I know its 2 different draft classes, but I really think Boye & D Hall are gonna be the pass rush version of Cross & Abe. Love what I’m seeing from both of them.
Great combo block from Cross here. Seattle got the better LT between him & Ickey whose struggling bad right now. Looks lost.
Yes, it’s preseason, but Boye Mafe looks every bit the game wrecker we thought we were landing when we drafted him. Wreaking havoc on every play. Hall is beastly as well and may benefit from a year or two of not having to be ‘the guy’. Goddamn, we might just have a legit pash rush for the next few years!
Also, if Dee Eskridge gets a roster spot and Jake Bobo doesn’t, I’m going to puke.
geoff u
Dee will be exempt the first six games or cut.
I don’t think there’s any chance Bobo doesn’t make this team, his special teams ability alone is worth it. He’s as much of a lock as Lock.
Palatypus
I’m watching Isiah Foskey get chewed out on the sideline by Dennis Allen right after a Chargers touchdown run where they were fooled badly.
I’m glad we didn’t draft that guy. He was bad at the Senior Bowl and he’s bad now.
Palatypus
While the Saints have been a clown car of penalties tonight, board favorite Smoke Monday is having a good night.
geoff u
The run defense ain’t going to be great, no doubt. I’m not convinced re-signing any of the d-linemen from last year, like Al Woods, would help considering we had them and they sucked at it. I am concerned that there’s no real plan, but at the same time pass rush is king and we’re building one hell of a pass rush group.
I think it’s clear we’re going to try and pass a lot early to build a lead, then lean on our run game and pass rush to finish games. Good defenses and run games will be our Achilles heal, and both together will be deadly. Unfortunately that means conference foes like SF, Philly, and Dallas, are going to tough tough outs.
I think it’s more important to reflect on what could’ve been done, or could still be done, than merely saying it is what it is, though
geoff u
Sure. I mean, I agree with what ya’ll are saying, but their handling of the run game is just as puzzling to me as their handling of Jamaal Adams. I, personally, can’t make sense of it.
Palatypus
CBS Sports is reporting that we signed Demarcus Mitchell and waived JOrdan Ferguson.
While the Patriots needed to clear some room in order to sign running back Ezekiel Elliott last week, making the move to release Mitchell, who participated in 310 snaps on special teams last season and tallied eight tackles, was an unexpected cut.
So they cut and added a DE, apparently to improve the special teams. Could this be leading up to a trade?
My bad! Had to walk the dog and didn’t see this mentioned at the end of the video.
Elmer
Signing Mitchell is intriguing for the potential boost it could give to special teams. The middle of the D line still needs help though.
509 Chris
The more I think about it I think moving Taylor might make sense. Not sure if you could find someone to do a straight across trade for a bigger body but if so that makes sense. I don’t see a world where Seattle pays him with a plethera of young edge rushers behind him and Nwosu already taking up a chunk. The only other option is a corner but will Burns or Jackson be enough to get a serviceable DT?
Seriously hoping the team is indeed moving back to fronts more resembling a 4 3. (Did anyone else feel like thats what they were showing?) If so it makes adding another body much easier and the scheme is easier for linebackers. Ugh either way I don’t see a way the run d gets sorted out this close to the season. They’ve drafted so well but mismanaged almost everything else since the Wilson trade. I cant think of another organization thats always so good at being 1 step above average.
Palatypus
We did acquire an extra mid-round pick from Denver (suckers) that we could use.
And yeah, it did look like there were a lot of four man fronts in the “doughnut” or “Tycho” defense yesterday.
I was thinking trade a CB and Taylor, or a different OLB (but Taylor does make most sense imo) for some DL beef. Taylor is good sack guy, who is an ERA next year, that has some value. Plus we can offer a sold starting caliber CB: MJ, Brown, or Burns. Leave your picks in tact.
samprassultanofswat
Gut feeling is that we will not see Devon Witherspoon early in the season. So all this talk about trading Michael Jackson is nonsense. It would be nice to see Witherspoon in the slot against the Rams. Don’t think that will happen. However, both Trey Brown and Koby Bryant are guys playing with a chip on their solder.
However, in the case of Cameron Young. Different story. No Cameron Young would be a huge hole in the run defense. That opposing offensive coordinators would not overlook. Don’t understand how John Schneider always seems to leave the Seahawks on the short end of the stick at DT.
Gut feeling is that we will not see Devon Witherspoon early in the season.
Gut feeling you’re right, but we’re not exactly out on a limb here are we? Wonder when he will play and then will he get hurt early in his return?
5th overall pick in the draft……..smdh. *Sadness*
Peter
Still hopeful. Though concerned about Pete going into “bleak,” Pete speak discussing Witherspoon.
Please don’t let this turn out to be the other 9-10 times the first selection was a whiff, bust, or other term for a wasted pick.
Blitzy the Clown
Was talking about an in-season trade for Jackson, like we made for Diggs in 2019. Presumably Witherspoon isn’t out the entire season, and we also have Arte Burns warming the bench behind Woolen/Brown.
So it’s nonsense to say that talk of trading one of them at some point this season is nonsense
clbradley17
On Drew Lock’s injury – Head coach Pete Carroll added, “It sounds like he’s going to be fine after the evaluation. He got a little bit of a strain in the back of his knee, it got hyperextended a little bit, but there’s no damage, so they think that he’ll play next week.”
So he just got a hyperextended knee with a knee strain, but let’s push him to play again next week shortly before the season starts.
By the way, am I the only one that thought the Sam Williams hit on him was a cheap shot? Without saying so, it sounded like Mike Bennett thought so too. Said he “dove” at his knee. Bastard should be fined.
LouCityHawk
Dirty play by a dirty player.
Sam Williams had 1st round talent, dropped league wide because of character concerns.
There have been too many dirty plays this preseason, don’t know if it is a sign of things to come for the season.
League won’t care until some rando gator rolls Mahomes (or the like).
First of all I totally agree about Michael Bennett sideline reporter, the unfiltered Michael Bennett why are DL so slow off the ball nevertheless I do seem to recall Michael Bennett having a few defense offside penalties.but Michael Bennett is definitely interesting.And I also agree with you about the DLine I think Mcvay and Shanahan are both pretty smart guys and probably thinking can you say run the ball then run the ball again and go play action pass .I could be wrong .
LouCityHawk
Clint Hurtt, crossing routes and 3rd down checkdowns are still at the top of my concern list for 2023.
Re: Run D/DLine – I’m loathe to repeat myself, but it takes 2 to sign, and I’m not convinced that a DLine signing prove it deals want to play with Seattle in that space eater role. Playing in a system that allows for splash plays and bigger pay days is more desirable. A Greg Gaines type may have signed, but for a price well over the $3Mil.
The points on Cross are really well taken, I hated the Cross pick, and was pleasantly surprised by his play last year, he still has a long way to go in my book. I believe Brown’s presence will help both tackles tremendously.
The Geno discussion was good as well, there appears to be some fans with an unexplained and vehement dislike of Drew Lock, Geno said it himself – Drew Lock is a starting NFL QB. My feeling is the Bucs did not sign him because they intend to tank for Caleb. Geno and Drew are both curiosities for the league, neither have traditional arcs, both may be really good – I can’t remember modern versions of either QB path.
For those keeping track of the rookie QBs (still early days):
Young and Stroud looked better (they almost had to)
Richardson is sitting until week 1 (enormous mistake in my book)
Levis is dinged up.
Bennett came back to earth. Jaren Hall is not a NFL QB.
Rourke, Tune & Tanner are showing signs of being useful.
DTR still looks like Seneca Wallace – Malik Cunningham didn’t see the field (bummer)
AOC (Aidan O’Connell) is looking incredibly good, needs to see higher competition. JimmyG looked good in limited preseason work (imagine that), but O’Connell is playing really well. I hate this because O’Connell opted to not attend a real university (sad).
Mentioning QBs because CFB is just getting started (pumped) and I expect Seattle to again be in the discussion for QBs (along with DLine, ILB, OLine, and weapons). If you read Rob’s work on the QBs you know this QB middle class will be thick – and a lesson I’m taking from the 2023 class is that there might be 3 or 4 really good QBs not named Caleb.
Peter
Re: the d line.
Could it be that Seattle has just never been good at building either via draft or FA the dline.
In this era they’ve had Bennett the luckiest get ever. Jarran Reed whom they let go for a time. And now Jones. That’s three players over 14 years.
It’s always seemed to me Seattle just gets by until something no longer works.
Maybe Gaines or others hate Seattle. I hear from fans that FA’s love Seattle. So I’m not sure. Also I’m not sure why Gaines, per example, would sign with the Bucs on a prove it deal when they are also tanking for Williams.
Maybe it’s as easy as the process is flawed. John saying anyone can play NT…?…perhaps. for me when a team has drafted exactly just reed and everyone else has been a try-hard like poona ford doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that they know or care what they are doing there.
LouCityHawk
I think back to the early days and recall a lot of churn, getting in Clemons, Bennett, Avril, etc…
Much like the OLine, I feel like there was a flaw in the analysis and scheme that kept them picking up busts. Now they have seem to have a good idea of what they are doing. WR/RB depth as well.
I picked Gaines, for example, because he is developing a Creed Humphrey-esque following. It isn’t hate, it is system and numbers – DT who rack up stats can get bigger paydays. So where do you want to play, which system – and who are you playing alongside? Wins don’t matter for these types of players. Woods comments matter, heck, Collier’s comments matter.
My take is that they are unlikely to overpay in a trade with picks again (see: Prez), the FA cupboard is bare, and so they have to roll with what they got (DT trade potential noted).
I’m nearly positive they had their eyes on a Benton/Dexter/Young(Ala)/Pickens in the third round and didn’t expect them all to be gone. I also think they were aggressive in the prime DLine market, and secondary DLine market. Would we feel better with a Zach Allen or Benton in house? Definitely. Does the Prez contract make all of this unnecessarily harder? Yup.
Addressing the DLine is likely going to have to wait for 2024. I like this class and think it to be deep at DT (Rob may differ, and the CFB season hasn’t started yet). The 2024 off-season should follow 2022 & 2023, look for QBotF, prioritize premium positions, look for value. It took two off seasons to get the OLine to people feeling better about it, it will take another season of development and more investment for it to really be a strength. If the 2023 DLine feels like triage, it probably is because it is, with 3 positions instead of 5 – hopefully it gets better sooner.
Peter
Not really begun digging into the 2024 dline class. Partly because I don’t know what Seattle is looking for.
I’d agree it’s triage. But this kind of a long time of not drafting and/or developing players at nearly any spot along the front three or four per alignment.
The process in Seattle is strange overall. Look at the DB depth. How on earth did we get to the point where there are too many safeties and Cb’s? Good problem probably. But strange still.
Looking towards next year I have a hunch Lewis is going to play himself into a big guard contract that Seattle won’t pay. Leaving the interior oline soft unless Brown and Haynes show something. Brown is showing he can play. But that’s a big chasm from “guy playing,” and someone that matters.
LouCityHawk
A case could be made in the modern NFL that you can never have enough pass rushers, tackles, cornerbacks, and wide receivers.
I agree with you on Lewis, and think that Bradford was drafted in part replace him. Brown is pretty damn good, and I think Olu can become a long-term answer at Center. My suspicion/hope is that they will continue to add Bradford types at guard every year.
I tend to believe that there has been a shift that started in 2022. This next season and off-season will really be the proof about whether this shift is permanent.
I can’t remember modern versions of either QB path.
Don’t know how far back you want to go but Jim Plunkett immediately comes to mind. Kenny Stabler as well. He actually was in minor league football for a very brief time. I watched him play a game for the Spokane Shockers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane_Shockers
Peter
Kurt Warner just drifting for four years before he got a chance and the right system.
LouCityHawk
Far enough back to remember seeing Plunkett in person.
I recall him, and Gannon/Hostetler (what is it with Raiders).
Doug Williams and Warren Moon both came to mind as well.
Post-2000 I’m struggling trying to think of like players.
One thing to watch if Drew Lock does indeed play against Green Bay is how much play-action they give him.
He is deadly when running it, even back to his Denver days. It allows him to use his athleticism in his feet and gives him time to scan the field – besides the usual drawing the linebackers and safeties up.
They ran PA about 33% of pass plays last year with Geno.
If Lock gets playing time, would they utilize it much more or would they try to fit Lock into the Geno pattern?
BK26
Man I hope they use it at that rate with him. With our running backs and how simple it can make reads? Bit of a no-brainer. Put in his ability to run (not top of the line, but VERY under-rated) and defenses could be running around in circles.
I almost hear schools down here around Kansas City complain about playing him in basketball more than football. Shows how good of an athlete he is
Blitzy the Clown
If he’s truly ok I hope he gets at least a few series to try some of those out. Going back over the highlights of the win over Dallas and every sweet reception was delivered by a very good to fantastic throw by Lock.
I remember he played great at the Shrine game early 2022. They asked Panthers head coach how McCall went from starter to cut in 2 weeks.
“Mike Kaye of The Charlotte Observer then asked Reich to quantify the parting of ways with McCall, who seemed to be the prototypical nose tackle at 6-foot-3 and almost 350 pounds.
“It’s in multiple ways,” he said. “I don’t wanna really—it’s a very fair question, ’cause you’re right. Just body type and other ways you think he is the traditional 3-4. And that’s why I think he’s gonna be on a roster.
“I think for us in our scheme, there’s more nuances to it than the traditional thing. So, I’ll just leave it at that.”
Blitzy the Clown
I was perusing team depth charts for a hidden opportunity the other day and McCall was their 1st team NT. What happened?
From the link that Cha posted above: McCall started the team’s first preseason game and made three tackles, but moved back to the bench behind Raequan Williams against the Giants last Friday night.
Elmer
I really hope that our roster can get past being excited by all the players waived or released by other teams. I think we are getting there, with the exception of a few position groups.
LouCityHawk
There is a thought cluster about Prez that I am still chewing on:
Is there a reason why the Seahawks need to make a move on his salary now/what would be the benefit to the team doing it now?
Is it more prudent to let him sit, until the team has urgency for the flexibility, then press him to restructure or cut?
Right now if DT would fetch the right interior player, cutting Prez outright is still a viable business move. Asking him to restructure, then cutting him if the chance arose seems like it could sour the locker room.
Much easier to negotiate for a reduction if you say, “Prez, we are trading for Zach Sieler, huge get right. We need a deal in place to sign him to sign him now, we need you to restructure.” Versus, “we want to power your pay because you’ve been hurt, and want flexibility.”
As a vested veteran player, his full $11m salary for 2023 becomes guaranteed week one.
Right now, only $2.56m is guaranteed. They have two weeks and change and the window to gain $8.44m in cap room closes for good.
People are saying ‘they can’t cut him because that would be $24m dead cap’ but the chances that he does not significantly help the team this year are at least 50/50 with the seriousness of his injury. So letting him sit on his deal effectively means they’re increasing that dead cap to $32m and would likely cut him next year anyway. If they don’t adjust his deal or cut him, they’re betting a whopping $8.44m that he will be healthy and effective this year.
Palatypus
Here’s my theory.
Remember how Tyler Lockette is now doing real estate. My guess is he is building a really expensive house for Jamal and he’s got a deal with Pete that right when it gets done and the money comes out of escrow, HE’S GONE!
I’m to ask you cha and Lou if you know or have thoughts, please chime in (and yes, I know this is a reach and maybe I’m missing something here):
is it possible that Adams agent negotiated a clause in his contract (that we’re obviously not aware of) that will not allow the Seahawks to renegotiate the amount he is being paid and/or negotiated a clause that does not allow them to cut him for X number of years (from the signing date)? It wouldn’t be a “fully” guaranteed deal, for the announced length of the contract but for the partial length as in through this coming season.
I mean what the hell else makes sense with this guy other than they’re going to do something before week 1 as you guys mentioned.
I suppose it is not out of the realm of possibility.
Two things make it very unlikely though:
1-his agent would have announced it from the rooftops. Agents are all about finding their next client.
2-Mike Florio got a copy of the contract 24 hrs after it the deal was done and did a post on it. He did not mention any such provision, and with his lawyer’s skills and ability to sniff out a potential story, he would have mentioned it.
LouCityHawk
Those were both of my initial thoughts.
My last guess is that they don’t want to send a message that if you get injured on the field they will not honor your contract. Which would be great but for the Cap.
And Pete Carroll’s ego is not a logical reason. It may be, in fact really seems to be, the reason but it ain’t logical.
no frickin clue
Leaving him on the roster enables the chance (however slim) that he actually comes back and plays well this season.
Counterpoint: hope is not a strategy.
The return from this trade…horrendous. No one likes to buy high and sell low, but sometimes you just have to lick your wounds, admit failure, and move on. I wish they would do this.
What I find so bizarre, but maybe I shouldn’t, is how Seahawks media treats the Adams situation as if OF COURSE we would keep him, he’s too big a chess piece of this defense, like entertaining any questions over cutting him are absurd. A lot of the stuff that MSD writes on The Athletic takes on this undertone. Others as well.
Why admit you were wrong and move on from Percy but not Adams? That makes so very little sense.
LouCityHawk
As good a reason as any.
So there is a limit to the team’s flexibility.
The dead cap argument that people make has never really made sense to me.
Thomas
I’d rather see Lock over Geno this season.
I don’t think their win totals would be that different. If the offense is so good that a journeyman qb could thrive, why not try the one with the athleticism? Lock could be the poor-man’s Mahomes in this offense.
Treat Geno’s new contract like Matt Flynn’s.
BK26
I’d rather go with the guy who beat out the other one, and led the team to the playoffs. Lock is still unproven in the league. Geno has at least done something, even if it is only for a half of a season. Lock’s biggest issues have been with decision making. Geno showed that he doesn’t have the same level of problem.
Let’s not compare Lock to any form of Mahomes. Still a kid that hasn’t beaten anyone out and only has a one-year contract. It’s still preseason only.
All Lock has done is shown that he deserves to be in the mix for the qb spot in the future. Still a bigger step than what I thought he could take, and a HUGE step for him. But we are still trying to win in an open NFC. Can’t be the guy if you can’t beat the guy.
I watched a couple minutes of your buddy over at TB commenting on the win against the Cowboys. Just how a broken clock is right twice a day, he mentioned WR Young kept dropping passes and Bobo looks much better.
Last year JS said Young was in the mold of Deebo. But at least Deebo catches the ball before having a lot of YAC. Seems like actually catching the ball first is integral to the process. Over and over we see Young dropping the ball even when it hits him in the hands.
Trying to figure out how a 214 pound LB with bad shoulders, who only plays on passing downs for blitz packages won’t be picked up real easy by the opponent. At least when he first got here there was the surprise factor.
On the plus side, instead of being the 3rd highest paid safety, he’d become the 10th highest paid linebacker…
bmseattle
good point! Much more palatable.
Peter
Exactly. No more hand wringing about having so much money tied up in the safety room.
Peter
I did the same thing and checked the numbers as well. It’s actually so stupid it makes me smile. 10th highest paid LB who is not a three down player…..feels fairly perfect for this situation.
Gross MaToast
My annual list of the top ten players the Seahawks absolutely, positively cannot do without:
1. Jamal Adams. Nothing screams that this is a Pete Carroll team louder than the remarkable perseverance of #33. Injuries, more injuries, a lack of familiarity with the playbook, injuries and a seeming disinterest in all things football have not stopped this legend in his own mind from getting paid as if he were one of the best players in the game, even as he boasts a highlight reel that is ‘light’ on ‘highlights.’ We all remember where we were the night he was drilled in the face with a football from 30 yards away and the night he was pointing to teammates even as he futilely chased after a receiver who’d run right past him. They may be the same night – actually, they may be every game. Regardless. The man has ‘Always Compete’ tattooed on his heart. Maybe there are better players out there at 20% the cost, maybe even less, but where’s the heart? Jamal may play this season. Jamal may not play this season. It doesn’t matter, because three years ago, Pete Carroll realized that he’d named Ken Norton Jr as his DC and not only was KNJr in over his head, it didn’t really matter because Pete forgot to put together a pass rush. Raise your hand if you haven’t forgotten to put together a pass rush. That’s what I thought. Anyway…Boom – Jamal. My favorite player.
While reading this I couldn’t help but be reminded of those real men of genius commercials.
Sea Mode
LOL
Raise your hand if you haven’t forgotten to put together a pass rush. That’s what I thought.
EJ McGee
I wonder if Drew Lock had the mindset in last year’s preseason like he was behind in the QB race, so if there was any chance of him starting, he really had to let it fly come what may. Of course he had a rough outing, with some turn-overs. This pre-season, he’s not going for the starting role, there’s less pressure and he’s a bit more composed. Nice to see
Ian Rapoport
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Jonathan Taylor’s agent Malki Kawa has begun the process of calling teams. It won’t be cheap, but there is interest.
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Sources: The #Colts have given star RB Jonathan Taylor permission to seek a trade, and conversations to find potential landing spots are ongoing. Several GMs and talent evaluators were informed earlier today that Taylor is available.
They have $34m in cap now and will be at least $56m in the red in 2024.
Field Yates
@FieldYates
The Browns have restructured the contract of DE Myles Garrett, creating $12.868M in 2023 cap space, per source.
Cleveland now has close to $34M in cap space, easily the most in the NFL.
3:14 PM · Aug 21, 2023
geoff u
Had to do a double take there. Most available this year, second least available next year. What the hell’s going on in Cleveland?
Brodie
If you have a young, good player on a bigger deal already, I think there’s not much downside to a move like this. Assuming the owner has the cash to write the check.
Gives them maximum flexibility to sign anyone who might get cut or to make a trade. And what they don’t use just rolls forward as cap offset for next year.
Absolutely correct. They have options now to really go for it this year and next if they want to get another premium piece.
MK Cabot also reported that they converted Garrett’s 2024 and 2025 base salaries to option bonuses. More room and more flexibility.
There’s another factor in all this that nobody is talking about: The Browns are guaranteeing more money to Garrett with these moves. Option bonuses are really hard to take back, and Garrett’s contract runs out of guaranteed salary after 2023. Any more restructuring and they could end up fully guaranteeing this contract that he signed 3 years ago.
At this moment in time, that’s fine because he is absolutely earning every penny of his contract and then some.
Myles Garrett is only 1 year into his 5 year contract. They can’t really rip it up and yet they can’t ignore his play.
They’ve got him for $25m AAV. Joey Bosa’s getting $27m, TJ Watt $28m and reports are Nick Bosa’s deal are going to eclipse or get close to Aaron Donals’ $31m. Meanwhile Garrett’s contract keep his AAV as is until 2027!
So what they’re doing is a nod to Garrett. You’ll get all your salary up front, and a couple more years locked by guarantee and we’ll get cap flexibility.
It is true. Seahawks Draft Blog shirts are only made with the softest scrotum hairs of virgin goats in the Scottish Highlands. There they suckle on magical mountain moss while listening to the gentle chorus of The Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin, sang by a coven of Dryads.
Robbie
I laughed maybe a little hard at this LOL!! I need one!!
BK26
All I hear are the goats from Thor: Love and Thunder….and then it cutting to Jimmy Page opening up the song….hahaha!
Palatypus
My next task is to go out to the National Naval Aviation Museum and “Rob” an F-14.
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Seahawks’ first-round pick Jaxon Smith-Njigba broke a bone in his wrist on the play in which he almost scored Saturday night. He will have it surgically repaired today in Philadelphia.
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Seahawks’ first-round pick Jaxon Smith-Njigba is undergoing wrist surgery today in Philadelphia, but still could have a chance to be ready for the start of the regular season, per sources. Surgery will determine how long he will miss. He hurt his wrist Saturday night vs. Dallas.
BK26
I saw this and just laughed as a coping mechanism. All these amazing new players and they have all been hurt one way or another already.
Mine is telling myself that last year K9 had hernia surgery and he turned out pretty good.
Palatypus
Better to put a bolt in it now than to have him suffer through it all season.
Palatypus
How much more comfortable would we have been with that hernia surgery last year if we had Charbonnett?
Brodie
Such a bummer. There have been a load of rookie injuries. Most should be ok, but frustrating to lose development for these young guns. I know we talked about all of these guys leading up to the draft.
JSN
BJ Ojulari
Demarion Overshown
Darius Rush
Ventrell Miller
Devone Achane
Jordan Addison
Izzy Abanikanda
Nolan Smith
Calijah Kancy
Will Levis
Emmanuel Forbes
Kenny McIntosh
Palatypus
Meanwhile in Washington, the CB that played opposite Devon Witherspoon at Illinois made a hell of a play last night.
Nice recovery and balls skills, but he got torched off the line. A good throw and that’s 6.
Palatypus
To me it looked like there was no way that receiver was going to keep his toes in bounds and that he perfectly used the sideline as an extra defender.
He barely stayed in bounds himself on the replay.
Brodie
The DT was hitting the QB as he threw and so the ball had no zip and floated. If he steps into that and puts it toward the back of the end zone, the WR had him beat by 4 yards.
Again, it was a nice recovery, but that DT gets most of the credit in my book.
ShowMeYourHawk
Oof. So many little bones in the wrist that can be effected and will need time to heal. My only real worry is his ability to push off of coverage or instinctively using his hand to brace his fall after a tackle.
Also, I blame Drew Lock for the pass that broke the bone because….. insert reason here.
Romeo A57
Someone needs to encase Charbonnett and Hall in Buble Wrap immediately. I sure can wait to see all of the Seahawks top rookies on the field at the same time.
Gross MaToast
Not to toot my own horn, but beep beep..
Gross MaToast says:
April 27, 2023 at 7:44 pm
Massive fail in my book. I don’t think either player in the 1st was the BPA and I don’t think either will be able to stay on the field. All they’ve done is assure that the IR will be crowded for years to come with these top two. What a waste all around.
…and we haven’t even reached hamstring season yet.
I literally LOL’d. Gross has a new nick on the site.
Peter
Whoa. Toastradamus indeed.
I feel ya though. I’ve long been cautious about my optimism for pick five. As soon as I heard Richardson to Indy…..and that he most likely (?) Wasn’t an option anyways I dreaded who they would pick at five.
I know he had that seahawky vibe but that size and style are a mismatch at the pro level. Hope I’m completely off on this and he balls out.
Then. The JSN pick. A not fast slot reciever who babied the season….but I get it. Then the reports coming out said I was wrong and I was starting to get stoked on the pick.
Hope, like Cha, that he’s more KW and less
…well most every other seahawk who gets injured this close to opening day.
I have far more hope for JSN than I do for Spoon as a long term quality player for Seattle and for the size reasons you and others have mentioned.
Henry Taylor
Not sure an injury minor enough that he might be back before week 1 is exactly reason to take a victory lap on that prediction. These things happen, JSN has looked fantastic so far.
Peter
Maybe too soon for a “victory lap.” 19 days to recover from surgery might be pushing it.
Again hope both ball out. Still waiting on Witherspoon who is now trending into: will he be in game day fitness having not played a game or all practices for almost nine months.
JSN has shown very well this off season and you’re right things happen.
I don’t believe there’s a snowball’s chance he’ll be in “game day fitness”. I think about the best we can hope for is like week 3 or 4.
Peter
And that’s if he’s practicing full speed starting now.
Toastradamus
Listen, I don’t get many chances at ‘victory laps,’ so I’m taking it, but still hoping to be very wrong in the long term…although I won’t be. Damn this ability to portend disaster!
Malanch
“The IR will be crowded for years to come with these top two. What a waste all around.” –Gross MaToast prediction
The future isn’t past yet, Gross MaToast. We must see both Witherspoon and Njigba on IR “for years”—and the team’s total draft investment in the two must ultimately and comprehensively be proven “a waste”—before you can celebrate. If your prediction comes to pass, then I promise to help you with the administration of your back-pattings. Till then, the present IR game count is Witherspoon 0, Njigba 0.
Peter
If JSN plays week one….it’ll be almost like he wasn’t injured at all.
Followed a thread of a bunch of doctors and hand therapy specialists giving time lines and outcomes. Got a little gloomy reading the outcomes.
Gross MaToast
Pete, Week 4, responding to a question about JSN getting back:
“Jaxon has a legit hand.”
Peter
Okay! Coffee spitting time😅
Gaux Hawks
What would Taylor’s trade value be worth, 2R24??
Brodie
Grover Stewart + JT for Jamal Adams and DJ Dallas seems like the appropriate value to me.
Their skill player depth will be razor thin if Taylor gets traded for picks.
ShowMeYourHawk
Oof. So many small bones in the wrist that are delicate and need time to heal. My only real concern is him being able to push off of coverage or him instinctively using his hand to brace himself from the ground after impact. Don’t know how much run blocking he was going to be doing but that’s be effected, as well.
I really enjoyed it. Pete was pretty open about a lot of things
Henry Taylor
Warms my heart to seeing the bridges rebuilt with the old guard.
GoHawks5151
Amen. Hopefully Earl eventually
Palatypus
Yeah, let’s get Earl, his brother and his ex-wife together for a YouTube sit down.
STTBM
And the girl in the hotel?!
No thanks, I’m done with Earl. The guy who wore a robe and crown to his wedding then did that stuff is a guy I lost all respect for. Us his behavior on the Ravens was so bad the whole team wanted him gone.
Head trauma related or not, that dude is headed for a bad end.
I enjoyed it but after all the nonsense Sherm was part of regarding ‘that’ play, I thought he chickened out of getting into that.
Pete’s answer, FWIW, is absolutely spot on. And it’s crazy that so many of the team destroyed a dynasty over that moment and cooked up ridiculous conspiracy theories about ‘who Pete wanted to be MVP’
This was Sherman’s chance to have even a respectful discussion about it and he offered nothing and skirted around it
I can’t help but watch this interview and think of how it reflects upon a lot of the themes talked about here the past few years, i.e. whether PC’s heart is still in it, whether the team has become his vanity project, whether he is ceding control, whether gimmicks like “Tell the Truth Monday” still have credibility.
I don’t know, I watch this video and I feel some kinda way. I start to believe again. PC is some sort of Zen Master. This “generation” has the ability to be “great”. I don’t know, just can’t wait for football to start!! LFG!
BK26
I’ve kind of had that feeling return somewhat from watching KJ’s podcast. Especially when guys that Mebane and Red Bryant were on. There was something there was I know was very unique for a team. I’m thinking that Pete does do something special (and hoping that it is happening again).
Let’s hope it is only 3-4 weeks. I want JSN on the field from day 1…but not too soon if at all possible.
Peter
Ken Walker had surgery August 17th last year and didn’t play week one. Maybe he was suited up I don’t recall. Then was eased in a bit following.
I know it’s only a five day difference but three weeks is out week one for sure. Four weeks may push it until the third game if prognosticatin’ Pete can be counted on for a time line.
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#Seahawks coach Pete Carroll with a timeline on the surgery for rookie Jaxon Smith-Njigba. Sounds like Week 1 is a longshot.
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Pete Carroll said JSN had a slight fracture and they want to make sure to do things right. 3-4 week issue and they’re staying optimistic about his timetable.
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Mike Morris recently had a shoulder procedure, Pete says. Pete sounded worried about that one. Not clear when he’ll be back.
Can’t believe they didn’t have more bodies ‘competing’ if nothing else
Brodie
This has the earie familiarity of years past. One glaring weak spot that wasn’t properly addressed – despite the obvious need.
Where in week 4 we’re talking about needing to make a trade because we’ve given up 100 yards to Cam Akers, Miles Sanders and Saquon and are facing Mixon and Chubb in 2 of the next 3.
We’re one week away from 1200 players being cut. Need to pull a couple of big DL out of that group and the fact that I’m counting on cut players to fix the DL depth is deflating.
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Pete Carroll said it looks like S Jamal Adams will be activated off PUP tomorrow or Wednesday. The idea there is that Adams would then be allowed to take part in walk-throughs; he would eventually be eased into practice but not right away.
“It’s in our conversation right now and there’s a chance we’ll have him back out here tomorrow,” Carroll said. “That’s a big step for him to go forward, but it isn’t a step that means he’s going to be out practicing yet. We want to get him in the flow, looking at the weeks we have to build up and looking at the preparation time. He’s ready to do that, and I brought it up to him and he responded really well. I think tomorrow or the next day we’ll get that done.”
Full quote from Carroll. Doesn’t seem like Adams is the one pushing to get out there.
STTBM
Cade Johnson is out of the concussion protocol after 12 days. Good for him!
Seattle signed another U of Montana kid, WR Malik Flowers, a great kick returner in college.
I’m sick to hear JSN is hurt. Mike Morris too. This team is already wrecked by injuries before the season even begins!
3 questions from the press today about Pete doing sprints and throws in practice.
The third one Pete starts laughing as if…’you’re really asking me about this?’
//facepalm
STTBM
Vulcan strikes again….
I thought he looked feeble. He’s 70, not 80….I just spent part of today working with a guy who is 65 and can still do manual labor installing 50 foot culvert pipes. He can run a 200 lb Wacker packer like a boss. I’m far more impressed with him than Carrols silliness…
Wow, another amazing interview with the forgotten LOBer. Brandon has obviously used his prison time as a opportunity to grow and heal. Looks like he will be eligible for parole in November.
Possibly. Lot of people jumped on the bandwagon after 2012.
James P
I could definitely believe it. Went to a superbowl party and Hawks were very well represented. When you see merch out and about I’d say Raiders, Pats and Hawks seem to be most common.
Ground_Hawk
This demonstrates, if nothing else, a complete lack of sports journalism acumen. It really is pathetic to hear that that is what sports journalists in Seattle are asking the head coach of Seattle’s NFL franchise.
i have my concerns on the lack of depth on this 3-4 defense DL
i recall Bennett mentioning the Seahawks lack a 5 technique
any chance this team goes back to a 4-3 alignment with a 5 Tech?
i really dont like seeing other teams run over this dee again for another season
Clint Hurtt mentioned he was tired of answering if the Seahawks can stop the run but based on what i have seen in preseason it looks like a lack of personnel all over again and Hurtt will be answering the same questions again.
i would rather have a 4-3 with maybe moving a bigger body IDL to the 5 Tech like what they did for Red Bryant vs a 3-4 and no Nose Tackle depth. unsure who those candidates would be but hoping this team learns in a hurry by week 1
also Jake Bobo reminds me of Joe Jurevicius hoping Bobo makes the squad and can be a contributor this season
Optimistic for this season and hope the Seahawks are a top 10 offensive juggernaut team with 2 x 1000+ yard rushers and a 4000 yard QB with 30+ TDs
Palatypus
You know who was a big, tall, slow wide receiver who got open alot? Chris Collinsworth.
These Jake Bobo/Joe Jurevicius comparisons are starting to annoy is much as…Chris Collinsworth.
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KH
Given the Chris Jones story today about being willing to hold out until W8, what trade compensation do you think the Chiefs would take? Two firsts seems close for his skill level but too rich for his age. A first and a player? That requires them to have a hole they want to fill, and that’s hard to justify with this team.
The starting point in negotiations would be two firsts for a player of that caliber
KH
With a quick scan, i found that three teams come up as potential trade partners: Lions, Bears, Browns.
Browns seem unlikely, and Bears seem thin up front even if they trade for Jones. but the Lions have three young players. Perhaps we could help them get Jones in return for one of the three young Lions.
Brodric Martin
Alim McNeill
Levi Onwuzurike
I understand this is super fringe and speculative, but it’s a slow day.
Isaiah Simmons to the Giants for a 7th. I know he’s gonna be a free agent next year. I know the Cards would never trade him to us within the division. But damn, I remember the love this blog had for him during the draft, the flashes he’s shown, and it makes me wonder when was the last time we pulled off a low cost trade like that.
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I know its 2 different draft classes, but I really think Boye & D Hall are gonna be the pass rush version of Cross & Abe. Love what I’m seeing from both of them.
Great combo block from Cross here. Seattle got the better LT between him & Ickey whose struggling bad right now. Looks lost.
https://twitter.com/CellusWrites/status/1693334309015261590?t=kvbAbpl0eQuDfwPhk3gy9g&s=19
Yes, it’s preseason, but Boye Mafe looks every bit the game wrecker we thought we were landing when we drafted him. Wreaking havoc on every play. Hall is beastly as well and may benefit from a year or two of not having to be ‘the guy’. Goddamn, we might just have a legit pash rush for the next few years!
Also, if Dee Eskridge gets a roster spot and Jake Bobo doesn’t, I’m going to puke.
Dee will be exempt the first six games or cut.
I don’t think there’s any chance Bobo doesn’t make this team, his special teams ability alone is worth it. He’s as much of a lock as Lock.
I’m watching Isiah Foskey get chewed out on the sideline by Dennis Allen right after a Chargers touchdown run where they were fooled badly.
I’m glad we didn’t draft that guy. He was bad at the Senior Bowl and he’s bad now.
While the Saints have been a clown car of penalties tonight, board favorite Smoke Monday is having a good night.
The run defense ain’t going to be great, no doubt. I’m not convinced re-signing any of the d-linemen from last year, like Al Woods, would help considering we had them and they sucked at it. I am concerned that there’s no real plan, but at the same time pass rush is king and we’re building one hell of a pass rush group.
I think it’s clear we’re going to try and pass a lot early to build a lead, then lean on our run game and pass rush to finish games. Good defenses and run games will be our Achilles heal, and both together will be deadly. Unfortunately that means conference foes like SF, Philly, and Dallas, are going to tough tough outs.
It is what it is at this point.
I think it’s more important to reflect on what could’ve been done, or could still be done, than merely saying it is what it is, though
Sure. I mean, I agree with what ya’ll are saying, but their handling of the run game is just as puzzling to me as their handling of Jamaal Adams. I, personally, can’t make sense of it.
CBS Sports is reporting that we signed Demarcus Mitchell and waived JOrdan Ferguson.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/transactions/
So they cut and added a DE, apparently to improve the special teams. Could this be leading up to a trade?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/seahawks-sign-former-patriots-special-teams-ace-after-surprise-cut/ar-AA1fxkDP?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eb88d82035fa4673b0cf8c5987f9f18a&ei=16
My bad! Had to walk the dog and didn’t see this mentioned at the end of the video.
Signing Mitchell is intriguing for the potential boost it could give to special teams. The middle of the D line still needs help though.
The more I think about it I think moving Taylor might make sense. Not sure if you could find someone to do a straight across trade for a bigger body but if so that makes sense. I don’t see a world where Seattle pays him with a plethera of young edge rushers behind him and Nwosu already taking up a chunk. The only other option is a corner but will Burns or Jackson be enough to get a serviceable DT?
Seriously hoping the team is indeed moving back to fronts more resembling a 4 3. (Did anyone else feel like thats what they were showing?) If so it makes adding another body much easier and the scheme is easier for linebackers. Ugh either way I don’t see a way the run d gets sorted out this close to the season. They’ve drafted so well but mismanaged almost everything else since the Wilson trade. I cant think of another organization thats always so good at being 1 step above average.
We did acquire an extra mid-round pick from Denver (suckers) that we could use.
And yeah, it did look like there were a lot of four man fronts in the “doughnut” or “Tycho” defense yesterday.
I was thinking trade a CB and Taylor, or a different OLB (but Taylor does make most sense imo) for some DL beef. Taylor is good sack guy, who is an ERA next year, that has some value. Plus we can offer a sold starting caliber CB: MJ, Brown, or Burns. Leave your picks in tact.
Gut feeling is that we will not see Devon Witherspoon early in the season. So all this talk about trading Michael Jackson is nonsense. It would be nice to see Witherspoon in the slot against the Rams. Don’t think that will happen. However, both Trey Brown and Koby Bryant are guys playing with a chip on their solder.
However, in the case of Cameron Young. Different story. No Cameron Young would be a huge hole in the run defense. That opposing offensive coordinators would not overlook. Don’t understand how John Schneider always seems to leave the Seahawks on the short end of the stick at DT.
Gut feeling you’re right, but we’re not exactly out on a limb here are we? Wonder when he will play and then will he get hurt early in his return?
5th overall pick in the draft……..smdh. *Sadness*
Still hopeful. Though concerned about Pete going into “bleak,” Pete speak discussing Witherspoon.
Please don’t let this turn out to be the other 9-10 times the first selection was a whiff, bust, or other term for a wasted pick.
Was talking about an in-season trade for Jackson, like we made for Diggs in 2019. Presumably Witherspoon isn’t out the entire season, and we also have Arte Burns warming the bench behind Woolen/Brown.
So it’s nonsense to say that talk of trading one of them at some point this season is nonsense
On Drew Lock’s injury – Head coach Pete Carroll added, “It sounds like he’s going to be fine after the evaluation. He got a little bit of a strain in the back of his knee, it got hyperextended a little bit, but there’s no damage, so they think that he’ll play next week.”
So he just got a hyperextended knee with a knee strain, but let’s push him to play again next week shortly before the season starts.
Makes no sense to play him next week
None whatsoever. Please don’t Pete, just don’t.
By the way, am I the only one that thought the Sam Williams hit on him was a cheap shot? Without saying so, it sounded like Mike Bennett thought so too. Said he “dove” at his knee. Bastard should be fined.
Dirty play by a dirty player.
Sam Williams had 1st round talent, dropped league wide because of character concerns.
There have been too many dirty plays this preseason, don’t know if it is a sign of things to come for the season.
League won’t care until some rando gator rolls Mahomes (or the like).
First of all I totally agree about Michael Bennett sideline reporter, the unfiltered Michael Bennett why are DL so slow off the ball nevertheless I do seem to recall Michael Bennett having a few defense offside penalties.but Michael Bennett is definitely interesting.And I also agree with you about the DLine I think Mcvay and Shanahan are both pretty smart guys and probably thinking can you say run the ball then run the ball again and go play action pass .I could be wrong .
Clint Hurtt, crossing routes and 3rd down checkdowns are still at the top of my concern list for 2023.
Re: Run D/DLine – I’m loathe to repeat myself, but it takes 2 to sign, and I’m not convinced that a DLine signing prove it deals want to play with Seattle in that space eater role. Playing in a system that allows for splash plays and bigger pay days is more desirable. A Greg Gaines type may have signed, but for a price well over the $3Mil.
The points on Cross are really well taken, I hated the Cross pick, and was pleasantly surprised by his play last year, he still has a long way to go in my book. I believe Brown’s presence will help both tackles tremendously.
The Geno discussion was good as well, there appears to be some fans with an unexplained and vehement dislike of Drew Lock, Geno said it himself – Drew Lock is a starting NFL QB. My feeling is the Bucs did not sign him because they intend to tank for Caleb. Geno and Drew are both curiosities for the league, neither have traditional arcs, both may be really good – I can’t remember modern versions of either QB path.
For those keeping track of the rookie QBs (still early days):
Young and Stroud looked better (they almost had to)
Richardson is sitting until week 1 (enormous mistake in my book)
Levis is dinged up.
Bennett came back to earth. Jaren Hall is not a NFL QB.
Rourke, Tune & Tanner are showing signs of being useful.
DTR still looks like Seneca Wallace – Malik Cunningham didn’t see the field (bummer)
AOC (Aidan O’Connell) is looking incredibly good, needs to see higher competition. JimmyG looked good in limited preseason work (imagine that), but O’Connell is playing really well. I hate this because O’Connell opted to not attend a real university (sad).
Mentioning QBs because CFB is just getting started (pumped) and I expect Seattle to again be in the discussion for QBs (along with DLine, ILB, OLine, and weapons). If you read Rob’s work on the QBs you know this QB middle class will be thick – and a lesson I’m taking from the 2023 class is that there might be 3 or 4 really good QBs not named Caleb.
Re: the d line.
Could it be that Seattle has just never been good at building either via draft or FA the dline.
In this era they’ve had Bennett the luckiest get ever. Jarran Reed whom they let go for a time. And now Jones. That’s three players over 14 years.
It’s always seemed to me Seattle just gets by until something no longer works.
Maybe Gaines or others hate Seattle. I hear from fans that FA’s love Seattle. So I’m not sure. Also I’m not sure why Gaines, per example, would sign with the Bucs on a prove it deal when they are also tanking for Williams.
Maybe it’s as easy as the process is flawed. John saying anyone can play NT…?…perhaps. for me when a team has drafted exactly just reed and everyone else has been a try-hard like poona ford doesn’t give me a lot of confidence that they know or care what they are doing there.
I think back to the early days and recall a lot of churn, getting in Clemons, Bennett, Avril, etc…
Much like the OLine, I feel like there was a flaw in the analysis and scheme that kept them picking up busts. Now they have seem to have a good idea of what they are doing. WR/RB depth as well.
I picked Gaines, for example, because he is developing a Creed Humphrey-esque following. It isn’t hate, it is system and numbers – DT who rack up stats can get bigger paydays. So where do you want to play, which system – and who are you playing alongside? Wins don’t matter for these types of players. Woods comments matter, heck, Collier’s comments matter.
My take is that they are unlikely to overpay in a trade with picks again (see: Prez), the FA cupboard is bare, and so they have to roll with what they got (DT trade potential noted).
I’m nearly positive they had their eyes on a Benton/Dexter/Young(Ala)/Pickens in the third round and didn’t expect them all to be gone. I also think they were aggressive in the prime DLine market, and secondary DLine market. Would we feel better with a Zach Allen or Benton in house? Definitely. Does the Prez contract make all of this unnecessarily harder? Yup.
Addressing the DLine is likely going to have to wait for 2024. I like this class and think it to be deep at DT (Rob may differ, and the CFB season hasn’t started yet). The 2024 off-season should follow 2022 & 2023, look for QBotF, prioritize premium positions, look for value. It took two off seasons to get the OLine to people feeling better about it, it will take another season of development and more investment for it to really be a strength. If the 2023 DLine feels like triage, it probably is because it is, with 3 positions instead of 5 – hopefully it gets better sooner.
Not really begun digging into the 2024 dline class. Partly because I don’t know what Seattle is looking for.
I’d agree it’s triage. But this kind of a long time of not drafting and/or developing players at nearly any spot along the front three or four per alignment.
The process in Seattle is strange overall. Look at the DB depth. How on earth did we get to the point where there are too many safeties and Cb’s? Good problem probably. But strange still.
Looking towards next year I have a hunch Lewis is going to play himself into a big guard contract that Seattle won’t pay. Leaving the interior oline soft unless Brown and Haynes show something. Brown is showing he can play. But that’s a big chasm from “guy playing,” and someone that matters.
A case could be made in the modern NFL that you can never have enough pass rushers, tackles, cornerbacks, and wide receivers.
I agree with you on Lewis, and think that Bradford was drafted in part replace him. Brown is pretty damn good, and I think Olu can become a long-term answer at Center. My suspicion/hope is that they will continue to add Bradford types at guard every year.
I tend to believe that there has been a shift that started in 2022. This next season and off-season will really be the proof about whether this shift is permanent.
Don’t know how far back you want to go but Jim Plunkett immediately comes to mind. Kenny Stabler as well. He actually was in minor league football for a very brief time. I watched him play a game for the Spokane Shockers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spokane_Shockers
Kurt Warner just drifting for four years before he got a chance and the right system.
Far enough back to remember seeing Plunkett in person.
I recall him, and Gannon/Hostetler (what is it with Raiders).
Doug Williams and Warren Moon both came to mind as well.
Post-2000 I’m struggling trying to think of like players.
Maybe Marc Bulger?
One thing to watch if Drew Lock does indeed play against Green Bay is how much play-action they give him.
He is deadly when running it, even back to his Denver days. It allows him to use his athleticism in his feet and gives him time to scan the field – besides the usual drawing the linebackers and safeties up.
They ran PA about 33% of pass plays last year with Geno.
If Lock gets playing time, would they utilize it much more or would they try to fit Lock into the Geno pattern?
Man I hope they use it at that rate with him. With our running backs and how simple it can make reads? Bit of a no-brainer. Put in his ability to run (not top of the line, but VERY under-rated) and defenses could be running around in circles.
I almost hear schools down here around Kansas City complain about playing him in basketball more than football. Shows how good of an athlete he is
If he’s truly ok I hope he gets at least a few series to try some of those out. Going back over the highlights of the win over Dallas and every sweet reception was delivered by a very good to fantastic throw by Lock.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/panthers-waive-dt-marquan-mccall
6’3″ 345lb undrafted rookie last year
Looks like just what the doctor ordered. A two down run defender with no pass rush ability.
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/news/marquanmccall
Is this what you want?
https://www.nfl.com/videos/marquan-mccall-bursts-into-backfield-on-explosive-tfl
I remember he played great at the Shrine game early 2022. They asked Panthers head coach how McCall went from starter to cut in 2 weeks.
“Mike Kaye of The Charlotte Observer then asked Reich to quantify the parting of ways with McCall, who seemed to be the prototypical nose tackle at 6-foot-3 and almost 350 pounds.
“It’s in multiple ways,” he said. “I don’t wanna really—it’s a very fair question, ’cause you’re right. Just body type and other ways you think he is the traditional 3-4. And that’s why I think he’s gonna be on a roster.
“I think for us in our scheme, there’s more nuances to it than the traditional thing. So, I’ll just leave it at that.”
I was perusing team depth charts for a hidden opportunity the other day and McCall was their 1st team NT. What happened?
Check out their depth chart now 😂: https://www.panthers.com/team/depth-chart
From the link that Cha posted above: McCall started the team’s first preseason game and made three tackles, but moved back to the bench behind Raequan Williams against the Giants last Friday night.
I really hope that our roster can get past being excited by all the players waived or released by other teams. I think we are getting there, with the exception of a few position groups.
There is a thought cluster about Prez that I am still chewing on:
Is there a reason why the Seahawks need to make a move on his salary now/what would be the benefit to the team doing it now?
Is it more prudent to let him sit, until the team has urgency for the flexibility, then press him to restructure or cut?
Right now if DT would fetch the right interior player, cutting Prez outright is still a viable business move. Asking him to restructure, then cutting him if the chance arose seems like it could sour the locker room.
Much easier to negotiate for a reduction if you say, “Prez, we are trading for Zach Sieler, huge get right. We need a deal in place to sign him to sign him now, we need you to restructure.” Versus, “we want to power your pay because you’ve been hurt, and want flexibility.”
One huge reason, yes.
As a vested veteran player, his full $11m salary for 2023 becomes guaranteed week one.
Right now, only $2.56m is guaranteed. They have two weeks and change and the window to gain $8.44m in cap room closes for good.
People are saying ‘they can’t cut him because that would be $24m dead cap’ but the chances that he does not significantly help the team this year are at least 50/50 with the seriousness of his injury. So letting him sit on his deal effectively means they’re increasing that dead cap to $32m and would likely cut him next year anyway. If they don’t adjust his deal or cut him, they’re betting a whopping $8.44m that he will be healthy and effective this year.
Here’s my theory.
Remember how Tyler Lockette is now doing real estate. My guess is he is building a really expensive house for Jamal and he’s got a deal with Pete that right when it gets done and the money comes out of escrow, HE’S GONE!
I’m to ask you cha and Lou if you know or have thoughts, please chime in (and yes, I know this is a reach and maybe I’m missing something here):
is it possible that Adams agent negotiated a clause in his contract (that we’re obviously not aware of) that will not allow the Seahawks to renegotiate the amount he is being paid and/or negotiated a clause that does not allow them to cut him for X number of years (from the signing date)? It wouldn’t be a “fully” guaranteed deal, for the announced length of the contract but for the partial length as in through this coming season.
I mean what the hell else makes sense with this guy other than they’re going to do something before week 1 as you guys mentioned.
I suppose it is not out of the realm of possibility.
Two things make it very unlikely though:
1-his agent would have announced it from the rooftops. Agents are all about finding their next client.
2-Mike Florio got a copy of the contract 24 hrs after it the deal was done and did a post on it. He did not mention any such provision, and with his lawyer’s skills and ability to sniff out a potential story, he would have mentioned it.
Those were both of my initial thoughts.
My last guess is that they don’t want to send a message that if you get injured on the field they will not honor your contract. Which would be great but for the Cap.
That would be a very, very, very expensive message.
Every player knows this is a business. Bobby Wagner was upset to get cut and turned right around and came back the next year.
Thanks guys. Like I said, I knew it was a reach. But man, there is just no logic to this situation.
And Pete Carroll’s ego is not a logical reason. It may be, in fact really seems to be, the reason but it ain’t logical.
Leaving him on the roster enables the chance (however slim) that he actually comes back and plays well this season.
Counterpoint: hope is not a strategy.
The return from this trade…horrendous. No one likes to buy high and sell low, but sometimes you just have to lick your wounds, admit failure, and move on. I wish they would do this.
What I find so bizarre, but maybe I shouldn’t, is how Seahawks media treats the Adams situation as if OF COURSE we would keep him, he’s too big a chess piece of this defense, like entertaining any questions over cutting him are absurd. A lot of the stuff that MSD writes on The Athletic takes on this undertone. Others as well.
Why admit you were wrong and move on from Percy but not Adams? That makes so very little sense.
As good a reason as any.
So there is a limit to the team’s flexibility.
The dead cap argument that people make has never really made sense to me.
I’d rather see Lock over Geno this season.
I don’t think their win totals would be that different. If the offense is so good that a journeyman qb could thrive, why not try the one with the athleticism? Lock could be the poor-man’s Mahomes in this offense.
Treat Geno’s new contract like Matt Flynn’s.
I’d rather go with the guy who beat out the other one, and led the team to the playoffs. Lock is still unproven in the league. Geno has at least done something, even if it is only for a half of a season. Lock’s biggest issues have been with decision making. Geno showed that he doesn’t have the same level of problem.
Let’s not compare Lock to any form of Mahomes. Still a kid that hasn’t beaten anyone out and only has a one-year contract. It’s still preseason only.
All Lock has done is shown that he deserves to be in the mix for the qb spot in the future. Still a bigger step than what I thought he could take, and a HUGE step for him. But we are still trying to win in an open NFC. Can’t be the guy if you can’t beat the guy.
Anyone else notice this bit from Brady Henderson: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38209757/nfl-preseason-power-rankings-2023-teams-coaches
Whenever Adams returns (he’s still on the PUP list), Seattle will use him extensively at linebacker in the hope that he’ll recapture his 2020 form.
Will be interesting to see how he can hold up at LB. Does make me worry more about the lack of beef up front though.
That is…something?
Brady usually displays some plug-in to this Front Office, but calling him a LB is very odd.
So we are paying $18m for a blitz specialist
Are they going to sacrifice Wagner in the A gap again to create opportunities for our highest paid player?
What are we doing here???
We’re doing the Pete Carroll desperation dance
I watched a couple minutes of your buddy over at TB commenting on the win against the Cowboys. Just how a broken clock is right twice a day, he mentioned WR Young kept dropping passes and Bobo looks much better.
Last year JS said Young was in the mold of Deebo. But at least Deebo catches the ball before having a lot of YAC. Seems like actually catching the ball first is integral to the process. Over and over we see Young dropping the ball even when it hits him in the hands.
Sounds like a couple of wasted minutes
Trying to figure out how a 214 pound LB with bad shoulders, who only plays on passing downs for blitz packages won’t be picked up real easy by the opponent. At least when he first got here there was the surprise factor.
https://media.giphy.com/media/itDWNCtRkFFToG3AwL/giphy.gif
Perfect, Big Mike
On the plus side, instead of being the 3rd highest paid safety, he’d become the 10th highest paid linebacker…
good point! Much more palatable.
Exactly. No more hand wringing about having so much money tied up in the safety room.
I did the same thing and checked the numbers as well. It’s actually so stupid it makes me smile. 10th highest paid LB who is not a three down player…..feels fairly perfect for this situation.
My annual list of the top ten players the Seahawks absolutely, positively cannot do without:
1. Jamal Adams. Nothing screams that this is a Pete Carroll team louder than the remarkable perseverance of #33. Injuries, more injuries, a lack of familiarity with the playbook, injuries and a seeming disinterest in all things football have not stopped this legend in his own mind from getting paid as if he were one of the best players in the game, even as he boasts a highlight reel that is ‘light’ on ‘highlights.’ We all remember where we were the night he was drilled in the face with a football from 30 yards away and the night he was pointing to teammates even as he futilely chased after a receiver who’d run right past him. They may be the same night – actually, they may be every game. Regardless. The man has ‘Always Compete’ tattooed on his heart. Maybe there are better players out there at 20% the cost, maybe even less, but where’s the heart? Jamal may play this season. Jamal may not play this season. It doesn’t matter, because three years ago, Pete Carroll realized that he’d named Ken Norton Jr as his DC and not only was KNJr in over his head, it didn’t really matter because Pete forgot to put together a pass rush. Raise your hand if you haven’t forgotten to put together a pass rush. That’s what I thought. Anyway…Boom – Jamal. My favorite player.
2-10. Doesn’t matter. We got Jamal.
😭😭😭😭
While reading this I couldn’t help but be reminded of those real men of genius commercials.
LOL
I wonder if Drew Lock had the mindset in last year’s preseason like he was behind in the QB race, so if there was any chance of him starting, he really had to let it fly come what may. Of course he had a rough outing, with some turn-overs. This pre-season, he’s not going for the starting role, there’s less pressure and he’s a bit more composed. Nice to see
This feels like a move the Rams would make
Thought Rams right away
Whoa. Ok then.
They have $34m in cap now and will be at least $56m in the red in 2024.
Had to do a double take there. Most available this year, second least available next year. What the hell’s going on in Cleveland?
If you have a young, good player on a bigger deal already, I think there’s not much downside to a move like this. Assuming the owner has the cash to write the check.
Gives them maximum flexibility to sign anyone who might get cut or to make a trade. And what they don’t use just rolls forward as cap offset for next year.
Absolutely correct. They have options now to really go for it this year and next if they want to get another premium piece.
MK Cabot also reported that they converted Garrett’s 2024 and 2025 base salaries to option bonuses. More room and more flexibility.
There’s another factor in all this that nobody is talking about: The Browns are guaranteeing more money to Garrett with these moves. Option bonuses are really hard to take back, and Garrett’s contract runs out of guaranteed salary after 2023. Any more restructuring and they could end up fully guaranteeing this contract that he signed 3 years ago.
At this moment in time, that’s fine because he is absolutely earning every penny of his contract and then some.
Myles Garrett is only 1 year into his 5 year contract. They can’t really rip it up and yet they can’t ignore his play.
They’ve got him for $25m AAV. Joey Bosa’s getting $27m, TJ Watt $28m and reports are Nick Bosa’s deal are going to eclipse or get close to Aaron Donals’ $31m. Meanwhile Garrett’s contract keep his AAV as is until 2027!
So what they’re doing is a nod to Garrett. You’ll get all your salary up front, and a couple more years locked by guarantee and we’ll get cap flexibility.
Check out my new shirt and hat!
https://twitter.com/AlbertB55481266/status/1693787576677568699?s=20
Dang that’s actually a clean shirt.
It is true. Seahawks Draft Blog shirts are only made with the softest scrotum hairs of virgin goats in the Scottish Highlands. There they suckle on magical mountain moss while listening to the gentle chorus of The Immigrant Song by Led Zeppelin, sang by a coven of Dryads.
I laughed maybe a little hard at this LOL!! I need one!!
All I hear are the goats from Thor: Love and Thunder….and then it cutting to Jimmy Page opening up the song….hahaha!
My next task is to go out to the National Naval Aviation Museum and “Rob” an F-14.
Awesome! Thanks for buying the shirt and that’s a sweet hat
Oh great.
I saw this and just laughed as a coping mechanism. All these amazing new players and they have all been hurt one way or another already.
Mine is telling myself that last year K9 had hernia surgery and he turned out pretty good.
Better to put a bolt in it now than to have him suffer through it all season.
How much more comfortable would we have been with that hernia surgery last year if we had Charbonnett?
Such a bummer. There have been a load of rookie injuries. Most should be ok, but frustrating to lose development for these young guns. I know we talked about all of these guys leading up to the draft.
JSN
BJ Ojulari
Demarion Overshown
Darius Rush
Ventrell Miller
Devone Achane
Jordan Addison
Izzy Abanikanda
Nolan Smith
Calijah Kancy
Will Levis
Emmanuel Forbes
Kenny McIntosh
Meanwhile in Washington, the CB that played opposite Devon Witherspoon at Illinois made a hell of a play last night.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/rA9rSn1L0ts
Nice recovery and balls skills, but he got torched off the line. A good throw and that’s 6.
To me it looked like there was no way that receiver was going to keep his toes in bounds and that he perfectly used the sideline as an extra defender.
He barely stayed in bounds himself on the replay.
The DT was hitting the QB as he threw and so the ball had no zip and floated. If he steps into that and puts it toward the back of the end zone, the WR had him beat by 4 yards.
Again, it was a nice recovery, but that DT gets most of the credit in my book.
Oof. So many little bones in the wrist that can be effected and will need time to heal. My only real worry is his ability to push off of coverage or instinctively using his hand to brace his fall after a tackle.
Also, I blame Drew Lock for the pass that broke the bone because….. insert reason here.
Someone needs to encase Charbonnett and Hall in Buble Wrap immediately. I sure can wait to see all of the Seahawks top rookies on the field at the same time.
Not to toot my own horn, but beep beep..
Gross MaToast says:
April 27, 2023 at 7:44 pm
Massive fail in my book. I don’t think either player in the 1st was the BPA and I don’t think either will be able to stay on the field. All they’ve done is assure that the IR will be crowded for years to come with these top two. What a waste all around.
…and we haven’t even reached hamstring season yet.
Toastradamus…..
I literally LOL’d. Gross has a new nick on the site.
Whoa. Toastradamus indeed.
I feel ya though. I’ve long been cautious about my optimism for pick five. As soon as I heard Richardson to Indy…..and that he most likely (?) Wasn’t an option anyways I dreaded who they would pick at five.
I know he had that seahawky vibe but that size and style are a mismatch at the pro level. Hope I’m completely off on this and he balls out.
Then. The JSN pick. A not fast slot reciever who babied the season….but I get it. Then the reports coming out said I was wrong and I was starting to get stoked on the pick.
Hope, like Cha, that he’s more KW and less
…well most every other seahawk who gets injured this close to opening day.
I have far more hope for JSN than I do for Spoon as a long term quality player for Seattle and for the size reasons you and others have mentioned.
Not sure an injury minor enough that he might be back before week 1 is exactly reason to take a victory lap on that prediction. These things happen, JSN has looked fantastic so far.
Maybe too soon for a “victory lap.” 19 days to recover from surgery might be pushing it.
Again hope both ball out. Still waiting on Witherspoon who is now trending into: will he be in game day fitness having not played a game or all practices for almost nine months.
JSN has shown very well this off season and you’re right things happen.
I don’t believe there’s a snowball’s chance he’ll be in “game day fitness”. I think about the best we can hope for is like week 3 or 4.
And that’s if he’s practicing full speed starting now.
Listen, I don’t get many chances at ‘victory laps,’ so I’m taking it, but still hoping to be very wrong in the long term…although I won’t be. Damn this ability to portend disaster!
“The IR will be crowded for years to come with these top two. What a waste all around.” –Gross MaToast prediction
The future isn’t past yet, Gross MaToast. We must see both Witherspoon and Njigba on IR “for years”—and the team’s total draft investment in the two must ultimately and comprehensively be proven “a waste”—before you can celebrate. If your prediction comes to pass, then I promise to help you with the administration of your back-pattings. Till then, the present IR game count is Witherspoon 0, Njigba 0.
If JSN plays week one….it’ll be almost like he wasn’t injured at all.
Followed a thread of a bunch of doctors and hand therapy specialists giving time lines and outcomes. Got a little gloomy reading the outcomes.
Pete, Week 4, responding to a question about JSN getting back:
“Jaxon has a legit hand.”
Okay! Coffee spitting time😅
What would Taylor’s trade value be worth, 2R24??
Grover Stewart + JT for Jamal Adams and DJ Dallas seems like the appropriate value to me.
I feel bad for AR.
A do-it-all RB is a rookie QB’s best friend.
Their skill player depth will be razor thin if Taylor gets traded for picks.
Oof. So many small bones in the wrist that are delicate and need time to heal. My only real concern is him being able to push off of coverage or him instinctively using his hand to brace himself from the ground after impact. Don’t know how much run blocking he was going to be doing but that’s be effected, as well.
Oh man
Weird that Jason Kelce started it a while earlier. At least he admitted it.
Seahawks.com has put up a depth chart on their website, few observations:
1) Mafe in front of Taylor (doesn’t look injury related, see Adams and Brooks)
2) Bryant and Sutherland leading safety depth (over Blount and Reed)
3) Cade Johnson is WAAAAY back on the chart… (Eskridge still in WR3/4)
In fairness Cade Johnson is recovering from a concerning head injury
Hope that they can keep him on the PS if they cut him, I still have hope!
https://youtu.be/1kEfOGSm7Ec
Sherm and Pete. A pretty good listen
I really enjoyed it. Pete was pretty open about a lot of things
Warms my heart to seeing the bridges rebuilt with the old guard.
Amen. Hopefully Earl eventually
Yeah, let’s get Earl, his brother and his ex-wife together for a YouTube sit down.
And the girl in the hotel?!
No thanks, I’m done with Earl. The guy who wore a robe and crown to his wedding then did that stuff is a guy I lost all respect for. Us his behavior on the Ravens was so bad the whole team wanted him gone.
Head trauma related or not, that dude is headed for a bad end.
Another post I literally LOL’d at today. Good stuff man
I enjoyed it but after all the nonsense Sherm was part of regarding ‘that’ play, I thought he chickened out of getting into that.
Pete’s answer, FWIW, is absolutely spot on. And it’s crazy that so many of the team destroyed a dynasty over that moment and cooked up ridiculous conspiracy theories about ‘who Pete wanted to be MVP’
This was Sherman’s chance to have even a respectful discussion about it and he offered nothing and skirted around it
I actually think this will give Sherm and others a way to move on positively and see it for what it was…a failed play (or however Pete put it).
Hope so
I thought this was A+ leadership from Pete
I can’t help but watch this interview and think of how it reflects upon a lot of the themes talked about here the past few years, i.e. whether PC’s heart is still in it, whether the team has become his vanity project, whether he is ceding control, whether gimmicks like “Tell the Truth Monday” still have credibility.
I don’t know, I watch this video and I feel some kinda way. I start to believe again. PC is some sort of Zen Master. This “generation” has the ability to be “great”. I don’t know, just can’t wait for football to start!! LFG!
I’ve kind of had that feeling return somewhat from watching KJ’s podcast. Especially when guys that Mebane and Red Bryant were on. There was something there was I know was very unique for a team. I’m thinking that Pete does do something special (and hoping that it is happening again).
JSN out 3-4 weeks
Oh great
Let’s hope it is only 3-4 weeks. I want JSN on the field from day 1…but not too soon if at all possible.
Ken Walker had surgery August 17th last year and didn’t play week one. Maybe he was suited up I don’t recall. Then was eased in a bit following.
I know it’s only a five day difference but three weeks is out week one for sure. Four weeks may push it until the third game if prognosticatin’ Pete can be counted on for a time line.
It would seem Bobo will step into the #3 role. With Eskridge suspended who likely steps into the 4th WR slot?
Looks like Cade will be back, which is a good thing.
Wr 4? I don’t know after Bobo I’m not sure anyone has shown anything. Maybe Young? If he starts hitting the jugs machine.
I am pulling for Bobo.
I want Bobo to score.
But do you want Bobo working in the slot? LOL
Lots of stick and dig routes.
Great
That shocking depth on the D-line takes a hit
Can’t believe they didn’t have more bodies ‘competing’ if nothing else
This has the earie familiarity of years past. One glaring weak spot that wasn’t properly addressed – despite the obvious need.
Where in week 4 we’re talking about needing to make a trade because we’ve given up 100 yards to Cam Akers, Miles Sanders and Saquon and are facing Mixon and Chubb in 2 of the next 3.
We’re one week away from 1200 players being cut. Need to pull a couple of big DL out of that group and the fact that I’m counting on cut players to fix the DL depth is deflating.
Turn out the lights. The party’s over
*yawn*
“It’s in our conversation right now and there’s a chance we’ll have him back out here tomorrow,” Carroll said. “That’s a big step for him to go forward, but it isn’t a step that means he’s going to be out practicing yet. We want to get him in the flow, looking at the weeks we have to build up and looking at the preparation time. He’s ready to do that, and I brought it up to him and he responded really well. I think tomorrow or the next day we’ll get that done.”
Full quote from Carroll. Doesn’t seem like Adams is the one pushing to get out there.
Cade Johnson is out of the concussion protocol after 12 days. Good for him!
Seattle signed another U of Montana kid, WR Malik Flowers, a great kick returner in college.
I’m sick to hear JSN is hurt. Mike Morris too. This team is already wrecked by injuries before the season even begins!
3 questions from the press today about Pete doing sprints and throws in practice.
The third one Pete starts laughing as if…’you’re really asking me about this?’
//facepalm
Vulcan strikes again….
I thought he looked feeble. He’s 70, not 80….I just spent part of today working with a guy who is 65 and can still do manual labor installing 50 foot culvert pipes. He can run a 200 lb Wacker packer like a boss. I’m far more impressed with him than Carrols silliness…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7G7ZYHIP3I
Our old friend Mr. Browner checking in
Wow, another amazing interview with the forgotten LOBer. Brandon has obviously used his prison time as a opportunity to grow and heal. Looks like he will be eligible for parole in November.
Rob and other UK folks, is this anecdotally true: https://x.com/vountee/status/1694134768747614331?s=46&t=cOHU3a7sncZq-_1QP4M1Og
Possibly. Lot of people jumped on the bandwagon after 2012.
I could definitely believe it. Went to a superbowl party and Hawks were very well represented. When you see merch out and about I’d say Raiders, Pats and Hawks seem to be most common.
This demonstrates, if nothing else, a complete lack of sports journalism acumen. It really is pathetic to hear that that is what sports journalists in Seattle are asking the head coach of Seattle’s NFL franchise.
This was meant as a reply to cha. My bad
i have my concerns on the lack of depth on this 3-4 defense DL
i recall Bennett mentioning the Seahawks lack a 5 technique
any chance this team goes back to a 4-3 alignment with a 5 Tech?
i really dont like seeing other teams run over this dee again for another season
Clint Hurtt mentioned he was tired of answering if the Seahawks can stop the run but based on what i have seen in preseason it looks like a lack of personnel all over again and Hurtt will be answering the same questions again.
i would rather have a 4-3 with maybe moving a bigger body IDL to the 5 Tech like what they did for Red Bryant vs a 3-4 and no Nose Tackle depth. unsure who those candidates would be but hoping this team learns in a hurry by week 1
also Jake Bobo reminds me of Joe Jurevicius hoping Bobo makes the squad and can be a contributor this season
Optimistic for this season and hope the Seahawks are a top 10 offensive juggernaut team with 2 x 1000+ yard rushers and a 4000 yard QB with 30+ TDs
You know who was a big, tall, slow wide receiver who got open alot? Chris Collinsworth.
These Jake Bobo/Joe Jurevicius comparisons are starting to annoy is much as…Chris Collinsworth.
Given the Chris Jones story today about being willing to hold out until W8, what trade compensation do you think the Chiefs would take? Two firsts seems close for his skill level but too rich for his age. A first and a player? That requires them to have a hole they want to fill, and that’s hard to justify with this team.
The starting point in negotiations would be two firsts for a player of that caliber
With a quick scan, i found that three teams come up as potential trade partners: Lions, Bears, Browns.
Browns seem unlikely, and Bears seem thin up front even if they trade for Jones. but the Lions have three young players. Perhaps we could help them get Jones in return for one of the three young Lions.
Brodric Martin
Alim McNeill
Levi Onwuzurike
I understand this is super fringe and speculative, but it’s a slow day.
Browns have opened up a crazy amount of cap space the last week.
Not sure they have the draft capital to make it happen though. They don’t have a first round pick in 2024.
Thoughts on why they’ve opened up so much cap?
https://seahawksdraftblog.com/live-stream-3pm-pt-discussing-the-cowboys-win#comment-768641
Ah, thanks.
I’m not sure Onwuzurike is available and I’m almost certain McNeil won’t be
Two firsts…..🙃…..agree but give me strength if they did that
Well, I’d rather pay two firsts for Jones than two firsts for a box safety
It appears that Charles Cross’s old friend Sam Williams has been arrested.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/cowboys-sam-williams-arrested-on-controlled-substance-weapon-charges
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/38250529/source-cardinals-trading-isaiah-simmons-giants-7th-round-pick
Isaiah Simmons to the Giants for a 7th. I know he’s gonna be a free agent next year. I know the Cards would never trade him to us within the division. But damn, I remember the love this blog had for him during the draft, the flashes he’s shown, and it makes me wonder when was the last time we pulled off a low cost trade like that.