College football Saturday notes

September 30th, 2017 | Written by Rob Staton

Just a few thoughts as the day goes on, feel free to use this as an open thread too.

— Bradley Chubb (DE, NC State) recorded two sacks and 3.5 TFL’s against Syracuse today, a week after collecting two sacks, a forced fumble and a QB hit in a win against Florida State (before strangely spitting on the FSU logo at the end of the game). He has 5.5 sacks in four games so far. A lot of other defensive players are getting attention but Chubb warrants serious chatter as a potential top-15 pick. He’s big (6-4, 275lbs) with great quickness and athleticism. He needs to work on his rhythmic gymnastics though:

— Sam Darnold (QB, USC) didn’t have a particularly good performance against Washington State. He wasn’t helped by his O-line but that doesn’t excuse some poor throws, including a really bad interception and some other near misses. In previous games he’s looked excellent despite turning the ball over. Against Wazzu, his overall game was off. He has nine touchdowns and eight picks so far and that’s a problem. This is his first full season as a starter so we’ll see if he can limit the turnovers in future weeks. His creativity, mobility, improvisational skills and ability to be a playmaker will still intrigue teams highly. The turnovers? That’s something to work on.

— Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State) looks every bit a top-five pick. He’s just so incredibly dynamic — a genuine freak of nature player. He’s not just a running back. He’s a threat to score as a runner, receiver and returner. Here’s today’s opening kick off against Indiana:

Here he is making a play in the passing game:

And he even threw for a touchdown:

We’re talking about a player with true superstar potential if he lands in the right offense. He really didn’t deserve to be called Saquon Broccoli after the game by Chris Simms…

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287 Responses to “College football Saturday notes”

  1. Trevor says:

    Barkley is clearly the best player in this draft IMO. Truly dynamic play maker and seems like a great character player.

  2. sdcoug says:

    Falk clearly outplayed Darnold

  3. Volume12 says:

    Pretty boring week so far for CFB excluding last night’s game. Hope the night game add some excitement.

  4. Volume12 says:

    Stanford HB Bryce Love out here establishing himself as the most explosive weapon in the country.

    • Volume12 says:

      1,000 yards in 5 games on 87 carries and unmatched burst.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        +1 could be year of the RB

        • Volume12 says:

          In a class that has this much talent at RB, no one is close to Barkley though. He’s better than Zeke, better than Fournette, better than Gurley.

          • Volume12 says:

            And I think a guy that will find himself in the end of round 1- early round 2 talk is going unnoticed right now.

            Miami HB Mark Walton.

            • Volume12 says:

              Texas A&M’s Keith Ford is intriguing too. He won’t be the athlete Chris Carson is, but they’re running style are very similar. He’s a dude who seeks out contact.

          • Trevor says:

            I agree Vol! Barkley is the best and most complete RB prospect I have seen with no red flags off the field. Future star wish there was some way to see him in a Hawks uni.

            If I am the Browns I do whatever it takes to get that kid.

          • Ishmael says:

            He’s an absolute superfreak. He’s as well rounded as Elliot, only more explosive. He’s not quite as smooth as Gurley, but good lord.

  5. Chris says:

    Would be nice to see another Penn St. running back wearing the Seahawk uni.

    • Ben says:

      I’d flip out if we got someone like him. Admittedly I’m pretty young in terms of scouting and the players I’ve seen, but he’s the best running back I’ve ever seen in college.

  6. Daniel Bryan says:

    Bradley Chubb is hilarious. Someone give that man an award for Best Actor in a Daytime Drama

  7. Volume12 says:

    There is some ‘Seahawky’ dudes on this VA-Tech team man.

    • East Side Stevie says:

      Like who Vol?

    • Hokie Seahawk Fan says:

      Funny you say that. I’m a VT alum and a Hawks fan, and I was kicking around the idea of submitting a short guest piece for Rob about this exact thing. As I’ve learned more about what the Hawks look for, I see that there are some guys on this team that are absolutely Seahawky. Your list below is a really good start. I would add OG Wyatt Teller (#57, nasty on the field but cool off it, freakishly strong, natural interior lineman, former 5-star DL recruit) for sue, and DB Mook Reynolds (#6, versatile across multiple backfield responsibilities, doesn’t look huge so may not meet the measurables for the Hawks, but one of he most instinctive defenders you’ll ever see, true ‘nose for the football’ stuff).

      K Joey Slye is also worth a look (if not a second round pick, alas) – his TB % on kickoffs leads the nation, the ball literally never even lands in th field of play. He used to be automatic on 40-yards and in but looks like he got the yips this year. Also he’s very swole and likes to make tackles.

  8. East Side Stevie says:

    Holy shit has anyone seen Mike Hughes 6’0 185 JR from UCFf?

    • East Side Stevie says:

      I also like Iowa’s CB Josh Jackson 6’1 190lbs also a Junior. Him and Mike Hughes will be available on Day 3.

  9. Coleslaw says:

    Let’s trade up for Barkley

  10. Volume12 says:

    OK St. WR James Washington is one of those prospects we see every year that will be over thought/analyzed.

  11. neil says:

    Nothing about Washington State here ? I thought they played a terrific game. Falk 34 of 51 and showed complete control of the offense.

    • Mac says:

      Most over here are UW biased.
      . I was really inpressed with Alex grinch’s game plan, the speed d looked great. Mataafa looked dominant, I want to see how he performs at the combine. I love college football but nobody in the PAC 12 can take down Alabama, there are contenders but Alabama is far too stout, would be interesting to see how much better they’d be if they had a legitimate qb.

  12. Volume12 says:

    # of players on Seattle by school & conference FWIW

    Michigan- 3
    Texas A&M- 3
    Wisconsin- 3

    ‘Bama- 2
    Colorado- 2
    Mizzou- 2
    N.D.- 2
    Stanford- 2
    W. Virginia- 2
    LSU- 2
    TCU- 2
    Texas- 2
    Purdue- 2

    SEC- 15
    BIG 10- 11
    PAC 12- 9
    BIG 12- 8
    ACC- 8
    C-USA- 3
    Mountain West- 3

  13. CharlieTheUnicorn says:

    Bryce Love STAN = 25 CAR, 301 YDS, 3 TD


  14. nichansen01 says:

    Barkley deserves to go number 1 overall.

  15. nichansen01 says:

    Let’s tank for Barkley

  16. D-OZ says:

    We have already won too many (game). LOL

  17. D-OZ says:

    9&7 might get us Nelson though…

    • STTBM says:

      You really see Seattle reaching 9 wins as of now? Im trying hard to be optimistic, but with the way the defense is giving up third and longs, and failing utterly to pressure qb’s, to say nothing of our offenses total incompetence, I cant see Seattle getting more than five wins at best.

      The line cant block, the playcalls are beyond predictable, Graham is running -1 yard routes on third and long, neither Rawls nor Lacy is averaging even 1.0 yards per carry, and Russell Wilson is no longer a threat to run the ball.

      Seems to me Seattle has ruined both their offense and their defense, as it has steadily declined over the last two plus seasons. They are no longer innovating on offense, and the D seems to have lost its identity and its way. Im still trying to understand how Seattle thought using ET as a slot corner and leaving Chancellor as Single High Safety was a good idea….

      We’re getting outcoached in every single facet of the game, and the O-line is by far the worst in the league. Ifedi appears to have lost all confidence.

      I blame Cable, but I also feel Carrol’s meddling in the offense has been detrimental, and ultimately the buck stops with him. He appears to be going the way of many other older coaches before him (Landry, Knox, Parcells, Holmgren, etc), doing what used to work, refusing to adapt, and becoming utterly stagnant and demonstrating an unwillingness and inability to innovate.

      Its early, but if you look at the last three years, a case can be made that Carrol has not been doing a good job coaching the team, and a decline is evident that cannot be totally attributed to persosnnel. They have the most talented Defense in the league, yet arent playing like it. Who’s to blame? Carrrol and Richard is where the buck stops…

      • 503Hawk says:

        Doesn’t matter if we win 12 or just 2. JS will trade down to collect more picks and get “their guys”.

        • Volume12 says:

          I hope not. This is a top heavy draft. I mean obviously they need to get back that 2nd rounder somehow.

      • cha says:

        Can we please stop burying this team after 3 games? Pretty please?

        • Hawktalker#1 says:


          There is still a lot of football left this year and a lot of positive things are going to happen. Let’s just give it some time and watch it unfold. Sure being ugly early is never good, but winning late solve many problems.

  18. SheHawk says:

    Had a sense the cougs would upset Friday. This game will be very telling. My intuition is sensing it’ll be break out game for offense😁 Hope to see more Tobin +/or 2x, or 3x tight end sets. Want Carson to pound rock but got to do something else up front – especially on left side to break him open…… Want to see darboh more and let ADB mend up. Lockett overdue to light things up. offense has to win TOP battles starting this game!

    I like how cowboys used 6 DBs last week. We won’t do that but let’s go back to 5/ nickel. Start Griffin over Lame (not a typo) play McDougal and more Hill to keep fresh / fast. Biggest improvement in Cougs D over recent years is ++speed Remember SB 48 interviews when Broncos coach fox said he wanted our Speed?? Way to get that back =younger players and keep our dear LOB fresh with more subs. We have depth and this is the game to try new things and shake it up a bit…Death row needs to earn their paychecks with 3+ sacks

    It’s a dominant win today… if not… it could be a long road to a higher draft pick

  19. Volume12 says:

    Logan, check out these cleats the Falcons are wearing today. Or any WWE fans.


  20. Volume12 says:

    W. Michigan OT Chukwuma Okorafor blanked the nation’s leader in sacks.

    When is draft media gonna catch on to him? He’s the perfect ZBS tackle.

  21. Volume12 says:

    Remember the narrative after one single season that QB Jared Goff wasn’t any good?

    • Volume12 says:

      Its kind of ironic about today’s current NFL HC’s. The younger ones seem to be better than the dinosaurs. Or like Andy Reid at KC on the offensive side and DQ at ATL on the defensive side, you’ve actually started to evolve with the product and implemented college schemes into your program.

    • Ishmael says:

      It wasn’t a narrative though, he was objectively dreadful. McVay is clearly a serious coach though, they’ve got Gurley rolling in a big way again.

      • Volume12 says:

        Was he dreadful or was the scheme and his surrounding cast other than Gurley?

        I didn’t think he was that bad. He was a rookie transitioning from an Air Raid offense.

        • Ishmael says:

          It was both IMO. But still, he’s a great example of why you shouldn’t rule a kid out after just one season.

  22. Rik says:

    The Rams are absolutely the most improved team in the league. I am not confident about that game at all …

  23. nichansen01 says:

    If the Seahawks finish the season with a top 10 draft pick, do we go for someone in that range? Or do we trade down?

    • Volume12 says:

      Depends. How many of ‘your’ guys are still available? And if your able to select one of ‘your’ guys at say 15-16 then trade back and still come away with who you wanted.

    • Rob Staton says:

      If we ignore your relentless negativity nichansen01, will it stop?

      • Hawktalker#1 says:

        Ha I could use a good laugh today after watching the Cardinals win and the Rams win

  24. Ishmael says:

    Funny season. No really dominant teams. Before we completely panic, it’s worth remembering that the Pats have the same record as the Jets.

    Deshaun Watson looks like he might be the real deal though. Remember when Bill O’Brien refused to give him first team reps all through preseason because Tom Savage was the starter?

    • Trevor says:

      Watson will end up being the steal of the draft. I said it all last year, he was the perfect guy to be the face of the franchise and turn around the Browns or Jets. First they pass on Wentz now him. No wonder they suck.

      All the scouts looked at what he couldn’t do instead of his intangibles and what he could do,over and over again on the big stage and that is win.

      • Ishmael says:

        I honestly thought he should have gone to the Jags. He’s exactly what they needed. Would have turned them around overnight. Only three games in, so still too early to crown him, but he looks pretty good hey?

        • Trevor says:

          He sure does. Looks like the same guy who lit up that awesome Alabama D in back to back years in the championship game.

    • Volume12 says:

      You get a peak Jaguars team. Look like a real team to start the season than lose to the Jets.

      Dallas looks like they’re headed towards their usual ‘make the playoffs than miss out the next year’ trope.

      The Rams are 3-1 again just like last year.

      Baltimore & Pittsburgh went from the best rivalry in pro football to just another matchup.

      AFCW is the best division.

      Aaron Rodgers talking about being unbeatable at home.

      Gotta say. Not much has changed.

  25. Trevor says:

    Anyone questioning the impact of an OC (Mcvey) and one quality veteran OT (Whitworth) look at the Rams.

    That OL was as bad as ours last year and their offense was a mess as result. Now they are putting up 30+ per. Funny they can fix the OL in one off season and we are going on year 6.

    • vrtkolman says:

      Whitworth signed there literally a minute after free agency began. McVay is a fantastic offensive mind and knew exactly what he needed to build a good offense overnight. On the other end, we are signing guys like Bradley Sowell and JaMarcus Webb, and putting Wilson’s blindside protection in the arms of guys like George Fant.

      • Trevor says:

        You forgot to mention signing Joeckel fot $8 mil coming off an ACL. It is laughable reallly.

    • Rob Staton says:

      But Trevor, McVay is the HC not the OC. He is not an OC working for a defensive minded Head Coach who still dictates the identity and style of the offense, while having to work with an Assistant Head Coach/running game coordinator.

      You’re going to drive yourself nuts if you keep seeking these types of comparisons. What was the solution? Seattle fire Carroll and appoint McVay? Give me the name of a current QB coach who you think could be the next McVay type OC in Seattle.

      Let’s not do this every week.

      • Trevor says:

        McKay is the head coach and He calls all the offensive plays. Same with Kyle Shanahan.

        The solution was simple fire the OC and OL coach and bring in one guy to run the offence not have 3 guys trying to run it like they do now. I don’t know what is so complicated about that. Also sign a competent veteran OL free agent to add some stability to this young group. Not spend $8 mil on a guy who was a bust and the Jags did not even want. Even you said Joeckel was not any good last year when he name came up.

        Why do you always try to make this seem like just an unfortunate set of circumstances when it comes the Hawks offensive consistency and OL. It is not. It is a combination of poor talent evaluaton on the OL, poor coaching, failure to allocate adequate cap space to the OL and mismanagement by Pete and JS in handling the offensive coaching structure. All the same issues as last year and the fact that nothing was fixed this off-season falls squarely on Pete and JS.

        • Trevor says:

          McVay not McKay darn auto correct.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Trevor, the point is you quite consistently complain about the OC and OL coach. The point is, the HC has a MAJOR influence on everything. How both individuals do their jobs. You say just employ one guy to do it all. Great. But who’s responsible for that? It’s the Head Coach. The person you never question when making these points. It’s always Bevell or Cable’s problem, without any care for the perspective.

          And that’s what I try to counter with. I have never even argued Cable and Bevell are doing a good job. I’m merely not particularly keen on the MMQB nature of the fan base currently — or the complete lack of perspective to simply point the finger at Cable and Bevell.

  26. nichansen01 says:

    Rams are winning the NFC west. No way we win next week, i could see us starting 1-4, 2-3 at best :/.

    • nichansen01 says:

      Do we beat 49ers on the road? I don’t think so. Do we beat the Rams on the road? Do we beat the redskins? Do we beat the cards on the road? Do we win at jacksonville? In Dallas?

      I sense 7-9, not trying to troll or panic.

      • Trevor says:

        I think we should beat both Ariz and SF on the road.

        I do think the Jags, Skins and Cowboys will be a struggle.

        We always struggle against the Rams so I am not that confirdent about next week. Who knows maybe we switch the script and upset them next week.

        • neil says:

          You forgot to mention the Falcons, Texans, and even the Giants who will be playing in desperation to keep their jobs. With the o line as it is the home field advantage will not be a big a factor as in the past.

    • Trevor says:

      I think we win tonight come on now lets not get carried away. No way the Colts win in Sea with no Andrew Luck.

    • Rob Staton says:

      nichansen01 — not looking for a site troll. Please take heed of this message.

  27. Trevor says:

    Rawls inactive tonight and Prosise out again with injury. Ughh

  28. Trevor says:

    Copper Kupp looks legit. Love his route running.

  29. nichansen01 says:

    McKissic is active instead of Rawls. WOW

  30. Trevor says:

    Blounts run today against the Chargers reminded me of Beastmode. Really wish we had signed him this off season as a red zone / short yardage guy.

  31. Trevor says:

    I have a feeling Carson has a breakout game tonight with 2+ TD and 100 yds+.

  32. Ishmael says:

    Wilson had options there on third down, that’s on him. Still, better start than we’ve been seeing so far!

  33. Ishmael says:

    Colts centre is REALLY struggling

  34. Rowdy says:

    That’s completely on wilson.

  35. Kenny Sloth says:

    Why was that not the tuck rule

  36. Ishmael says:

    Gotta say, our special teams play has been seriously underwhelming

  37. Ishmael says:

    This is nice. Now just keep running it. Slam it down their throat.

  38. Forrest says:

    I’ve come to terms that Wilson is a f*****g wizard!!

  39. nichansen01 says:

    But horrible. Not great, but not horrible.

  40. Kenny Sloth says:

    Time to decide if we’d rather have keep Luke Wilson and let Jimmy move on!

  41. Ishmael says:

    Now THAT is what I’m here for

  42. Rik says:

    Wilson is hesitating on every throw even with receivers open. Why does this happen early in the game but not later when he throws the ball quickly and accurately?

    • Ishmael says:

      He’s so, so, turnover averse. He doesn’t have a choice later in the game but to cut loose a bit. It’s the whole Carroll thing, can’t win a game in the first half. He’s playing not to lose. It is frustrating to watch though, he’s not had a good start today.

  43. Derron James says:

    Justin Coleman really to me looks really good. He could be our nickel corner of the future, since we have future control ( I believe).

  44. nichansen01 says:

    Justin Coleman > Jeremy Lane

  45. Ishmael says:

    Earl really should have picked that.

    Avril, Clark, and Naz Jones all injured…

    • Hawktalker#1 says:

      One of our guys knocked it out of his reach

      • Kenny Sloth says:


      • Ishmael says:

        Nah. He dropped it cold. Wilhoite got in his face a bit, but it just went straight through his arms.

        • Kenny Sloth says:

          True he had hands on it

          But when the angle is redirected so quickly by a deflection you give some credit.

          Perhaps his broken leg was being impacted by the receiver?

          I just don’t want to see any like Earl has no hands narrative develop lol

          • Ishmael says:

            What? I’m not trying to push anything. Just saying he should have picked that, he’d probably tell you the same thing.

            • Kenny Sloth says:

              I wasnt trying to say you were, Ish. I was worried you’d think I was.

              It was a good play by Wilhoite but I gotta say he messed up Thomas there.

  46. nichansen01 says:

    Hate all these injuries. Hopefully they’re minor

  47. Kenny Sloth says:

    Good thing Chris Jones is so much better than Jarran Reed, right

  48. Rowdy says:

    This team is bottom 5 in the league easily

  49. Rik says:

    So they have double our yards and time of possession. Taxing the defense, yet again.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Context dude. Context

      Look at explosive plays and turnovers.

      • Rik says:

        I think teams know that if they extend drives on our defense it will pay off in the second half. We’ve seen it in every game this year. I wish it was different. Offense has got to step up.

  50. nichansen01 says:

    Turnovers? I’m having a nice long look at them Kenny.

  51. Forrest says:

    Yikes -_-

  52. nichansen01 says:

    Great game! Offense playing well. Defense dominating. Go Hawks! Elite team and coaching!

  53. Coleslaw says:

    If we lose this game and finish the season 6-6 we’ll be 7-9…. we gotta get rolling or we gotta start losing lol

  54. Trevor says:

    Everyone is crying for us to run the ball more but how can you with the way our OL run blocks. If you run on 1st and 2nd down you are looking at 3rd and long then Russ is running for his life. It is a difficult issue for a play caller.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      If you throw an incompletion and get a foul you’re at 3rd and long so..

      • Trevor says:

        Exactly not sure what the solution is if you can’t pass protect or run block. No easy solution / answer.

  55. Trevor says:

    It kills me to say this as die hard Hawks fan but this team just does not look very good. An offense that can’t put together a sustained drive and a defense that can’t get off the field on 3rd down is not a winning combination.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Except thats been the narrative around this team for years and we’re a perennial super bowl contender

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Sounds like a ‘you’ problem dude

      • Trevor says:

        Kenny no problems here. just stating facts. I have never said that about this team I have always thought they were contenders in the PC/JS era. This year I do not based on their play on the field. Is the roster good enough? Yes. The way they are playing is not.

        Perhaps you could make an intelligent comment or reply for a change instead of your mindless comments just to try and disagree with everyone.

  56. dylanlep says:

    This team looks old and satisfied

  57. nichansen01 says:

    Really great defense. Offense is firing on all cynlinders. Elite special teams. Love watching the product the football gods Carroll and Schneider have blessed us 12s with!

  58. Kenny Sloth says:


    I better go comment about how the season is over -how y’all be sounding EVERY WEEK

    • Rowdy says:

      No one said the season is over , people are saying this team looks bad. Do you honestly think this team looks like a Superbowl contender?

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        Yes? Look at all the pieces and the plays they make.

        Jimmy is looking like the weak link among receivers so that says a ton.

        Our youth and depth is exciting.

        Our ST is inconsistent.

        • Ehurd1021 says:

          What young pieces on this roster look promising? And what depth are you talking about?

        • Rowdy says:

          I think we have better talent at every level then the Colts, I also think the Colts are out playing use right now at every level

          • Kenny Sloth says:

            So much of our defense is based in preperation and scouting.

            Not a lot of tape on Brisset’s Colts

    • nichansen01 says:

      Maybe we sound like this because we’re looking at 1-3?

  59. Kenny Sloth says:





    • nichansen01 says:

      lol I’m starting to think Kenny sloth is actually just an alias for Tom Cable.

    • Trevor says:

      I only hear people saying the first thing Kenny. The other things must be the voices in your head.

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        I literally just made a joke about that out loud before you commented that.

        Maybe you’re the only voice in my head

        • Kenny Sloth says:

          I said “Brisset has to cover his earholes to hear the voice in his head

          Jameis Winston has different kinds of voices in his head”

  60. michigan12 says:

    This years team is not a good team, there is something wrong with them. With all the talent they have we should be destroying the Colts. We will not even make the playoffs this year. Either our defense is old and tired, or teams have figured out how to scheme us and we have no answer for it. Our offense, don’t even get me started, they are garbage, nothing better can be said about them.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      The NFL is a lot harder than you give it credit for.

      Like a truly awful team is very rare. Maybe one a season.

      Most other teams are extremely competitive

      You’re the type of person that thinks Bama would be the Browns, huh

      • michigan12 says:

        No I don’t think Bama would beat any NFL team. I might have spoke to early tonight, but I was getting tired of watching the same mistakes game after game. I still think Seattle needs to improve but hopefully they will build off this game.

  61. Ishmael says:

    The Seahawks fandom is every bit as obnoxious as the Pats/Steelers at this point. Consistent success does no good to anyone.

    And having said that, that’s a bad miss from Walsh on the half.

  62. Forrest says:


    This team isn’t fighting for a Superbowl anymore, they’re fighting for a wild card spot. I still think they’ll win the game though.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      Crown the Rams now, huh?

      Y’all need to chill.

      • Forrest says:

        Oh I’m chill. I don’t even yell at the TV anymore, I just roll my eyes. Also, the Rams look better than the Hawks RIGHT NOW. 10 weeks from now it will probably be a different story, but as things stand the Hawks are playing at a sub-par level.

  63. 12th chuck says:

    is it me or does anyone else think we need a new defensive coordinator .fact is, we don’t have 8 pro bowlers on offense.we know our short comings on o line. we don’t have the Lo.b. anymore .time to let grahm go as well.wilson is not playing very well at is hard to watch them play and not lose my composure. say what you want about cable or bevel, they do not have the talent on that side of the ball or the money.

    • RealRhino2 says:

      No, it’s not just you. Time for Pete to kill some darlings. Richard is just not good. He’s got tons of talent and can’t get mediocre teams off the field on 3rd down. Been that way since he got here. Not to mention the notable miscommunication issues we’ve had. A sign of poor coaching.

      And all the excuses in the world can’t change my mind about Cable needing to go.

      • 12th chuck says:

        hard to be negative Nellie so fresh off a win, but I would like to see them play this well for at least 2-3 game stretch. it will be hard without carson. not happy that procise is injured again.on the plus side its nice to see locket have a good game. grahm had a good game, but I wish he would try to catch the ball away from his body. looks awkward when he holds them so close, but had a good game

  64. Trevor says:

    This is a crazy year. No elite tems it seems. The Bills beat the Falcons in Atl wtf?

  65. Coleslaw says:

    Ok here’s the facts

    We look like trash SO FAR.

    We can still turn it around like years past.

    People have a right to be upset/pessimistic.

    We are a second half team, I mean second half of the season team.

    • Rowdy says:

      I agree with everything you said. All my comments are about the product on the field so far. And I don’t think I’m wrong about what I said

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      I disagree that we look like trash. This is a game of inches.

      • Coleslaw says:

        I meant this season so far, we do not look like a super bowl contender. Wildcard team maybe. This can change, and past years trends suggest it will, but until then I personally will not get my hopes very high.

        • Kenny Sloth says:

          I think you are on the money with that.

          We have time to recover, but again we see this every year. I think what we see is some really talented overwhelming football at times.

          Nothing like 2012/2013, but thats a historic squad now

  66. Kenny Sloth says:

    Carson’s looking great. Wish we ran it more. I can understand the trepidation in this running back room.

    OL looks so much better especially Odhiambo and Joeckle.

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      I think Russell has been the biggest issue with offensive consistency and keeping the defense on the field

      • Coleslaw says:

        +1 his first instinct is to run, now that might be on the OL, but that is a big problem, he holds the ball way too long

        • Kenny Sloth says:

          I also think they’ve been scheming him to drop back deeper to allow him more room to run which is allowing more pressure but keeps defenders at different levels

      • Rowdy says:

        Absolutely agree

    • Trevor says:

      Agree completely about Carson he is our lead back!

      • Kenny Sloth says:

        Can’t believe we were scouting him and targeting him this time last year.

        This forum is fucking intelligent. Even when we disagree.

  67. Coleslaw says:

    That was amazing, you could make a logo on par with ‘Jordans’ with that stretch

  68. Ishmael says:

    Love a two point conversion

  69. Trevor says:

    I love when Russ runs and is not scrambling for his life. Wish they would design more runs for him to keep defences honest. He is pretty smart about not taking big hits normally.

  70. Kenny Sloth says:


  71. Kenny Sloth says:

    I love the idea of Thomas Rawls simmering on the bench

    He ain’t gonna like Chris Carson taking his snaps.

  72. House says:

    Rees going down sucks. Battle or Tobin… Next man up

    • Kenny Sloth says:

      You dont move Joeckle there and deploy Glow? Who looked very solid there at times last year

      • House says:

        Rees is playing.

        I don’t think so. Joeckel still ain’t 100% recovered from that ACL. His job requirement at OG keeps him more in a box. If he moves to LT, his injury risk or bad play would skyrocket in my opinion

  73. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Tell me we aren’t going to lose to the colts . . .

  74. Trevor says:

    Hooker is the new Earl!

  75. Forrest says:

    Wow! Not bad!

  76. Trevor says:

    Wow JD mckisic shows some burst! Nice run have to admit.

  77. Forrest says:

    Here we go!!!!

  78. Rowdy says:

    Smith lmao if this guy keeps this up talk about a dimond in the ruff

  79. Trevor says:

    Marcus Smith with a nice play there!

    Mckissic and Smith in a span of 2 min make huge plays to completely change the game. Nice to see contributions from some other players,

  80. Trevor says:

    I think a secondary or Sherm, Coleman and Griffin is the way to go even when Lane is healthy.

  81. Rowdy says:

    Is it just me or is this team more fired up then they been all season? Love the energy I’m seeing now

  82. Trevor says:

    Best part of this game for me is the D scoring 2 TDs tonight. They have been missing the turnovers for it seems like 2 years now.

  83. Trevor says:

    Get the feeling there was some passionate discussion at half time. They look like a different squad in the 2nd half.

  84. Ishmael says:

    32 points, are we better than the Rams again?

  85. Forrest says:

    They have to dominate the 4th! Offense has to put up some more points. Maybe a TD to Graham to restore his and Wilson’s confidence?

  86. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Love JDs energy and quickness

  87. Ishmael says:

    This is such a confidence team, as soon as they start feeling good about themselves they really get on a roll.

  88. Kenny Sloth says:

    Luke Willson just surpassed Jimmy Graham for Seahawks TDs

  89. Ishmael says:

    This D-line is heating up, going to be fun to watch when they can pin their ears back

  90. Forrest says:

    My God, he was just slaughtered!!

  91. Hawk Eye says:

    have to start missing the first halves.
    like watching 2 different teams

    or as the married guys can relate to, PMS and after PMS wife

  92. nichansen01 says:

    Carson down

  93. Mac says:

    Carson! Nooooo

  94. Forrest says:

    Damnit -_-

  95. Hawktalker#1 says:

    No no no

  96. nichansen01 says:

    We need Barkley bad.

  97. Forrest says:

    Looks just like the 2014 Rawls injury…

  98. Ishmael says:

    That replay is disgusting. I’ll be shocked if we see Carson again this season. Awful stuff.

  99. Hawktalker#1 says:

    That is depressing

  100. Hawktalker#1 says:

    Time to que up Rawls

    We are going to need some running power against the Rams

  101. nichansen01 says:

    Honestly I’d wish we’d just pound the rock with Lacy game after game

  102. Kenny Sloth says:

    Oh my lord. I took the puppy out and came back in to Carson in a leg brace

  103. Hawktalker#1 says:

    I sure don’t want to be distracted with Laceys late game garbage stats
    Not a viable option

  104. Ehurd1021 says:

    1. The offensive line is atrocious and Wilson has completely lost faith in them. I would argue he’s regressed because of the offensive line play the last two seasons due to the pressure he’s been CONSISTENTLY under. Obviously, that’s not something I can prove but when you have a defense sending a 4 man rush and Wilson has ZERO confidence in the protection it hurts his capacity to perform.

    2. The offensive play calling is atrocious. I’m not talking about simple philosophy issues (run vs. pass.) I’m talking about our offensive coaches being able to scheme and put our players in the best position to succeed and win matchups.

    3. Jimmy Graham IS NOT A 10 million dollar player. He’s always been a square peg in a round hole here; not only from a skill standpoint but also mentally. For a team that wants to be an offensive bully and a run-first team, Graham is anything but that. He’s SOFT. Heinsight is always 20/20 but it was the wrong decision to bring him here and I’m PRAYING he walks in free agency this offseason. Can we please sign a veteran and blocking TE this offseason and call it a day?

    4. The defense is simply not elite anymore. Seattle’s entire cover 3 scheme is based on players keeping everything short; being able to run, hit, and play with violence and speed. Seattle doesn’t have the players OR YOUTH to do this anymore, honestly. Watch Atlanta one week and compare their team speed defensively to Seattle’s. That Atlanta defense looks like Seattle a few years back.

    5. Defensive coaching is a concern. This defense and especially the pass rush hasn’t looked the same since Dan Quinn left town. Now obviously there’s nuance to that… you could argue the offensive line and defensive talent has also regressed since then as well.

    6. The defensive line depth isn’t what it once was – which is showing up with our inability to stop the run. Seattle has no TRUE 1-tech anymore (i.e. Mebane, Bryant, and McDaniel) and Reed and Richardson aren’t those players. You could argue this LACK of depth has hurt Arvil and Bennett the most with the number of minutes they have played the last few years. JARRAN REED IS NOT A TRUE 1-TECH.

    7. Kam Chancellor is OLD and a shell of himself. Some might question Kam’s play because he got paid but I personally don’t believe that’s that issue. I think Kam is simply older and the years of physical play – which is the staple of his game – has finally caught up with him – which you can honestly expect. When you talk about being an enforcer of an all-time great defense, Kam was that in every sense of the word and I appreciate him. I think what also has to be mentioned is Kam got married last year… would I be wrong to consider that he and his wife are both thinking about his livelihood – which is beyond understandable? Just a suggestion… but what I will say is we’re not seeing Kam take on pulling offensive lineman like he once did in these first 4 weeks. Just a thought.

    8. SAM linebacker is a missing piece of this defense. Obviously, the players they brought in this offseason were stop-gap players I truly believe, but nonetheless, the lack of talent, size, and speed at the position has hurt the entire defense and their production. Should be a spot we address early in the draft.

    • Hawktalker#1 says:

      Perhaps Seattle should just resign their franchise . . .

      • Ehurd1021 says:

        Seattle won handily vs. a very bad Colts team. I expect these kinds of responses. However, what I will say is I stand by this post 100% and when Seattle plays better competition and talent, that will speak for itself. Like the 3-1 Rams next week. Just my honest opinion on the team. Could I be wrong? Sure. Do I hope I am? ABSOLUTELY. Only time will tell.

    • Ishmael says:

      I like your use of all caps, thumbs up.

    • D-OZ says:

      Reed having a great game!!!

  105. Ishmael says:

    Fat Eddy is going to be so good at salting away games. Soon as you can get a defence even a little bit back on their heels, he’s an absolute load.

  106. Forrest says:

    Okay, now this is just BM! LUL!!!

  107. Mac says:

    We should give all of our rb’s to other teams if we can’t open holes to keep them clean and safe. It’s hazardous to their health. It’s beyond football, we need to be able to protect their longevity and get them at least to the second level a good share of the time. Our o line has some good plays but is honestly sickening and might ruin someone’s life.

    • Ishmael says:

      What? Almost 200 yards on the ground tonight, they must have been doing something right.

      So many totally deranged takes around this team

      • Mac says:

        Against the colts…. I forgot that they have a better D line than the Rams.. lol Real world beaters. Football is hazardous, obviously, but I’ve been a fan for a long time and it’s pretty suspicious that over the years, our zbs scheme and o line is killing our RBs. We will most likely never find another battering ram like lynch who can take, deliver punishment and knows how to take the contact. It’s absolutely sickening. Put Rawls, Carson with Detroit, Green Bay and see how well they’d do or how much healthier they’d end up.

        • Ishmael says:

          Honestly dude, Carson got rolled up on. It happens. Like when Wilson got horse collared last year when he was in about 20 yards of space.

          Green Bay lost their two RBs just this week. It’s a nonsense take. The attrition in the sport is horrifying, but saying Seattle’s O-line is ruining lives because of one injury is just silly.

  108. Ishmael says:

    That’s a fantastic catch! Prosise is going to have to earn his spot back

  109. Kenny Sloth says:

    That Bobby Wagner touchdown though

  110. House says:

    I was one that didn’t think McKissic was going to stick. I didn’t think we needed him and thought Kasen Williams or Pierre Desir deserved it more. He’s proved to be a playmaker tonight and with losing Carson, we’ll need all the help we can get

  111. nichansen01 says:

    McKissic > Procise

  112. Forrest says:

    Okay, bad start, excellent finish, Rams up next!! Go Hawks!!

  113. STTBM says:

    Just heartsick over Carson. Cant believe this happened to us, and to him. Why not to the Pats?! Life is unfair…

    Glad to see the line block once in awhile, but they still are consistently inconsistent, and often hapless. Ifedi still flat out struggles. He doesnt look like a guy drafted in the first three rounds, he looks like an UDFA playing after the first two RT’s got hurt. Odhiambo is improving, Ifedi is backsliding. Ive been a big supporter of Glowinsky, but he’s just flat not getting it done and Oboushay is.

    Paul Richardson is doing much better than I thought he would. He still cant/wont block, and I will be glad to see him somewhere else next year, but he’s finally making a positive impact week to week, as you might expect a second round pick to do.

    Jimmy Graham is being wasted by this team. He’s a fiery, fine player, but Seattle is miscasting him and trying to make him what he isnt. They and he would be better off with him elsewhere. That said, Im sick about them wasting his talent, and I wish dearly they could use him in the Red Zone and more often. Its a sign of utter failure that they cant use him as they should. Every team in the league could find a way to utilize him better.

    Seattle woke up in the third and opened up the offense. Its no surprise to me they passed to set up the run, struggled when trying to run on first and second down, and did their best work with McKissic as a change of pace back. THey cant run the ball when everyone knows they want to, they cant do short yardage and they just cant impose their will…they really miss the threat of Wilsons Read Option. But they sure can set up the run with some innovative passing….

    And whats so wrong with that Carrol?! Do what works, or else find a new line coach and invest some money in that thing.

    Chancellor has lost a step, period. But if they scheme for that, it will be ok. You just cant use him as single high safety as they did last week, or else expect a TD (which is what happened last week). This Coleman kid might be a heck of a trade…

    What happened to JK Wright?! How about Marcus Smith?! And where is Frank Clark?! Boy do we need a run stuffing DT….

    How bout some Kudos for Darrell The Bevell?! Did pretty good despite being saddled with Cable and Carroll over his shoulder. Did you see Carrol bear hug Bevell, and Bevell looked rather stiff and still unhappy and tense?! He isnt happy with the meddling and the line…