One question has been answered today but the nature of Adam Schefter’s ESPN report creates plenty of others.
Schefter revealed the Seahawks wouldn’t be cutting Geno Smith today, which isn’t surprising. There was no sense in doing that — a restructure was always more likely today which would’ve likely locked Smith onto the roster for 2024.
Instead, the Seahawks are not parting ways. For now, at least. There’s a new key date to focus on — March 18th, when a $9.6m roster bonus is due. That is the deadline for a trade. Either Smith will be dealt before that day, or he will remain with the Seahawks this year.
Schefter’s second tweet on the topic was interesting. Take a look:
The Seahawks believed that, in today’s market, with salaries soaring for starting quarterbacks, the right decision was to pay the money, per sources. Now Geno Smith will represent a value to them – or any other team that decides to reach out to see if it can acquire Smith via… https://t.co/3W45jFIhMn
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) February 15, 2024
File this one in the ‘no smoke without fire’ category. Schefter mentioning that Smith ‘represents value’ to ‘any other team that decides to reach out to see if they can acquire Smith’ says it all. There’s a reason why that was tossed out there.
I’ve been saying for a couple of weeks that I thought a trade was the most likely outcome. I don’t think it’s a certainty — the Seahawks aren’t going to give Smith away. It’s possible no attractive offers come in and the way Schefter’s report is framed, you’d imagine the Seahawks are comfortable with moving forward if that’s the case.
However, Schefter’s tweet almost feels like an appeal to give the Seahawks a call. They’re keeping their options open — which is the right thing to do. I do think John Schneider and Mike Macdonald being non-committal before today was telling and indicative of how they are thinking. I think their language might change now. Schneider is speaking on Seattle Sports today, in the first episode of his weekly pre-draft series. If the Seahawks are minded to check the trade market on Smith, Schneider will likely start talking him up.
Short of a clear-cut announcement though of Smith being ‘the guy’, I think the topic is set to drag on into the combine where serious trade discussions will begin. By then, we should know what’s going to happen. We don’t have long to wait.
I think the Steelers are a key team to watch. Atlanta are another. It should be an interesting two or three weeks. If a serious offer isn’t forthcoming, Smith likely stays and plays with the Seahawks. Let’s be clear though — the news today isn’t confirmation of anything definitive. The date next month is the key one to watch and I’d suggest it’d be a mistake to ignore the language in Schefter’s report.
If you missed Curtis Allen’s fantastic article earlier, taking a strategic look at the Seahawks off-season, be sure to check it out here.
I am absolutely not surprised they are keeping Geno (for now). For the amount that QBs get paid, he is still a relative bargain. They also have no QBs on the roster if he is cut. I would not be surprised if he is traded though. And forgive me if you or Cha have already answered this, but can they rework his contract if they wanted and he was agreeable to it?
You can always rework deals — not sure how much financial benefit they could get though (and they won’t want to be tied to long deals for a QB approaching 34)
(FYI – I couldn’t figure out how to reply to start a reply to an article other than to just reply to one of your replies.)
In a previous article you said you think it might be best if Seattle were to trade out of the #16 pick. What would you consider a fair return? More specifically, if Washington want the #16 pick, what would you ask in return?
The deadline will have passed tomorrow to have any leverage to rework in a way that says ‘hey we want you on the team but we can’t afford your number. It has to be lower or we’ll move on.’
But they absolutely can convert the salary to bonus all the way up to September. And the roster bonus deadline is March 18, whenever the deadline to pay it is, they have the option to change it to a signing bonus and split it over 2024/25.
Thanks guys! Great stuff, as usual.
That they specifically mentioned reaching out to Drew Lock within the past few days seems to be something. What, I don’t know, but do backup free agents typically get a shout out? Geno ain’t taking Seattle to the Super Bowl, but he’s a possible trade that could land another player who just might be. (Yeah, there are a lot of moving parts in that conjecture.)
Also, really enjoyed the cha article. Always very informative.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Drew holds off signing a new deal until after Geno’s future is solidified. He might want to test the FA waters. You would think he’d want a chance to start somewhere and you aren’t getting that if Geno is on the roster at $31m. I’d go somewhere that will have a rookie and hope to be the bridge for that team to showcase his talents for a future deal. I’d tell the Seahawks to figure things out and I’ll be waiting until March 18th.
I think a restructure may be possible but there is certainly no way in this money that Geno will take LESS guaranteed money. So it’s 22M (the 13 + the 9) or more.
The more and more I look at this, BOY was it a team-friendly deal for the Seahawks. I remember getting mocked for thinking the Seahawks and Geno should agree to the Cousins 3/84/fully guaranteed and being told his agent would be a fool for accepting that but he’s going to end up probably getting less and maybe getting happy.
I think Geno is criminally underpaid by today’s market but still am unsure if he’s our QB of the future.
I agree with you. Undervalued and underpaid. He’s currently ranked the 6th best QB over the last two seasons as a starter. He’s a late bloomer but turning 34 still offers another 3-5 years of high end production. Stafford at 36 is still plugging along.
I do agree that possible trade partners will be Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and maybe Denver. Nevertheless, I would like to see Geno has a season with Grubb at OC.
Geno Smith is not the sixth best QB in the NFL
That is absurd
Oh, this sounds like my kind of game trying to figure out how Geno Smith is the 6th best Quarterback in the NFL.
1. CJ Stroud
2. Dak Prescott
3. Jared Goff
4. Brock Purdy
5. Baker Mayfield
6. Geno Smith
Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen, Tua Tagovailoa, Justin Herbert, Matthew Stafford and Joe Burrow don’t count?
🤣
He’s not 6th obviously. But salary aside for 1 year I think I’d put him 9th for 2024. And this is not to argue that the Seahawks are going to keep him (there is a lot of smoke) or should keep him (need a QB for 2025, 2026 and beyond plus I wouldn’t pay market rate for non-elite QB). But curious where others would put him.
Better than Geno: Mahomes, Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Stafford, Herbert, Dak, Stroud
Not better than Geno: Goff, Purdy, Mayfield, Rodgers, Tua, Carr, Achilles Cousin
I was joking around a little but writing that Geno is better than Aaron Rodgers is insane, I like it!
FYI, everyone you listed as not better than Geno has had far superior careers. Purdy has won how many playoff games compared to Geno Smith
Too…much…content…can’t…keep…up…
Does the timing of this mean anything here? Are players typically notified the day before the deadline? Seems like if they thought he was their guy this would have been communicated a long time ago. Or is this just a regular formality?
It is noteworthy that Geno was the news that was leaked. They have 3 other players with deadlines tomorrow and they didn’t get a word.
Likely the staff has been reading the discourse on the internet.
Rob, do we have precedent on what to expect on compensation for Geno? It will almost be 2 years ago in March when he was traded for a third round pick and the Colts reworked his contract.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33564735/sources-indianapolis-colts-acquire-qb-matt-ryan-atlanta-falcons-third-round-pick
I think it’ll be extremely ambitious to expect that level of compensation
Let’s not forget that Ryan was a former NFL MVP and had a long, productive career
R4 at best I think, unless they eat salary to sweeten the deal
Definitely signals open to trades for Geno, but has to be right price.
Teams all probably waiting to kick the tires at the combine before making QB decisions, Hawks included.
Drew Lock seems to be asked to sit tight or feel free to find your market in FA. We might trade Geno and/or draft a QB just so you know.
I find myself increasingly skeptical that any team is going to offer us a draft pick, even a late one, w/ Cousins, RW3, & Baker available as free agents & Justin Fields available via trade. Not to mention the draft and 2nd tier QBs, like Tannehill and Minshew available (probably for wayyy cheaper than half of Geno’s salary.
How many teams are even in the market: Patriots, Raiders, Broncos, Steelers, Commanders, Vikings, Bucs, Saints, Falcons??
This is my concern as well. There’s a very good chance they end up sticking with Geno based on a lack of suitors and are stuck with his 31.2mil cap hit. This would put a big damper on what they can pull off in free agency.
Is he the best out of that group? Baker is probably going back to Tampa and Cousins will be a pain to sign. Russ will be picky on where he wants to go. Will anyone even want to kick the tires on Fields?
He’s probably the best for some of those teams as a legitimate, cheaper starter. If they are in the market, they will probably be in on Geno.
Cousins wants to stay in Minn and is expensive + coming off Achilles injury, no one wants to inherit RW’s contract, Mayfield and Bucs sound like they want to make music, Fields is a huge gamble, Tannehill is over the hill. Minshew is probably the best of the bunch besides Geno and after his 2023 season will likely command Geno-level compensation… might Colts try to keep him as insurance? I can definitely see a market for Geno who had 7th highest QBR in 2022 and 14th in 2023.
Hey all here’s a thread on Reddit I asked to the Michigan wolverines subreddit to identify players they really liked. Have a look. Outside of the obvious players the one name that really stood out from responses was Jaylen Harrell. Apparently he started over David Ojabo in 2021 in the playoffs, when MM was the DC.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MichiganWolverines/s/AOScsgvtS1
Seahawks Twitter is full of a bunch of ” I told you he is going to be the QB!” posts. Mention a trade and they can’t even fathom the idea. I’ve seen a few saying Schefter doesn’t know what he is talking about to put it mildly. Or the fact that Grubb mentioned coaching both Geno and Lock that they are just going to run it back at QB.
Rob, you are dead on, Schefter would put that info out unless he had it pretty good authority that they are open for business on moving Geno. Also, why would coaches come out and say they weren’t going to coach Geno if they were trying to generate some trade interest.
I think he gets dealt, I think probably a 4th rounder, and Lock and a rookie QB are the two QB on the roster next season.
Brady’s take is really balanced
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39532470/sources-seahawks-let-qb-geno-smith-collect-127-million
There are none so blind as those who will not see
Speaking of blind. Since I am very needy and I value your takes so much I’ve been looking more into chop robinson and though I still have some doubts I’m reading stuff that I may not have initially considered. Who knew you could change ones mind?
Astonishing!
Meant nerdy but needy works!!😅
Chop and Macdonald seem like a great pairing.
And to those who lack the courage and say it’s dangerous to try…
Remember its more important as a fan to be right in your takes than look at different variables.
If someone disagrees remember to call them:
An idiot
Casual
“Fan”
Or that they lack knowledge
Never, ever change your mind.
💯💯💯💯
Or the “you don’t know ball” take… such a corny line.
A guy on twitter tried to convince me that the Seahawks could put Jamal Adams at LB or EDGE because ‘he played D1 ball’ and he knows it’s not about size it’s about intensity and aggressiveness.
So there’s that.
I’ve got a new thing where I just thank folks for helping out the algorithm when it’s clear they are just making baked in, baseless takes.
You don’t know ball is such a weak take from people.
I am so sick of that response. It’s lazy and dismissive and, unfortunately, become a common reaction. It’s the, “ I don’t have an argument so I’ll just dismiss you as stupid” response.
Could you imagine saying that to someone?
I mean our old coach just said it and it looked bad from a guy who actually knows ball.
Mina Kimes jumped on that bandwagon, quote tweeting her “I can’t believe people think Geno is the problem!” rant from weeks ago.
And of course Geno retweeted it.
That is a very desperate look, trying to sell yourself from other people. Sounds like someone taking over in Diggs’s absence….
Yeahhh. I was going to reply to that, but what’s the point. I haven’t seen one serious person argue that Geno is the problem. The question is…Is Geno the answer? Is he the qbotf? If not, is his cost this year and next worth it? You can like Geno and still believe that his cost is not worth it for where the Seahawks are at rebuild wise.
Could you see a scenario that the Washington Commanders trade for Geno?
Considering they will probably draft Jayden Daniels, doubtful.
I will be really disappointed if Smith is on the roster at the start of the season. I hope JS/MM are looking to salvage a draft pick from him and move onto Lock as a bridge QB and draft Rattler.
I agree and just watched your 10 min. video on Geno and them (Grubb this time) mentioning Lock again when he’s not even under contract. Russell Wilson was traded almost 2 years ago after the combine on March 8 2022.
Unless some team makes a great offer quick in the next week or so, I can see them waiting again to talk to many suitors at the combine at the end of Feb.-early March to see who outbids the most for Geno. Or outbids themselves like we did for Dissly and others in recent years.
If we can get a 3rd rounder or even a high 4th and draft a rookie to push Lock, that would be tremendous to move forward and get rid of a lot of his contract. We would be able to trade the base salary we are paying this week?
But we’d still be on the hook for what’s left of the signing bonus he signed last year, wouldn’t we? Over the cap seems to say that we’d have over 17 million in dead cap from a pre-June trade, but save almost 14 million in salary.
I hope Schneider knows what he’s doing. Would be thrilled if we trade Geno and get something of value. Any value at all. Even a 6th. But I’d not be thrilled if he were starting come spring camp. Unless some other team loses their starter and overpays us.
I don’t see Geno as that good. I see little upside in keeping him around. Would love to give Lock and a rookie a real chance to compete.
Best chuckle of the day provided by some beat writer in San Fran.
“10 candidates to be the next DC for the Niners” and Pete Carroll is on the list.
Yes.
In the last 5 games Shanahan stood across from Carroll, they have run on the ground for over 168 yards in every game, and scored almost 30 in every game.
Go get some of that, Kyle.
I so want this to happen. Kyle calling timeouts and yelling at Pete Carroll for calling a bad defensive play would be like a wet dream.
Also the Seahawks X Meltdown from Pete going work for San Francisco would be epic. Especially those that were hoodwinked into beleive that the “Advisor” position was real
And the Niners having to give the Seahawks a draft pick because Pete is still under contract too.
I hadn’t considered that. Unfortunately, I believe the chances of SF hiring Pete to be around 1%.
so many hilarious things wrong with that take. 1 Pete’s ego would never allow him to be a DC for a river 2 Pete’s defense have sucked badly for a while now 3 shanahan would in no way want Pete around as they would probably challenge him. TLDR highly unintelligent take
River=rival
Clint Hurtt is available…
Clint Hurtt went to Philadelphia.
Off topic: ROB have you thought about doing an interview with the new British coach? Maybe have Robbie & Adam with you?
It would be interesting to hear y’all talk!
If Robbie is going to the combine, maybe he could interview him in person.
Would love to but not convinced the Seahawks will green light that
Maybe the BBC though…work a little local flavor human interest angle…
Local = more native son I mean.
If Geno isn’t worth a round 1-3 from some other team, then he’s basically not worth keeping! Unless of course they plan to use Geno as the starter next year. That option seems more likely each day he’s kept on board!
Otherwise we are saying that the Seahawks are willing to pay 12.7 million for a fourth round pick.
Well they were tied to the money anyway so why not get a pick back rather than nothing?
Technically cutting before him tomorrow would net larger amount of cap relief, so its not entirely “nothing”. And if no team is willing to offer a reasonable draft pick for him, then your stuck with him. I would rather just take the cap savings in that scenario then be stuck with his 31.2m cap hit. The market for Geno I dont think its going to be very large, I sure hope JS knows what hes doing and didnt overplay his hand here.
I’m with the Seahawks on this one. I don’t think we should underestimate what a quality starter at the most important position in the sport is worth in the eyes of other teams, especially those in QB purgatory/hell with an otherwise talented roster. Even with his age, flaws, and streaky play, I think some team will pony up for Geno.
Well the problem with this is
A. The timeframe between start of new league year and the March 18th deadline
B. The league may not value him as much as the Seahawks do
Granted it would be ideal to trade him and get a mid round draft pick back, honestly, I think I would have rather just cut him and taken the cap savings.
You would have to think JS has done a little homework and spoken to other teams to gauge any interest in Geno. There has to at least be enough that he feels confident he can get something for him even if it’s not much. Otherwise I think they would’ve cut him. Of course I could be wrong and they are planning on him being on the roster. Though the way they’ve spoken about him suggests he won’t.
They must have offered more $$$.
Trying really really hard not to ‘see Pete? This is how you build a real staff’ every single move that comes through.
Seahawks are doing something here.
+1
Excited to see that they just want to get a bunch of potentially great minds in the building and then see what they can come up with together, regardless of what coaching tree (or much less, what family tree… 🙄) they come from.
That’s because Pete was hiring “yes men” lol
Meanwhile… 🤭
Man at this rate, the Bears might get a third consecutive number one pick.
Tater doesn’t like your post cha……..oh, and pass the ranch please.
I feel as bad as one can for a nepotism coaching hire in Nate Carrol that he was so close to being our OC.
Which is to say not bad at all.
I am interested in hearing what JS has to say today and try to parcel out the important tidbits of information.
Wyman and Bob are just the worst of the Homers and I can barely listen to either of them.
Nothing is going to keep me off the mariners like Wyman talking about them poised for a big year.
The Mariners were my first love. Just can’t believe they are squandering a championship window for profits
I mean… its not really that hard to believe, its not the first time they have done this. John Stanton has proven hes no different than the prior ownership.
Yeah as a kid I’d pour over the box scores and could not wait to go to the games with my mitt.
Dang, thanks for so much content! Outstanding article by Cha. Can’t keep up replying to all the great discussion happening here! Posted on last thread without even seeing this article or the follow-up tweet by Schefter:
Some more creative possibilities I’ve been toying around with for a Geno trade involving a pick swap instead of just receiving a pick straight up:
Scenario #1- recoup a 2024 R2 pick
PIT gets: Geno (with some salary eaten by Seattle), R3P78 (59 points)
SEA gets: R2P51 (112 pts.)
That puts Geno + salary relief value at 53 pts., the value of R3P83, a mid R3 pick.
Scenario #2- stock up ammo for 2025 (perhaps with an eye at a move up for QB…)
PIT gets: Geno, R3P78 (59 pts.), 2025 R3 (~26 pts.)
SEA gets: 2025 R1 (~112 pts.)
That puts Geno’s trade value at 27pts., the value of R4P113, a mid R4 pick.
(*2025 trade chart values are approximated as -1 round, at the same draft position as that team has this year)
Scenario #3- Dominate mid R3 this year
ATL gets: Geno (with some salary eaten by Seattle)
SEA gets: R3P79 (57 pts.)
This puts Geno + salary relief value at 57 pts., the value of R3P79, a mid R3 pick.
Scenario #4- Move up for a stud to kick off the MM era
ATL gets: Geno, R1P16 (305 pts.), R3P76 (61 pts.)
SEA gets: R1P8 (406 pts.)
That puts Geno + salary relief value at 40 pts., the value of R3P95, a late R3 pick.
Take your pick(s)!
These are creative ideas, Sea Mode.
Problem is, they have to be executed by March 17 in order for the Seahawks not to get bit in the butt. If they wait and absorb the whole roster bonus, there won’t be enough room to absorb some salary too.
Right, March 17 is the new deadline to focus on after today’s “we’re open for business and not just letting him go for nothing” announcement, courtesy of Schefter.
I think they’re banking on some team deciding they want a viable veteran starting QB locked in before the draft anyways and know they will have plenty of chance to lay the groundwork in time at the Combine. (Feb. 26-Mar. 4)
Of course, teams know about that hard deadline and it won’t help with leverage, but I think there is also value for the other team in having such a key piece already sorted before free agency starts (Mar. 13). Then they can carry on with their plan for FA and the draft without the huge question mark at QB looming over their heads.
And this is exactly why I was leaning towards just cutting him today and reaping the cap savings. I’m just concerned the league isn’t going to value Geno as much as the Seahawks think he’s worth and we’ll end up stuck with him. Obviously I would prefer they trade him and get something but you can’t assume there will be a taker that will give u what u want in a trade.
I would be good with any of these but scenario 1 seems most likely but I really like scenario 2. Great post sea mode gives us a lot to think about know we can only hope others value Geno enough to trade for him
I’m going to throw this out there just to make people cringe.
What if Russell Wilson ends up on the Stealers.
Since Denver is going to be paying Russ not to play for them, could he just sign with a team for a minimum salary? If that is the case, then it opens up a lot of teams.
RW should be able to beat out Rudolph or Pickett for QB1.
I just cannot see Tomlin and Russ coexisting! I think Russ would be better in Atl with Morris as his coach. Maybe Was for Dan Quinn? But the most likely has to be for LV right?
I see it easy.
Two no good very bad years of broncos russ is better then seven seasons combined of Rudolph and Pickett.
💯 People should watch some of Pickett”s lowlights from this past season to see just how bad Quarterback Play can be.
Some team may also just bring Russ in on the cheap to just be a backup if the starting roles fill up. Wilson might just get a big paycheck from Denver to sit on someone’s bench.
Why not. It’s an easy decision for me as a gm if I don’t have a locked in starter.
Oh, I have, and I got to see that awful class of quarterbacks in person at Senior Bowl practice and the game. I celebrate how bad Pickett is by invoking the biggest military disaster in military history: Pickett’s Charge at the Battle of Gettysburg.
All of the quarterbacks this year are better than all of the quarterbacks last year.
Actually, that was two years ago. I didn’t go to the game last year.
I think he is the exact type of QB they need.
What are the thoughts on Michael Pratt, the QB from Tulane? Hadn’t really looked at him much and I see Rob has him in the 4th round on his board.
I was reading an article on the Pittsburgh QB situation and it was sounding like they are going to resign Rudolph to compete with Pickett and are not looking at outside QB’s. Not sure how reliable that info is, but if true I would guess the trade options would be down to these:
Atl
Was
LV
Den
I think Was might make a ton of sense for Geno – Dan Quinn and Kingsbury could get some stabilization at the QB spot while they bring along a rookie. It was really obvious that Howell wasn’t the answer there…
He’s divisive.
New coaching new ideas. Part of the reason I didn’t give him as much thought is Seattle’s reluctance generally to look at non power five schools.
Eagerly awaiting Adams & Diggs cuts.
Salivating at the thought., If MM and JS mean business, Diggs goes too. Adams seems like a foregone conclusion (which doesn’t mean I won’t be dancing when he goes).
Hopefully they go with the aggressive approach from Curtis’s article
Let’s rip the band aid off and go for it
Also thanks to Rob and everyone else on here for the great Seahawk discussion and coverage
Have been on the road today so unable to comment til now……..PLEASE Kyle, PLEASE hire Pete Carroll as your DC. Just the thought of Walker and Zach running through their D while Carroll has the puzzled look on his face makes me football tingle all over.
Oh and hey Kyle, he’ll probably be willing to bring Tater along with him. He can get ketchup for everyone during meetings.
I wonder who will be assisting coach Macdonald with deciding whether or not to throw the challenge flag? Let’s hope that this individual has better eyesight than Carl Smith. Tater was a downright disgrace.
https://twitter.com/CorbinSmithNFL/status/1758214047755903069?s=19
Well Rob, Corbin Smith said there’s a 90% chance that Geno and Lock will be back. Everything is great, no need to do any analysis of the QBs in the draft!
When Corbin breaks down raw data he’s great.
When he gets to predicting….not so much.
Corn in has trouble separating his emotions from his evals.
I respect him, but the man needs therapy.
Well I watch locked on hawks often and since “better help,” is a sponsor…..
When I am depressed I just watch that “Whenever You Need to Talk” video they played relentlessly during the COVID year NFL Draft. After watching that, I don’t want to seek help anymore.
Or a better second job. He’s a bad car salesman….
Geno is the car.
Rob, Cha, amazing work as always.
Something I’ve been pondering since the Schefter tweet today is how differently we would feel if we werent paying positions like safety so much? Having Geno on for another year at $31 million would probably be a lot easier to swallow if we werent committing so much to the safety position, or making moves like converting Locketts salary to lead to a massive hit this year. All those moves really feel like a last ditch effort to get a superbowl for the Carroll era.
If we were in a better position cap wise I think we would all feel a smidge better about geno potentially staying on for a year as a quality starter with the idea that you are look for the QBoTF to learn behind him.
Anyway, thank you Rob for the new mock draft simulator you dropped on the stream, been having way too much fun with it!
Link to the sim please?
I believe it’s this one
https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/mock-draft-simulator
That’s the one. It’s my favourite
It’s fun but suspicious that I just got jayden daniels in a trade down and the rest of your draft.
Thank you
I forget, are there any other player decisions tomorrow that impact guaranteed money besides Geno?
We’ve hired Jake Peetz from the Rams as Pass Game Coordinator.
Darius Robinson is such a stud. Just watched three games of his and was awed at his pad level. Very good for such a tall bloke.
A team can never have too many good pass rushers/lengthy freaks. With Nwosu coming off a serious injury, I’m not sure Seattle’s going to want to put that pressure on Mafe (especially if they don’t keep Taylor). Hall is a developmental project, who can hopefully blossom, but I don’t think you’re holding your breath.
Doesn’t Darius Robinson feel like that Calais Campbell-esque (Calais had 35.75 arms v Robinson’s 34.75 span ) player that JS has always wanted and looked for?
That’s an interesting comparison. He made some good offensive linemen look very bad at the Senior Bowl. I think he put Dominique Puni on his back and everyone went “Oooooooh!!!”
That’s when you know when you are doing well at the Senior Bowl.
I’ve just started watching some of Senior Bowl highlights, and I’m obviously no pro scout, but he has serious potential. Variety of moves, really long arms. Any ideas on if he’s loved by his teammates?
Well, if you want about 10 hours of raw unfiltered footage, go here.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvliqwz_dF7beS1VJ8UjqsQ
Or better yet, here. I forgot to click.
https://www.youtube.com/@albertbutler4364/videos
John’s conversation with Wyman and Bob is up.
https://sports.mynorthwest.com/category/podcast_player/?a=b1aacf0e-7783-48fb-94f1-a11b9a7ad226&n=The+John+Schneider+Show&i=1706
I was disappointed that they didn’t ask anything about the roster. John did mention that he was also surprised that they didn’t discuss the roster. Mildly interesting.
They mostly talked about his transition to President and the process of hiring coaches.
Same here. Hopefully they’ll address it next week since the coordinators have been solidified.
About 19:30 into the podcast, John mentioned that there is a notion that Geno is Pete’s guy and not his guy, and said that notion is wrong. John said that he and Pete always came to an agreement before putting someone on the roster or moving on from someone. He intends to do the same process with MM.
JS also cracked a joke at the end about people thinking that roster construction is just about drafting a QB.
The joke at the end wasn’t that to be fair. He said something like, ‘we don’t need receivers right? We just need to get a QB like Mahomes and we’ll be fine.’
If anything I thought it was a dig at the ‘trade Metcalf’ talk on the station all week
Fun with Microsoft Co-Pilot AI:
You
Write me a hypothetical dialogue between general manager John Shneider of the Seattle Seahawks and Kevin Colbert of the Pittsburgh Stealers about trading quarterback Geno Smith.
Copilot
Sure, here’s a hypothetical dialogue:
John Schneider: “Hello Kevin, John Schneider here. I wanted to discuss a potential trade involving Geno Smith. Are you open to it?”
Kevin Colbert: “Hi John, good to hear from you. We’re always open to discussions. What are you proposing?”
John Schneider: “We’ve been considering our options and we think Geno could be a good fit for your team. We’re thinking of a trade that could benefit both of us.”
Kevin Colbert: “Interesting. Geno is a talented quarterback, no doubt. But it would depend on what you’re asking in return.”
John Schneider: “We understand. We’re flexible on the terms. Perhaps we could discuss draft picks or player exchanges that could work for both teams.”
Kevin Colbert: “That sounds reasonable. Let’s explore this further and see if we can find a mutually beneficial arrangement.”
John Schneider: “Great, let’s do that. I’ll have my team send over some potential scenarios for the trade.”
Kevin Colbert: “Sounds good, John. We’ll review and get back to you soon. Thanks for reaching out.”
Please note that this is a fictional conversation and does not represent any actual communication or intent between the mentioned individuals. It’s always important to remember that real-life trade discussions involve many more factors and complexities.
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Add an offer from the Kevin Colbert of the Steelers and a counter offer from John Schneider of the Seahawks based on the trade value charts from Tankathon and Draft Tek based on the salary and draft pick compensation of tendered restricted free agents.
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Sure, here’s a continuation of the hypothetical dialogue with an offer and counter-offer:
Kevin Colbert: “John, we’ve reviewed your proposal. We’re considering offering a second-round pick for Geno. We believe this aligns with the trade value charts and Geno’s performance.”
John Schneider: “Kevin, we appreciate your offer. However, considering Geno’s contributions to our team and his potential, we were hoping for a first-round pick. We believe this is fair compensation based on the current market and trade value charts.”
Kevin Colbert: “A first-round pick is significant. We’ll need to discuss this internally. Can we get back to you in a few days after reviewing our options?”
John Schneider: “Absolutely, Kevin. We understand it’s a big decision. We’re open to further discussions and finding a solution that benefits both teams.”
Please note that this is a fictional conversation and does not represent any actual communication or intent between the mentioned individuals. It’s always important to remember that real-life trade discussions involve many more factors and complexities. Also, the actual trade value can vary based on a player’s performance, contract, the team’s needs, and other factors
If we can’t find anyone willing to trade for Geno, did we miss our opportunity to get out from under his contract? Isn’t it possible that no one will want him? Apologies, I don’t have a good grasp of all the NFL calendar stages.
“ It’s possible no attractive offers come in and the way Schefter’s report is framed, you’d imagine the Seahawks are comfortable with moving forward if that’s the case.” Rob answered my question at the beginning of this post. Never mind. Thanks for the great content!
So it feels like it’s Geno and Fields on the trade block. Rob what do you think the draft comp difference would be between the two players. Fields is a second rounder and Geno a fourth. Is there reason you think Geno to Pitt is an option over Fields?
Fields is Trey Lance.
Geno Smith will get more. I’m more bullish on his market than Rob. 2nd and 2025 4th is probably the sweet spot.
There’s no chance you’re getting that. Lets be realistic here
Really think it depends on the number of interested teams, the level of interest, and the amount the Seahawks are willing to eat.
I was shocked that TL got a 3rd, Dobbs got a 6th(?), QBs tend to net more than I would expect for any given position.
Matt Ryan is a good comp for Geno, but with less upside and he netted a 3rd. I could sell Geno a lot better than I could Ryan, and there are teams that are much better situated than the Colts to need a competent bridge QB capable of providing top-12 production, pro-bowl good feels, and the chance at playoffs.
I suspect that 4 is the floor and what I proposed is the ceiling.
My team to watch is Chicago, I’m getting blasted for that take, but it still makes the most sense to me. A 3rd, plus a conditional 2025 to have the luxury of Caleb sitting for a year?
Lance was a fourth
I don’t think Ryan is a comp at all really. He was a former NFL MVP with over a decade of consistent production. Geno has two hit and miss years in Seattle (Schneider’s assessment)
We are a year removed from Smith being a free agent and by all accounts it didn’t sound like there was much interest at all. Who was linked? Tampa Bay briefly because of Canales?
I don’t think we’re being realistic enough. A fourth is the absolute max I think they will get and if they want to move on, and I suspect they do, that would be a fair return
I don’t see the Bears doing this at all frankly. Just start Caleb
Afraid I agree with Rob on this LCH. A 4th is my expectation if he’s traded. I’d consider a 3rd a bonus. I’d love for you to be right tho of course.
I’m not saying Rob is wrong, more that I’m not crazy!
I am rather neutral on either Geno Smith or Drew Lock being the starting Quarterback in 2024. I am hoping that they do draft a Quarterback soon. Saving some cap space by moving on from Geno is somewhat appealing. Though, I am not certain that he is as coveted a player as many of us believe.
Both Drew and Geno were Free Agents in 2023, and I do not remember hearing about any other teams showing interest in either of them. Many were surprised that Geno didn’t get a larger contract. What if the Seahawks were only bidding against themselves?
That the GM, HC and OC are talking like Lock is still on the roster is somewhat puzzling. I wonder if they have a deal akready in place for him?
Without comment:
https://twitter.com/nflrums/status/1758355369187778965
Well, if true, one comment:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weFJHtcxJt0
It’s NFLRums
I wish that were true but that account is a joke
Not a single question for John Schneider on Geno Smith on 710, despite the news earlier in the day. Which probably means the topic wasn’t permitted. But sure, some people think this is a done deal he’s back next year when the GM could easily just come out and say ‘he’s our guy’
Again… none so blind as those who won’t see
This fanbase I swear… and its not just limited to the Seahawks but also applies to other Seattle based teams. The constant obsession with medicority and the low IQ takes by a sizable portion of the fanbase are so maddening to deal with. Sure you see it in other fanbases, but its nowhere near as prevalent as this one. Its like everyone huffs their own farts and think everything is sunshine and freakin rainbows.
Some of the stuff I’ve seen over the last 24 hours is incredible
The obsession with mediocrity and the status quo is what bothers me the most. I want to win championships. I want the team to want to that to and to do what it takes to get there. So far, I think they’re on the right track with the coaching hires. This offseason will be a great test to see if they’re willing to do what it takes personel-wise.
Probably off limits, but did you ever think there’s a chance the 2 guys interviewing are so bad at their job they just didn’t bring it up? (I’m only half kidding)
Might be why they have the jobs…solves two problems: can’t ask so they won’t ask.
John DID however dispel the notion that Geno was a “Pete guy,” saying “no, he’s a Seahawk guy.” Likely a PR answer and completely noncommittal but he did offer that up himself.
Yep, I will stop saying that now
But I do think you’re right, and maintain Pete was the main player with Geno
I really the like aggressive plan for the new Seahawks, but does this mean I’m a Geno hater?
According to the Fart sniffers in the fanbase you are totally a “Geno Hater”. How dare you not support our guy! /s
I don’t know if the Hawks coaching staff will be any good as most are in brand new positions.
That being said listen to those guys speak yesterday was very comforting as a fan. This is an incredibly impressive group of coaches who are intelligent and articulate. Seems like the Hawks have hit a home run but guess we will have to wait and see.
Is there any way Locket’s contract can be redone / pay cut so his cap nunber can be dramatically reduced while still keeping him on the roster?
Have to think he would prefer to stay in Seattle given his Real Estate business and he would be a nice veteran presence on the roster for a young QB if they go that route.
Trevor. Yes. Tyler Locket’$ contract can be reworked. He would have to agree to a paycut.
The Adam Schefter twits tells it all. “Geno is on the roster this week.”
“Now Geno represents a value to them or to any other team that decides to reach out to see if they can acquire Geno”
Translation: “John Schneider open for bear. If anyone wants Geno come get him.
Final observation. Don’t know much about Steve Wilks. He was fired by the 49ers. Was this a legit firing? Or was he a scapegoat?
First thought was that he was a scapegoat. Any thoughts?
I think he was a scapegoat. But he is a 3-4 guy, and in SF they had him stick with a 4-3 with a lot of Cover 3. I don’t think that his bag.
He’s been a badass DC for the Cards. His D gave Seattle fits. I can’t hardly believe they fired him. Gonna be near impossible for him to find a job this season.
Shanahan getting desperate.
Heard someone say in passing that Shanahan isn’t a risk taker (especially on defense since he thinks his offense can compensate), so he stifled Wilks’s normal high blitzing.
He’s a good DC. For one reason or another, he was sacrificed.
Like STTBM said, he was not a scheme fit for the Niners, so I am not sure why they tried to fit a square peg into a round hole. Probably a bit of a scapegoat though. I mean, in the Super Bowl, his defense is not the one who had a critical XP blocked. It is not the one who muffed a punt return. The defense did not make CMC fumble the ball in Chiefs territory. Oh, and the D held the chiefs to 19 points in regulation. There seems to be a lot of finger pointing going on in Ninerland.
My new favorite Geno-Stan meme:
Only an idiot/non-football person/perj of choice would say Geno Sucks! (Literally no one saying this)
You can’t start Lock in 2024, he sucks! (If using stats, will off e the inverse logical argument used for why Geno is amazing)
Vent/rant….
All this is starting to put me off my team and the upcoming season. Watched Corbin’s show and a few other pieces yesterday and while he was fine I guess his cohost whom I normally like ( not Rob Rang who I actually like) on multiple occasions chortled that a “certain section of the fanbase,” probably won’t be happy next year….re:geno.
One time fine ha ha. More than that it just tells me you’re more vested in yourself than the team. Which is fine that’s how it is now.
How do you take people seriously when they don’t even know the team they cover? Repeatedly I hear about how “duh the 4th ‘best,’ qb in the draft can’t start they obviously need to sit and learn.”
When this team 12 years ago literally started the “6th best,” qb in his draft…..
Another hire.
I like the Frisman Jackson hire.
I’m not really understanding why people are down on him.
Likely because the Steelers’ offense was barren last year and has ranked in the lowest fifth of the league the last few seasons. Unfair to put that on the WR coach but the WRs in PIT did have a tendency to disappear for wide stretches.
Fix the D so that it can actually get off the field on 3rd down and not put so much pressure on Smith/Lock and neither of them will be put in positions where there shortcomings are magnified.
As per previous posts – and I get questioned for this so come at me – I say let’s take a go on Fields. Lou Hawk suggests a Geno trade to sit behind Williams – let’s just flip the QBs.
Re interceptions and fumbles compare these first three season stats between Fields and A.n.other:
GP 40/44
INT 30/31
Fumbles/Lost 38/31 and 31/12
Who is the other QB?
I’m only referring to these stats as interceptions and fumbles seem to be the main metric as to why Fields is a no go.
So because Fields compares to another player who also had a ton of turnovers, that justifies acquiring him?
He’s just not good. He isn’t a good passer of a football. He’s a great athlete. I don’t understand the hype. Maybe it’s fantasy football or the fact a lot of people liked him in the draft (I didn’t) but he just isn’t good. We need to start drafting QB’s and finding a long term answer. Fields isn’t it
Rob, Agreed, Fields is basically a poor man Lamar. The only reason he gots a lot of unnecessary hype is because he’s a running QB. The football media always hypes then hype. That’s why I don’t understand the Lamar hype. He’s the better passer but he’s proven time and time again he can’t win games with his arm. It was well known in the chiefs game and the loss against the bills in the divisional round 2020. Fields only became dangerous when he started using his legs. Before that he wasn’t a threat at all. It will be interesting if he stays in Chicago.
Fields’ accuracy is low level and he turns it over far too often. 2 kind of important factors for a QB. No offense intended here but I’ll be glad when someone else trades for him so people no longer suggest him for the Hawks. What will be interesting is if he gets traded before Geno, what the compensation will be. I do believe someone will take a chance due to his plus athleticism. However, if I were in the maret for an existing NFL QB , Geno would be by far my choice over Fields.
I’m with you. Hoping for news someone forks over a third from him to not be going round and round in it anymore.
I wonder if there is a chance that the Broncos will trade for him so that Sean Payton can try to turn him into Taysom Hill 2.0.
Lamar was a better passer in college than Just Fields is right now. Lamar had to learn to throw to have a chance for his teams to win. And he actually worked on it and got better.
Fields has gotten by on raw basics. And barely.
Well, he looks lost on the field, can’t go through progressions, has accuracy issues. And then the turnovers. That’s why he is no good.
This gets posted almost daily and no one is going for it. He isn’t good, doesn’t know how to play his position, and the team that drafted him doesn’t want him. Why would we waste any resources to get him and waste time proving what we already know: that he isn’t even fine.
Congrats, Rob. You’ve entered the realm of “Seahawks Twitter” celebrating blocking you for online clout. 😂
https://x.com/trumplostsuckit/status/1758333854635667641?s=46&t=jJY5PzfRfqxlTnRLJklz5g
Or, rather crowing that you blocked them, for clout. Nonetheless….
I spend absolutely zero time worrying about any of that. People send me links all the time to people slagging me off online. Block and move on.
I/we talk about Seahawks football. They talk about this. Let them
If you don’t want to share, that’s fine, but why did you block her? Looking through their X feed, I think I have a pretty good idea why. Seems like the type of fan that leaves nasty messages and sends poorly thought out and spelled emails.
A little while ago someone sent me some tweets she sent slagging me off. I have no tolerance for it. For some reason (see today) people send me these things. If you’re going to just slag us off, I’ll block and move on. That’s what I always do
I prefer to talk Seahawks and draft, churn out the content we do for people who want it. I don’t get involved in this nonsense — and that will never change
Got a chuckle out of it, as it’s proof positive of the “cult of Russ/Pete/Geno/etc” that has been decried here many years over. She’s one of the more egregious clout chasers and having Rob’s name in her mouth shows that Rob’s work is cutting into the narrative of these like minded persons.
If Rob doesn’t like having this broadcast on his site, Mea Culpa, but I think it’s hilarious.
It doesn’t bother me either way, if people want to talk about it
You’re never going to have everyone agree with you, or like you. Especially if you are in the business of forming opinions on sports teams
I’ll keep producing content for those who want it and spend no time worrying about the people posting stuff like this on Twitter
Woman with giant fake breasts who posts bikini photos and label’s herself “Twitter’s lead demon” is upset that Rob blocked her.
Won’t somebody PLEASE think of the children?!
😂😂😂
It’s just a bummer and I don’t blame you one bit. People can agree with you or not, but you consistently put out top notch content at a mind boggling rate. It seems like a chance for people that don’t agree with you to debate the merits of your thoughts vs. theirs, but they always just resort to name calling. Welcome to the internet, I guess.
💯💯💯💯
And thank you
Great stuff over the last few days Rob and cha. I’ve been enjoying the conversation too.
I think Geno is a perfectly cromulent QB. I think he could do what Purdy did this year or Goff or Garappalo or Foles or Flacco over the last handful of years. Too bad the rest of them isn’t there to have that type of playoff run.
I think a reason to keep Geno is because there is a value to having a QB that can execute an offense. It allows you to properly evaluate the rest of the offense and coaching staff. Look at the new WR coach. Is he good or can you not evaluate him because Pittsburgh QBs have been ass so you can’t even tell if the WR play improved?
The other benefit is he gives you a better chance to win and I think there is some value in winning, especially with a big transition. Now there may be plenty of confidence in the VMAC even if the team is 6-11 with Drew. But, it’s easier to say inside and outside of the building that the new guys are on the right track if they are 9-8 or 10-7 with no real SB chance other than going on a hot streak and have massive luck in their favor.
I’d still see what you can get for Geno, go into next year with Drew, Minshew, and a rookie. But I can see reasons for keeping Geno even if you don’t think he’s a legit top 10 QB with the ability to be in that non-Mahomes top tier.
Does that make sense or am I just spewing more nonsense?
It makes total sense.
There’s a whole bunch of reasons to be rolling with Geno next year namely lack of stock and options for qb of the future and whether Seattle sees any of them that way.
Nix= accurate Lock
Penix=no known mobility
Rattler=short, erratic
Mccarthy= system qb as a pejorative
Pratt= small school
Travis= ridder but can throw
Keep the continuity train going. Coaching assessment. And more importantly go into the next draft with your picks.
Ewers
Sanders
Leonard
TVD
Ward
Howard
Rogers
I don’t think next year is better than this year. I also do not think this year is better than next year.
That is a good point (and might be the best reason to keep Geno): so the rest of the offense has at least fine-to-good qb play to be evaluated.
It’s gonna be really interesting to see how John and Mike address the draft. We need a 2nd round pick back (thanks Pete). We have to draft the trenches. But we also have to draft a QB. It’s hard to determine who should be our first pick. I strongly believe Seattle will trade back.
Another staff hire
He’s been coaching over 30 years. I’m not familiar with him. “Seasoned” veteran coach to go balance some of the younger ones.
It certainly looks like we’re finally going the “comp pick in a few years” route. Hopefully some of these cats succeed enough here to get promoted elsewhere.
Great hire. He coached at USC, UCLA, and the Jaguars when they had MJD and Fred Taylor. His nephew is a certain Troy.
I love how all these Seahawk fans on twitter are talking about it being a badge of honor the they were blocked by Rob on twitter. Apparently Rob is all about his own ego, negative about everything the Seahawks do and doesn’t know anything.
Plenty of us out there defending Rob and his analysis, since most of these folks like all the feel good stuff other Seahawks reporters put out there.
I was told I must be a 12 since’12 because I don’t love Geno Smith. My reply was I have been a fan since the 80s, and I have seen plenty of bad QB play. Funny how there were no responses to that.
I haven’t listened to the Schneider interview from yesterday , but I am sure he didn’t drop any huge news or heaped effusive praise on Geno. Many, are saying he was saying Geno is their guy for next season and they want to run it back with Geno and Lock.
I don’t understand why so many think Geno is the guy that can get the Seahawks back into Super Bowl contention, if he has an improved O-line and the defense plays better.
I also don’t see how he is a perfect fit for Ryan Grubb’s offense, when I think Ryan Grubb is going to have to change something schematically to make it work in the NFL.