Abraham Lucas was a star on day two at the combine
Here’s a breakdown of players at each position that the Seahawks might target in the 2022 draft. The list is based on trends relating to physical profile and personal projections based on team needs and players who’ve caught me eye.
Offensive line
Going into free agency, this feels like the strongest opportunity for the Seahawks to marry need with value at the top of round two.
Abraham Lucas is possibly the most underrated player in the draft. Despite having one of the best Senior Bowl performances — and a great combine — nobody’s talking about him. He ran a 4.92 at 6-6 and 315lbs which was impressive enough. Then he ran a sensational 4.40 short shuttle and a 7.25 three cone. His on-field workout was the best of the group. His level of size, length, athleticism and agility is rare. Lucas might be the most athletic college right tackle to enter the league since Tyron Smith. I think he deserve to go firmly in round one but with so little buzz out there, increasingly I’m wondering if he’ll be available at #41. If he is, the Seahawks should be ready to take him.
After a superb Senior Bowl where he showed rapid development across a productive practise week, Chattanooga’s Cole Strange showed he’s an elite athlete at the combine. He ran a 5.03 forty and a 4.50 short shuttle. His 10-0 broad jump was remarkable. The Seahawks (and the rest of the NFL) have put a lot of focus into explosive traits on the offensive line. Our TEF calculation (explained here) projects Strange as a comparable athlete to Tristan Wirfs and he’s more explosive than Creed Humphrey. He also has 33 inch arms and 10 1/8 inch hands. If the Seahawks want to finally address their glaring hole at center, Strange gives them a chance to do so. They would need to take him in round two.
On tape, Cam Jurgens jumps off the screen. He’s tenacious and physical, giving opponents a headache from the first whistle. There are highlight-reel plays where he’s driving second-level defenders 40-yards downfield. He has ideal center size at just under 6-3 and 303lbs plus 33.5 inch arms and 10 inch hands. He’s extremely athletic — running a 4.92. He combines outstanding physical upside with a country-strong frame and an aggressive mentality. I suspect he will be a late second or early third round pick, given the range players at his position were taken a year ago.
A stand-out player at left tackle in college, Zach Tom lacks the size and length to stick outside and is projected to switch to center (where he already has playing experience). He’s 6-4 and 304lbs with 33 1/4 inch arms and 10.5 inch hands. He ran a 4.94 forty and a superb 4.47 short shuttle. His explosive testing marks are identical to Zion Johnson, who might be a first round pick. A physical comp in terms of explosive traits would be Kolton Miller, the offensive tackle in Las Vegas. Given the LA Rams built their O-line by switching athletic tackles to guard, there’s also a chance the Seahawks could start to do the same with a player like Tom.
Tight end
In our big combine preview, we highlighted how critical agility testing is in projecting potential Seahawks picks at tight end.
The data tells us that a three cone in the sub-7.10 range and a short shuttle under 4.50 puts you on Seattle’s radar.
Here are the players who managed those marks at the combine:
Austin Allen — 4.26 (ss), 7.00 (3c)
Chase Allen — 4.43 (ss), 7.03 (3c)
Jake Ferguson — 4.48 (ss), 7.03 (3c)
Greg Dulcich — 4.37 (ss), 7.05 (3c)
Daniel Bellinger — 4.47 (ss), 7.05 (3c)
Cole Turner — 4.41 (ss), 7.06 (3c)
Curtis Hodges — 4.28 (ss), 7.14 (3c)
Peyton Hendershot (4.25) ran a short shuttle but not a three cone.
If they wanted to take Dulcich they’d likely have to do it at #41. He has elevated himself as the likely #1 tight end in the class and could be off the board before Seattle’s top pick.
I like Jake Ferguson in round two but he is difficult to project based on his 4.81 forty and middling explosive traits. It’s possible he could be there in rounds 3-4 and would provide a tremendous pass-catching option for Seattle.
Austin Allen and Chase Allen are two very interesting prospects who warrant serious consideration in rounds 4-5. Chase plays with his hair on fire and can contribute as a fierce blocker and receiver.
Daniel Bellinger and Cole Turner should also go in that range. Curtis Hodges is incredibly tall and lean and more of a project for the final round or UDFA.
If the Seahawks wanted to take a tight end in the early fourth round with one of their two picks — they will have an excellent opportunity to do so.
Jeremy Ruckert and Cade Otton didn’t test. Both are supremely talented and could also be options for the Seahawks.
Running back
The Seahawks have a clearly defined ‘type’ at running back and over the years we’ve been able to project which players they will like (and ultimately draft).
Generally they like running backs who are approximately 5-10-to-6-0 in height, weigh between 215-225lbs (give or take a few) and have strong performances in the vertical and broad jump (explosive traits are absolutely crucial).
There’s a long list of players in this draft who fit the bill:
Breece Hall — 5-11, 217lbs, 40v, 10-6b
Brian Robinson — 6-2, 225lbs, 30v, 9-11b
Dameon Pierce — 5-10, 218lbs, 34.5v, 9-11b
D’Vonte Price — 6-1, 210lbs, 34v, 9-11b
Isaih Pacheco — 5-10, 216lbs, 33v, 9-10b
Jerome Ford — 5-10, 210lbs, 31v, 9-10v
Kenneth Walker — 5-9, 211lbs, 34v, 10-2b
Kevin Harris — 5-10, 221lbs, 38.5v, 10-6b
Leddie Brown — 6-0, 213lbs, 30v, 9-10b
Snoop Conner — 5-10, 222lbs, 29.5v, 9-10b
Rachaad White — 6-0, 214lbs, 38v, 10-5b
Tyler Allgeier — 5-11, 224lbs, 33v, 10-0b
Tyrion Davis-Price — 6-0, 211lbs, 30v, 9-9b
Zamir White — 6-0, 214lbs, 33.5v, 10-8b
If Rashaad Penny isn’t re-signed, Kenneth Walker could easily be a target for the Seahawks. He has a very similar running style to Penny and offers that same home-run threat when he breaks through to the second level. He ran a 4.39 forty and shares a very similar physical profile to Penny. He looked like a ‘dude’ during on-field drills although if you want him, you might have to draft him in round two.
Zamir White is one of the most underrated players in the draft. He’s explosive and quick — running a 4.40 forty. On tape he’s incredibly patient to let his blocks develop, then he stays skinny and explodes through to the second level. He almost always falls forward and is adept at collecting yards after contact. I think he deserves a second round grade but can imagine him lasting into round three, where he would produce tremendous value.
Dameon Pierce plays like a Seahawks running back. He’s incredibly physical and aggressive, explodes through contact and has the same kind of violent running style we’ve seen from a Chris Carson or Thomas Rawls. I think he will be a third round pick.
Tyrion Davis-Price was lighter than expected but he has a strong frame with deceptively quick feet. He’s able to skip away from tackles but he also has the ability to get the hard yards and run through contact. I also think he’s a third rounder.
Snoop Conner is a grown man who has the ideal size and attitude to play running back in Seattle. He lacks some of the upside of the other players but his ability in pass-pro, play-demeanour and finishing ability warrant serious day-three consideration. He has a chance to provide starting upside later in the draft.
I would expect Breece Hall to be the first running back taken, possibly in the top-40. Running a 4.38 at 5-11 and 217lbs with a 40 inch vertical and a 10-6 broad jump puts you in the Jonathan Stewart physical-category.
Wide receiver
We have enough data now to say definitively — unless a receiver runs a 4.4 or faster, the Seahawks are unlikely to consider them until the later rounds.
An incredible nine players ran a 4.3 or faster at the combine with 18 running a 4.4 or faster in total:
Tyquan Thornton — 4.28
Velus Jones — 4.31
Calvin Austin — 4.32
Alec Pierce — 4.33
Danny Gray — 4.33
Bo Melton — 4.34
Christian Watson — 4.36
Garrett Wilson — 4.38
Chris Olave — 4.39
Skyy Moore — 4.41
Isaiah Weston — 4.42
Jahan Dotson — 4.43
Khalil Shakur — 4.43
Kevin Austin — 4.43
Wan’Dale Robinson — 4.44
George Pickens — 4.47
Braylon Sanders — 4.48
Jalen Tolbert — 4.49
With reports yesterday from Jeremy Fowler that the Seahawks are keeping tabs on the receiver market, they could also look to the draft. You’re only as good as your third receiver in the modern NFL. Although I tend to think this needs to be a ‘go big or go home’ type of situation. Either add a top quality WR3 in free agency or just hope that Dee Eskridge can take a step forward this year.
In the second and third round range, keep an eye on Alec Pierce, Calvin Austin and Wan’Dale Robinson. Pierce reminds me of a better version of Gary Jennings with his red-line ability, high-pointing, contended-catch success and ability to get downfield and make plays. Austin’s shiftiness and dynamism is similar to Tyler Lockett while Robinson’s stocky frame and fearlessness is reminiscent of Golden Tate. Kentucky relied on Robinson so much in 2021.
I also think Christian Watson and Jahan Dotson warrant a serious look.
With the exception of Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave, the rest of the names could provide the Seahawks with an option on day three.
Quarterback
The Seahawks have only drafted two quarterbacks in the Pete Carroll era and the other players they’ve added over the years have had a real mix of skillsets.
However, we know John Schneider loves big physical tools. Malik Willis showed off the biggest arm at the combine, joining Carson Strong at one point in a duel to see who could launch the ball furthest downfield.
Carroll was pictured in conversation with Lane Kiffin, Monte Kiffin and Matt Corral — amid online speculation that the Seahawks really like Corral. I’ll have a piece on him later this week but after doing a bit of digging — I’d suggest Carroll will love Corral’s competitive spirit and leadership.
It’s also worth noting that Alex McGough, one of the two QB’s they’ve drafted since 2010, played for Lane Kiffin at Florida Atlantic. So they’ve drafted from that offense before.
Jeremy Fowler was on ESPN this morning to flesh out his report from yesterday. He said he’s spoken to both camps — the Seahawks’ and Russell Wilson’s. He referenced several things that are clearly directly from Mark Rodgers. Wilson is laying low at the moment but Fowler made it clear he is very much open to going to Denver.
He also says Wilson is not going to force his way out. If a trade happens, it’s because Seattle makes the call.
You can’t have success living in this limbo. It’s why both parties must come together and either agree a long term extension now (which lowers his cap hit to create extra spending money) or embrace a divorce.
Clearly anyone who thinks this saga is over is mistaken. Sadly, it looks like it might drag on for another 12 months.
Fowler also adds that Wilson has some ideas for free agency that he wants heard. My guess is if the Seahawks don’t listen, this could get interesting. It’s possible Fowler’s note yesterday on Seattle sniffing around the receiver market was a message being sent to the quarterback that they are listening.
If/when Aaron Rodgers opts for Green Bay over Denver, things could get interesting.
Meanwhile, Chris Simms stated on PFT today (in conversation with Mike Florio): “Russell Wilson is available to be had. You’ve just got to trust me and Mike.”
In yesterday’s piece I brought up the prospect of Seattle drafting Corral, if available, if they like him — even if Wilson is retained. It sounds preposterous at first — but have a read and make up your own mind.
Defensive tackle
The Seahawks love athletes with unique traits and the defensive tackle class has a handful of truly special athletes. This is a top heavy group though, with little in the way of depth.
If Seattle had their original #10 pick it’d be quite appealing to project one of Jordan Davis, Devonte Wyatt, Travis Jones or Perrion Winfrey to them. We’re talking about a special quartet of world class athletes.
As it happens it seems totally unfathomable that any will last to #41. If they did, however, it would be an exciting prospect.
The position falls off a cliff after that although there is one name to mention. Matthew Butler at Tennessee is well sized (6-4, 297lbs) with good length (33.5 inch arms). He ran a 5.00 forty and then jumped a 32 inch vertical and a 9-4 broad. On tape he makes plays against the pass and run and he’s a gap-shooting penetrator with starter potential at the next level. I suspect he will be a third round pick.
Another option could be Eyioma Uwazurike. He didn’t do any runs but he jumped a 33 inch vertical at 6-6 and 316lbs. He has 35 1/8 inch arms.
Inside/out rushers
With Rasheem Green’s future unclear and with Pete Carroll noting they’d like to improve their interior pass rush, it’s possible they’ll do so by adding a player who can play end on early downs and then reduce inside.
Logan Hall is 6-6 and 283lbs. He ran an excellent 1.68 10-yard split and an impressive 4.44 short shuttle. He has 32 3/4 inch arms which is below Seattle’s preferred 33 inch threshold but he would be ideal as a player who can play across the line and provide interior pressure.
DeMarvin Leal is a similar prospect but with the required length (33 1/4 inch arms). He ran a 4.49 short shuttle at the same weight. His college career promised a lot at Texas A&M but ultimately failed to reach the expected heights.
Joshua Paschal has the same short arms issue as Hall (32 3/4 inches) but he ran a 1.61 10-yard split at 268lbs and jumped a 37.5 inch vertical and a 10-3 broad. On tape he’s a forceful, violent TFL machine who lacks bend and balance off the edge but he’s a versatile defender and a particularly impressive run defender.
EDGE rushers
Despite the loaded options going into the combine, the position failed to deliver. Only two players ran a coveted 1.5 10-yard split and several players had short arms:
Aidan Hutchinson (DE) — 32 1/8
George Karlaftis (DE) — 32 5/8
Myjai Sanders (DE) — 32 5/8
Cam Thomas (DE) — 32 1/2
Boye Mafe (DE) — 32 5/8
As noted several times over the last few days, it feels like Seattle’s best bet is to target a pass rusher in free agency.
Sam Williams could still be an option at #41. He ran a 1.60 10-yard split at 261lbs but looked stiff during drills and will be limited to straight line, pass-rushing attack play given his lack of bend-and-straighten and his problems defending the run.
Amare Barno’s tape is not impressive to say the least but running a 4.36 forty at 6-4 and 246lbs (with 34 inch arms) provides a day three project worth looking at.
Arnold Ebiketie could be an option but he didn’t do any testing in Indianapolis. Ditto Drake Jackson.
DeAngelo Malone and Dominique Robinson both pass the eye test for Seahawks pass rushers. Malone didn’t do any testing after adding 8lbs from the Senior Bowl. Robinson’s runs were sluggish but his 41 inch vertical is evidence of explosive power and upside. Both players could provide value in rounds 3-4.
Linebacker
Clearly the most energetic and exciting workouts at the combine belonged to the linebackers. It was an exceptional showing with the drills containing a ton of energy, noise and impressive physical performances.
Multiple players stood out in the wave and coverage drills. The movement skills were remarkable in some cases as players shifted around the field better than some of the defensive backs. My advice would be to draft a player from this group.
The Seahawks emphasise outstanding physical talent at linebacker and top-level agility performances in the short shuttle. Sadly, hardly any of the players ran a short shuttle due to the NFL’s apparent determination to render the combine utterly useless by moving it to Prime Time, only to register the 68th best ratings on TV on Friday.
There were still several players worth monitoring.
Troy Andersen ran a 4.42 at 6-3 and 243lbs. A former offensive player in college, Andersen flew around the field with ease during drills and looks like a second round pick capable of playing the MIKE or WILL.
Channing Tindall ran a 4.47 and then jumped a 42 inch vertical and a 10-9 broad jump. A self-confessed ‘freak of nature’ — Tindall is a dynamo run-and-hit linebacker who covers ground on tape like he’s attached to a jet engine.
Christian Harris’ tape at Alabama was underwhelming so it was a bit surprising to see how good he looked at the combine. He was silky smooth and one of the best athletes over the course of the four days. He ran a 4.44 and then jumped an 11-0 broad.
Leo Chenal has an unorthodox frame with short legs and a long torso. On tape he’s used as an attack dog blitzing constantly to break into the backfield. He ran a 4.50 at 263lbs and he got in-and-out of the bag drills like he weighed 230lbs. His frame and playing style might not be an obvious fit for Seattle but he’s extremely talented.
Quay Walker ran a 4.52 at 241lbs and while his explosive testing wasn’t quite as sharp as the others, his performance in drills was again outstanding. He moves very easily and can drop comfortably, change direction and accelerate better than most players with his size.
Damone Clark ran a 4.57 at 239lbs. He has good length (33 inch arms) and jumped well — recording a 36.5 inch vertical and a 10-7 broad. In terms of physical appearance he looks sensational. He too moved around the field very easily.
Chad Muma excels in coverage on tape and plays with a passion and desire to get to the ball carrier. He jumped a 40 inch vertical and a 10-9 broad, although his 4.63 forty was slower than most. It didn’t show in drills though where he looked quick with loose hips.
Devin Lloyd was a production machine at Utah and while he didn’t run a blistering forty (4.66), like Muma he looked a lot faster on the field. He jumped a 35 inch vertical and a 10-6 broad.
All of the names above could go between the late first round and third round. I don’t know what will ultimately happen with Bobby Wagner but for me it’s a no-brainer to save $16.6m and tap into this great class. You can find an 8-10 year starter at linebacker this year at a bargain price.
One final other quick note — Jeremiah Moon is a converted defensive end and while he didn’t run well at all in the forty, I thought he had an excellent drills session. He also has 35 inch arms. He could be a day three project as someone who can play outside linebacker.
Cornerback
If the linebacker drills were full of energy — the defensive back drills were the total opposite. They gave off a ‘is it time to go home yet?’ vibe at the end of the week and the coaches should’ve done a better job charging everyone up.
The Seahawks have generally looked for long, tall cornerbacks with 32 inch arms. That changed a year ago when they selected Tre Brown in round four and enjoyed success with DJ Reed. Now they’re talking about incorporating more man-cover concepts which places a premium on speed over length.
If they want an ‘old-fashioned’ Seahawks corner — MJ Emerson definitely fits the bill. He looks like their type of corner from previous years — with 33.5 inch arms, 6-1 in height and 201lbs. He ran a 4.53 and looked excellent during drills. For me, he’s still one to watch.
Jaylen Watson, Alontae Taylor and Tariq Woolen also looked like your typical Seahawks cornerbacks.
If this is a new era though, with man-coverage and speed the key aspects, the following names stood out to me as possible targets:
Jalyn Armour-Davis
Roger McCleary
Cam Taylor-Britt
Cobie Durant
I thought Armour-Davis and McCleary were the two best performers during drills. Both could easily go in round two. Taylor-Britt has a bulldog character and loves to hit and tackle. He might even have some potential as a nickel. Durant has 12 interceptions for SC State and ran a 4.38 forty.
Zyon McCollum was tested with the safety class but after his performance will likely get looks at corner. He could also be someone who goes earlier than people think. His testing performance was off the charts — a 4.33 forty, 39.5 inch vertical, 6.48 three cone and a 3.94 short shuttle. He is an elite athlete who was a team captain at Sam Houston State, collecting 13 interceptions and six forced fumbles in his college career. He might be a day two pick after this.
Safety
Georgia’s Lewis Cine would be an ideal Seahawks target typically given his thunderous hitting ability that energised his team mates. The fact he ran a 4.37 then jumped an 11-1 broad likely shifts his stock high into round one as the top safety in the draft.
Even if the Seahawks retain Quandre Diggs it might be worth looking at this position on day three.
Percy Butler is a special teams demon who ran a 4.36. I would be surprised if he isn’t on Seattle’s radar and an advance warning — I’ll be mocking him to the Seahawks pretty much every time I extend it out to day three.
JT Woods has great size (6-2) and length (32 3/8 inches) and with his 4.36 speed could easily be viewed as a big nickel project. His nine interceptions in the last two seasons could also earn him a shot as a full-time free safety in Seattle. They love speed and production at this spot.
Like Woods, Tycen Anderson has incredible size (6-2) and length (33 inch arms). He’s a box-player but that might be more important with Jamal Adams and Marquise Blair suffering injuries over the last two seasons. He also ran an incredible 4.36.
Final thoughts
By now we all know what this draft class is about. It lacks a defined list of blue-chip, top-10 prospects. So much so that I genuinely think Jacksonville could be justified taking Jordan Davis (aka ‘Thanos’) with the top pick.
However, the depth available on days two and three is remarkable. The Seahawks should protect their picks in rounds 2-4 and aim to be aggressive in free agency.
You can build a young foundation for your roster in this draft. That has to be the aim.
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It’s linked in the article but I would recommend watching this from 1:20 in:
https://youtu.be/1CWoXR0B6J8
Jeremy Fowler has clearly been speaking to Mark Rodgers.
It’s a starting contest between both parties.
Mentioned, Russ has some ideas on how to improve the roster. Wonder if they need to get “his” guys to satisfy him. Seattle hasn’t been great at recruiting big name free agents, I’d imagine the vets will want to know he’s staying before they sign- will be a tricky dance.
Should be some more clarity this week too with Rodgers supposedly using the tag deadline to decide his future which likely is attached to Adams.
Orlovsky with mega truth bombs about the roster construction
Orlovsky: “The last first round pick that the Seattle Seahawks made that was good was Bobby Wagner.”
Shhh! Nobody correct him…he’s making our argument!
I think this is a big, big gamble Jody Allen has allowed.
The next two weeks might shape the success of the team for the next five years, or more.
Been reading and participating on SDB for god knows how long. This is your best coverage to date Rob. Incredible insight. Thanks for all the hard work.
RE: the Wilson Drama. What would a Denver trade look like?
Thanks Cysco
It’s hard to imagine a Denver-deal, just because there are no viable player trade candidates. So it’d have to be a whole bunch of picks
Not Surtain?
Sorry Rob, saw you answered this further down the thread
I don’t blame Russell Wilson waiting to see how the Seahawks free agency period plays out. I don’t trust that they will sign legit free agent players.
A good question is, what would Russell Wilson consider a good Seahawks free agency that would make him want to stay in Seattle?
Would OLB Von Miller and C Brian Allen make him content or not?
OR, does he want C Ryan Jensen and OG Brandon Scherff, in order to not demand a trade?
Schneider recently spoke very highly about Pocic and are “fired up” about Dakoda Shepley. I think those our the top 2 competing for the spot next season. 😢
It’s so difficult to tell. None of the FA centers really excited me. I’m all aboard the Cameron Jurgens train. Would Russ be open to that? It seems like this has to be settled by the draft
Brings back warm memories about how “fired up” they were over Fuller, last off season.
“Schneider recently spoke very highly about Pocic and are “fired up” about Dakoda Shepley” is one of the most depressing things I’ve read this offseason, right up there with “the Seahawks paid Jamal Adams a (large) bonus today”.
Please let this be a smokescreen. Why do I think it isn’t?
Schneider’s favorable Pocic comment confirms to me that whatever good mojo JS may have once possessed … is long, long gone. I wish he (and Pete) were gone as well. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised by a decent draft and free agency, but expecting the worst … Abraham Lucas, if available, passed over for some hidden “gem” from Chattanooga Tech Southern, and so on.
It seems like he wants a receiver — given what Jeremy Fowler said yesterday (which to me felt like a tactical leak by the team)
That’s kind of frustrating, considering we just used 2nd round pick on a WR last year.
It is — but don’t forget, so did the Rams last year.
And it didn’t prevent them from adding OBJ (and winning the SB)
Simply incredible work again this year on your combine coverage Rob. I didn’t even look anywhere else this year. Why bother when you pretty much cover everything from a Hawks perspective. Really appreciate all you do.
Thanks Trevor, I really appreciate that
Frank Clark likely to be released this week. Who is a better option for the Hawks Clark or Jones?
I couldn’t tell who’s a better fit to our new D, the coaches should know, but I’d love to have Clark back.
Zadarius Smith, Demarcus Lawrence and Frank Clark all seem like they’ll be available
The Vikings are going to have to do something with Danielle Hunter too
They’ve got lots of options. They can reduce his cap hit by as much as $13.8m without breaking a sweat.
I would proceed as if he won’t be cut.
Can you explain it to me?
I see he has an $18m roster bonus due shortly and a $26m cap hit.
Sure.
The $18m roster bonus was pretty much never going to be paid as such. It was a tool to allow the Vikings to see how his neck injury shaped up and have an out if they weren’t comfortable (and now his pec injury last fall I suppose too).
If they feel ok with his health and his performance they can simply cut him a check for $18m and convert it from a roster bonus to a signing bonus and spread the hit out over the 4 years he’s signed to (2 years are void).
So they can push as much as $13.5m of that $18m out. If they want to go crazy they can convert his $500k per game bonus and fold that in to for the $13.8 number I quoted above.
The Vikings have $83m available in 2023 and $166m in 2024.
This is the kind of stuff the Seahawks will not do, and one of the reasons they’re falling behind in the arms race.
Thanks
You bet.
The Seahawks have as much as $11m of cap room they could push to 2023 from Russ’ contract. But they won’t.
He’ll have a $52m cap hit in 2023, but the dead cap would ‘only’ be like $25m if they traded him. $27 of that $52 cap comes right back to them upon the trade.
Go for broke. Max him out in 2022 and buy a couple serious players. If it doesn’t work and Russ is unhappy still, boo hoo. You win the PR battle in a landslide AND get a treasure trove of picks and cap in 2023.
Quit this nancing around. Push your chips to the middle of the table or vacate your seat and go play penny slots somewhere else.
Excellent information thanks cha!
I think I’d prefer Jones — to me he has a bit more about him, even at his age.
But I would take Frank
I tend to agree but as you say either would be a nice addition.
I would argue Dameon Pierce is not a prototypical Seahawks RB. He isn’t hurt all the time and spends too many games being active. To me, the sterotypical Seahawks RB has turned into someone who misses half the year each season.
I’d laugh but I’m too busy crying.
Perhaps a pe-existing knee, shoulder, or lower back problem?
That’s because they haven’t drafted him yet.
Put him behind the Seahawks OL, let him run consistently into the Walls that are the Rams and Niners Front 7, and you get the same results with Pierce.
Rob – I’m saddened by the thought that you think all four of those DTs will be gone by 41. I knew Davis would be a 1st rounder for sure, but the thought of just 1 of those other 3 making it to 41 was exciting.
Meanwhile, this was an article headline on Fieldgulls last week: “Sam’s Film Room: Is Jordan Davis worth a first round pick in 2022 NFL Draft?” Man, that site has fallen so far, so fast.
Here is my Wilson to Denver trade compensation. Denver gives up their 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 5th this year and number ones in 2023 & 2024. It sounds like a lot for the Broncos but they are left with picks in rounds 2,3,4,5,6 plus two in the seventh this year and the two future firsts would most likely be late first.
Add Surtain or Chubb. If Commanders are willing to give up Young, we should leverage that into getting Chubb or Surtain from Broncos. 3 firsts and one of those two, maybe even add a 2nd, that would get me a little more excited. Im still on the trade DK if we can pick up 2 firsts for him, too. Move DK to philly for 2 firsts this year or to Giants/jets for a first this year and a first next. Still add Jones in free agency, then get Davis and Corral/Willis, with Olave or Wilson should we get the Eagles deal, that would be major moves to get at least excited about the future.
There’s no chance of this.
I was just spitballing. I never saw anything official on what Washington offered. I was kind of assuming the “strong offer” wasn’t that strong.
Sounds good to me. I would like to be excited about the future of the Seahawks, and a mediocre 2022 with Wilson then watching him walk for nothing doesn’t do that for me.
The pick at #41 should be someone who “tilts the field” AND saves $8-10M versus a free ageng replacement. There will be someone in that category available, but maybe not at the preselected position of desire by the Hawks. I would much rather get a Brooks at LB than a Collier at DE. I also don’t want someone who projects to be potentially impactful or is only on the field for 3rd down..
To me, TE is always kind of a wasted pick in Seattle with Russ. I’d prioritize elsewhere. I’m worried they’ll pick a DT after the top four are gone. That would be a Collier pick. I’m also worried about getting a WR3. I can’t see any free agent WRs who will be worth the money. I thought Eskridge was a flop last year because he waited for the ball to get to him. Check Russ’ passer rating when targeting Eskridge. Ugly! Eskridge should be playing the Tyreek Hill role, moving through levels of coverage, but as a WR3 for now. He should not be standing still waiting for 20 yard passes on the sideline. I fear WR would be a wasted pick.
I think the Hawks want to get back to press man and I believe they’ll make a run at Gilmore in free agency. Same for DE. I think they’ll go for Jones or Landry to “know” they have bookend pass rushers.. They can’t risk #41 being their impact DE and then not being that person, which is likely for the first year at that position. I hate using #41 on a 3rd down only rusher or a run stuffing (only) edge.
The Hawks should seriously look at the O line. I’m really afraid they’ll do more of the same at that position. They need two tackles and a center on the current roster. I believe they (somewhat rightfully) believe it takes a year or two in an NFL weigh room to develop into an NFL O lineman. …and I’m guessing Pete sees this as an all in year before he retires. But, they need to do something meaningful on the line.
Free safety is a hole for the Hawks. I don’t think Diggs will be back, nor do I think he should be paid what he’ll command with that injury. They need some speed, closing speed, at that position and a ball hawk. I think they’ll try to get Adams (who shouldn’t be on the team) closer to the line this year and disguise him with a blitzing LB on the other side (so defenses don’t know which side in the 3-4 the blitz is coming from). I think the Hawks will be in love with Tindall.and that he’ll be the pick if he’s there.
I can’t help but think this is an ideal draft for Al Davis. The raiders under him would be picking somewhere around 6th (as always) and he could grab Jordan Davis and Daniel Faalele.
I’m guessing the Hawks go Gilmore and Jones/Laundry in free agency, then a Tindall with their first pick. I’m hoping they combine that with some O line in free agency.
I’ll probably puke if they draft a tight end.
I won’t have a problem if they take an interior pass rusher who is mostly only on the field on 3rd downs as a rookie. We can’t continue to have this lack of interior pressure on defense.
The only way LJ Collier has ever tilted the field has been due to his weight.
Al would also mix in whoever had the fastest 40 time if he was able.
Give me 2 down travis jones over a TE. Please for the love of whatever I want to see some menace on the defense for a change.
I agree 100% with BobbyK if we draft TE or trade by giving 1st round what’s the point if we can’t use them. With good OL options i don’t mind drafting twice in first 4 round.
Daniel Faiaele is undraftable. He needs a year in fat camp with a dietician and a professional strength trainer.
He does, however, have one of the two things you can’t teach: size.
It took Halfthor Julius Bjornsson until season eight of Game of Thrones to claim the title of World’s Strongest Man. It could be that long of a journey for Faalele.
Faalele is 6’8, 384#
Bjornsson is 6’9 323#
He needs to lose 50#.
To quote Tyler Durden, “His ass is a wad of cookie dough…”
I don’t think he’s undraftable, but the high round speculation is utter garbage. He’s exactly the type of guy a team might take a 6th or 7th round (or UDFA) flyer on. Then give him time to develop. I wouldn’t, but it’s a very low risk/high reward gamble if a team were so inclined.
He has all the size and agility of a manatee. He had a month to get in shape for the combine. He lost three pounds.
Exactly. I wouldn’t draft him at all for the reasons you said. But if you wanted to take a chance, 6th or 7th round picks would be the time to do it. No one really expects those picks to yield starters, so if he washes out it’s not that big of a deal.
Not for nothing but “the mountain,” needed to hit his physical prime.
Oh. And. He needed Brian Shaw to get mortal.
A better analogy might be Rulon Gardner. Not the one who defeated Alexander Karelin, the one who quit The Biggest Loser.
Keyshawn Johnson says ‘don’t be shocked’ if Amari Cooper’s name ends up being connected to Seattle:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ihJJXgbam4&t=470s
That would be a statement addition.
I suspect that would be the one move that would add a lot of goodwill for Russ sticking around. When Russ has given any public input, it’s that he wants more weapons at receiver and better blocking on the line. The former is easier than the latter…
Then what? Trade DK for draft capitol?
No.
People need to realise the modern NFL requires multiple great weapons.
The two teams in the Super Bowl had multiple excellent receivers in 2021.
The phrase ‘you’re only as good as your third receiver’ in today’s NFL is legit.
Wilson has been clamouring for a top WR3 for two years.
It’s not to replace anyone. It’s to add. It’s to put yourself in a position to win.
Cardinals last year:
Rams:
49ers:
It’s an arms race
If we get Amari Cooper, then I’ll assume Pete Carroll will stop meddling with the offensive coordinator’s job.
It would be fun to see Wilson leading an offense that’s not being held back by a defensive minded head coach.
So, no confidence in Eskeridge as #3, LOL.
Not at the moment. But even if Eskridge starts developing, he’s not Amari Cooper. And the thought of a WR corps featuring DK, Cooper, Lockett and Eskridge gives me the warm fuzzies
What if you could get Calvin Austin in Round 2?
Could easily be the next Tyler Lockett.
You can have Eskeridge as WR4 with return duties. If he hits great. If someone gets hurt he steps up.
If DK or Lockett ever had to miss extended time with the current depth chart they would be putrid at WR.
I’ve always interpreted Russ’ previous public asking for superstars as meaning a WR (he didn’t mean a highly paid safety). And that’s not inconsistent with a lot of the best quarterbacks.
If your keeping Russ your keeping DK
That would be interesting, a trio of DK, Tyler and Cooper would make as good a trio as anyone in the league. But he’ll be very expensive, as will DK. Which will likely mean they have to go cheaper at other positions of greater need like EDGE and corner. Something of a tough sell after passing on multiple good C for Eskridge last year, even if his rookie season was a bust.
Allen Robinson II is a FA and given the lack of production last year might be a cheaper decent option. Would give Russ DK and AROB as taller targets, Lockett and Eskridge on the smaller side.
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Meanwhile live on air now, the brilliant Jake Heaps says the difficulty of a Wilson trade makes it low percentage but nobody should rule it out. And he thinks when the Rodgers thing is sorted, that’s when things could get interesting.
Thanks for the Amazing work. Your daily analysis on the Combine was exceptional. Loved the follow ups & podcasts,.
You always seem to bring about that glimmer of hope when it feels like there is none.
Several ways to make this team a contender again.
They just need to do them. An aggressive Free-agency to be the ultimate showing if things have truly changed.
Thanks Scot
I’d be all over the Jags taking Davis 1st overall, he deserves it and there’s no clear option at a more exciting position for them to take.
Plus they play 4 games a year against Henry and Taylor (an excellent name combo fwiw). The former of which absolutely murders them every time. And how do you stop Henry? Hit him early, Davis has the size to allow others to get there and do it, plus the god like athleticism to do it himself: https://youtu.be/EzWNBmjyv7Y
Florio latest with Simms on Wilson is interesting:
https://youtu.be/t-K_nRQv-9g
Florio: “This isn’t over”
Simms: “Russell Wilson is available to be had. You’ve just got to trust me and Mike”
So today we’ve had Jake Heaps claiming it isn’t over and things could get interesting when Rodgers’ future is sorted (while also saying a trade is complex and incredibly difficult to execute). We’ve had Florio and Simms talking this up. And we’ve had Jeremy Fowler saying Wilson is open to Denver.
Maybe Russell isn’t talking because he knows he doesn’t have to push things? Maybe he knows the team wants to move him?? So why speak out?
Maybe both parties just want to be seen as the good guy before this finally gets sorted?
I’m so confused with Seahawks news today.
The news of the Seahawks possibly trading for a WR, yet at the same time leaning towards trading Russell Wilson for the right offer.
To be clear, it’s a free agent move for a WR — not a trade.
I think everything’s on the table and we’re seeing that play out
Good talk on trading Wilson from Orlovsky – “Seahawks aren’t good enough to keep Russell Wilson.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6UEcDytjsY
Sorry. Such an idiot.
Where did you get that info?
Taking the tweet literally.. I’d assume “called around” means they called other teams for player. I don’t think they can actually call/negotiate with players yet.
Jeremy Fowler said they are looking at second tier receivers on the radio, in free agency
‘This is where the Seahawks fans, and the media who cover the Seahawks who confuse themselves as fans from time to time…get pissy about it, but let’s apply common sense’
Sing to me, Mike.
I was buying what Simms was selling until he said it was common knowledge that it would take two 1’s and a 2 for Rodgers/Wilson. I call BS on that. No way, no how.
If AR or Russ goes to Denver, absolutely.
This combine had the fastest average 40 time ever and the most players ever under 4.4.
The official times also seemed to consistently be noticeably faster than unofficial.
I’m not necessarily saying I’m taking some of these times with a grain of salt, but it is on my mind.
Anyone else see where Penny is going to get franchised? I don’t have the story, but saw it somewhere and it looked relatively credible.
If so, I’m okay with that. He’s too fragile to get a long-term contract, but there’s too much upside to let him go. I like the 1-year idea.
Think I saw it was a spoof tweet
It’s a parody account…
Dan Patrick:
“I feel like they’re quietly shopping Russell Wilson”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5f_4v73R58
They are going to get a lot of offers after Rodgers decides, so many teams are desperate for a QB now, just don’t end up being one of them in the end.
I think they’re preparing themselves in case they receive the right offer. And maybe they’re trying to conjure the right offer a bit themselves.
I love Russ and want him to achieve his goal of winning 3 more Super Bowls, with the Seahawks. But I also recognize the reasons for trading him now.
My primary concern with that, however, is a greatly diminished confidence in the drafting of PC/JS. I wonder if they’ll squander the haul of draft capital the organization would get from the trade, especially with a 70 yo HC in a fairly obvious “win now” mode.
But damn if this draft isn’t tailor made for restocking our empty roster cupboard.
“My primary concern with that, however, is a greatly diminished confidence in the drafting of PC/JS”
“But damn if this draft isn’t tailor made for restocking our empty roster cupboard”
Your 2 statements are a total dichotomy my friend.
The problem I see with restocking is we wouldn’t be talking about restocking if they had done it at any time they felt like for the last five years.
These two? Better than good odds they blow capital if it’s the same minds thinking they are pumped or jacked or whatever about pocic’s return.
Ha. If you’re the Raiders with Mahomes and Hebert already in your division, they must be terrified of the thought of Denver acquiring Wilson. Carr + picks would look pretty reasonable from that perspective.
When do the hawks have to make a decision on Bobby?
Another random cap question. I see that we have dead money for Brown and Diggs. If we resign them does the dead money go away?
Bobby Wagner: They could cut him any time. The sooner the better, to go into the legal tampering window with more ammunition. For reference, they cut Carlos Dunlap March 8 last year. Two years ago however, for reasons passing understanding, they held onto Ed Dickson and Tedric Thompson through the initial free agency rush and then Justin Britt until after the draft (DJ Fluker too but that made sense – not much money and they landed his replacement in Lewis).
Dead cap hits: Unfortunately they stay no matter if Brown & Diggs re-sign or not. However, the Seahawks could get clever and push their cap hits out so the 2022 sting isn’t so bad. But that’s aggressive and they haven’t shown that much cap-wise in recent years.
Thanks Cha.
I want to congratulate and thank Rob for his yeoman’s work leading up to, during, and after the Combine. It’s all been excellent, intelligent, cogent and insightful information and analysis, as per usual.
And also for hosting this community of likeminded folks who share a passion for a sport and a team.
Sincerely, from this fan to you: thank you for your generosity in sharing your considerable scouting talents. I could not be more grateful.
Shout out to Robbie for the chats too
And to all SDB contributors 🙏
Thanks Blitzy
The positive feedback from several people is greatly appreciated. The combine coverage was four days straight of live blogging and writing from 9pm-5:30am. Then we started doing a stream at 4:30pm my time. I booked a week off work in order to do this.
Hearing that some people got something out of it is a relief
Rob,
Simply the best. Don’t know how you do it with another job and family, but it is much appreciated.
Coverage here has been outstanding! I found myself refreshing the page a 100 times a day to get the updates!
Thanks Rob
I did the same during the combine.
Much respect Rob, for all of the time and effort you put into this.
Thank you
Brilliant coverage and great chats with Robbie too…
I note that the nfl.com “All-Combine” team fails to mention Abe Lucas… Strange and Jurgens in.
Rob,
The content is exceptional I didn’t even bother with the NFL coverage or ESPN for that matter. I know right where to go for the BEST combine coverage!
Thanks man
This will probably up the price for Coop.
I want DK extended for a long time. That said, I bet ATL would offer up a king’s ransom for him now. Stuck in the short term with Ryan and in a division that currently has no real favorite?
Interesting.
What about…
1. Trade DK to ATL for #8 and picks next year
2. Sign Cooper in FA
3. Target someone like Wan’Dale Robinson in the 3rd (fwiw I really like Robinson’s suddenness)
I don’t think #8 is high enough for Jordan Davis, but you could get Trayvon Walker in that range, or trade down into the teens and look for Wyatt or Jermaine Johnson.
I don’t want to trade DK. But I don’t want to trade Wilson either.
Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.
They hired a new GM last year. I don’t see a guy with some security blowing up all his draft picks for a veteran WR who will cost a lot of picks/salary cap space. Nobody is dumb enough to pull a Jamal Adams except the Seahawks.
WR is more of an impact position than safety. Plus Adams was a disgruntled player who wanted his extension.
2 1sts is not unreasonable for DK. He’s only 24 & will only continue to improve, especially if used better.
If its a top 10, then it’s more likely a 1st & (2nd or 3rd)
If Wilson is traded I could easily see DK following him out in another trade.
Will be interesting story line to follow.
I can see it. Different times but the Falcos gave up a mountain for Julio Jones and we’re out here talking about a first and a 3rd?
It’s possible some team would do that deal.
To be fair I did say two 1sts unless one was a top 10. Then I think the 2nd pick is lower. If mid to low 1sts, I can definitely see 2.
“Nobody is dumb enough to pull a Jamal Adams except the Seahawks.”
😢😢😢
So…. rather than jump on a chance to strike while the division is in flux, ATL is going to sit on their hands and run out the clock on Ryan? You pair DK with Pitts and that’s a pretty formidable 1-2. DK is a local-ish guy, is young and has massive marketing appeal. It’s been reported that Ridley isn’t going to count against the cap while he’s suspended. Now would be the time to do it. Worry about shedding salary next offseason.
Once again, I’d prefer he stay in Seattle but if you’re contemplating offers on Wilson, you don’t bristle at the thought of moving DK.
Winning the division isn’t going to matter if the defense remains trash. To me, you either win the Super Bowl or you don’t. They’re not winning it all with that trash defense.
I wonder how much the WR position matters to these QBs- I suspect it’s #1 criteria. Rodgers seems clearly intent to know the future of Devante Adams before making his own decision.
Rodgers has Adams
Russ has Lockett and DK
Denver has Jeudy/Sutton/Patrick/Hamlin
Having watched the Broncos this last year- those receivers have struggled to stay healthy, and have shown trouble running the correct routes. Tough to pin on them or the past coaching regime/QB of course.
If Seattle can add another big WR- hard to see him leaving if WRs are what matter most. Also explains why they’d be interested to find another threat and supporting of Robs point on what wins SBs in modern NFL.
I’m sure this will be on 710’s page soon or some other format…
Seahawks admit saying they’ll take calls on Wilson lead to more calls on Wilson. Who would’ve thunk it?
s/
That WR they’re targeting is named Christian Kirk.
Personally hoping they gamble on Antonio Brown, sign him to a cheap deal with no guaranteed money, then get some stud OLs.
Would love Christian Kirk, but he’s projected to be $12M APY by Spotrac.
Brown is the ultimate psycho.
Hawks have so many holes on their roster that they need to make the gamble
I’m not sure what the gamble is though. 34 year old dude who hasn’t played a full season in forever? He obviously has some talent still but what are we talking here, league minimum?
Close to the vet min, yeah. His cap hit last season was $3M. If they can get him for somewhere between that and the vet min with no guaranteed money, that’s the gamble in order to fill some of the many other holes on this roster.
I’m convinced the “$8-10mil” WR they are looking for is a WR2 and not a WR3.
I just don’t think Hawks can pay both Lockett and DK $23 mill each and expect to also invest in trenches.
Flip DK for a 1st rounder, receive a $8-10mil WR2 for a mid round pick. Use 1st rounder talent +$10-15mil in savings to go get blue chip player in the Oline and/or pass rush. Obviously this is oversimplified and easier said than done, but if the cards fall just right… why not?
(FYI… I gave this exact idea on Reddit and am getting laughed at… curious what SDB thinks)
I won’t laugh at you but they are not trading Metcalf
I will keep saying this
You need more than two weapons in the NFL. That’s just the way it is. Scroll through the comments and find my post where I compare what the other three NFC West teams had in 2021 compared to Seattle
This is all about adding talent not replacing anyone. Simple as that
On viewing NFL.coms All-Combine team (bizarre imo) I find it absolutely fascinating that Abraham Lucas gets no mention at all. Many of the other stars identified and discussed on SDB can be seen, (Jurgens, Dulich, Strange to name a few) but no mention of Lucas.
It states that Ickey Ekonwu was by far the star of the show with honourable mentions to Bernahrd Raimann, Trevor Penning and Zach Tom. And at right tackle we see Charles Cross and Max Mitchell.
What is the deal here? Maybe there is a chance he drops to 41 but surely NFL teams and scouts have a higher opinion of them than half of the guys that claim to be experts.
That is ridiculous
I wonder how many of these pundits and analysts are represented by agencies like CAA. I mean, if Daniel Jeremiah is represented by the same agency as Zion Johnson, is he contractually obligated to talk him up?
Lucas is starting to feel like one of players who lasts until late three for whatever reason. I truly do not get it.
That won’t happen
I mean you’re probably right. But every year a talent like his starts to get some bump. It’s non existent.
I can’t imagine RT is that devalued. Rewatched a few things of his and I can’t see what Iam not getting with him and the oversight he is recieving.
It’s almost as ridiculous as all the hype Tim Tebow got.
Why?
That made some sense. Football people wanted tebow to be someting he wasn’t. A capable qb.
This is like they are getting snacks with robbie when lucas was doing drills.
I get WSU is slipping from the mind but this is ridiculous.
I’m bracing myself for him being available at 41, and for us not picking him.
Better be jurgens, jones, or some goof up in the first round dropping wyatt for us to be passing on lucas.
This is totally what I’m preparing for. Watching 40 picks come off the board, seeing Lucas, Strange and Jurgens on the board and watching them overdraft someone like Matthew Butler or Tyreke Smith. Then leaking reports about how they knew other teams were really high on the player they took and they knew he was about to be picked.
I don’t want it to cynical, but I’ve been hurt before by this team.
A question for you guys: as mentioned earlier today at the top of this thread, Schneider recently spoke very highly about Pocic and said they are “fired up” about Dakoda Shepley. Sounds to me like they’re prepping the fanbase for yet another year of sub-optimal Center play. Meanwhile, every fan here and others not here that I talk to say we need to upgrade the position. I also hear former players and talking heads, even the “defenders of the faith” say the position needs an upgrade. If I’m right about Schneider and Pete running another year of Pocic back, why do you think that is? What is his cap situation? If basically anyone who knows even a little bit about football can see he’s not the answer, why are they going to stay with him? Or is this a smokescreen and I’m just overreacting here?
Pocic has been hurt and missed time every year he’s been in the league I think except one. At what point do they realize having injury prone guys isn’t smart? Everyone gets hurt here and there, but some guys have the pattern. Pocic would probably have been the starter had he been healthy, but that’s his problem. He isn’t actually horrible when healthy (still not good though).
How is it that the measurables for arm length can be so different, and for different players between the Senior Bowl and the Combine.
Just look at a few of these comparisons, Senior Bowl measures first
Abraham Lucas 34 5/8 SB ; 33 7/8 Cb
Devonte Wyatt 33 SB ; 32 5/8 Cb
Logan Hall 33 3/8 SB ; 32 5/8 Cb
Boyé Mafe 33 3/8 SB ; 32 5/8 Cb
Dominique Robinson 33 3/8 SB ; 33 ¼ Cb
D’Marco Jackson 32 1/8 SB ; 32 ½ Cb
It’s odd, not least because it’s not consistent. Does it matter to the Seahawks that some of these prospects have passed a threshold at the Senior Bowl? This could be quite crucial for some of our guys like Abraham Lucas and Boyé Mafe. If they took a mean measurement they’d be ok?
The last guy I mentioned not least because I’m quite high on him as a potential day 3 pick at the LB position, but particularly in this case because his measure went up (and not by a little)!
Jason at OTC says Ridley’s $11.16m salary that was guaranteed for 2022 tolls to 2023 and the guarantee is gone.
So not only does he lose the use of the $11.16m this year, he’ll probably get negotiated down next year, and that massive free agency 2023 payday at best gets pushed to 2024.
For a $1500 bet.
Maybe some Alabama WRs are just that dumb? They’ve had a bad year off the field.
He did step away from football last year due to mental health issues, so he may have not been making decisions as rationally as he otherwise would have.
I’m also lumping Henry Ruggs in there (AL WRs)
Always intetesting debate when free agency is before the draft. Lets say the sign Brown for two years and Moses or Shell to play RT for two years. You still draft Lucas?
Probably not
I think if Wilson does get traded, the team has to keep itself in the market for a QB in the next 2 drafts after this one. So for that reason, we’d need 3 first round picks, one for each of the next 3 drafts.
On balance I probably want Wilson to stay, but this keeps going through my head;
Denver Broncos receive Russell Wilson and Seattle’s Rd 3 2023
Seattle Seahawks receive;
Denver’s Pk 9 & 40, 2022; Rd1 & 2, 2023 and Rd 1 2024, with Javonte Williams and Bradley Chubb
Quick someone tell me it can’t happen.
I’d be excited for this. But I mentioned something a little similar and Rob said a it’s a now way.
Not that I wouldn’t take that but it feels like that mix is a little rich.
3 firsts
2 seconds.
And two really valuable players.
Maybe three firsts and a player?
I don’t think any offensive player is coming back in a trade unless that player could be had for around a fifth on their own.
Rob your most recently updated horizontal bigboard only has two rounds. Was that intentional?
Nevermind just saw rest coming later
Targets at #41
Yes. It was a flavour of some changes I made
I will post a full board soon
So for all the great work you do here Rob, I’ve decided to name the batch of beer I’m boiling up in your honor.
Rob Staton’s NFL Draft Draft
1 lb. Caramel Munich
1 lb. Caramel Pils
2 lb. Chrystal (90 Lovibond)
4 lb. Oak Smoked Wheat
Milled and mixed in muslin bags
1 lb. Pensacola Raw Wildflower Honey
5 ounces of old stale Tetnang hops – “The Staton Stank”
1 ounce of Saaz hops
Mixed in a Muslin bag.
Salts and yeast TBD. I’m going to boil the wort tonight and chill it. Then I’ll pitch it tomorrow.
Should be ready by the draft.
Prolst…Salud…Skoal!
Kerby Joseph 💙💚
(but holy crap Cine plays absolutely unhinged)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYCGq7CzliI
For me its down to Abe Lucas, Logan Hall, Lewis Cine or Jalen Pitre at 41.
Cine won’t be there at 41.
I don’t want anything to do with Pitre there. That’s too early for him and not another safety
Lucas or bust 2022.
There are a few others for me or bust. Which will make is all the more dispiriting when Seattle has the look of a kid who had his homework eaten by a dog on draft day and selects Max Mitchell or a few others.
Walter Football finally got their visit list up. It tends to confirms my suspicion that they weren’t at the Senior Bowl since there isn’t many mentions of it and that’s the place you have the most access.
I had to look at this with Brave, because there are more pop-ups than Russian porn sites.
Not that I’m looking at that sort of thing. I just care about Ukraine.
Seahawks meetings.
Darrian Beavers, Outside Linebacker, Cincinnati (COM)
Max Borghi, Running Back, Washington State (COM)
Treylon Burks, Wide Receiver, Arkansas (COM)
Arnold Ebiketie, Defensive End, Penn State (COM)
Logan Hall, Defensive End, Houston (COM)
Abraham Lucas, Offensive Tackle, Washington State (COM)
Cade Otton, Tight End, Washington (COM)
Dameon Pierce, Running Back, Florida (SR)
Abram Smith, Running Back, Baylor (COM)
Isaiah Spiller, Running Back, Texas A&M (COM)
Rasheed Walker, Offensive Tackle, Penn State (COM)
Malik Willis, Quarterback, Liberty (COM)
That’s a solid list. Names I am intrigued about is:
Ebiketie: It’s a bummer he didn’t test. We’ll just have to see what his numbers look like during his pro day. If he test well, I wouldn’t be mad if he’s a target at #41. He seems pretty twitched up.
Hall: Inside/Out. He’s someone we already know well. I don’t have as high as some of the others for #41.
Lucas: No-brainer. If he’s there — just do it.
Otton: Dissly 2.0. I would love to have. His injury history and he hasn’t tested might push him down.
Pierce: I don’t think he goes 2nd or 3rd now. That’s a good thing. He might go in that 4th-5th round. He just didn’t test as well. Again, would love to have him.
Walker: Athletic. Upside. I don’t like him as much as others.
**I saw some of Eyioma Uwazurike’s highlights. I like his versatility. He seems to be able to play 3T and 5T in a 4-3 or 3-4. He has a lot of length. Seems to be one of the first off the ball. A lot to work with. I have no idea what round he goes in. He has a lot of interesting traits.
I forgot to mention Eric Johnson from Missouri State. He showed some good things at the Senior Bowl. Hopefully he has a pro day for us to see how athletic he is. He looked fast and beat multiple Olinemen.
Just a reminder, just because Walter Football is reporting that we met with these players doesn’t mean they are interested. In fact, it could be that they are crossing people off their list.
Take Obi Melifonwu for example. Somebody earlier brought up how PC/JS were jumping up and down and cheering during his combine performance. Everybody thought he fit the profile of a Seahawks corner, Tall, long, fast, twitchy. Some thought he could also be a safety.
Well, IIRC we met with him at the combine, invited him to visit the VMAC and had “some other kind of meeting” according to Walter Football. I was sure we were going to draft him,
He went in the 2nd round at 56 to the Raider and was a bust. We thought so much of him that we passed on him at 35 for Malik McDowell and took Ehan Pocic at 58.
We took Shaq Griffin (90) and Delano Hill (95) in the 3rd round and Tedrick Thomson (111) in the 4th, Then Michael Tyson (187) in the 6th.
I suspect the Seahawks were very interested in Melifonwu to be fair. Think he had an official visit and everything.
But they, smartly with hindsight, decided the physical upside didn’t match the determination to be great.
Malik Willis. Interesting. Wouldnt a raw high upside play like Willis make more sense than any other QB option? Trade Russell, use Denver’s pick on Willis, live with the pain of his development but restock with all of Denver’s draft capital.
“Raw” is quite a vague term.
Is showing no evidence of being able to properly read the field, raw? Or being a one read and then try and be a hero with your legs, raw? Is it raw to have mechanical issues that will lead to turnovers because they’ll be very difficult to fix? Is it right to talk about upside just because a player has a big arm and can run?
I’ve said a few times that if you put him in the Greg Roman offense he has a real chance. Otherwise, I would be fearful.
We are talking about Corral marginally more than we were due to reports and a picture. That’s the only reason.
I din’t think there is evidence that Seattle likes a raw player at QB. Wilson wasn’t. Even if you want to go down the high ceiling route and hope is arm can transcend other areas in his game Seattle would be a tough fit for a few reasons.
The problems for Willis in Seattle are 1. Scheme like Rob often mentions. 2. Who could you look to with the offensive staff and believe they have any skills at developing raw talent?
I hate laboring this point but Pete’s kid with no practical football experience and a resume doing different jobs for the team almost every other year he has been here is the guy in charge of teaching the WR’s. And look at the results. Lockett. Turns out he was good regardless of the positional coach since the day he was drafted. And Metcalf. Who is a freaky player that has the same pros and same cons he came to the league with three seasons in.
It took a mid season signing of a running back to turn a four year player into something different. And AP may not even be around next year as a player or potential coach.
Another report from Charlie Campbell of Walter Football lists the fairly obvious report of Seahawks looking at the OL with pick 41. The list of offensive linemen that are listed in his report is fairly interesting:
“The Seahawks like Iowa center Tyler Linderbaum, although he probably won’t get to their second-round pick. Seattle also really likes LSU guard Ed Ingram and Boston College guard Zion Johnson. Another blocker who intrigues the organization is Georgia’s Jamaree Salyer, who is more of a guard for the NFL but played offensive tackle for the Bulldogs. All of those linemen are viewed as being capable of starting quickly.”
Walter Football has never had accurate info on the Seahawks. But it does seem odd that literally the day after Charlie Campbell reported interest in Matt Corall that he’s pictured with Pete and the Kiffins. Maybe the Seahawks are on the smokescreen tour this year?
I’d take all this with a pinch of salt.
I don’t mean to be negative about this report in particular but I have a hard time thinking someone in Seattle is reeling off a list of players they like.
I’m paying a bit more attention to the Matt Corral thing just because that picture was… interesting.
Without any thought put into draft sites can mock Olinemen to Seattle for as long as it takes until the oline isn’t a liability. From niche writers, those unconnected, to bigger writers Seattle’s oline is roundly considered one of the worst in NFL.
Brady on track with us here:
https://www.espn.com/blog/seattle-seahawks/post/_/id/35714/could-von-miller-chandler-jones-fill-seahawks-need-for-game-wrecker-at-edge
And here’s a fact that hits quite hard:
Great article
Agreed.
Though he would of course fit, I have a hard time seeing Von Miller swapping LA for Seattle (or any team, really) unless they pretty much dump him at the curb with their offer. But I suspect with aggressive use of void years they will come up with something at least non-insulting and he will make another run with them next year. Hard to leave a championship team at that point in one’s career and after having made so much money IMO.
Chandler Jones, on the other hand, I could imagine might be more than ready for a change of scenery…
Yet further reason why the will they won’t they slog of this timeline in regards to Wilson needs to come to pass. Regardless of some fans feelings about Wilson I’d put the likelihood of Chandler Jones signing with Seatlle at 0% if the QB position is uncertain. There are a handful of players in the league where money being about relative are actually going to want to win or have a shot to do that.
Every time I get a little bit excited, get my hopes up that maybe this will be the offseason that the team needs to reinvent itself, I get smacked back down to reality with articles like this.
How can we even dare hope for that given the last, oh I don’t know, 4 or 5 free agency periods and drafts?
Fortunately, we won’t have to wait much longer before we know if there’s a wind of change blowing, or it’s just more Carroll farts masquerading as sunshine. If Seattle go through the first wave of FA without a single splash addition (on either side of the ball, but primarily ED/DE), I’ll know what we’re in for, and I will temper my expectations and enthusiasm accordingly.
Rob and others.
Any interior dlinemen free agents you hope Seattle goes after? Personally I am hoping to see Calais Campbell in wolf grey next year.
Just tried running through the list of interior Dline names and was sorely unimpressed. Now that it feels increasingly blog favorites will all be gone by 41, I have long wished to see some truly menacing pocket collapsing force inside. Even if it’s a straight up hawg that doesn’t get a ton of pressure themselves but truly takes two players to stand up repeatedly.
I like Larry Ogunjobi but I think Cinci will pay him enough to stay. 7 sacks from the interior thiugh
Great shout. Thanks.
The problem with this kind of projection regarding who may or may not be available at 41 is that even if one of the top DTs like Winfrey or Jones is available, there’s no guarantee PC/JS would take him.
I’ve a sinking feeling we’re all gonna be WTF?!? – and not in a good way – when the pick is announced.
It’ll be déjà vû all over again 🤦🏻♂️
The dream is they address some of these needs and if a winfrey, jones is sitting there they still pull the trigger.
I’m trying to stay hopeful that they do enough in free agency that if they pick Dulcich i’ll be stoked and not holding my head in my hands. If they pick yet another “versatile,” olinemen i’m probably going to have to start looking for another team to follow until my team is sold.
Optimistic take: Seattle has been better picking in the 2nd round than the 1st. Frank, DK, Reed, Taylor…
Akiem Hicks is the only other DT that I would get excited about. But, he will probably cost too much money.
A few intriguing players, but not really an upgrade from Al Woods, are the following players…
Danny Shelton, Vernon Butler, Maurice Hurst, and Tim Settle.
My concern today is that this is reminiscent of the Pass Rush Debacle of 2020.
The Seahawks stated improving it was a goal. Then they sat on their hands and waited for somebody to do something.
By August it was out of control. They finally woke up and massively overspent on Jamal Adams.
Feels like what they’re doing with Russ. The only thing they have resembling a plan is to listen to Russ offers from other teams, and make some calls about free agent WRs.
This should have been resolved months ago. There is going to be a price to pay for their inaction. We just don’t know what it is and how big it is at this point.
Aaron Rodgers: $200M/4 years, $153M Guaranteed (Ian Rapoport)
Looks like 4 yrs, $200m for Aaron.
Link: https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1501232835486703625?s=21
There’s a dimono
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