Only way this day could have been better is moving up a couple spots to get Tindall overall great day though!!
Sea Mode
Agree
Sea Mode
Tom Pelissero
@TomPelissero
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Offensive players still on the board entering Day 3 of the NFL Draft include:
QB Sam Howell
QB Carson Strong
QB Bailey Zappe
RB Isaiah Spiller
RB Zamir White
RB Dameon Pierce
WR Khalil Shakir
WR Justyn Ross
TE Cade Otton
TE Charlie Kolar
TE Daniel Bellinger
OT Daniel Faalele
Defensive players still on the board entering Day 3 include:
Edge Dominique Robinson
DT Perrion Winfrey
LB Damone Clark
LB D’Marco Jackson
CB Tariq Woolen
CB Coby Bryant
CB Joshua Jobe
CB Zyon McCollum
CB Jalyn Armour-Davis
S Tycen Anderson
S Verone McKinley III
S Smoke Monday
Chris
Better not put Sam Howell up there, you’ll get tarred and feathered around here.
I actually like him just as much as the other QBs in the draft (maybe more, honestly, but not because I think he’s great necessarily, but instead because everyone is mediocre) and don’t understand the hate for him whatsoever.
There’s too many attractive players left though and the Hawks have so many holes that it isn’t worth a flyer on a 10%-hit-rate-at-best quarterback this year. Load up in the trenches and high value positions (OTs, rush DEs, hopefully a CB that turns out alright) and give all these new offensive players a year to gel before going after a real QB prospect next year to slide into an otherwise functioning offense. Next year, put the draft focus on defense with the high picks.
MychestisBeastmode
No hate here (as if I could properly evaluate a QB anyways…). Now that we are past the 3rd round if they go QB it won’t be as damning given the players they would have missed out on instead (especially after the spectacular haul in rds 2 and 3 imo).
However, my thought has been that none of these QBs have enough upside or are polished enough to start soon to outweigh giving Lock a shot when compared to Lock’s athletic ability and flashes of talent (albeit far too inconsistent). So, I’d just as soon give Lock a chance thinking that it was always more likely our QB is in next year’s draft regardless of who we do or don’t draft at QB this year.
Keep loading up positional talent! There’s a bunch of quality still out there.
CaptainJack
109 seems like a good spot to take a qb… my guess is that’s why they didn’t trade up. They can choose between Howell, Strong, Zappe and Coan.
Thomas Wells
My big board for the hawks going into day 3:
Zach Tom
Jaylen armour Davis
Damarri Mathis
Darrian beavers
Damone Clark
Matt waletzko
Tariq woolen
Michael Clemons
Jake Ferguson
Haskell Garrett
At least one will be there for round four. Keep it up PCJS!
Sea Mode
Highest remaining players on Rob’s board (R3 grade or higher):
* = injury red flag
Offense
QB Carson Strong*
RB Dameon Pierce
RB Zamir White
WR Kevin Austin Jr
WR Calvin Austin
WR Khalil Shakir
WR Isaiah Weston
TE Cade Otton*
TE Charlie Kolar
TE Jake Ferguson
TE Daniel Bellinger
TE Cole Turner
OT Rasheed Walker
OT Obinna Eze
OT Matt Waletzko
OC Zach Tom
I’m dipping OL one more time with Zach Tom at #109 & then defense the rest of the way. Two DBs unless Damone Clark is there in the 5th & then stash him for 2022.
Hawk Mock
Tom, Clark and Clemons would be nice. Austin looks like a value pick at this point based on Rob’s bigboard.
CR
This is exactly how I see it too
Schrub
Like today’s selections for sure, but man is LB a major weakness on this team. Defense overall just seems like it will struggle this season.
Kyle
The only thing that I am a little bummed about is not getting any additional picks on trade downs. You can’t take what isn’t offered, but in a draft like this a couple extra third or fourth rounders would be amazing.
mtpgod
Getting cute in the past and trading down has led us to picks like LJ Collier, we can’t complain about how this draft has shaken out so far. It’s an A so far.
Dude12
Will someone please send this man some AirPods or something please? It’s the least he deserves. I would myself if I weren’t in so much debt.
JC3
Kenneth Walker might be better than Clyde Edwards-Helaire.
So glad no more aging & patch works OT.
Kind of wish they trade up for Logan Hall, a 6-6, 4.4 fireball DE.
SoCal12
Charles Cross/Damian Lewis/Zach Tom/Abe Lucas would be a great foundation for an OL. Would just need to fill Center or Guard next year depending on where Tom plays.
Jabroni-DC
F Twitter talk guys.
CaptainJack
IN retrospect,
I really really hate the kenneth walker pick. Waste of resources. Players just as good can be found in 5th/6th/7th rounds. Just a reminder that PCJS aren’t cut out for this job. Yeah they made good picks with Mafe and Lucas but there’s so much talent at 41 to choose from it’s disgusting they chose another running back
SoCal12
This sounds like a take you’d find on twitter. Kenneth Walker is way better than the RBs on Day 3.
Peter
I already broke this down. But bottom line the best runningbacks come in rounds 1-3.
There are hardly any runningbacks worth a damn passed the third round.
And the best? Well the majority come in round two.
SoCal12
Yeah people I think get biased by Carson but he was an outlier.
Best RBs in the league that are actual bellcows right now are all Round 1-3: Zeke Elliot, Nick Chubb, Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon, Jonathan Taylor, Alvin Kamara…
MychestisBeastmode
He’s a slightly taller Maurice Jones Drew comp. To be fair I did think it was a bit rich and was hoping for more Defense or O-Line bolstering. However, given Carson is probably done here and while I love Penny’s strong finish, his injury history needed a hedge. It’s just that this hedge has as much potential to be all pro as a healthy Penny ever did.
Coach
What are your thoughts on Brandon Smith? I was hoping for Tindall or Chenal, but I just read an article on nfldraftbuzz.com and they have Smith as their #3 lb overall, way ahead of Tindall and Chenal. Here’s what they had to say:
Brandon Smith is an amazing athlete with perfect size, strength, speed for the position and has always seemed likely to become a star. Despite this he hasn’t dominated in college quite to the extent we would have hoped and we have never given him a excellent grade as either a tackler or a run defender with his best rating coming in pass defense.
Smith will likely be overdrafted – possibly as high as the middle of the first round due to his sky high potential, but we view him as a late first-early second round pick in the 2022 NFL Draft based on his college game tape.
Is this a reliable website? Should I be rooting for us to take Brandon Smith in the 4th round tomorrow?
Go Hawks!
Coach
Based on what I know, I’m rooting for Tom C, Woolen CB, or Smith LB, but that’s what I love about the community on this site.
Let me know if there’s someone else that would help us more that I should be rooting for in round 4.
Thank you!
Go Hawks!
Peter
Just me but I would take LB Darrian Beavers at 109.
First time I watched him I saw a young, faster KJ wright. Bigger, longer, more explosive than Barton. Some pass rush. Plays in space very well.
Rob4q
Still some really good players left on the defensive side for sure!
Micah McFadden, LB Indiana
Eyioma Uwazurike, DT Iowa State
Jaylen Watson, CB Washington State
Percy Butler, S Louisiana
Peter
Beavers is my guy but I like a lot of those names.
Plus…i kind of think Seattle after meeting him would like Mr. Clemons.
Blitzy the Clown
Brandon Smith looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
Jabroni-DC
Options at #109
OL Zach Tom
LB Damone Clark (redshirt in 2022)
CB Damarri Mathis
CB Jalyn Armour-Davis
CB Zion McCollum
Lots of CBs left.
Peter
Damone clark rob thinks may not play again.
Jabroni-DC
Clark had a spinal fusion surgery. I don’t know where along his spine that took place but I had the same surgery at 18 yrs old. They cut out some hip bone, wired vertebrae together & packed it with that hip bone. It grew together and was stronger than original ligament that had torn. The downside is that the joints above and below the fused area will wear more over time. I was cleared for all contact sports post surgery and after the healing period.
It’s a risk for sure that he’ll never play. I guess I’d wait until the late 5th or 7th to take him. Still too many awesome players available at #109 who are ready to go.
Peter
I mean if it’s possible to come back, like you were, then i’d be all about it.
Jabroni-DC
The Seattle Seahawks have been on a downward trajectory & slow bleed out since February 1st, 2015.
It feels like today we have officially turned the tide and started a growth cycle. It’s exciting!
Hawk Mock
Agreed. I feel like they basically just picked up four 1st rounders based off Rob’s board and the fact that an early 2nd round RB is basically where 1st round RBs of the past are now drafted. Feeling better about Cross pick knowing they obviously had the next 3 guys they drafted high on their board. Maybe letting the scouting department cook is a goid thing.
Peter
Feeling much better about cross now that there is a plan with lucas and hopefully lewis moving back.
Looking forward to running the rock and for fairness sake giving lock a chance to succeed.
Jabroni-DC
Back on the PFN updated mock draft,
#109 – Zach Tom, OL, Wake Forest
#145 – Damarri Mathis, CB, Pittsburgh
#153 – Tariq Castro-Fields, CB, Penn State
#229 – Percy Butler, S, Louisiana
Peter
Not bad. Think Butler goes a roud earlier.
Rd 7: Dareke Young wr. But future gunner ala ricardo lockette
Gaux Hawks
please. please. please. please.
zach tom
jalyn armour-davis
jake ferguson (or damone clark)
dareke young
please. please. please. please.
MychestisBeastmode
Some guys will get cut. Some cash will be available. Clowney and or Hicks are in play again. Or maybe it goes to Baker if there’s a trade. Or maybe it goes to DK when he’s paid $26 mil per year. Hoping it’s Clowney. Let’s go!
Mick
I’m a bit sad they didn’t manage to get Tindall or Chenal, but these picks look very good. I wonder if Mafe would have still been their choice with Ebiketie available. Walker is great news, hopefully the end of Carson, as sorry as I feel for him. And Lucas is a great pick. We can even consider moving Curhan or Stone inside. I really really love that we didn’t force a QB. My wish for 109 is a CB (maybe Woolen).
SoCal12
Yeah I have a strong feeling Atlanta jumped us to secure Ebikete. We were showing interest predraft in him and he was comped to Uchenna Nwosu by Zierlien. They were probably looking at that type of player. My guess is Mafe was probably graded similarly though. His top-30 interview with us must have gone well.
mtpgod
I’d go cb in the 5th, I think grabbing an LB in the 4th after a small trade down (I want to pick up a 6th badly) is the best case scenario. I feel LB is a bigger weakness as I think Barton as a starting LB is a bad situation, whereas I think Artie Burns will be this year’s DJ Reed and develop into a cb1 (that’s my early 2023 longshot prediction). Burns and Tre Brown (hopefully back at 100 percent by midseason) along with S Jones isn’t as bad as some might think at cb.
MychestisBeastmode
I’m bullish at CB’s on our current roster. I think Sydney and Tre likely win out but am happy if Artie takes it too because that would mean he outplayed one or both of a duo that I already feel won’t be liability. Not pro bowlers (or unlikely at least) but also I don’t think we’ll look back after games and blame the CB group for any L’s we pickup along the way. Perfectly adequate might be a better descriptor of how I feel about them.
Denver Hawker
I keep trying to think how this might have fallen differently. Hawks have made excellent value of what was available on the board.
In a slightly more perfect world. They trade 9 back into R1 and scoop a late R2. Go penning/Zion and a LB in R2.
Give me Tom, Woolen, or Clark is he’s healthy. Lindstrom would even be better than Blythe.
UPHawk
I wonder if two rookie/inexperienced tackles was anticipated at the start of free agency. Now that we have two tackles, the Will Dissly signing feels more imperative than if you had one side locked down with a Duane Brown or Trent Brown. I anticipate Dissly to have minimal offensive production and yet high snap counts. His success or failure will lie outside of individual catches/TD’s, but importantly value of contract should be seen by total offense production and the development of our tackles.
UkAlex6674
Very good shout here. Maybe the FO did have have plan…….
LB Joel Dublanko out of Cincinnati is from our church. His grandfather is our pastor. He’s had calls from Miami, Detroit, and Pittsburgh. Rob, any thoughts on zDublanko. He started for Cincy in the Alabama game.
I’m looking at Walker’s highlights again and he has a ton of Shady McCoy in his game.
line_hawk
Two Mike Leach tackles + Noah Fant + PC’s comment about “Tackles main job to Pass Protect” => How fun will it be if they begin to cook after the cook is gone?
Separately, what are the chances the Hawks pick top 3 next year?
Looking at the remaining CBs, who would be best described as “Desai’s guy?”
UkAlex6674
Just woke up here in UK to see how it went.
What a day 2! Couldn’t really have got any better. Especially Walker.
Come back with Clemons on Day 3 please.
Poli
CB Tariq Woolen at pick 109 for PC to coach up is what I’m hoping for
Jerry
Seconded. Seems like Richard Sherman 2.0.
Scot04
While he coul be a boom or bust prospect; in round 4 to me Winfrey has too much upside to not take a shot. If he can become a consistent player he would seriously help Seattle’s interior pressure. Just unsure if he gets past both Tampa & Cleveland who both have needs at DT.
He could one of the steals in this draft if he can become what he showed at the senior bowl & in glimpses during the season.
Here’s hoping he gets to us so we can add to the Defensive trenches
swedenhawk
If Perrion Winfrey is still available at 109, draft him.
After an underwhelming first day, day two could hardly have gone much better.
RealRhino2
Winfrey is at the top of my “board” for round 4 as well.
A couple of other cornerbacks I’d be fine with, like Cobe Bryant from Cincinnati or Zion McCallum because of his special teams acumen.
RealRhino2
Just ran the simulator with what’s left, and I think I’ve shifted to getting one of the CBs in R4. Found two later-round iDL I remember liking, Thomas Booker from Stanford and the guy from UCLA, Ogbuiji (?). So let’s try for a CB at 109.
Ukhawk
Day 3 thoughts:
– Go CB @ 109 where value meets need. Prefer a bigger outside CB like Armor-Davis.
– Why not mirror OT and double dip at CB? Potentially Montaric Brown as a priority free agent!
– It’s a very deep WE class, why not grab one for value? Lockett wont be around forever and Eskridge remains a question mark
– Strongly consider Damone Clark who fits our profile. He’s is expected to fully recover from surgery during his rookie season and frankly we can wait.
Why does he fit? He went from average high school measurable when recruited to elite at LSU. He earned the famed LSU #18 jersey awarded to the “hardest worker” on the team and the leader who best represents LSU football both on and off the field. Watch his tape and see him marshaling on-field and directing his teammates, this guy is an alleged film. He is the biggest, fastest Linebacker in the draft and led SEC in tackles, was second in the Ncaa plus led all Linebackers in sacks and Tackles for loss. Not only can stop he the run, he can also cover and blitz well. During his last season, Clark recorded 135 tackles, 15 for a loss, 5.5 sacks, three passes defended, an interception, and two forced fumbles during the 2021 season.
Ukhawk
… deep WR class…
Ukhawk
Pardon the terrible grammar. I’ve been up late too albeit not as bad as Rob!
Ukhawk
Also would like to possible add another DE or rush OLB in the later rounds or as a UDFA
Know Rob likes Cleamons but I’d prefer:
Christopher Allen
Tyrell Hill or
Adam Anderson (possible UFDA -everyone deserves a second chance)
Ukhawk
Tyreke Hill
RealRhino2
Echo your thoughts about WR. Kyle Phillips from UCLA is possibly the best slot wide receiver on the board and he is a terrific, feisty blocker in the run game. I think he’d be a very good hedge for Eskridge if he still there in the fifth.
Ukhawk
Rob
When u catch-up on your sleep, I can’t wait for the draft breakdowns on each player.
Thanks for sharing the video. It really gives insight into Lucas. What a great pick!
Veryal
What are peoples thoughts on Brandon Smith LB from Penn State? Super bummed we barely missed out on Tindall because grabbing him would’ve been the perfect day 2
MychestisBeastmode
Putting this back out there and will repost on the Day 3 thread since today is hopefully his day.
…..
For those who’ve followed my posts about my cousin, a small college OL garnering NFL interest, Sebastian Gutierrez. He’s been told by scouts he’ll be a guard or center though he played Left tackle at Minot State in North Dakota, who is throwing a Day 3 draft party for him as well. He was a D2 2nd Team All-American. His pro day was excellent. I have heard he’s garnered interest from the Seahawks, Packers and Colts. I am so damn proud of this goofy kid who grew into a mountain of man.
Here’s a link to a Packers draft blog (maybe Rob’s long lost cheeseheah twin?). Shows his RAS right up there with Jurgen and above Zion. Not much additional information than that. But still cool to see how he comps compared to other better known prospects on one type of athletic profile.
And unfortunately there is absolutely no film anywhere from what I can tell. His school has rights to it and for reasons unbeknownst to me they do not share it.
Sea Mode
Super cool. Can’t wait to see where he gets his shot. Guys with profiles like that usually get drafted.
Jabroni-DC
Sweet!
Will be rooting for his NFL dream to be realized.
UkAlex6674
Pumped with the Walker pick. He is going to bring it. You want to know what the Seahawks identity is? Here it is.
What a good draft so far by Seattle.
Let’s get some D on day 3, plenty to go at.
So far, so damn good.
Sea Mode
Same. I love the Walker pick. Jukes to get defenders off balance, runs through contact, breakaway 4.3 speed. It’s a deadly combo.
Bobby54
So we took two tackles better known for their finesse/agility than power/strength and added Walker who is a beast at outside runs (well he is a beast at everything but those cuts to the outside are just next level). Does that mean its Shanes offense now?
My thoughts also.
Also kind of a FU to Wilson as a parting shot?
Tyler
I was hoping for a defense-heavy top of the draft. However, I see a lot of value in this approach to a rebuild. They’ve put themselves in a great position to evaluate Drew Lock and whoever else they bring in at QB. QB aside, this looks like a quality offense.
Suppose a QB works out. They can load up on defense next draft. But if, as expected, they don’t have an answer at QB, next year’s QB will be able to hit the ground running.
Henry Taylor
Wow! What a night for Seahawks fans. The one thing I wanted to see above all else was a clear vision n this draft and that’s what we got. Abe Lucas was such a goddam steal.
And still so much talent on the board, I really like Perrion Winfrey, his tape is inconsistent (although I wouldn’t go as far as Rob in how bad it is) but he was one of the dominant players at the Senior Bowl and, whilst I wish he had done more testing, what we have on him (4.89 40 and 1.71 10 at 290lbs with 35″ arms) is elite.
I would also be in favour of, with this being a offense heavy draft so far, using the money saved from Carson, Dunlap and anyone else to bring back Clowney. Let him create some chaos with all this young guys rotating in around him.
Mexican Hawk
Still a ways to go but the hidden gem of this “rebuild” can also be the Un-Drafted Free Agent’s (UDFA). Back in their heyday those were a key part of what they built. Letter from John to Doug Baldwin famously comes to mind. Jermaine Kearse was another UDFA bedrock of the SBowl team.
Once the roster got stacked it became harder to attract those hungry left out studs. Pete’s culture, as per current scenario, fits perfectly with these fellows. Agents know this. Here’s to hoping after the draft is over, the phones are hit hard and something good comes about!
This first came to mind when I thought about trading up, side effect being losing some late draft capital. Either way it should be a key part of the rebuild. #alwayscompete.
Exciting times. Let’s roll!
D
there’s gonna be some amazingly good value in udfas this year. The amount of talent is insane
GoHawksDani
I think PCJS made a smarter decision than most of us would.
Going tackle this time is the perfect opportunity.
College tackles will likely need 1-2-3 years to get the hang of the NFL. Getting them now will allow us to protect our future QB in year 3 of the rebuild when we might have a chance to contend.
And it’s not reasonable to get a franchise OT in FA without some downside (age, health, etc). We can get good iOL in FA or R2 next year but if we go QB, we won’t have the ammo to get one next year.
They identified Cross as their future LT and went for it. They got lucky with Lucas and took the opportunity. I hope both work out and we have our future LT and RT.
Walker could be a difference maker. I think he’s much better than Penny and he could ease the pain of year1 rebuild with some highlight runs.
Mafe is a value pick. A need and a good player met. I don’t think he’ll be uber special but he could be pretty good
Sea Mode
Really cool to see KJ back in the building welcoming Cross:
Couldn’t be happier about how day 2 played out. Grabbing Lucas to bookend the other side is an absolute wet dream…and we keep the Wazzu guy home!
Walker….perfect back for what we want to do and to pair with a hopefully healthy Penny. I don’t see Carson getting back on the field honestly, so this was definitely a need.
Say what you will about the value of RBs or the way the modern game views rushing as a whole…the Hawks have their own brand of football. Taking a RB like Walker where they did rings true to that brand. They obviously don’t see the QB class as something they want to dip into this year, and most of the league agreed with them. Why force a bad pick on a QB that has serious limitations and will have a really bad supporting cast around him? That’s how you turn into the Browns. I don’t think it is any indication of how they view their current QB room but more of a statement on this QB class as a whole. Embrace what we have this year, build the team, invest next year when you have multiple 1sts to use on one if needed.
On a side note: the Jets absolutely killed the first two days…really dates back to swindling JS. Smdh
Sea Mode
@Rob: sent email if you have a chance.
Hawk Finn
Calling back to my skepticism entering this draft. I am absolutely over the moon with the picks thus far. I have even warmed up to the Cross selection in round one. Easy A for me thus far. Haven’t been this excited about a draft class since 2012.
Peter
It’s a solid draft for sure.
Glad that feels obvious that you can’t say rebuilding to the fans but that’s at least what’s going on on the oline.
Dregur
I think the Cross pick, partnered with the Lucas pick, makes me think the Seahawks really did have a strong plan going into the draft to fix the offensive line, especially with the lack of FA movement pre-draft. They went pure zone read offensive guys too, no more square pegs in round holes.
samprassultanofswat
Guess who Boye Maye’s comp is similar to(according Lindy’s football magazine)? The answer is: Uchenna Nwosu. Yes that is correct. Boye Maye’s comps are similar to Uchenna Nwosu. The Hawks now have Uchenna Nwosu, Darrell Taylor, Boye Maye and Alton to get after the passer. Plus don’t sleep on Shelby Harris as an interrior pass rusher.
Kay Adams of the NFL Network had Malik Willis going number two overall to the Detroit Lions. Really! Build up the guy’s hope for a major let down. No wonder Willis was crying when he was taken LATE in the 3rd round. Willis doesn’t realize it. But he could not have gone to a better situation. Willis needs to develop. He can watch Tannehill for two years. Then see what happens.
I am so glad the Hawks did not WASTE a pick on a QB. With these first four picks. Like Rob said. You are not going to fill all your holes in this draft. But your are building a foundation. The Hawks still have the 4th pick starting today(Saturday). Plus two early picks in the 5th round. But here is the “kicker”. John Schneider has two first round picks and two second round picks next year. I would say with the next pick. You gotta go defense.
Just saw a short video on Abraham Lucas. Dedicated warrior. Great person. All around good guy. Abraham Lucas has great parents who put their kids first.
Rob: You are the man. Love your insights. Appreciate all the time/effort you put into your blog.
Value over need. (Remember eventually every position will be position of need)
DC
What’s more refreshing about this draft is that it seems to be JS in charge. He’s drafting guys for his coordinators systems. It’s not guys to play Pete ball.
Sea Mode
Was definitely nice to see them hand over the phone to a happy Hurtt and Waldron/Dickerson. Looks like they got the guys they asked for.
Wonder what Desai might want since supposedly they promised him some players too to get him to sign…
Ulsterman
It made such a difference that they took players we talked about and liked on this blog, rather than complete wtf picks.
I have to admit I thought they’d make a balls of it but love what they’ve done so far.
Seem to be quite a few good cornerbacks left and would still love to see Zach Tom become a Seahawk, be good to have another hard as nails DE called Clemons too.
D
i’d love them to take tom first up. That would be the o line essentially sorted for the next five years at least you’d hope. Then see which cb last through to the next pick followed by Eyioma Uwazurike if he’s still there
Henry Taylor
KW3’s game against Michigan is reminiscent of CEH against Alabama. In the teams’ biggest game of the year, there was a back absolutely willing his team to victory, growing as the game goes on and putting the game on his back.
Yeah I liked Hall more, and I would still have preferred a pick for the defence at that spot. But I imagine I’ll re-watch that game several times between now and preseason. He’s not a hard to get excited about whatsoever.
Side note though, watching all the draft calls his was the weirdest, he seems very nonchalant about being drafted.
Second side note, they handed the phone to Andy Dickerson on the Abe Lucas call. What a look for that guy, Afro, beard and Hawaiian shirt, you love to see it. Interesting pairing with the very neat and groomed Waldron.
The other Rob
Give me Tom, Clemson, and Coan to round out the draft. Go Hawks!
Sea Mode
I’m gonna go ahead and jump on board with those who have been looking at Perrion Winfrey here at 109.
They’ve got their safe character picks up until now. I’d even go so far as to say all four guys are soft spoken, calm personalities and I wonder if this has become almost a sort of new focus for early-round picks. If they want to continue that trend, take a look at Matthew Butler from Tennessee in R5. He’s solid, but just doesn’t get me excited.
I say now’s the right moment to take a risk. Go get a guy with upside who plays with his hair on fire and can blow up some plays. Coach him up. He’s still 21.
Woolen is 6’4″-209 played WR for 2 yrs. Then switched to CB in the year of the pandemic. Really only has one full yr. of playing CB. He is a little stiff in the hips. I can see him as someone PC would love to get his hands on to coach up. Sounds like a Sherman story to me. And I would bet Pete see’s him as such.
JJ
What would it take in draft capital to get a mid 4th using next year’s picks?
Sea Mode
Using next years picks only? Big no-no for me, but it would likely take our R3 pick since future picks are basically de-valued one round. Or R4+R5 picks maybe.
samprassultanofswat
Having both Penny/Walker at running back is going to really help the running game. Having a solid running game will help to take pressure off of the starting QB(Hopefully it is Drew Lock).
A quarterback’s best friend is a STRONG running game. No question.
Russell Wilson tells everyone he wants to win Super Bowls. Really??? It looks to me like Wilson is more in yardage, stats, TD passes, winning an M.V.P. and making as much money as possible. If Russell Wilson was interested in winning a Super Bowl(s) he would go the Tom Brady road to the Super Bowl.
Russell Wilson is a hard worker. All around good guy. But he has an ego problem. To me it seems for some reason he rubbed he teammates the wrong way.
Russell Wilson wants to be Patrick Mahomes. Well Russell Wilson you are NOT Patrick Mahomes. What Russell WIlson doesn’t understand is that the Broncos gave up good players and premium draft picks to acquire you. The Broncos gave up a Ton. Plus now they are going to have to pay you, your ridiculous salary requirements. This is going to force the Broncos to make cuts in personnel. They may even be forced to go CHEAP on the offensive line because of your salary requirements. What Russell Wilson doesn’t understand is that you can’t have it all. You can’t be paid the top salary in the NFL and then be surrounded by having the most talented teammates. It doesn’t work that way. You can’t expect to be paid top dollar and your teammates go on the cheap. When is the last time the top paid QB in the NFL won a Super Bowl? Plus I am dying to see how well you will play in Denver during the months of November, December and January. Plus not only is the AFC West going to be tough. The entire AFC period is BRUTAL. It’s not like the Tom Brady days when you were winning 5 or 6 games against weak AFC East opponents. Which would fatten(don’t know if that is a word) your record. And then give give you home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
So Russell WIlson. Go ahead and do your thing in Denver.
Russ had nothing to do with the bad drafting and bad trades and bad free agency and unlucky injuries, which is why the Seahawks haven’t won. Sure, Russ isn’t Tom Brady, but nobody is. Pete’s not Bill Belichick. There’s a resin those two are outliers.
I get you don’t like Russ as a person or player. Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like your opinion man. But you’re blaming him for way more issues than he’s even close to being remotely responsible for.
Roy Batty
It was excruciating every time they cut away to Ridder’s draft party.
They kept the camera on him, his partner and mom for WAAAAAY too long.
We get it. He’s falling and no one has a clue when he will get picked. So, stop cutting back to him.
I felt bad for the guy.
On the flip side, it could have been even worse. Imagine him and his entourage in the green room for nearly 2 days? Would they have even brought a change of fancy clothes just in case what happened happened, or would they have just had the one outfit?
I hope to pick up Pierre Strong Jr. I love this kid
LB is a big need now that we are running 3-4
UkAlex6674
Then how has GB managed it since Le Fleur took over and Rodgers has commanded as much as he has?
UkAlex6674
Meant as response to SultanofSwat
Troy
Rob has got to love this draft. He wanted a build the trenches/ignore QB draft, and that’s exactly what we got.
LT of the future, check.
RT of the future, check.
Explosive fast RB who can contribute huge day one, check.
Cliff Avril potential defensive end to bookend with DT, check.
Fucking awesome, I’m stoked as hell.
For next few pics, would love a CB and linebacker, but man to potentially come away with 4 plus starters in a draft would be some 2010-2012 draft type shit.
Troy
Re Avril comments, watch this clip at 1:03… https://youtu.be/SSyuwM5Teos
That awesome quick burst, and then the strip sack…looks familiar. Can’t wait to see this guy rush the passer.
Seattle Person
You can make an argument that the Seahawks now have more explosive skill players than Denver. Not saying the offense is better but just the skill positions.
Mick
Wishing Wilson personally all the best in his life and career, but I couldn’t care less about what happens in Denver.
Sea Mode
I must admit, that run of Kerby Joseph, Tindall, Chenal, Bruss before our pick was tough.
Sea Mode
Sharing the visits tracker one last time in case anyone wants to remember some day 3 names they had in for a visit:
Reminder as well that Perrion Winfrey had some kind of visit with the Seahawks. 👀
Jabroni-DC
Thanks Mode, awesome info.
Jabroni-DC
Beavers
Munford
Otton
Perry
Onujiogu
Goode
Walker
*Winfrey*
D
rasheed walker might be one to keep an eye on….brett kollmann from bootleg seemed to think he might be a tackle to guard conversion candidate.
D
this should have been in reply to sea modes post above
Dustin
I think you gotta take Clemons in the 4th and take a shot on a CB and LB in the 5th. Grab a center with the 7th. With such a deep UDFA pool this year seems likely we can pick up some hidden gems too.
Tecmo Bowl
Are we to believe that JS is going to go through the entire draft without making a trade?! It’s been odd yet refreshing to see the Hawks stick and pick 4 consecutive times.
Roy Batty
It’s indicative of the depth of talent this year. When the rush started for WR’s, I knew they would have a lot more players to choose from, as opposed to years prior. So many names in areas of need kept creeping down the board.
Jabroni-DC
Crazy thought time…
Bring KJ back for one season as a bridge player/coach at ILB. Not necessarily as a starter but as a great presence.
Tecmo Bowl
Danny Trevathon is sitting there, has been with Desai in Chicago. Could be a solid pick up.
Hopefully the lesson of the QBs will wake up some of the faux commentators about how to look at talent. We in Rob’s house knew the truth that this crop was simply not up to snuff, but seeing QBs mocked in the top 10 and four of them going in the first round was painful to watch.
Even some of the big names (McShay?) had the QBs going too early. Don’t these guys know to check with Rob once in a while?
Sea Mode
Here’s a super athlete they could develop at LB. Seems to be able to cover and rush.
With his athletic profile he would be worth a day 3 pick IMO.
D
i wouldn’t be unhappy if this was how our picks fell…
109.
Zach Tom
OT Wake Forest
SEA
145.
Damarri Mathis
CB Pittsburgh
SEA
153.
Eyioma Uwazurike
DT Iowa State
SEA
229.
Jeremiah Moon
LB Florida
CR
I would be so happy with this. I just can’t see Mathis lasting that long. Also want Darrian Beavers if he lasts until our R5 pick
no frickin clue
So we go 4, 5, 5, 7.
I’d like to move down off of the 4, maybe turn that into a low 4 plus a 6.
Some of the guys that I’d be targeting today if they fall to us:
– Zach Tom
– JoJo Domann
– Bo Melton
– Zyon McCollum
– and, of course, the irrepressible Cade York
UkAlex6674
Dear lord. Just because a QB wasn’t taken the amount of people that equates that to ‘oh well we are obviously going to tank next season then’ is absolutely mind blowing. Or ‘mini-tank’.
Just NO! For all his faults PC isn’t going to let any team of his tank.
Happy Hawk
Couple questions:
1. Can Z Toms play center?
2. Did Nevada QB Strong make an official visit to Seattle?
3. Is Romeo Doubs on our radar?
My instincts: Best player available P Winfrey
D
yes
not thats been reported
i would think he’s on our board but i’d think we may only add udfa wrs
CR
Doubs had a pre draft visit with the Seahawks so I would say he is on the radar
CaptainJack
We are far enough into the draft that I’d feel comfortable taking a QB. I’d prefer another oline or corner.
If Howell is the pick I’d actually be kind of excited. Fun highlight reel. Remember that dak Prescott was a fourth rounder. But it can’t just be lock and geno at camp…
Spectator
Didn’t we get Jaylen Armour-Davis and Josh Jobes former coach? I will be utterly surprised if we don’t get either of those two with our first pick today. Granted it will be as surprising I was at how well we picked yesterday haha
samprassultanofswat
Spectator: Karl Scott coached at Alabama. (I might be wrong) but I believe that Scott did coach Jaylen Armour-Davis and Josh Jobes for a year or two at Alabama. I would have to do some research.
Only way this day could have been better is moving up a couple spots to get Tindall overall great day though!!
Agree
Better not put Sam Howell up there, you’ll get tarred and feathered around here.
I actually like him just as much as the other QBs in the draft (maybe more, honestly, but not because I think he’s great necessarily, but instead because everyone is mediocre) and don’t understand the hate for him whatsoever.
There’s too many attractive players left though and the Hawks have so many holes that it isn’t worth a flyer on a 10%-hit-rate-at-best quarterback this year. Load up in the trenches and high value positions (OTs, rush DEs, hopefully a CB that turns out alright) and give all these new offensive players a year to gel before going after a real QB prospect next year to slide into an otherwise functioning offense. Next year, put the draft focus on defense with the high picks.
No hate here (as if I could properly evaluate a QB anyways…). Now that we are past the 3rd round if they go QB it won’t be as damning given the players they would have missed out on instead (especially after the spectacular haul in rds 2 and 3 imo).
However, my thought has been that none of these QBs have enough upside or are polished enough to start soon to outweigh giving Lock a shot when compared to Lock’s athletic ability and flashes of talent (albeit far too inconsistent). So, I’d just as soon give Lock a chance thinking that it was always more likely our QB is in next year’s draft regardless of who we do or don’t draft at QB this year.
Keep loading up positional talent! There’s a bunch of quality still out there.
109 seems like a good spot to take a qb… my guess is that’s why they didn’t trade up. They can choose between Howell, Strong, Zappe and Coan.
My big board for the hawks going into day 3:
Zach Tom
Jaylen armour Davis
Damarri Mathis
Darrian beavers
Damone Clark
Matt waletzko
Tariq woolen
Michael Clemons
Jake Ferguson
Haskell Garrett
At least one will be there for round four. Keep it up PCJS!
Highest remaining players on Rob’s board (R3 grade or higher):
* = injury red flag
Offense
QB Carson Strong*
RB Dameon Pierce
RB Zamir White
WR Kevin Austin Jr
WR Calvin Austin
WR Khalil Shakir
WR Isaiah Weston
TE Cade Otton*
TE Charlie Kolar
TE Jake Ferguson
TE Daniel Bellinger
TE Cole Turner
OT Rasheed Walker
OT Obinna Eze
OT Matt Waletzko
OC Zach Tom
Defense
EDGE Michael Clemons
EDGE Dominique Robinson
EDGE Amare Barno
DT Perrion Winfrey
DT Matthew Butler
DT Eyioma Uwazurike
DT Haskell Garrett
LB Damone Clark*
LB Darrian Beavers
CB Damarri Mathis
CB Tariq Woolen
S Percy Butler
We need Cade York…
I’d prefer Dicker the kicker in the 7th.
So much talent.
I’m dipping OL one more time with Zach Tom at #109 & then defense the rest of the way. Two DBs unless Damone Clark is there in the 5th & then stash him for 2022.
Tom, Clark and Clemons would be nice. Austin looks like a value pick at this point based on Rob’s bigboard.
This is exactly how I see it too
Like today’s selections for sure, but man is LB a major weakness on this team. Defense overall just seems like it will struggle this season.
The only thing that I am a little bummed about is not getting any additional picks on trade downs. You can’t take what isn’t offered, but in a draft like this a couple extra third or fourth rounders would be amazing.
Getting cute in the past and trading down has led us to picks like LJ Collier, we can’t complain about how this draft has shaken out so far. It’s an A so far.
Will someone please send this man some AirPods or something please? It’s the least he deserves. I would myself if I weren’t in so much debt.
Kenneth Walker might be better than Clyde Edwards-Helaire.
So glad no more aging & patch works OT.
Kind of wish they trade up for Logan Hall, a 6-6, 4.4 fireball DE.
Charles Cross/Damian Lewis/Zach Tom/Abe Lucas would be a great foundation for an OL. Would just need to fill Center or Guard next year depending on where Tom plays.
F Twitter talk guys.
IN retrospect,
I really really hate the kenneth walker pick. Waste of resources. Players just as good can be found in 5th/6th/7th rounds. Just a reminder that PCJS aren’t cut out for this job. Yeah they made good picks with Mafe and Lucas but there’s so much talent at 41 to choose from it’s disgusting they chose another running back
This sounds like a take you’d find on twitter. Kenneth Walker is way better than the RBs on Day 3.
I already broke this down. But bottom line the best runningbacks come in rounds 1-3.
There are hardly any runningbacks worth a damn passed the third round.
And the best? Well the majority come in round two.
Yeah people I think get biased by Carson but he was an outlier.
Best RBs in the league that are actual bellcows right now are all Round 1-3: Zeke Elliot, Nick Chubb, Derrick Henry, Joe Mixon, Jonathan Taylor, Alvin Kamara…
He’s a slightly taller Maurice Jones Drew comp. To be fair I did think it was a bit rich and was hoping for more Defense or O-Line bolstering. However, given Carson is probably done here and while I love Penny’s strong finish, his injury history needed a hedge. It’s just that this hedge has as much potential to be all pro as a healthy Penny ever did.
What are your thoughts on Brandon Smith? I was hoping for Tindall or Chenal, but I just read an article on nfldraftbuzz.com and they have Smith as their #3 lb overall, way ahead of Tindall and Chenal. Here’s what they had to say:
Brandon Smith is an amazing athlete with perfect size, strength, speed for the position and has always seemed likely to become a star. Despite this he hasn’t dominated in college quite to the extent we would have hoped and we have never given him a excellent grade as either a tackler or a run defender with his best rating coming in pass defense.
Smith will likely be overdrafted – possibly as high as the middle of the first round due to his sky high potential, but we view him as a late first-early second round pick in the 2022 NFL Draft based on his college game tape.
Is this a reliable website? Should I be rooting for us to take Brandon Smith in the 4th round tomorrow?
Go Hawks!
Based on what I know, I’m rooting for Tom C, Woolen CB, or Smith LB, but that’s what I love about the community on this site.
Let me know if there’s someone else that would help us more that I should be rooting for in round 4.
Thank you!
Go Hawks!
Just me but I would take LB Darrian Beavers at 109.
First time I watched him I saw a young, faster KJ wright. Bigger, longer, more explosive than Barton. Some pass rush. Plays in space very well.
Still some really good players left on the defensive side for sure!
Micah McFadden, LB Indiana
Eyioma Uwazurike, DT Iowa State
Jaylen Watson, CB Washington State
Percy Butler, S Louisiana
Beavers is my guy but I like a lot of those names.
Plus…i kind of think Seattle after meeting him would like Mr. Clemons.
Brandon Smith looks like Tarzan, plays like Jane.
Options at #109
OL Zach Tom
LB Damone Clark (redshirt in 2022)
CB Damarri Mathis
CB Jalyn Armour-Davis
CB Zion McCollum
Lots of CBs left.
Damone clark rob thinks may not play again.
Clark had a spinal fusion surgery. I don’t know where along his spine that took place but I had the same surgery at 18 yrs old. They cut out some hip bone, wired vertebrae together & packed it with that hip bone. It grew together and was stronger than original ligament that had torn. The downside is that the joints above and below the fused area will wear more over time. I was cleared for all contact sports post surgery and after the healing period.
It’s a risk for sure that he’ll never play. I guess I’d wait until the late 5th or 7th to take him. Still too many awesome players available at #109 who are ready to go.
I mean if it’s possible to come back, like you were, then i’d be all about it.
The Seattle Seahawks have been on a downward trajectory & slow bleed out since February 1st, 2015.
It feels like today we have officially turned the tide and started a growth cycle. It’s exciting!
Agreed. I feel like they basically just picked up four 1st rounders based off Rob’s board and the fact that an early 2nd round RB is basically where 1st round RBs of the past are now drafted. Feeling better about Cross pick knowing they obviously had the next 3 guys they drafted high on their board. Maybe letting the scouting department cook is a goid thing.
Feeling much better about cross now that there is a plan with lucas and hopefully lewis moving back.
Looking forward to running the rock and for fairness sake giving lock a chance to succeed.
Back on the PFN updated mock draft,
#109 – Zach Tom, OL, Wake Forest
#145 – Damarri Mathis, CB, Pittsburgh
#153 – Tariq Castro-Fields, CB, Penn State
#229 – Percy Butler, S, Louisiana
Not bad. Think Butler goes a roud earlier.
Rd 7: Dareke Young wr. But future gunner ala ricardo lockette
please. please. please. please.
zach tom
jalyn armour-davis
jake ferguson (or damone clark)
dareke young
please. please. please. please.
Some guys will get cut. Some cash will be available. Clowney and or Hicks are in play again. Or maybe it goes to Baker if there’s a trade. Or maybe it goes to DK when he’s paid $26 mil per year. Hoping it’s Clowney. Let’s go!
I’m a bit sad they didn’t manage to get Tindall or Chenal, but these picks look very good. I wonder if Mafe would have still been their choice with Ebiketie available. Walker is great news, hopefully the end of Carson, as sorry as I feel for him. And Lucas is a great pick. We can even consider moving Curhan or Stone inside. I really really love that we didn’t force a QB. My wish for 109 is a CB (maybe Woolen).
Yeah I have a strong feeling Atlanta jumped us to secure Ebikete. We were showing interest predraft in him and he was comped to Uchenna Nwosu by Zierlien. They were probably looking at that type of player. My guess is Mafe was probably graded similarly though. His top-30 interview with us must have gone well.
I’d go cb in the 5th, I think grabbing an LB in the 4th after a small trade down (I want to pick up a 6th badly) is the best case scenario. I feel LB is a bigger weakness as I think Barton as a starting LB is a bad situation, whereas I think Artie Burns will be this year’s DJ Reed and develop into a cb1 (that’s my early 2023 longshot prediction). Burns and Tre Brown (hopefully back at 100 percent by midseason) along with S Jones isn’t as bad as some might think at cb.
I’m bullish at CB’s on our current roster. I think Sydney and Tre likely win out but am happy if Artie takes it too because that would mean he outplayed one or both of a duo that I already feel won’t be liability. Not pro bowlers (or unlikely at least) but also I don’t think we’ll look back after games and blame the CB group for any L’s we pickup along the way. Perfectly adequate might be a better descriptor of how I feel about them.
I keep trying to think how this might have fallen differently. Hawks have made excellent value of what was available on the board.
In a slightly more perfect world. They trade 9 back into R1 and scoop a late R2. Go penning/Zion and a LB in R2.
Hoping for IOL, LB, CB depth from here.
When does the draft begin tomorrow?
9:00 AM PST.
noon
(eastern)
Thanks guys.
Give me Tom, Woolen, or Clark is he’s healthy. Lindstrom would even be better than Blythe.
I wonder if two rookie/inexperienced tackles was anticipated at the start of free agency. Now that we have two tackles, the Will Dissly signing feels more imperative than if you had one side locked down with a Duane Brown or Trent Brown. I anticipate Dissly to have minimal offensive production and yet high snap counts. His success or failure will lie outside of individual catches/TD’s, but importantly value of contract should be seen by total offense production and the development of our tackles.
Very good shout here. Maybe the FO did have have plan…….
PFN-ing the rest of the draft I can’t help myself
109. Jalyn Armour-Davis CB Alabama
152. Michael Clemons EDGE Texas A&M
153. Dameon Pierce RB Florida
191. Jack Coan QB Notre Dame
228. Percy Butler S Louisiana
232. Jeremiah Gemmel LB North Carolina
I’d murder for the back half of this draft.
LB Joel Dublanko out of Cincinnati is from our church. His grandfather is our pastor. He’s had calls from Miami, Detroit, and Pittsburgh. Rob, any thoughts on zDublanko. He started for Cincy in the Alabama game.
I thought murder was frowned upon in the church.
lol..
Jaylin, Clemons, Beavers, or Tom
109.Brandon Smith
LB Penn State
145.Damarri Mathis
CB Pittsburgh
153.Kevin Austin
WR Notre Dame
229.Jack Coan
QB Notre Dame
I’m looking at Walker’s highlights again and he has a ton of Shady McCoy in his game.
Two Mike Leach tackles + Noah Fant + PC’s comment about “Tackles main job to Pass Protect” => How fun will it be if they begin to cook after the cook is gone?
Separately, what are the chances the Hawks pick top 3 next year?
Lucas not an air raid tackle though
Looking at the remaining CBs, who would be best described as “Desai’s guy?”
Just woke up here in UK to see how it went.
What a day 2! Couldn’t really have got any better. Especially Walker.
Come back with Clemons on Day 3 please.
CB Tariq Woolen at pick 109 for PC to coach up is what I’m hoping for
Seconded. Seems like Richard Sherman 2.0.
While he coul be a boom or bust prospect; in round 4 to me Winfrey has too much upside to not take a shot. If he can become a consistent player he would seriously help Seattle’s interior pressure. Just unsure if he gets past both Tampa & Cleveland who both have needs at DT.
He could one of the steals in this draft if he can become what he showed at the senior bowl & in glimpses during the season.
Here’s hoping he gets to us so we can add to the Defensive trenches
If Perrion Winfrey is still available at 109, draft him.
After an underwhelming first day, day two could hardly have gone much better.
Winfrey is at the top of my “board” for round 4 as well.
1. Winfrey
2. Josh Jobe, CB
3. Jalyn Armour-Davies, CB
4. Darrian Beavers, LB
A couple of other cornerbacks I’d be fine with, like Cobe Bryant from Cincinnati or Zion McCallum because of his special teams acumen.
Just ran the simulator with what’s left, and I think I’ve shifted to getting one of the CBs in R4. Found two later-round iDL I remember liking, Thomas Booker from Stanford and the guy from UCLA, Ogbuiji (?). So let’s try for a CB at 109.
Day 3 thoughts:
– Go CB @ 109 where value meets need. Prefer a bigger outside CB like Armor-Davis.
– Why not mirror OT and double dip at CB? Potentially Montaric Brown as a priority free agent!
– It’s a very deep WE class, why not grab one for value? Lockett wont be around forever and Eskridge remains a question mark
– Strongly consider Damone Clark who fits our profile. He’s is expected to fully recover from surgery during his rookie season and frankly we can wait.
Why does he fit? He went from average high school measurable when recruited to elite at LSU. He earned the famed LSU #18 jersey awarded to the “hardest worker” on the team and the leader who best represents LSU football both on and off the field. Watch his tape and see him marshaling on-field and directing his teammates, this guy is an alleged film. He is the biggest, fastest Linebacker in the draft and led SEC in tackles, was second in the Ncaa plus led all Linebackers in sacks and Tackles for loss. Not only can stop he the run, he can also cover and blitz well. During his last season, Clark recorded 135 tackles, 15 for a loss, 5.5 sacks, three passes defended, an interception, and two forced fumbles during the 2021 season.
… deep WR class…
Pardon the terrible grammar. I’ve been up late too albeit not as bad as Rob!
Also would like to possible add another DE or rush OLB in the later rounds or as a UDFA
Know Rob likes Cleamons but I’d prefer:
Christopher Allen
Tyrell Hill or
Adam Anderson (possible UFDA -everyone deserves a second chance)
Tyreke Hill
Echo your thoughts about WR. Kyle Phillips from UCLA is possibly the best slot wide receiver on the board and he is a terrific, feisty blocker in the run game. I think he’d be a very good hedge for Eskridge if he still there in the fifth.
Rob
When u catch-up on your sleep, I can’t wait for the draft breakdowns on each player.
Abe Lucus story is amazing, what a great guy to have in the program:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fk5eH9czdHY
Pretty cool stuff on Walker – seems like a determined, mature kid and gets me excited.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8qyRUqJz8AI
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uH_wQ3hqwUo
Here is some exciting stuff on Mafe, very impressive and well grounded young man:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iC2HB7vn7b0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dw7dM-UH7Go
Thanks for sharing the video. It really gives insight into Lucas. What a great pick!
What are peoples thoughts on Brandon Smith LB from Penn State? Super bummed we barely missed out on Tindall because grabbing him would’ve been the perfect day 2
Putting this back out there and will repost on the Day 3 thread since today is hopefully his day.
…..
For those who’ve followed my posts about my cousin, a small college OL garnering NFL interest, Sebastian Gutierrez. He’s been told by scouts he’ll be a guard or center though he played Left tackle at Minot State in North Dakota, who is throwing a Day 3 draft party for him as well. He was a D2 2nd Team All-American. His pro day was excellent. I have heard he’s garnered interest from the Seahawks, Packers and Colts. I am so damn proud of this goofy kid who grew into a mountain of man.
TEF: 3.20; wTEF: 98.56
Measurements:
H: 6′ 4 3/4″
Wt: 308
Hand: 10 1/2″
Arm: 32 7/8″
Wing: 79 5/8″
40: 5.10
Vert: 32.5″
Broad: 9′ 4″
Bench: 28 reps
Shuttle: 4.68
3 Cone: 7.58
Here’s profile piece from a local news outlet in him. Nothing substantive about his abilities but gives some insight to character and background.
https://mydakotan.com/2022/04/waiting-for-the-call/
Here’s a link to a Packers draft blog (maybe Rob’s long lost cheeseheah twin?). Shows his RAS right up there with Jurgen and above Zion. Not much additional information than that. But still cool to see how he comps compared to other better known prospects on one type of athletic profile.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/atbnetwork.com/2022/04/21/packers-board-for-the-2022-nfl-draft-offense/%3famp=1
And unfortunately there is absolutely no film anywhere from what I can tell. His school has rights to it and for reasons unbeknownst to me they do not share it.
Super cool. Can’t wait to see where he gets his shot. Guys with profiles like that usually get drafted.
Sweet!
Will be rooting for his NFL dream to be realized.
Pumped with the Walker pick. He is going to bring it. You want to know what the Seahawks identity is? Here it is.
What a good draft so far by Seattle.
Let’s get some D on day 3, plenty to go at.
So far, so damn good.
Same. I love the Walker pick. Jukes to get defenders off balance, runs through contact, breakaway 4.3 speed. It’s a deadly combo.
So we took two tackles better known for their finesse/agility than power/strength and added Walker who is a beast at outside runs (well he is a beast at everything but those cuts to the outside are just next level). Does that mean its Shanes offense now?
My thoughts also.
Also kind of a FU to Wilson as a parting shot?
I was hoping for a defense-heavy top of the draft. However, I see a lot of value in this approach to a rebuild. They’ve put themselves in a great position to evaluate Drew Lock and whoever else they bring in at QB. QB aside, this looks like a quality offense.
Suppose a QB works out. They can load up on defense next draft. But if, as expected, they don’t have an answer at QB, next year’s QB will be able to hit the ground running.
Wow! What a night for Seahawks fans. The one thing I wanted to see above all else was a clear vision n this draft and that’s what we got. Abe Lucas was such a goddam steal.
And still so much talent on the board, I really like Perrion Winfrey, his tape is inconsistent (although I wouldn’t go as far as Rob in how bad it is) but he was one of the dominant players at the Senior Bowl and, whilst I wish he had done more testing, what we have on him (4.89 40 and 1.71 10 at 290lbs with 35″ arms) is elite.
I would also be in favour of, with this being a offense heavy draft so far, using the money saved from Carson, Dunlap and anyone else to bring back Clowney. Let him create some chaos with all this young guys rotating in around him.
Still a ways to go but the hidden gem of this “rebuild” can also be the Un-Drafted Free Agent’s (UDFA). Back in their heyday those were a key part of what they built. Letter from John to Doug Baldwin famously comes to mind. Jermaine Kearse was another UDFA bedrock of the SBowl team.
Once the roster got stacked it became harder to attract those hungry left out studs. Pete’s culture, as per current scenario, fits perfectly with these fellows. Agents know this. Here’s to hoping after the draft is over, the phones are hit hard and something good comes about!
This first came to mind when I thought about trading up, side effect being losing some late draft capital. Either way it should be a key part of the rebuild. #alwayscompete.
Exciting times. Let’s roll!
there’s gonna be some amazingly good value in udfas this year. The amount of talent is insane
I think PCJS made a smarter decision than most of us would.
Going tackle this time is the perfect opportunity.
College tackles will likely need 1-2-3 years to get the hang of the NFL. Getting them now will allow us to protect our future QB in year 3 of the rebuild when we might have a chance to contend.
And it’s not reasonable to get a franchise OT in FA without some downside (age, health, etc). We can get good iOL in FA or R2 next year but if we go QB, we won’t have the ammo to get one next year.
They identified Cross as their future LT and went for it. They got lucky with Lucas and took the opportunity. I hope both work out and we have our future LT and RT.
Walker could be a difference maker. I think he’s much better than Penny and he could ease the pain of year1 rebuild with some highlight runs.
Mafe is a value pick. A need and a good player met. I don’t think he’ll be uber special but he could be pretty good
Really cool to see KJ back in the building welcoming Cross:
https://youtu.be/ENrGip6vwoM?t=83
And Cliff reaching out to Mafe!
Love seeing the legends still engaged like this!
Couldn’t be happier about how day 2 played out. Grabbing Lucas to bookend the other side is an absolute wet dream…and we keep the Wazzu guy home!
Walker….perfect back for what we want to do and to pair with a hopefully healthy Penny. I don’t see Carson getting back on the field honestly, so this was definitely a need.
Say what you will about the value of RBs or the way the modern game views rushing as a whole…the Hawks have their own brand of football. Taking a RB like Walker where they did rings true to that brand. They obviously don’t see the QB class as something they want to dip into this year, and most of the league agreed with them. Why force a bad pick on a QB that has serious limitations and will have a really bad supporting cast around him? That’s how you turn into the Browns. I don’t think it is any indication of how they view their current QB room but more of a statement on this QB class as a whole. Embrace what we have this year, build the team, invest next year when you have multiple 1sts to use on one if needed.
On a side note: the Jets absolutely killed the first two days…really dates back to swindling JS. Smdh
@Rob: sent email if you have a chance.
Calling back to my skepticism entering this draft. I am absolutely over the moon with the picks thus far. I have even warmed up to the Cross selection in round one. Easy A for me thus far. Haven’t been this excited about a draft class since 2012.
It’s a solid draft for sure.
Glad that feels obvious that you can’t say rebuilding to the fans but that’s at least what’s going on on the oline.
I think the Cross pick, partnered with the Lucas pick, makes me think the Seahawks really did have a strong plan going into the draft to fix the offensive line, especially with the lack of FA movement pre-draft. They went pure zone read offensive guys too, no more square pegs in round holes.
Guess who Boye Maye’s comp is similar to(according Lindy’s football magazine)? The answer is: Uchenna Nwosu. Yes that is correct. Boye Maye’s comps are similar to Uchenna Nwosu. The Hawks now have Uchenna Nwosu, Darrell Taylor, Boye Maye and Alton to get after the passer. Plus don’t sleep on Shelby Harris as an interrior pass rusher.
Kay Adams of the NFL Network had Malik Willis going number two overall to the Detroit Lions. Really! Build up the guy’s hope for a major let down. No wonder Willis was crying when he was taken LATE in the 3rd round. Willis doesn’t realize it. But he could not have gone to a better situation. Willis needs to develop. He can watch Tannehill for two years. Then see what happens.
I am so glad the Hawks did not WASTE a pick on a QB. With these first four picks. Like Rob said. You are not going to fill all your holes in this draft. But your are building a foundation. The Hawks still have the 4th pick starting today(Saturday). Plus two early picks in the 5th round. But here is the “kicker”. John Schneider has two first round picks and two second round picks next year. I would say with the next pick. You gotta go defense.
Just saw a short video on Abraham Lucas. Dedicated warrior. Great person. All around good guy. Abraham Lucas has great parents who put their kids first.
Rob: You are the man. Love your insights. Appreciate all the time/effort you put into your blog.
Value over need. (Remember eventually every position will be position of need)
What’s more refreshing about this draft is that it seems to be JS in charge. He’s drafting guys for his coordinators systems. It’s not guys to play Pete ball.
Was definitely nice to see them hand over the phone to a happy Hurtt and Waldron/Dickerson. Looks like they got the guys they asked for.
LB Boye Mafe Gets The Draft Call at No. 40 Overall | Seahawks Draft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wi7hO1bNJg
Wonder what Desai might want since supposedly they promised him some players too to get him to sign…
It made such a difference that they took players we talked about and liked on this blog, rather than complete wtf picks.
I have to admit I thought they’d make a balls of it but love what they’ve done so far.
Seem to be quite a few good cornerbacks left and would still love to see Zach Tom become a Seahawk, be good to have another hard as nails DE called Clemons too.
i’d love them to take tom first up. That would be the o line essentially sorted for the next five years at least you’d hope. Then see which cb last through to the next pick followed by Eyioma Uwazurike if he’s still there
KW3’s game against Michigan is reminiscent of CEH against Alabama. In the teams’ biggest game of the year, there was a back absolutely willing his team to victory, growing as the game goes on and putting the game on his back.
Yeah I liked Hall more, and I would still have preferred a pick for the defence at that spot. But I imagine I’ll re-watch that game several times between now and preseason. He’s not a hard to get excited about whatsoever.
Side note though, watching all the draft calls his was the weirdest, he seems very nonchalant about being drafted.
Second side note, they handed the phone to Andy Dickerson on the Abe Lucas call. What a look for that guy, Afro, beard and Hawaiian shirt, you love to see it. Interesting pairing with the very neat and groomed Waldron.
Give me Tom, Clemson, and Coan to round out the draft. Go Hawks!
I’m gonna go ahead and jump on board with those who have been looking at Perrion Winfrey here at 109.
They’ve got their safe character picks up until now. I’d even go so far as to say all four guys are soft spoken, calm personalities and I wonder if this has become almost a sort of new focus for early-round picks. If they want to continue that trend, take a look at Matthew Butler from Tennessee in R5. He’s solid, but just doesn’t get me excited.
I say now’s the right moment to take a risk. Go get a guy with upside who plays with his hair on fire and can blow up some plays. Coach him up. He’s still 21.
Perrion Winfrey Senior Bowl Highlights and Scouting Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXoGjSyQFrQ
Always Improving: Matthew Butler
https://youtu.be/lKRvNz1vQBc
Tariq Woolen? 6’2′ 4.2 40. I recall Robs guest mentioning his otherworldly attributes. Im sure Carroll would like this
He is an incredible athlete with great size and length. But is he a good CB?
Safety?
Special teams
Woolen is 6’4″-209 played WR for 2 yrs. Then switched to CB in the year of the pandemic. Really only has one full yr. of playing CB. He is a little stiff in the hips. I can see him as someone PC would love to get his hands on to coach up. Sounds like a Sherman story to me. And I would bet Pete see’s him as such.
What would it take in draft capital to get a mid 4th using next year’s picks?
Using next years picks only? Big no-no for me, but it would likely take our R3 pick since future picks are basically de-valued one round. Or R4+R5 picks maybe.
Having both Penny/Walker at running back is going to really help the running game. Having a solid running game will help to take pressure off of the starting QB(Hopefully it is Drew Lock).
A quarterback’s best friend is a STRONG running game. No question.
Russell Wilson tells everyone he wants to win Super Bowls. Really??? It looks to me like Wilson is more in yardage, stats, TD passes, winning an M.V.P. and making as much money as possible. If Russell Wilson was interested in winning a Super Bowl(s) he would go the Tom Brady road to the Super Bowl.
Russell Wilson is a hard worker. All around good guy. But he has an ego problem. To me it seems for some reason he rubbed he teammates the wrong way.
Russell Wilson wants to be Patrick Mahomes. Well Russell Wilson you are NOT Patrick Mahomes. What Russell WIlson doesn’t understand is that the Broncos gave up good players and premium draft picks to acquire you. The Broncos gave up a Ton. Plus now they are going to have to pay you, your ridiculous salary requirements. This is going to force the Broncos to make cuts in personnel. They may even be forced to go CHEAP on the offensive line because of your salary requirements. What Russell Wilson doesn’t understand is that you can’t have it all. You can’t be paid the top salary in the NFL and then be surrounded by having the most talented teammates. It doesn’t work that way. You can’t expect to be paid top dollar and your teammates go on the cheap. When is the last time the top paid QB in the NFL won a Super Bowl? Plus I am dying to see how well you will play in Denver during the months of November, December and January. Plus not only is the AFC West going to be tough. The entire AFC period is BRUTAL. It’s not like the Tom Brady days when you were winning 5 or 6 games against weak AFC East opponents. Which would fatten(don’t know if that is a word) your record. And then give give you home field advantage throughout the playoffs.
So Russell WIlson. Go ahead and do your thing in Denver.
Russ had nothing to do with the bad drafting and bad trades and bad free agency and unlucky injuries, which is why the Seahawks haven’t won. Sure, Russ isn’t Tom Brady, but nobody is. Pete’s not Bill Belichick. There’s a resin those two are outliers.
I get you don’t like Russ as a person or player. Yeah, well, you know, that’s just like your opinion man. But you’re blaming him for way more issues than he’s even close to being remotely responsible for.
It was excruciating every time they cut away to Ridder’s draft party.
They kept the camera on him, his partner and mom for WAAAAAY too long.
We get it. He’s falling and no one has a clue when he will get picked. So, stop cutting back to him.
I felt bad for the guy.
On the flip side, it could have been even worse. Imagine him and his entourage in the green room for nearly 2 days? Would they have even brought a change of fancy clothes just in case what happened happened, or would they have just had the one outfit?
Meant as response to Roy.
I hope to pick up Pierre Strong Jr. I love this kid
LB is a big need now that we are running 3-4
Then how has GB managed it since Le Fleur took over and Rodgers has commanded as much as he has?
Meant as response to SultanofSwat
Rob has got to love this draft. He wanted a build the trenches/ignore QB draft, and that’s exactly what we got.
LT of the future, check.
RT of the future, check.
Explosive fast RB who can contribute huge day one, check.
Cliff Avril potential defensive end to bookend with DT, check.
Fucking awesome, I’m stoked as hell.
For next few pics, would love a CB and linebacker, but man to potentially come away with 4 plus starters in a draft would be some 2010-2012 draft type shit.
Re Avril comments, watch this clip at 1:03…
https://youtu.be/SSyuwM5Teos
That awesome quick burst, and then the strip sack…looks familiar. Can’t wait to see this guy rush the passer.
You can make an argument that the Seahawks now have more explosive skill players than Denver. Not saying the offense is better but just the skill positions.
Wishing Wilson personally all the best in his life and career, but I couldn’t care less about what happens in Denver.
I must admit, that run of Kerby Joseph, Tindall, Chenal, Bruss before our pick was tough.
Sharing the visits tracker one last time in case anyone wants to remember some day 3 names they had in for a visit:
Seahawks visits/meeting/interest Tracker
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1J3d023YdKp9MFv7OQTy0YTssJ65qLd_aB0UJFGVHxPY/edit?usp=sharing
Reminder as well that Perrion Winfrey had some kind of visit with the Seahawks. 👀
Thanks Mode, awesome info.
Beavers
Munford
Otton
Perry
Onujiogu
Goode
Walker
*Winfrey*
rasheed walker might be one to keep an eye on….brett kollmann from bootleg seemed to think he might be a tackle to guard conversion candidate.
this should have been in reply to sea modes post above
I think you gotta take Clemons in the 4th and take a shot on a CB and LB in the 5th. Grab a center with the 7th. With such a deep UDFA pool this year seems likely we can pick up some hidden gems too.
Are we to believe that JS is going to go through the entire draft without making a trade?! It’s been odd yet refreshing to see the Hawks stick and pick 4 consecutive times.
It’s indicative of the depth of talent this year. When the rush started for WR’s, I knew they would have a lot more players to choose from, as opposed to years prior. So many names in areas of need kept creeping down the board.
Crazy thought time…
Bring KJ back for one season as a bridge player/coach at ILB. Not necessarily as a starter but as a great presence.
Danny Trevathon is sitting there, has been with Desai in Chicago. Could be a solid pick up.
If we want to play smash mouth fb, we should consider Zander Horvath rb.
All of the greatest Seahawks teams of years past hit their peak with a great RB as the heartbeat of the offense.
Curt Warner
Shaun Alexander
Marshawn Lynch
Kenneth Walker III (2025 Super Bowl Camp!?!)
Tell it, bro! That’s the straight-up truth (even if I did more or less miss the whole S Alexander era). 💯
Jabroni are you a Seventh day adventist? Preaching on a Saturday!
Curt Warner went #3 overall btw behind John Elway and Eric Dickerson.
Alexander and Beast Mode were both picked in the teens.
Walker at 41 is a steal!
Rickie Waters
Hopefully the lesson of the QBs will wake up some of the faux commentators about how to look at talent. We in Rob’s house knew the truth that this crop was simply not up to snuff, but seeing QBs mocked in the top 10 and four of them going in the first round was painful to watch.
Even some of the big names (McShay?) had the QBs going too early. Don’t these guys know to check with Rob once in a while?
Here’s a super athlete they could develop at LB. Seems to be able to cover and rush.
HARD Hitter 💥 || Penn State LB Brandon Smith Highlights ᴴᴰ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbU29bsPt10
With his athletic profile he would be worth a day 3 pick IMO.
i wouldn’t be unhappy if this was how our picks fell…
109.
Zach Tom
OT Wake Forest
SEA
145.
Damarri Mathis
CB Pittsburgh
SEA
153.
Eyioma Uwazurike
DT Iowa State
SEA
229.
Jeremiah Moon
LB Florida
I would be so happy with this. I just can’t see Mathis lasting that long. Also want Darrian Beavers if he lasts until our R5 pick
So we go 4, 5, 5, 7.
I’d like to move down off of the 4, maybe turn that into a low 4 plus a 6.
Some of the guys that I’d be targeting today if they fall to us:
– Zach Tom
– JoJo Domann
– Bo Melton
– Zyon McCollum
– and, of course, the irrepressible Cade York
Dear lord. Just because a QB wasn’t taken the amount of people that equates that to ‘oh well we are obviously going to tank next season then’ is absolutely mind blowing. Or ‘mini-tank’.
Just NO! For all his faults PC isn’t going to let any team of his tank.
Couple questions:
1. Can Z Toms play center?
2. Did Nevada QB Strong make an official visit to Seattle?
3. Is Romeo Doubs on our radar?
My instincts: Best player available P Winfrey
yes
not thats been reported
i would think he’s on our board but i’d think we may only add udfa wrs
Doubs had a pre draft visit with the Seahawks so I would say he is on the radar
We are far enough into the draft that I’d feel comfortable taking a QB. I’d prefer another oline or corner.
If Howell is the pick I’d actually be kind of excited. Fun highlight reel. Remember that dak Prescott was a fourth rounder. But it can’t just be lock and geno at camp…
Didn’t we get Jaylen Armour-Davis and Josh Jobes former coach? I will be utterly surprised if we don’t get either of those two with our first pick today. Granted it will be as surprising I was at how well we picked yesterday haha
Spectator: Karl Scott coached at Alabama. (I might be wrong) but I believe that Scott did coach Jaylen Armour-Davis and Josh Jobes for a year or two at Alabama. I would have to do some research.
Tom
Winfrey
Austin
Mathis, Woolen
Damn you Green Bay