Combine day two open thread: QB, WR, TE

I’m away with work today so there’s no live blog unfortunately. I’ll be doing a review piece later but in the meantime feel free to use this as an open thread.

The key thing to look out for are the defensive back measurements. In the Pete Carroll era, the Seahawks have never drafted a cornerback with sub-32 inch arms.

DB height/arm length (+32 inch arm length in bold):

Jamal Adams — 6-0, 33 3/8
Brian Allen — 6-3, 34

Chidobe Awuzie — 6-0, 30 5/8
Budda Baker — 5-10, 30 5/8
Chuck Clark — 6-0 32 1/4
Jeremy Clark — 6-3, 32 7/8
Gareon Conley — 6-0, 33
Treston Decoud — 6-2, 33
Rasul Douglas — 6-2, 32 3/8

Corn Elder — 5-11, 31 1/4
Justin Evans — 6-0, 32
Josh Harvey-Clemons — 6-4, 35 3/8
Delano Hill — 6-1, 32 1/8
Malik Hooker — 6-1, 33 1/4
Marlon Humphrey — 6-0, 32 1/4
Eddie Jackson — 6-0, 32 1/4
Rayshawn Jenkins — 6-1, 32 3/4

Lorenzo Jerome — 5-10, 30 5/8
Jadar Johnson — 6-0, 32
John Johnson — 6-0, 32 1/2
Josh Jones — 6-1, 32

Sidney Jones — 6-0, 31 1/2
Damontae Kazee — 5-10, 30 7/8
Desmond King — 5-10, 31 1/8
Kevin King — 6-3, 32
Ashton Lampkin — 6-0, 31
Brendan Langley — 6-0, 32 3/8
Marshon Lattimore — 6-0, 31 1/4
Jourdan Lewis — 5-10, 31 5/8
Shalom Luani — 5-11, 32
Marcus Maye — 6-0, 32 1/2
Obi Melifonwu — 6-4, 32 1/2

Fabian Moreau — 6-0, 31 3/8
Montae Nicholson — 6-2, 33 3/8
Channing Stribling — 6-1, 31 1/2
Cam Sutton — 5-11, 30
Teez Tabor — 6-0, 32 1/4
Cordrea Tankersley — 6-1, 32 1/4

Tedric Thompson — 6-0, 31 1/2
Marquez White — 6-0, 32 1/8
Tre’Davious White — 5-11, 32 1/8
Marcus Williams — 6-1, 32 1/2

Howard Wilson — 6-1, 31 3/8
Quincy Wilson — 6-1, 32 1/4
Ahkello Witherspoon — 6-3, 33


  1. peter

    Good day sir!

    Although Seattle isn’t expected to select a TE or WR perhaps anywhere in the draft depending on how some of organize our mocks, I still look forward to this group of workouts. There’s often a few players that go out and make themselves some money after lighting up the combine.

    And after the frankly kind of boring performance from a whole bunch of underperforming OL’ers and little new information on RB’s (which I think Seattle needs to seriously consider extra players, either draft or UDFA) I’m hope some dude has a Chris Conley style Combine today.

  2. JT

    Gareon Conley initial report – 6’0, 195 lbs, 33″ arms

    He gets the Round 1 stamp with that, and is a very possible Seahawks target at 26.

    • PDXBen

      With so MANY DBs in the seahawk mold I think we tap into the pool a bit later – maybe with our 2nd rd pick to insure we don’t miss out…

      • PDXBen

        Except for maybe King….Rob has got me excited about him at 6’3″ and some of the measurements he’s mentioned that came out of a Nike camp or something- can’t wait to see what he does in athletic drills

        • Greg Haugsven

          I agree Ben, seems like a better value later. Reddick or McKinley for me Rd 1

  3. Cove

    CB Gareon Conley

    6’/195 lbs
    33″ arms
    9 1/2″ hands

    Great measurements. Can’t wait to see how he tests.

  4. peter

    Where did you see those numbers posted are you watching live?

    • Rob Staton

      Charles Robinson on Twitter

      • peter

        Thanks sir

  5. JT

    Offensive Line targets have been updated according to Seahawks athletic thresholds on here:

    Only Garett Bolles & Nico Siragusa met all the athletic thresholds (33″ arms, 110 pSparq, 3.00 TEF).
    Taylor Moton & especially Forrest Lamp are very close to meeting all typical requirements, while a few others have a chance to as well with improved Pro Day #s.

    85% of PCJS draft picks meet all the respective athletic cut-offs listed in that doc.

    **Keep in mind that this doc simply narrows down likely Seahawk targets – it does not necessarily indicate that these athletes are the top players at their positions.

    • peter

      Under SS it has pounds listed but no pSparq number. Is there no common pSparq number to glean info from?

      Otherwise that’s a pretty cool spreadsheet.

      • JT

        The SS’s they’ve drafted/signed have been pretty un-athletic according to Zach Whitman’s pSparq, including Kam.
        SS & TE are the toughest positions to get a handle on, in terms of their athletic prototypes. WR as well, to an extent.

        Conversely, it should be really easy to narrow down OL, CB, RB. LB, EDGE, and nickel DT athletes.

        All the thresholds/cut-offs are based off the source data in the positional tabs on the doc.

  6. John_s

    Sidney Jones 71 7/8 wingspan in addition to 31 1/2 arm length.

    Quincy Wilson32 1/4 arm length
    Akello Witherspoon 33″
    Kevin King 32″
    Cordrea tankersley 32 1/4
    Eddie Jackson (S) 32 1/4

    • John_s

      Sorry just saw the update in your post

    • matt

      It’s cool to see so many CB’s pass the 32″ arm threshold.
      Conley, Decoud, Douglas, Humphrey, King, Tabor, Tankersley, Wilson, Witherspoon.

    • lil'stink

      Kevin King coming in at an even 200 lbs, almost 10 pounds over his listed playing weight. If his 40 and agility drills look good, he’s going to be hard to pass up.

  7. John_s

    Josh Harvey Clemons with insane measurements.

    #Louisville S Josh Harvey-Clemons measured 6-4 1/4, 217 pounds, 10 3/8 hands, 35 3/8 arms, 82 5/8 wingspan. #NFLCombine

    • Ukhawk

      Not a fan

      • Kenny Sloth

        Neither am I, but wow thats crazy length

    • Totem_Hawk

      I like this kid as a box safety, hybrid LB type..Alpha guy, was made to play single high safety which made for a ton of bad tape but if he can play a defined role and not test positive for weed like he did a few times in college he could be a beast!

  8. Dlep

    So many cbs w 32 in plus arms 🙂

  9. Naks

    I keep thinking, what if mccaffrey is drafted as more of a wr/returner rather than a rb. Then he becomes more of a harvin/Cobb/Tate style of guy who can line up in the back field or just has really good YAC skills

    • JT

      McCaffrey is a fantastic runner between the tackles, despite his lack of size. He has outstanding patience, vision, feet and wiggle. Typically 200 lbs RB’s aren’t workhorses in the NFL, but this kid is an exception to the rule. He’s too talented.

      His receiving ability is possibly his best trait – he’s the total package.

      • Naks

        If he’s durable enough as a between the tackles runner. I think he could be a star wr/returner that moonlights as a rb rather than a part time rb/3rd down back

    • BobbyK

      McCaffrey is a total stud. He could be a Pro Bowl RB on one team and could be a very good WR playing on a different team. That’s talent.

      I love Prosise because I see him as such a good running and receiver, but can’t shake all the injuries he had as a rookie. I normally give guys a pass with one season of injury if it’s a singular type injury, but that guy was hurt and kept out of action a bunch of times over with all kinds of different injuries. He’s a stud but not a guy you would feel comfortable “banking” on to be a major part of your offense week after week. I would have no major interest in McCaffrey if Prosise only had 1-2 of his injuries last season, but there is a part of my that hopes McCaffrey is our pick (that is with the assumption that a good veteran OL and a decent LB veteran of value is/was signed in FA, making our most obvious needs now less obvious on draft day).

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        IF SEA were to go offensive skill position with their first pick I would infinitely prefer Njoku to CMC.

      • AlaskaHawk

        I’ve been a big fan of McCaffrey also. His career will really depend on staying healthy (that same problem with Prosise). If McCaffrey stays healthy he would be a starter on any team. Remember how the Patriots were running the ball, and finally got their third running back in and he was catching passes out of the backfield and scoring. A guy like McCaffrey that can run and catch is invaluable. Also I’m a fan of the Pac 12 so I’m showing a little favoritism.

        As far as Njoku goes, I’m a fan of the pick, but I’m really not convinced that the Seahawks have EVER known how to use the tight ends. Even with Jimmy Graham there is just no consistency to his use. Yes he has a few good games, and then they go away from him. So I’m not sure how much value their is in that pick in the first couple rounds.

  10. Naks

    Kupp is not looking great so far- couple drops and a slow 40. Hopefully teams go by his numbers rather than his film and he drops, so we can get a gift in round 3.

    • matt

      Steve Smith just said that Kupp is his #1 WR in the class. Now he’s not a GM, but does know a thing or two about being a good WR.

      • Naks

        Ya, he had nothing but praise for him. But the other analysts talked about how many questions would surround him now with the slow 40. I’m a tape over numbers guy myself, but like you said he nor I am a gm

  11. Ed

    A. Witherspoon (6’2 3/4″) (198lbs) (9 7/8 hands) (33″ arms) (79 3/8″ wingspan)
    B. Allen (6’3 1/8″) (214lbs) (10″ hands) (34″ arms) (78 1/2″ wingspan)

    M. Hooker (10 3/4″ hands) those are some large paws

  12. McGruff

    We may not be in for a WR early . . . but two guys I want are Amare Darboh and Noah Brown. Darboh just ran a 4.46 at 6’2″, 214 pounds. Brown did not run but was measured at an impressive 6’2″, 222.

    Both are high point pass catchers and excellent blocker. Brown in particular just levels people.

    • Naks

      I thought krishawn hogan looked intriguing too. 6’3″ 222 lbs and ran a 4.56. Small school guy but nice size and looked like good hands

  13. McGruff

    And Zay Jones is sooooo smooth.

    • Totem_Hawk

      Ya, that kid is going to be a star…

    • Trevor

      Love his game. Will end up being the best WR in this draft class likely.

  14. Overtime

    Pharaoh Brown of Oregon is having a good weigh in. 6-6, 255, with 10 3/8 hands, long 35 5/8 arms and still put up the BP 24 times. He was injured his junior year and lost a lot of production his senior year. He might be a late target for the Hawks or an UDFA if he gets overlooked in a deep TE class.

    • Trevor

      Definitely an interesting guy to keep an eye on. Has all the tools for sure.

      Did he not have some off field issues?

      • Overtime

        Yes. His girlfriend punched him out. No charges were filed against him. He also had a couple conflicts with teammates. He is a high strung, alpha dog. He nearly had his leg amputated after he was hurt. He came back from a lot. Very Seahawky, We need to know how he runs. He is probably off everyone’s board right now due to the leg injury.

  15. astraeus

    Chris Godwin looked so natural in drills. Effortlessly catches away from his body. Really nice hands.

  16. John_s

    John Ross 11’1″ broad

    • McGruff

      Ross with a 37 inch vertical.

  17. Trevor

    Adoree Jackson 33 1/8″ Arms. That is huge hope it keeps him on the Hawks radar.

    • Derron James

      I really did not expect it from a smaller guy!

    • McGruff

      I’m seeing Jackson listen at 31 3/8

    • Trevor

      Sorry misread it 31 3/8 so I guess we can cross him off.

      My two favorite DBs Howard Wilson and Adoree Jackson sub 32″ arms which sucks.

      • McGruff

        Big bummer on WIlson, who look like Sherman on the field with the way he plays and carries himself.

        Douglas makes the list though . .

        • Trevor

          Yep I am glad as he was the other guy that just that looks like a Hawks DB to me. Reminds of Maxi the way he battles with his hands.

        • Jww

          Where are you guys seeing the exact measurements and updated verticals, broad, etc..?

      • Del tre

        Its ok theres still Brian Allen, Akhello Witherspoon, and Kevin King. I also presume Douglas made the 32 inch cutoff too. I’d love to see the Hawks take King round 1 and Witherspoon in round 3, puts the average height atCB in nickel at 6’3

  18. Trevor

    Zay Jones and Chris Godwin really stood out from that first group of WR for me.

    • matt

      Big Godwin fan. Wish his arms were a bit longer. <32" probably takes him off the board. :/

      Jones is big time. The problem with Jones is we'd have to spend our first pick to get him.

  19. lil'stink

    Shalom Luani is now listed at 5’11”. And John Johnson now has 32″ arms.

  20. McGruff

    Kizer is by far the best looking QB here . . . very polished and poised. Looks like a day one starter to me.

    • matt

      QB is the most polarizing position this time of year. To me Kizer misses way too many passes. 12-11 as a starter at ND is not getting it done. Has the tools to be very good though. How great is it to know that the Hawks have Russell Wilson?!

  21. nichansen01

    I think you can almost pencil in Nico Siragusa as one of our third round picks. If he’s there…

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      I have to think he’s at or near the top of their list. Value meets need for him at the bottom of R3.

  22. McGruff

    Someone just hit 43.5 on the vertical. didn’t hear the name.

    • John Sor

      speedy Noil from tx am

    • Sea Mode

      Speedy Noil

  23. John Sor

    Speed Noil form Texas a&m

  24. Peanut

    With this QB group, could one make a point that the Rams maybe should have either waited a year for their trade, or taken Wentz?

    • McGruff

      I think its a decidedly below average QB class. Probably slighty better than last year, but not by much.

      • HawkTalker #1

        Better than last year, seriously?

        • McGruff

          Aside from Prescott and Wnetz, two guys I loved, it was a bad class. Setting Prescott aside, I’d put Wentz above Kizer and Watson and Trubisky, but those three guys would be better than anyone in last year’s class.

        • Del tre

          I don’t understand the QB analysis this year. Wattson is better than Wentz and Goff ever were in college, he has put up nearly 500 yards on the best defense in the country twice, he’s like a slightly taller Russell Wilson coming out of college with better stats, a smart mobile QB with a great arm. The best player out of last years QB class was 3rd round draft pick who basically went into a spread offense in Dallas (he should receive the exact same criticism as Wattson does, all the throws he makes are easy, my eyes role though because just like Wattson he can still throw downfield just fine). Seems to me that teams don’t even know what their doing when they try to evaluate QB’s. Taking Jared Goff 1st overall is worse than taking Jamarcus Webb. On the principle of Wattson only having lost like 2 games his entire college career he should be looked at more highly than Jared Goff.

          • Kenny Sloth

            He also caught a bunch of screen passes and other gadgety plays.

          • Ishmael

            He’s black.

            • Del tre

              God i hate it but its just like white linebackers, if theyre even OK they’ll basically be voted as an all pro, *cough cough Sean Lee cough cough*

              • Ishmael

                Yep, I don’t even know why people try to deny it at this point. Although Sean Lee is pretty good tbf. There’s such a huge body of evidence. If a white QB had put in the two performances against Alabama that Watson did do you honestly think there’s a chance he’d get out of the top three?

          • Steve Nelsen

            The QB analysis will change. Nobody was talking QBs 1-2 at last years’ combine. But, as the draft approaches, QB-needy teams start finding reasons to grade QBs higher. I could totally see QBs going 1-2 again this year:

    • BobbyK

      I think our first two picks are going to be instant starters. They usually are. The late third round guys are almost always developmental guys in year one who may have a small role. Rees and Vannett did not have major roles on the team last year. Prosise carved out a niche. That isn’t normal with our late third round picks.

      2010 – No 3rd round pick
      2011 – No pick in late third round (Moffitt = starter = early/mid 3rd round pick)
      2012 – No pick in late third round (Wilson = starter = early/mid 3rd round pick)
      2013 – Jordan Hill – developmental player as a rookie. No role of impact. Contributed year two.
      2014 – No 3rd round pick
      2015 – No pick in second half of third round (Lockett was an impact player who was an early 3rd round pick)
      2016 – Prosise, Vannett, Rees

      What that tells me along with Schneider being pumped about being able to trade comp. picks is that they will get their two starters (one being a CB), but they could very well take a couple of those comp. picks and move up into the early third round and get a third starter (like Wilson and Moffitt started as early third round picks, and Lockett made an impact in the third).

      They aren’t going to “bank” on a late third round pick making an impact in 2017. But they will trade up for a guy earlier in that round to get a third impact rookie player for the ’17 season, which means they could make one of their three “impact” picks a luxury pick.

      Again, nobody knows right now what’s going to happen in FA or via trade. If they were to do something out of left field, such as swing a Byron Maxwell trade – then we aren’t going to be clamoring for a first or second round pick on a CB. Although CB seems inevitable with an early round pick at present time. In that case, it’s more likely they draft a prospect late in the third like Jordan Hill, Vannett, or Rees and expect they develop for a year before making an impact in the NFL as sophomores.

      If they were to try to party like it’s 2013 and their two off-season splashes were signing Okung and trading for Maxwell, that definitely alters the first two rounds of the draft. There may even creep in a “luxary” pick in the first or second round. Christian McCaffrey? Or if they trade for an OL and sign a contributing LB they really like – that affects things, too. No probable OL or LB in the first two rounds (probable with a third rounder) with a CB being a probable first round pick and a potential BPA type guy in the second. Maybe an EDGE rusher who could/would help on third downs to keep rotations fresh?

      Lots of scenarios to play out and it’ll be fun to follow it… more so with this blog community.

      • BobbyK

        Before anyone gets technical, Wilson/Moffitt were not drafted in the second half of the third round. Technically, they were in the first half of the third round (more mid-third; just outside the top 10 in the round).

      • Nolan

        If we go luxury I’d rather have John Ross then mcaffery

        • BobbyK

          I’d rather go Fournette. But, like Ross, he won’t be there at #26. McCaffrey’s chances are higher that he’ll be there – though no guarantees.

  25. Ukhawk

    31 DBS with 32″+ arms. Luani is 32 with nearly 9.75 hands.

    43.5 was Noils #1 athlete recruit coming out of HS

    Ross killing it with 11.1 broad and 37″ vert

    • Ukhawk

      Think there was only 20 DBs with >32″ arms in ’16 combine

    • McGruff

      Noils is intriguing as a late round flyer/UDFA. Fast and can return, but a mount of bad decision in the drug addiction realm.

    • Ishmael

      Noil is a freakish, freakish, athlete. I hope the Hawks take a late round swing at him.

      • matt

        Talent is not the question with Noil. Is he a former jag that JS refers to as not wanting?

        • Ishmael

          Maybe? Hard to say from a distance, might be one of those guys who’s always been so physically talented that he’s never had to work as hard as others, and hasn’t developed his game as much as he should.

          There are only a handful of guys in the league who can move like he can, and that means he’s worth a serious look IMO.

  26. Ukhawk

    Sutton, Lattimore, Adoree, Thompson, Awuzie, Baker, Jones all 32″: Evans, Luani, Maye, White

    • Ukhawk

      Top guys listed were sub 32″
      Pleased Evans, Luani, Maye & White >32″

      • Ukhawk

        Hopefully won’t affect the inside DBs/nickel guys like a Sutton /Baker as much

      • Peanut

        Sidney Jones is still one of, maybe the best, CB in this pool.

      • McGruff

        Arm length is less important at safety for Seattle.

        • Kenny Sloth

          I don’t know if we can say that…

          They’re not going to cross off a scorching fast FS because of sub 32 arms, but they do value it as a trait a ton.

          • McGruff

            Considering sub- 32 inch arms is pretty much a disqualifier at CB, and we have numerous examples of safeties with sub 32 inch arms, I think “less important” is safe diction.

            • Kenny Sloth

              They like length. It is very important at every position imo.

              I don’t want to discount length, becauae they do draft guys like Winston.

            • Kenny Sloth

              I think this is actually unsafe diction

          • LLLOGOSSS

            Yes, but at which position? We only know that they chose Earl as a pure FS, to my recollection the only other safeties we’ve drafted have been SS’s or hybrids. Earl had <32" arms.

    • Ed

      Adoree was a little shorter than 32. 31 3/8 I think.

      • Derron James

        Good for Sutton, because he was listed around 29 at the senior bowl.

  27. Smitty1547

    Foster must have been trying to guarantee his spot on the Bengals

    • matt


  28. McGruff

    According to, the Seahawks met personally with Zach Banner . . .

    • Kenny Sloth

      Of course they did xD

      Udfa for me

      • McGruff

        I think so too. Lots of experience, enormous size, but his technique is a mess and his athleticism is pretty much non existent. Still, as a UDFA, his size alone gives you something to work with.

        • nichansen01

          Yup. Haleigh his size worth a look as an udfa.

      • Overtime

        He could be a UDFA practice squad guy. He needs a year in the weight room and on a diet. Gotta, cut out the cheese burgers with the super sized fries. He can move the pile on 3rd and 2 at the goal line.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Banner tipped the scales at 353, down from 361 at the Senior Bowl, a trend he hopes to continue as the draft approaches April 27-29.

      topic when he talks to NFL teams, a group that has included the Seahawks – he said Thursday he has spoken “a couple of times’’ to Seattle coaches.

      “They just say, ‘We’re going to find that weight,’’’ Banner said of his talks with NFL teams. “I performed at a top level in college playing 345, and I performed at a top level at 380. I don’t think college (weight) was an issue — I was really dominant and I was really happy about that. It’s just, we want to take away it being an issue in the league. There’s people who eat themselves out of the NFL, and that will not be me, plain and simple. And I explain that to coaches.”

      Banner says part of his past weight issues were due to being “a broke college kid that followed the rules.’’

      But since the end of USC’s season Banner has worked with a chef and nutritionist, which has helped to bring his weight down, which could also impact if NFL teams view him as a tackle — his preferred position — or potentially having to try guard, instead.

      “I see myself being around 345 by Pro Day (March 22),’’ Banner said. “And I see myself even being lower before the draft.’’

      -Via Condotta

    • Kenny Sloth

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      Zach Banner vows to solve weighty issue to improve NFL draft stock

      Originally published March 2, 2017 at 4:03 pm Updated March 2, 2017 at 4:30 pm

      USC offensive lineman Zach Banner talks about growing up in Tacoma at the NFL Combine Thursday.
      Zach Banner, a former star at Lakes High and USC, knows he needs to show NFL teams he can keep his weight in check.

      By Bob Condotta
      Seattle Times staff reporter
      INDIANAPOLIS — A lesson learned at USC that may have more to do with Zach Banner’s football future didn’t come on the field or in the classroom.

      Instead, as the former Lakes High star explained Thursday, he found out during his college years that “if me and you go get a burger, I’m going to gain five pounds and you’re not.’’

      It took a while for Banner, an offensive tackle, to learn the value of nutrition, though, and he played for the Trojans weighing as much as 380 pounds.

      This week at the NFL Combine, however, Banner tipped the scales at 353, down from 361 at the Senior Bowl, a trend he hopes to continue as the draft approaches April 27-29.

      How successful he is in that effort could go a long way toward determining if Banner can escape what appears to be his current draft fate of being considered likely to be taken on the third day, or in rounds 4-7.

      Banner says his weight is a common topic when he talks to NFL teams, a group that has included the Seahawks – he said Thursday he has spoken “a couple of times’’ to Seattle coaches.

      “They just say, ‘We’re going to find that weight,’’’ Banner said of his talks with NFL teams. “I performed at a top level in college playing 345, and I performed at a top level at 380. I don’t think college (weight) was an issue — I was really dominant and I was really happy about that. It’s just, we want to take away it being an issue in the league. There’s people who eat themselves out of the NFL, and that will not be me, plain and simple. And I explain that to coaches.”


      Banner says part of his past weight issues were due to being “a broke college kid that followed the rules.’’

      But since the end of USC’s season Banner has worked with a chef and nutritionist, which has helped to bring his weight down, which could also impact if NFL teams view him as a tackle — his preferred position — or potentially having to try guard, instead.

      “I see myself being around 345 by Pro Day (March 22),’’ Banner said. “And I see myself even being lower before the draft.’’

      If that all comes to fruition, Banner could be an intriguing mid-to-late round option for the Seahawks, especially considering his ties with some of the team’s coaches.

      As Banner recalled Thursday, he got what he said was his third college scholarship offer from USC as a freshman at Lakes High when Pete Carroll was still the coach of the Trojans (Seahawks assistant offensive line coach Pat Ruel was also then with the Trojans as offensive line coach). Those were relationships rekindled this week when he met with Seattle coaches at the Combine.

      “It’s kind of awesome meeting with those guys and talking to them,” Banner said.

      Banner said what one would only expect when asked about the prospect of playing for the Seahawks. “Back home, heck yeah, it’d be great,’’ he said.

      -Via Condotta

      • Kenny Sloth

        Aw my bad

        Pete Carroll recruited him

    • Kenny Sloth

      Things hardly went as planned at USC, though, as Lane Kiffin was fired early in Banner’s second year. The UW coach he spurned to attend USC — Steve Sarkisian — then took over in 2014 only to be fired early in the 2015 season due to alcohol-ruled issues.

      At least Banner got a happy sendoff with USC’s late-season surge in 2016 and a Rose Bowl championship, and Banner says he has no regrets about leaving home five years ago.

      “If I had a chance to change my school, I wouldn’t do it, 10 times out of 10, 100 times out of 100,’’ he said.

      In fact, Banner says he tells NFL teams that all the upheaval he experienced at USC has prepared him well for pro football while also creating a situation in which he has lots of room to, well, grow.

      “The things that USC has done has gotten me ready for the NFL,’’ he said. “If somebody’s fired, I’ve had four different head coaches, I’ve had five different offensive line coaches.

      “. … I tell them plain and simple like ‘hey, I want an offensive line coach that can teach me year after year and that can coach me.’ I haven’t been able to find myself. So not only am I trying to find my weight where I want to be but I also want to master my technique, which to me I haven’t even touched where my potential could be.’’

  29. Kenny Sloth

    KD Cannon, Zay Jones, Chris Godwin, Stacey Coley, Amba Etta-Tawo, Jehu Chesson, Amara Darboh all cracked 4.4 so far.

    Chesson 4.47 at 6’3 204
    Quincy Adeboyajo 4.42 at 6’3 197
    Zay Jones with deep nfl bloodlines 6’2 201; 4.45

  30. Kenny Sloth

    Marquez White 2 year starter at Florida St. One of the least targeted CBs in the nation both years. Same conference as Trubisky, Watson, Jackson.

    6’0, 194, 32 1/8″ arms, 10″ HANDS!

  31. Darth12er

    On a side story, just got off the phone with my mom. She just listened to a talk from the lady who took in Garrett Bolles. It’s an awful lot like the blind side with Oher. He had druggy parents who kept getting evicted. He had bad friends and was constantly in trouble with the law. Her and 3 other ladies helped him from junior high (middle school? Idk anymore) through high school. Finally after he graduated his family kicked him out. She and her husband took him in under pretty strict rules, (like dump your bad friends). He later ended up preparing himself to go on a Mormon mission. He came home early and said he wanted to play football. Because of his bad grades they went to byu for some practice or training (she was unclear there), but from that he got a full ride from snow. Later transferred to Utah. Pretty cool story. Now he’s going to be a top 15 pick. He said the only person he’s ever been afraid of was this tiny lady, kinda funny.

    • matt

      Cool story Darth12er!

  32. John Sor

    John Ross 4.22!!!!

  33. Derron James


  34. John_s

    John Ross 4.22!!

    • Totem_Hawk

      He just put himself in the top 15 for sure..maybe top 10

      • BobbyK

        Now we’ve got 18 players who will be drafted in the top 10. 🙂

    • JT

      and pulled up lame at the end of it…

      He is not human

    • Darth12er

      Did that break the record? Does he get an island 🌴?

      • Kenny Sloth

        I think thats just for fans

      • John_s

        Apparently he has to do it in adidas

      • teejmo

        Wrong shoes

        • Kenny Sloth

          It’s actually just fans at the fan combine experience in adidas shoes

    • Derron James

      Curtis Samuel ran great too

      • John_s

        Yes he did. Impressive!

      • McGruff

        Samuel is an intriguing prospect to me for Seattle. Plays WR and RB. No one is Percy, but Samuel has done the kinds of things that Percy did.

        • Kenny Sloth

          Imagine flipping your play and switching Samuel and Prosise from RB to WO

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Samuel is a dangerous player in space.

        V12 and I were contemplating how he’d look for SEA during the UM-tOSU game last season.

        Njoku is my favorite “remotely possible” skill position prospect, but Samuel runs a close second.

        • Sea Mode

          Yup. Samuel is Percy with toughness and without the headaches. He ran 4.31 vs. Percy’s 4.41 despite being 8 lbs heavier than Percy. That’s elite speed.

          Hard to fit him in our draft picture, as you mention. I, for one, will definitely be trying different ways to land him in mocks during the upcoming weeks.

  35. Steve Nelsen

    The Seahawks don’t save a ton of money if they cut Kearse. But, after a disappointing 2017 season, I athink JS almost certainly adds a potential Kearse replacement a year early; someone 6-2+ who is a willing run blocker and ST.

    • McGruff

      Darboh and Noah Brown would both be upgrades at giving the Seahawks what Kearse gives.

      But it depends on what they think of Tanner McEvoy going forward.

  36. Matt

    Umm…John Ross…

    I mean…if he’s there at 26, how in the hell do the Seahawks not pull the trigger? That’s absurd.

    • C-Dog

      It would difficult to imagine them passing up on that kinda athlete. I think he might have just ran himself into the top 15, tho. Can’t teach that kind of speed.

      • CHawk Talker Eric


  37. ZHawk

    John Ross may have just broken the 40 yard dash record…

    • Derron James

      He did

  38. teejmo

    So Ross just ran an unofficial 4.22… with cramps from the beginning…

  39. Kenny Sloth

    Hey guys, have you seen this kid from UW; Ross? He’s pretty speedy

    • Derron James

      🔥🔥🔥 no wonder he blew adoree away

      • Ehurd1021

        He beat Adoree on one play; he slipped too lol. Adoree locked Ross down all game long after that point.

        • Kenny Sloth

          Not true at all.

          Adoree Jackson admitted he got his ankles broke. “It happens haha”

          Jackson caught 2 lame duck interceptions impressively, but could not keep up with Ross when he was covering him.

          • Ehurd1021

            Adoree got beat one; which he clearly slipped at the line. Ross was checked the entire game and really didn’t do much after that point.

            • Kenny Sloth

              Browning was about 7/8 115 yards and a TD going to Ross.

              Ross looks amazing on Jackson’s tape.

              (Oregon fan, jfyi)

  40. Ishmael

    😶 John Ross…

    And this is a slow track, holy shit. How high does this push him? First WR taken?

  41. Ishmael

    Just watched it again, what really helps him is that he actually runs in a very technically correct way. Most of these guys aren’t ever taught how to run properly, but sometimes done some work with him. Incredible stuff though, just insane speed.

    • Kenny Sloth

      D O U G B A L D W I N

      • Kenny Sloth

        D Ø Ū G Î Ë F R É $ H

  42. Totem_Hawk

    Now they said it was hand timed? I didn’t see a electronic time when he ran…dont think that time will be official…perhaps a little TV drama manufacturered by NFL network?

    • MSL

      The times shown while running are never the official laser times. You don’t think they had the timers going when he ran?

      • Totem_Hawk

        Every other guy who ran had the electronic timer shown as he ran, Ross was the only guy they didnt show it when he ran…weird

        • MSL

          My guess is it’s just a broadcast screwup. Those times normally shown are still unofficial and not the laser timers as far as I know.

          • Totem_Hawk

            Yes, i know its unofficial…either way its a great time…top 15 pick for sure now

  43. Daniel Bryan


    I applaud you on your work to refine and improve TEF this year.

    With that said wTEF is flawed. It’s a small but I think important distinction. The bench press number should not give greater value to someone who is heavier. It should have the inverse relationship. I think we can all agree 35 reps for some who is 330lb and yoked is impressive but shouldn’t the 250lb guy get more credit for repping 35 on the bench?

    The adjusted bench score would be even more useful if it took into account arm length as those with longer arms have a more difficult time bench pressing.

    • Sea Mode

      Please see Rob’s and Cysco’s detailed response on this in comments from the other day:

      My bottom line conlusion is that TEF and wTEF work anyway to put the guys on our radar that Seattle might be interested in. The rest after that is up to us to take into account things like arm length, grit, toughness and play on tape. The formula isn’t meant to tell us perfectly who the best prospects are (which is, of course, impossible anyway), it is meant just to turn our attention to the right group of guys for further evaluation.

  44. Trevor

    Curtis Samuel reminds me a lot of Percy Harvin 2.0 hopefully without the migranes and baggage.

    • Volume12

      A little bit. He doesn’t have Percy’s explosion or COD. At least in pads he don’t.

      • Ishmael

        Nowhere near tbh. He’s shifty, but Percy was on another level. Hard to think of anyone who had his explosion and COD in the last few years, maybe Tavon Austin but he doesn’t play with nearly as much pop.

        I’d still like to have a look at Samuel, could run some very fun two back sets with him and Prosise.

  45. Trevor

    Love Ross and the speed is insane but I would not touch a guy with his build and injury history in Rd #1. He is like a finely tuned race car when they are on it is incredible but they break down a lot.

    • matt

      Ross had the ACL tear, but I don’t recall anything else…
      If Philip Dorsett is a first rounder than Ross is a lock to go day 1. 4.22?!

      • BobbyK

        History is showing Philip Dorsett to be a bust, too.

        • matt


    • C-Dog

      I think Ross is a pretty tough guy for a speed guy. 5-11 190 is decent size.

      • Kenny Sloth

        He’s lightning fast in and out of his breaks.

        Special player.

        • Volume12

          His speed is special. He’s a P-Rich or ‘Smoke’ Brown at the next level.

          • John_s

            I see a little Joey Galloway

  46. MSL

    It’s official, 4.22 for Ross! Wow!

    • AlaskaHawk

      I was just reading that. He weighs 188 and posted a 4.22 40. that is sooo fast.
      John Ross

      • Volume12

        One team had him at 4.19

        • MSL

          Heard that! Nuts!

        • The Hawk is Howling

          I knew he had a chance Vol! Best wishes to John Ross in the NFL!

  47. Hawthornehawk

    Watch the last 15 second of this Joe Williams highlight video: does that remind you of anyone? And that’s at the end of a 200 yard day with the flu..

  48. Kenny Sloth

    USC OL gave up 12 sacks in 13 games.

    The Hawks have looked at oversized OL before. Might take longer to go around a bigger guy if we’re barely getting in the path anyway

    • BobbyK

      “Might take longer to go around a bigger guy if we’re barely getting in the path anyway.” lol

  49. icb12

    Chesson is the WR I want out of this class.

    • Kenny Sloth

      I want John Ross now!

    • Sea Mode

      People on this blog have been right to be banging the table for Chesson all year. Good call.

  50. Volume12

    Thank god Jackson had sub 32″ arms. Love his character, not his game.

    Budda came in small. Not shocking.

    John Ross can fly! Damn.

    • Sea Mode

      Sidney Jones missed the mark at 31.5, as well as Lattimore with 31.25. Of course, they will still be good for someone.

      On the bright side, Tre’davius White at 5110, 192, 32 1/8 arm jumps back in the conversation!

      So Budda will be considered only as a FS. Pauline wrote the other day that the more he watched Budda, the more he kept thinking of Earl Thomas.

      Tedric Thompson also still in consideration at FS.

      Earl T.: 5010, 208, 31 1/4 arm
      Budda: 5095, 195, 30 5/8 arm
      Tedric: 6000, 204, 31 1/2 arm

      • Ukhawk

        IMO Jones needs only 24″ arms as he’s in every WR’s back pocket

  51. Volume12

    So does John Ross get his island or not?

    • Ed

      Don’t think he was wearing Adidas.

      • Volume12


    • Kenny Sloth

      It’s only for fans wearing adidas

      Some kid ran a 4.68 i think

      • Volume12

        I was just thinking. Smart that he wore Nike. Nike will do more and make more for this guy than any $1 mil island ever could.

        • Kenny Sloth

          I know! And there are a bunch of crazy stipulations in there contractual obligations bs

  52. Sea Mode

    Can’t believe Victor Bolden only ran a 4.54. He is waaay faster than that on tape. Pro day will be telling.

    • Volume12

      Hand timed?

      Trust the hand times not this electronic garbage.

      • Sea Mode

        IDK, do you have an alternate source that gives you the hand times instead of

        I meant more that I’m surprised/disappointed in his performance, not that I would have a discrepancy with the listed time. (if that wasn’t clear from the way I said it) Like he didn’t prep well enough for the drill to show his real speed.

        • Volume12

          Most of these teams are hand timing these guys. They don’t go of the electronic time.

          What I meant was, trust the hand times when or if they’re available.

  53. Volume12

    Anyone else concerned about Jon Allen? Kid has arthritis in both shoulders.

    • Sea Mode

      Not particularly concerned. Should I be?

      The real value are the 4-5 cheap years anyway, in which it shouldn’t affect him much, right?

      • Volume12

        I would. Arthritis don’t get better. It only gets worse and quickly too.

        • Ishmael

          Depends how much it affects him. These guys are all loaded on cortisone anyway, a couple more jabs won’t make too much difference I wouldn’t have thought.

    • Trevor

      Seems like alot of the kids coming out of Alabama have injury issues.

      Hope it does not affect his career but you have to think it will.

  54. icb12

    The Titans have got to be looking at Ross at 8 right?
    They have reportedly been shopping for speed.

    And they can still upgrade S or CB later in the 1st.

    • icb12

      5 Not 8. sheesh.

      • Ed

        They need to much D help. Maybe with their second 1st rd pick, but they would be smart to go CB or S. Ross has great speed, but geez he gets dinged a lot.

  55. astraeus

    TE Bucky Hodges 39″ vert and 11’2″ broad at 6’7″ 245. Freak.

    • Volume12

      This WR class just proved his much better they are than everyone thought. Athletes man.

      TE class is even better.

      • Volume12


    • Trevor

      Those are sick #s

      • Volume12

        Broke the record.

    • Ishmael

      Unreal. What range are people talking about for him?

  56. Volume12

    This Mitch Trubisky doesn’t have enough tape is the worst. What more do you need? If a scout can’t make a conclusion off 13 games, then he probably shouldn’t be scouting.

    • Ishmael

      I take the point, but that’s still a tiny, tiny, sample size.

      So hard to know how he deals with adversity, how he’d be affected by teams having an entire offseason to watch his tape etc. etc.

    • McGruff

      Studies have been done and 1 year college starters have a monumentally bad record in the NFL.

  57. JimQ

    WR-Robert Davis, 6-3/219, 4.44/40, 19-reps***, 41.0-Vert”***, 136″-Broad***
    ***= Top marks for WR, so far, this kid is killing the tests.

    Might be a guy to keep in mind as a later round developmental guy with extreme physical abilities. I think PC/JS would love a tall, fast WR like this on the cheap.

  58. Trevor

    After watching Deshawn Watson in the National Championship and again today how can there be any question about who the #1 QB is? Any team that passes on him for another QB will regret it for a long time.

  59. Volume12

    How about the best sleeper WR in this class? Tennessee WR Josh Malone. Grab them 💰!

    4.41 40, 6’2, 208 lbs.

    • Sea Mode

      So many athletes! We need to go back to the tape and see which of them can catch the rock.

      • Volume12

        I’ve been high on this guy for awhile now.

    • Volume12

      Tall, strong, explosive, former 5 star recruit. 34% of his cataches went for 20+ yards.

      • Volume12

        I know Seattle has scouted Tennessee a lot this year.

        Befell was front row for these QBs. Watch them grab Josh Dobbs in UDFA.

        • Volume12

          * Bevell

  60. nichansen01

    Here’s my mock for the Seahawks (entire draft)

    26: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State

    Measuring in with 33 arms, great tape and college production at Ohio State, this may be the ideal candidate to compete with Desir Lane and Elliot for the starting right corner job. In this scenario, Reddick and Cunningham are both off the board at 26.

    58: Tyus Bowser, LB/DE, Houston

    A little bit raw. That’s why he will be available at 58. Tyus Bowser has similar physical measurements to Bruce Irvin and appears to be the perfect candidate to start at SAM, while also providing another pass rusher coming off the edge in sub packages. Also athletic enough to give KJ support at WILL. Ideal pick that fits a huge need for this defense and also comes with enormous value at the end of the second.

    90. Justin Evans, S, Texas A&M

    This would be a real steal if Justin Evans quietly slips to the bottom of round 3. Evans would be drafted as a backup safety, but could also play as the big nickel we have discussed on this blog. Passionate player and a hard hitter, physical profile (short arms) could drop Evans to 90, but the Seahawks wouldn’t be able to pass this up.

    102. Nico Siragusa, OG, San Diego State

    This is the O-line pick Seattle waits for. Scheider publically stated that he wants to add a veteran presence on the o-line, so a high pick is unlikely. The Seahawks need backup guards, and the massive and athletic Siragusa’s TEF score and physical measurable (6-5, 330 lbs) makes him truly ideal for that function. Asiata would also be ideal here but in this projection he goes early third. Siragusa is also an excellent locker room presence, something important for a player being drafted as a backup.

    106. Eddie Vanderdoes, DT, UCLA

    The Seahawks still haven’t found the pocket-collapsing interior presence yet on the defensive line. Thy could find it here. Vanderdoes falls because injuries have set him back, but Seattle has never been afraid of injuries. Vanderdoes has the strength and size to fight double teams, bullrush, and is athletic enough to preform other pass rush moves. His stats are misleading to his ability level. He fought back from an acl and this shows grit. This pick could be a steal for the Seahawks.

    210. Darrell Daniels, TE, Washington

    With Luke Willson possibly leaving in free agency, this pick makes a lot of sense. Darrell Daniels is a very fast tight end with long arms and huge hands. He has major pass catching upside, and can block also. So why on earth is he available at the end of the 6th? He can’t run routes, at all. The Seahawks will have to work with him, but this guy has the potential to be willson 2.0.

    226. Stevie Tuikolovatu, Dat, USC

    Long arms. High character. May be an older prospect, but was an anchor for the USC defensive line. Seahawks have shown interest. Unlikely to have any pass rush potential, but similar to Jarran Reed, was never really asked to do so.

    • AlaskaHawk

      That’s an interesting draft with cornerback first and then linebacker. I like it all down to 210. Much as I love the PAC 12 I think they need another wide receiver worse than a tight end. Who is available at that spot? Any other west coast names?

      Also this leaves the RB position as UDFA, I’ll throw Colemans name out there as a short yardage guy and possible fullback.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Interesting Nich, would you rather have Conley/Bowser or Reddick/King or Douglas?

  61. Volume12

    UW TE Darrell Daniels with a 4.56. Nice.

    • Volume12

      Engram with a 4.43. Whoa.

  62. Dlep

    Engram whew

    • Volume12

      OJ Howard is the best TE to enter the draft in a long time. What he did? My goodness man.

      • Trevor

        I agree Vol the best all around TE to come out since I have followed the draft. Top 10 lock IMO.

        • Volume12

          4.51 at his weight? Insane.

          • nichansen01

            Weighs more than fournette, but a better 40 time. As a tight end. Insane.

  63. Aaron

    I’m pretty bummed about Budda’s measurables. Guess if he is picked by the Hawks it’ll be as a FS2 behind Earl and not a S/CB hybrid like the Honey Badger. I don’t expect them to use a first round pick on a backup FS though. Still tons of options when it comes to CBs and safeties. Gotta think if Kevin King tears up this combine he’s going to be a first rounder, and I would jump for joy if we got him.

    On a different subject, DE question for y’all. Since the Hawks have Bennett and Clark who are similar types of players, should the Hawks look for a LEO this draft to pair with Avril? Is Marsh that guy now? Any real LEOs out there?

    • Volume12

      He’s not at the combine, but I highly recommend Arkansas St Chris Odom.

      • Kenny Sloth


      • Aaron

        Thanks Vol 12! Guy looks like an Avril clone. I know he faced small schools but he looks like he has tremendous upside. Could be a late round or UDFA steal.

        • Volume12

          Yup. Hope they target him as an UDFA. Right now, I got him in a mock I’m putting together as an UDFA. I always include 4-5 of them.

    • Ukhawk

      I love it, Hopefully Baker is available at 52

  64. Ukhawk

    OMG. The TEs are faster than the RBs. Hodges is the freakiest

    • Volume12

      Bucky is a freak, but what is he at the next level?

  65. MSL

    David Njoku at 4.70. Not as fast as people were expecting right?

    • Derron James

      That’s right, I didn’t think he was a 4.4 like other rookie but I thought he was more of a 4.6.

      • Derron James

        People not rookie lol

  66. Volume12

    Njoku has shown me today and in his tape, he’s a jump ball specialist. Not a TE that’s gonna explode off the LOS, inline, or get downfield in a hurry.

  67. Trevor

    Rob was on Engram a lot early. After watching Senior Bowl and then the speed today I can see why!

    With the quality of this TE group we almost have to take one this draft don’t we.

    • Volume12

      That George Little cat from Iowa? 4.56 speed and the best blocking TE in the country? That might be our guy.

      • Volume12


      • Ukhawk

        I was thinking that or maybe Jake Butt who reminds so much Miller

  68. Vista

    Did anyone see that Reuban Foster was dismissed from the Combine. He got into a fight with a hospital employee and tried pulling the “do you know who I am” card.

    • Smitty1547

      Trying to nail down that Bengal pick

  69. Coleslaw

    Engram should be considered at 26 IMO. I didn’t expect that.. Graham is one good year away from leaving for big money, we could suddenly be left with Vannett, Williams and Willson. I want nothing to do with that, Engram would give our offense a really dynamic 1-2 punch at TE that we’ve discussed previously. And he could replace Graham if we don’t want to or can’t pay Graham.

    • Volume12

      There was just the, ‘Seattle won’t take a corner early because of the guys on the PS or signed to future deals.’

      Well why doesn’t that apply to the TEs? All the guys signed to a future deal or on the PS are built like Evan Engram.

      Now, I’m not disagreeing with you in the slightest because all those guys at corner & TE are long shots anyways, but I found that a bit ironic.

      • Coleslaw

        I’ve always said they should take a corner early, I was one of the first people here to bang the drum on it.. it does apply to TEs as it applies to every position but an influx of elite talent/ attributes is what we go for in the first round and you can’t say Williams, Vannett or Willson present anything near what Engram just did. Willson is close but he hasn’t done anything and regressed to his worst year last year and isn’t even signed. What TE do we have on the PS that could line up wide and play the ‘big WR’ role like Engram could?
        Noooo body

        • Volume12

          ‘Now, I’m not disagreeing with you in the slightest.’

        • Kenny Sloth

          Jimmy Graham?

          • Coleslaw

            If Graham has the same year he had in 2016 we will not be able to afford him.

            • Rawls1234

              I’m guessing a 31 year old tight end, who had one of the worst injuries in football, won’t be getting much more in the open market than he’s getting right now.

            • EranUngar

              Why not?

              He makes 10M in 2017 and the franchise tag for TEs is 9.8M.

              • Rob Staton

                The franchise tag for TE’s this year ($9.8m) is less than Graham’s 2017 salary.

                They can easily tag him in a years time and retain him on virtually his existing salary for another year.

  70. VancouverHawks

    I don’t care what anybody says, Adoree Jackson is the best Corner in the draft. I have watched every game of his since his freshman year, he is special. He covers well in man but he could still use some work(at 21 with his character he will still develop and get better). He also a way better tackler than he gets credit for. We all know what he can do in the return game. I pray that he doesn’t get drafted into the division.

  71. Volume12

    George Kittle, TE, Iowa: 4.53 40, 11’0″ broad jump, 35″ very and that broad jump? 3rd best since 2006. Best blocking TE in the country. Dude is all heart, grit, and hard working.

    If Seattle wants to get back to being the bully again, this might be the guy. Comes from the BIG 10 conference where they play hard nosed, physical, big boy football.

    • Volume12

      Look at this kid! Daddy was an O-lineman for Iowa.

      • Volume12

        This is my new draft crush ya’ll.

        • Spirite Seahawk

          Where is he predicted to go? Any chance it could be any on our 3rd rounders?

          • Volume12

            Absolutely. If they wanted too. I think you could get this guy in round 5. They don’t have a 5th, but doesn’t mean they won’t trade back or trade up at some point.

    • Dlep

      Hope he’s on the radar those are insane numbers

      • Volume12

        I got ’em scouting Iowa twice this year. Could be more. Whether he is or isn’t, I hope he is as well, they know who he is.

        • Volume12

          He’s the only 1 who has looked good in the blocking drill too.

          • nichansen01

            No way he’s around in the bottom of the 6th. Would need to be a third rounder which I’m ok with.

          • Volume12

            Flawless gauntlet drill too. Was so in control.

            • Volume12

              2nd run not so much.

    • MSL

      Nice! I wouldn’t mind the Hawks snagging a TE in the draft, but hopefully this rare athletic TE class causes an early run on TE’s and pushes more good players down!

    • MSL

      Not saying whether or not it’s that important, but just saw his hands measured 9 1/4″. That’s pretty small for a big dude! Just measured and mine are like 9 1/8″ and I’m 5’10” and would consider my hands small.

    • Trevor

      He looks like an ideal pick with one of our 3rd round picks. Way more athletic than I expected.

      • Volume12

        Possibly. That’s a bit rich.

        This TE class is loaded. There’s gonna be good options into day 3.

      • Trevor

        Yeah but we don’t pick in the 4th or 5th currently.

    • CLB

      PFF has a good page on Kittle, although it was written before his senior season, hope he’s still available with one of our 3rds.

      • CLB

        Another more recent page on Kittle:

        Most sites have him as a 7th rounder to FA, maybe he worked himself higher on day 3 with the 4.5 time, possibly we can draft him with our 6th rounder. Wanted us to draft the other great blocker Rob has been talking about, Orndoff from Pitt on day 3, but he ran a very slow 4.8. Would rather have Kittle on day 3 since he’s also a great blocker and has Willson’s 4.5 speed, we’ll probably lose Luke in FA and need a replacement.

  72. nichansen01

    Njoku disappointed. But Howard Engram and Hodges are all INSANE.

    • Volume12

      Hodges is gonna struggle inline. He’s not gonna be matched up outside.

      Nice project pick though.

  73. nichansen01

    Little disappointed with Daniels 4.56.

    • MSL

      Man that’s fast for a big guy! How fast does a TE really need to be? There were plenty of WR’s running slower than that.

      • Volume12

        That was a very good time. It matched what the tape showed.

  74. nichansen01

    Let’s get this guy with a one of our thirds.

  75. Hawks22Fun

    IF Seattle is looking for a BIG WR, and we know they like sub 4.5 speed, I only see these options:

    Robert Davis 4.44, 6’3″, 219, 33″Arms,9 5/8″ hands, 41″ Vert 136″B

    Zay Jones 4.45, 6’2″, 201, 32.5″arms, 9″hands?, 36.5″V, 133″B

    Jehu Chesson 4.47,6’3″,204,33.25″arms,9 1/8″Hands?,35.5″V 132″B

    Amara Darboh 4.45,6’2″,214,32 5/8″arms,9 7/8″hands,36″V,124″B

    Chris Godwin 4.42,6’1″,209,36″arms,9 1/8″hands?,36″V,126″B

    Then Add the Hybrid TE/WR:
    Evan Engram 4.42,6’3″,234,33.5″arms,10″hands!,36″V,125″B

    Who would you like? What rounds will they likely go?

    Hard to figure out… Evan Engram in the 3rd would be serious!!!

    • Volume12

      Where was KD Cannon and Josh Malone?

      Engram just solidified himself as a mid 2nd rounder at worst.

      • Hawks22Fun

        Good catch on Malone Vol12…I missed him…

        Cannon is only 5’11″…I was starting at 6’2″ and up, with 1 6’1″guy thrown in…

        Evan Engram looks like a serious play maker!

        • Volume12

          Oh. Damn, for some reason I thought I saw Cannon at 6’1.

        • Hawks22Fun

          Who would you prefer Vol 12?

          WR? TE? or a HYBRID like Engram?

          • Volume12

            Great question.

            What round are we talking?

            • Hawks22Fun

              Let us divide it…is there a guy here worth our 2nd or a 3rd?

              Then what about in the 6/7th with what picks we have?

              Then mid level if we trade a 3rd for a 4 and 5?

              Evan Engram almost makes me want him at R2, but I want a R2 CB and/or LB more so…

              If we could get Robert Davis at the end of 3, I’m in!

              George Kittle like you mentioned, looked solid…4-5? yes!

              • Volume12

                I think Engram would most definitely be worth a 2nd if he was there.

    • Dlep

      Carlos Henderson?

    • LeoSharp

      Love the way Davis can high point the ball. He’s looking like a better athlete than Julio Jones. Crazy amounts of potential in that body.

  76. Sea Mode

    Engram should have just worked out with the WRs. He has perfect WR1 size/speed/vert/hands.

  77. Ukhawk

    Really hoping we use a 3rd to take a TE, deepest group in a long while

    • Sea Mode

      Pete loves his TEs. You can always bet on him grabbing another one if value is right.

      If Engram is gone by R2, Vol’s guy Kittle might be better value in R6 since we do already have Graham and Vannett.

      • LeoSharp

        Adam Shaheen also looks great. catchs the football really well, his broad jump was spectacular considering he’s 178lbs. He’s a legitimate in line blocker so definitely has a role on the team. Zach Miller was slower than him in the 40, so his speed shouldn’t be an issue.

  78. nichansen01

    How would you rank each positional group of this draft class?

    I think i would say:

    Tight End
    D-line (interior)

    • Volume12

      Agree 100%.

  79. Hawks22Fun

    The best way for Seattle to gain a 4th and 5th round pick is to trade with the Browns. They have 2 4’s and 2 5’s…

    Our Seattle picks ‘values'(arguable I know):
    R3-90 – 140 pts
    R3-C102 – 92(approximated)
    R3-C106 – 82(approximated)

    Browns 4’s and 5’s:
    R4-108 – 78 pts
    R4-C142 – 44 pts
    R5-145 – 33.5 pts
    R5-C181 – 27.4 pts

    So to me it looks most like trading one of our R3 COMP picks for the Browns late 4th COMP pick, and the early 5th Browns pick…

    The Browns get one more ‘quality’ player, and we get to make a 4th and 5th Round picks…

    Any Takers???

    • Dawgma

      It’ll be interesting to see how the tradeable comp picks changes things, yeah. What the the chances there’s someone there with that last third rounder you just HAVE to have, after getting to pick twice in the last half dozen or so picks already?

      Seems like an obvious trade back spot to me.

  80. Volume12

    Seattle is gonna draft a DT this year. Bank on it.

    ‘Bama’s Dalvin Tomlinson has met with them at the combine.

    • Sea Mode

      I still like Stevie T in the mid rounds, and even moreso when I saw he has 33 7/8 arms and 10 1/4 hands. I thought he was gonna be a short, stubby guy at 6010. Not so!

    • Sea Mode

      Also looking hard at FA. First Earl Mitchell, now Terrell McClain.

      • Kenny Sloth

        Competition, competition!!

    • Rob Staton

      I think they’ll draft a DT between rounds 3-7.

  81. Sea Mode

    I really like the player’s commentary, especially Greg Olsen. Adds a lot to the broadcast.

    • Trevor

      I agree. Olsen is going to have the networks lining up when he retires to hire him.

  82. Trevor

    Garrett Benched 33 with 35″+ arms. That is crazy.

    • Coleslaw

      Yeah that’s a freak. He looks like a brute from the sci-fi movies

  83. Greg Haugsven

    Takk McKinley, 250lbs, 34 7/8 in arms. I know there has been a lot of talk about Reddick playing the Leo/ Sam role but this guy would be my choice st 26 if he was there. I’ll bet he tears it up tomorrow which will put him out of reach.

    • Trevor

      I think if Reddick as more of a 3 down linebacker but Mckinley as more of a traditional LEO.

  84. Greg Haugsven

    Also Hella off topic but for those of you who are Sounders fans let’s welcome back the reigning champs. Defense starts tonight.

    • Kenny Sloth


      19 year old Pulisic just poked in another for BVB

      • Sea Mode

        That was a pretty little scoop pass to start the play off too.

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