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As I suspected the Bucs are not willing to trade OJ Howard. The Patriots tried to get him but the Bucs said “Not for trade”.
Source?
Albert Breer
Miller says Howard is the hottest trade rumor! There’s no way Hawks would go after him if he can’t block and we can’t afford him if our OL is suspect. I have to admit Raven’s have me “freaked out” when it comes to our OL. I’m emotionally messed up right now due to our OL and K.
That was my thought after reading Breer’s comments — maybe NEP just didn’t offer enough so TBB said “not available” but he would be for the right offer.
Howard is a good blocker so no worries there. I’d like them to trade for him, but only for a reasonable price, not more than their extra R2 and R5 combined.
2nd? that’s a lot what has he done to merit such a high price? Quentin Jefferson has demonstrated more than Howard this year. Raiders got a comp third for their former 1st round CB.
Howard has done a lot more than Conley in the NFL.
He’s just not a fit with Bruce Arians’ scheme.
We have all of November to put it all together and we are 2-0 in the division. We have just as good a shot as any team in the league. But we know 49ers DL is gonna be a problem and that team reminds us of 2011. I’m totally jack up for this Seahawk team because I know when a player like Blair emerges its one step closer to a dynasty. Players like Tedric have huge roles to play as draft pick bait.
Plugging 1 hole when another most likely will emerge is not wise in my opinion. Ansah did not play so we are still waiting to determine what kind of fit he is with Seattle. Clowney is what everyone expected good player not worth 20 million. D. Brown has missed 2 games we know what that means in Seattle. Ravens have a nasty DL our guys minus Fluker are not tuff enough but they’re all good OL. Pete was scared pre game because he knew the OL is not tuff enough and DL ain’t playing right. Bobby can’t do everything and the Carroll defense breaks down when the DL breaks down. RG3 killed Seattle and the Texas QB killed USC but you cant build a team to stop those guys, if you do they will be out of the league before you finished build the team.
Rob, do you think the hawks will adjust their personnel scheme after this week? Do you think the three linebacker base set is here to stay? Because it is hard to see how it is helping us when our run defense is average. I’d rather see Blaire out there or move into a dime look.
We need an elite free safety this draft unless Amadi is the answer but I am a bit doubtful.
I’ve no idea. I think it’s as simple as they like the LB’s a lot more than the DB’s and that’s why they’re doing what they’re doing.
To compare this situation to the other football, it kind of reminds me of England’s insistence of always playing Gerrard and Lampard together in midfield… Because yes, those two are better players than the other options but playing them both was hurting the rest of the team because they were too similar.
I thought that when Pete said he wanted to get them all out there at once he was going to be a bit more creative than just 4-3 base on every down apart from 3rd and long. Maybe a 3-3 nickle and getting creative with the blitzes?
I don’t blame them for that at all, all 3 would start on every team in the NFL. I hope they make changes but not holding my breath. I think Blaire has the best chance to find his way to a starting spot, but we’ll see. I think he’s got more potential than McDougold and that McDougold is a better free safety than Tedric.
Interesting stat I was not aware of…
Notwithstanding that stat or the loss, I think it’s impressive that the SEA defense held the number 1 offense in the NFL to 2 FGs and a TD. Even more impressive that they held BAL to 2 FGs through 3 quarters.
Wow on the radio it seemed as if Kendricks was killing it. Kendrick’s does have a history of missing tackles so that’s bad news for him.
next year Dan Quin
Ha! I was just about to post this question:
Looks like Dan Quinn is coaching his last season with ATL. Would you want to bring hi back as DC? The best defense SEA has ever had was with him as DC.
But they good before him (G. Bradley) and after him (K. Richard) at DC. A little bit of right place, right time for DQ. He is a stellar D line coach but i think Clint Hurtt is doing a good job. He’ll be a DC somewhere. Cleveland?
Quinn hasn’t had a good defense in years either. Ironically the Falcons have been at the top of the league in offense and the bottom in defense since he took over. Going back to being a coordinator probably makes the most sense for him though.
I did a quick bit of research on the sacks/TFLs of teams past to see if those numbers were higher under Bradley, Quinn or Richard. And the answer is no, at least not statistically significant.
More likely a personnel issue. We just don’t have a speed rusher on the roster that those previous rosters did.
I actually think the defense took somewhat of a step forward yesterday, Lamar’s legs not withstanding.
When I we going to talk about how bad Wilson is in inclement weather? You’d think his hand size would make that a strength of his. And how about the turf at the Clink – is it time to acknowledge it as a bad playing surface? We know it has one of the highest injury rates of any field, and none of our players can seem to keep their footing when it gets wet.
I agree with Rob that this was a day the running game had to feature. A day when you run it 30, 35 times. Penny or Procise should’ve gotten a chance to impact the game.
Remember when the Ravens almost missed out on Lamar Jackdon because they took a 35 year old TE in front of him?
CJ needs to change his last name spelling. It’s bungled 75% of the time on Seahawk blogs.
Have been lobbying for ‘NoC’ for a couple years. Meaning x 2.
I’ve seen that. Works for me
+1
How is it that the playing surface was great for Kamara and Smith running the ball in the 2 Seahawks home losses but fans are clamoring for the Hawks equipment people to be fired?……Excuse me but its the Hawks HOME FIELD…..These guys play there and they know the field but are being OUTPLAYED, and OUTCOACHED on this field. C.L. is no longer a home field advantage.
Lousy game but thanks for the podcast Rob. Great work once again.
I wonder why Russ seems to struggle so much in the rain. Playing in the Pacific NW you would think he would be more accustomed to it than any QB in the league.
Ansah 1 Sack
Dee Ford 4 Sacks
Demarcus Lawrence 3.5 Sacks
Frank Clark 3 Sacks
Really of all the huge $ pass rushing signings only the (2) Smiths in GB really seem to be dominating so far.
DeMarcus Lawrence was awesome last night. Granted, Carson Wentz ain’t very good and has beaten maybe 1 good team since 2017 but I digress.
Dee Ford looks to be worth every penny so far IMO.
It’d be nice if Seattle could ‘buy’ some effective pass rush this off-season to go along with our future draft picks & developing players.
Yannick Ngakoue?
Our boy Benson Mayowa has 4.5 sacks, 5 qb hits & 2 ff.
Yesterday was a game they could have used Provide more. Their D was crowding the line, Schotty could have exploited some mismatches with him.
Any chance as a courtesy you’d be willing to use a slightly different name on the blog? I’ve been using DC for the better part of a decade on here.
DCD2 was another DC at one point. It’s popular.
You could go with Marvel. Been putting DC to shame for years.
🤣👌
Dem boyyyz
There you go. Homelander, Black Noir & BillyTheButcher are all still available.
Is it time yet to have a serious discussion about Dickson?
Clowney is playing lights out reguardless of the line’s lack of pressures.
Wilson absolutely needs a TE and a receiver through trades in the next 8 days. If they have team control for atleast 2 additional years even better. Dissly was sorely missed yesterday, and Metcalf is too raw to be targeted this much. His catch rate and technique is sub par for a second option at the moment.
“Is it time yet to have a serious discussion about Dickson? ”
Yes. As far as I can tell no one has asked PC about his decline in play. He was a weapon last year.
I wouldn’t hold your breath on anyone asking either. You can count the number of tough questions Pete’s been asked in Seattle on one hand.
What would you like to ask him?
I’d have a million questions. And you know what? I’d ask him stuff that I don’t even go along with — such as the anti-run stuff. There are a lot in the media who tweet about it but never ask him about it. I’m not anti-run but I’d ask all the questions about it for a start. It’d be interesting to hear his response.
It would definitely be interesting to challenge him on some things, but I think we both know we could sit here and predict his replies pretty accurately right this very moment…
I think you would need a sit-down interview with him after the season to really dig past his usual responses. May it happen one day!
I think some things warrant challenging. For a few weeks Pete has been saying the DL just needs time. But we’re nearly halfway through the season now. What’s going on here? Why are the linebackers seemingly struggling? Where are the turnovers and hits? Why are they underperforming at a level that this defense hasn’t shown under Carroll so far?
That’s what I’m talkin bout.
Bobby Wagner’s notable/impact plays this year, you can count on one hand. Probably even less. This isn’t what we imagined an all-world LB to be.
Would love to get real answers to these questions! Are you friends(/Twitter follows lol) with any of the reporters at the press conferences so as to be able to request they please slip in one or two of those questions in a respectful but upfront way?
What is everybody afraid to ask Carroll the tough questions ? why so “
Many of the answers to those questions are tied to the fact that our D is nowhere near as talented/fierce/hungry as it used to be.
I posed the question earlier this year, how many of our current starters on defense would have started for the title team?
You could certainly argue without much resistance that the answer is zero.
Bobby and KJ because they did start for the title team.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/21/lamar-jackson-ravens-jalen-ramsey-rams-jacoby-brissett-frank-reich-colts-mmqb
Don’t know much about Hooper, haven’t seen him play much. He’s obviously been killing it this season, and seems to have quite the rapport with Matt Ryan. Think I saw he’s in the last year of his rookie deal, so might only be a rental if we could acquire him. What do you think the cost would be? And would it be worth it?
Would hold us over until Dissly gets back next year, then we either re-sign or get priced out and get a good comp pick in return.
I think the 2020 R5 we got for Vannett probably gets it done, and we would likely get a 2021 R4 comp for Hooper if we let him go. So basically the same value, just kicking it one year down the road. I think we can afford to do that since we have extra picks already this year (and that’s before trading down).
I haven’t watched him at all either, but we’ve got to give RW some kind of weapon.
You think ATL would let Hooper go for a R5? He was a R3 pick in 2016 and has played at a commensurate level.
We’d be essentially swapping him for Vannett, which I’m totally in favor of doing. But I don’t know that ATL would take a R5 for a decent TE.
Well, idk. But you’d be trading for just half a season of play from him.
This is pretty much a throw-away season for the Falcons at this point, so they might be looking to “embrace the suck”, get ready to part ways with Dan Quinn, and load up on picks for a new coach.
If they let him walk in FA, they maybe get a 2021 R4 instead, but might rather have the 2020 R5 up front.
Who knows, maybe I am greatly underestimating his value and it would cost a R3 or R4 to pry him away, but I feel that’s pretty steep for just 8 games. I’ll be the first to say, though: it’s just total guesswork on my part.
You raise valid points. Both from ATL’s perspective that they may net a R4 comp pick, and from a would-be trader that they may only have a half season rental.
Either way I’m ok with adding Hooper. We need a TE badly.
If Dickson wasn’t ready to come back and play, I am still not sure why the traded Vannett.
Nice to see KJ Hamler in there. I am in love with him. Electric.
Can’t help but feel like Seattle getting 1 big hit on Lamar Jackson in space changes that dynamic. And as big a fan of his that I am, he’s not the type to lead a team from behind just yet.
Did you see this clip?
https://twitter.com/thecheckdown/status/1186321164500516866
I respect the competitive nature and the obvious talent, but man he sounds a little over-the-top crazy…
I mean, I get the idea. But maybe not the best idea for now with the team leaning on the offense and our punter struggling?
Then punt.
My point is that PC has always opted to play it safe and lean on his defense. That’s why we defer if we win the toss and choose to flip field position than go for it on offense. It sends a message and allows our defense to set the tone.
That’s all great if you have an excellent defense, but we don’t have that any more right now. So maybe the right choice is to recognize that we live and die by our offense this season, which has already been proven true anyways, so why try and deny it?
Once the pass rush finally starts looking threatening and some guys step up in the secondary, then sure, go back to leaning on them like always. If you had to bet on Carson/Wilson getting 3 yards or our DL getting a sack, which would you take right now…?
Sorry / unclear. I was responding more to Pete than you. If his only choice was to have Myers attempt a 50+ field goal in the rain or punt, punt.
I would have gone for it.
No prob.; I didn’t read it that way at all.
I don’t mind the FG try, actually. Myers should be making some long ones and I don’t feel that’s on PC.
But I do agree with you that PC should at least consider going for it. The offense has become the stronger unit this season, so we can’t pretend like it’s the 2013 defense we’re sending out there any more.
Not saying PC should go for it every time either, but at least consider the flow of the game and think about it is all I’m asking, don’t just fall back on “that’s not who we are”.
It’s easy to say from my lofty Monday morning quarterback couch, but I would have punted it in that situation. Better to pin BAL deep in their own territory than chance giving them the ball near midfield. Also, isn’t that why they spent a R4 on a punter? I know Dickson hasn’t been as good as he was in his rookie season, but that’s his bread and butter — pinning an opponent deep inside their own red zone. His distance and hang time have been off, but a punt opportunity like that could restore some confidence to the lad. But I agree that Myers has a big leg, and maybe he makes that without the wet, so it’s not a big deal to me PC opted to try for the FG.
The decision I scratch my head at was his challenge of the non call PI. That non call was never going to be overturned. And speaking of, I was glad the refs let the WRs and DBs play. There was a lot of contact going both ways, and I think it would’ve been a detriment to the game overall if they’d been calling those tightly. Plenty of OPI for them to have thrown the flag over.
+1 anything over 50 yards unless its absolutely necessary. Good news Myers has a big leg its just not consistent.
Great podcast Rob. I have disagreed with you on this D-line and the Collier pick, but I just wanted to say thank you for all the content you pump out to us, and it’s a lot easier for me to challenge the blog on one particular point then it is for you to constantly give us a fresh look at the team and whats available from College. Thank you for what you do sir!
And that’s what this place is about. Polite (though robust) disagreement but never taking it personally and always moving on.
Very keen observation in the podcast about how differently fans would feel about the Seahawks being 4-3 but having won the games we expected to win and lost the games we expected to lose, as opposed to being 5-2, winning a game or 2 we didn’t expect, but losing a couple we expected to win. Being 4-1, then 5-1, gave some fans unrealistic expectations.
I’m not calling anyone out so this isn’t personal to anyone, but last week after a gutsy, tough win on the road at CLE, some on the blog were proclaiming this team would go 12-4. I think it’s clear this isn’t a 12-4 team. But I can also understand why some would think they are, given how well this offense can play (at least with Dissly on the field). This is a season of mania for Hawks fans — good enough to compete with anyone, but inconsistent enough to lose any game.
Well pointed out, and Rob has been on this from the get-go this season
Yes, shooting ourselves in the foot with errors and not playing up to our potential is frustrating, but these guys are not robots out there. The stuff they do is not easy or a given. Winning in the NFL is supposed to be hard.
I would encourage anyone who is mad and tempted to seek out a scapegoat after every loss to go see what some other fan bases live through week to week. Just the little I’ve seen on Twitter makes me sooo glad I’m a Hawks fan, tbh.
Ok, this is a meme, but not that far off from reality for a lot of fans on the internet… (warning: language)
https://mobile.twitter.com/NFL_Memes/status/1186098251667259393
Of Russell Wilson’s 21 incompletions, 12 were throw-aways. “They had us covered up pretty good,” Carroll said.
Sounds like an offense that could use another weapon.
Jimmy Smith wasn’t even playing, either.
Starting to wonder if Home turf is an issue- particularly here with WRs getting separation and making cuts. Will be interested to track as the season goes along. Maybe better to be the Wild Card.
And we never adjusted.
Why can’t Brady let a backup play those 6 divisional games..they still win right!
Never good when your QB is “seeing ghosts” lmaaao
The one thing that must be resisted is the throwing-the-baby-out-with-the-bath-water rage that happens after each and every loss. It dulls sensible thought. It dulls perspective. Tame your Freudian ID after losses, and look a the facts, reality, and where we realistically are at this point in time. Is there really any reason to doubt the PC/JS tandem when you look over their entire body of work? The easy answer is NO!
This is a team that is in the process of trying to get to the point where we are a true SB contending team. We are in a rebuilding/reloading mode the past few seasons, and even then, we’ve been a playoff caliber team. Can we get to that next level? There’s reason to believe that we can, but it’s not a sure deal. That’s where the discussion should be.
We have a bevy of draft picks next year, and a full load, I believe, the next year. We have key decisions to make. Who do we retain, and who do we cut loose? What recent draft choices are keepers? What are the offensive and defensive units that need shoring up in the draft and FAcy? What coaching positions are truly in need of an upgrade, and can we truly replace them with better talent.
A lot of these questions simply can’t be answered with any degree of certainty at the present time. We need to see more of our young talent. We need to see if our front 7 can become more formidable. We have to be patient and let this season unfold.
There are a few thing I’m pleased about in terms of potential for our defensive unit. They come in the names of Griffin, Amadi, Blair, Barton, and Burr-Kirven. These guys all excite me. Barton and Burr-Kirven I watched a lot in college ball. They are great football players who can flat out play. I have little problem losing either KJ or Kendricks in the coming year or two with these guys. I believe in them.
Griffin has somewhat surprised me this year, just as I was getting ready to dial back my hopes for him. He’s developing into a first rate talent, methinks.
Blair just likes to hit and play football. If he matures in the mind and his knowledge of the game…could be a real keeper.
And there’s just something about Amadi. This guy’s just got a nose for the ball and for doing the right thing. I want to see more.
Lastly, I want to keep Clowney. With Reed, Clowney, Ford, and possibly Greene and/or Collier, we’ve got a stake in the ground and something to build off of.
Anyway…
I like what you did there.
Since were getting younger, let’s get these guys time this year, especially in these next 2 games. Blair is already showing potential after his first start. Amadi as well as Barton and BBK……..The latter 2 are almost exclusively ST players but they need game exp, just like Blair just got.
With the 2020 draft picks we have, why not play these guys?…..I guess the argument would be the W/L record and playoff implications. The truth is, this team is the 4th youngest in the NFL this year. And with the plethora of 2020 picks and cap room I have to say, just cut these guys loose and get them in there and see what they’ve got.
On the plus side, who cares if they get No 1 seed or No 6 seed as long as they make the playoffs. They suck at home anyways.. better odds of winning a shootout on the road 🙂
makes sense to me
I agree, it’s been like this for a few years. Not sure what the distractions are, but it seems like they are ready to play more when on the road. Maybe Pete needs to put them in a hotel on Saturday nights when playing at home.
Can’t argue there.
The way Blair and Flowers played is much more important than final result imois. As Rob said here multiple times , we are not SB contender this year. But if players like Quill, Blair, Flowers, LJ, Green, Jamarco, Fant, Morreore, DK etc, show they are good to great or that they could be good to great in a year or two, our chances to be real SB contender are really high.
I agree Quill, Flowers & Blair are important developments. Jamarco is he a better fit at OT? How good is Fant? Moore is on track. LJ & Green no clue what’s going on. Prosise looks good. Ravens beat us up and I don’t know if I can handle it if SF does it to us, please we have got to do something Sherman will drive me crazy.
Even at 5-2, I think we’re further away from contention than I thought at the start of the season.
I think we’ve become a team with a great QB and not much else.
^^^^^What Rob said
Look how young we are…
Starting offense 26.4 years
Starting defense 25.6 years
And for example here is for NEP
Offense 29.0
Defense 28.5
And look who is young too…49ers:
Offense 26.7
defense 25.7
Fant(27) is 2 years older than Ifedi (25).
LJ Collier(24) is 2 years older than Rasheem(22), and only one year younger than Ifedi.
Rob, what would you be ready to give for Jamal Adams? And what would Jets accept in your opinion?
2020 1st? 2020 2nd + 2021 2nd?
This is just hypothetical but would you give DK Metcalf for Jamal? 🙂
I would in a heartbeat…
Not Rob, but first of all, I don’t think they are open to trading him.
Secondly, if they were, I imagine it would start with a R1 + another high pick R2 or R3. Similar to Frank Clark price.
Lastly, though I like Adams’ intensity, I’m not sure SS is what we need when we’ve already got McDougald and Blair on the roster.
To me it looks like he is really unhappy there. You don’t want to keep player who is so unhappy and this is his 3rd year on rookie contract. Time for extension is closer every day.
I just cant imagine that SS and pass rusher have the same value,. You could just compare their future salaries and you could see that Frank values is much higher (so it should count for compensation too 🙂 ). but ok you know how much I respect your opinion.
Bradley is almost 30 years old, he is slower every day, and second year in a row he has injury problems. Blair can play FS.
What ever happened to Deone Bucannon? I know he’s a FA, but what happened to his game? Did he just stop playing well? I remember the blog discussing the merits of a money backer — a hybrid safety/LB.
I like SEA’s defensive backfield. Flowers just had one of his best games vs BAL. Griffin has been solid all year. Blair looks promising and McDougald is solid. What they lack is a quality nickel back. Jamar Taylor has flashes, but no consistency. Amadi hasn’t seen any play time, despite looking ready, which tells me he doesn’t know the coverage packages yet.
Not sure about TT. Don’t know that his college game is good enough for the NFL. He’s a tad slow (both physically and reading plays), doesn’t play man very well, gets caught out of position. These were all things he did pretty well in college, so it’s concerning that he seems lacking in those traits now. Maybe he would benefit from sitting out a game or two while Blair gets some experience. Would like to see what Amadi has too.
Jets would be crazy to trade him. Think it would cost at least two R1’s.
I knew the Cards threw a bunch but they have top 5 rushing DVOA. Apparently, they face the lowest number of defenders in the box, which makes their rushing game efficient. The Hawks meanwhile spend years trying to find nasty BAMF and have a bottom 10 rushing DVOA. What a fun time to be a Cards fan.
It looks like Fluker isn’t happy with Pete’s comment about competition at right guard.
Good. Light a fire under him. He needs to play better if he wants to start over Jones.
Hopefully more young guys start pushing the vets for their spots. PC already said Blair has earned more playing time, and he called out TT for yet another big play given up, so maybe Amadi can get some looks if McDougald is still ailing. I’d like to see Barton out there taking some of KJ’s snaps as well.
We can’t fall back on the same excuse they pulled out the past few years that none of our young guys could break into the team. We need to accelerate their learning process if we want to add pieces and contend the next 2-3 years.
Sanu to Patriots for 2nd round 2020 pick. Shocked how much they gave. Belichik doesnr care about picks at all.
Surprised at the price but NE are in ultra win now.
Always liked Sanu, going back to Rutgers. Glad he’s had a decent career.
Yeah, but as Breer points out, he’s on two cheap years of his deal:
Sanu was a good get for NE. A bit pricey though. He won’t under-achieve like some of the other guy’s they have brought in. Sounds like Atlanta is giving up on their season altogether. TE coming our way? 🙂
Seems like a yearly thing: Patriot’s mid-season piece.
Evaluate, identify, solve…win.