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Tuesday links

Michael Lombardi has some interesting draft thoughts available via NFL.com, but they’re preempted by a warning. “As the NFL draft draws closer next week, understand that this is when we will begin hearing about teams wanting to trade up or down, or targeting a certain player or position. To which I say: Believe none of it.”

Lombardi also discusses why Ryan Mallett may be an option for Washington at #10.

I’m representing the Seahawks in a community mock for NE Patriots Draft. Take a look at the picks so far.

I also recently took part in another Q&A with Dan Kelly at Field Gulls.

Brandon Adams makes the case for the Seahawks drafting Ryan Mallett and perhaps even trading up to grab him.

Peter King has been touting in his MMQB column that Seahawks GM Jon Schneider is desperate to trade down. That maybe so – he admitted as much himself yesterday. In truth it means absolutely nothing – it could be a calculated ruse to throw teams off the scent of their actual intentions.

Evan Silva has an updated mock draft with the Seahawks taking Corey Liuget of Illinois.

Danny O’Neil makes the same pick for the Seahawks in NFL.com’s beat writers mock. I’m not convinced Liuget will make it to #25.

Blaine Gabbert takes his turn to meet Jon Gruden:

John Schneider: “I would like to move back”

John Schneider admits he'd like to trade down, but it's easier to trade up

Seahawks GM John Schneider held the first of two pre-draft press conferences today. It’s Schneider’s second draft with the team, working in partnership with Pete Carroll. You sense this could be a defining off-season, despite the current lockout which may or may not be ended prematurely via an injunction this week. Last year the key task was to hit on two top-15 picks to launch the start of a new era. With mission accomplished in that sense, the Seahawks now face the daunting proposition of following it up despite picking in the late first round.  

The playoff game was very exciting, special stuff, but it makes the building process more challenging.”  

Eric Williams from the Tacoma News Tribune writes that Schneider ‘admitted to cringing a little’ when the Seahawks defeated St. Louis in the final game of the regular season. Defeat would’ve secured the 8th overall selection, instead they could pick no earlier than 21st. The playoff victory over New Orleans essentially earned the 25th overall selection.  

Inevitably the discussion turned to quarterbacks. The Seahawks currently have Charlie Whitehurst contracted for 2011 on a deal worth around $4 million. Matt Hasselbeck is a free agent, as is JP Losman who acted as the team’s third quarterback for most of last season. Nate Davis was released shortly after signing a deal having left the San Francisco 49ers.  

Quarterback is the hardest position to evaluate. It’s not an area you could panic for but not an area you can overlook.”  

It’s a unique year in the quarterback class because the guys available are so different.”  

ESPN’s Mike Sando asked Schneider about Pete Carroll’s ideal for the position, a question he seemingly believed to be about Ryan Mallett. Sando: 

“Schneider apparently thought I was asking whether the slow-footed Ryan Mallett would fit in Seattle’s offense, but I had no one in mind. Schneider: ‘From a pure, uh, I’m reading your mind with this, I’m going to be really careful how I answer this. Pete and (quarterbacks coach) Carl (Smith) coached Drew Bledsoe, who is not a big movement guy, and he had his best season. I don’t know if Pete has ever had a guy that is a big-time runner, huge movement guy. I wouldn’t slam any of the guys he has had. But everybody likes a guy that can move, but a lot of these guys have compensating factors. So the guy that you’re thinking about would be one of those guys that has compensating factors.'”  

Here are some other selected quotes and notes from John Schneider’s press conference:  

Personally, I would like to move back because I have confidence in our ability in the middle rounds to do good stuff and we have a coaching staff that has good teachers and they are excited to have these guys.”  

Schneider admitted it would be easier to trade up in the draft than trade down.  

On the topic of defensive backs, he stated that height was the primary criteria unless a player is versatile enough to play well in different scenarios. I wonder if this brings Brandon Harris (CB, Miami) back into contention at the end of round one. He’s shorter than Seattle would like (5-9) but he’s a better open field tackler than most cornerbacks. Struggles against the tall, physical Malcolm Floyd were slightly over-blown on second viewing.  

He suggested a good draft ultimately means bringing in impact players who keep cohesion in the locker room. Schneider also admitted the hardest part of the evaluation process is to work out how much a player respects the game.  

Charlie Whitehurst will get an opportunity to compete for the starting position. This isn’t a revelation – he’s the only contracted quarterback on the roster at the moment. Schneider: “Did he have his struggles during the season? Sure. I mean he hasn’t played a lot of regular-season games. So, I thought one of the coolest things he did was come into that Arizona game and bring us right down the field. Now, the series didn’t end that great. He threw a ball he’d like to have back. But I’ve been around a three-time MVP that wasn’t a great decision maker early on in his career, but he became a much better decision maker.”  

To be a consistent Championship team, we have to get better.”  

We’d like to be younger. We didn’t have much depth last year. We want a young, tough, smart, fast, aggressive group.”  

On Tampa Bay Buccaneers GM Mark Domenik suggesting as many as six quarterbacks could go in round one: “Mark is a good friend of mine and if he was sitting right here, I would say, ‘He’s got a quarterback, so he wants a lot of guys to be taken. He wants the offensive linemen to fall.”  

The Seahawks would like to come away from the draft with at least one defensive and offensive lineman.  

Schneider said discipline would be key and not panicking to get a quarterback. He used the example of Green Bay drafting Aaron Rodgers at #24 in 2005 and the fact they wouldn’t trade up for him. Of course, it’s easier to say things like that when you’re starting quarterback is Brett Favre, who never missed games for the Packers.  

Final thoughts  

The Seahawks were nothing but transparent before the 2010 draft. It was common knowledge they’d gone bowling with Russell Okung after a trip to Texas (presumably to see Earl Thomas among other things). You’re never going to learn that much from these press conferences because teams are not going to gift wrap their plans to the rest of the world ten days before a draft. I suspect, however, that there’s not a great deal of spin here – there merely isn’t a great deal of hard information. Seattle probably would like to trade down for a good price if the options at #25 aren’t ideal. It probably is easier to be aggressive and approach another team about moving up than it is to be on the receiving end of an acceptable deal.  

I thought the response to Mike Sando’s question was interesting if only for the caution with which it was answered. Sando: “Schneider thought long and hard, choosing his words carefully when I asked him to what extent Carroll, as a defensive head coach, has a vision for what he wants in a quarterback. I wanted to know how that vision might differ from the visions an offensive-minded head coach might have for a quarterback.”  

This may be the most interesting portion of the press conference. Clearly the Seahawks have to make the quarterback position a priority. With or without Matt Hasselbeck, this regime’s success or failure will probably be defined by it’s ability to adequately fill the position for 2011 and beyond. They can talk about offensive lineman and defensive lineman – I would wager that the most heated discussions taking place in the front office right now are about the direction at quarterback. Is there a guy in this draft we should invest our faith in? Will we need to trade up? Who among the second tier prospects, if anyone, has that starter potential? What deals can we arrange once a new CBA is complete or a court injunction ends the lockout? These are surely the kind of questions being asked. 

That slightly tentative and guarded response to Sando’s question may hint that it’s a subject that still hasn’t been fully resolved. Maybe they have come to a decision and they just don’t want to give anything away? Of course, as with the other topics, neither would be a surprise. Yet the importance of the decision cannot be underestimated.  

New look for the blog  

You may have noticed the new home page for Seahawks Draft Blog. In future when you click www.seahawksdraftblog.com this is where you’ll arrive. It’s a way to push feature articles and a few other things. Of course it also means clicking ‘Blog’ on the new menu bar to arrive at the actual articles. If you want to avoid the homepage and visit the site as you did normally, it’s pretty simple. All you need to do is type www.seahawksdraftblog.com/blog into your address bar. I wouldn’t necessarily recommend that, because I would like as many people as possible to visit the homepage which will continue to develop with new features. Feedback is always appreciated.

Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas

Considering where those 4 teams are drafting, he's being either very optimistic or very pessimistic.

Posted by Kip Earlywine

As you might have guessed, Ryan Mallett was a man among boys as a kid and a heavily recruited quarterback coming out of high school.  This is why people were talking about Mallett a year and a half ago when he’d barely even played yet, and his on field performances had yet to be that impressive.  After a breakout 2010 campaign, you’d think that Mallett would be poised to be a top 10 pick, but rumors about being a “big man on campus” type as well as allegations of drug use have dogged Mallett through much of this offseason.  Many draft experts have written Mallett off, including Todd McShay who didn’t even include Mallett in his recent top 32 list.  You have to wonder though, how could teams overlook such a promising season by talking about Mallett so little?  Is it real, or is it a smokescreen?

In what is probably the most controversial quarterback class in recent memory, Mallett stands atop the heap in terms of dividing opinion.  Doug Farrar, who’s work I respect tremendously, has all but offered his soul to the devil in exchange for Seattle avoiding Mallett- comparing him to both Dan McGwire and Derek Anderson.  On the other side of the spectrum, our own Rob Staton has publicly pleaded that Seattle spend significant draft capital and trade UP to secure the Arkansas quarterback.

As always, I encourage our readership to form its own opinions and not simply take what we say as gospel.  We’re just ordinary fans exactly like you, and all we can offer is our own opinion.  If you are so inclined, you can scout Ryan Mallett for yourself by following this link, which provides full broadcasts of several SEC games.

I scouted Mallett for 4 games:  Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and UTEP.  All of those games were from 2010, but I don’t really feel like I need to see 2009 games to be honest.  Mallett has developed so much that it makes his first season borderline irrelevant.

Strengths:

  • Big, tall, tough, durable (only one notable injury, a concussion)
  • Ridiculously strong arm/upper body
  • Excellent short accuracy and completion rate, above average deep accuracy
  • Deep passes get downfield in a hurry, his deep throws have the same low trajectory that most QBs have on 15 yard passes
  • Student of the game/Coach on the field
  • Almost always checks multiple reads
  • Good, consistent release point with impressive arm speed
  • Decent pocket awareness
  • Comfortable in the pocket
  • Quick decision maker, doesn’t hold the ball or take coverage sacks very often
  • Makes decisions that are mostly good
  • Almost always finds a target- very few throwaways
  • Good performances against very highly ranked opponents
  • Excellent overall production in an elite conference
  • Good under pressure if he stays in the pocket, can sidestep and keeps his eyes downfield
  • Very competitive, for better or worse has a few “Favre moments” every game
  • Just isn’t hit very much, figures to stay healthy
  • Makes a good effort selling play action
  • Makes big plays with impressive regularity
  • Pro-style offense
  • Has probably the best chance of any quarterback to be good right away

Weaknesses:

  • Rumors of drug use and generally less than chivalrous behavior off the field
  • Might be too tall.  The history of 6’7″ quarterbacks is brutal
  • Very nonathletic due to his size
  • Long strider who not only conspicuously lacks speed and explosiveness, but it even fouls up his mechanics sometimes
  • Attempts some throws that Mike Holmgren would crucify him for
  • Big, awkward windup- very similar in appearance to that of Eli Manning.  Could lead to many sack-fumbles
  • Struggles outside the pocket, clueless about setting his feet when rolling left
  • Almost never ran bootlegs
  • A very awkward fit for Pete Carroll’s offense
  • Throws more picks going deep than you’d like
  • Benefited from good protection, an outstanding running game, and a solid defense
  • Some lateral accuracy issues on deep passes, too often he’ll throw behind a receiver when going deep

Conclusion:

In every game I watched, Ryan Mallett was clearly the best and most critical player on a very good football team, with only RB Knile Davis coming even close to making an argument.  There were moments in 2010 where the lowly Washington Huskies were able overcome a shaky start by Jake Locker to taste victory, but that didn’t happen in any of the games I saw when scouting Mallett.  Arkansas is a good enough team to win with its running game and defense, but they wouldn’t have competed with the likes of Alabama, LSU, and Auburn without Mallett.  Even when Mallett’s backup came in for the 2nd half against Auburn and performed well on paper, you could just sense “that’s the game” the moment Mallett left.  Mallett scares the bejesus out of teams with his deep threat, and can score in a hurry.  It only took him 3 plays to score against Georgia at the start and only 2 plays to score against #1 Alabama to open the game.  That’s the kind of offensive firepower Mallett brings to the table, and it hints at MVP level potential in the NFL.

Let me show you what I’m talking about.  The first game I put on was against LSU.  You can find the game from the link above if you’d like.  Mallett sealed that game on a long TD pass on 4th and 3 that would make Jeremy Bates proud (117 min mark).  As halftime neared and LSU held the ball, I skipped ahead to the 3rd quarter and suddenly Arkansas had 1 more touchdown than they had with seconds left in the 2nd quarter.  Puzzled, I backtracked to the final 3 seconds of the 2nd quarter and witnessed this:

LSU almost ran out the clock before halftime, but had to punt the ball back to Arkansas with a meager 3 seconds remaining.  How many college coaches even try a pass at their own 20 yard line with 3 seconds left before halftime?  How many quarterbacks would make such an attempt even worth trying?

Of course, it wouldn’t have been a touchdown if not for the two defensive backs colliding, but it also probably wouldn’t have been a touchdown if not for perfect placement allowing the ball to be caught in stride.  Mallett does occasionally throw behind his receivers when going deep, but more often than not, his ball placement was exceptionally good.

As far as the negatives go, I have three main concerns with Mallett:

The first is how his lack of mobility and effectiveness outside the pocket could impact his fit in Seattle.  If the team decides to invest in Mallett, then its pretty much time to find a new offense.  When rolling left, Mallett has to completely stop, twist his body back, and set his feet very awkwardly before passing.  The whole thing looks like a solitary version of Twister.  Unsurprisingly, the throws he makes when doing that are horrible and dangerous.  Seattle’s current offense requires a quarterback to be a threat to scramble for extra yards and first downs, and that is something Mallett can only do in rare circumstances, because he doesn’t get very far.  You don’t want to see Mallett taking off on 3rd and 8.  Also, when Mallett leaves the pocket he loses… well.. the pocket, meaning that he’s fair game for any free defender that wants to chase him down, and Mallett’s speed won’t buy you as much time outside the pocket as we’ve been accustomed to even from an aging quarterback like Hasselbeck.  For Mallett to succeed, he needs to stay in the pocket as much as possible.

On a side-tangent, Mallett has a clunky long stride to his movement that sometimes interferes with his mechanics.  As mentioned before, it really shows itself when rolling left, but it can happen any time he’s throwing on the move.  The game sealing interception against Alabama wasn’t a poor decision- Mallett was trying to throw the ball away.  But because he was on the move and off balance, he didn’t set his feet correctly, and the ball didn’t leave with as much force as he’d like, allowing the Alabama defender to snag the interception right at the sideline.

The second concern is Mallett’s inconsistent deep accuracy.  This one is forgivable, as you don’t really expect quarterbacks to nail every deep pass as the farther you throw a ball, the more difficult it is to be pin-point accurate.  Mallett was mostly accurate going deep, and he’s outstanding at judging distance, almost never overthrowing or coming up short.  But in terms of lateral judgment, sometimes he’s off, and this frequently resulted in picks from the games I saw.  Its not a fatal flaw or anything, it just shows that Mallett is human and a deep passing attack carries risk.  I think like Eli Manning and Jay Cutler, Mallett will run higher than average interception numbers as part of the trade off for good overall production.

The 3rd concern I have for Mallett is some occasional lapses in decision making.  He only throws the ball away rarely, which while commendable, also leads him to forcing 2-3 throws a game he really shouldn’t.  Some of which he pays for, and some he gets lucky.  Still, they are throws that veteran quarterbacks not named Brett Favre avoid and for good reason.  This problem is coachable, and hopefully Mallett can learn that sometimes taking a sack or throwing the ball away a couple extra times a game isn’t so bad.

I guess a 4th concern for Mallett would be the character issues, but I simply haven’t heard anything yet that is concrete enough to judge Mallett on.  No failed drug tests.  No criminal record.  No solid evidence of almost anything.  Do I personally think Mallett did drugs in the past?  Given the way he’s handled it, probably, but it does appear to be something in his past and I think he’s handled this offseason wisely in regards to addressing that issue.  For anybody who says “but he’s the face of the franchise!”, I simply stop and point to Michael Vick.

Regarding mobility, Mallett isn’t a statue in the pocket and can avoid pressure within reason.  He is vulnerable to the blitz however, as you might have expected due to his lack of speed.  Thankfully, Mallett has a good ability to make quick decisions under reasonably comfortable circumstances.  He diagnoses coverage very quickly and with Peyton Manning like efficiency tends to get the ball out in 3 seconds or less most of the time.   He doesn’t hold the ball long and even when pressured usually has a plan for where he wants the ball to go.

Mechanically speaking, it would be nice to see Mallett put more of his legs and body into his throws.  I’m pretty sure Mallett could throw 60 yards on his knees, but that doesn’t mean he should do it on every pass.

Finally, it should be noted that while Jake Locker played in a pro-style offense, Mallett ran a pro-style offense, and that’s a very significant distinction especially for a team that is hoping for a quarterback to contribute as soon as possible.

NFL comparison: Kurt Warner

While Mallett falls far short of Warner in the living like Ned Flanders department, both are quarterbacks with limited mobility, great on the field intelligence, great deep balls, and an ability to pass for over 300 yards with regularity.  Warner of course won multiple MVP awards, and Mallett has that same potential if he pans out.  Of course, Kurt Warner himself wasn’t exactly a first round pick, and it remains to be seen how NFL franchises will weigh Mallett’s strengths against his faults.

Ryan Mallett scouting report coming soon

Posted by Kip Earlywine

I just finished scouting my 3rd game (out of 4) for Mallett, and I’ve already got a ton of notes.  I’m hoping to have it done and posted by tonight.  As I found last year from my work scouting Russell Okung, watching tape for one player will often help you inadvertently learn a lot about other players as well.  In order to keep my Mallett scouting report on topic, I’d like to put my random comments on some other players I saw here, before I talk about Mallett himself.

  • I’m sure some of you won’t like reading this, but if Seattle shocked us all by drafting Mark Ingram at #25, I wouldn’t feel the slightest bit upset or really even that surprised.  Ingram’s acceleration is deceptive but excellent, and his vision/instincts are on par with Shaun Alexander’s, which is saying a lot.   And like Shaun, Ingram’s field speed is faster than it looks.  Everyone would say Shaun wasn’t a burner and then he’d torch a team for an 80 yard scamper.  Alexander and Ingram posted nearly identical 40 times coming out of college.   I like Lynch, but he’s regularly one of the worst RB in the league at yards before contact, and since Seattle’s line is in complete shambles right now outside of Okung and possibly Spencer should he return, there really isn’t a lot of reason to expect Lynch to not repeat his awful 2010 regular season performance, which was one of the worst in the league per DVOA.  Not because Lynch sucks, but because he’s a guy that needs good blocking to gain momentum and do what he does best, run over defenders.  Drafting one very very good running back with better elusiveness would be a faster route to fixing the run game than acquiring 3-4 new lineman, and as such, it makes a great value pick like Ingram surprisingly sensible.
  • I don’t know why, but Greg McElroy kind of reminds me of a less mobile Jeff Garcia.  Similar size/build, similar moxie.  Depending on who you ask though, that’s not really saying much.  Garcia had an up and down career and was generally under-valued even when he was very good.
  • I think I’d rather take Drake Nevis at #57 than Liuget at #25.  I’m not a particularly huge fan of either, but Nevis is pretty close to Liuget in my eyes and is a far better value late in the 2nd.
  • If Cam Newton learns how to properly use and set his feet in the pocket, he will fully justify being picked #1 overall.  Newton isn’t polished, but he’s only been in division football for just one year.  Its hard not to bank on Newton improving, and if he does, he will someday become one of the most feared players in the NFL.
  • Trevor Vittatoe probably won’t be drafted, but I think he’s worth a look as an undrafted free agent.  While he’s nowhere near the physical specimen of Locker or Kaepernick, he’s got the same mobility QB skillset, and unlike those guys, he actually is well trained at checking multiple reads.  His upside isn’t that great, but he has a high floor relative to his draft stock and  I think he could be a better backup than Charlie Whitehurst.  If Vittatoe adds another 10-15 lbs, he would compare very closely to David Garrard.
  • Arkansas has a heck of a running game, and that is thanks mostly to a great system implemented by Bobby Petrino.  It makes me wonder if RB Knile Davis is just a product of the system or not, because in every game I watched, he was sensational.

Johnny Patrick (CB, Louisville) game tape

I had one opportunity to watch Louisville in 2010, during their bowl game against Southern Miss. One player stood out for both teams, quarterback Austin Davis for the Golden Eagles and cornerback Johnny Patrick for the Cardinals. Let’s look at the tape, courtesy of Aaron Aloysius:

Patrick had five interceptions as a senior, one touchdown and a sack. He’s obviously not a great size/speed combo or the kind of player you are going to consider early on. He ran a 4.52 and a 4.46 at the combine and he’s listed at 5-11 and 188lbs, which isn’t anything special. However, it’s the ball skills that make him stand out. He’s always around the ball, appears to take good angles and the instincts are there. The five interceptions back that perception up and teams will always be interested in guys who can play the ball.

There are some concerns. It’s believed work rate hasn’t been considered a strong point until his senior year when the light appeared to switch on. Other reports suggest that mistakes get to his head and lead to further errors. Looking at the tape his sprinting speed and change of direction don’t always match and there is some stiffness in the hips.

When he’s at his best, he looks like a second round pick. Other aspects could make him a candidate for Seattle in rounds four or five.

Be pro-active Seattle… go get your quarterback

Face of a franchise?

 

Pete Carroll and John Schneider say they aren’t locked into a position this year like they were with the left tackles in 2010. That’s just common sense really, given that the Seahawks are picking 25th overall and not 6th. It’s easier to target a specific position or player when you know that only five will be off the board before your choice. Then again, would you admit to the world if you were planning a big splash? 

In his end of season press conference, Carroll contradicted himself slightly. Initially he said improving both lines was crucial during the off season and through the draft, yet at the end he also said re-signing Matt Hasselbeck was the priority. That hasn’t happened, obviously, so does quarterback automatically become the biggest need? Personally I’ve always felt it was by far the biggest need because Hasselbeck will be 36 this September – almost certainly making him the oldest starting quarterback in the league. The team can look at stopgaps and hope solutions appear once a CBA is finally agreed (or the injunction forces free agency) but it’s high time this team invested in a quarterback for the long haul. 

I have no idea what the Seahawks are planning for April 28th. I suspect if they are leaning towards one position – such as the quarterback – they could be aggressive in acquiring the guy they want. I don’t think any of the top four quarterbacks will make it past the middle of round one, so I’d at least look to see how far up the board I could get using the team’s second round pick (#57 overall). When all is said and done, one second round pick to try and secure the quarterback position long term is small change. Yes the team has major needs across the board, but you need to be aggressive sometimes – particularly with quarterbacks. 

It doesn’t always have to be a big move either. Tampa Bay moved up two spots in 2009 – from #19 to #17 – in order to guarantee they’d draft Josh Freeman. It only cost the Buccs a 6th round pick, which in hindsight was an absolute bargain. Teams will take a chance moving down, so it makes sense to see what is out there. Let me ask you this… if the Buccs had spent a second round pick instead to get further up the board and draft Freeman, would you say that was a bad move now? 

That’s not to say any of the 2011 quarterbacks will have the impact Freeman has had in Tampa Bay and obviously if you don’t believe in Jake Locker or Ryan Mallett (the two quarterbacks I believe the team could logically target via trade) it’s not a move you’re considering at all. If you do look at these guys and see franchise quarterback potential – I would argue you should do what it takes to get them. The Seahawks can’t fully rebuild until they have their long term quarterback on the roster. Build to their strengths, limit the weaknesses. This is the time to make the investment, don’t set out a scheme today with the new offensive coordinator which may need to be modified in 12 months time. 

How easy is it to trade up these days? Let me refer you to my recent article on the subject

We can also look at last year’s draft – the best starting point for considering big trades up the board. San Diego went from #28 all the way up to #12, trading with the Dolphins. The deal included Miami receiving a second round pick (#40). The two teams also swapped fourth round picks (to the benefit of San Diego) and the Chargers also received a sixth round selection. 

Obviously Seattle’s second round pick is 17-picks lower than the one San Diego traded to Miami, but then the Chargers also received compensation in later round stock for sacrificing the #40. 

The very next pick, Philadelphia traded #24 to Denver for the #13 selection. It cost the Eagles two third round picks (#70 and #87) worth approximately 415 points according to NFL Draft 101’s updated trade value chart. The chart says Philly over paid slightly, but Seattle’s #57 pick is worth around 350 points. It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that teams in the 10-16 range will be willing to move down to acquire another second round pick. 

I know a lot people do not rate Locker and Mallett as highly as me (I have Mallett ranked very highly on my big board). I’m not the only one who believes Ryan Mallett can have a Philip Rivers-style impact on the league and manage an offense similar to the one we see in San Diego. ESPN’s Adam Schefter tweeted this today

Phil Simms with Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan on QB Ryan Mallett: “If he’s not a top 10 player (in this draft), then I quit.”

NFL Films guru Greg Cosell also chipped in on the debate

Studied more Mallet. Best NFL skill set in draft. Physical pocket presence. Delivered in muddied pocket. Willing to make stick throws. Know nothing about off-field. On film, possesses more NFL traits than Gabbert or Newton, plus NFL pass concepts in college. Mallet pocket mobility a concern. But after 400 snaps saw a number of plays in which he moved, re-set and delivered accurately.

Like I said, I know people will disagree completely with the suggestion of moving up and the guys I’m touting as the motive. If I can trade up and take a shot on Ryan Mallett based purely on the tape, I’m doing it. We hear all about the character problems, yet nobody has ever gone into details and shown hard evidence. I’ve never met the guy, I can’t judge him. Maybe my opinion changes after several meetings, work outs and dinner’s? Watching the tape I’m seeing the physical tools, the pro-concepts, the ability to diagnose a defense, progress through his reads and be accurate enough to make the big arm effective. He’s not flawless, I know every argument that is critical of his game. Even so, if I can secure Mallett using the #25 and the #57 I’m doing it. 

For people wondering about scheme – I say adapt it. Mimic Norv Turner’s offense in San Diego. Task Tom Cable to create a clean pocket – why else do you make the big splash on an offensive line coach? Of course you need players too, so go get a Gallery or a Joseph to play guard, consider re-signing Chris Spencer and find the way to upgrade the right tackle position without needing to spend the top picks (it is possible, believe it or not). Kansas City turned their offensive line from a major negative into a great positive in a short space of time, it isn’t impossible if you have the right plan. 

Is this realistic? I have my doubts, not only because you’ll need to find a willing trade partner – but I also remain unconvinced Pete Carroll and John Schneider feel the way I do about Mallett. That’s just a hunch. 

When EA Sports were looking for a Seahawks star to put in the cover competition for Madden 12, they chose the fans. Such is the dearth of playmakers and star quality on the Seahawks roster. That can change very quickly with the right investment at quarterback – just ask Atlanta, Tampa Bay, St. Louis and Baltimore. Sure they all have better supporting casts than the Seahawks right now (borderline re: St.Louis) but they were all bad enough at one point to draft a quarterback early. Tampa Bay are the exception, but they were 3-13 before Freeman took over as the full-time starter. Atlanta and Baltimore had four and five wins respectively before drafting Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco in 2008. St. Louis were a one-win team. 

To win in this league, you need a quarterback. If the Seahawks see a franchise quarterback available in round one, they need to be pro-active. 

***Note*** 

I’d like to draw attention to some design changes for the blog which will be in place shortly after the draft. I’m going to incorporate a new ‘home page’ which will largely be used to highlight articles that have moved off the front page and are not time sensitive. It’s also a chance to incorporate an on-going poll and some YouTube tape. It’ll also mean modifications to the menu bar. Obviously this will mean needing to click a link to get to the actual blog, so I want your feedback on that. You can see a teaser for the new look by clicking here. 

I also want to test the water for perhaps running a live chat programme on the blog during the first two days of the draft. Is this something you’d be interested in?

Breaking down the 2011 Quarterback Class

Quite the contrast

Posted by Kip Earlywine

There have been so many rumors about Seattle and the quarterback position.  There’s been enough rumors on Palmer and Kolb alone to outpace the circus we put up with for Brandon Marshall last year.

I won’t lie, its a little hard to make sense of it all sometimes.  So when things seem the most confusing, its probably best just to revert to the basic facts.   Matthew Hasselbeck and John Schneider were miles apart in their final negotiation, so Hasselbeck has probably taken his last snap in a Seahawks uniform.  Charlie Whitehurst only played in emergency circumstances last year and did not earn a starting job for 2011.  He’s a free agent (and 30 years old) in 2012.  As such, Seattle needs a quarterback, and has by no means even attempted to hide this fact.  Every coach wants to “win now”, but this is especially true for Carroll.  This, coupled with Seattle’s low draft capital, makes the thought of pursuing Kevin Kolb or Carson Palmer a very logical notion.

And yet, even on the heels of some very encouraging rumors I’ve heard on the trade-for-a-veteran front, its hard to see Seattle not drafting a quarterback in 2011.  Even if Seattle acquired a trustworthy veteran like Carson Palmer, they’d still need another quarterback in another 4 years at the latest.  You could draft a “project” quarterback with high potential hoping he’d be ready in 2014 or 2015, similar to when Green Bay drafted Aaron Rodgers with Brett Favre still playing with gas left in the tank.  Teams usually carry 3 quarterbacks, and there isn’t a single guy currently on the roster who I’d say is “likely” to still be here this time next year.

The draft isn’t very far away, but I thought I’d take a long look at the potential options.  Unfortunately, there is less video available this year compared to last, at least not without finding a new IP and pirating from a torrent site; something I’d really prefer to avoid.  However, there is a nice supply of freely available video on the quarterback class, so I feel pretty confident in giving quality evaluations in at least that area.

Here is my draft board, as of today, for the 2011 quarterback class.  Locker is the only QB I’ve already scouted, so don’t take this list too seriously, if anything its just where I’m starting from in this evaluation process:

#1:  Blaine Gabbert: Gabbert is the only quarterback in the entire draft to get a passing grade for all of the following: accuracy, ability to read a defense, mobility, character, “makes all the throws” arm, and mechanics.  He’s not a Matt Ryan “perfect prospect”, but he’s got what it takes in the areas that correlate to NFL stardom the most.  My only real concern, other than the 1 year wonder label,  is his lack of success on deep throws- so he might be more ideal in a short passing offense.  Grade:  Top 10 pick.

#2:  Cam Newton: Newton is a one of a kind prospect.  The closest comparisons would be Vick/Young, but Newton is bigger/less agile than Vick and figures to be a better passer than Young.  I’ve even read one comparison that called Newton (paraphrasing) “Big Ben with wheels.”  Newton has an obvious “diva” personality, but he wouldn’t be the first diva quarterback to experience NFL stardom.  Newton has some relatively small mechanical issues to work out and he needs to learn a pro style offense.  Boom or bust prospect with literally unheard of upside.  Grade:  Top 10 pick.

#3:  Ryan Mallett: I try to be upfront about my biases, and evaluating Mallett has really challenged my greatest bias with quarterbacks: mobility.  I love mobile quarterbacks, probably more than I should.  Its often forgotten that Mallett was only in his 2nd season of football with Petrino at Arkansas, and yet playing in the toughest division in college football, amassed some very good numbers and had some terrific performances.  Its not like his 5.37 speed prevented him from doing it either.  Mallett’s often talked about arm (which is one of the best arms of the last several years) is actually less important that his intelligence and accuracy on the field.  Mallett has the makings of a big time pocket passer and its hard for me to put him behind Newton.  Grade:  Top 15 pick.

#4:  Jake Locker: I’ve seen all but 2 of Jake Locker’s games since he signed with the University of Washington, so he’s the one guy I could write a book on right now.  I think the 2nd round grade he’s often given is fair, and I think both his potential and risk are over-stated.  To me he’s not a boom or bust prospect, but more of a safe bet with a modest ceiling.  His accuracy is far better than his completion rate shows (thanks to a ton of drops, mediocre pass pro and college football’s toughest schedule), and there is potential for improvement with his pass location if he continues to improve his footwork in the pocket.  The reason I see Locker as being closer to the “good version” of Jake Plummer rather than John Elway is because of the simple fact that Jake Locker is a “mechanical” quarterback who follows orders and executes plays but isn’t fluid or instinctive like the greats of the league always are.  In a very controlled atmosphere, like what Mike Shanahan runs, Locker could be a good quarterback with flashes of greatness, but probably not a great quarterback overall.  Still, a quality, dependable quarterback is a good value in the early 2nd round, and worth the price at #25.   Grade:  Late 1st/early 2nd.

#5:  Colin Kaepernick: An excellent athlete with potential that probably exceeds Locker’s despite being less gifted physically.    Kaepernick’s pocket presence is special and I can’t help but be reminded of Josh Freeman watching Kaepernick dodge bullets in there and buy extra time to make plays.  Kaepernick didn’t face great competition and didn’t play in a pro-style system.  He has mechanical issues that must be improved or fixed.  He has an elongated and funky throwing motion which is somewhat made up for by some very impressive arm speed (he was a star pitcher in high school).  However, on shorter passes Kaepernick slows his arm down a lot to add touch, and this results in a fatally slow overall release time.  So improvement is not optional here- he has to either learn how to throw short passes faster without losing accuracy or learn proper mechanics- and either one will take time.  Still, I really like Kaepernick as a long term “project” and he’d make a lot of sense backing up a veteran like Carson Palmer or whoever.  I’d gladly take him at #57 should he last that long.  Grade:  2nd round.

#6:  Christian Ponder: There is quite a lot to say about this young man, so it will be hard to condense it into a single paragraph.  First, the positive stuff.  Ponder had a good season statistically in 2009, and this time last year was thought to be a future 1st round prospect.  Ponder has a warm, funny, charming and friendly persona much like Matt Hasselbeck- so he’s the perfect type of guy to be a face of the franchise in that respect.  Ponder has decent accuracy, at least on paper.  But there are some very big reasons I’m not a fan of Ponder despite these positives.  First and foremost is Ponder’s tendency to lock onto receivers and telegraph plays- something we saw a lot of with Charlie Whitehurst last year and we know how that’s going for him.  I’m struggling to think of a single prolific quarterback who overcame this tendency.  From this alone, I’d scratch Ponder off my board until the later rounds.  But Ponder also has arm issues.  He’s had several arm injuries/surgeries in recent months and he was floating deep balls even before that.  This isn’t a perfect analogy, but Ponder is a lot like old Matt Hasselbeck if old Matt Hasselbeck locked onto receivers like Charlie Whitehurst does.  In a pure west coast system where deep throws are rarely made, Ponder could make sense in the mid rounds for a coach who believes that with time he can beat the concept of multiple reads into Ponder’s thick skull.  Ponder has recieved a lot of hype lately and according to some he has a shot to be a 1st rounder despite his actual talent.  Grade:  5th rounder.

#7:  Andy Dalton: On tape, Dalton looks like this year’s Graham Harrell- a great college quarterback who is just that and nothing more.  Still, I like taking chances on guys like these ultra late in the draft, as rarely they become Tony Romos and Matt Hasselbecks.  I still need to take a deeper look into this guy, but I think anyone who says Dalton is a first two rounds player is overlooking too much.  Grade:  6th rounder.

#8:  Ricky Stanzi: Stanzi is a hero in the eyes of the 26/27/60 rule, as were many hopelessly under-talented quarterbacks in previous years.  I’d be worried if my GM drafted quarterbacks based on things like games started and wonderlic scores.  That said, I think Stanzi is a very good investment in the late rounds if Seattle wants to go the late round route at quarterback while trading for a veteran starter later.  Stanzi is strikingly similar to Matt Hasselbeck circa 1997, but with a better arm.  Both have great intangibles and leadership, and a camera friendly persona (as well as similar political leanings).  Both are 6’4″.  Stanzi is 223 lbs; Hasselbeck 225.  Both had solid mobility despite NFL average speed.  Even the way Stanzi throws the football looks pretty similar.  And most similar of all (and this is why both will be late rounders), Stanzi like Hasselbeck has way too many brainfarts on the field.  Inconsistency and bouts of poor decision making is a big problem for Stanzi.  This is no knock on Hasselbeck, but would he have been a pro-bowl quarterback without Mike Holmgren’s guidance?  I really doubt it.  Similarly, I think it would probably take a quarterback guru on par with Holmgren to get similar results with Stanzi.  Grade:  6th rounder.

#9:  Mitch Mustain: Mustain was one of the most highly pursued quarterbacks in the country coming out of high school.  He initially played for Arkansas when Houston Nutt coached there, and after a flawed yet promising start in which Mustain put up mediocre stats but won all 8 games he played in, he transferred to USC to play for Pete Carroll.  Mustain wasn’t able to beat out top 5 pick Mark Sanchez nor likely future top 5 pick Matt Barkley for a job, but that shouldn’t be held against him.  Until very recently, USC was college football’s most talent rich team every year, placing capable NFL talents on the bench, as Matt Cassel can attest.  This isn’t to say that Mustain will be a repeat of Matt Cassel, but its not like the things that once made Mustain a top prospect have changed.  The biggest knock on Mustain is the unknown, but its a late round pick with relatively outstanding upside- and the head coach of the Seahawks would know better than anyone else if he’s a gamble worth taking.

Over the next several days, I’ll release full scouting reports for Ryan Mallett and Jake Locker, followed by less thorough player previews for Kaepernick, Ponder, Dalton, and Stanzi.  I’m going to avoid writing about Newton and Gabbert for now, because I think the odds of Seattle drafting either is exceedingly low, but if it happens, I’ll do a report as soon as I’m done partying like its 1999.  For the rest, be sure to stay tuned!

The big board

Notre Dame's Kyle Rudolph makes the cut

I’m not a big fan of big boards. How do you distinguish between prospects of a similar level? What puts a guy at #3 instead of #4? It’s a way for the likes of Mel Kiper to tally who’s stock is rising or falling, but the changes are sometimes so intricate it’s hardly worth the bother.

I like the way Gil Brandt does things. He separates the prospects into tier’s, grouping guys together of a similar quality.

A few people have asked about a big board on the blog and it’s something I’ve avoided previously. With less than a fortnight to go until the 2011 draft, I thought I’d put something together using the Brandt methodology. It’s a top-25 broken into seperate tiers that are explained along the way.

Tier one: Prospects in contention to go first overall

This is only a small list, but if you own the #1 overall pick you don’t need a cluster of names. These three are the prospects I’d consider drafting with the top choice and if I’m in the top five, I’m hoping to grab one of these guys. The quarterback will always take preference if you have a need at the position, although you don’t just include the top prospect for the sake of it. If you have a franchise quarterback or made that investment recently, you probably aren’t going in that direction here.

Cam Newton (QB, Auburn)
Newton has limitless potential and is a better passer than he gets credit for. He’s a player you can build a franchise around for the long term, but I also believe he can have an instant impact working in a scaled down playbook. If I was forming a listed big board like Mel Kiper, Newton would be #1.

AJ Green (WR, Georgia)
A really polished route runner who flashes a competitive streak despite not having the biggest frame. He’s quick rather than elite in terms of speed, but he has so much control and should produce quickly in his career. Capable of spectacular plays and can become a quarterback’s best friend.

Da’Quan Bowers (DE, Clemson)
Bowers is a beast and despite all the recent talk of injuries – if he passes the medical checks I’m still taking him very early. You watch him during that 16-sack season and see major potential to be a dominant force at the next level. I’d be looking for 8-10 sacks as a rookie, which is a realistic target.

Tier two: Prospects you’d consider in the top-ten

The next group are players you’d be happy to take in the first ten picks and would provide excellent value in that 11-20 range if they fall.

Ryan Mallett (QB, Arkansas)
If I don’t have a quarterback and I’m picking in the top ten, I’m looking at Mallett strongly. He has the physical tools, he understands pro-concepts, he’s a surgeon progressing through reads and he has the necessary experience controlling an offense and changing plays at the line of scrimmage. There’s been too much negativity surrounding this guy.

Patrick Peterson (CB, LSU)
Peterson has all the tools to become an all-rounder – he’s a good coverage guy, physical against the run and he provides a threat as a kick returner. He’s capable of taking on a top-receiver one-on-one and competing, we saw that in two games against Julio Jones.

Jimmy Smith (CB, Colorado)
Perhaps a player with even more potential than Peterson. When you watch Smith on tape, he has everything you look for in a cornerback. Many would argue differently, but I think there’s every chance he’ll have a better career than Peterson.

Marcell Dareus (DT, Alabama)
Scheme flexible and is more than capable of playing as a disruptive force up the middle or setting the edge against the run. He won’t be a big stat-guy at the next level, but whoever takes him will notice his value.

Nick Fairley (DT, Auburn)
Unmatched quickness off the snap and has a cluster of moves to compliment that burst. He will consistently get into the backfield warranting extra attention, which will create opportunities for your edge rushers. Has a nasty streak which will lead to penalties, but manage it and you can turn it into a positive.

Cameron Jordan (DE, California)
He’s quick for his size and teams in a 4-3 should still consider him. Fluid technician who finds ways to get into the backfield. Jordan’s best years will come in the pro’s and with a star personality to match his talent, there’s no reason why teams shouldn’t consider him very early.

Julio Jones (WR, Alabama)
Bounced back from an inconsistent 2009 to show real progress in Alabama’s run heavy offense. Understands routes and how to get open, elite size and speed combination. Jones can make Hollywood plays but also offer a safety net for a young quarterback. He’s dedicated and comes from a great programme that emphasises blocking.

Tier three: Prospects who could go in the top 10-15 based on need but are graded between 10-25

If your big need is quarterback or left tackle and you’re picking in the top ten, you might consider a guy in tier three. I hate using the word ‘reach’ because some positions are too important to ignore. If I’m holding a pick in the 11-25 range these are the guys I look at first, including anyone else who may have fallen out of my top two tiers.

Blaine Gabbert (QB, Missouri)
Has everything you look for in a top quarterback – mobility, good arm, character and he’s accurate. Even so, he’s been inconsistent and there is a certain degree of ‘unknown’ about Gabbert. The system he comes from in Missouri makes it difficult to make a full judgement either way. I’d take him in the top ten, but I put him behind Newton and Mallett and into tier three.

Mark Ingram (RB, Alabama)
Loves the game and plays every snap like it might be his last. Ingram has major star quality minus the elite breakaway speed, but he’ll be a work horse with major production if he’s drafted by a team that can run the ball. Intelligent, driven, understands blocking and has the vision to turn a small hole into a big gain.

Corey Liuget (DT, Illinois)
Ideal size for the three technique position and has a great first step off the snap. Consistently disruptive on tape and he’ll get into the backfield and force mistakes. He hasn’t got the production of Fairley or the scheme adaptability of Dareus, but he comes a close third in a strong group of defensive tackles.

Tyron Smith (OT, USC)
It became apparent towards the end of the college season that Smith would be the best offensive tackle in a class lacking that elite player at the position. This choice is based completely on upside – he has the frame, the lateral mobility and the strength to be one of the best in the NFL. You’re taking a chance, but it’s a calculated gamble.

JJ Watt (DE, Wisconsin)
He hasn’t got the elite speed and he’s more perspiration than style, but JJ Watt finds a way to make plays. Every week he’ll play hard and he’ll over achieve. In 2010 he had seven sacks, an interception and he blocked three kicks. He’s strictly a 3-4 defensive end, but in that scheme he’ll do what it takes to have an impact.

Robert Quinn (DE, North Carolina)
There are things that concern me about Quinn – the tumor and the lack of football for two years ahead of his rookie season. I think he’s best suited to an orthodox 4-3 or the LEO position in Seattle. The tape shows real edge quality and no lack of effort, but he hasn’t got a great repertoire. If he plays college ball in 2010 and gets 10+ sacks he’d be a candidate to go second overall, instead he drops into tier three.

Aldon Smith (DE, Missouri)
Another player who could be higher but has some issues. Did he return from injury too quickly in 2010? He didn’t look the same dominant player from 2009 with top-ten potential. Smith was anonymous in the bowl defeat to Iowa. Otherwise he’s got perfect size for a 4-3 end, great technique and a better range than Robert Quinn.

Jabaal Sheard (DE, Pittsburgh)
Under rated player with the potential to be better than Quinn and Smith. Sheard plays hard every snap and he’s great against the run. He’s not the biggest statistically, but he looks big on tape. Speed is right up there off the edge and he was one of the quicker ends at the combine. Love the guy, his best years are to come and he fits both schemes.

Mike Pouncey (OG/C, Florida)
Just a solid player who starts in week one and gets on with his job. Had problems snapping early in the 2010 season but made corrections. I still prefer him at guard but teams who need a center should have no issues making this pick. The ultimate safe, unspectacular choice and good teams like New York and San Diego should consider this, with Tampa Bay, Kansas City and Philadelphia close behind.

Von Miller (OLB, Texas A&M)
I have Miller as a pure 4-3 outside linebacker. He can rush the passer from that position and still generate sacks – he could have a Julian Peterson type impact on the league. But the fact he’s a linebacker and can’t play up at the line lowers his stock for me. He’ll get washed out against the run up front and speed is really his only true asset. It’s also a big asset to have, of course.

Tier four: Prospects I’d grade as top-25 picks

Obviously players in this group will be off the board due to need (I fully expect Jake Locker to be drafted by Washington). However, these are the last five players I’d grade as part of my top-25.

Jake Locker (QB, Washington)
If I needed a quarterback and the top three are gone, in this range I take a chance on Locker’s upside. He can become a great player in the NFL, something that’s often forgotten. There will be growing pains.

Phil Taylor (DT, Baylor)
Looks sensational given his size and moves freely for a big tackle. The weight instantly makes people think he’ll play the nose, but I could see him at the five technique and maybe even playing some three technique.

Stephen Paea (DT, Orego State)
Slightly undersized for a 4-3 nose tackle, but offers so much value against the run. Added some pass rush production as a senior but his value in the NFL will come as a run stopper. If I’m Indianapolis, I ignore the need at offensive tackle to take this guy at #22.

Kyle Rudolph (TE, Notre Dame)
Injuries have hampered his stock but there’s no doubt to me a clean bill of health secures a first round grade. He’s a playmaker who adds dimensions to an offense, opening up the playbook.

Prince Amukamara (CB, Nebraska)
You’re getting an athletic player with potential to become a solid if unspectacular starter. He will make mistakes and he’s not going to be a great playmaker, but he’s a solid pick.

Just missed out:

Rodney Hudson (OG, Florida State), Adrian Clayborn (DE, Iowa), Derek Sherrod (OT, Miss. State), Brooks Reed (DE, Arizona), Akeem Ayers (OLB, UCLA).

Players I rate higher than most:

Jordan Todman (RB, Connecticut), James Carpenter (OT, Alabama), Jeremy Beal (DE, Oklahoma), Brandon Burton (CB, Utah), Pernell McPhee (DE, Miss. State), Ricky Stanzi (QB, Iowa)

Andy Dalton is not a first round pick

Andy Dalton a first round pick? Not for me.

Twelve months ago, Colt McCoy was a late first round pick. He was a winner in college, setting records galore for Texas. Forget the faults because this guy could win.

I was never a fan and thought he deserved a late round grade, but would probably settle in the fourth round due to the reputation and ability to ‘win’. During the season only Mel Kiper stuck by a high grade, consistently keeping him at #25 on his big board despite a largely negative view every else. He wasn’t really on the radar as a high draft pick because the flaws were pretty obvious.

He had a slow start to the off season having spent a large portion of it recovering from an injury picked up in the BCS Championship defeat to Alabama. Yet once McCoy recovered and participated in his pro-day, the hype machine kicked into gear. Suddenly he was being talked about as a late first round pick. Really? What about the tape? We’d all seen it and nobody really considered McCoy a first round talent previously. Physically not great, not accurate enough to compensate, too many mistakes. What gives?

Peter King was one of McCoy’s fans, touting him as a late first rounder. When asked in his MMQB article one week about the possibility of Tim Tebow going in the first round, King replied:

“I probably would pick McCoy if I had the choice. I think he’s getting vastly underrated entering the last round of evaluations of the quarterbacks.”

Todd McShay was at McCoy’s pro-day and filed this report for ESPN (see video below). Notice the term ‘West Coast Offense’.

Mary Kay-Cabot from the Cleveland Plain Dealer had this piece on McCoy before the draft:

“Most experts have McCoy ranked behind Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford and Notre Dame’s Jimmy Clausen, and projected to go in the second round. But if the Browns hope to land him — and there are strong indications they’d like to — they might have to either trade back from No. 7 or up from No. 38 to secure him late in the first round.”

22% of fans voting in this Minnesota Vikings poll wanted the team to draft McCoy at #30 overall, second only to Devin McCourty (29%) (well, they actually call him Derrick – I’m not sure how good Derrick McCourty is).

Draft Nasty mocked McCoy to #30 as well, stating:

“With the uncertain future of current quarterback Brett Favre, the Vikings may look to take the most accurate quarterback in the 2010 NFL Draft class.”

Draft day arrived and by that point more and more people were projecting McCoy as a possible first round pick or at worst, an early second rounder. Mike Mayock from the NFL Network believed he would be an early second round pick. For two rounds McCoy waited. He saw Sam Bradford go first overall, but as this video shows– the patience was perhaps starting to thin out when Tim Tebow was the second quarterback off the board. The words used when Jimmy Clausen was the first quarterback taken on day two? “It’s crazy… nothing’s ever been easy.”

He lasted until the end of round three and was taken by the Cleveland Browns. Remember them? One of the teams supposedly who might be trading up into the bottom of round one.

When all was said and done McCoy went in the range the initial evaluations suggested – right in the middle of draft, perhaps a couple of rounds earlier than he probably should’ve done. He was a project without the great physical talent. Cleveland were starting a new era with a west coast offense, managed by Mike Holmgren as team president.

Fast forward a year and tell me the difference between the McCoy hype and all this ‘Andy Dalton in round one’ talk?

It started when John Clayton touted the possibility of Seattle taking one of the second tier quarterbacks in round one, including Dalton. It was a surprise but not so much in the context Clayton was debating. His view was that a reach may be necessary to fill the most important position and clearly taking Dalton there was a reach. My surprise was based around the thought that Dalton wouldn’t be there at #57. After all, this was a guy generously being talked about as a possible third or fourth round pick – perhaps later still.

Then came Trent Dilfer’s contribution.

“One of the reasons why he hasn’t generated as much momentum and hype is because what personnel and coaches do at this time of the year when they’ve kind of settle on who they want, they’re going to shut up about that guy. You’ll hear a lot of good stuff about (Arkansas’ Ryan) Mallett in the next couple weeks because they want to use him as a smoke screen. You’re going to hear a lot of good stuff about (Florida State’s Christian) Ponder because they want to use him as a smoke screen.

“At the end of the day, the good quarterback people in this league — I will not be wrong here — are going to be wanting Andy Dalton late in the first round or early second round if he happens to fall that far. I’ll be shocked if I’m wrong here. Andy Dalton will be taken in the first round.”

The hype season was upon us. It’s probably worth adding that Dilfer has back tracked on those comments just today, suggesting now that Dalton will probably go in round two.

Nevertheless, other people have projected Dalton to Seattle at #25. Don Banks in his last two mock drafts has gone in that direction.

We’re starting to hear the same things said about Dalton that we heard about McCoy. He’s a west coast guy, he’s a winner, he’s got ‘moxy’, the stats are good. Etc etc.

History is repeating itself.

For whatever reason, we get to this time of year and quarterbacks like Dalton get a sensational press. They’re considered the safe alternative to the big name quarterback – yet how many of these guys ever go on to be full time starters? It’s not impossible, but it’s very difficult. You can have all the wins in college, nice stats coming out of a spread offense and you can be a great guy. When all is said and done, you need physical talent and you need to be accurate.

Let’s hit the tape, courtesy as always of the impeccable Aaron Alosysius:

The tape shows every snap involving Dalton in a blow out win over San Diego State. The third and fourth passes in the video against are Christian Ponder-esque and will lead to picks at the next level. There are a lot of similar play calls, option to the running back and a short screen or slant to the left designed for yards after the catch.

What Dalton does well, as emphasised here, is a strike to the outside on a medium level route. He does generate some velocity on those passes and is generally accurate. The first two touchdown passes are well executed, a fade in single coverage and a quick throw to the right which the receiver takes advantage of. At the same time, neither is a particularly difficult pass to make. I actually prefer the third and fourth touchdown passes, when he zips a slant to the outside in tight coverage perfectly and completes a tougher fade to the outside.

However, there are a lot of throws that seem to miss high or wide that aren’t that difficult. On one play he throws about 10-yards out of the end zone on a roll out. The guy isn’t a lost cause by any means in terms of accuracy, but it’s not consistent enough. Let’s also remember the level of competition he’s facing.

One thing that’s not evidenced here and is something I’ve picked up on watching several other TCU games in 2009 and 2010 is Dalton’s inability to remain focused after an error. There have been times when he’s made a poor decision or turned the ball over and let it get to him. This was a bigger issue in 2009 and it hit his confidence during a game. He improved the following year, but it’s something I’d feel I had to monitor at the next level because he can be fragile at times.

So here’s how I judge Andy Dalton – he needs to try and become Matt Hasselbeck. That is the peak for him. Get into a strict and defined offense that is based on timing and short/intermediate routes. Master the offense over 2-3 years on the sidelines and hope for time and patience as a starter when you finally get that shot. Then you have to execute.

Hasselbeck was fortunate enough to spend all of his early career with the same coach and the same system and he had that drive and determination to master the scheme. It’s maybe one of Hasselbeck’s most under rated qualities that he’s a pure football guy with a very good grasp of the game. He worked hard to become a NFL starter as a 6th round pick, but he also understood and followed the information well enough to go with the ideal coaching.

When his career didn’t start brilliantly in Seattle, he had further opportunities. When the Holmgren offense was at it’s best in Seattle, Hasselbeck was at his best too. It was only a short window, but for a period he was among the top QB’s in the league.

Dalton needs all of the same fight, all of the same consistency in coaching and the time. Even then he’s going to struggle like crazy, because there aren’t many Matt Hasselbeck’s who make it in the league. So are you taking this guy in round one? Of course not. He’s not a physically gifted athlete with mind blowing potential. He’ll need an abundance of time and coaching. He’s not a faultless decision maker with great accuracy to make up for the lack of pure physical talent.

He’s the very definition of a mid/late round flier. Round one? Not for me.

The Seahawks are not going to invest their future in a guy like Dalton in round one. Could they see him as an option after that? Perhaps, but I suspect they want someone who can be a much greater x-factor presence on a much quicker time frame. Whatever your views on Ryan Mallett and Jake Locker, they are light years ahead of Dalton in terms of physical ability and having seen all three on the board, I believe they are also above Dalton in terms of understanding a pro-system.

I don’t want to labor this point too much, but look at Dalton in his discussion with John Gruden (see video below). He gives his favorite play as a basic ‘all-go’ route with essentially a deep read and a checkdown. It is such a simple play. As Gruden points out when the roll the tape, he doesn’t notice the easy checkdown that would’ve provided a solid 25-35 yards. Instead he forces a throw deep and should be intercepted. To quote Gruden, “Ed Reed is dunking that ball over the goal post.”

Ryan Mallett makes that check down. I’d urge people to watch his piece with Gruden and compare the white board breakdown to grasp the differences between the two in terms of that pro-understanding. Gruden hates rookie quarterbacks – it aided his departure from Tampa Bay – but look at his face light up when Mallett runs through a play and practises a hard count.

There’s the difference between what you would tentatively call a pro-ready quarterback and a guy who needs to spend a lot of time with a quarterbacks coach. A first round quarterback needs to be ready to start these days. If they aren’t, then they at least need to have a high ceiling with limitless potential. Dalton is neither.

Essentially I think he’ll end up in that round 3/4 range, as did McCoy. Maybe the lack of free agency does tempt a team to take him in round two? I just think if there is going to be a quarterback reach from the second tier, it’ll be on a guy like Colin Kaepernick who at least has the physical tools to match the production and ‘winning‘. If I’m wrong and Dalton does find a home in the late first round or the early second, I’ll have no issues coming onto the blog and admitting I was flat out wrong. We’ll find out in a couple of weeks when the 2011 draft kicks off. Until then I’m standing by the stance I’ve always had – Dalton at #25 is not going to happen.

Updated two-round mock draft: 13th April

Just over two weeks ago and time for this week’s mock draft. Only two more projections after this – one next week and then a final mock on April 27th.

To see this week’s two-round mock draft click here. There’s more on the update at the end of this post.

Mocks are all about predictions and projections, most of which we base on hunches and whatever information we can gather. I’ll never try and claim my mock is any better than the next man’s because in reality I’ll probably be right on a couple of things and miss on the rest. Nobody is different in that sense.

There are some things I’m pretty confident about though and I wanted to note them here. Four projections I feel comfortable putting in writing that I can nail my colors to. I’ll note them here and after round one I’ll dig this up and we’ll see how many came true.

Prediction #1

Four quarterbacks will be off the board by the half-way point in round one (#16 overall, currently owned by Jacksonville).

Cam Newton will be the first overall pick. Blaine Gabbert could go anywhere from #2 and Denver to #4 and Cincinnati, but I suspect he’ll be a Bengal unless someone moves up. Jake Locker will be drafted by the Washington Redskins unless someone moves above them. One of the Tennessee/Minnesota/Miami/Jacksonville quartet will draft Ryan Mallett.

The greatest opposition I’ve seen to this suggestion is that it’d go against the grain for four quarterbacks to be taken this early. Unlike most I actually think that is a very solid group of first round quarterbacks who can all have success in the league. With many teams needing a young franchise signal caller, I don’t have any issues projecting four will go in the top-16. I don’t expect Christian Ponder, Andy Dalton or Colin Kaepernick to go in round one.

Prediction #2

Tennessee will be a wildcard.

I think the Titans will make a move that surprises people. Most mock drafts I read have them taking Nick Fairley but I can’t see it. Their two biggest needs are quarterback and cornerback. Can they trade down into the mid teens and look to draft Ryan Mallett? It’s a possibility and I wouldn’t rule out Mallett or Locker at #8 anyway. Would they move up to take Blaine Gabbert? Something else I wouldn’t say is unlikely.

If they stay put I think Julio Jones is a great option considering Kenny Britt’s recent arrest. Let’s not forget that even when Britt was performing last year, the Titans claimed Randy Moss from waivers. Tennessee hasn’t been afraid to draft players with character problems in the past and considering their need in the secondary it really wouldn’t surprise me if Jimmy Smith was the pick at #8. He has top-1o talent and elite potential.

Prediction #3

The Seahawks will trade out of the #25 pick one way or another.

I think a move up the board is still possible and I think they’d be willing to consider using the #57 pick or future draft stock. If you believe the rumors, Seattle was willing to pay a lot to get Carson Palmer including multiple picks in rounds one and two. If there was interest in Kevin Kolb, any deal would probably include more than just the #25 pick. If the Seahawks are serious about addressing the need at quarterback I think there is a possibility they trade up and make a bold move.

Michael Lombardi made some interesting comments on Seattle and Ryan Mallett in a conference call today, referenced here by Eric Williams of the TNT:

“I think they really do like Mallett. They’ve done a lot of work on him. I think Miami’s done a lot of work on him. I think there’s a feeling within the league that Seattle is hoping he makes it down to their pick at No. 25, so that they can get him. I think he does fit what they want to do offensively. He can run a pro-style offense, and they don’t feel the problems off the field are as bad as some people might suspect. So I do feel like that’s one area where they would feel like they’ve solved that problem if they turn that card in.

“It’s interesting, they’re 7-9 and they’re picking 25th. So they’re down there in the draft and they’ve always been very aggressive. So I think if they wanted to go get a guy, they would go get him and move up. But I think until the get the quarterback problem fixed it’s going to be very difficult. They tried to sign Matt Hasselbeck before we locked out. He turned down their last offer, so I think their expectation is they’re not probably going to get him back, so they better address the quarterback.”

Equally I wouldn’t be surprised if they moved down because there’s really very little between the #25 pick and the #35. Unless someone falls down the board I can see why they’d entertain a move south, but the price needs to be right because the Seahawks need quality not just quantity.

Prediction #4

If any of the big names fall it’ll be Von Miller, Nick Fairley or Prince Amukamara.

With Fairley it’s the character concerns. Only today we learn via Adam Schefter that he was late for the combine and some meetings. He rejected the chance to work out in Miami. These are not good signs and while he could easily remain a top-1o pick I don’t think he’s helped himself much if these reports are true. I’ve had him as low as #18 to San Diego at the end of March – something that seems to be appearing with greater regularity these days.

Nobody batted an eye lid when 17-sack Von Miller didn’t declare for the 2010 draft, in fact the scouting reports were critical overall. He was given a third round grade by the draft committee. Twelve months later and the same player is suddenly a top five pick. His meteoric rise is similar to that of Aaron Curry – although Miller’s pass rushing skills at least justifies the hype more than Curry’s ascent. I think there’s a chance Curry fell down the board had he not been taken by the Seahawks and the same may happen with Miller if he gets past Buffalo and Arizona.

I simply don’t rate Amukamara as highly as some other people. If there is a run on quarterbacks early, if Jimmy Smith is the consensus #2 to Patrick Peterson (I think he could be the #1 corner on some boards) and if a lot of defensive lineman go early, Amukamara could fall.

Mock draft thoughts

– I’m not comfortable with the Seahawks pick and I’m starting to wonder if that’s one of the reasons so many people are talking up Andy Dalton, Christian Ponder etc at #25. It’s hard to project anything but defensive lineman in the scenario I have playing out, but are the Seahawks really just going to essentially replace Brandon Mebane and rely on free agency (whenever that happens) to fill other needs? Is that not a sideways step? It’s not a convincing argument and is another reason why I think they could move up the board.

– Andy Dalton is not going to be a first round pick. I highly doubt he’ll be a second round pick. Watch the tape and tell me why he justifies the hype. This is a guy who’s greatest talent is ‘winning’. When that’s the big positive (alongside ‘moxy’) you know you’re in trouble. TCU should win games too – they have a great defense and generally play weaker opposition. My biggest concern with Dalton isn’t average physical qualities, a one read offense or limited wow-factor – it’s the way he dwells too much on mistakes and let’s them develop during a game. I’ve always considered him a R5-6 type guy, the same grade I gave to Colt McCoy last year. I’d guess Dalton will go in the same range as the Texas QB (late third, early fourth) and he should be taken after Ricky Stanzi.

– Leonard Hankerson (WR, Miami) is again the pick in round two. It caused a few mixed feelings last week. I think the value at the bottom of round two comes at receiver. Orlando Franklin and Marcus Cannon are alternatives, but I still rank Hankerson, Titus Young and Edmund Gates higher. The lack of obvious options at the end of round two may encourage the Seahawks to move up in the first round if there’s one guy they have to have.

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