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  1. Trevor

    The cheap and cheerful approach produced the following results a year ago:

    — Spending $4.2m on Branden Jackson and Joey Hunt, squandering money that could’ve been used elsewhere in the first few weeks of the new league year

    — Spending $9.2m on B.J. Finney, Cedric Ogbuehi and Brandon Shell. Meanwhile, all-pro right tackle Jack Conklin cost the Cleveland Browns $8m in 2020

    — Using $13m on ageing players Greg Olsen and Bruce Irvin. Both missed most of the season through injury

    — $12.1m was spent on Benson Mayowa, Jacob Hollister, Quinton Dunbar and Mike Iupati

    The Seahawks ended up blowing about $50m and didn’t add a single difference maker.

    This makes me want to throw up and has to change this off season.

    My question is who would you prefer Thuney to Linsley?

    • Rhawk

      Man I would love to see us somehow pull off linsley and get aaron jones.
      The look on Rodgers face when he goes back to having no run game would be awesome…

      • Rhawk

        Maybe we could convince Wilson with that.

        Rodgers got an MVP playing behind linsley with Aaron jones now you can too

    • Ghost Mutt

      Jones just re-signed with the pack.

      4 years 48 mill.

      • BobbyK

        So much for RBs not getting paid.

        • Sea Mode

          Let’s wait for the details. It’s probably one of those effectively 2-year deals, I imagine.

      • jed

        Happy for him. I always root for players to get their $. Also glad it wasn’t the Seahawks who paid him this contract.

    • BobbyK

      I’d prefer signing Thuney and drafting Meinerz at 56 to solidify the OL. Then the biggest question would be RT. Shell before hurting his ankle was quite solid, the Shell after injury was the opposite of solid. This is the spot where you would like to actually have draft picks. Maybe draft a RT in the 3rd, 4th, or 5th and possibly see if they could take over for Shell in ’21 on a cost effective deal, instead Pete Carroll has such a narrow vision that he doesn’t get it. Or care to get it. Or too stubborn to get it.

  2. schuemansky

    PCJS will not make a big splash signing in week one of FA.
    Same procedure as every year.

    How will RW react?

    • J.P.

      Hopefully by opening up his list of teams.

  3. schuemansky

    Lattimore to NYJ for Darnold and the Hawks 2022 first.
    Ramczyk, NO 1st in 2021 and 2022, Darnold and our first for RW.

    • Julian Langdon

      I like this trade idea. I think NO might have to send a 4th to the NYJ with Lattimore to get Darnold and a 1st, and I’d add in NO 2021 2nd to us for RW, it needs to hurt them in the draft a little more.

  4. cha

    Ian Rapoport
    @RapSheet
    ·
    13m
    From
    @NFLNetwork
    : #Saints QB Drew Brees has finally officially retired, but New Orleans had already been working on a deal with Jameis Winston, the likely starter in 2021.

  5. Kyle

    Sounds terrible

  6. dand393

    This is crazy https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1371210999445983234?s=21

    • Sea Mode

      Cap maneuvering via void years. All the rage in 2021.

      • charlietheunicorn

        The Saints living up to their MO…. being way over cap for multiple years…. using a “loophole” to stay under when it suits them. No way they should be giving this guy 140M, irresponsible spending…. making things tough on them reloading than it really needs to be.

        • Rob Staton

          Well he isn’t getting $140m is he? They’re taking the piss. Out of the league and the Seahawks (it’s exactly the same as Wilson’s deal)

        • Tim

          Here’s a pretty good run-through of the situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeX4pNz95a0

          This is 100% cap maneuvering, and 0% paying Tayson Hill absurd amounts of salary. This is an extension that spreads his current year salary out and saves money vs the cap.

          At the end of the year, they void or renegotiate the contract. Why 140 million of non-guaranteed money? Maybe someone was having fun.

  7. Trevor

    My biggest fear is that PC/JS will do the same old same old and avoid week #1 of free agency or making a splash. Then then will be left with scrubs. The hit gold one year with Bennet and Avril with this apporach but it has been a disaster ever since as they have chosen to try and trade for impact players instead which has also been a disaster.

    Why not make an impact signing in free agency and trade some big contracts for draft capital instead. Would be nice if they would put their egos aside and learn from past mistakes but I have my doubts.

    I firmly believe they should trade both Adams and Wagner but predict Bob by will be back and Adams will get a huge extension that will be heralded in the local media. Then they will sign a couple of veteran OL off the scrap heap on week 2-3 of free agency and try to pawn it off as addressing the OL.

    • Brett

      This doesn’t address the resource-shifting part. But certain teams avoid (splashy) FA because teams that spend big there tend not to do very well.

      https://overthecap.com/nfl-team-spending-in-free-agency/

      • Mike

        Rather than look for what bargain bin guys they could try to make do with, it’d be nice if they just said:

        “Here’s guys that fit a vision of we want, lets get them on the team. We can then add value later.”

        • Gary

          That would require actually having a vision. Not making it up every year as they go along without a coherent plan.

  8. Trevor

    I was almost 100% certain Russ was going to be traded and I think PC / JS would like to but I think the only team on Russ’s 4 team wish list that made an offer was the Bears and I don’t see how they would have the ammo to make a great offer with Mack off the table.

    Worst case scenario more likely than ever. Russ comes back and does not want to be here. A year of passive aggressive back chanel media crap, a 10/6 season and 1st round playoff loss.

    • Rob Staton

      If the Seahawks wanted Mack he’d be part of the deal

      People are paying too much attention to this

      Be disappointed but let’s not act like it was Mack or bust

      • Trevor

        I agree Rob and I think the Bears are the only team really desperate enough to over pay I just don’t see what they have to offer to make a deal work. That roster is not loaded with young cheap talent.

        The only two players I would even be interested in were Mack or Jalon Johnson. I like Hicks and Fuller but both would be high priced one year rentals and don’t make sense. Therefore if there are no players of interest how could the Bears come up with enough draft capital to make it worth while considering they only have #20 this year and if they get Russ will likely be drafting at 20 or later the next 3 years. I just don’t see how the Hawks can get value from the Bears and the other teams don’t even seem to be interested.

        • Rob Staton

          Don’t obsess about the offer

          If they don’t have the players it just means more picks

          If they trade Wilson they will get a haul one way or another

          It’s just about if and when it happens

      • BruceN

        I think all the talk about mega offer Seahawks couldn’t refuse was all talk. JS didn’t get anything worthy of a pro bowler/HOFer/Franchise QB in his prime deal, otherwise I think Pete and John would’ve gone for it (he would’ve taken three 1st plus a couple of 2nds, plus Mack plus another player in a heart beat). I think we tried to get them to bid up and they didn’t bite. We have a chance to survive the status quo, Pace does not. He had a chance to be bold and he blinked. he’ll be fired unless he wins the division and goes deep in the playoffs (fat chance).

        • Rob Staton

          How do you know any of this?

          Too many assumptions Bruce

          • BruceN

            Sure, this is speculation on my part. I’m looking at the trail of bread crumbs. John and Pete have been quiet, Bears have been quiet, they just redid Mack’s contract, and now the Bears are leaking that they may not be done with Trubisky. (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/14/bears-havent-ruled-out-a-mitchell-trubisky-return-yet/ ). Are they playing hardball with the Hawks? Doesn’t make sense. They’re actually the most desperate in this situation with a HC and GM on the hot seat. Honestly I have always felt they have a mediocre roster and can’t afford to give up a haul to get Wilson.

            • Rob Staton

              You’re not following a trail of breadcrumbs.

              You just made a whole bunch of baseless assertions

              ‘John and Pete have been quiet’ isn’t a breadcrumb

  9. charlietheunicorn

    Look: Russell Wilson Reacts To The Drew Brees News

    First speculation was… look, RW is headed to the Saints.
    Ridiculous. He was paying deference to a legend within the NFL. No more and no less.

  10. Trevor

    My Top 10 Free Agent Wish List for the Hawks. I would take any 3-4 players off this wish list

    #1 Corey Linsley (C) Hawks need a leader to build the interior of the OL around regardless of who the QB is.

    #2 Joe Thuney (G) Tough and durable. If the Hawks can’t get Linsley then Thuney should be the next call.

    #3 Hassan Reddick (SAM) Would be an ideal young SAM LB to team with Brooks. If you had those two guys locked up long term it would make moving on from Wagner via trade this off season an much easier decision.

    #4 Curtis Samuel (WR) I prefer Golliday but think he will be too pricey for the Hawks. I think Samuel would be the perfect WR3 in Waldrons scheme running sweeps etc.

    #5 Richard Sherman (CB) This team needs to get some swagger back and get on the same page in the secondary. No one would do a better job in both regards than Sherm as they try and find some young talent to develop

    #6 Leonard Fournette (RB) Would be the ideal compliment to Penny, Dallas, Homer. A big bruising back who would help bring toughness to the round game. Caveat would have to be a cheap 1-2 year deal.

    #7 Sheldon Rankins (DT) The Hawks have been looking for a dominant 3 Tech for years. Rankins would excel in the Hawks scheme I think and he is still young.

    #9 Romeo Okwara (DE) Hate the idea of signing a guy off a career year as it seems you are buying high but he has improved every year and the light really seemed to come on last year.

    #9 Jadaveon Clowney (DE) I know people will roll their eyes but if he checks out medically the Hawks might get him for a steal and I still think he is on of the best DE on the market.

    #10 Eric Fisher (Flyer/ Injury Gamble)- I know Fisher is coming off an injury and may not even play most of next year but he is only 30 and when healthy a legit stating LT. The Hawks should try to lock him up to a long term deal at a discount with the idea that he will replace Duane Brown as our long term option at LT.

    • Sea Mode

      The more I think about it though, if we do trade for some more picks (Adams), might it make more sense to draft a C and LG since this is an excellent iOL draft in the first 3 rounds?

      Spend FA money on pass rush and maybe Sherm cause you don’t know if you will find those in this draft.

    • GoHawksDani

      From these, I’d choose Rankins, Okwara, Sherm, Fournette
      Ton of good iOL, WR3 options
      But not many good RBs for the Hawks (only 2-3), and they are hit’n’miss on the DL

    • pdway

      Putting aside the RW situation for a minute – which is obviously the biggest unknown – but assuming he stays.

      I do understand/respect the rationale noted on here for trading Adams – but I don’t see it happening. Still think that PC/JS saw a lot of what they hoped for when they tradde for him, and sinking all that draft capital cost after one season, I just don’t think they’ll do it.

      I also don’t think a Bobby trade happens – it would be a super ballsy move for them to move him, or force a re-structure of his salary (b/c I think it’s justified) – but they haven’t shown themselves to do that, and his stature as the loyal brain/leader of the defense makes it ever tougher.

      My best version of the off-season to come is that the pressure from Russell forces them to go out of character and sign one of the marquee O-lineman free agents; and then use their 2nd round pick to fill whatever most glaring need is left on the O-line (Guard or Center).

      I then hope and pray they re-structure/extend, to create enough money to sign two DE’s from your list (or the greater list of DE’s previously noted) – – it seems like a bigger than usual class of pass-rushers, if we could step and sign two of them, it could really change everything for the upcoming year.

      I’d love to find a way to keep Carson too (our run game has cratered every time he gets hur), but seems unlikely; same goes for Grififin. I’ll live w whatever we do for those positions if they upgrade the two lines.

      • Rob Staton

        They can’t pick four times in the draft and once in the top 130

        Something had to give

        • Rob Staton

          And before anyone says it — no they are not trading Tyler Lockett

        • Ryan

          Going to be frustrating to watch them trade back from #56.

    • dcd2

      I’m going to go out on a limb and bet we don’t sign a single one of these guys.

      • Simo

        Going way out on that limb huh?

      • Trevor

        Sadly you are most likely right.

    • BobbyK

      I’m more interested in your #91-100 free agents. Those are more realistic for the Seahawks or what they’re most likely to do.

  11. D-OZ

    And meanwhile the Hawks sit on their ARSES !!!!

  12. SeaTown

    I have no expectations for the Seahawks. I expect the same BS as last year. Just less of it. No faith at all in PC to turn this around. Three great off-seasons to start his Seahawk career followed by 7 mediocre to bad offseasons.

  13. no frickin clue

    Rob,

    Let’s play a game of “Choose Two”. I’ll give you three facets to the team, you say which two you would prefer, based on whichever choices bring you closer to a championship.

    A. Russell Wilson as Seahawks QB in 2021 and 2022
    B. A top-10 offensive line
    C. A top-15 defensive line

    We can use Football Outsiders metrics to gauge line quality, or perhaps PFF if that is a better indicator. I’m not sure.

    My point is that I don’t think, with the capital at hand, that the team can accomplish all three of these things (and very possibly cannot do even two of them if Russ stays put). But if other assets (*cough* Adams) get put up for sale, maybe they can.

  14. Gaux Hawks

    completely deflated by the silence… completely agree with rob that this should have been announced this weekend, trending south for the “trade russ” train, bummer.

  15. cha

    an Rapoport
    @RapSheet
    More juice for everyone: The #49ers and FB Kyle Juszczyk have agreed to terms on a 5-year deal worth $27M, source said. It is signed. They keep their offensive weapon, a priority they concentrated on early. Cup with straw Beverage box Tangerine
    3:29 PM · Mar 14, 2021

  16. Trevor

    My 5 bold predictions for the Seahawks free agent period. All of which I hope I am wrong about.

    – Hawks do not trade Russ and we have another mediocre team / year but with the added joy of Mark Rodgers passive aggressive media leaks all season.

    -Hawks do not trade Adam’s or Wagner and in fact sign Adam’s to a monster deal

    – Hawks do not sign any of the top tier OL free agents and go the bargain bin route once again.

    -Hawks do not sign a young elite pass rusher to a long term deal and once again head into the season looking to address the pass rush problem.

    • SeaTown

      Spot on. I think you go 5/5

      • Gohawks5151

        4/4?

    • Matt

      Absolutely my fear as well. PC would absolutely go this route – we can’t get rid of him fast enough.

    • king.

      Spot on.

    • Mike

      This is sadly what my gut tells me will occur.

      My only light at the end of the tunnel, is that every year the Seahawks manage to do something I didn’t anticipate that completely bewilders me.

      Maybe they’ll blow up the roster. Of course, they may just find a way to be shortsighted and get fleeced in another dumbfounding trade.

    • Big Mike

      Sigh. All so very, very likely.

  17. STTBM

    Perhaps they, like the Cowboys, weren’t too impressed with Russ naming teams he’d consider being traded to–especially since they all had qbs they liked except Chicago. I think it’s a Russ Dis…then again, the Raiders aren’t in love with Carr…

    • STTBM

      This was supposed to be a rely regarding the weird Taysom Hill fake contract….

    • DougM

      Apparently they are not in love with Wilson either. On their SB nation site a poll was taken and 76% said no to a trade for Wilson. I just can’t picture Wilson as a bad-ass Raider.

    • J.P.

      Quite frankly, I dunno why the Cowboys or any team with a decent QB already would trade for Russ. I’d rather just use the picks and build around Dak who is on the right side of 30 and seems to have potential. Seems like the Bears are just bidding against themselves which is really depressing.

  18. JHawk

    Take it with a grain of salt, but I know someone who works in Wilson’s orbit and that person said that the talks with Chicago are serious. This person was asked whether they would be willing to move to Chicago. I don’t know if it’s because it’s imminent or if they’re doing some logistical planning just in case. I guess we’ll see.

    • Sea Mode

      Hmmm 👀

  19. Sea Mode

    Huh, interesting.

    Mike Tannenbaum
    @RealTannenbaum
    ·7h

    As we’re about to start free agency; here is some much needed context. Only 4 teams made the playoffs in their first season after signing a $15M/player (‘19 Packers with Smith, ‘18 Chiefs w/Watkins, ‘17 Jaguars with Campbell, ‘16 Giants with Vernon) according to
    @ESPNStatsInfo

    • STTBM

      Uh, what about the Chiefs with Frank Clark–was that excluded because it was a trade-and-sign?

  20. Martin

    Call me a pessimist but yes – EXACTLY what I’m fearing.

    • Martin

      Reply to Trevor

  21. Mick

    Ravens get Zeitler, 22 mil for 3 years, not that we didn’t need a not too expensive guard… Bad start.

    • Sea Mode

      Mike Garafolo
      @MikeGarafolo
      ·1h

      Zeitler had interest from a few teams, including the #Seahawks.

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