This is a guest article by Curtis Allen…
Here comes a very interesting matchup for the Seahawks — and on Monday Night Football no less.
The Giants in many ways have been similar to the Seahawks in recent seasons. Both have been on a mission to rebuild their lines in the trenches, they have both had a challenge properly utilizing the talent they have with their scheme and both reside in that good-but-not-great tier of the NFC. They finished with nearly identical records and claimed a Wild Card spot last year.
It is no wonder that when they play, it is a hard-fought but ultimately frustrating experience for both sides. The Seahawks won last year on the strength of a reborn pass rush, containing Saquon Barkley and making less mistakes than the Giants did. The Giants won in 2021 by riding a tough defense, some explosive plays in the running game and the Seahawks took their turn making mistakes with some questionable play calls.
The similarities continue this year. Both teams are struggling with their young offensive tackles. Injuries have forced backups onto the field for both more than they’d like. Defense has been a real challenge so far for both (Seahawks are 29th in scoring defense and the Giants are a surprising 30th). Both have recorded wins this year by the skin of their teeth against poor teams playing better than they should be allowed to.
The biggest difference? Offense. Seattle has had their struggles in the run game and fully integrating new additions Jaxon Smith-Njigba and Jake Bobo — but they are still scoring at a very healthy pace and currently sit at fourth in the NFL in scoring offense. The Giants? They are 31st. A combination of injuries, poor offensive line play and an uncharacteristic bout of mistakes (penalties and turnovers) have them stuck in the mud.
30th on defense. 31st on offense. Banged up and there is a good chance their two best offensive players (All-Pro Left Tackle Andrew Thomas has been ruled out and Saquon Barkley is currently doubtful and a game-time decision) will not factor much in this game.
Just like last week, this is a trap game masquerading as an easy win for the Seahawks.
What can they do to go into their bye week with a win and some real momentum?
Own the Line of Scrimmage on Both Sides
I know how that sounds. The Seahawks have had struggles in the trenches for years and still have yet to fully overcome them and the Giants as an organization have always counted on that as a strength of their team. Yet there is a real opportunity here to control this game by winning where it really counts.
On defense, this Seahawks line is trending slightly upwards after their best performance of the year to date last week against Carolina. Before we get too excited about that, let’s temper things just a little bit.
They generated zero sacks and only three pressures Week One against the Rams. In Week Two, they improved with two sacks and ten pressures.
Last week, three sacks and another ten pressures. However, those numbers were generated in fifty-eight pass attempts by Andy Dalton and the Panthers — behind one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL.
Three sacks and 10 pressures only meant a 16% pressure rate on Andy Dalton. While Jarran Reed deserves every bit of credit for having a fantastically gritty game, the stats the pass rush unit as a group produced were at best ‘as expected’ when you consider the volume and quality of opportunities they were given. They cannot be satisfied. More is required. Much more.
Thankfully, this week they play what may be the real Worst Offensive Line in the NFL, particularly with Thomas out. Have a look at how the Giants’ projected starters are rated by PFF in pass protection so far this season:
Those numbers are subterranean. Evan Neal is a particular disappointment. PFF graded him a 28 in pass-blocking last year and so far this year he is not much better.
If there were ever a game where the Seahawks should be able to flex their muscle and put pressure on the quarterback without resorting to blitzes, stunts and other tricks, this would be it. Three sacks and ten pressures are a minimum expectation for this game. Particularly when you consider that Barkley either will not play, or will be hampered by injury.
Now on offense, this one might be even better news for the Seahawks.
What has traditionally been a stout Giants defensive line group has been absolutely dreadful this season. They have plenty of talent on the line but the results so far are disturbingly bad.
They have two sacks so far in three games. Two. Chicago was the only NFL team going into week four that is worse, with one.
What about pressure?
This one might be even more shocking. They are only generating 16.7% pressure after three games, good for 29th in the NFL. They were sixth overall last year in generating pressure.
What is worse? They are blitzing on a crazy 53% of snaps and still getting almost nothing. The drop in effectiveness is simply stunning.
Kayvon Thibodeaux has been particularly poor so far, with only a sack and two pressures in three games — good for a putrid 36.6 PFF grade.
It is no wonder their defense is so bad this year.
Yet they do have something to hang their hat on, like rushing defense, right? Nope. They are 28th in the NFL in rush defense, conceding an average of 138 rushing yards per game through three so far.
The run charts are fascinating. There is no pattern, no specific weak spot to attack. In Week One, Tony Pollard attacked the middle and the right side of the defense. Week Two saw James Connor with some stops behind the line in the middle but several explosives running around the edges. Last week, Christian McCaffrey had his way running up the gut and to the left side.
Oddly enough, PFF loves the performance of Leonard Williams (82.1) and Dexter Lawrence (91.0) in 2023, giving them near Franchise Player grades. How can they be performing so well on such a poor defense?
One of the keys is they simply have not generated any turnovers, which is obviously big. The more the defense is on the field, the bigger the chance for yards and points are.
Two other factors work heavily in the Seahawks’ favor and are most likely linked: The Giants are one of the worst tackling teams in the NFL at this point and their blitzes are getting burnt like toast. How badly? Seven different opposing offensive players have logged an explosive play against the Giants in each week so far this year. When you blitz, the players in the backfield need to cover their men and be sure tacklers.
Neither of those things have happened yet.
Giants Defensive Coordinator Wink Martindale held an ‘I’m OK, You’re OK’ press conference on the state of the defense this week and addressed a public challenge to the press (but really, his defense) in that he instructed them to chart all defensive tackles and see how many they miss.
Martindale characteristically said he saw no problems with his defenders’ effort against the Niners last week. Yet watching the game, you could see several times where George Kittle, Christian McCaffrey, Elijah Mitchell and Deebo Samuel played with a fire in their belly that was not there on the defensive side.
Players like Kenneth Walker, Zach Charbonnet and D.K. Metcalf need a similar fire to keep the problems for the Giants going.
But it starts up front. This might be an ideal game for a run-heavy approach. Get the Running Backs at least 30 carries, if not 40. Get them to the second level and let them break tackles. Let big bodies like Damien Lewis and Anthony Bradford lean on this defense and control the game.
Winning another game without their starting tackles – while maintaining good offensive play – will be a good day’s work for this coaching staff.
Related to this, another area the Seahawks need to win on both sides of the ball…
Win the Tight End Matchups
Another similarity with these two teams: They both employ high-quality tight ends and both defenses struggle to keep their opponent’s tight ends in check.
The Giants, needing another weapon for Daniel Jones, went out and traded for Darren Waller and his record-setting contract this offseason. With all due respect to Tyler Higbee, Sam LaPorta and Hayden Hurst, the Seahawks have yet to face a tight end of Waller’s caliber this year. His reach, size and route-running capability is a matchup nightmare.
The Seahawks have real difficulty defending tight ends. They are conceding a league-worst 14 yards per reception to tight ends. The league average is nine yards per catch.
You are well within your rights to argue that this is a very small sample size of only three games and you’d be correct. However, you should know that the Seahawks were also the worst team in the NFL in this category last year, conceding – you guessed it – a league-high 14 yards per reception to tight ends. It is an ongoing problem.
They need to find a way to either a) defend Waller (and to a lesser extend the underrated Daniel Bellinger) or b) pass rush Daniel Jones so effectively that he cannot target Waller.
It would not be a surprise to see the Seahawks employ someone like Devin Bush to cover Waller. He may not be ideal but he is far more capable than Jordyn Brooks and Bobby Wagner in pass coverage.
On the other side, the Seahawks have wisely employed all three of their tight ends with different responsibilities at different times this year. While they each have their strengths, they have worked toward becoming more complete players and that gives the Seahawks all kinds of options. This is particularly important because both Will Dissly and Noah Fant appeared on the injury report this week and are officially listed as questionable to play.
Colby Parkinson has been slowly developing into a player the Seahawks can employ in many different scenarios, not just in the passing game. He has made nice progress as a blocker in the run game and last week had some great ones.
Watch him line up next to the right tackle and just move Brian Burns completely out of the way on the goal line on Ken Walker’s touchdown run:
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They will need that kind of tough blocking in the run game if they want to assert their will on the Giants defense. With their tackles still out — and the Giants feasting on the blitz as much as they do — a blocking tight end is worth his weight in gold for this matchup.
How can they help this team in the passing game? We have long pointed to the correlation between defenses that blitz the most and defenses that are poor in defending tight ends.
The Giants fit the bill there. They are currently 28th in the NFL in yards per catch conceded to tight ends and 31st in passing yards conceded.
Teams are paper-cutting the Giant defense to death with throws to tight ends. They’re the perfect ‘get out of jail free card’ when a team blitzes as much as the Giants do. They can chip and release, or just read the blitz and switch to a hot route for their quarterback to dump the ball off to and get some yards after the catch.
The Seahawks will want to use them liberally on Monday to both counteract the blitz and attack this defense with shots.
Some Misc Notes
— Geno Smith’s processing and decision-making will need to be sharper this week than it was last week. Granted, he got dialed in after halftime but during the first half, when the Seahawks were settling for field goals and the game was less comfortable than it should have been, Geno was hesitant at times and wasted time in the pocket before making questionable throws. The Giants blitz packages will not allow for that. He has to come out of the tunnel ready to play. If that means a series or two that is run-heavy and features some short, deliberate passes to get in rhythm, so be it.
— Daniel Jones is on pace to match his rushing numbers from last year. With his shaky offensive line, it makes sense that he will be as mobile as he always is and with Barkley limited or out, maybe more. It might make sense to once again assign a player to spy on him. Just sit tight after the snap for half a beat, see where the holes are developing and then pursue Jones. Jordyn Brooks, Devin Bush, and Jamal Adams would be interesting candidates for the job.
— One thing I noticed in watching Giants highlights for the last three games, Jones is drawing unnecessary roughness penalties at the end of his runs at a pretty impressive rate. It feels like one of those ‘but the quarterback is no longer a quarterback once he leaves the pocket!’ rules that refs agree to in principle but are happy to throw the flag on the second tackler coming to help his teammate. The Seahawks need to be aware of this.
— The secondary enters an interesting condition Monday. Jamal Adams is back, Witherspoon and Woolen are on the field together again, Tre Brown and Artie Burns will not play and Coby Bryant is listed as questionable. This sounds problematic, figuring out how all these players will work together and get snaps. Particularly with the nickel spot a question mark, as well as implementing what plans the team has for Adams. At this stage of the season, I personally am at ‘it could not be worse than what they’re thrown out so far’ so I am open to new ideas, even unconventional ones. For instance, how about a package with Quandre Diggs at nickel – returning to his roots – with Julian Love patrolling deep and Jerrick Reed getting some time at safety? If the backfield does not improve – and quickly – I think all options should be on the table.
— Speaking of Adams, it is perfectly acceptable to marvel at the hard work, determination and pain it took to get back on the field this year and hope he has a fantastic impact this season. It is also perfectly acceptable to hold your breath every time he launches himself into a tackle.
*cough* Week 4 *cough*
I predict Pete will lose TWO challenges tonight.
They are in New York.
Great stuff as always.
Seahawks + Pete prime time record vs. Giants ( not good )….
I think fairly convincing win today. Talking heads can be excited about a top five offense come the quarter mark on the season. I actually expect the defense to look sharp tonight. Primarily because the Giants are fairly toothless right now.
Fairly necessary win tonight for Seattle before the bye. Get the almost gimme win against the Giants before heading into the deep woods of their schedule moving forward.
Re: the secondary. I keep hearing about this is “arguably,” the best secondary room in the league. Here’s an argument, it is not. With Woolen, Witherspoon, Adams, Diggs, and Love…let’s see it. I’m talking a sub 200 yards in the air, one lonely passing td.
I noticed at the bottom of the redzone ticker yesterday:
Seahawks are 5-0 at MetLife stadium
Daniel Jones is 0-6 on MNF
*knocks on wood
I’m more comfortable with this game than against the red rifle rides again.
* please don’t let this be famous last words*
Put down the Daisey Red Ryder B-B gun. You’ll put an eye out with that kid.
I know JSN is not a bust. Still firmly putting this on coaches. Especially when I see the guy who turned us down for homecoming being nearly perfect on his short and intermediate throws yesterday.
But….if his injury is effecting him why is he playing? And if it’s not why are we passing to him effectively at the line of scrimmage when that’s not his game? He’s not an elite athlete and he’s billed as a devastating technician.
I really don’t want to question at the end of the year if spending pick #20 on a guy we can’t utilize was the move.
First of all thank you cha.
My opinion on JSN in particular and on the O in general is that we should employ more surprise element. Put him at WR1 and place DK as a slot receiver. Throw in the 4th WR and no TE (if your Oliners can handle their own without help from an extra blocker), or whatever other weird combination. It’s your job as an OC to mess things up.
I mentioned this in another thread but given the use of TEs in the offense both from a production and a protection stand point, I feel like we will have to wait till the tackle positions are sorted until we see JSN break out
Possibly but I’m not totally buying that. It doesn’t explain why JSN and say Addison have near the same targets per game but JSN has massively lower depth of target numbers and as a corollary has very uninspiring yards per catch numbers.
14 targets: 57 yards. It’s about four yards per target. He’s not going to turn know the jets and become Deebo.
It actually makes complete sense. Different scheme’s, different personnel. He is providing more of an underneath target atm. It makes sense though, we have DK and Tyler who excel in the medium to deep passing game. Not many plays we run or concepts that we use currently are going to utilize all receivers running deep patters given the OL health.
Wait. So we’re talking around in circles now. We have a top 20 pick who excels at the short/ intermediate game and can catch in traffic as per his billing, but our concepts don’t include that….which then asks ( prematurely,) why the pick?
4 yards a target. That’s not really an effective concept unless the player is a plus level YAC machine who can turn on the jets.
If he’s going to be a six yard a catch player then he doesn’t divert, distract, or decoy for Metcalf and Lockett. A team with their brain turned on will say “obviously they are going deep and one of our ends or lb’s can just meet him near the LOS.” Or you plan on feeding him double to attempts to make him productive.
If he’s in it usually means no TE, and with the current OL if there is no TE Geno has to get the ball out ASAP.
What it boils down to is we aren’t using him deep . . . because Geno can’t let deep plays develop absent TE help.
A different take – – why do we care? As noted we’re 4th in scoring offense, and the past two weeks, the offense has looked like one of the better units in the NFC. If JSN is great, things will come, but it doesn’t totally surprise me that w so many weapons on offense, he’s not the first choice. And really, the last thing I want is to force targets to anyone, that always works out poorly for us.
And, to be clear, not a dig at all on JSN, I still have high hopes for him – but I’m just not sure this needs to be a storyline, unless and until the offense stops producing.
Exactly this. Let the big dogs eat and get the targets as long as they are producing.
They spent a top-20 pick on JSN
It’s not as simple as ‘well if the others are getting targets’
I hope this clears up what I am talking about. Because I am 100% talking about scheme and not JSN:
Rookie stats.
DK metcalf: 100 targets/58 catches. 900 yards
Lockett: 69 targets/ 51 catches. 664 yards
JSN: ( on pace stats) 79 targets/ 51 catches. 321 yards.
So he’s still completely in the ball park of where a rookie could and should be at per usage. It’s how they are using him that’s the problem.
Sure top scoring offense. As long as Jason Myers goes 5 for 5 and has a great day at the office.
Against Detroit I’d totally agree with you. Against the rams I’d disagree. Against Carolina I’d call it a push. Fifteen points from your kicker and 22 from everyone else is a good day. Not a great day.
Hey it probably doesn’t matter.
Like I’ve always maintained I don’t think this is on JSN.
My post as well is not really about JSN. It’s about if we can’t utilize him for whatever reason, I hope by the end of the year I won’t wonder if there was another player that would have made more sense.
You can’t really use any skill player without a decent OL.
Maybe there was a defender we could take, but you can’t really fault the team for not planning its future assuming both OT would miss time.
I don’t think JSN is for this year. I think he might be 1, safety net if DK/Lockett gets hurt 2, someone they’ll coach up and use more when Lockett is no longer with the team (in like 2 years or so).
It’s a luxury BPA pick, but sometimes BPA will be that. If some WRs will be out he can become a primary target, but with Lockett, DK, multiple TE sets, K9 running and catching, Charbonnet also he’s like 4th/5th in the “playcall depth chart”. I think they give him targets to get him accustomed to the NFL. Why short targets? Because you can’t send 3 WRs deep with this OL and if he’s not that fast or quick he won’t beat CBs easily without NFL level technique
Thanks much cha. As always, an excellent breakdown. I look for Adams to be trying to do way too much and running himself out of plays, arriving late to tackles, etc. In other words, the same performance we saw from him season before last. You’re 100% correct tho in that he deserves major props for the effort he put into rehabbing.
A reminder, Seattle has the all-time highest winning percentage on MNF at .700. Here’s hoping that increases after tonight.
I ask myself the same thing about Bobby Wagner every week
I suppose we may need to dust off Kyu Blu Kelly for backup reps at some point? Eager to see what he can do in limited snaps.
Also, Seahawks PR is REALLY leaning into Jamal’s return in their advertising of this prime time game. I certainly hope he can make a nice contribution but it seems a bit overzealous to give him the “returning All-Pro” treatment.
All-pro how many years ago WITH THE JETS?!
Very ‘seahawky’ to claim all-pro status for a players tenure elsewhere.
Under rated coverage skills, question mark.
Looking forward to the runway fashion shots this afternoon.
Alan, is that you?
Wouldn’t you like to know if my client plays right said Fred’s “I’m too sexy,” as their hype music.
Our safety play has been so spotty this year – that even w how out I was on Jamal before he got hurt = i’m actually sort of looking forward to seeing him out there, and seeing what can happen….
I kind of think he’s going to have a good game. Can’t question his want to with this recovery. Prime time game. Could be good.
Prepared for some hesitation because full practice and year off of taking hits are different things.
GeoffU,
Thanks for bringing up s2 from last draft in the previous thread.
Looks like that test is going to ride the Purdy coat tails as long as possible. Since Stroud is playing pretty well ( total dummy dummerton obviously….) and Bryce Young is out there 4d chess-ing his reads.
Play up the hits, ignore the misses, the playbook of any charlatan.
I think this could be a key factor. Notwithstanding your valid observation of Geno’s hesitancy during the 1st half last week, his use of the TEs in this manner overall has been very good this year. He has for the most part excelled in situations with rushers closing on him to find the outlet (often the TE).
Having said that, I feel like we’re gonna see heavy doses of Walker and Charbonnet to set up the play action Geno worked very well in the 2nd half vs the Panthers.
Interesting to see how JMS, one of the most coveted players by Seahawks fans (including myself) last draft, has struggled so badly. Big win for picking the best player available mentality.
I’d say it’s hard to judge after 3 games with such an awful cast surrounding him. I just point it out because this is something the Seahawks can and should take advantage of for this specific game.
And Olu Olu has only played 6 snaps in the NFL so far so the jury’s still out. Way out.
I read that as picking Charbonnet over Schmitz.
That is what I meant, but Cha is right that it’s way too early to judge anything. Was just an interesting thing to note.
The theme for today’s game is the “five-finger discount.” You can’t see it at this angle, but that is a Top Gun hat.
https://x.com/AlbertB55481266/status/1708927276908253266?s=20
Aka Down wit JPP
yeah you know mw
For those who don’t get the reference Jason Pierre Paul blew off a couple of his fingers with fireworks.
In the immortal words of Jean Pierre Paul Sartre, ‘Au revoir, fingers’.
And this is the song by Naughty by Nature.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idx3GSL2KWs
WR Cody Thompson and CB Lance Boykin are PS callups for tonight.
Good thing we stashed Jason Peters a couple weeks ago
Meh. Everyone else is free to nab him for their roster. No one has. If Stone and Jake had looked worse, Peters would probably get bumped to the 53. Peters stuck on the PS is a good sign, in my mind.
If he is truly mentoring Stone, Curhan and the backups and providing results, he’s worth every penny.
I swear, if Thompson gets more targets than Jaxon…..
He’s had 10 snaps in 3 games on offense. He’s mostly special teams.
With the first overall selection in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Derek Maye, quarterback, North Carolina.
It’s Drake Maye, not Derek
Does it matter?
“Bear Down” has a new meaning this season.
My favorite saying I’ve seen so far this year…. on paper bags worn by fans at the stadium during the Broncos game…. Un-Bear-Able
(I wonder if you could scoop up Chase Claypool for a song and dance right now)
his name is mud so it probably won’t cost more than a can or two of pork soda
Let the Bears pay the Bear Tax. I pay the Homer tax.
FYI I’ll be on VSiN Primetime at 4pm PT previewing the Seahawks/Giants game
My 2 cents or 2 pence on tonight’s game.
Defense) The Seahawks secondary will get tested early and often. Need more pressure out of the front line in this one. Play some 3 safety and 4 safety looks to try to match up with Giants TEs.
Offense) Keep feeding the TEs and keep running the 3 TE sets. Pass or rush out of them has been very effective so far in the young season. Fant and Parkinson have stepped up and need to be rewarded.
I’m a bit concerned now that the Giants are home dogs by almost 3 points. Go Hawks!
I’m ready for some freakin football already
I am making chicken wings with Laxmi Tandoori paste and just a drop of Dave’s Insanity Sauce Jalokia Ghost Pepper Private Reserve.
Tater Swift
https://twitter.com/JordanRaanan/status/1708957538664755621
I don’t know why everyone is obsessed with Taylor Swift’s tight end.
Alan obviously not dressing him
SLO MOTION CATWALK
https://twitter.com/Seahawks/status/1708976356199993412
Looks like Ray Stantz chose the form of the Destructor again….
yep, he’s looking a little heavy.
BTW, Peyton Manning said this morning that Will Ferrell will be on the Manning Cast tonight. He hinted that he might be appearing as Ron Burgundy.
Is it too much to ask for a safety who is just sexy enough for their hat, shirt, cat, and the following places…Milan, New York, and japan.
…Albuquerque.
Go Lobos!
If I never saw a Seahawks player walking into a stadium ever again, I would die a happy man
No kidding
Saquon Barkley ruled out tonight.
…take what you can get
Two draft prospects I have been watching pre-MNF have me excited
Notes coming this week
Harvard DT Thor Griffith?
He’s on the Senior Bowl watch list.
Prediction: Woolen & Witherspoon show out tonight, and give reason for optimism on D
I predict this strawberry margarita will be great with these tandoori wings.
Let’s do this thing!!
It only took two plays for the peacock to miss a tackle.
That’s not how Wyman called it😀
And that was as predictable as the sun rising in the Eastern part of the sky
Adams with the whiff
Better there
You’ve got to be kidding me
Lead with the head, knee to the head.
What the heck kind of tackle attemp was that
Holy shit. It begins…..
Hurt again
so shocking
can’t make this up people.
Glad it is over early
Who had Adams down for 8 plays or so
Really hurt again
No way
Good grief
Something, something, Tarzan, Jane….
Didn’t even last a quarter. SMFH
That was fast. Am I surprised? No.
luckily we will have him next year when he’s *really* healthy.
Well that was worth guaranteeing $8.44million more for.
This Defense still can’t get consistent pressure alot of time in the pocket for the QB to work with.
Jamal Adams will fix it.
Oh wait.
Just. Retire.
Nice run stuff by the defense on 4th there.
Not the prettiest but it’ll work
Screw Jamal. Get off our team loser.
You do know you’re gonna be saying that next year as well right?
yep
Pathetic take. The team overspent on the trade but why dump on a hurt player?
The man busted his ass to recover from a serious injury and now this!? I feel for him
Loser take.
He didn’t ask to be injured again. He is human after all.
It was pretty bad form for a tackle (kinda a Seahawks thing broadly speaking) but leading eyes closed head down is Russian Roulette.
He may come back after the bye week but who knows how long he’ll last the next time. Unlikely it’ll be very long
great tackle by adams!!!!!
doink!!
knee off helmet, better then ball off helmet?
Out for the season!
For clarity’s sake… We’re currently paying Jamal Adams $9M per tackle. 🤦♂️ With that head smack, I’m not getting concussed.
Great 4th down stop! I hope Adams is ok, and I also hope he doesn’t play again tonight.
That’s a touchdown
WTF was that
Yooooooo!!!!
TD? Okay, this game is already heading towards legendary status…
Hes down
Elbow……?
Yup
Hip too
It’s 1:30am
I can’t be dealing with these dumb moments from the refs
Get on with it!
Have some respect for Mr. Staton’s time folks.
Honestly, JA is a defensive liability. Probably helps the D that he is out.
Butt down
JSN with a catch for no gain….drink
I already have BINGO.
3 and out
Not good
Oline looks terrible
So tired of passes to Jaxon at the line of scrimmage
and behind the line of scrimmage nothing down or middle of field
This is what I’m talking about. It’s not him. That pass has not worked in forever with Seattle. Its the holmgren run on 3rd and long. Pointless.
Wtf are we doing? Ugh
I’m gonna go split firewood instead.
The Lubbock crime syndicate is in fine form tonight.
The year of the punt muff followed by trying to reach between the legs to pick it up
Fall on it.
Head up when you tackle. Fall on the football with a punt muff. Chip the rusher, dont juke him.
Adams was looking good until that knee to the head. He still brought the QB down though and looked like he was giving high effort. There’s disliking a trade/being frustrated, then there’s being ridiculous and to be critical of Adams after 10 plays and a knee to the head is silly unless he is giving up huge plays. I’m not saying other criticisms haven’t been fair, all in all he has been a wildly disappointing player. But of course i want him to succeed im a hawks fan, and he looked good
Best in the nation
*at getting paid to not play
No spy for Jones? Really?
He’s counting Tweety Birds in the locker room…
Wagz is so hard to watch.
he looks slow slow out there
Slow for a guard. MLB? yikes
This defense is elite
Team looks awful. This is going to be painful.
Giants is a shit show also, so probably just a shitty game
54 out there doing pirouettes..
So far it looks like the Giants “want it more than us”.
So far, the Giants are beating the Giants.
WITHERSPOOOOOOON
He plays so fast. Kind of reminds me of how Earl used to fly to the ball.
Spoon didn’t miss his opportunity to sack the QB like Adams did. Good job man
Yup. Unless he retires and he’s got millions of reasons not too.
Response to Big Mike above
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Jamal Adams will not return to the game.
Cha, it ain’t gonna happen but is there a monetary benefit if Adams were to call it quits mid-season?
His salary comes off the books.
But that’s a million and change since the Seahawks converted it to bonus 3 weeks ago.
So it’s not much.
.@Seahawks injury update: S Jamal Adams will not return to the game.
— Seahawks PR (@seahawksPR) October 3, 2023
Witherspoon though…
The pride of Pensacola.
Fantastic fake to K9 by Geno on that play action to Fant
I feel for Adams. Dude was an awful trade, but he seems to care and cannot catch a break.
He cares about himself.
this injury was totally avoidable, tho
100% avoidable. Piss poor tackling and dropping his head.
Another injury to the oline thats great
We like to criticize players for lack of effort but I’d say Adams plays with too much effort to the point of recklessness that plays a big part in him bring injured so much.
100% effort, 0% brains
It was funner watching UEA scrimmage by the Yar.
There goes Haynes again. Why is he even out there. Rest him more…
Walkers speed is next level
This game is a freakin cluster. My god.
The Refs are taking “you can call holding on every play” a little too literally
This game is not going to be worth losing sleep because of it, right? I guess I’ll play a little bit of Baldur’s Gate and go to bed.
Larian Studios has much better writers than the NFL.
Just punt.
Horrid football
Hawks look completely out of sync on offense. Ugly so far.
Fragile Phil… I’m wondering if Bradford holds down the starting gig after the Bye Week
The amount of flags in this games and its still the 1st quarter
Effen DK man. He just can’t help himself
Metcalf has to be one of lowest IQ’d players in the league
Metcalf will never be elite because his fundamentals as a receiver are TERRIBLE.
Unfreakin real
What a surprise JSN catching the ball at the LOS
…and not having the speed or quickness to do anything with it.
If we only had a guy who is strong and really fast on the team
HORRIBLE utilization of JSN
How %(#$ hard is it to put JSN on the LOS and make him run a slant.
They might as well give JSN the Jimmy Graham treatment and ask him to inline block on running plays.
Hey a one yard gain for JSN
Can they only throw to JSN at the line of scrimmage
It’s gonna be Tuesday afternoon for Rob when this game ends
Pardon my french.
But this is shit.
No need to pardon when it’s the truth
WTF is this game
Is it just me, or does PC look like shit? Usually pretty spry on the sideline, but saw a camera shot dude looked like he just flew a red eye back from burning man
It’s taken 72 years but the man finally seems to be ageing
Worst Quarter of football I’ve seen since yesterday.
and the quarter hasn’t ended yet too
Best play of the game so far, this punt
I was watching ManningCast, what the hell happened on the DK reception that caused 4th down?
He stepped out of bounds and didn’t re-establish
Aw, thanks. How this team manages to shoot itself in the foot when firing blanks, I’ll never know.
So when’s scrimmage over so the game can start?
20th overall. Maybe he runs down the field and you throw him the ball. The whole WR-foward pass-American football thing.
Usual shit..
Continue to kill Njigba. DK is such a waste for #1 receiver.
Refs are killing the game with flag fest. This helps NYG stay in game
The 4th and one stop and that punt are the only two good plays the Seahawks have all game so far
Just a reminder, the referee and the replay official both went to Lubbock Christian University.
Would somebody please tell the Seahawk’s coaching staff that JSN is not a jitterbug! Please?
Officiating like that is what kills football. Who wants to watch ticky tac calls the entire game
SOME LIFE! Any flags on the field??????
hahahaha this game is hilarious
what is this game its so confusing
Mario! with the huge play
Bellevue High School plays better than this.
Good job by Joe buck and Troy not identifying who stripped Jones
Give them a break, they are broadcasting and awful game, hard to pay attention, lol
Well I have no argument there
They are known as Beavis and Butthead in this household.
I actually like Joe for the most part but not Troy at all
I think the Jolokia peppers and this margarita are making me hallucinate.
Mario Edwards Jr. far exceeding expectations, Nwosu kind of in the other direction. But, finally a damn turnover for this defense!
Ugly game though man.
Mario Edward’s with the Sack and forced fumble
Our big free agent, Mario Edwards, paying dividends!
Wow, pretty sucky quarter for both teams up until that last minute when then Seahawks came alive.
Go Hawks!
Imagine paying Daniel Jones whatever the Giants are paying him
Probably can say the same thing about Jamal Adams:)
IIRC it’s 40
He’s definitely outperformed expectations so far this year, & we need him to continue.
Meant as reply to Romeo on Edwards
Mario Edwards has been a really nice surprise so far this season.
Manningcast technology is out of this world lol
I hope Dre’Mont Jones is taking notes, presuming he’s awake.
I forgot he was even out there
Was Reed limping off?
NM he’s back out
Looked like it.
DreMonte!
Wow Jones made a play
And the blasted way past 3 mph pursuing the QB on the next plat.
This Giants team is HORRIBLE! Wasn’t Daboll a good coach?
Coach of the year last season and they played their arses off
Now they just look absolutely terrible
Couple of guys got paid big, might be a cause
They paid Jones stupid money and hes not good
If the ball is snapped this there is about an 80-90% chance a flag is going to be thrown that play.
*This game
A lead is a lead and we take the wins where we can but man Seattle looks like a team that’s gonna have a rough time against teams that aren’t incompetent.
If refs call holding every play, might as well have ties like in soccer and declare this game 0-0.
Geno getting tackled OOB is the one play NO flag is called?
THAT SHOULD BE A FLAG!
And now Geno’s is hurt…
Officiating does seem slanted
Is walker hurt havent seen him alot
Ooof, bad ankle roll. Might be knee.
Geno hurt?
Whoa… I was about to say DREW LOCK time
Hes stiff he should not be on the field
Does JSN have some disease that prohibits him from catching passes past the line of scrimmage?
The disease is called Shane Waldron.
Waldron is a disease? Dang, he’s worse than Jeremy Bates!?
If Geno is going to do THAT, let Lock have the rest of the half.
Hey that would have been another behind line of scrimmage pass to JSN
Another LOS pass attempt to JSN.
Can we bring back Breno just to jazz it up?
Geno can’t even move shouldnt be playing
Where was JSN going to go with that damn ball anyways???
JSN really not trusted to run routes?
Is it even in the playbook?
Drew Lock Time
Shut Geno down for the game, we might even win with Drew Lock.
Has any team ever been this bad at screen passes.
Been watching football since 1964 and I can’t recall anyone worse
Are you forgetting the 2022, 2021, 2020, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, etc. versions of the Seahawks?
Gallows humor, my favorite
keep trying to force the ball to jsn hasnt worked yet this season
On the other side, what a display of Dickson’s skills. Punter for MVP?
Best player of the game by far
League office called and said pick the flag up
Sure seems slanted toward the giants
gotta keep eyes on the game, so gotta keep it close.
advertisers demand it!
100%
Both guards injured
Hey down both guards again….what the hell?
Wagner…
Not the cart for lewis
Wow Bobby is slow
Bobby is a liability out there
Witherspoon has been playing hard this game!
Thats a hit
97 yd drive incoming
Wow does Witherspoon ever pop guys.
Spooooon
BUT…BUT… JALEN CARTER!!!!!
Spoon came to play
Incredible read incredible close incredible tackle
Witherspoon is going to be a star.
LBs can not cover at all
Witherspoon brings the boom hes a sure tackler
They should seriously pull the off ball LBs. Just sit em.
Witherspoon is going to be a flat out stud. People have been whining about not getting Jalen Carter but this kid plays every snap and is a real tone setter.
Pro witherspoon
Con extending adams for infinity
The difference between Devon Witherspoon and Jalen Carter is that if I caught Spoon in bed with “Flo” from Progressive and the Limu Emu, I would know he was shooting a commercial.
Imagine if we had even three other guys that brought it like Spoon does on this defense. Love Woolen but we need loud, proud and mean….. and not porcelain.
I’m beginning to think we need three more players like Witherspoon! Hard hitting is what Seahawks need.
Adams is but is injury prone
apparently “3” is the magic number?
Stop copying off my paper, bro. 😂
If Geno can’t move or is injured just play Drew Lock
ENTER THE DREW-NIVERSE!!!!!
YESSS Drew time lets see what hes got
Wait who is this guy that isn’t behind the line of scrimmage?
Witherspoon reminds me of “Bullet” Bob Sanders. Decisive in his movements and just has a knack for making plays. Pure energy guy that brings others up around him.
On a side note, is it me or does Bobby Wagner just look SLOW???
the scary thing about that comp is that Sanders hit too big for his frame.
Hopefully Whitherspoon has a longer, healthier career than Sanders.
Whenever Wagner has to do something in the open field it is painful to watch.
New Center?
Olu in at center, Brown moved to left guard when DLew went down. This is the second string OL.
Thanks
The Seahawks should make this Offensive Line shuffle permanent. Olu played center in college, at an elite level. Brown has been great, but he was a good guard when he played in Detroit. Bradford is physical and nasty, not to mention he looks good technically.
They should let this group play out. I am so sick of the Seahawks playing rookies, or players “out of position”, and this goes back to Tom Cable. I feel like it is a waste of talent and progression, especially at the next level.
That ‘could’ be a bad injury for Geno
I’ve had a few serious ankle injuries in my life. One while playing soccer, I sprained my ankle and actually drove home after the game (in pain, but OK to drive). About five mins after I got home, wow. I couldn’t walk. Was on crutches by the next day. Took a year to properly heal.
Obviously I was a 21-year-old non-pro without medical help and trainers but having broken my ankle twice and sprained the other ankle — the break was 100x better.
Strangely good news for Riley Leonard.
Ankles are like shoulders, they are weird when you hurt them and take forever to heal while also being really easy to injure again
i agree…this could be bad.
And on such a stupid play. He should never have caught that ball…or ran with it.
then he gets his out of bounds…
Trial by fire time. Olu Olu is snapping to Lock. Evan Brown is at LG for Lewis
I hope Geno can come back. I have no confidence in Lock.
I feel the opposite. I’m intrigued to see what Lock can do
I have money on the Seahawks though 😀
Agreed, he didn’t look that bad in preseason, he needs a chance to show what he can deliver in a real game.
Plus, why risk with an injured QB? In the worst case lose today but start Geno next time.
I like what i see so far from lock
Reverse Jinx! Nice drive by Lock. A few throws offline though.
Which is understandable to be fair. Coming into a game, big opportunity.
Geno is desperate to get back on the field. If Lock can do what he does, Geno’s gone next season.
Yes, htey had to move Brown from center to guard after Lewis got carted off
Response to BrandoK
I like how fast Drew is getting the ball out of his hand not holding it for too long good start
How many of thought the offensive line looked good at the beginning of the season? Who’s left of the original group?
Hmm. A palpable lack of Lock-jsn chemistry.
Hell, they weren’t screens. I’ll take that.
at least hes throwing at him beyond the LOS
At least they’re trying to get JSN the ball beyond the LOS
WOOOW FANT!!
Charbonnet Bradford Olu for a yard
Well, Walker instead
Walker instead but you called it
Good run by Fant
How many was that, Wink?
Does seattle have a 3rd string QB on the roster?
Nope
I thought they could dress a 3rd QB cause of the SF rule
They have to be on the Active Roster.
if Lock gets hurt, we’ll see a lot of the wildcat.
Holton Ahlers sits eagerly by his phone….
Do we know who the emergency QB is? I know back in the day it was Kam Chancellor. Do we just run a full wildcat?
Design a play for Fant, he deserves this TD.
More flags what a surprise
With NOT one starting OL in their native spot, Drew Lock looked decent there. I think he probably needs to settle a little bit more before he forces to roll out and that may just be nerves, maybe even play design
i don’t hate this game….it’s sloppy…but it’s kind of a rock fight and feels weirdly compelling….a little bit of a toughness check. tons of backups too. we’re clearly better – i want to see us roll through this.
Thats why I was pulling for a Breno reprise. Wth
Now no cheapies defense
We get the ball to start the second half
If I had to guess, the emergency ‘QB’ would be Deejay Dallas.
LOL
I dont recall the last time a worse officiated game was, this is b.s.
Last nights SNF game
I warned you yesterday about this crew.
Spot on
WTF are we doing?
let’s just win this weird game w out anyone else getting hurt… and get to the bye.
💯
It’s official, concussion.
Jamal Adams thinks he’s Batman.
Probably thinks he is George Clooney compared to the much better actors who played Batman.
Absolutely bored to tears with Jamal Adams and all the crap that surrounds him. It’s obvious he’ll never be what Carroll has always wanted him to be.
He is getting softer each snap of the ball. Never be able to trade him either
What an ugly injury and penalty filled Poopfest. Glad with the double digit lead. The Giants looked like a tire fire in the first half
I am under no illusion that Seattle is a good team, but will enjoy a victory, if they hold on.
seahawks are SLOPPY. I hope they have some halftime adjustments, so they don’t get their asses handed to them in typical fashion.
Bad officiating crews contribute to sloppy football AND INJURIES.
I’m still in disbelief that wasn’t a penalty against DJ on the punt, right in front of the ref no less.
Lubbock Christian University has a few bets on this game.
Lots of penalties, injuries including to our Pro Bowl starting QB, and a lack of meaningful run game and despite it all Seattle is heading into the break with 14-3 lead on the road in prime time. Not every game is a Picasso. But good teams win games like these
Are we playing the Giants or the refs?
Both it seems to me
Rob asked us to excuse his French earlier when he said this game is shit. So here is a quick guide.
Merde
Baiser
Nom de Dieu
Is Geno really going to play like why
If I’m Pete, I don’t think twice about pulling Geno if he’s struggling.
There goes throwing to JSN down the field
Geno gets in and we have more flags
These officials are doing everything in their power to keep us from taking control of this game
Bought.
WTF Geno taunting really
Good throw and catch. Nothing spurs healing like being afraid you will be replaced. Go Geno !
So two of our recent draft our playing on the offensive line now! wow.
Walker’s running through a cloak room. Beautiful.
Love this 1 2 punch with K9 and Zach
Walker and Charbonnet are KILLERS!!!
JSN TD coming up
He getting the ball behind the LOS when geno plays
K9’s inability to plunge ahead is the only thing about his game that drives me crazy.
Good throw by Geno and it’s a first down of course the refs would have not picked up the flag and we’d had to kick the field goal anyway
I’m sure there was holding somewhere on the offensive line. lol
I want to see more of Drew Lock his throws have a zip to them
Don’t know why you don’t run right on 4th down there. Running right was looking pretty dominant on that drive.
QB sneak would work too
Especially with the way Charboonet was running.
Geno should have known Charbonnet was too tight there and just run it himself.
Dumb decision. Very dumb.
Was really hoping we would get to see Drew Lock play the 2nd half.
Same wanted to see more of him too
Three missed tackles on that sack.
Loved to see the defense dominant that drive. Not giving Jones a chance to do anything.
And then Boye Mafe whiffing on the next one.
It’s time. Crush their spirits and run up the score. They’ve got nothing.
Is this Dline good or is the giants Oline just that terrible?
The latter.
Well we have a whole new starting 5 on O-line, so I can’t give the Giants O-line a pass.
So I’d say our D-line is playing well against a bad O-line. But many would assume our O-line should be bad as well.
There is a flag on every snap it is embarrassing. The NFL needs to do something about the officiating because it is almost unwatchable.
This crew is horrific
Glad to see Bobby getting a sack.
We are getting great field position.
It’s hard to get worried about the Giants, but I still got my fingers crossed the Seahawks keep the pressure on them.
This has to be the least impressive 6 sacks in less than 3 quarters of football.
It is unwatchable. If this wasn’t the Seahawks playing I couldn’t watch this Ref fest.
Geno can’t move, why is he playing
I’m surprised they didn’t call intentional grounding on his last pass into the dirt.
Geno looks terrible
Cut Myers already
Six points left on the field. Just can’t run up a score, even against a team with no heart.
Myers is terrible
Exactly with the offensive line the way it is being mobile is more important this game so that means Lock gives us the best chance.
Except most of the yardage was that wild run by Fant.
Waste of excellent field position and now leaving them hanging around
Exactly, was hoping I wouldn’t need to feel nervous about blowing it.
Gotta blame Geno on that doesnt look good
Typically Seahawk football. Let an inferior opponent hang around .
I wonder how many different penalties the Seahawks will get today?
Is that a penalty every second play?
How is that not a hold on Cameron Yohng?
Cam Young is BIG and strong
FErc me, am I actually concerned about the Giants??? They are moving the ball.
Taylor is oblivious when not rushing the passer.
Big penalty coming up!
Is Geno gonna be playing the rest of the game I would rather see Lock out there
Shane Waldron has been absolutely terrible today with his play calling. He is the reason why this game is close. No feel for the game in this second half at all. Terrible
Dear lord, Mafe is slow in pursuit.
Daniel Barkley.
Just.. walking the ball past the defense.
This defense gonna let the QB run all over them
Guys….. I think I’m in love.
#SpoonForever
Spoooooooiooooooooon!!!
Hell yeah!!!!!
Carter Who, what a stud
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW
Spoon, with the Dagger!
FIVE FINGER DISCOUNT !!!
BOOM !!!
That’s our rook.
Carter who?
Wow, Witherspoon the Legend begins.
There’s gotta be a penalty flag right?
Witherspoon is that guy
SPOON!!!!!!!!!
The Rookie does it all today.
There’s your NFC defensive player of the week
All World Witherspoon. What a game for this young Man!
BOW DOWN TO WITHERSPOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not a good night for the Jalen Carter truthers
bUt THeY sHoULdA dRaFtED jAleN cArRTeR
I hope that ghost is dead
Daniel Jones – thank you sir!
Spoon is easily defensive player of the week
Nice to see our #5 draft pick paying off
SPOOOOOOOOOON
man, are these two young CB’s gonna lead the way for this team?
suddenly, our dead energy defense is showing a ton of spirit!
Plus Riq also had a near INT
Our DBs are so bright, I gotta wear shades. Especially the creeper kind like Palatypus
They really have been picking on Witherspoon and he is making them find out hahahaha!
That’s a way to rest Geno too, let them get to our red zone then score an int TD so they start back from square one.
Witherspoon plays better as the nickel
Ikr?
when they picked him i thought that might be the plan and to move coby outside
I would rather have Coby play as a safety and Tre Brown as the other starting DB
Coby Bryant needs to play outside Corner with Riq. He played that in college at an elite level. Cut Jackson next year, and install Bryant as the starting outside corner.
Witherspoon, 6
Carter, 0
Spoon puts the knife in!!!!!
started in the 2nd half last week…this D is starting to show some grit and spirit – — it’s fun to watch
Otoh, Darrell Taylor is pretty awful
ah…the inevitable Reed injury at last.
Hope having 2 weeks off will get him healthy and some other guys too
Shit Reed is down!!
Cam Young every down the rest of the way?
The only good drive the Hawks had this game was the one Lock played. Really wish we could have gotten to see him play the 2nd half. Really think he has more upside than Geno if this team wants to go to the next level.
That or any other big body they can muster
Yea, im thinking they extend Taylor 3 yr 45m.
Don’t. You. Dare.
people are going to overreact to Seattle’s dine but we gotta admit this Giants Oline its garbage
Meanwhile SEA rolls with 2 lines, the backup oline and a second line of TEs
I am starting to feel bad for Daniel Jones. He is taking a beating.
Never mind, I hope the Seahawks get 8 more sacks.
Only drawback is if this D starts feeling itself and walk into Cinci with an inflated sense of self.
False sense of self? Or confidence? When you play with confidence you do everything a little bit quicker
Confidence by beating a good team is great. Waxing a Junior Varsity OL for 8 sacks isn’t going to happen again this season.
I think we won the LOS battle
My God the Giants are bad. Arizona is better and has more heart.
Arizona should have beaten them
Daniel Jones has been sacked 8 times and taken a peacock helmet to the knee.
I was at Jim Kelly’s last game when the Seahawks abused him with 7 sacks, but he left with an injury.
I’m impressed.
Don’t get used to it. Giants OL is historically bad. Still I agree that our D is playing great.
Witherspoon is from your neck of the woods Palatypus. Pensacola, FL?!
Two tight ends in the backfield.
Offense look better with Lock out there
Do not like the approach on that offensive series
How about running the football a little
Took the words right off my keyboard.
I’ve been bitching about it all 2nd half. It’s so frustrating. The Seahawks defense is bailing out a dismal play calling day from Waldron
I don’t see why Geno is still out there
Yeah give them the ball again, way funnier.
Michael Dickson deserves a running play today.
Offense has been bad tonight. Thankfully, the defense came to play.
💯
Seahawks Offense has done absolutely nothing in the second half which has to be concerning even with this large lead.
One short TD drive by Geno, and one TD Drive by Lock is not a very good showing.
But most of the offense ran through Geno. Lock barely got to play
Just a humiliating guano show for Daboe. Did they ever give any OL help?
And another sack
Another one
Wait Diggs did something I can Diggs?
Can we please run the football
Thank you
Can we petition the league to play the Giants every year?
Hall with the QB pressure
Diggs answers that long standing question of whether or not he’s playing with prosthetic hands.
“It’s all in the hips…..”
Gets ine in the numbers and hauls it in
Dabol is in absolute disgust with Daniel Jones. That’s quite the Head Coach-QB dynamic.
yeah…pretty classless how obvious he’s being.
Daboll is being a clown. Bad look for him…
I agree and it’s been uncomfortable watch. However, in Dabol’s defense, on a couple occasions when cameras were showing their exchanges on the sideline, it seemed that Jones was confused on the play calls, or called the wrong plays. If I was Dabol, I would be pissed too.
The win is in the bag, why not play Drew Lock now?
Geno can not sense pressure
Jake Curhan can’t pass block either
It’s hard when Thibodeaux is in your face when you plant your back foot on the 3 step drop.
Sounds silly to say, but don’t feel right calling this a win- more like Giants lost.
I’ll still take a W of course and wins are wins and all, but offense was not good enough to win against most of this league tonight.
This is the most excruciating 21-point lead ever.
Curhan was abused on that sack.
11 sacks? Oh, my.
The PFF grades for our D will be close to 90 for so many players.
Why is Dallas not playing running back?