Quenton Nelson is tremendous & a very early 2018 pick

Notre Dame guard Quenton Nelson is an absolute stud

A number of guard prospects (or tackles projected to move inside) have gone in the first half of round one in recent years. Brandon Scherff was the #5 pick in 2015, Zack Martin was the #16 pick in 2014 and two players (Jonathan Cooper and Chance Warmack) were top-10 picks in 2013.

Notre Dame’s Quenton Nelson is destined to follow suit.

I sat down yesterday to watch him for the first time and was incredibly impressed. He has the size (6-5, 330lbs) and subsequent power to work inside but he does the little things so well.

Nelson is incredibly subtle at turning defensive linemen to open up gaps. So often in big games against the likes of Stanford, he was able to cajole the defender out of the play. Hand placement, balance — it was all on show. The D-liner is consistently turned, they can’t square up to make a play against the RB and big running lanes are created.

He also does a good job throwing his hands and extending, creating leverage and from that position it’s incredibly difficult for a defender to recover. He seems to have better than usual length for an interior guy and the way he locks out and keeps opponents away from his frame generally eliminates counters and allows him to finish.

After watching three games there wasn’t a single occasion where I saw Nelson flustered and beaten by quickness off the snap or an effective swim move. He was in complete control. Even on the occasions where he was shoved back (Malik McDowell had one really good bull rush against him for Michigan State) he was able to stay with his man and contain — avoiding being sent to the turf, giving his quarterback enough time to realise the danger and adjust or throw the ball.

The piรจce de rรฉsistance is the edge he plays with. He’s not Garret Bolles but he’s one notch down. Nelson plays to the whistle, frequently finishes blocks and there are several plays where he dumps the defensive lineman on his backside and makes sure he knows about it. On one play he pulled to the right and absolutely hammered a defensive back playing up at the LOS — and he enjoyed it.

So how is he athletically? It’s sometimes hard to tell with guards, considering they play inside. This GIF, however, is a big positive for two reasons. Firstly, it’s a great blitz pick-up. Secondly, look at the diagnosis, the quick reactions and the footwork and athleticism to actually get across and make the save. This is a ‘wow’ play:

Now look at him on this pull block, driving #14 downfield (he’s #56):

He’s pretty brilliant at pull blocking and getting to the second level:

In this era of struggling O-lines and everyone wanting to find a solution, Quenton Nelson is going to go very early in next years draft. The top ten isn’t improbable — in fact it might be likely.

It’s fairly well established the likes of Derwin James, Saquon Barkley, Christian Wilkins and the quarterbacks (Darnold, Jackson, Rosen, Allen, Fitzgerald) will go early. Quenton Nelson absolutely needs to be added to this list. He’s a stone cold stunner ready to answer the NFL’s call for linemen.

While we’re here, this is an early list of players who could land top-15/20 grades:

1. Sam Darnold (QB, USC)
2. Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State)
3. Derwin James (S, Florida State)
4. Quenton Nelson (G, Notre Dame)
5. Christian Wilkins (DT, Clemson)
6. Lamar Jackson (QB, Louisville)
7. Josh Rosen (QB, UCLA)
8. Vita Vea (DT, Washington)
9. Trey Adams (T, Washington)
10. Bradley Chubb (DE, NC State)
11. Josh Allen (QB, Wyoming)
12. Nick Fitzgerald (QB, Mississippi State)
13. Connor Williams (T, Texas)
14. Derrius Guice (RB, LSU)
15. Clelin Ferrell (DE, Clemson)

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  1. Aaron

    Do we think Hawks go guard or tackle in the first round this year?

    • C-Dog

      Right now I’d say best player available at either position.

    • SeaHusky

      Depends on if they still view Fant as their preferred LT for the future. Odhiambo clearly is not the answer there, but I still think that he can play LG fairly well.

      I’m still miffed that the FO drafted Pocic in the second round to basically be a backup center. Let him compete at RT , and if he’s better than Ifedi, than slide Ifedi inside at guard. It just doesn’t make sense to me that they would extend Britt (good move) but then draft a second rounder to be a backup. At this point, I can’t even begin to guess at what the FO views the future OL of the future to be. My best guess is:


      I agree with C-Dog. Just draft the BPA at either guard or tackle. At this point, we just need an infusion of more talent on the OL, and an upgrade at either guard or tackle will be met with open arms.

      • Hawk Eye

        I doubt they draft o line in the first round. They are already the youngest o line in the league and the 2nd oldest defense. I think they want this line to grow together and improve with experience.
        I bet they trade out of the 1st and draft D first
        Or maybe TE

        • mac

          No matter what, Joeckel is gone and so we are going to get younger regardless. If Fant comes back to play LT for us than Odi has to become our left guard. Pocic either becomes our RG or RT. Personally, I don’t think Ifedi has looked terrible, Glow is a dumpster fire and its killing Ifedi, I feel we need a veteran presence at for Ifedi to grow at RIght Tackle. I would love Quenton Nelson, Mike Gesicki and Cody O’Connell. The continent is disappointing in technique but I do like the mass and would love to see his athleticism at the combine.

          Would love to hear more of Robs input on these players and next years probable plan with the offensive line.

          Even though our O-line is a mess, we have almost had a couple of really big plays that could of cracked open the GB and SF games, I trust that Pete and Bevell will make the proper adjustments or Pete will find someone to make them. This offseason, I could see JS focusing more $ on the trenches, I also hope Malik McDowel can fight his way back and not retire or end up with a permanent disability.

  2. AndrewP

    Begs the question: How is Notre Dame not better with two potential top-20 picks playing together on that OL?

  3. Nick

    What are your thoughts on Luke Falk, Rob? Round 1 potential?

    • Rob Staton

      Sadly not, I think he’s more day three.

    • mac

      I think Luke Falk would be best to go to the Jags. He seems like a possibly good Parcells QB for Coughlin to do some work with. I’m a big Falk fan but with all the talent in the draft, He will seriously have to step up his game and even then people will see him as a system qb.

      • Kenny Sloth

        Eh. He’s got a noodle arm

        You can win around that. But he thinks his shit is live.

        It’s not. He thinks he can make throws he can’t. In college.

        I hope for Wasu’s sake he never has to throw a pass in the NFL because he throws so many pickable balls.

        Throws the daintiest little ducks you’ll see.

        If I ever saw him throw a deep out with velocity or huck it 40+ off balance/ with no base I might change my tune

        Fuse Browning and Falk and you’d have a decent prospect.

        I wouldn’t count on either producing though.
        I wouldn’t want em as backups at the next level.

        Sorry to be scalding, but like Justin Smoak

        I love dingin homers ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • AndrewP

          Arm strength is not Falk’s problem in regard to making it in the NFL. Quick decision making, however, is a big concern in that regard. I’ll give you that morphing Browning and Falk into one person might get you an NFL starter.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Falk+Browning= Darnold imo

            He’s gritty. I think he can take a good team far at the next level.

            He’s that kid growing up who was pickin gravel out of his elbows all the time

          • Brett

            Im Homer McHomersiville but Falk has UDFA written all over him. System guy to the core. If he makes 1 start that is due to winning the job and not injury like necessity, I will buy you a large pizza.

  4. Ishmael

    Nice little list. James and Barkley are two of the most fun players to watch I’ve seen for a while.

    Not sure if you have the time or the inclination, Rob, but I’d be deeply appreciative if you could have a bit of a look at Russell Wilson’s mechanics over these last couple of games. Some smart people are starting to say there’s something wrong going on there, and I think it’s going to be a big problem if they’re right.

    Not enough to justify certain conspiracy theories, but maybe enough to start doing a bit of pearl clutching.

    • C-Dog

      For what it’s worth, I took a gander at some of stuff from the 49ers game. There were some throws where his windup was low, the over throws were obvious, but also on a few completions. There were also throws where his release was much tighter.

      With respect to Fahey, I think it’s a stretch to suggest that this a big issue at this point. We shall see. His throw to P-Rich for the TD was on the run to his left with pressure from an athletic DT, throwing across his body, with a quick release and perfect touch. IMO, that was an almost absurdly difficult throw to make.

      I was at the game on an end zone side of the 300s. There was a pass play was right in front of us, where he dropped back, Ifedi didn’t get out of his stance fast enough, and the LE had a free sprint and absolutely blasted RW as he got the pass off. So, yeah. I can totally imagine he might have been playing hurt during the game, and that was effecting things.

      Also, I’ve noticed through the course of his career that he’s had some stinker games in wet conditions where his mechanics weren’t there. So while most of the time, he does play with solid mechanics, there are times when they get away from him. I think it is fair to call him a bit of a streaky passer, but a lot of QBs are.

      • Ishmael

        Thanks for that. Maybe something to keep a bit of an eye on next week then, but definitely too early to start getting panicky. And it’s a good point you make about him always being a bit of a streaky passer, has always had those frustrating games and moment.

  5. Ground_Hawk

    He might be more of a day 2 guy, but Florida’s CB Duke Dawson could end up having himself a decent year, and might just push to go earlier than some have him projected. Nfldraftscout.com currently has him rated at #86 http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=130843&draftyear=2018&genpos=CB.

    What are your thoughts on Dawson, Rob?

  6. Matt

    I got a chance to watch Darnold live against Texas.

    Man oh man…He’s honestly the best college QB I’ve seen in a long time. The dude has a presence that’s hard to describe. Both teams gravitated to him. It was really cool to see in person.

    As far as his game is concerned, the dude is just balls. I cannot tell you how poorly his supporting cast played (for the most part). He was constantly under duress and I can’t remember a single instance of him backing down.

    The last drive in regulation was all I really needed to see. I looked over at my buddy (a Texas fan) and said, “you are not going to like what’s about to happen.” 38 seconds to tie the game with no timeouts. What a talent.

    Regarding Nelson – wow. 2 of those clips might be the best OL plays I’ve seen from a college player. It’s too bad he’s going to go so high because that’s the type of guy we need.

    Great work Rob!

    • Rob Staton

      Darnold is a fantastic talent for sure. Probable #1 overall pick next year.

      Agreed on Nelson too — would be an ideal Seahawk.

      • Kenny Sloth

        Gritty competitor

        Read up on him

        Not your typical cali kid

  7. Robert Las Vegas

    Rob thank you for your latest article it was really my question to you is a couple years didn’t the seahawks have formations where they lined up 6offensive lineman on the field I think it use to be Alvin Bailey do you think the seahawks may go back to something like that.

    • Kenny Sloth

      They did this in preseason with Tobin as the 6th ol

    • Rob Staton

      They did, and I think that remains a possibility. They have been using max protect recently which is similar, carrying extra blockers. I havenโ€™t studied snaps but Tobin could act as a sixth lineman.

      • Hawk Eye

        did they not use Tobin as 6th lineman against the 49’rs?

        • Kenny Sloth

          Maybe….. I was so f***ed up that I thought the OL looked world class so.

          Always take my observations with a grain of salt or two

        • Rob Staton

          Possibly — I haven’t gone back to watch that game. One viewing was enough ๐Ÿ™‚

  8. Kenny Sloth

    Aaron Hernandez’ brain was found to have one the most advanced cases of CTE (brain trauma) in such a young player they had ever seen

    • Kenny Sloth

      He killed himself in prison in April

    • SeaHusky

      Interesting to see that his family is suing the NFL and the Patriots, but not UF. Not saying that their case is solid whatsoever, but he played more football games for Florida than he did the Patriots.

      • Deryck

        Always sue who has the most money, Pats and NFL have more money than the university. Suing Patriots and NFL is also probably easier than going after a publicly funded university.

        Probably hard to find fault on the Pats but the NFL could be at fault, some sort of negligence could be found I’d imagine.

        • SeaHusky

          Good point on the money. I didn’t even think of that at the time of writing my comment, but it makes a lot of sense.

          I just don’t know how solid the case would be unless the prosecuting team can find hard evidence of the Patriots withholding concussion reports from the league and/or Hernandez (unlikely) or finding hard evidence that the Patriots forced Hernandez to play even though they knew he was concussed. Other than that, I don’t know how they could beat the league/Patriots’ argument that the game of football entails certain risks, especially potential head injuries due to in-game hits.

    • C-Dog

      There was a fascinating study done a few years ago about the very high percentages of people doing hard time for violent crimes that had suffered significant head trauma prior to the violent crimes for which they were convicted for. The study suggested, fairly strongly, that the brain injuries effected their ability to be empathetic and recognize basic “right from wrongs” that people without these injuries would most likely feel.

      This isn’t a shocking revelation about Hernandez. I think I’ve heard it described that there was a period of time when he was a good natured kid, but something happened as a teen in which he changed, and started hanging with rougher crowds.

    • Ishmael

      That’s a very scary, and sad, story.

      • Kenny Sloth

        The saga of Aaron Hernandez is a tragedy that’s final chapter is yet to be closed.

        Hate the game not the player?

        • Ishmael

          Hard to know man. If he was brain injured as badly as it sounds like he was, how much culpability does he have? And if the brain damage was caused by football…

          Itโ€™s an ugly, messy, awful, story with a lot of blame and guilt and suffering to go around.

          • House

            I read something a while back saying he had 5-6 concussions during his time at Florida. The brain is a crazy thing. Not taking away from any of the bad/dumb stuff he did, but a dinged up brain didn’t help him any.

            • Kenny Sloth

              I quit football because I saw stars.

              My mind is too important for me to damage it without at least getting high from it lmaAAO

          • Volume12

            This is a sh*tstorm for the NFL. They’re in trouble with this lawsuit.

            Not a good look for a league struggling to engage viewers and turning off long time fans.

  9. drewdawg11

    If the offense keeps playing the way it has the first two games, they will actually have a chance to draft this kid. I just can’t believe how comically bad they are playing.

  10. nichansen01

    what are the thoughts on WSU’s Cody O’Connol as a pro prospect? Might be too tall to play with Wilson.

    • Kenny Sloth

      If he ever got his hips down, then his height wouldnt matter

      He doesn’t so his prospects dont look great for most teams.

      The ‘continent’ as he’s so aptly named isn’t too tall, but he doesnt have very good technique.

      He better be pretty special in other ways as the year goes on, because he’s undrafted for me right now

      • mac

        I love WSU but I have to agree. The continent stands too tall, gets beat too often and worries me that with all that size that he couldn’t seize the starting LT opportunity. I would like him as UDFA though or very late round pick if he tests well.

        • Kenny Sloth

          Ditto if he jumps well

          I like a tall OL! It’s a weapon.

          But not if he isn’t good at the OL stuff.

          Sink your hips, bend your knees, mirror, punch, grip, finish

  11. nichansen01

    Also the rams are winning the NFC west. So much better than the hawks on offense.

    If only we could fire cable and bevell. I think we either finish third or second the NFC west this year. Unless we start scoring more than ten points per game.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Yeah they’re gonna get figured out before the midpoint and Jared Off will revert to mean.

      If we fired Cable and Bevell the offense might get worse (yes it can get worse)

      “Hey I have a great idea, we’re struggling on offense. Lets ditch the only offensive minds on staff! Pete will put the team on his back”

    • Ishmael

      Wut. They’ve given up 26 points to the Niners.

      Sean McVay is pretty clearly an excellent coach, but their defence is sloppy as. Like always, they’re a year away from being a year away. Nice to see Gurley up and about though, he’s such a smooth runner when he gets going, so balanced.

      • Kenny Sloth

        They ain’t runnin it either.

        They’re simply Goff-ful

        • Ishmael

          This is a candy floss game. Nice and sweet and easy, but ultimately unsubstantial and unsatisfying. Wonโ€™t take you the distance.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Oh wow Goff is averaging almost 10 yards per attempt

            The only player with more?

            Sam flippin Bradford.

            Sounds about right.

            Almost 11 ypa after two games.

            Sounds like some coaches want to get the most out of pass plays because they don’t trust their QBs

  12. Kenny Sloth

    Jared Goff
    Jared Off
    Jared Loss
    Jared Loft
    Jared Lost
    Scared Goff

    Jared “why was I the #1 pick” Goff

    • Kenny Sloth

      Jared “Second Coming of Sam Bradford” Goff

      Striking fear into the hearts of literally nobody

      • Kenny Sloth

        I bet in college even. No-one was like “uh-oh. It’s Goff! He’s good for like 3 wins a year”

    • Ukhawk

      Didn’t watch the game but if Goff is so bad, how’d they put up 41 when we put up 12 last week?

      • Kenny Sloth

        I didn’t watch this crappy little shoot out either.

        They can have their weak ass cali rivalry haha

        Highlights were thoroughly uninspiring.

        I just have a really bleak outlook on his ceiling

        But to your point I am actually more worried about that than anything else. Why can’t our superior personnel put up points on a shared opponent?

        I think this avant garde hierarchy in offensive gameplanning is really hurting the fluidity and and simplicity of the offense.

        We don’t react right, strategically. It’s stilted and like bureaucratic. Instead of instinctual and automatic.

        We need autonomy on offense. Someone who is ready to take advantage of the defense and strike immediately by design when we get certain looks or notice these patterns.

        Oh wow Bevell a slot wheel?? Oh wow with Paul Richardson this time wooooow.

        Not sure if I’ve seen power called much at all in the run game, Tom. Wheres the f***ing beef

  13. nichansen01

    Seahawks are bad folks

    • Rob Staton

      Thank goodness you’re here to offer a daily dose of doom and gloom.

  14. nichansen01

    Time to hang up we nostalgia and be realistic. We are looking at a sub .500 season.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Why and how?

    • Aaron

      And the Rams are going 13-3…simmer down! This roster is far too talented to be anything less than 9-7. Is this because of the o line that you’re saying this? I’m upset about this o line having problems again like everyone else, but enough to dethrone the Hawks from not only winning the NFC West but a winning record, please! I’m frankly done with all this angst and sulking around about the o line and offense. Time to focus on what we can do to make it right instead of what’s wrong. We ain’t gonna magically get someone else’s pro bowl offensive lineman. Let’s roll forward and take these guys as far as we can go, which is well above .500 in my mind. I see us at the worst 10-6 and best 13-3. Go Hawks!!!

    • Logan Lynch

      Is all the trolling really necessary?

    • Del Tre

      We had a less talented defense last year and probably an even worse offensive line. In 2015 I’m pretty sure we had something like 20 or 30 sacks by game 6. Are people forgetting how much worse our O line was in 2015? We didnt even have a good o linemen, no one worthy of the pro bowl. Now we have Britt, Ifedi, and Joeckel. Things will come together, just not as fast as you want them to

  15. Ukhawk

    I know PCJS love guys who can multiple positions so could Vita Vea play both ways? We’d get a 1T & a G in one guy!๐Ÿ˜

  16. Kelly Smith

    Sorry guys but I gotta do it….If as Rob says Nelson is a “stone cold stunner” for the NFL then in the words of Vince Mcmahon. We got No Chance…No Chance in Hell!…(of drafting him) ๐Ÿ™‚

    • Volume12

      ‘It’s still real to me dammit!’ ๐Ÿ˜

      • Volume12

        Goddamm, what the hell is a Quenton Nelson pal? Around here we do half and full Nelson’s dammit!’ ๐Ÿ˜‰

        • Logan Lynch

          Pronouns Vol, Prounouns dammit…or you’re FIIRRRREEED!!

          • Volume12

            As long as I don’t have to join the ‘kiss my a**’ club.

            How’d I know you’d be the only one to get these jokes?

            One of these nights I’ll have to open a curious.cat window for us to talk about RAW and SD as they’re happening.

          • Volume12

            I wonder if PC looks at JS when he drafts a ‘cool guy’ like Vince looks at Triple H when he signs all these ROH nerds (although I do love KO and Sami) to his vanity fed aka NXT and just says like Vince does, ‘dammit John.’

            ‘What the hell are we gonna do these guys pal?’

            • Logan Lynch

              Hah! Then he struts right out of the draft room (hopefully not tearing both quads in the process).

              • Volume12

                HAHA! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

                God that was hilarious! What do u think Batista and Cena were thinking at that time?

                • Logan Lynch

                  The way Vince no-sold those blown quads, I bet they were wondering what the hell he was up to!

  17. drewdawg11

    Goff isn’t as bad as he was his rookie season. He’s not all-pro either, but he made some nice throws last night. The dime to Sammy Watkins over the shoulder was perfection. He’s got all sorts of arm talent. Now, he still looks like he’s never been inside of a weight room. When he starts getting hit I feel like he will revert back to average.

    • C-Dog

      I think what we are seeing is what he can be with a good offensive HC. I wasn’t the biggest fan of his in CFB, but he does have legit arm talent. Like you, I question that frame, but if they can keep him protected and help him with Gurley, I would be really nervous about what the Rams could do this year.

    • Kenny Sloth

      I thought that deep ball floated.

      That’s a deflection against Earl for me

      • C-Dog

        Yeah, I’m not saying he’s perfect but there’s been a lot of highly successful quarterbacks in the league that didn’t have elite level arm strength. I think what helped for them was a system that played to their strengths as they matured.

        • Kenny Sloth

          I think you’re on the money there.

          It’s all about the chess game

      • SeaHusky

        That was my exact thought when I watched the highlights and that play came up. I was half expecting Earl to come screaming from the deep middle of the field and knocking that ball loose.

  18. Logan Lynch

    I like to look at the practice photo galleries on seahawks.com and see if I can pick anything out of the photos that might hint to personnel changes or the like. They seem to have clamped down on what they post pretty hard recently and you can’t glean much from them anymore. However, if you look at the Wednesday Practice gallery and check out pic 30 of 30 it shows what looks like the 2nd team OL blocking against what I would assume is the 1st team OL standing in for the D. The only one you can’t clearly tell is the LT, but I think it’s Battle. L-R was Battle (?), Roos, Pocic, Glow, Tobin. Standing in for the D was clearly Aboushi and Britt with it looks like Ifedi and Odhiambo.

    Now, this doesn’t necessarily mean anything but I believe it backs up the strong hints that Aboushi will be starting at RG this week over Glow. I’ll post the link below in case anyone is interested.


    • AlaskaHawk

      I would really like to see Pocic starting. Not sure what is going on with Glowinski but thought he played better at left guard.

      • Logan Lynch

        That’s really strange to me considering he was a RG in college and played there his first year. He should’ve been more comfortable at that position than LG.

  19. Matherne Michael

    Rob, I know you live up North a ways, but I’m sure you’ve found yourself in London on a Sunday a time or two. I’m visiting and was hoping you could point me in the direction of a London Seahawks bar. Any ideas? Thanks!

    • Rob Staton

      I’m afraid I don’t know of any MM. I know there are bars in London that show the games but not a specific Seahawks bar. Unfortunately unless the game is on Sky Sports you won’t be able to watch it in a bar (this weeks game vs Tennessee is not on Sky) so the only way to watch it will be to subscribe to Gamepass for one week. I watch all of the games on Gamepass at home unless they’re the TV game over here.

      • Kenny Sloth

        You both deserve better…

  20. AlaskaHawk

    Well officiating reared its ugly head again last night with a last drive offensive pass interference call that turned a first down into second down and 20. The sad part is the refs didn’t even review it, they just hurried them back to the line. Two plays later – game over. I hate to see it happen to the 49ers. Other than that it was an entertaining game.

    • Volume12

      How about next week?

      We get some sweet, sweet Aaron Rodgers action vs….? Who’s the Bears QB? Mike Glennon? That’s compelling ball right there.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Well officiated games don’t get enough credit these days. In any competitive sports

  21. HawkBlondie

    Every time the National media is negative about our boys they come up with a big effort. Think about the NE last year.

    Nelson looks like a great cornerstone piece on the interior next to Britt. Any other good college OL to check out?

    Wish we had signed Whitworth instead of Joeckel. He has been great for the Rams and that whole OL looks so much better with him at LT. He is old but not playing like it. Todd Gurley looks like a new man this year as well.

    • pmoney

      Were they supposed to have foreseen Fant’s ACL to sign Whitworth? Why would they spend a ton of money on a very old LT when they had a young guy they saw as the future of the position?

  22. FuzzyLOgic

    Good game last night. I Like to see the NFC West looking halfway decent on night games. Rob….why torture us with O-linemen we won’t be able to get? JK. We all love your draft analysis and can’t wait to see the next article. I can’t say enough how appreciative I am.

  23. Volume12

    Seahawks at UCLA/Stanford tommorow.

    Know what that means? They’re scouting QB Josh Rosen. The internet guru will tell us so.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Lol can we trade Wilson already?!??

      • Kenny Sloth

        I hate the seahawks lol

    • Rob Staton

      Yep, clearly the Seahawks are drafting a new franchise quarterback. Everyone knows UCLA and Stanford don’t have any other prospects. Just the QB. They’re trading Russell. Jared has called it….

      • Volume12

        He’s put together clues according to his stans on twitter. Whatever the hell that means.

  24. Volume12

    Can’t wait for some tape on Moorehead St-Minnesota WR/TE Damon Gibson. 6’4, 235 lbs. Been hearing good things about him, scouts see him as a flex TE.

    12 teams have scouted him, 4 of them have been in contact specifically about Gibson. Impossible to say who those 4 teams are, but Seattle is one of those 12 that have scouted him (at practice).

    2016 stats: 90 rec, 1459 yds, 17 TDs

    2017 stats so far: 29 rec, 400 yds, 3 TDs through 3 games

    • Logan Lynch

      You’re in the know, Vol. Are there any good blocking TEs in the draft? I know there are a couple intriguing pass catchers at TE like that guy at Penn State, but I really think SEA needs a Zach Miller type for this offense. Someone who is a willing blocker, but also can be a reliable target for Russ if he needs it. Doesn’t need to stretch the field by any means. Obviously that’s what they drafted Vannett for, but he doesn’t seem to be working out.

      • Volume12

        Maybe it was Gee Scott, could’ve been someone else, but they said Seattle isn’t high on Vannett’s blocking ability FWIW.

        There’s an interesting TE in that UCLA/Stanford game tommorow night. UCLA’s Caleb Wilson.

        Geisecki is a stud from Penn St. I like 3 guys a lot. Oklahoma’s Mark Andrews, Wisconsin’s Troy Fumagali, and S. Dakota St’s Dallas Goedert.

        There’s 2 older prospects. UMASS’s Adam Brenneman and S. Carolina’s Hayden Hurst. There’s a ton of buzz on Hurst at the moment.

        • C-Dog

          I think Caleb Wilson is a really interesting talent.

  25. 503Hawk

    Someone mentioned that the Hawks are 2-10 in September on the road w/ Pete.
    I also just saw that they average less than 10 points a game on the grass (last 8 games or so).
    ergo, I don’t have a very good feeling about this Sunday. ๐Ÿ™

    I know, kind of sound like nichansen01.

    • Ishmael

      The grass stat is very weird to me, the September one less so.

      Does it throw their timing off just a fraction on offense? They’ve got a lot of small, quick, guys who Wilson only really likes throwing to if they’re open. Maybe the grass slows them down justtt enough to make a difference. They’re a weird, highly strung, team. Doesn’t take much to throw them off.

      • AlaskaHawk

        Apparently rain is enough to make Russell Wilson’s throws off target. He put in some extra practice with wet balls. (hmm??) Maybe the scouts should vet prospects for playing in the rain.

  26. Volume12

    If Seattle isn’t high on this kid I’ll be surprised.

    Stanford HB Bryce Love.

    He’s special. Very special. Might be the most explosive talent in the country. His personality reminds me of Tyler Lockett. Unreal speed.

    Needs to get bigger at the next level, but he runs like a big back. And just because they’ve never taken a certain physical profile doesn’t mean they never will. Troymaine Pope, JD McKissic, interest in TylerErvin & FA Lance Dunbar. They may want a back like this.

    Bryce Love vs USC (September 2017):

    • Ishmael

      Fun kid! Good wheels, good vision.

      They keep him pretty clean though, not sure we’d be able to do that in the same way.

      • Volume12

        That’s something Seattle needs to think about.

        RBs that create for themselves >>>>>

    • icb12

      Keep your eyes on JJ Arcega Whiteside too.

      Talented BIG wide reciever with not a lot of fanfare or experience.

  27. Joshua Smith

    Great article Rob. The two thing I most most want to know about O-linemen are: How is his pass blocking, and how many penalties does he commit?

  28. KD

    Off topic question Rob, but what Husky/Seahawk weekend have you marked for your annual trip this year?

    • Rob Staton

      Iโ€™m in Seattle for the weekend of Washington vs Oregon and Seahawks vs Redskins. Will be attending both games.

      • Kenny Sloth

        Ooohhh I might have to go to that Ducks game ๐Ÿ‘Œ

      • Kenny Sloth

        So you a dang Huskies fan now, is that it, Rob!!

        • Rob Staton

          Haha! No still not a fan of any college team. But fancied the Oregon game despite the fact itโ€™s made the hotels in Seattle that weekend very expensive and full!

      • KD

        The light rail stop at Husky Stadium makes everything 1000% easier.

        • KD

          BTW, I work for one of the companies consulting on the project. If it is on schedule, light rail will extend to Northgate by 2020.

          • SeaHusky

            When are the estimated completion dates of the light rail stations further north in Lynnwood and Everett? I’m very curious to see how much of an impact it has on Seattle’s horrendous traffic once the light rail expands north into the suburbs where many Seattle employees live. Driving south to downtown is awful because of the Lynnwood, Mountlake Terrace/Shoreline, and Northgate traffic chokepoints.

            • KD

              As far as I know, the only talks going on are about the stops between the UW and Northgate. I’m just an admin assistant, but all of the recent meetings are about the Roosevelt station. This is what the focus is at the moment meaning that talks have moved past the U-District station.

              Also, the Roosevelt-Northgate line is considered to be a single project. So currently, the line stops at the UW. by 2020, the line will have an additional stop in the UW, then Roosevelt, then Northgate. This is all happening simultaneously.

            • KD

              As for those further plans for extension into lynwood or Everett, there are no meetings currently taking place as I have seen. I’m not an engineer or an architect. I just sit at the front desk and make sure that visiting consultants know which room to go to. Hell, sometimes i even order the catering. I will tell you this, there is not a single meeting scheduled for anything past the Roosevelt station at the moment. By next year, the focus may shift to the Northgate station, but the entire focus of my company is on the Roosevelt station at the moment.

              That’s all I know.

            • KD

              With regards to the question of traffic, don’t expect much impact. It’s useful for people who want to cheap way to get to and from SeaTac, but for those of us who commute and can’t afford a car, it has been awful. On the way to work, I can take a bus and get to work in 10-15 minutes because it is an express route. On the way back, it takes over an hour because I have to take light rail, get off, wait 20 minutes for a bus, and the bus is slow because it twists and turns constantly.

              Seriously, could the average Seattle resident please stop theorizing about how to improve the life of working class people? All they ever do is make it harder for people like me.

              • KD

                Sorry. Went off on a rant again, and this is not the venue to do that. I’ll try to keep myself more in check in the future.

            • CharlieTheUnicorn

              The regional transit authority has not laid out plans except that Tacoma (2030) / (2028) Federal Way would be hooked into the system by 2032, Everett is the 2025 range I think. By the time they get it done, I might as well retire. ๐Ÿ™‚

            • MarkinSeattle

              Lynnwood is 2024
              Everett is 2036

  29. WALL UP

    Jacob Pugh OLB/DE could be one to keep an eye on, as a 3rd rd pick.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Any relation to Justin and Mallory Pugh??

    • D-OZ

      Look’s like the perfect SAM, long and violent…

  30. BobbyK

    They don’t care about best player available or they would have taken TJ Watt like any circus monkey should have…

    • KD

      A million people can speculate in hindsight. A million monkeys also chose countless busts that you, I, and any number of Seahawks fans would have loved if they had fallen. A million idiots also passed on Richard Sherman, Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, Russel Wilson, Kam, etc. Let’s not let hindsight blind the fact that not only has this FO drafted those guys, but they have been aggressive and signed FAs like Bennet, Avril, Marshawn, Graham and Sheldon Richardson.

      Let’s not go nuts over passing on a single player.

    • Volume12

      I’m more bummed out that they passed on CB Bradley Roby.

    • Ishmael

      Eh, what would they do with a 3-4 OLB? Heโ€™d be on the field what… 20% of the time?

    • Del Tre

      2 sacks against the Browns
      TJ Watt for MVP
      C’mon, we have Sheldon Richardson. We have 4 players who can get 10 sacks in a season, 2 or 3 behind them that i trust can make it to 5. Why do we need TJ Watt?

  31. Ed

    You want to go cheap on the oline, go cheap. But if you are going to do that, get players that have played the position. The Hawks seem to pass on solid OL with experience to uber athletes. Change the philosophy so the same problems are the same problems. This franchise is wasting one of the best defenses (consistently) for years with a putrid offense and even more putrid offensive line. Stop reaching for measurables and just get football players on the OL please.

    • KD

      >You want to go expensive on the oline, go expensive

      How would you spend money on the O-Line given the current market? Even then, that is not the right question. The right question is: What would you sacrifice for a marginal improvement to the O-Line? Given that offensive linemen are overpaid relative to their performance, who would you sacrifice on defense in order to make a marginal gain on offense?

      Ultimately, that is the trade off you have to make. You would have to trade a fantastic defensive player for a an offensive lineman who could marginally impact the offense.

      There are no solutions. Only trade-offs.

    • Volume12

      More worrisome? They’re wasting RW.

      A good O-line can make an average QB look great. A bad O-line can make great QBs frightened and hesitant.

      • C-Dog


        • Hawk Eye

          i think that is becoming the scary possibility.
          they either do not have good talent, cannot coach it, cannot scheme for it or the line is too inexperienced to be productive. Seems to be endless choices as to why it is going wrong, which may also make harder to fix. Which one is the real problem (s)?
          If the o line cannot get to top 20, hard to see them making the SB this year, unless Russell becomes a magician. But he seems off so far.

          Still to soon to panic (right??)

          • Volume12


            Look at Matt Ryan. He was regressing badly and all of a sudden? He’s the 3rd-4th best QB in the league right now. Difference is, his technical ability was never failing him because his O-line was so horrendous. It’s not RW’s fault, but I dont recognize him anymore.

            When will teams learn? Oh that’s right. They won’t. They’ll blame everyone but themselves.

  32. CharlieTheUnicorn

    Quenton Nelson….. that is one hell of a blitz pickup… coming from LG across the formation and putting a block on the blitzer from the right side…. and not a subtle block, he pretty much stoned him. Something I noticed in the clips are his use of his hands and his feet. Both were extremely quick to my eye. Sadly, Seattle will be unable to draft him…..

  33. white-salmon-hawk

    NC State v Florida St
    17-10 going into halftime.

    NC State
    11 Meyers, Jakobi 6-2 203 WR R-So.
    Snags a catch, jukes Derwin in space and takes it 71 yards for the touchdown. With a full front flip to cross the goal line.

    NC State
    98 Hill, B.J. 6-4 315 DT Sr.
    Was watching Chubb but this guy kept pushing the pocket back. See him as a NT prospect.

  34. Volume12

    Seahawks at ‘Bama/Vandy, USC/Cal, and of previously mentioned UCLA/Stanford this week.

    • Volume12

      *multiple scouts on hand for this ‘Bama game.

      • Volume12

        Best FS in CFB right there in Ronnie Harrison.

        • Volume12

          ‘Bama HB Damien Harris is so much better than Scarborough.

          • 12thManderson

            Right in that height/weight range

            • Volume12

              Such a well rounded player too. Plays STs, good receiver, good pass protector, runs angry.

              He’s a stud.

            • Volume12

              Harris also ran a 4.50 40 this spring, 10’0 broad jump, and 35″ vert.

    • LeonardW

      How do you find this information?

  35. Volume12

    Vandy LB Charles Wright- 6’3, 325 lbs. with 7 TFL 5 QB hurries, and 6 sacks!?

  36. FuzzyLOgic

    Maybe we underestimate just how good RW can be with a decent o-line. Imho I think we are too top heavy on the defensive side. Yes it’s nice to have the top D in the league but at what cost? There are multiple teams in the league that I think would beat us in the playoffs this year simply because RW won’t have any time to do anything. I really don’t have ANY suber bowl expectations this year simply because our opponents will outscore us. Maybe I’m in the minority here but I’d be willing to make sacrifices on aging players to get a better o-line. Let go of or trade Sherman/Graham/KJ/Avril or others to RW can do some real magic. I would rather have more balance because I trust in Russ and believe he doesn’t need crazy good WR’s or TE’s to score massive points. He does however need an o-line.

    • Rob Staton

      Too much is made of the O-line as the defining problem. That’s not to argue it’s a great line. Clearly it isn’t. But the idea that all of Seattle’s problems stem from the line just isn’t correct.

      The Seahawks appear to be clinging onto an offensive identity that left with Marshawn Lynch. The Head Coach has a way of doing things on both sides of the ball and he knows what he wants from the offense. But the personnel that they have isn’t matched up to what they currently want to do (be a physical run team). Wilson has not started well and that’s not just on the O-line. He has played better with worse O-lines in the past (McQuistan and Bowie at tackle, Drew Nowak at center anyone?). They aren’t doing enough to key-in their star players (Graham and Baldwin) and at the moment it’s a jumbled up mess. It’s not unusual though for them to sort things out after a few weeks.

      But getting rid of players like KJ Wright, Richard Sherman and Cliff Avril to try and throw money at average O-liners is not the solution. And yes, they will be average. Really good offensive linemen in this era of NFL football will not hit the market unless they’re in their mid-30’s like Whitworth. What you’re going to be spending $10-12m a year on are the Riley Reiff’s, Matt Kalil’s and Ricky Wagner’s out there. And Sherman, Avril and Wright etc are so much better for this team.

      • Mike B.

        Or they could’ve just signed Whitworth, Wagner, or any one of those upper-echelon OL instead of Joeckel and Lacy, who are costing the team around $12 mil this year. Joeckel has looked utterly atrocious so far, and Lacy might wind up a total bust. This particular allocation of funds is looking like a major miscalculation.

        • Kenny Sloth

          These additions are meeting my low expectations

      • Hawk Eye

        if I am reading between the tea leaves properly it seems that you are placing most of the blame at the feet of PC for the offensive problems (he is the boss, his problem). He can fit the defensive players into their proper role, but on offense it is a mess because he wants what he wants and no one stops him when the fit is not there. The 3 headed chef is not working. If they can bring in an “offensive guru” who can have control it might be a solution. I am not calling to fire Bevel and Cable because they are not competent, but rather to replace them with someone who Pete will leave alone to do their job. Nothing is happening during the year, but let’s see if the offense improves and the Hawks are serious contenders, or whether the offense once again is the millstone around their neck.

        Maybe Sean Payton has nothing to do next year and wants a challenge (and a defense)?
        just dreaming…..

  37. Mike B.

    So getting back to the OL issue–I like the idea of converting bigger, good-blocking TEs to OTs. Will Dissly from UW is one example of where this might work; there are surely other big, athletic TEs in college who are worth trying out at OL. Instead of trying to convert DL, why not start with someone athletic and who already knows at least basic blocking techniques?

    As for the Seahawks OL issues, maybe more slide blocking (instead of strictly one-on-one blocking) could help alleviate some of the woes.

    • RealRhino2

      Good idea that’s already being done. Of course, then you are also dealing with the disappearance of the blocking TE in college.

      I feel like we also shouldn’t be lumping together guards and tackles in this discussion of OL woes/scarcity. They are different things. I’m not bringing up anything new (to Rob) when I say I don’t really buy all of his arguments about the cause of the lack of good OL prospects. Don’t think as many guys as Rob thinks just pick where they want to play in college. That works for the first year and for recruits, but when a guy isn’t cutting it at DL and could get on the field elsewhere, he’ll play elsewhere. Will Dissly a perfect example. Wanted to be DE, played first year at DE, when it was clear that wasn’t his best role, they moved him. He probably agreed to it, but still. All those guys “picking” DT over OL aren’t going to stay if they aren’t athletic enough to play the position.

      Not to mention, most of those guys are 6-4 and under. Meaning they would almost never be put at tackle in the NFL no matter if they begged to play OT. So we aren’t losing those guys from the OT pool, they were never in it.

  38. Volume12

    Cal LB DeVante Downs plays like a Seahawk man. He’s impressive. Gonna have to dig in on him. And he’s a local boy? ๐Ÿ‘€

  39. AlaskaHawk

    Rob – I would love it if you gave us fans a new space to blog in on game day.

    I’ve enjoyed the articles. Hope all is well at your house.

  40. LeonardW

    What are your thoughts on USC D-linemen Uchenna Nwosu, Rob?

  41. Mike B.

    An underappreciated college left tackle is Martinas Rankin (a senior) from Mississippi State. I’ve watched him play a few games now (and have watched some scouting film) and he’s quite athletic and skilled. If he keeps it up he’ll rise up the draft boards, though I’ve no idea where he’ll be drafted–maybe 2nd round?

    • Volume12

      He’s real good. Former JUCO kid. He’s an NFL LT no doubt. Power, athletic, hands, great balance. Has to work on countering the inside rush moves.

      Made himself some money this year and he’s handling a talented Georgia front 7 tonight.

  42. Volume12

    Rob, you checked out VA-Tech LT Yosuah Nijman? Raw, but prototype NFL LT. Long, and heard he was an athletic freak.

  43. Volume12

    There’s a CB for LSU named Greedy Williams? That’s amazing.

    • Kenny Sloth

      His brother is a 5 star for class of 2021

      Goes by the name of sneezy Williams


  44. Volume12

    The NFL is about to get a dose of talent at the RB position.

    Just at the top of the draft, they’re getting 6 workhorses in Barkley, Guice, Freeman, Chubb (how great is it to see him back), Penny, and Jones III. Not to mention the yearly 2-3 steals at the position on day 3.

    Tons of # 2’s and 3rd down backs as well.

    Fun, fun RB class man.

    • Kenny Sloth


      • 503Hawk

        I was thinking that also. As it stands right now we don’t have a 2nd round pick next year.

  45. Volume12

    This Georgia LB Roquan Smith might be the best one in the country.

    • Volume12

      Looks at this pursuit speed. Fast and loose.


      • Volume12

        Georgia EDGE Lorenzo Carter is a freak! His athleticism was always through the roof. Now he’s putting it all together.

        6’5, 245, great length. Its all coming together for him. Special talent. Nowhere near his ceiling either which is scary.

        • Volume12

          Had a 4.60 40, 40″ vert, SPARQ rating of 129.75!

          • Kenny Sloth

            No way! I knew this kid was electric, but never saw those numbers.

            Red rover red rover send a new LEO on over

            • Volume12

              I’m noticing a trend this year in CFB. Stand up pass rushers are where its at.

              There’s not many 6’5-6’6, 245-250 pound athletes that move and play like this kid. Incredible athlete.

          • Kenny Sloth

            40″ vert at 245 = dislocated my jaw it dropped so fast

            • Volume12

              Actually he was 235, but still.

            • Volume12

              The ND game is crazy. He plays in space, with his hand in the dirt, as a walk up rush LB. So much potential and versatility. He’s starting to process plays lightning quick, and his length is insane.

  46. Volume12

    UCLA DB Adarius Pickett is a stud. Has that Justin Coleman size. He just killed a man.

    • Volume12

      This kid is violent. Flies all around the field. Now he’s gone due to that BS targeting rule.

  47. Volume12

    Penn St. just won on the games final play. What a game. All hail Saturdays.

    • teejmo

      Saquon Barkley – 28 carries, 211 yds; 12 rec, 94 yds. Kid’s special.

      • Volume12

        Yes he is. As is Stanford’s HB Bryce Love. Don’t care about his size the dude is electric.

        You know who else is special? Announcer Rod Gilmore. They keep putting this man on PAC 12 after dark games and I am here. for. it. Love that man with all my heart.

        ‘Stanford. Oh good. A team that makes sense.’

        ‘The next time a team doesn’t run behind a 6’8 O-lineman at the 1 yd line, I swear to god…’

        I’m fascinated by him calling games as if he was in an alternate universe.

  48. Ben

    First time poster but long time lurker. Real quick post and I hope it doesn’t eat lost in the thread but I’m in London for biz & asking if any U.K. hawk fans know of a good spot tow at home the game in central London. I’m staying in the financial district but can easily hop on the tube if necessary. Thanks in advance for any advice

    Rob – your blog is the best Seahawks site on the web. Keep it up man. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿผ

    • Ben

      Should have been “to watch the game”

      Damn fat fingers & autocorrect

  49. Volume12

    Is there a reason that the best O-line in the league, the Oakland Raiders, have an all black line and it isn’t talked about more?

    • Volume12

      Oh no. Now Sean Hannity is all in on CFB. Might have to do something else on Saturdays now.

    • Ishmael

      Because it raises too many uncomfortable questions for people, confounds too many stereotypes. Black men as the aggressors, white men as the protectors, unable to play โ€˜cerebralโ€™ positions like centre etc etc.

      • Volume12

        Great points and agree ๐Ÿ’ฏ

      • MarkinSeattle


        50% of OL NFL players are black. When have you ever heard that black players make bad OL because “they aren’t cerebral”. That is an assinine comment to make. Some of the greatest OL players of all time are black, including Walter Jones. Same goes with Pro Bowlers.

        The reason the color of the Raiders OL is not talked about is because it is not surprising that black OL can be great players, unless you have been living in a hole for the last 50 years.

        • Volume12

          Missed the point, but OK.

          Not sure you realize how rare that is.

        • Ishmael

          Youโ€™ve missed the point, and misread what I wrote.

    • Icb12

      Because it’s also the highest paid oline in nfl?

  50. AlaskaHawk

    Breaking news that Glowinski has been replaced by Aboushi at right guard.

  51. Ishmael

    Barkley highlights from last night. I canโ€™t even think of a player he reminds me of. Special kid, should go top five.


  52. Pran

    Alex Collins seems to be doing better in Baltimore!

  53. vrtkolman

    It really seems like the NFL is the Falcons and everyone else. No one else is balanced on offense and defense.

    • vrtkolman

      NFC not NFL – damn autocorrect.

  54. vrtkolman

    Is Cam Newton’s shoulder a lot worse than they are leading on? He looks legitimately terrible, like a bottom 5 QB.

  55. East Side Stevie

    Hey fellas! I’m in dire need of some help. How/where can I watch the Seahawks game? They aren’t broadcasting in my region. Any ideas???

    • Vista

      There is a subreddit called NFL Streams. It has a post about the game with links to streams

    • Volume12

      U try twitter?

  56. Volume12

    Abosuhi lookin’ solid.

    • Volume12


  57. Volume12

    Why did the stop running the ball that drive? Russ can’t hit the broadside of a barn right now.

    • vrtkolman

      Run the ball.

  58. Volume12

    Great job keeping ur guys in Pete ya dinosaur.

    • Volume12

      * in line

  59. Volume12

    Was just thinking about this. When was the last time Seattle successfully received a punt? Their coverage unit on punts is so damn bad.

    • vrtkolman

      It feels like they get a penalty on every return.

  60. vrtkolman

    The NFL IS pretty unwatchable at this point. More penalty yardage than total yards in this game. Why is Decker allowed to run into Sherman and get a DPI?

    • Volume12

      So bad. If anyone thinks this game isn’t drying up and dying they’re crazy.

  61. Volume12

    Would be nice if Seattle had more weapons in the passing game other than Lockett and Baldwin.

    • Ishmael

      Yep, our receivers arenโ€™t good man. We got sucked in by the preseason. Wilson struggling again though.

  62. Rowdy

    Wilson has played like straight trash this year

  63. Volume12

    Get Sherm outta there.

    • Volume12

      When does the NFL make it a rule that punts can’t be returned anymore? What’s the point?

  64. Ishmael

    This is all feeling grossly familiar.

    Defense will be completely gassed by halftime.

    • Volume12

      This defense is incredible bruh.

      • Volume12

        I’d like to see them add one more young defender that just flies around.

        • Ishmael

          Derwin James? Ha

          I agree though, little bit more

  65. nichansen01

    Everyone criticizes me for being too negative. So I’ll keep my mouth shut. ๐Ÿ™‚

  66. vrtkolman

    That punt return was a touchdown. Bad call but I’ll take that after the Green Bay game.

    • Forty20

      Unfortunately for the Titans those sort of calls really are swings and roundabouts in the NFL. Let’s see if our 2min offence has anything.

      • vrtkolman

        Turns out it was a good call. The ref got the number wrong. Surprise the refs messed up.

        • Forty20

          Yep. Great initial call, sloppy mic work from the officials.

          • RealRhino2

            I’ll check my DVR, but I’m pretty sure the refs got the number and call right, the guys on the booth thought it was somebody else so they kept showing the wrong guy.

  67. Volume12

    Prosise! There he is!

    • Volume12

      Run a fly/jet sweep to Lockett.

      • Volume12

        What a f***in’ throw!

  68. nichansen01

    Can someone remind of the excuse for why we don’t run up tempo all the time?

    • Ed

      DB thru PC. PC seems to be ok with 9-6 wins even though it should be 24-6

    • Volume12

      You answered your own question down below.

      • nichansen01

        I mean, did drive took the same amount of time going three and out takes.

        • Volume12

          For one they aren’t purposefully going for 3 and outs. And the up tempo offense limits play calling, you can’t sub, and wears out the D.

          Lastly, they shouldn’t have to resort to that stuff to move the ball.

  69. nichansen01

    Now the defense caves.

    • Volume12

      Again, on the offense. You run the ball one time on that last drive down inside the red zone and Tennessee has 26-30 seconds to work with instead of a full minute.

  70. Volume12

    That was a great play call on 3rd down. Had Baldwin and Lockett wide open on opposite sides of the formation. More of that please.

  71. Forty20

    Always a treat to see Dougie B put defenders on skates.

  72. vrtkolman

    Good things happen when you run the ball. Congrats Carson.

  73. vrtkolman

    Why the hell did we go empty set on first down? The last drive worked because of the running game? Why go away from it.

  74. Forrest


  75. nichansen01

    Turning into a blowout.

  76. Volume12

    That’s exactly what got Tennessee going. Sherm’s BS.

    Remember. Your either coaching it or letting it happen.

    • vrtkolman

      Whatever adjustments they made at halftime has wrecked our defense. I remember when we were the best team at halftime adjustments.

      • Volume12

        PC is so stubborn that Seattle hasn’t evolved in like 4 years. Seriously. What have they some different?

        • vrtkolman

          Letting an offense isolate Michael Whilhoite on your tight end is something the Saints would do.

    • Rowdy

      Oh yea, that’s what went wrong lmao

      • Volume12

        That flipped the TOP upside down and Tennessee found their rhythm.

        • Rowdy

          Are offense doing most the game and leaving the defense on the field to much is what flipped it

  77. Forrest

    That was unacceptable.

    • nichansen01

      Business decision

  78. Forrest

    Down by 10, if the defense can hold then there’s a chance.

  79. Ed

    Things to do on Monday:

    1. Let RW run the offense and call the plays
    2. Trade JG
    3. Trade/Cut JL

    Are RS and MB distractions. Just as much mouth as plays. KC needs to smack more heads

    • Forrest

      Totally agree with 1 and 3. Wait and see for Graham.

  80. nichansen01

    Defense is so gassed.

    • Ed

      Out of position too, or just getting out coached. Last 3 3 plays the OL has out flanked the DL and they just run wide. It’s ridiculous.

      • Forrest


    • Volume12

      Their O-line has dominated Seattle.

  81. vrtkolman

    Pete wants to be the bully, sorry but it’s not happening anymore. Green Bay and now Tennessee have man handled us.

    • Volume12

      186 rushing yards for Tennessee.

      • Volume12

        PC just got embarrassed at his own game. Physically wearing down your opponent on both sides of the line.

  82. Volume12

    Wow. RW actually didn’t lock onto his 1st read there.

  83. vrtkolman

    Yeah we definitely will need that timeout that was just wasted.

  84. vrtkolman

    You have to be kidding me Russ. That blitzer was competely obvious. Cmonnnn that is so frustrating.

  85. Ishmael

    How did no one see that blitzer coming?

    Amateur hour

  86. Forrest


  87. Ishmael

    Absolutely dreadful.

    Three games in, I know, but changes need to be made.

    • Volume12

      The most worrisome thing besides the fact this O-line is only capable of playing OK or ‘better?’

      The run D.

      • Ishmael

        Yep, that’s what I’m talking about with Richard below. Team has slipped every year he’s been in charge.

  88. Ishmael

    Crazy thought, Kris Richard might not be as good a coach as Dan Quinn…

    • East Side Stevie

      That was evident in year 1 with Dan Quinn as Atlantas Head Coach… how are you just noticing that.

  89. Forrest

    What even was that!!!

  90. Ishmael

    What’s he doing out there? Just isn’t seeing the field well. And as I type that he pulls a rabbit out of the hat.

    Team is a mess though. No identity, and they don’t look well coached either.

  91. Volume12

    How did they waste that 2nd TO?

    • vrtkolman

      Rees was injured in the play before the touchdown.

  92. Volume12

    HAHAHA! ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

  93. nichansen01

    Wow we really suck

  94. nichansen01

    This is literally a joke of a team. Pete needs to go.

  95. vrtkolman

    What a way to end it. Worst coaching job in the Carroll era.

    • RealRhino2

      Nice run game coordination, though. Thank goodness we have that to give us a fighting chance.

      • nichansen01


      • RealRhino2

        No longer being sarcastic, seems pretty clear Kris Richard is a step down from what we had with Bradley and Quinn, and probably isn’t/wasn’t quite ready for the job.

        • East Side Stevie

          This has been obvious for much more than just this season.. Team took a step back post 13-14 seasons. Not a large step but it was a step.

  96. nichansen01

    First half: what is an offense?

    Second half: what is a defense?

    • Forrest


  97. Forrest

    And that’s how it ends?!?

    It’s at the point where I’m not even upset at the losses because I’m expecting them…something needs to change ASAP.

  98. SheHawk

    Yes There was plenty of time to see we had too many out there. Chris Carson came out late when we already had 11 on the line
    thats on coaches

    • Forrest

      That’s bogus. The way Wilson was playing I think he could produced a magical hail mary play…that sucks!

  99. nichansen01

    Literally not surprised or disappointed at all to lose this game. First time in a long time I went into a game 100 percent expecting to lose.

    This team isn’t right. Hasn’t been since we lost Super Bowl 49.

    • Forrest

      I wasn’t 100% expecting a loss, but it was looking in the back of my mind. I’m still apathetically optimistic on the rest of the season though.

  100. Ishmael

    That’s probably the worst coached game I’ve seen from a Carroll-era Seahawks team.

    Bigly issues up and down the team. From the front office, through the coaches, and down to all three phases of the game.

  101. SheHawk

    Things to be optimistic about — we found some offense. Defense was tired but i doubt we have many 100 degree super humid away games moving forward. So at least we have woken up on the Offense a bit.

    Did you guys see a LOT of holding from Tennessee OLine?? – who are all DOGS by the way. Many many times they had KJ’s or others jersey, ( grabbing under the pads where its harder to see) That was how they got their runners around the ends to outside. Refs were not good in this game
    Our D uncharacteristically was not leaving it all out there 2nd half -No bodies flyer or ending up on ground – no attempts to dive and get shoe string tackles on those long TD runs. I think they were really tired T.O.P. We lost the war of attrition

  102. Forrest

    Hey, at least next week is the Colts ๐Ÿ˜

    I think 3-2 going into the bye week is still possible.

  103. Ishmael

    Aaron Rodger is such a freak. On another level.

  104. Trevor

    The Titans are the offence Pete would like to have. Power smash mouth run game and efficient QB with a great OL. Mario ta had time to do whatever he liked today.

    When we play on grass our offence looks old and slow. Kam was flat out awful today.

    A championship caliber team must be able to control the line of scrimmage in on offence / defense. We got destroyed today on both lines. We don’t loom anything like a playoff team right now.

  105. Nathan

    AFC looks interesting this year.

    Hopefully one of these sides can step up and bring down the evil empire in the North East.

  106. Volume12

    They’ve gone away from who and what they were. RW should not be throwing it 49 times.

    Tennessee rushed 3 and got home how many times?

    Improvement in the red zone was the big takeaway for me.

    This team is aging. You have to control the clock even more now. They didn’t need an older DT that is a one trick pony and his one trick ain’t even good. Mariota was pressured twice. Wasn’t Richardson brought in to be that missing ingredient? Of course there’s still alot of time left in the season, but right now he ain’t worth $18 mil.

    To go back to Ishmael’s point about Dan Quinn. He’s adding young, energetic defensive talent that flys around the field. And finding it in the mid-late rounds too.

    Why has Seattle left the girl that brought them to the dance for bae?

    • Volume12

      And what’s worrisome is there’s a SB team in here somewhere. Inside of a hot a** dumpster fire.

      They aren’t even doing the little things right. The fundamental football is so bad right now.

      RW has to play PG again. Over reliance on 1 weapon leads to injuries. And he did some of that today which was great to see.

      Is there dissension in the ranks somewhere? Because it takes a locker room to build a culture, but only 1 body in that said room to destroy said culture.

  107. Ehurd1021

    The defense hasn’t looked the same since Dan Quinn left. I know PC and Richard are both the DC on this team but Richard simply hasn’t been able to keep this team locked in like Quinn. Is that Richards fault; or is this team simply older and unmotivated?

    1. Kam honestly looks like a shell of himself. He just got married, I wonder if that same physical presence he once played is simply behind him because he’s concerned with life after ball – which I COMPLETELY understand.

    2. Jarran Reed has simply looked horrible in run defense and he provides NOTHING in passing situations.

    3. SAM backer is a MAJOR need in this upcoming draft. Obviously, we have stop-gap players there right now but not having talent at that position like we’ve had years past (i.e. Bruce Irvin) is truly exposing this team/defense.

    4. This defense isn’t good enough anymore to have unneeded penalties. The CONSTANT jumping offsides and giving up first downs is simply a lack of discipline and I blame that on coaching.

    4. The offensive line is STILL horrible. Slow starts are killing this team and with the margin of error not being that wide anymore (essentially non-existent), the mistakes of years past are simply game-changing and disastrous.

    5. Lastly, this team has a true identity crisis. Simply because they’re not good enough at the OL to be a true bully anymore. The Seahawks ‘can’t close the circle of toughness’ because there is no physical running game to speak of.

  108. FresnoBrad

    Next season after the NFL & the players make complete idiots of themselves & bankrupt the league trade trouble makers including Sherman & Bennett definitely draft Quenton Nelson with our mid 1st round pick (we’re not making play offs because key players foster hate & lies in their hearts & will be pissed on by most of America, no way Sherman & Bennett rise above it there too weak) Get ready for Americas wrath!

    • Hawk Eye

      well, at least you aren’t bitter

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