This mock is heavily influenced by three things.
1. Pete Carroll speaking honestly about the need to improve the defensive front seven
2. My conversation with Jim Nagy on Tuesday
3. An interview John Schneider gave to 710 Seattle Sports this week
Everyone can see the Seahawks need to upgrade on the defensive line and at linebacker. The fact Carroll spent considerable time publicly stating it has influenced me in this latest projection.
Jim Nagy made me consider a couple of things after our conversation. The key one was his point about the Manning Passing Academy, which he attended last year. He says all the big names were there barring C.J. Stroud and the two players who stood out physically way beyond everyone else were Will Levis and Anthony Richardson.
We are about to embark on a series of events where Levis and Richardson will be able to show-off their physical prowess. Don’t underestimate the impact this will have.
The other thing was the players he mentioned when I asked for a 2023 answer to Tariq Woolen. He suggested Army’s Andre Carter and Georgia Tech’s Keion White — both defensive linemen. Although Woolen lasted well into day three, I wonder if the Seahawks will draft either of these two to try and find a unique difference maker — an X-factor — for their pass rush.
Then there was Schneider saying their approach to the draft last year was to ignore need and focus on adding talent. It produced an excellent 2022 class and you’d have to think they’ll create a similar plan this year.
This is just one proposal, one mock draft. I will do several before April. This isn’t definitively what I think is going to happen. It’s a conversation starter. In a week where the Head Coach spoke openly and honestly about the dramatic improvement needed in the defensive front seven — I wanted to show what that could mean.
Here’s the mock, it’s a two-rounder with thoughts below…
The mock draft
The big trade at #1 overall
I have Carolina trading from #9 in a deal with Chicago for the #1 pick. In return the Bears get the 61st overall pick plus the Panthers’ first round picks in 2024 and 2025.
First round
#1 Carolina (v/CHI) — CJ Stroud (QB, Ohio State)
Why might the Panthers out-bid teams here and tempt the Bears to drop out of the top-five? David Tepper is not an inactive owner. They’ve been chasing a quarterback splash for years. I think Chicago would ideally stay in the top-five but if the Panthers offer their first round picks in 2024 and 2025, plus additional compensation, I’m not sure the Colts will match that. It would depend on how much Indy values one specific quarterback over the others. Why Stroud? Tepper has been seeking special for some time and if he watched Stroud against Georgia, the best team in college football, he would’ve seen what special looks like. The Panthers have a better roster than we think and play in a weak division. A quality QB could make them a serious threat, so expect a bold strategy to try and get the top pick.
#2 Houston — Will Levis (QB, Kentucky)
There’s been a lot of nonsense spoken about Levis — a player handed a hospital-pass of a situation in Kentucky. He played behind a shocking offensive line, with few weapons in a loaded SEC. In 2021 when he played for Liam Coen and had a second round receiver, he looked fantastic. He has everything pro-teams are looking for in a signal caller, has excellent upside and is a prototype passer.
#3 Arizona — Will Anderson (EDGE, Alabama)
Many will have dreamed of having Anderson in Seattle and there’s now a very real chance he’ll be playing at Lumen Field every season, only for the Cardinals.
#4 Indianapolis — Anthony Richardson (QB, Florida)
As with Levis, there’s been far too much focus on the negatives with Richardson. Here’s what he offers — incredible physical tools, superstar potential and good character. It’s a winning formula. Yes he’s inexperienced and will need time but his upside is through the roof. Someone is going to take a chance on Richardson and if he’s managed properly he could be a special talent.
#5 Seattle — Jalen Carter (DT, Georgia)
I am worried about the reported character concerns surrounding Carter, which I think are connected to the issues with his conditioning that surfaced against LSU and Ohio State. However, we know the Carroll Seahawks. We know they’re willing to roll the dice and back themselves. We know they’re attracted to blue-chip players. Carter carries a big question mark but he also might be the most talented player in the draft. However much concern I have, he is exactly what they need up front. They’d have to get his conditioning on point otherwise he’ll be stuck playing 40% of the snaps but if you can get him going, watch out. If they want a player who can be a factor, he’s a factor. One thing I will say — Fletcher Cox’s scouting report from 2012 is quite similar to the way we’re talking about Carter. The top three physically impressive QB’s being off the board makes this an easier call for John Schneider but I think he’ll have a lot of interest in Stroud, Levis and Richardson.
#6 Detroit (v/LA) — Tyree Wilson (DE, Texas Tech)
I was reviewing Wilson’s tape recently and it hit me. We all know he has great length and size. I just focused on his frame for one whole game and I’ve not seen a body type like his before. He is unique. His testing will be key because he won’t go sixth overall purely due to long arms and a great body. If he can show quickness, agility and explosive traits, he will be seen as special.
#7 Las Vegas — Bryce Young (QB, Alabama)
This will be the suggestion that has everyone howling because the mainstream media have convinced everyone that Young is destined to go first overall. Let’s be clear — Young is a brilliant talent. Putting him seventh overall is hardly a damning review. I think people are underestimating how teams will view his size. He’s supposedly up into the 190lbs range and after downing a couple of jugs of water, I’m sure he’ll sneak above 200lbs at the combine. The reality is though that he’s smaller than anyone who has ever been talked about going this early in the draft and teams will worry about durability. Especially when there are three other ‘prototype’ quarterbacks who will also receive high grades. This would be a good spot for Young in this offense with Davante Adams, Hunter Renfrow and Darren Waller to throw to.
#8 Atlanta — Bijan Robinson (RB, Texas)
Terry Fontenot has shown he’s the type of GM who likes to go BPA. I’m not sure you can pass up arguably the best player in the draft just because Tyler Allgeier had a decent rookie season. Imagine Robinson, Kyle Pitts and Drake London on the same field. Whew.
#9 Chicago (v/CAR) — Myles Murphy (DE, Clemson)
He’s a pussycat in the running game, he lacks college production despite playing on a loaded D-line, his pressure rate in 2022 was only 10% and I fear he’s an athlete who ‘gets by’ rather than someone who is pissed off to be great. That said, his size and athleticism will have coaches believing they can get him going and deliver on his potential.
#10 Philadelphia (v/NO) — Brian Branch (S, Alabama)
A Rolls Royce of a defender who is so versatile and can do a bit of everything. He is going to rise and rise throughout this process.
#11 Tennessee — Michael Mayer (TE, Notre Dame)
This would be a perfect pick for the Titans. Mayer is one of the best prospects in the draft and will be a very good player early in his career.
#12 Houston v/CLE) — Quentin Johnston (WR, TCU)
Mayer would be an ideal fit for the Texans but failing that, Johnston has the physical profile to dominate the combine and go this early.
#13 NY Jets — Darnell Wright (T, Tennessee)
So underrated. He shut down Will Anderson. Enough said.
#14 New England — Christian Gonzalez (CB, Oregon)
He’s such an intelligent player with great physical tools and he could be a really good NFL corner.
#15 Green Bay — Mazi Smith (DT, Michigan)
When he blows up the combine he’ll finally be taken seriously.
#16 Washington — Joey Porter Jr (CB, Penn State)
A highly competitive player with a great personality and maturity.
#17 Pittsburgh — Jordan Addison (WR, USC)
In an attempt to make life easier for Kenny Pickett, why not add a receiver he helped to win the Biletnikoff in 2021?
#18 Detroit — Devon Witherspoon (CB, Illinois)
Hits like a hammer and gives absolutely everything as a competitor in coverage. A very typical Detroit-type pick.
#19 Tampa Bay — Cam Smith (CB, South Carolina)
A long, lean and competitive cornerback. I think teams will really like him.
#20 Seattle — Drew Sanders (LB, Arkansas)
The Seahawks need players in their front seven who can play in attack-mode — players with physical traits who have shown they can impact games. Sanders played most of his snaps at Arkansas as a conventional linebacker but was also used to rush the edge — registering 9.5 sacks. He has excellent size at 6-5 and 230lbs (with room to add more bulk) and he’s a former big-time recruit who initially played for Alabama before transferring. He jumped a 35 inch vertical at SPARQ and ran a 4.31 short shuttle. He is aggressive, hits hard, has an old-school mentality, flies to the ball-carrier and most importantly he plays forwards and attacks. He might end up being a ‘must-have’ for Seattle, given the way they’re talking.
#21 Miami — forfeited
They needed this pick.
#22 LA Chargers — Zay Flowers (WR, Boston College)
Flowers is an incredibly talented player who could go earlier than this. His ability to change direction and accelerate is the best I’ve seen since starting the blog in 2008.
#23 Baltimore — Jalin Hyatt (WR, Tennessee)
He has a sixth gear that allows him to create late separation and it can be deadly on downfield shots.
#24 Minnesota — B.J. Ojulari (EDGE, LSU)
A very athletic, long and lean edge rusher who is comfortable dropping into coverage as a 3-4 OLB.
#25 Jacksonville — Josh Downs (WR, North Carolina)
Reminds me a lot of Tyler Lockett.
#26 NY Giants — Jaxson Smith-Njigba (WR, Ohio State)
JSN’s stock could be impacted by a lost season to injury and question marks about his speed.
#27 Dallas — Peter Skoronski (G, Northwestern)
Skoronski is difficult to assess. He has to kick inside due to a lack of length and he can be out-leveraged due to his short arms. Is he powerful enough? There are things to like though — he’s a natural lineman with reasonable technique and he has NFL bloodlines.
#28 Cincinnati — Dawand Jones (T, Ohio State)
An absolute mountain of a man who has quickly become one of my favourite players in the draft. For his size, his mobility is out of this world. I love him as a prospect.
#29 Denver (v/SF) — Lukas Van Ness (DE, Iowa)
Looks like he could play the lead in a Super Hero movie and has good, powerful reps on tape against the better blockers in this class.
#30 Buffalo — Bryan Bresee (DT, Clemson)
Too many injury and health issues, not enough consistency. Bresee is a great athlete but there are a lot of question marks.
#31 Kansas City — Calijah Kancey (DT, Pittsburgh)
An extremely underrated player and the closest thing to Aaron Donald since 2013. A smart team will not be put off by his lack of size and length and will take a shot on his talent.
#32 Philadelphia — Jahmyr Gibbs (RB, Alabama)
Gibbs warrants consideration here as a major X-factor talent. He’s a tremendous receiver and could be reliably used in the passing game and during two-minute drills. At times he carried Alabama last season and was a threat to score every time he touched the ball. If he doesn’t run in the 4.2’s or 4.3’s it’ll be a surprise.
Second round
#33 Pittsburgh (v/CHI) — JL Skinner (S, Boise State)
The closest thing to Kam since Kam.
#34 Houston — Luke Musgrave (TE, Oregon State)
A brilliant athlete and a complete tight end — teams will love him.
#35 Arizona — Tuli Tuipulotu (DE, USC)
The Cardinals continue to build up their defensive front with a player who may be unorthodox but finished the season with 13.5 sacks.
#36 Indianapolis — Dalton Kincaid (TE, Utah)
He’s just such a dynamic playmaker and I think a team like Houston will view him as a (new) QB’s best friend.
#37 LA Rams — Broderick Jones (G, Georgia)
A player who can step in and help secure LA’s interior offensive line. Needs to sort his technique out.
#38 Seattle — Keion White (DE, Georgia Tech)
An incredible athlete at 290lbs who blew up so many plays in 2022 and could be a star at the Senior Bowl. He carried Kenny McIntosh downfield on a wheel route in coverage at his size which is staggering. He plays with great intensity and physicality and his motor (and conditioning) is on the opposite end of the scale to Jalen Carter’s. It’s enticing to imagine what he could become in time — White legitimately has the upside and potential to become a star. If you want to get impact players with size, disruption and athleticism up front — pairing Carter and White together could set you up for years to come.
#39 Las Vegas — Kelee Ringo (CB, Georgia)
Ringo is a great athlete with amazing size but he gets beat far too often — on both deep routes and shorter inside slants.
#40 Carolina — Rasheed Rice (WR, SMU)
I’m looking forward to seeing how he tests because the tape gets you going.
#41 New Orleans — Chris Smith (S, Georgia)
He had such a good season for the Bulldogs — flying around as a free safety, running up to the line and hitting with a powerful punch. I think someone will fall in love with him.
#42 Tennessee — Luke Wypler (C, Ohio State)
I’ve always thought he was just steady but the Georgia game suggested he might be ‘steady’ even against top opponents and that has some appeal.
#43 Cleveland — Cedric Tillman (WR, Tennessee)
He’s had a few injury issues and now that he’s missing the Senior Bowl it makes me wonder if he might last a bit longer than originally thought.
#44 NY Jets — Trenton Simpson (LB, Clemson)
Simpson did not have a good 2022 season and will rely on good testing numbers to stick in round two.
#45 Atlanta — K.J. Henry (EDGE, Clemson)
Of all Clemson’s D-liners, he was the most disruptive in 2022.
#46 Green Bay — Zach Harrison (DE, Ohio State)
Harrison will go to the combine, put on a show and some teams will throw out the lack of production and inconsistent play and believe they can make him a starter.
#47 New England — Jonathan Mingo (WR, Ole Miss)
He’s such an underrated player with great size, athleticism and soft hands. He can play outside or as a big slot. The Giants double-dip at receiver and add a big target to their offense here.
#48 Washington — Paris Johnson Jr (T, Ohio State)
I’ve always felt underwhelmed watching him.
#49 Detroit — Nolan Smith (LB, Georgia)
An elite athlete and a great character but he’s the definition of a ‘tweener’.
#50 Pittsburgh — John Michael Schmitz (C, Minnesota)
He’s a good player but he is what he is — a big powerful center.
#51 Tampa Bay — O’Cyrus Torrence (G, Florida)
This is a bit early for my liking but Torrence will fit certain schemes and this is one of them (or at least it has been).
#52 Miami — Siaki Ika (DT, Baylor)
On some plays you absolutely love him. On others you think, ‘how is he such a liability vs the run at that size?’
#53 Seattle — Tucker Kraft (TE, South Dakota State)
This is not an immediate need. However, two of Seattle’s tight ends are free agents after the 2023 season and Will Dissly has just picked up another injury. They might invest in someone for the future and there are good TE’s in this draft. Teams are going to love Kraft. He has great size, surprising speed, elusiveness and he has fantastic athletic bloodlines. His blocking is on point and it won’t be a surprise if he goes on to have a very productive NFL career. John Schneider said a year ago they didn’t feel any pressure to reach for need and in this range they might think Kraft is too good to pass up.
#54 Chicago (v/BAL) — Kenny McIntosh (RB, Georgia)
Kirby Smart called McIntosh a bad MF so that’s good enough for me.
#55 LA Chargers — Byron Young (DE, Alabama)
Young is another underrated player who just created so much disruption up front. He can anchor and play the run but he also bursts into the backfield and impacts the pocket.
#56 Detroit (v/MIN) — Steve Avila (G, TCU)
I thought he had a fantastic season and thoroughly deserves to go to a team that loves to kick your arse.
#57 Jacksonville — Isaiah Foskey (EDGE, Notre Dame)
I can’t get that excited about Foskey and his 9.9% pressure rate in 2022 is very ‘meh’.
#58 NY Giants — D.J. Turner (CB, Michigan)
He will test brilliantly at the combine and that’ll give his stock a bump. Doesn’t have great size though.
#59 Dallas — Zach Charbonnet (RB, UCLA)
Ideal size, explosive traits, good in the passing game — Charbonnet is the real deal and would be a good replacement for Zeke Elliott if he moves on.
#60 Cincinnati — Ji’Ayir Brown (S, Penn State)
The vocal and emotional leader at Penn State — Brown is also a great athlete with a knack for interceptions.
#61 Chicago (v/CAR) — Keeanu Benton (DT, Wisconsin)
He can anchor the line but also provide some much needed interior rush.
#62 Buffalo — Anton Harrison (T, Oklahoma)
I was underwhelmed watching him but plenty of people have him graded higher than I do. He plays a premium position I guess.
#63 Kansas City — Andre Carter (EDGE, Army)
He has such enticing length, size and agility but he needs technical work and some patience to reach his maximum potential. That could keep him on the board into this range.
#64 Philadelphia — Will McDonald (EDGE, Iowa State)
He’s a praying mantis with his length and athleticism but he had a poor 2022 season and he needs work. If it clicks into place, he can be really good.
Seattle’s picks
Jalen Carter (DT, Georgia)
Drew Sanders (LB, Arkansas)
Keion White (DE, Georgia Tech)
Tucker Kraft (TE, South Dakota State)
Thoughts on the Seahawks’ picks
Personally it would be frustrating to come out of the Russell Wilson trade without a big investment in the future at the quarterback position and I’m not convinced Geno Smith will ever be able to take this team to the promise land. However, with Stroud, Levis and Richardson off the board your hand might be forced, although I do really like Bryce Young as well.
There’s a serious risk/reward factor with Jalen Carter. People assumed Todd McShay’s report over character concerns implied that Carter was a bad person. I don’t think it’s that. It’s more a case of effort, attitude, commitment. He was telling the media last April his priority was improving conditioning so he could increase his snap percentage. Yet in the biggest games of his season, he looked absolutely exhausted. Embarrassingly so, he admitted. If he isn’t getting in shape when there’s millions on the line — despite stating it was his key focus last year — teams will be wary about how motivated he’ll to improve that situation with a big fat guaranteed contract.
Schneider mentioned in his interview yesterday that they spend considerable time now assessing how a player speaks — even citing press conference interviews online (which was reassuring given it’s something we’ve done for a while to try and get intel on who a player is). This is an area where Carter does not excel.
For more on this, watch this video.
If you’re going to draft Carter your staff are going to need a game-plan to get the best out of him and get him working on his stamina. You are also going to need tone-setters in the position group. You don’t want to draft Carter and have him be the big man on campus. You want seasoned vets pushing him. You need to create an environment where he won’t want to let his guys down. That’s a key reason why I would consider trading for or signing someone like Da’Ron Payne. He’s been a presence at Alabama and Washington and along with Al Woods and potentially Shelby Harris, you have a leadership core in place.
A defensive front three of Woods, Payne and Carter would be impactful and can be a factor in games — just as Carroll wants.
Put Drew Sanders at linebacker with his 6-5 and 230lbs frame (with the potential to get up to 240lbs) and let him fly to the ball carrier. He is an attack-minded, move-forwards player with legit speed and agility. He can hit with impact, he can be a playmaker and on key downs he can rush the edge.
Keion White has the outstanding athleticism, size and motor to get into the mix too. You would, in one off-season, create a very exciting looking defensive front. With this much potential disruption from the interior and with Sanders at linebacker, it can only help the likes of Uchenna Nwosu, Darrell Taylor and Boye Mafe working the edge.
Is it too much focus on defense? Listen to Carroll speak. Watch the defense play. This unit needs serious investment. These moves at least create a plan where you can imagine the front seven becoming a much greater factor in games. Why not go all-in to improve the unit if the top quarterbacks are out of reach?
I wanted one of the two second round picks to be similar to the Ken Walker pick a year ago. An offensive player who isn’t a desperate need but is too good to pass-up. Schneider specifically talked about not reaching for need. I was torn between the running back, receiver and tight end for this selection but there’s enough depth at receiver and running back to wait until rounds 3-5. Tucker Kraft is flying under the radar and is as good as any of the TE’s in this class not named Michael Mayer. I can well imagine him being drafted with 2024 in mind — when you might’ve lost or moved on from pending free agents Noah Fant, Colby Parkinson and potentially Will Dissly.
I think a mock like this shows why nobody should be uncomfortable taking a quarterback at #5. You could still add defensive players like Sanders, White then another such as Andre Carter. If you were able to sign someone like Da’Ron Payne as well, that’d be a decent haul.
Fans might question the lack of interior offensive linemen included in the mock but I’ll highlight again that the Rams have a way of doing things on the O-line. Seattle is copying their scheme. They’ve taken college tackles and kicked them inside to guard and they’ve used a certain type of cost-effective center. I’m not convinced there’ll be a big splash on the O-line this year but we’ll see.
It’s worth noting blog favourite Sedrick Van Pran opted to return to Georgia for the 2023 season. He would’ve been a top-40 pick.
It might be that the Seahawks look later in the draft for O-line options. Jim Nagy suggested there will be some good players at the Senior Bowl to monitor, including Old Dominion’s Nick Saldiveri — who sounds just like the kind of tackle convert the Rams love to kick inside to guard.
Anyway — let me know your thoughts in the comments section.
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Rob, do you see anyone in rounds 3-5 that fall into the Abe Lucas/Tariq Woolen potential steal category? Going into last years senior bowl it was fun knowing who to watch out for in that range. Makes the draft process so much more exciting than just day 1 and 2.
Appreciate your passion for the hawks and your superb analysis!
Rob, I wish you could have been at my draft party when the Seahawks came up in the 3rd round and I confidently said, “It will be Abe Lucas.” The looks of amazement a minute later were awesome. I told them all about TEF and your blog.
So, yes. You need to help us identify this year’s Abe Lucas 🙂
You can always check out his last bigboard. Quite a few Center/Guard prospects available if the draft fell this way.
Not Rob, but I submit that Ricky Stromberg C Arkansas could be this year’s Abe Lucas.
+1 on Stromberg
Love pick 20 Rob, for his value in this class definitely wouldn’t be reflected on as a reach.
Been curious about Darnell Washington and his 6’7 presence along Park and Diss. If he could pop a 4.7 and run a decent shuttle.
I really like him in his 3-7 yard flats, in line, redzone looks
Sanders is the one player I really want…
Sanders and White for me.
I think that the top 5 projection is, at this point in time, highly realistic.
If we want a QB at 5, it will most likely be Young.
If we want a “stud” defender, it will most likely be Carter.
I don’t love either of those options.
No Young for me at #5
Give me whoever is left of the top 4 QBs
Draft Young then get DK to give him some vitamins
Wilson (DE) may be there at 5.
Richardson (QB) may be there at 5. Levis has a chance to fall to 5.
It’s early days still. The combine and free agency are ahead of us, and things might look different by draft time (obviously).
This mock proves that whether we end up with a QB at 5 or not, we can still address the defensive line. And that’s without free agency. I really hope Sanders can be a difference maker. He has the tools for it for sure. Keion White getting drafted here would have a similar feeling of joy when we drafted Boye Mafe here last year.
The Tucker Kraft pick is interesting. TE is not necessarily a need, but with the DL in this mock draft already addressed I guess going in BPA is the right choice. It also shows how talented this TE class is. I feel like Kraft would’ve been valued as TE1 in last year’s draft. I would’ve preferred maybe someone like Jordan McFadden at the second 2nd round pick.
Hope Carter can get a fire lit under his ass. Wouldn’t surprise me in the least if White ends up better than him. Big, long, freaky athlete. Played for old dominion as a chunky TE then regular sized DE and finally transferred and looks like a grown ass man getting off the bus type.
The thing with Carter is that it’s rare for a lazy person to get motivated especially for any length of time.
Most players will try hard to become a top draft pick. We all saw Carter sucking gas vs. Ohio State (when he was supposedly ‘motivated’ to be a top 10 pick dating back a year earlier).
At least Albert Hayneworth tried until he reach free agency before he quit to become Haynesworthless. If Albert Haynesworth demonstrated a much better work ethic than someone – that’s scary.
I think Steve Hutchinson broke him.
It seems to me that part of being a BAMF, is desire.
Lazy, and unmotivated does not scream BAMF.
Leopards don’t often shed their spots. Motivation and mental makeup are pretty irreplaceable.
After some of their 1-st round picks that have busted due to similar issues, I’d be hesitant to take that chance. I’d rather see a Mazi Smith/Kancey/KJ Henry combo personally.
Rob, how are you feeling about moving up to take one of the top QB prospects? I think JS should really consider moving up to ensure they can land one of Stroud, Levis or Richardson. Not getting a QB replacement out of the RW trade should be seen as huge fail.
Depends on the price
If I were the hawks, I would try an swing a trade with AZ to move back up to 3 to ensure I get one of those QBs. That way AZ still gets Carter or Anderson at 5. Dunno, what you think would be a reasonable offer, but I think they should strongly consider doing it.
Doubt AZ trades with a division rival for a qb for anything less than a cartoon haul.
Maybe consider moving up to #1 if thats the case with the Bears?
I’m honestly not opposed to it for a shot at a great qb.
So much better than YouTube mockers that I hesitate to even compare them. I would not be opposed to this at all. The TE selection makes sense. I could lean rb there if Charbonnett is on the board still. Where do you think Rodriguez will fall? Watching Levis tape, he stood out to me as a Pete Carroll hard nose type runner.
Personally I don’t think Rodriguez falls per se.
He’s not been mocked much higher than 3rd or 4th round and in this mock there’s room for him.
I’m excited about picking up RBs in later rounds. In addition to Rodriguez there are a couple backs with attractive speed and size numbers: Zach Evans and Eric Gray. It’ll be interesting to see if Seattle can pick up a good back in the 4th round or later.
I thought Isiah Pacheco stood out in the Underwear Olympics last year and sure enough, he turned out OK. I think Seattle can vastly improve the RB situation this year.
I’m interested in hearing Rob’s take on Kendre Miller, if he does. He looks like a mid to late round option. Great tape on him.
I rather have Kenny Mac
Charbonnnet is a great shout.
Before the needs seemed glaring for this team and maybe that’s harsh, I don’t know, I was big on Charbonet.
Now I’m big on McIntosh and Charbonet but think both go in the second.
But I’m looking at third round and beyond at this point.
Love it, except as you mentioned, C. I am so sick of being bad at C, but your point on the team not seeing it that way is spot on. Carroll seemed to go out of his way to praise Blythe, who to me was overmatched regularly and pushed into the backfield. Mike Duggar said on his pod Blythe will only return to play another season if it is in Seattle.
Really enjoy your insights on Kraft and impending free agents.
Not sure if parkinson becomes much more than he is but would love to see Fant and another TE to build moving forward.
Also love to see your accuracy on the weird schools.
Wagner, Wentz, allen, Christian Watson…hope the trend continues.
Love it Rob, I would love a strong, emphatic commitment to making the front 7 better. I would only regret not getting one of the top qbs, but if carter reaches his potential that would sting a bit less
Fantastic work Rob! have been refreshing all day waiting for this mock and you delivered! The NFL is such an offensive driven game these days – going all in on defense scares me. Getting Levis, Robinson, Mayer, Hyatt, Avilia ect. and going all in on offense sounds more appealing. However, as Rob wisely points out that is not consistent with the words and messaging coming out of the top Hawks brass. Your the best Rob – get some sleep!
Hey Rob, just noticed you only have 3 LBs going in the first 2 rounds, is this indicative of a dearth of talent? It sure would be sweet to grab the first/best one available like here in this mock but curious if there is more/better depth later on
Yes it’s a poor LB class
Rob, I’m with you on the Schneider read. He is salivating over a chance to duplicate last year’s draft model. After seeing his body language and a few choice words he was speaking as he headed for the tunnel in Levi’s Stadium, the man is on a mission.
They were so patient last year, allowing the draft to come to them, trusting their own big board and sniped a great talent in K9. There is really no reason (short of some team offering them an incredible haul) they would trade out of #5. As you’ve stated plenty of times already, you may never get the opportunity to pick at #5 again. At least, not under their tenure. Trading back for more picks sounds nice, but you just don’t get the same odds of landing a true blue chip prospect like you would at 5.
Im really looking forward to your modified mocks in the coming weeks. You are the best.
I just watched your review of Jeremiah’s mock.
If everyone drank after you say “Eighth overall?”, then everyone would be drunk.
I loved it.
It’s going to be interesting to see the QB carousel during the early days of free agency. Maybe it’s the Colts who get Carr. That could set things up much differently. Getting a QB on the wrong side of 30 would be a Colts like move (though you’d think they’d give anything to quit going that route). But he’s going to probably be starting for someone in ’23. So many teams and GMs are too dumb to think long-term so I can see band-aids being applied at QB so GMs can keep jobs rather than actually drafting for what they should be doing. And most owners are too dumb/impatient to do things properly.
Carr going to Indy would be very good for us. I pray it happens, but am thinking Washington or NYJ may be where he ends up.
If re-signing Geno doesn’t preclude drafting a QB, then why would anyone else in the top 5 hesitate to do the same?
Does the geno smith talk seem like the clowney talk a couple years ago. Media/player thought he should get 25/year but ended up with a much lower contract.
It does kind of have the same ring to it, doesn’t it? The media talk plus the PC/JS words on the subject.
The last few days have been funny, silly and wild.
People staking out positions on the subject like it was the Oklahoma Land Rush.
Wasn’t familiar with Tucker Craft. After watching his highlights he looks incredibly fluid and smooth for a man that size.
From an interview with Keion White:
“JM: What are you looking to prove to NFL general managers, coaching staffs, and scouts in attendance in Mobile?
Keion White: I want to personally prove that I can play all over the defensive line. I can play the 2i to the 9-technique. I’m also excited to prove that I belong alongside the best players in the nation. That’s what I’m looking to prove. I want to prove that I’m a good football player (laughs). I’m 100% healthy and I can do everything.”
https://thedraftnetwork.com/senior-bowl-2023-keion-white-interview/
Jalen Carter’s lack of effort/conditioning in his two most important games scares me. He really should have been more of a factor. I’m starting to think trade down to snag three DLiners instead:
Bryan Bresee, Clemson DT/DE, PFF Grade 72.3 (early 1st round)
Siaki Ika, Baylor NT, PFF Grade 74.5 (early 2nd round)
Calijah Kancy, Pittsburgh DE, PFF Grade 91.8 (Day2)
Can still keep Shelby Harris and Al Woods as rotational vets. Also, late 1st can still be used for LB, late 2nd for interior OLine pick.
This was my thought as well. If we miss out on the QBs we want, why chance it with Carter when we could probably trade out of 5 for whoever wants the #4 QB and amass a few more picks to improve other areas of the team. Don’t trade too far down, but pick up a late first or early 2nd in addition to the 10ish overall and grab Kancey or even Tuli.
Also probably grab Latu from UCLA on day 3.
We shouldn’t glorify trading down either
This is a top heavy class
Your posts have us wary of Carter. You’ve got me more excited about the guys in the 20-50 range than 6 to 15.
Sure but I’ve had to write a lot about Carter. If I poured the same amount of detail into those later players you might feel differently. And it would start with the fact Carter is on a different talent level altogether.
I like this mock. I hope we don’t draft another edge rusher. We have enough talent there. If we can get enough pressure up the middle, where QB’s can’t step up in the pocket, I think Taylor, Mafe, Nwosu, sack numbers will go up. Don’t forget we have Tyree Smith and Darryl Johnson on IR.
Defensive Tackles in free agency and the draft!!!!
Yes I agree with this. And I think Rob’s comments on getting a veteran DT to come in as well is excellent thinking.
“We have enough talent there.” I almost did a spit take, we must be watching VERY different games!
I would do that trade with Carolina every fucking day
While it’s interesting to consider a draft such as this, many fans, myself included would consider it a failure. When are they going to have a better opportunity than now to draft a potential franchise QB. They have to come out of the RW trade with a QB.
They most likely would have to trade up to #1 and win a bidding war, but I would be all for it. I think Schneider is smart enough to realize Geno isn’t the future and may have already planned to draft a QB in this draft class anyway. They have the draft capital to make it happen. It makes sense.
You build a team around a QB, you build a defense around a defensive lineman.
I just hope Schneider doesn’t **** this up.
Considering how much help we need at defense, the cost of moving up just seems like it’s too much of a risk. I look at Trey Lance and similar trades and almost always think those trading down win.
The draft makes sense for focusing on D. If we operate on the assumption that we don’t draft for need, but we go for talent, would it make sense to go for Wilson than for Carter? It’s not like we wouldn’t need help there at all (the mock gives us Keion White later anyways), so why not draft a Tariq Woolen type of guy there, with great physical skills for the position? And I would prefer Kenny McIntosh to a TE.
Interesting stuff. I can’t wait to see how Carter fares at the combine. Tyree Wilson is a guy I definitely wouldn’t mind SEA landing (not at #5 but with a slight trade down).
For comparison purposes, here’s Daniel Jeremiah’s mock:
https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-ravens-among-four-teams-selecting?campaign=Twitter_nfl_cfb
FWIW he’s got Tyree Wilson at #5 for SEA (they pass on Stroud who goes #9) then Will McDonald, Edge from Iowa St. at #20.
My bad everyone. I didn’t realize the article prior to this one touched on Jeremiah’s mock.
Drew Sanders YouTube vids are fun to watch. Any play comps come to mind?
It would be extremely disappointing if they came out of having the 5th pick without a QB. With Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Herbert all in the AFC, the NFC would be wide open for a team that ends up with a star QB.
Rob, thanks for all the fine work. I’m a hard NO on Carter because he has not put in the work, nor, I believe. will he ever.
This year presents a seldom seen opportunity. When will we be back as high as five? Because I believe Geno will embody the term “Revert to the norm” and so we will need quality quarterbacking
going forward. I don’t think we can go away from that high of a pick without one of the top QB’s.
I would go All in, trade with Arizona, trade with Chicago. Next year’s one, whatever, but I would come away with Levis, Stroud or Richardson. Personally, I think Anthony Richardson is the prize, not the consolation prize. Though I also like Levis a lot.
Can’t give up the 20 because Sanders is too big a need. Mazi Smith or White with high 2nd.
Give up next year’s first when it could be top 10? When was the last time we gave up a 1st round pick in a trade that everyone ended up happy with it?
You had us picking Tucker Kraft at #53 and Detroit picking Steve Avila at #56, but if we pick Jalen Carter at #5 wouldn’t we want the guy who stood up Jalen Carter on TCU’s only touchdown run in the first quarter?
Ourlads has him listed as a left guard, but he played right guard in the championship game. But, on TCU’s website he was once listed as a center. It will be interesting where they play him at the senior bowl. I know Alan Ali was their star center, but if Avila can play three interior line positions that could be enticing.
My favorite pick is Sanders. Just see some Micah Parsons in him. Scared to death of Carter and really hope the Cardinals love him. Keion White reminds me a little of Josh Paschal a little with more pass rush upside.
Oh my word! Just watched Zay Jones highlights. Can we get those three defensive players and him please!!!
I meant Zay Flowers.
First of all, I am in the QB camp. I really hope that we get one of those three. If w go defense, and Will Anderson is gone, I feel like Tyree Wilson is more likely to be the type of player that JS/PC fall in love with vs a player that has a number of Seahawk red flags.
I am not too happy to see mock drafts that don’t have 75-1 Anthony Richardson or 15-1 Will Levis as the first overall selection.
I hope that all 4 QBs go to the combine and do all of the testing and drills. It should be very interesting to watch.
I would be shocked if Anthony Richardson didn’t run. He has absolutely nothing to lose.
Rob, If Drew sanders is gone, what do you think of Jack Campbell from Iowa later on ?
Too big and lumbering
Defense,defense,defense wins Championships! A center,tight end,and receiver in later rounds. I like this 3.0 mock, if it turns out those first three picks come to be ours, I’m ecstatic. Don’t stretch for a QB. Go Seahawks!
To play a little devil’s advocate, San Francisco and their defense aren’t going anywhere. So to win that championship anytime soon, you’re going to need an offense that can handle them.
An argument could be made that the recipe for success over the next handful of years is to build a league-leading offensive line, draft a difference making QB and continue to find x-factors on offense. Then, just try to build the defense into a bang average group. Essentially, the KC approach.
I would argue that we are closer to being able to field an elite offense than we are to building an elite defense. I think you can win a championship as long as you are elite on one side of the ball and average on the other.
I liked how Schneider on 710 said they will draft BPA. That is the right approach. In the past they drafted for need and reached on players (Collier, Ethan Pocic)
If the BPA in the top 3 Seahawks picks are Offense, I’m good with that too. If Bijan Robinson was available and he is the BPA, you draft him.
The approach should be to accumulate lots of young talented players on rookie deals. Doesn’t matter if it’s on offense or defense. Then sign FA to fill the needs on the team.
Once you have a positional group that is a strength, you can trade one of them to fill needs as well.
I truly hope to see that continue.
Some of the current top defensive players at this point feel like names pundits won’t back off from.
A lot of free agency happens before the draft, so difficult to do. I always remember JS filling out the roster with starter-level players (this is up for debate of course) before the draft, ensuring they could draft for the future or BPA. We generally aren’t drafting to fill a hole in the roster, Pete’s always compete wants rookies to beat out assumed starters like Bryant over Coleman, Woolen over Brown, etc.
Of course the exception to this seemed to be the offensive tackles last season.
The other aspect of BPA that I like…if the picks work out and those players ball out on rookie deals and then need big paydays, you can either sign them. Or trade them for more picks later on. Almost an investment in a sense. At the very least they get signed elsewhere for top dollar and you get comp picks
Exactly right.
Perhaps it’s time to reimagine seahawks ball as a high powered offense.
The only worry I see is they would have to take the interior line seriously, look to a third reciever, and find another RB. Not impossible but not easy.
It does seem like the team is closer to that model than the other way.
Cysco 100%
This offense is close to being a force. A force on offense keeps the defense off the field. For me it’s QB then BPA for Oline, WR, RB.
Grab some later round 325 lbs Nose tackles for the D and maybe a trade/FA and call it good.
I don’t disagree.
Really. But this defense is pretty far away from a one year fix.
You are right about the defense being far away.
I think the big problem with the defense is coaching. Why are there so many missed tackles? Players missed their assignments. Don’t know if they are in zone or man. How come players can’t set the edge and they let the rb run outside for large gains. Some can be attributed to being rookies, but it’s the coaching.
If the defense played with good fundamentals this year but you can tell they are overmatched, I’m ok with that. That can be fixed by drafting, signing defensive talents.
Total quandary for sure. Talent rules.
Your last paragraph is spot on. We can get all the talent we can handle but if we can’t tackle and guys are out of position play after play or we simply aren’t going to give reps to young guys just simply to pin their ears back and go, the very basics, it might be a tough slog watching this defense for a long time.
Well, if you like defense, then you’re gonna love this PFF mock I just did. (Totally unrealistic.)
Traded back twice to #9. Picked up two seconds and a third.
#9. Tyree Wilson.
#20. Michael Mayer.
#37. Calijah Kancey
#38. Drew Sanders
#39. Mazi Smith
#51. JL Skinner
#60. Tuli Tuipulotu
That would be a draft that would make grown men weep…and that’s only through the 2nd round.
Kancey = short
Which sucks but until Seattle budges I don’t see them taking him. Wish they would.
I don’t see his height being a huge issue for them. It’s not exactly the same since he was an undrafted free agent, but Poona Ford is only 5’11. I think they focus more on arm length and testing. If Kancey tests as well as expected (reportedly can run a sub-4.7 40 and 31″+ vert at 280 lbs, which is very similar to Aaron Donald’s numbers) I don’t know that any team will pass on him solely because of his height.
If Detroit landed those first 3 picks the NFC had better watch out.
Great job of Rob presenting us many possible scenarios, every mock presents a bit different strategy, based on what wind is blowing from the team and the league.
I personally would be shell shocked if this happens.
If Bullard takes Richardson at 4th overall, and we are only left with Carter/Bryce Young, would probably make me puke.
I think that Schneider could not believe that Indy jumped in from of us on the last game of the season, and it gives him headaches. But he has to win this battle. I don’t know how, but he has to sniff what Bullard is gonna do at 4th, hire a spy if that’s necessary. If Indy’s plan is detrimental to SEA plans, we have to leap over them.
Let the offseason begin!
Took a week off and no knee deep in NFL draft mode. My wife loves it!(not).
With the same logic behind TE end pick, I see Kenny Mcintosh would be available. With Penny injured and Homer a FA, I like the possibilty of that particular 1-2 punch.
I know it’s a defensive minded draft but it will be interesting to see what Schneider does if Bryce Young is available at 5. Not his QB cup of tea, but will not be easy to balk at that.
Any thoughts on Jarren Hall? is he a 3-5th rounder? Could the Seahawks see enough value in him at that range to scoop him up?
EB
I was trying to have an open mind about Tyree Wilson….
Just watched Texas tech vs. NC state. Is there something I’m not getting?
He does get a cool arm sack because his massive wingspan. But play after play I see him stood up by either the RT or the LT.
I saw very few double teams.
And most worrying. I saw a guy with almost zero moves. It was just go straight ahead. I didn’t see any bend just him running around a corner. I didn’t see him fight off blockers. And yes I am being critical but I saw a lot of running after the play broke with very little urgency.
When I watch his highlights I get it. But this is the second game I’ve watched and I’m not seeing a factor for a top ten pick.
I don’t know. When other podcasts call him a “beast,” I kind of want to see that. When the same pod says we should get him to play lighter as an OLB fine but he looks slower than the three guys we have already.
I saw the same thing. I am obviously not a pro scout but there is nothing to me that jumps off the videos that are out there. Completely opposite than Sanders in the LB and DE position.
I feel this way about nearly every dline prospect this year besides Anderson. And even he has had a few duds.
Sure would be fun to see the Seahawks’ board going into the draft. Would love to know how they rank the QBs.
Honestly, Rob, I don’t like the outcome. Not your work, which I think is excellent, I just want to come out of picking this high and trading Russ with a difference making QB for the future.
I think the key to our draft is:
1) Indy trades up to #1. I think they will outbid Carolina, I think Chicago wants pick #4 to get one of the top 2 defenders and I think Indy will want Levis. I believe this will happen.
2) Someone in the top four picks Bryce Young. This is very possible, but less likely.
Here’s what I think will happen:
1) Indy takes Levis
2) Houston takes Stroud
3) Arizona takes Anderson/Carter
4) Chicago takes Anderson/Carter
5) Seahawks take Richardson
I think there’s a risk that Carolina comes up to #3 with Arizona or to #4 with another Bears trade down (and they take Richardson).
If the Hawks need to trade up, to get their QB, it may have to be to #1 overall to find a trade partner (as Houston, Arizona and Indy aren’t going to trade with us). Chicago at #4 in the situation above is another option to beat Carolina’s offer and assure Chicago gets the second best defender. But, that’s open to Chicago bluffing that they’ll trade out to Carolina when they may be happy staying put and drafting the second best defender).
Here’s hoping that Chicago trades #1 to Indy and Bryce Young goes to the Texans.
We disagree at times.
But short of a trade that nets them a future first if they don’t get a QOTF from tge russ trade and think that Geno is going to be QOTF for at least the next three years I’m going to be a bit crestfallen.
Right there with you.
I’m optimistic they roll the dice on Richardson, too.
The Seahawks don’t have a coach or GM on the hot seat, so they don’t need a plug and play QB. They can let him develop. Most of the other GMs need instant talent infusion. That #5 pick is a luxury item for Seattle. It’s something they can utilize as a massive investment for a decades worth of return, if it pans out.
Roll the dice and let Schneider work his magic with the rest of the picks and a possible trade. Work the cap numbers and build something truly special around a future QB.
I’m curious why HOU won’t want to trade down to #5. They still get an elite player, maybe even who they are targeting, and pick up another 2024 first for dropping 3 slots.
Hard pass on Carter at 5.
You can hear JS first words to him on the phone after he’s picked “remember what we talked about”.
If what they talked about is getting him a peloton subscription so he can stay on the field for 66% of the snaps.
Maybe I’m the only one, but I would be ecstatic if we got Bryce Young at #5. I also think he’s the most likely of the top 4 QB’s to be there, as Levis and Richardson are probably going to look incredible during the Combine and pro-days, and he will look… small. I certainly get the worries about his size, but it’s hard to predict injuries in the NFL these days. I mean look at Andrew Luck. Dude was built like a tank, but retired in his 20’s largely due to all of his injuries. So even guys like Will Levis And Anthony Richardson could potentially be injury prone at the next level. This year we’ve seen pretty much all of the prototypical or big name dual threat quarterbacks get hurt and miss time. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Trey Lance, Kyler Murray and Justin Fields all missed time due to injury. And while he didn’t miss time, Josh Allen got injured and we saw his play dip for a while afterwards. We’ve also seen guys like Drew Brees and Russell Wilson (until recently) reliably avoid injury. So play style might be more of an indicator on whether or not a QB is going to be injury prone, as opposed to size.
Any way, is Bryce Young QB1 for me in regards to the Seahawks? No probably not. I think Levis is a better fit and I love how quickly he gets rid of the ball. Stroud is #2. Just love everything about that guy, and it’s hard for me to imagine him not being really good in the NFL. But I look at games like Alabama vs Georgia in 2021 or the comeback 4OT shootout win vs Auburn, and say “that is some next level s**t from Bryce Young.” Oh and last thing, love the blog Rob! Keep it up!!! I’ve been reading your articles for something like 8 or 9 years, but this is my first comment post!
You mentioned every QB except the one Young reminds me of the most: Tua Tagovailoa
And that guy is one big hit away from missing the rest of whichever season is the current one.
No thanks to Young
Tua has had bad luck with concussion injuries this year.
I think if you build a solid online for Bryce Young, he will succeed.
I just think if Seahawks draft Bryce Young #5, they need to draft interior Oline or sign someone in FA.
I rather have Bryce Young over Geno. I don’t believe in Geno winning a Super Bowl. Geno comes up short in the 4th Q many times the past two years.
Again, it’s totally fair to have concerns over his size and the possibility of him being injury prone because of that. But you could just as easily draft Anthony Richardson and see him snap his ankle in week two like Trey Lance, or watch Will Levis have the career arc of Carson Wentz. The point is that trying to predict a players chance of injury based on anything but previous injuries is a losing game.
true, some qbs are just more prone to injuries.
Jimmy G gets hurt every year and he is not a small qb. Deshaun Watson tore his acl in practice.
I think if you are a small qb you just have to play smart. Like Russ back in the day.
I’m super concerned about Young’s size and ordinarily a measurables snob but I’m coming around on this view and I think Young is a bit unfairly dismissed here.
You can pretty easily envision the story for why he doesn’t work in the NFL. But you can pretty easily envision that story for the other three guys too. They all have dings in their profile; they all represent risk as well as reward that can be unlocked with luck and work and savvy coaching.
Jim Zorn was 200 and Dave Krieg was 193. In addition to that other fella, old what’s his name. Maybe it’s our destiny to embrace and uplift the little guys.
Richardson to Indy seems like a disaster waiting to happen. AR needs to sit for a year or two and learn. Who would he be sitting behind for Indy? I can see the Colts moving up to get a player that is potentially a starter out of the gate.
You’re not wrong. I think Levis is the fit there. But Irsay has become weirder and weirder as time goes on.
Which is why I think they would move up. Ballard also said they would do anything to get a player they want.
Hey Rob,
If we were to trade down to around the 7-9 range would Brian Branch come into play to be a reasonable pick in your opinion (assuming Diggs is cut)? The idea being trade 51st to Colts for Deforest Buckner but gain the draft capital back and more with the trade down.
I think the wildcard pick at the top of the draft is going to be Tyree Wilson. We all remember watching the Cowboy’s David Irving’s game against the Buccaneers where his length was such a dominant factor. He took over the game. I had never seen that before….how a person’s length was such a factor as a pass rusher. The OL couldn’t get their hands on him. Also have seen Chandler Jones & Chris Jones use their length to dominate games from time to time. Rob is right. Everyone needs to see his testing #’s. If his power, speed, and quits are right, I think he’s the first defender off the board.
I would suspect he will have very good testing numbers. Not eye popping. UT very good.
I still think Will Anderson is the first defender off the board. Robbie reminded me in a podcast a few games back but he was essentially the consensus first overall pick a year ago.
His production went down. But I have never heard a bad word about the player, his character, or anything.
I just think Chicago or AZ are going to fall in love with him.
Matt-
I listened to that other pod. And now I am dumber and angrier for having done so….so thanks for nothing. 😀
You didn’t learn a bunch from the “Roster Construction Expert?”
Guy hasn’t even put together a little league lineup…
So many permutations in the top 5 alone, considering teams trading up, trying to leapfrog one another. If Young is still available at #5, there might be several teams wanting that pick: Las Vegas, New Orleans, Washington, Tampa Bay. If Seattle’s not in love with Young, nor with Carter, I imagine they’ll be picking up the phone to hear what’s be offered.
I really like this mock and its focus on the defense. Love love Keion White and Drew Sanders. What a front 7 pair to get!
But I’m on the no thanks to Jalen Carter wagon. All this talk about how “character concerns” don’t mean he’s a bad guy…ok he’s not a bad guy. But he is a bad teammate, a selfish one. He does what’s comfortable for him, not what’s best for his team.
And I’ve seen enough selfish Seahawks to last me a while.
If the board falls this way and there is none of Levis, Richardson or Stroud, I hope Schneider can find a willing trade partner and pick up some more picks.
Although this draft is lacking in elite prospects, it is absolutely brimming with top tier ones. Deepest EDGE class in years. Ditto TE. Excellent WR and RB groups. If there isn’t a prospect worthy of being taken at 5, then I hope we move down and stock up.
I agree, especially if Young is still there at 5. Someone will want him so get a good offer and go!
It’s easy to say, harder to actualize. As I look at the draft order, there are only 2 teams even remotely likely to trade up for Young — Carolina (FWIW I think Indy is the most likely trade partner for Chicago) and Tampa Bay.
Washington probably would want to, but they don’t have the draft capital, not unless they’re willing to give up next year’s 1st and Seattle’s willing to wait on their return from the trade until 2024 (no thanks if you’re asking me).
Maybe if Houston were to go defense at 2, they might like Young enough to give us 12 + 33 or 12 + 65 + 73.
I’d take either deal and draft Mazi Smith at 12.
Other than that though, it’s hard to see where the trade would come from.
Er, I meant 34. Forgot every pick after 20 is still technically the pick it was before Miami forfeited 21, which has the effect of reducing every pick thereafter by one
Blitzy sez study maths
Rob wrote, “I have Carolina trading from #9 in a deal with Chicago for the #1 pick. In return the Bears get the 61st overall pick plus the Panthers’ first round picks in 2024 and 2025.”
Doesn’t this take them out of the Sean Payton sweepstakes, since they will have to give up at least a 1st round pick? The NFL network just said they are meeting.
You are right. We should root for Carolina to land Sean Payton over Denver.
Rumor is if they get Payton, maybe try to get Brady as well. That will be one less team moving up for a Qb.
Indy is the best bet to move up.
But I have a feeling the Bears might draft a qb #1. Fields was drafted by the previous regime. They might see Levis or Stroud having a better upside then Fields.
Doesn’t NO need a QB just as bad as Carolina? Not sure moving that pick makes a dent in QB demand.
New Orleans is a train wreck into a dumpster fire. OTC just updated their numbers on 1/16 and they are dead last in the league in cap space.
They are $58 Million OVER the cap.
We don’t care about Denver anymore, right? They can be good, they can suck…but neither will affect our drafts going forward…
I don’t think we can truly get a handle on the trade comp for Payton.
Who would you cut to clear $58 Million in cap space, plus $10 Million for the rookie class, plus $10 Million for contingencies?
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/new-orleans-saints
Looking at Jameis Winston’s cap number, I would have done that yesterday.
Honestly, there’s too much gobbledygook there for me to care or spend time on it.
OTC did a writeup in the fall if you want to dive in.
https://overthecap.com/looking-ahead-to-the-saints-2023-salary-cap
I can tell you this, somebody is going to get a Calais Campbell-like steal picking over the carcass of the Saints’ roster this offseason or in the fall.
Rob – don’t Oregon LB Sewel in this mock – it seems like his stock has dropped dramatically thru the year?
Since the Seahawks want a better pass rush, I would question why they would pick at #5 a non-performing Carter (did he even play in the BCS games? I sure didn’t notice him) rather than the best defensive end they can find.
I think it more likely the Seahawks first DT will be Ika or Pickens in the second round.
If Ika tests well at the combine, he isn’t getting out of the first. GMs will get Vita Vea vibes.
Call it triple-V syndrome.
Really like this Rob but for me at 5, i would absolutely pass on Carter (LAZY) and Bryce Young (SIZE).
We MUST come away with one of the top 3 QB’s, AND in free agency only go after younger players that fill specific needs, see the Jags as a model for free agency success.
PC is here to stay. Paying a kicker $5M is the wrong way to manage your budget & build your roster. That is unless the decision maker is in full win now mode, ie PC.
Rob has changed my mindset to the point that
I want to get rid of PCJS and clean house entirely.
I have totally lost faith in PC and JS ability as a competant GM, free agent signings, vast over pays, horrible trades and overall roster building success.
The Cody Barton resigning with overpay is coming. Oh how i would love to be wrong.
Myers’ cap hit in 2023 is $3million.
That’s not the problem in the least.
Myers field goal percentage has been:
2022 92%
2021 74%
2020 100%
2019 92%
I think that is worth paying for, and in the big picture that is still chump change compared to other great players making 20 million/year.
Right facts please. Not 5 M for a kicker. BUt pay for one that gives you confidence at field goal time. Dallas forgot about this phase maybe?
Great work, Rob. While I’m not a fan of the #5 pick, I love the conversation and looking at all the possibilities. I’m just so anxious to see the first domino fall…the fate of Geno. If he signs a big money contract with the Hawks, that sends free agency and the draft in one direction. If he moves on to another team, that changes everything. If it’s a reasonable contract with an easy out after a year or two, the possibilities are endless. It’s gonna be an exciting off season, even if I don’t agree with the ultimate result.
Thoughts on LB Owen Pappoe? He’s probably too light to serve as a MLB, but he could be a Will and offer coverage and leadership to go with ridiculous 4.32 speed.
I’m sure the staff had a plan for Malik too. Absolutely would be really bummed if they took Carter. He has McD 2.0 written all over him. Lazy is as lazy does. You’ve got to get the QBOTF John.
Yep, right there with ya. He may end up a stud – I’ll let someone else take that chance.
Just curious, what makes Nolan Smith such a tweener? Isn’t he the similar size as Micah Parsons? Personally, I would love a draft with Nolan Smith AND Drew Sanders. Even tho it may be redundant. Nolan Smith just seems like the type of player that will really thrive in the NFL.
Smith’s size makes him a tweeter (his actual size will be less than 6’3” 235 – probably played closer to 225-230). Parsons has him by a good 10-20 lbs (game day weight). I think the biggest difference is that Parsons had monster production in college where Smith did not.
There is this weird thing with Georgia defenders where their on-field production/tape seems to be greatly excused/qualified. I see it with Smith, Carter, Ringo…all good, talented players; but there’s this notion that Kirby Smart like held them back are something. Very odd.
*My second paragraph is just general commentary; not directed at you, btw.
Great stuff Rob. I still can’t get on board with Carter, though. This conviction is only getting stronger by the day. There’s a weird media ploy to make him seem like he’s the love child of Quinnen Williams and Aaron Donald – frankly I don’t get it.
I watched a “scouting video” of him today and the presenter is talking him up on plays where he literally did nothing – “this is what makes him a superstar.” Huh?
This is honestly the strangest phenomenon I’ve seen in the last few years. The converse of this was the “Zach Wilson was bad at BYU” talking points. ZW sucks now – but he was insane during his final season at BYU.
Anyways, no real point to this post other than I feel like I’m taking crazy pills on Carter. He’s clearly talented, but I feel like people are projecting the best possible scenario for him as what he is right now as a prospect. He could very well become a great player; again – just confused at the “no brainer all pro” stuff going around.
I wonder how Wilson would have done either in a different organization, or if he could have sat for a year. More and more I’m thinking starting qbs year 1 is a mistake and should only happen out of necessity. It’s a special player that can handle it, and requires some protection from a good coach too.
Thanks Rob. Lots to think about. I’ve been considering what a Seahawk draft might look like if the remaining quarterback of the big 4 at pick 5 is Young.
I’d be pretty excited if the Seahawks came away with those players. I’d prefer to take a RB instead of Kraft, but if Kraft is BPA then go for it. Carter is obviously a risky pick but I don’t see many better options at #5, maybe taking Bryce Young is the way to go. Do you gamble that Youngs body holds up, or do you gamble that Carters mind gets motivated? Tough choice.
Myself, I’d gamble on Young in that scenario.
Not a tough choice for me at all. Unmotivated is a non-starter. Young is smaller but so was Russell and Drew Brees, neither of whom had injury issues. Certainly find smaller qb’s with injury issues (Tua) but you can find larger qb’s with injuries as in Mahomes just getting hurt.
Russ and Brees were shorter but not smaller. Both weighed in at 220 or so. Bryce Young is in reality closer to 185 walking around. That’s a slight frame to be taking hits from linebackers and d ends every week.
I would take Young as long as the Seahawks are willing to keep investing in the offensive line. A new center and right guard would be a good start.
Round 1, Pick 5 Stroud QB
Round 1, Pick 20 Sanders LB
Round 2, Pick 37 Ika DT
Round 2, Pick 52 Carter or White Edge
Round 3, Pick 83 Skinner S
Round 4, Pick 120 Charbonet RB
Round 5, Pick 148 Center
Round 5, Pick 151 CB
Round 6 Another run stuffing DT that mike make the roster like Mone did.
Free agency – DT, LB, and Center/Guard.
Let me know your thoughts. I’m looking forward to seeing who to root for at each position and which is the best value in each round.
I think many of the guys listed above could be key contributors for the Hawks in year one and then beyond.
Go Hawks!
I love all these players, but highly doubt that Skinner and Charbonnet are available at those slots. Sure would be nice though. That would be one hell of a draft.
If the draft fell this way I would jump on the chance to draft Bryce Young.
Yes, he is on the small size. That’s the only negative on him though.
Young is good-great in every other facets of the game.
Just as Levis and Richardson are gambles, so is Bryce Young.
I think he’s QB1 or QB2 when it’s all said and done. QB4 for me is Levis and I would draft him with the 5th pick no question asked either.
3rd overall pick would have been way better but the Hawks are still in a great position with 4QB that are worth a top pick, as well as a really good DE prospect. I’d be okay with Carter too, but not as happy as with B. Young (in this scenario)
Really enjoyed this mock Rob. Some interesting takes and new players to checkout.
This is worst case scenario for me with Richardson, Levis and Stroud off the board. If that happens the Hawks may well take a DL player early but I truly believe JS badly wants to find his QB of the future at 5 with his legacy and that pick forever linked to the Russ trade.
If I was a betting man Anthony Richardson to the Hawks would be my top choice.
Sedric Van Pran heading back to Georgia puts him near the top of my 2024 draft early wish list. That 2024 draft is looking stacked.
Anyone else a Jake Bobo fan?
Yes, I think he has a bit of Cooper Kupp in him. Remember Kupp was not taken until the 3d round.
Doug Pederson managing to get George Karlaftis on Christian Kirk in coverage…my goodness.
Remember that one time Tyler Lockett lined up at RB and the defense couldn’t adjust and it led to Swain getting a TD?
I don’t think we ever saw that formation again…
Guessing that’s on the D coordinator tho cha. Pedersen is an offensive guy and I’m guessing he leaves the d to the coaches on that side of the ball. That said, your point is spot on.
It was Pederson’s offense that caught the Chiefs in the advantageous matchup. That was all Pederson’s creativity.
Oh shit I got it backwards. My bad. Sorry
Kansas City’s chance to win the Super Bowl is just about gone. Mahomes has at the very least a high ankle sprain and is limping around terribly. Their offensive line is not good enough for him to stand like a statue in the pocket ala Tom Brady
And that’s the thing with the Young being to small. Injuries happen to qb’s with prototype size also.
And as soon as I say that their o-line steps up and dominates to the tune of a 98 yd TD drive with Henne at QB. Some guy at Center named Humphrey. 😞
Arrggg I still so pissed when they passed on Humphrey when he fell into their laps! To pick Eskridge! I was watching live of course and it still hurts me. Almost as much as the Adams trade. Those two F ups set us back and last years draft was needed just to help make up for it.
Jacksonville has a very 2012 Seahawks vibe. They really have no fear. Some great talent.
Everytime I watch Travis Kelce all I can think of is the Hawks taking Chistine Micheal right before him in the draft.
Crede Humphrey, TJ Watt….all things Pete says are important and then go the opposite direction.
Creed
At least with Watt they envisioned McDowell as their Calais Campbell so the thought process was good, just the execution was bad.
Pure hubris thinking you can change a leopards spots
Agree which is why I want nothing to do with Jalen Carter
And every time I see Dee Eskridge play 2 plays and then go out for another 4 games and every time I watch Kansas City I know that we could have had Creed Humphrey so I know the feeling.
Yep he was a really disappointing one. Massive need for the Hawks and had everything you would think they look for in an interior OL.
Not that Michael was a good pick cuz we all know otherwise. However, what would we have done with Kelce considering Wilson utilized TEs about as often as I get a date with Jennifer Aniston?
That said, I’m sure Kelce will thank Mahomes profusely in his HOF induction speech as well he should.
Its funny that seahawks pick eskridge to prevent the rams to pick him. rams settle for tutu adwell. So far, Tutu has a better career than Eskridge.
Hope he turns it around next year
The interesting thing about the Seahawks bad picks is they have issues almost immediately, and certainly by mid season one. It’s amazing how quickly it all goes downhill. Whether it’s injuries, lack of talent, lack of effort, or just poor coaching – you can see it pretty quickly.
True, but this years draft 2022 is so different than the pass 5 years.
Is it as simple as John has the full control of the draft picking?
Or did they change their drafting philosophy the past year?
I don’t think it would have mattered which of the two we picked, the rams pick would’ve been better. Not because they are better at picking, or even necessarily the scheme. They (and the miners) have a history of developing picks. We don’t. I lost faith in our ability to coach up picks a few seasons back.
How can you pass on Creed, just check out his picture if you have in Oline you right away advantage 🙂
Strange thing about Tyree Wilson is despite his amazing length he often goes shoulder first into the blocker and doesn’t extend
Do you think that’s just poor coaching or him falling back on poor technique cuz that’s what he’s comfortable with?
I don’t know — it’s an easy fix so not majorly worried
Would just like to see him make even more of his tools
Rob,
I’m getting this sense on your defensive line players that “he’s good,but…..
Am I off on this or are you seeing more of it this year?
You never get the perfect prospect but there are a handful of players like that, yes
“Kirby Smart called McIntosh a bad MF so that’s good enough for me.”
Loved this line in your mock. Don’t know how to quantify this BAMF idea, maybe a BAMF draft or adding BAMF if a player meets that quality. I’ve seen you use it through the years (Dameon Pierce stands out last year).
Speaking of veterans we could have paid a lot of money for = Frank Clark is having a heck of a game for KC today.
Thank god we rid ourselves of his $18m salary to draft LJ Collier and then give Jamal Adams an $18m salary
😮💨
🙄
I hope they never make that mistake again…
Let’s get rid of a pass rusher that should be on a 2nd contract and pay the LB for his 3rd contract…
Frank Clark and Chris Jones are impacting this game as much as Mahome
Wow. Good teams have good pass rush.
Meanwhile, for the fourth offseason in a row we’re told that the pass rush is a priority.
https://youtu.be/ymHyOmlUlP0
SIGH
I had this thought when we played KC. They could trade a 1st a 2nd and pay Clark close to what at the time was top dollar despite his production being a tier below that, partly because even a decent DE is hard to find. Then they send off one of the best WRs in the game for picks instead of paying him. All because Mahomes can’t play defense. His greatness can fill in for Hill being gone, but then it’s wise to overpay for D at key positions. This is what a true star QB can do for you. And it’s smart team building if you land that guy.
Whenever I feel sad I just think about buying Rob a Clear Glass Beer Stein , with Jamal Adams name printed on the bottom. So Rob can see his name as he finishes the dregs. Somehow that cheers me up.
Even the nosetackle Nnadi is making sacks. Turns out he’s a third round pick. You can see the difference in defense line for the championship teams.
I have to say that I was initially disappointed with the Jaguars when they fell behind in the first half against the Chargers. But starting with their second half comeback and watching this game and KC unfold, I’m a big believer in Trevor Lawrence and the entire team. He is agile for his size. They got a good running back, some good receivers, and a defense that is holding up and getting after Mahomes. Their only black mark today was letting Henne drive 98 yards downfield to score.
What a difference Doug Pedersen has made for Jax
I was thinking the same thing with that reverse play. What a difference a coach with a game plan makes.
Spread was Kansas City -8 and a 1/2. There’s a lot of people watching this right now with a lot of interest
Can you say back door cover?
They were showing the four big mistakes that Jaguars made.
One dropped defensive interception. One long pass that was dropped. One pass that was fumbled. And an interception. The game could have been tied at the end. But KC put defense put them away. I would have liked to see overtime.
Oh well, on to the next game. I’m rooting for the 49ers.
With you. Don’t hate the 9ers like I did back in the Harbaugh/Kap days. Besides, they’re playing the cowgirls so it’s automatic to root for them for me.
Give me Chad Henne . let Geno and Lock walk
He’s only getting 2 million a year from KC.
Yes! This!
Now that is a QB-friendly system.
Pass pro, an all-world tight end, and a running game all ran by an offensive savant.
With a defense that can step up and make stops when they’re needed most I might add.
Yeah they are not all Mahomes anymore. They went out and upgraded their offensive line and their running back room and they can run the football too. Outstanding roster construction. Now if they can manage to beat Cincinnati if they beat Buffalo because the Bengals have beaten KC 3 times in a row.
No QB makes me sad but I’ll accept that Geno and massive upgrade at DLine could be very nice, and that the QB available at 5… might not be.
Seems to me that the answer will be in the scouting. If you believe in the QB, take him. If not, take the best player available.
The more I think about Robs proposal of a trade for Payne or Buckner the more I like it. It really does allow the team to let the draft come to them. I also think a stud on that line will do a lot help the younger guys develop. I’m wondering how much better Taylor would be now, or Mafe if the rest of the line was even an average unit. So many things that need to play out though still. How much will geno cost, or will he be somewhere else? What cuts will they make to open up room? However it shakes out I hope they’re bold.
There’s a hidden value with Payne that I harped on when Jarran Reed was a Seahawk, and that is his snaps.
Payne took 87% in 2022, 76% in 2021, and 84% in 2020. His lightest game in 2022 was 75% of the snaps. And what’s better, he was consistently productive.
Poona Ford (56%) and Shelby Harris (55%) cost a combined $15 million last year and couldn’t touch his snaps.
If the Seahawks jettisoned Harris and did not bring Poona back, Quinton Jefferson (49%), Bryan Mone (30%), Al Woods (39%) and Draft Pick could easily make up the other 25% of snaps between them.
So you’re buying an extra roster spot and an extra game day active spot with Payne.
And further, in a development that will shock absolutely no one, the Seahawk defense was at the bottom of the NFL once again in snaps/plays faced, finishing a horrid 30th.
So if Payne can make the defense livable, the conversation goes beyond snap percentages and into actual snaps. Everyone will be fresher and the opportunity for injury and defensive breakdowns decreases.
If Payne reaches free agency this off season then break out the checkbook and make a real run at the guy. Adding a cornerstone young DL on the open market would be an epic achievement.
After watching last week and now this week the fundamentals with these teams are just so much better on the little things like I don’t know….tackling!
You can’t win a game when you can’t tackle. And players trying to get ball out instead of tackling? looks ugly
I would also say just the positioning of the defensive players as well is night and day different with the Seahawks and these teams. Very rarely do these teams look out of position and are there to make the play or at least stop it from a larger gain. Where as the Seahawks rarely seem in the correct position and often give up much more yardage after the original play and gain.
What is tackling?
The thing Cody Barton does to other players on the Seahawk defense when they are attempting to make a play on the ball carrier.
Tack…ling?
I’m afraid I’m not familiar with that term, you adorable little ragamuffin.
Now THAT is some good info cha. Brilliant.
Was supposed to be a response to cha’s post up above about hidden value of Payne.
Since we have a snoozer of a game, I thought I would take this opportunity to make an exciting announcement. At this year’s Senior Bowl practice I will bringing you…
Palatavision !!!
Yes, sir. I have ordered from Amazon a pair of sunglasses that have a little tiny video camera right between the eyes. The model is: OhO 64GB Camera Glasses,1080P Full HD Smart Glasses with UV400 Sunglasses Lens with IP44 Waterproof for Outdoor Sport.
And due to this modern miracle of technology you will see…
* Max Mitchell’s agent Jim Denton telling me how cool it is that the Jets took advantage of the inclement weather to work out the kickers.
* Tracy Wolfson chilling out in the bleachers with all the bloggers.
* Some idiot telling me that not only will Roger McCreary of Auburn be the first cornerback taken, he will be the first player taken overall.
*Me puking my guts out drunk at the Senior Bowl Mardi Gras parade.
* Nick Saban getting a lap dance from Mike Price’s favorite stripper at The Candy Store.
* A drug deal gone bad.
* Gun violence!
Yes sir! Just stayed tuned here for the updates.
That is a viral YouTube account of American Idiocracy. Cough… Cough… where can I view this?
I’ll put it on twitter and share the link with my phone when I get there. I’m going to at least one practice and I might hit a charity event.
You da man
Have a rum punch for me!
I still think Geno’s market is going to be a little soft. And just to solidify my claim that he’s Josh McCown part 2 – he signs with Tampa.
Tampa would be a really intriguing destination for Geno if/when Brady decides not to come back.
They’ve got great receivers, a talented defense and their GM isn’t above practicing some dark arts with the salary cap. They could talk themselves into going all in on a couple more years and may prefer a guy they could sign a deal with that won’t break the bank.
Eagles 38. Giants 7. WOW! I didn’t see this coming. I thought the Eagles would win. But not in a blowout. I actually thought the Giant had a chance.
The two best teams in the NFL are Philadelphia/San Francisco. Just checked the weather forecast for next Sunday in Philadelphia. High of 48 low 39. 10% chance of rain. With winds up to 10mph. So weather should NOT be an issue for the 49ers. Assuming they knock off Dallas tomorrow.
In 2022 as I mentioned once before. With all due respect to Kansas City, Buffalo, Cincinnati the two best teams in the NFL are San Francisco/Philadelpia.
“Assuming they knock off Dallas tomorrow”
Please let it be
Does it really cost THREE firsts plus #61 just to move up eight spots?
It’s two firsts
“In return the Bears get the 61st overall pick plus the Panthers’ first round picks in 2024 and 2025.”
My mistake. I saw that you had the Bears picking in Carolina’s #9 spot so I assumed it was firsts in 2023, 2024, AND 2025. This may be the going price in a bidding war but seems incredibly rich to me to move up just 8 spots.
On a related note, I wonder how the Niners are feeling about the haul they gave up to move up and grab Lance with the way Brock Purdy is playing after being taken 262nd overall!
It’s more or less the price San Fran paid to move up to #3
This is to move up to #1
The letter ‘E’ on my macbook is coming off again
It’s going in for a repair today
Apologies, this might impact posting articles. Hopefully get it back soon
Oh no, not again!
Did that keyboard at one time belong to Tyler Lockett…? 😉
Ok that’s funny Sea Mode
Use the 3 key
Well I did enjoy M3ghan at the cinema last week
5 straight AFC Championship games for Reid and 27-year-old Mahomes. Impressive.
Respect.
Now that the Chiefs are fully established, the only remaining teams that I’ll root for them to beat are the 49ers & Cowboys. Like to spread the joy to the have nots.
Would like to see the Bengals get one in that sense. (of course, last year would have been ideal. Imagine if the Rams hadn’t won it all and then had the collapse they had this year…)
No teams have invested more draft capital and cap space to the OL / DL than the Eagles and Niners. The results speak for themselves. That’s the model for how the Hawks need to rebuild IMO and last years draft was a great start. Will likely take two more like that to be elite again.
You don’t build a championship roster by paying big $ to retain an average QB (Geno Smith)
All the teams left in the playoffs have either star QBs ( Mahomes, Allen, Burrow) or great rosters and cheap QBs on rookie deals (Lawrence, Purdy, Hurts).
The one outlier might be the Cowboys as I don’t consider Dak a star QB but they have still built a really good OL / DL and have put a ton of resources into those spots.
The eagles show how precarious roster building can be. Saw that the to four rated FA dlinemen are all on their roster.
Listened to another seahawks centric pod and essentially they posit a 2019-2020 run it back paradigm wherein Diggs is actually great, JA sunk cost, and Geno is actually a badass…
In this world we keep the safeties at full fare, 38 mil, and add Geno for an extremely weird, 15 mil this year and 50 (!!!) Million in 2024.
I felt like I must have been in a coma. Hasn’t this team been doing this for years now?
In this world we would also draft a safety high for the future and tender Neal.
Love neal and hope he stays. Actually hope they look to safety for the now and future. But Pete himself said safety is not a premium position.
Geno at age 35 making 50 million guaranteed? Yikes.
Rob the Dolphins don’t have a 1st this year and look tight on Cap Space if they want to sign a QB with Tua’s injury concerns. What do you think of a #20 and a 4th for Christian Wilkins. He is a tone setter on defense and plays with great leadership as well as awesome production. He still has another year left on his rookie deal so the Dolphins have no real motive to move him but might if they need the cap space going forward and want to recoup some draft capital.
They aren’t giving up Watson
I…don’t understand who was responsible for our defensive crapshow this season.
Or are all these teams just interviewing him to check off a box…?
1. Box ticking
2. Desai seems to me a guy destined to fall forward. He is very bright. Acts the part of a leader.
The scary thing is if he’s actually good, what is this defense like without Desai
I think Desai is very very smart (don’t they even call him Dr?) and it’s very likely that the incredible development in Tarig Woolen, Coby Bryant, and Michael Jackson had a lot to do with Desai and Karl Scott.
Additionally, a DB savant is going to thrive best in a defense that lives predominantly in nickel.
That said, while I sincerely hope Desai stays, perhaps that’s what Pete and Clint need to reconsider the defensive scheme and the so-called “Fangio” defense. I’m not suggesting we toss out everything but obviously the defense needs serious revamping in terms of scheme, play calling, players, and coaching and Desai leaving would force Pete and Clint to rethink things.
HOWEVER- if Ed Donatell is the replacement I take back everything I said and will die a little inside [feverishly knocks on wood]
Isn’t Desai supposed to be a DB guru/whisperer like Carroll?
And wasn’t our DB group the lone bright spot in the defense?
I don’t know if I want to find out the answer to your question.
Can we put the “Desai is the PC succession plan” talk to bed now?
Also if he’s going outside the building for DC, obviously his spot in Seattle was not above Hurtt’s.
One week!
I am, Jim.
If this draft falls this way – maybe a team like Washington will want to trade into #5 for a QB like Young. Payne (sign & trade) and the #16 pick to the Hawks?
Why do you not think Schimitz from Michigan would not be an option at center for us? He is the perfect pivot player for the ground and pound scheme we play in Seattle.
He is the antithesis of what they said they wanted at center. A big powerful tall mauler is not what this scheme has called for
The Kansas City Chiefs have made the AFC championship game 5 years in a row. I just heard today that as of this moment they have the 4th youngest roster in the entire NFL. Now tell me Seahawk fans (twitter)that Jalen Carter would be a better choice than a possible franchise quarterback because there is absolutely no way they do that without a franchise quarterback.
did 4 afc championship games in a row, 5 total as well. bad ass coach
nfc sorry
Who’s mock drat is scrolling at the bottom of the NFL Network right now? This person is on drugs.
I can’t find my question from earlier so forgive me but I saw posted somewhere that Jalen Carter had a high ankle sprain to explain his poor conditioning in last two games. This true? I haven’t heard this from Carter or GA.
No. He had an injury earlier in the year then came back and was fine
Thank you, As I thought.
Just watched Keion White’s game against North Carolina and I’m sold. That is a man who never gives up on a pass rush, I want that kind of intensity on our Dline.
I wanted him to come out last year.
Love him go go go
Two things:
If the Hawks were to trade up, who do you think the likely candidate would be? Chicago seems like a bidding war they couldn’t afford. Not Arizona…conference rival. This might be the case if they also feel similarly about Bryce young… in this scenario they simply take whomever drops…I’m sure Schneider has a preference.
Second, gervon dexter is never discussed here… probably for good reasons. But what are those reasons? He seems like a viable DT for them.
Thanks Rob!
I think for Stroud if anyone at this point. (moving up)
But they might be content to sit and hope Richardson is there if the price is simply too steep.
This mock draft has us taking three defensive players and a tight end in the first two rounds.
#5 Jalen Carter (DT, Georgia)
#20 Drew Sanders (LB, Arkansas)
#38 Keion White (DE, Georgia Tech)
#53 Tucker Kraft (TE, South Dakota State)
But what if the JS has other plans…
#1 Seattle (v/CHI) – CJ Stroud (QB, Ohio State)
John Schneider makes a bold move and trades the #5, #20 and #53 picks to move up and select CJ Stroud. JS has been looking for a special QB since losing out on Josh Allen and now he has found him. This trade also allows for the Bears to stay in the top-five.
#38 Keion White (DE, Georgia Tech)
For all the reasons Rob has already stated in his mock draft.
What if the first two rounds went this way instead?
I sure hate having to give up those premium picks, and to be honest I suspect that’s not enough for Chicago to move #1. It probably requires a 2024 R1 pick as well. The price is just so steep to move up those four spots, and without certainty that Stroud is going to be a star.
I’ll be shocked if they move up similar to this, but John certainly is unpredictable so who knows!
I would cry if they wasted all those picks. Just get the best QB available at #5.
It’s only a waste if he’s trey lance.. if he’s burrow, allen, mahomes it’s the best move you can make.
Or don’t move up, use the picks you have to build a defence, and draft QBs in the later rounds. Don’t tell Brock Purdy you can’t find a playoff-caliber QB in rounds 5-7.
Do you get to draft Shanahan with that day three QB?
I would just hope Schneider is certain about Stroud. If so, then we are set for 15 yrs god willing
I think we can all agree theres a certain amount of risk with any young QB, but I think you have to take your shots and hope you hit. If you do, then like you said your set for several years.
I would be on board.
Passing on a QB at #5 to put their trust in Geno would be a catastrophe for the Seahawks.
So that’s probably exactly what the Pete and John clown show will do.
Any predictions for today? I have two.
1) Although I don’t think the Seahawks were a good test to get prepared for the Cowboys, I have a hard time seeing them winning today. I think we get bad Dak Prescott today. So, I’ll take the 49ers by 9.
2) The season-long battle of the pantsuits between Rachel Bonetta and Cynthia Frelund will come to a terrifying clash in this year’s Super Bowl that will unite the nation in prayer.
Im thinking Niners will lose today. After Niner’s lost to KC, all the teams they played are pretty bad. With a lot of them against backup qbs.
last week the seahawks was a easy game for the Niner’s offense. i watched Darius Bulter on Pat Macafee show highlight how bad the Seahawks defense was against the Niners. Any semi competent qb can make throws against the seahawks defense. Receivers were wide open with 10 yards of separation.
If Dallas can run the ball against the Niners, they have a good chance to win.
I think SF are going to batter Dallas
This could end up being a really competitive game, but I’m looking forward to the cinderella story of Brock Purdy continuing !
The key to a pantsuit battle is the shoes that go with each outfit. Bonetta better stop wearing her Roman gladiator type lace ups or she’s done
I completely agree. And Frelund’s humiliation move is a scarf.
Cynthia Frelund is tough to watch, NFL Network is much better when she’s not on there.
If they hire Canales, could it be a a precursor to making a run at Geno in free agency? The ravens are reportedly frustrated in negotiating a LTA with Jackson…maybe they are thinking to trade/release him and go a different direction. Geno would fit in well there and them having Canales would smooth the transition.
My lord, one can hope. 🤞🏽
A lesser draft need is another quality CB to add to the pipeline. I think PC/JS may like this guy to develop.
One of the DB’s I’ll be watching carefully at the Senior Bowl. Likely a round 4-ish pick, (he’s currently a bit of a sleeper). — CB-Riley Moss, Iowa, 6-1/193, 4.41/40, Good production with Career #’s that include 11-INT, (3 for TD’s) & 26-PD’s. His workout #’s, if substantiated at the combine, indicate he’s pretty “twitchy” and on tape he moves VERY fluidly. He’s not perfect as he still needs some NFL coaching to reach his full potential.
–AND– He made Bruce Feldman’s Freak’s List – ranked #19. He wrote “Moss has vertical-jumped 42 inches and broad-jumped 10-8. We’re told he has clocked the fastest short shuttle time for DBs in Kirk Ferentz’s two decades-plus at Iowa, blazing through it in *****3.85 seconds*****. That would’ve been almost a full tenth of a second faster than anyone at this year’s combine, with Sam Houston State’s Zyon McCollum going 3.94.” LINK: https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Riley-Moss-DB-Iowa
Good shout.
I’m with JS: just add the top talent; forget drafting for need. (except QB)
My gut atm screams the 3 QB we really want will be gone at 5, which is incredibly frustrating… I think you have to consider Young then, even if Jalen Carter is available (for all reasons Rob has elucidated).
What is interesting is that so many mocks have Levis or Richardson lasting past 7 even.
So hard to predict but I think the confluence of too many teams needing QB and likely trades makes this a tricky one for us. Glad we have so many picks in general to shore up the team though.
There is a talking point about the QBs in the playoffs all being young. Especially in the AFC, most of them picked in top 10. The final four are all young franchise qbs.
That might sway some owners to go all in to draft a qb in the top 4 this year.
Thats something we havent talked about. How some meddling owner overrides a coach/gm. The owner of washington did that when they traded all those picks and picked RG3. Shannahan didnt want him.
I can see the owner of the Colts and Panthers to be aggressive to get their young franchise qb
I agree, it is incredibly frustrating…especially considering that just a couple of weeks ago, it seemed likely that we would end up with pick #3… and then have the guarantee of one of “the big 3”.
It’s bad enough that there are several other teams that will likely be in the market for one of the top QBs… but that, coupled with the complete lack of blue chip talent at other key positions in the draft, make it extremely likely that we wont be in position to draft one of Levis, Stroud or Richardson, after all.
And to make it even worse than that… the remaining players at #5 might not justify a big return in a trade down scenario, considering the above mentioned lack of blue chippers at that spot.
So, we are left with the prospect of standing pat, and taking a huge question mark of a player, or trading down for whatever we can get, and then taking an equaly risky pick at a slightly more platable postion.
The most realistic “hope”, I think, is that Richardson is somehow not considered worthy of a top 5 selection, and JS disagrees.
I’m very here for Richardson at five.
As a fan of his.
As a fan of my team.
As a fan of watching seahawks Twitter meltdown.
Seeing all of the mock drafts from the standard media sites makes me sad. Tyree Wilson, Tyree Wilson, Tyree Wilson…. That would probably my least favorite use of the #5 pick. I mean what’s the difference in terms of upside between Wilson and Keion White? Okay, so Wilson is really long. Keion White is 290 lbs and moves like he’s 260. If the two of them were available at #20 I would really struggle with which one I wanted more.
Also, I’m starting to think that Keion White won’t be there at #37. If Frank Clark went in the 2nd round after a DV charge, then White will probably go somewhere late in the first. Provided he blows up the combine, obviously.
The mainstream draft coverage since September has been as bad as I can ever recall
My problem with Wilson is my sane problem with Carter.
Think back to last draft. If either were highlight players that Rob was mentioning as ones to keep your eyes on, Ala, devonta Wyatt….I’d be thoroughly intrigued at #20.
But, because I’m selfish, I want this gift of a pick no one could predict coming to be franchise altering like a QB. ( well, just a qb frankly)
At #5 neither Carter nor Wilson has shown me anything that leads me to believe they are going to consistently take over games. Carter due to his inability to stay on the field or Tyree Wilson because I do really see some cool plays and a lot of nothing.
The difference between Wilson and White? White has huge upside. And if he really is coming in at 6’4″ 285 plus he can be an end in a 3-4. Or by his own admission learn all the spots on the front.
Tyree Wilson is he a rush OLB that needs to get lighter? Can he get heavier?
One thing working in the Hawks favor is that Trey Lance will probably be on the trade block soon. There’s no reason for the 49ers to hold onto him at this point, and they have no draft capital. His stock isn’t going to go up warming the bench for another year. So one of the QB needy teams (probably outside of the top 5 picks) might see trading for him as a better option than waiting or trading up in the draft. And honestly if there isn’t much interest for him, then I wouldn’t mind the Seahawks offering a modest offer. I don’t know. What do you all think his trade value would be?
I think Trey Lance’s trade value is so low, niners prob wont trade him.
Teams will want to see him play first. Maybe he will light it up in the preseason. He will be a backup for the Niners. And i dont see him being a distraction.
I think Jordan Love might be available if Aaron Rodgers decides to stay with GB.
Bengals really handling the Bills in the snow. If the Bengals win – they also have been Chief killers in the regular season. So could be Bengals vs 49ers in Super Bowl.
That was my prediction before the playoffs but boy Philadelphia looked good last night
The fighting Sirianni’s look like they aren’t to be messed with.
But as long as the cowboys continue their long slow descent into good but not quite I’m going to be happy.
Though I don’t think games are rigged per se, I like that the cowboys are facing tge niners. Two legacy franchises so hopefully it doesn’t feel like somethings amiss in the game.
Fuck the cowgirls
I hope like hell they lose again and it’ll be TWENTY SEVEN seasons since they last made a Super Bowl.
Of course it won’t matter cuz the football mediavwill fellate them yet again next season and they’ll be on TV every week ad nauseum
I’m here for that. The cowboys are the reason I no longer watch espn during the football season except college games.
That and having the 2013 seahawks games bumped (in CO at the time) for mediocre cowboys when the hawks were taking the life out of opponents.
They can keep losing as long as rummy eyed jerry Jones is walking the earth.
I don’t watch ESPN for anything anymore except live events. They are endlessly focused on pimping big “stars” e. g. Zion Williamson
It’s a shame Mina Kimes works for them cause I would like to see her elsewhere.
If you can stop the run you can stop Philadelphia. Depending on Hurts arm will be much more of an iffy proposition (at this level). So I think the 49ers are in decent shape. No point spread yet??
I heard this morning you could get it as a pick em but I would guess if the 40 niners win it’ll be Philly -1 1/2?
That would make sense if you consider Brock Purdy to be a rookie still.
Looking at the superbowl strictly from a marketing perspective it should probably be Dallas Cowboys vs Kansas City Chiefs. That would probably draw the greatest interest. So – will the refs be participating in the marketing ?? har har.
Niners are a legacy team. And the bills I think would be a huge draw.
Well they just overturned what would have been a touchdown for Chase in what could be construed as an effort to keep the game close so you never know….
This bills v. Bengals game is a tough one. I’d love for the bills to get that elusive ring. And heard Jeff Simmons say he already has a hotel booked in Buffalo in case they do get to tge superbowl. That’d be cool for him and that whole city.
On the other hand. It’s hard to hate burrows and I’d live to see him do the near impossible which is get back to the big game after losing.
Plus it’s hard to hate Joe “all high pick qbs are bad investments because of bust rate,” burrow.
Defense coaching-
1. In games with turf traction issues, why do our coaches play so long with out making adjustments with the players spikes? During pre game warm ups, why cant they simply choose the correct cleats in the first place?
2. How is it possible to start nearly every season so un prepared?
3. How can our tackling be so horrible every season?
4. How come the other teams star players remain so open for a pass when its known in advance they are likely to get the ball?
5. Is our D talent this aweful?
6. Is out D coaching this aweful?
7. Have we not had these same exact issues year after year?
8. Have PCJS not said for years now that we need to address the D line?
9. It has over a week since the season ended. Is there any update on the meeting with Jody Allen, PC,and JS?
1. Great question. We may have list a playoff game in Carolina because of this several years ago. Coaching failure?
2. Pete Carroll
3. Pete Carroll
4. Scheme?
5. Yes, especially the d-l8ne and Barton
6. Yes
7. A resounding YES!
8. Yes, and the pass rush in particular
9. Haven’t heard anything
*note: the above are my personal opinions
17 years ago today the Seahawks beat Carolina in the NFCCG to make it to their 1st ever Super Bowl.
I was fortunate enough to attend the game in person and I can tell you I was horse from screaming for nearly a week
I was just a middle schooler then desperately calling 710 to try and get a free ticket to Detroit, those were the days!
Tee Higgins is a better WR than I gave him credit for coming into the League
He’s on DKs level IMO
….but catches the ball dependably.
Yup
DK thinks and acts like he’s on Tee Higgins’ level, but he’s not close.
I was just thinking about that field goal kicker that the refs wouldn’t let them put a piece of white grass down to mark the spot. I wonder what he does when it is snowing??
Every Seahawks draft not including an interior OL in the first second rounds would be a mistake. We should learn the lessons of the current year. First, strenghten the trenches and then, get the skill players. We obviously lack some top-level in the LG and C positions. That fourth pick, second of the second round, would be ideal. For instance, following Rob`s draft, Steve Avila will work out for what we need there. Hopefully another Center in the upcoming round (3th) and a backup RB with 4th. Secondary and WR help for later rounds.
You can’t just force an interior OL worthy of the pick though
I had Sedrick Van Pran in R1 for Seattle last time. He chose not to declare.
Avila isn’t the type of blocker this scheme typically utilises
I’m starting to think the Bears will trade to the Colts (if they are interested) and then try to create a second buzz around pick 4. Assuming Seattle doesn’t resign Geno I imagine a lot of teams will predict Seattle wanting a QB.
“If you want to get above Seattle to get your QB you better step up”…
It’s why I really think John will try to trade up if he does, indeed, really like one of those QBs.
Does the media predetermine where they want players to go.
There has been hubbub about Lamar Jackson leaving/possibly demanding a trade and now I see Anthony Richardson dropping to Baltimore in mocks.
Bucky Brooks had the Seahawks pass on Levis and Richardson. Then the Hawks pass on Richardson again with our 2nd first round pick in favor of a WR? I get that we need a WR3 but we usually don’t draft wr3 in the first round..
But I feel like Bucky wanted Balt to get QB so he had to put someone in the Seahawks pick…