’s no obvious solution.

  51. pdway says:

    O-line getting beat consistently. Where are the quick passes to the TE and some screens? Need to get some rhytym. We were so crisp last week. A slog so far other than the deep throw.

  52. Big Mike says:

    Fuller beat and his man sacked Russ. Don’t need a Center in this offense tho.

  53. Matt says:

    We went from everything looks easy (last week) back to everything looks difficult. Very frustrating.

  54. cha says:

    No pressure on Tannehill on D

    Nibble or bomb on O

    This isn’t working.

  55. Big Mike says:

    Guess who’s (not) covering?

  56. Kyle says:

    This is on the offense for not applying scoring pressure. They should have 10-14 by now if they could get out of their own way.

  57. Bmseattle says:

    I think we are officially better on the road than at home.

  58. Big Mike says:

    Jamal Adams has now blitzed 3 times and come nowhere near the QB

  59. OP_Chillin says:

    Well-schemed and executed blitz. Time for the offense to answer.

  60. It only took two weeks, but we’re finally back to REAL Seahawks football!

    Offense looking like #%(#$, playing like %@#@, and Tre Flowers is still employed…

  61. OP_Chillin says:

    That’s a very nice touch pass

  62. AlaskaHawk says:

    Yes, Mr. Dependable Tyler Lockett. Russ has been a bit slow and short on the long ball, but it worked out this time.

  63. Mick says:

    Great pass by Russ, but boy is Tyler hard to stop!

    • Bmseattle says:

      A lot of the “Russ throws the best deep ball” narrative is due to Lockett and his amazing ability to find the ball in the air.

  64. pdway says:

    at least Russ still looks very sharp. love the rhythm drives even more, but i’ll take that score – we needed something to spark us.

  65. Big Mike says:

    Someone picked up a blitz on Russ’ right side that gave him the time to complete that. Subtle things that make plays happen.

  66. Kyle says:

    Robinson nice HIT!!

  67. cha says:

    Backfield took away the first read – just enough for Alton to get home!

  68. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Alton Robinson saying, hey what about me?!?

  69. AlaskaHawk says:

    The character of this game changed quickly! And can the refs stop with the unsportsman like penalties after a TD?

  70. OP_Chillin says:

    They sucked rushing against PA passes last season. Excellent job with multiple guys getting past their blocks on that one.

  71. Big Mike says:

    Are all 100 of Julio’s yds against Flowers?

  72. pdway says:

    i know it’s beating a dead horse at this point – – but can we give sidney jones a try?

    Flowers plays such soft coverage, always so far away from the receiver…

  73. cha says:

    Hey Jamal – stop jogging towards the QB.

    What was that?

  74. Big Mike says:

    This D series has been shit and they get the ball to start the 2nd half. 🙁

    • Kyle says:

      The smart play here for Tenn is to “double dip” here and run the clock down and score then get the ball first in the second half.

  75. Big Mike says:

    Brooks didn’t do any worse than Flowers there

  76. Kyle says:

    The only thing worse than Flowers on Julio is a LB on Julio.

  77. Mick says:

    Did he have control before he stepped out?

  78. Big Mike says:

    Not sure I agree but I’ll take it

  79. pdway says:

    still a great catch by Julio. He may still be the best player on the field.

  80. downtownjewelrybryan says:

    angry doug the toe tap jedi upstairs with a big smile

  81. Mick says:

    This is the right speed, we score.

  82. Bmseattle says:

    No TE targets today, right?

  83. Mick says:

    Woo Collins

  84. pdway says:

    this drive is a joy to watch…..

    such great precision

  85. AlaskaHawk says:

    They got enough timeouts for two runs and a pass.

  86. KennyBadger says:

    Alex Collins fan here. Penny would have sprained an ankle on that play.

  87. pdway says:

    woohoooooo .. .. that is how you do it….

  88. Kyle says:

    Now that is a hell of a two minute drill right there!

  89. Trevor says:

    If the Hawks can sure up the Center spot and the rest of the OL stays relatively healthy this offense is going to very hard to slow down.

  90. Mick says:

    Perfect drive, A+!

  91. Big Mike says:

    It looked like a lot of those passes were scripted this week based on what they expected defensively. What a thing of beauty.

  92. AlaskaHawk says:

    All that in 48 seconds? Looks like Russell has been practicing his one minute drill. What a great series. And loved that run by Collins.

    They got Tennessee demoralized and ready to pack for the flight home.

  93. downtownjewelrybryan says:

    whoa… bellore took his soul

  94. James says:

    Really good to see them turn a slow start with a few adjustments. Man…get AC more touches.

  95. cha says:

    At the half:

    Derrick Henry 13 carries for 35 yards. 2.7 avg and no TDs.

    1 catch for 15.

  96. OP_Chillin says:

    Slow start, strong finish to the half. Let’s snag another 10 points in the next half and close this out.

  97. Katal says:

    Bad team, bad press conferences, will probably get smashed in the second half.

  98. Paul Cook says:

    We are looking so good these first two games so far. Even a bit of a clunky start to the game was steamrolled by what soon came after.

    Four passes, 30+ yards, 18 seconds! I’m giddy.

  99. pdway says:

    That Alton sack/fumble changed everything in this game…

  100. Mick says:

    We stopped Henry completely. They got several times in our redzone and could not get a TD (OK with the somewhat controversial revert). Alton had a sack leading to our TD. I would say great job D. If I were the Titans’ manager I would ask Tannehill to throw to Julio Jones as much as possible, Flowers can’t contain him.

  101. pdway says:

    I’ve mostly just watched highlights, but the AZ offense looks like it is going to a load to handle this year…

  102. Pran says:

    Defense is not up to mark…getting shredded thru air consistently. Plain lucky to have given up 9 only.
    May not be lucky against better teams ..

  103. Troy says:

    I’m extremely pleasantly surprised by the Seahawks defense. This feels like a complete team. I’m honestly getting super bowl vibes, I know it’s early in the season but the Titans were legit last year, they have some amazing talent on O, and our d is handing them. Our offense is prolific, special teams are legit.

    Of course injuries and other things can happen but I’m not gonna lie, I’m truly hopeful this could be a the season they go far since 2014.

  104. Kyle says:

    I work in a furniture store and we don’t have cushions as big as Flowers gives WR.

  105. Nathan W. says:

    Tre Flowers… sigh.

  106. Hawks4life says:

    Adams needs to put up or shut up

  107. pdway says:

    this is a test case, if PFF doesn’t give Flowers a terrible coverage grade this week, then their service is not based in reality.

  108. Trevor says:

    Rondelle Moore is an incredible weapon for the Cardinals. Going to be a star. That Cards offense is going to be a problem.

  109. Big Mike says:

    Troy, disagree. This team’s offense needs to put up points weekly in the upper 20s to mid 30s to win. Defense is below average tho better than last year (not saying much).

  110. Blitzy the Clown says:

    LJ Collier is responsible for that Henry TD run. He completely blew backside contain, while trailing the play so badly he would’ve been a total nonfactor if Henry hadn’t cut it back.

    I’m done with Collier. He’s absolute garbage. In retrospect I wouldn’t draft him in any round, let alone the first.

    Also, Tre Flowers is not an NFL caliber CB. He might be an NFL caliber safety, but DB whisperer Carroll knows better apparently.

  111. cha says:

    The DL is not making life uncomfortable for Tannehill. He’s got all kinds of time playing behind 3rd stringers.

  112. OP says:

    Really didn’t look like that was a first down.

  113. Kyle says:

    God I love to see Metcalf in the open field with the ball in his hands being a bully with his size and speed

  114. Big Mike says:

    Good thing we took a time out to set up that play. That was horrific

  115. OP_Chillin says:

    Corner was playing faaaar off Metcalf on that third down and isolated. 2/7 on third down. Win or lose, that is a concerning trend carrying over from last season

  116. cha says:

    Jordyn Brooks being sent a message? Barton in this series.

  117. Big Mike says:

    Tennessee really shot themselves in the foot on that last yet last 4 down sequence. 1st pass was behind the receiver 2nd pass was dropped and the field goal was wide right the though we did at least get a coverage pressure on 3rd down

  118. Mick says:

    Great that he missed. We have to put some points on the board now. I’m glad that we found a way to still manage Henry.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      It feels more like they just stopped using him after he was so successful in that series. And now they are behind!

  119. Blitzy the Clown says:

    There’s that good old “bend but don’t break” Seahawks defense. Nice stop for no score on what was an otherwise frustrating defensive series.

  120. Big Mike says:

    Man we are still an awful screen team

  121. Kyle says:

    Now that is scheming guys open!

  122. Big Mike says:

    The very definition of a blown coverage

  123. AlaskaHawk says:

    Nice Touchdown – Go Seahawks!

  124. Mick says:

    Strong OLine this play.

  125. Trevor says:

    Missed FGs seem to always be huge momentum changers in games for some reason.

  126. Big Mike says:

    Defense has been on the field too long They are not good

    • Mick says:

      And Flowers could have done more. Diggs, sorry, loved him today, but Kam would have destroyed Henry there.

      • pdway says:

        that’s not all on jamal – he’s not calling the blitzes, he also got pushed in the back if you watch the replay.

        Flowers looked like a pop warner guy trying to tackle.

        And then Henry does what he does to Diggs, too fast, even at that size. It’s why he’s special.

        That missed extra point sucks now too.

    • Big Mike says:

      17 million dollars per year

  127. Hawks4life says:

    Adam’s has blitzed how many times and done nothing….

  128. Leonardo says:

    Teams are completely prepared for Jamal Adams blitzing this year. Does he have any other pitches, or are we going to watch Diggs on an island all year while Flowers gets toasted again and again?

  129. 206 says:

    Not happy with adams play at all

  130. 12th chuck says:

    wtf is flowers still on the field for. adams is not living up to a hint of his reputation

  131. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Through the first two games of this season at least, it’s getting hard to deny that Diggs is the top safety on this roster. I don’t care what the other guy’s name is.

  132. Zane says:

    The color commentator is just insufferable to listen to today

  133. Pran says:

    Worst D shows up
    Jamal, Barton, flowers, Dline.. what the hell.

  134. pdway says:

    that’s such a huge play though… b/c this game was just about over.

  135. Pran says:

    DK is wasting his talent.. extra curriculars need to stop.

  136. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Not a good game for DK. There’s no excuse for not coming down with that contested catch.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Three years in and I’m giving up on him ever being a dominant 1v1. He is what he is. An incredible size/speed weapon but not someone who can bully DB’s in contested situations

      • Blitzy the Clown says:

        I usually cringe a little when he takes a big hit after the catch because I’m just not sure of his grit and I fear a fumble.

    • pdway says:

      at such a crucial juncture in the game – – was that the high percentage play we needed to avoid a 3 and out?

      Don’t like the call at all….get three yards there.

  137. Scot04 says:

    This game looks so much like last year. Bad defense and hoping Wilson does enough to win the game. We need a stop badly.

  138. Big Mike says:

    17 million dollars per year and ZERO splash plays in nearly 2 full games

  139. Leonardo says:

    I know DK is our “#1” but Lockett is our most indespensible receiver. Can’t imagine our passing game moving without him. And DK has become the archetype of the diva WR. Duane and Russ need to sit him down and tell him he can’t feud with the defense every week.

    • J.P. says:

      This offense is honestly really ugly outside of those couple of big plays. Same problem I had with Schottenheimer.

  140. cha says:

    Feels like they’re really missing Mone today.

  141. Pran says:

    2nd half offense is garbage except for one blown coverage play. Offense coundn’t put a drive together that eats clock and scores. Titans offense is just doing that and limiting number of opportunities For Russ.

  142. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Holy shite Flowers defenses a pass, as opposed to making the tackle after failing to defense the pass.

  143. Big Mike says:

    Offense will have to win this game

  144. OP_Chillin says:

    Defense getting smoked. Taunting on top, wow.

  145. Blitzy the Clown says:

    What a bollux call. Absolutely shite. Referees ruining the product.

  146. James says:

    Stick a fork in me…I’m done. Coach some discipline into these children.

  147. cha says:

    One flex from Reed and it’s 15.

    But Jalen Ramsey gets a game-sealing INT and runs the whole field blowing kisses and waving goodbye to the Indy crowd and no laundry.

  148. Mike says:

    Can we please put Sidney Jones in the game he can’t possibly be worse

  149. AlaskaHawk says:

    Yes to that defensive effort on 4th down. Tennessee should have used Henry, Tannehill doesn’t have the wow factor.

  150. Bmseattle says:

    How can they not have Henry in the game on 4th and 2?!

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      I know – it’s stupid. But here is one to ponder, when has Seahawks Alex Collins been used after his big run? Pot meet kettle.

    • pdway says:

      right – as soon as he’s not in there you KNOW it’s a pass. Makes no sense.

      We do like to live on the edge., Good pressure when we had to have it at least.

  151. Troy says:

    For everyone calling the defense soft, the D just made a GIGANTIC stand. Watch and enjoy people, I think this season will be special

  152. Bmseattle says:

    Our offensive line is not getting much of push.

  153. Mick says:

    Was Hyder or Al Woods with the sack?

  154. OP_Chillin says:

    They’re just so bad on third down.

  155. Blitzy the Clown says:

    A guy as strong as DK should be able to stretch for that first down.

  156. Big Mike says:

    That was just junior high level football

  157. Scot04 says:

    Not feeling comfortable at all.

  158. Pran says:

    Garbage O to go with D.. What did Shane bring?

  159. Mick says:

    If they get a 2 point conversion and we lose this game, we beat ourselves with indiscipline.

  160. Big Mike says:

    So they have a first and 20th actually get the 1st down after running 2 plays brilliant defense

  161. Scot04 says:

    Just feels like a bad loss coming. Hope I’m wrong.

  162. AlaskaHawk says:

    This is looking like an over time game, and our defense is sooooo tired.

  163. cha says:

    Al Woods is gassed

  164. J.P. says:

    That missed point earlier…

  165. pdway says:

    if we blow this it’s on the O as much as the D.

    Two 3 and outs w the game in balance, just like last year.

  166. Mick says:

    They literally used the same scheme three times in a row. Is it so hard to figure it out?

  167. Pran says:

    Nothing changed from last season.. Titans are guaranteed 10-15 yards for every catch ..Ken Norton’s promise!

  168. pdway says:

    also, do your job myers, this all has a different feel if we don’t miss that extra point and are up 8.

  169. AlaskaHawk says:

    Henry is the sort of running back that the Seahawks need. But maybe between Carson and Collins the Seahawks can put it together into a mega running attack.

  170. Bmseattle says:

    Every single completion for them is over the middle

  171. Scot04 says:

    I hope they just go for tie

  172. Scot04 says:

    Tennessee 14-0 when Henry rushes for two TDs

  173. OP_Chillin says:

    Henry flat out dominated the defense. No other way around it. I heard 500+ yards given up, is that right?

  174. Bmseattle says:

    Wow…I had no confidence we would have stopped them.

  175. OP_Chillin says:

    Terrible throw Russ, wtf? Wasted a timeout

  176. AlaskaHawk says:

    Tennessee messed up, barely even got the point after .

    Seahawks are sucking at this quick drill. You got to bat that ball into the ground.

  177. pdway says:

    offense has gotten stuck…they need to help out their exhausted defense going against hte most dominant back in football.

    I hate this dynamic.

  178. Big Mike says:

    That doesn’t look good

  179. OP_Chillin says:

    How many backups was TEN using on their OL? I know they came in with a backup LT, their LG Saffold got hurt in-game, and their Center also got hurt but might have come back since then.

  180. Pran says:

    Rush 4 yet hit the QB.. nothing changed on O or D from last season.. it’s time for Pete to retire.

  181. AlaskaHawk says:

    Great, now the offensive line is relying on backups. The offense has sucked in the second half.

    Overtime will be loads of fun when the get a steady dose of Henry shoved down their throats.

  182. Rik says:

    What a shitshow of peteball in the 2nd half!

  183. Scot04 says:

    To me the offensive scheme hasn’t looked much different than last year, and the defense looks like it did early last year.

  184. AlaskaHawk says:

    I have to ask why the Seahawks have gone totally away from a running game? Because the line is backups that don’t know the running plays.

    • pdway says:

      it hasn’t been working either….

      You can keep those 1st down runs that inevitably put us in 3rd and 8. so frustrated. this game should have been 31-16 and over.

  185. GoHawksDani says:

    What a joke…only 3 decent player in this team: Wilson, Lockett and Wagner…maybe Diggs as a +1. Everyone else played pretty bad, mediocre or just a rotational player who had 1-2 good plays.
    Can we please trade Adams for a 3rd? And Metcalf for a 1st and 3rd maybe? Both overvalued a ton

  186. Rokas says:

    I had one wish during the offseason, to never see Flowers starting ever again. I mean it’s a joke, he can not cover anything. Anything. I can’t believe we could not replace him.

  187. Big Mike says:

    We have been out physicaled yet again

  188. AlaskaHawk says:

    Oh great, we are the team that Henry is setting personal records on.

  189. OP_Chillin says:

    JAMAL WTF man!?!?

  190. Denver Hawker says:

    Can we get our money back from Jamal?

  191. Big Mike says:

    2 1st round draft choices a 3rd round draft choice and 17 million dollars a year get you that

  192. GoHawksDani says:

    And all the penalties…how ridiculous. What did Adams bring to the table in the first 2 games? Maybe 15-20 yards for the opponents? Metcalf is a diva. He can run and has potential, but throwing small tantrums in every game is getting old. He’s not that good (yet)

  193. Pran says:

    As much as Adam sucked.. that’s a BS call

  194. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Two first round picks, a third round pick, a starting safety and $18 million per year buys you a defensive series extending, potentially game losing penalty.

  195. OP_Chillin says:

    3rd and 15. No BS, just get it done.

  196. Denver Hawker says:

    Bobby is like a fine wine

  197. Kyle says:

    Now lets F*cking go offense!!!

  198. Big Mike says:

    Why did I see Carlos Dunlap and coverage twice?

  199. Mick says:

    No excuses now, time to deliver guys.

  200. Big Mike says:

    WTF is this shit

  201. OP_Chillin says:

    Third down, here we come again…

    Wow, that is terrible

  202. Kyle says:

    Jesus Christ Russell use your damn head!

  203. OP_Chillin says:

    Great they need 10 yards to win

  204. AlaskaHawk says:

    What a Sh*t show. What the heck happened to Alex Collins? Russell has been way off on his passes.

  205. Big Mike says:

    It’s terrible officiating terrible performance by the seahawks terrible game why do I continue to have hope?

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      I think it’s because no matter how bad the team plays, they somehow make the playoffs in a tough division.

  206. Mick says:

    It’s hard to believe we can win anything with this mindset.

  207. Pran says:

    Nothing will ever change under Pete.. that’s guaranteed. They can’t adjust for F sake… worst Titans D is playing like all time best

  208. J.P. says:

    I’m not impressed with Waldron. It’s like that article spoke of. This offense just feels disjointed right now.

  209. Rik says:

    Offensive failure. How many times do we have to see this? How many years in a row?

  210. Trevor says:

    Game / Set / Match for Titans. They deserved the win or at least Derrick Henry did. The Titans offense is what Pete dreams the Hawks could be.

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      Yep, they made a good move getting Brown and Jones, those are some great receivers to throw to. And of course Henry is such a strong runner.

    • pdway says:

      i know our D has given up all these plays…but this one is on our offense. plenty of chances to ice this, or at the very least, give our D some time to rest.

      it’s not like the Titans are some superior defensive force. Incredilby disappointing.

    • Peter says:

      True but everytime he had the chance PC drafts high upside project guys, burns picks on borderline useless safeties, and when he can draft a running back picks a guy who is as healthy as procise was.

  211. Big Mike says:

    Terrible horrible loss

    • Trevor says:

      The Hawks knew they would need to stop Derrick Henry to win the game. They couldn’t and deserved to loose. Jamal Adams was the worst trade in Hawks history and he is the most overpaid player in the league.

  212. Big Mike says:

    What an absolute joke

  213. OP_Chillin says:

    That was a horrible performance. Defense crap. Offense is the same and you can’t keep blaming coordinators at this point.

  214. Rowdy says:

    Russ choke the whole second half away

    • Peter says:

      Sure but so did the defense and did collins and carson die? I was just following on box scores but sub 70 yards total?

    • McZ says:

      Said it last week, stand by it this week…

      This Seahawks team has only one way to win… deep bombs from RW, and if you take that away by stacking two deep, you are in business.

  215. Mick says:

    This one is going to leave deep scars. Complete failure in the O in the second half, if you don’t get first downs you lose the game.

  216. Leonardo says:

    One of the worst losses of the Pete/Russ era. Collapsed like a house of cards, no one except Lockett and maybe Bobby can hold their head high. The kind of loss that makes you reassess their ceiling for the season.

  217. Pran says:

    Rob can copy paste from last season.. nothing to stress much about.

  218. Trevor says:

    As Denny Green said ” They are who we they thought they are”! This is not a contending team.

  219. Feindt says:

    What an uninspiring Offensive Performance. No ideas, no disguise, just putting the ball up and hoping to get bailed out by DK or Lockett

  220. Matt says:

    Season defining loss…this will haunt us in late January; “if only we had a bye in R1,” “if only we had won the West.”

  221. Pran says:

    Imagine winning one game vs NFC W with this O and D… let’s aim for a Top 5 pick with a new coach and GM

  222. GoHawksDani says:

    24-9, 30-16…and they lost the damn game.
    Why are they this stupid bad?
    Why do they need to throw THREE TIMES in OT for 15-20 yards?
    You have time, you only need like 50-60 yards or maybe even less for a FG and a W. You don’t need to get those yards in 2-3 plays, you only need 10 yards.
    This team stinks from top to bottom.
    Next year RW will demand a trade and we can see the ship sink slowly. But hey, at least our captain, Pete Carroll will be the last to leave the boat

  223. Bmseattle says:

    Offense did nothing on the 2and half. Only score was on that blown coverage.

  224. Henry Taylor says:

    Well that sucks.

  225. downtownjewelrybryan says:

    finesse team got beat up

  226. Scot04 says:

    Tennessee did everything they could to let us have an easy win. We chose not to take it. Very ugly game where Seattle can’t really take any positives from.
    Does not even look like a playoff team. I predicted 10-7, im worried I might have been too optimistic

    • Peter says:

      I thought at 24-9 “well now, sesttle gonna finally throttle someone.” Did some ysrd eork and poof! It was all over. How has this team become so freaking mediocre at home?

    • pdway says:

      yeah, they dropped passes all game.

      We did the same thing, but with penalties.

      I still think it all comes down to our offense needing to make a few first downs in the 4th quarter against a middle-of-the-road defense…and utterly failing. WTF.

      • Scot04 says:

        Lack of DT depth definitely was a factor. No Mone hurt. We’ve been complaining about lack of DT depth since before season started. Today it really showed. Regardless just brutal 2nd half on both sides of the ball.

    • SeattleLifer says:

      I also pegged 10-7 on the season but that was being hopeful both with injuries and that Waldron could inject some extra life into the offense which remains to be seen if that will be the case and still doesn’t change the fact that Norton is the d-coordinator.

  227. Paul Cook says:

    I never like to lose. But if there was a game that could be a teachable moment, it was this game, this loss. Sloppy. The self inflicted wounds just kept coming and coming. We took ourselves out of drives on offense, and extended drives for the Titans on defense.

    It’s no shame to have Henry run over us in the second half. That’s what he does to just about everyone. But that dump-over-the-middle-pass over and over again was driving me crazy. We just couldn’t adjust to stop it.

    Anyway, we deserved to lose. Nobody but ourselves to blame.

  228. schrub says:

    Man. I put this on the two coordinators. More on Waldron as he left the D out there. Complete garbage.

  229. SeattleLifer says:

    Jamal Adams is a bleeping chump. And I don’t say that because of his roughing the passer. The guy is below average in pass coverage(and terrible if you factor in his elite athleticism and speed), does’nt seem to want much to do with finishing on a number of plays and frequently gets himself and/or teammates out of position with his often mid guided over-eagerness.

    Unless he has an astounding change of play coming up he is just a horrific acquisition from compensation given up in trade to contract being payed to on field play which should be so so much more than what we are seeing for all we’ve put into the player. Just gut turning disgusting.

  230. Martin says:

    I think we were lucky to be as close as we were. Four key takeaways for me.

    Norton needs to go, (and it’s been obvious for some time). Yes I know it’s Pete’s defence but he must have some critical input.

    Despite the good things he did, – Wilson was too often in the ‘I won’t throw it but instead run around until I get sacked mode’ that he gets into.

    The Seahawks are not good enough to be so poorly disciplined. Offsides, taunting, late hits……

    Apart from Woods – the defensive line was crap.

  231. pdway says:

    I guess if you’re looking at it from afar, Henry becomes the storyline of the game 35/182/3, it’s like a college football stat line. What other RB in the NFL gets 35 carries?

    You wouldn’t know that we were up 14 (should’ve been 15) in the 4th quarter, and threw the ball all over the place for 3 quarters. Whatever it is w us that makes us freeze up on offense in the 4th, it’s a killer flaw.

  232. Shane says:

    can someone explain to me the difference at the start of the game? That first three and out kind of set the tone. I saw nothing different/unique to what they did previously. no TE’s utilized when we needed a couple yards etc etc et… ugh

  233. Edgar says:

    Couldn’t happen to a more idiotic city.