Duane Brown from Houston to Seattle
The news broke today that Jeremy Lane failed a medical in Houston and won’t be part of the trade. Here are the new terms:
Seahawks get: Duane Brown and a 2018 5th round pick
Texans get: Seattle’s 2018 3rd round and 2019 2nd round picks
The second day of the draft won’t be very interesting for Seahawks fans in April unless they trade out of the first round again.
It’s quite an expensive deal now in terms of draft stock. Seattle has one pick in the first three rounds in 2018. The mid-season nature of the trade and the cost makes it arguably their most aggressive deal to date.
At the point of Lane failing his medical the Seahawks lost a lot of leverage. They had to get this deal done. This is an unfortunate albeit necessary decision to trade the 2018 third round pick.
You’d rather not lose so much draft stock but there just aren’t that many good three techniques or left tackles available. Sheldon Richardson and Duane Brown are quality additions befitting of the price.
The expectation is surely for Richardson to be a long term fixture and you won’t find a player of his talent level in the second round next year (not even close). Brown at age 32 isn’t a long term solution but he’s one of the few good left tackles in the NFL.
Look at this list of all the offensive tackles currently playing in the league. How many would you covet or want to pay a big contract to? Then consider the complete lack of options in the upcoming draft. Notre Dame’s Mike McGlinchey will likely go in the top-20. Trey Adams is reportedly returning to Washington and Connor Williams at Texas is raw and hurt.
Furthermore the Seahawks needed some security next season with George Fant continuing to recover from a serious knee injury.
So while the Duane Brown deal ended up being more expensive than expected — it gives the Seahawks a better chance of succeeding this season and next. For that reason, the cost is probably a moot point.
Jimmy Garoppolo from New England to San Francisco
This was a highly surprising move, costing the 49ers their 2018 second round pick. For a long time it felt inevitable that Kirk Cousins would be reunited with Kyle Shanahan next year. It felt like a good match — Cousins is able and experienced enough to be a successful quarterback in Shanahan’s productive system.
Clearly the Niners didn’t want to wait around or get into a bidding war, which is understandable. Did they want to wait until March for a chance to woo Cousins, only to miss out and then need to look for an alternative? By that point Garoppolo could’ve signed elsewhere.
Adding to the problem is the quarterback draft class. Multiple reports are suggesting Sam Darnold intends to return to USC. Josh Allen has not lived up to the slightly strange national media hype going into the season. Josh Rosen has played well but many people have touched on his personality being a bit of an acquired taste — while Lamar Jackson has felt the strain of having to carry Louisville all year.
It’s not clear which or any of these quarterbacks will actually declare. Even Josh Allen has been talked about as a possible graduate transfer, as he maybe looks to bolster his stock at a better team than Wyoming.
All things considered, the Garoppolo deal makes sense. The Niners make a statement to the player that you are our guy. They’re not turning to him having missed out on Cousins. They’re making a firm commitment now. That matters to players.
The rest of this season can be used to climatise the new quarterback into the system. They can be creative in the draft and free agency — improving other areas of the team, possibly trading down for more picks and selecting the best player available to keep rebuilding a team desperately in need of talent.
Jay Ajayi from Miami to Philadelphia
Adam Gase labelled his offense the worst in the league after last weeks embarrassing loss to Baltimore. Matt Moore is considered a respectable backup but he’s still Miami’s third choice at quarterback. It’s pretty remarkable that had the Dolphins beaten the Ravens they would’ve been in first place in the AFC.
Ajayi and Gase clashed from day one. If you recall he didn’t travel to Seattle for the week one game last year. Eventually he worked himself back into favour and managed to put a string of good performances together. This season, however, he hasn’t had much of an impact.
He ran for 122 yards against the Chargers and 130 against the Falcons. Apart from that, Ajayi is averaging 2.5 yards per carry in his other five games. He hasn’t scored a touchdown. There have also been some concerns about the health of his knees — a problem that saw him fall to the fifth round in the 2015 draft.
A change of scenery might be best for both parties. Gase gets to make a statement to his struggling offense in the hope this will trigger a reaction. Ajayi gets to play in an offense that has to account for a prolific Carson Wentz and he might get more favourable opportunities to run the ball.
For a fourth round pick it was worth the gamble by the Eagles. Even if he doesn’t work out it’s a deal worth making. The paltry return though suggests Ajayi, while a big name who enjoyed a strong 2016 season, might be more of a headache than a productive runner. And before anyone makes the comparison to a certain trade in 2010 — he isn’t Marshawn Lynch.
Kelvin Benjamin from Carolina to Buffalo
You have to admire what the Bills have done this year. They’ve created a tough, physical team that is punching above its weight. They’re 5-2 and challenging in the AFC East. They’ve also made several big moves.
Sean McDermott clearly wants his guys. And when you’re winning games after making all of these different trades, people are going to start trusting your judgement.
They’ve accumulated so much draft stock so far with an extra pick in rounds one, two and three in 2018. Dealing one of those early picks (a third rounder) to Carolina for Kelvin Benjamin was totally justifiable.
It’s a peculiar move by the Panthers considering they lack great depth at receiver. Remember Greg Olsen is also still injured. Are they considering trying Christian McCaffrey in the slot, at least temporarily?
Benjamin has had a bit of an enigmatic career. He made a number of big plays in his final year at Florida State, showing off fantastic size and strength and dynamic athleticism for his incredible frame. He also had plenty of drops — thus why he lasted into the late first round.
He missed Carolina’s Super Bowl season through injury and his weight has fluctuated. When healthy, however, he’s been reasonably productive.
McDermott seems like a good judge of character and has been around Benjamin so he’ll know what he’s bringing in. Considering they have those extra picks in rounds one and two, trading a third rounder for Benjamin seems like a low risk move to get Tyrod Taylor a big target on the outside.
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Well, now we know why they cleared more cap space than they appeared to need. My guess is they knew Lane failing the physical was a distinct possibility (Not that they were trying to fool anyone, mind you, just that it could happen).
Idk, I can’t help but think the Texans had that card up their sleeve the whole time. I mean, how can a guy who played on Sunday and had no apparent injury fail a physical two days later? Is a sleightly strained muscle really a cause to fail someone on their physical anyway? I bet if we (in some alternate reality, of course…) had traded them Earl he would have passed with flying colors, hammy and all…
Seems like they asked JS for the picks, he said take Lane instead, and they said ok knowing that they could just fail his physical.
Sorry for the negativity (and probably lack of objectivity). I totally agree it is worth it for Brown, I’m just bummed to now have no R2 or R3 pick this year and we lost the perfect opportunity to dump Lane’s salary and free up a roster spot. His value will only decrease as he receives less and less playing time the rest of the season and he left us up against the cap limit instead of leaving us with another $2m wiggle room.
Or who knows, maybe we will need him to fill in down the stretch. I guess injuries can happen at any time.
Yes = without more details it seems very subjective. Lots of players are banged up this year. Did he fail it because he held onto the doctor too long? 🙂
Too much depth is never a bad thing. Lane might not be as good as Coleman as a pure slot corner, or have as much upside as Griffin as an outside guy, but as the fourth or fifth best corner on the team? If he’s your dime guy then you’re in a pretty good place.
I would have to disagree. I think he is a horrible liability and I look forward to the Seahawks cutting him out right if we can’t find a taker at some point
Hugely overblown narrative. He’s inconsistent week-to-week, and probably rounds at to be an average/slightly below average CB at worst. Surprisingly good run defender as well. If that’s your fourth or fifth guy, you’re in good shape. I’m not super keen on another Tharold Simon in the slot bandaid. This is a good, balanced, deep, CB group.
I beg to differ on your opinion that Lane is a good run defender. He misses far too many tackles and gets washed out way too many times.
Maybe it hasn’t been great this year, but he had a fantastic run stop percentage last year. I just think it’s funny how we get hooked on these things. For example, Earl is a dreadful tackler, and Kam’s missed a heap this year, but it hardly ever gets brought up.
Lane’s been a good corner for most of his career, playing both inside and out, but because he had a down year last year – one where he was still average by league standards – he’s apparently trash who the team should kick out on the street. Not everyone can be a superstar. He’s going to be behind Sherman, Griffin, Shead, and Coleman. How many teams have a better fifth cornerback than that? Genuine question.
As far as I can see, the hysterics about Lane are just the latest example of Seahawks fans being a bunch of spoiled brats throwing their toys out of the pram because things aren’t quite perfect.
I wouldn’t have minded dealing him to the Texans. Since he is still with the Seahawks, maybe they should rest him a couple weeks and keep him as a reserve cornerback. You can never have too many cornerbacks!!!
The loss of a third looks bad now, but most hawks fans have been calling for a “win now” mindset and this fits the bill.
They have the whole off-season to address the draft…. For example, what could they get for Sherman? I’d hate to see him go, but he was on the trade block this year and they probable can’t extend everyone, so they an easily recoup the picks.
Wow that sucks, what an awkward situation with him coming back. No second or third rounder next year blows. I would guess we will see lots of maneuvering next draft. Probable move back a couple times like 2014.
Awkward for sure. He was already grumpy about playing time, I have to wonder how he will take this and how that will affect the locker room.
Frustrated that Lane failing his physical cost us a coveted third round pick. But we got a bona fide LT, will either cut Lane or keep him for depth, and possibly get some good comp picks in 2018 and 2019 cuz we ain’t gonna keep all these one year deal guys and might lose a couple guys in FA. All in all the Hawks are loaded across the board. Now let’s go compete for a ring!
Heard no way Lane was going to play for McNair, “failed physical”…ummmmm ok i guess..GO HAWKS!
The draft trade value chart, if you think the Texans are a mid round team and the Seahawks are a late round team, values Lane’s subtraction from the deal (essentially 2 fifth rounders for a third rounder) as worth roughly 80 points, or a mid 4th round pick. Lane is not worth a mid 4th round pick, imo. Texans made out too well with this change, JS didn’t play a very good game of chicken.
And you cannot cut Lane now. I don’t like how the Texans handled this trade unless we learn something new about Lane’s health and availability in the next few days. Don’t reward Houston, if they acted in bad faith, expecting the Seahawks to cut Lane in this scenario and then claim him for nothing.
I wonder if JS purposely overpays on these trades as an act of good faith with other GM’s. He seems to always get the guys he wants. He had to beat out other GMs for Richardson and now Brown.
Well, I’m not sure if any game of chicken was ever involved at all. We are the ones who desperately needed OT help and had been in constant contact for months trying to work something out (per JS remarks). This close to the deadline, you gotta pay up and get your guy or risk missing out.
As Rob points out, there simply are no other options to upgrade LT anywhere else at present or in the near future. Getting a former multiple All-Pro and Pro-Bowler is quite rare in this market, even at the steep cost.
We are all in this season and next with our current group, then we probably plan a major offload/reload in 2019. Even if we don’t add anyone in the next two drafts (we will…), our OL could be a strength by then to keep building around: a veteran Fant/Odhiambo/Britt/Pocic/Ifedi
But JC, you’re not considering that the Seahawks had ZERO leverage here. Lane was out of the deal and at that point the Texans can just call the whole thing off. At that point the priority from Houston’s point of view is to try and make it a sweeter deal. For the Seahawks it’s to stop the whole thing collapsing.
Either you want Duane Brown or you don’t. Imagine if they’d called it off for the sake of a third rounder?
There is a point you have to cry uncle, and I think this change to the deal was the point. Philly, in a similar position of need and a better current record, thought the price for Brown was too high even before this change. This third round cherry on top is too much, and enough for me to say no to wanting Brown, if I was in JS’s shoes.
I’d rather have a good left tackle personally. Better that than have all the hand wringing in the future about how Seattle never gave themselves a shot to win another title because of a bad O-line.
It’s a third round pick, and a late one at that. They got a left tackle. The two hardest positions to fill in the league are three technique and left tackle. Those guys are so rare, so few and far between. The good ones go early. I’m not sure why anyone would want this team to call off a great trade simply because the terms changed in this way. I’d rather have the best chance to win a Super Bowl this year than a third rounder to look forward to in April.
Philly have Jason Peters to come back at some point, and Vaitai, while not great, is significantly better than Odhiambo. It’s not a like-for-like situation. The Seahawks need for a good, senior, left tackle who can provide not only good play but good leadership, was much higher than that of the Eagles.
Brown will help Pocic, or whoever slots in at LG, enormously. It’s a move that has a big ripple effect.
I’m glad they have a LT. this season was going nowhere without one (first/second rd loss is nowhere with a team this talented in a wide open year).
If they really believe Fant is their guy, and he will be ready, they most likely could get a third rounder and change for Brown next off season (after using him to get to the SB).
Not saying they would, but you could limit the expense of buying your way to a championship season.
I still think it is a good move. Draft wise the Seahawks would have to pick a LT in the first two rounds, with no guarantees that they would work out. Even our first round picks have taken a year to learn the position, and came back strong the second or third year.
With Fant being injured and no guarantee that he will improve next year( I love Fant’s story but do you really think he would have handled Clowney? Or would Clowney have bent him into a pretzel and ate him for lunch?)
No this makes a lot of sense. If Brown plays well he should have another 3 years in him. But of course we are really focused on this year for now.
For the first time in a Schneider trade, I felt like he didn’t get held over a barrel. I now believe that the Texans worked him. It’s a third round pick, I get it. However, Lane is active. What’s the mysterious injury that messed up the trade?
It could be anything. Failed medicals happen.
If the Seahawks win the Super Bowl this year or next we won’t be talking about the late change to this deal.
Yeah, the difference between a fifth and a third is not something to get upset about, imo. They will end up trading back like they always do and pick up more. If Brown plays well, it will be worth it. If he doesn’t, it wouldn’t have been worth the original terms either.
Texans fans thought they were getting absolutely screwed with the original trade. Can go have a look at Texans blogs and they were frothing. No players the Seahawks could have drafted in the second and third round next year will have the impact Brown is about to. And there’s still hopefully Malik McDowell to come back next year – think of that as next years second if it helps.
I just don’t like the way it looks. In any case, we all know he will try and acquire more picks. Honestly, I just want them to get a lead back in the first round at this point. I’ve said it before, but this draft should yield some terrific options.
Jeremy Lane has been confirmed as hot garbage.
Seattle doesn’t have that many needs anyways.
They’ll trade outta the 1st and can grab a RB and DE. They can get CB depth on day 3. A 3rd LB isn’t a huge need nor want for this team. They can fill it with bargain bin FAs, UDFAs, or late day 3 guys. Another DT can be filed the same way as a 3rd LB.
Again, this draft is NOT deep. If Seattle felt like there were difference makers all throughout this draft, they wouldn’t have parted ways with so many picks. Although I’m sure they didn’t want to lose that 3rd, but they can recoup it. My gut still says, a couple big names early this year, and day 3 athletic projects.
2019 has the potential to rival the 2011 draft.
I’m sure we’ve had this conversation before, but I really do think picks are overrated – especially at the point Seattle are at. Win Forever is fine, but sometimes it’s okay to go in a bit harder on Win Now.
Our second and third round picks this draft were McDowell, Pocic, Griffin, Delano Hill, Naz Jones, and Amara Daboh. Duane Brown will contribute more to an immediate Superbowl push than any pair of players combined, and I’m not sure it’s particularly close.
We have and I agree to an extent. Their overrated depending on positions of need, and what the strength of a particular draft class is.
For a young team like say the Bills, who are 2-3 pieces away (gotta factor in depth) on each side of the ball? Picks become absolutely vital.
For sure. At that point you have to give yourself as many bites of the apple as you can. But still, they’re only as good as the players you select. Look at the Browns this year. They could have gone 1.1 Garret, 1.12, Watson. Franchise immediately turned around.
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Very nice post and feel the exact same way. Draft picks are a crap shoot. Always have been, always will be. How much more valuable is a known quantity that has already been provent to be a quality play and how much even more valuable if that player plays a position of need? B-I-N-G-O
This is such a great deal for the Hawks that I’d give up another 2019 pick to get it done if needed!!!!
Bam.
Just give me a Good RB that can stay on the field and I’ll be happy with the 2018 draft.
I just love how aggressive Seattle decided to act in 2017. They tried to bring in Lang and settled for Joekel, lost Fant and worked to eventfully land Brown. They drafted McDowell and when he was lost to injury before training camp, they started working on a deal for Sheldon Richardson.
They want to win now, but also I think they see these moves as things that will set them up for the future. If they get Richardson for four more years or more, that’s a steal. If Brown plays three years or more productively, another steel. With the last two drafts, it’s reasonable to assume Seattle has found some nice next generation players, and getting a couple proven vets at positions that are difficult to fill seems pretty shrewd.
With JS, the team will more than likely look to move back in the draft, anyways. I love these moves.
Me too. He ain’t f***ing around.
I wonder if they even see McDowell as a pass rushing 3-tech. For me, and I could be 100% wrong, he seems like a longer, more disruptive, more athletic version of Red Bryant.
I came across what I thought was a really interesting pre-draft scouting report on McDowell written by someone who was a former nfl defensive end (can’t remember who) that claimed that he was playing way out of position at Mich St, and if the team that drafts him moves him outside to defensive end, they’re going to get a special player. 3-4 or 4-3 defensive end is what he thought best fits him. When Seattle took him and through minicamps started talking more about how he was going to do a lot of what Bennett has done, I started to let go of the idea of him being their every down 3 tech. I do think there’s every chance that they would love to find a player in him that is more Red Bryant but with pass rush. If they can get that out of him, I think PC would be giddy as all get.
Stephen White for SBNation
https://www.sbnation.com/2017/4/21/15352828/malik-mcdowell-scouting-report-nfl-draft-2017
Bingo. Thanks for that. Yeah, I kinda see more 5 tech for McDowell if he can come back healthy.
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I think the starting Dline sooner than later will look like this.
Clark-Richardson-Reed-McDowell
I agree that McDowell very well could play a Red Bryant role.
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What’s with the obsession over a late 3rd rounder?
You’d rather the 60th and 90th best players coming out of college, contracted for 4 years, over one of the best left tackles in the NFL for maybe 2 years?
Anything past say a mid 2nd rounder has (I’m guessing) a 30-40% chance to even make it as an NFL starter for the team that drafted them let alone become all-pro.
This is a no brainer. People place waaay too much stock in the draft because of perceived value when you get a hit. But those hits are rare. Take known quantity all day every day.
Anyone hear exactly why he failed his physical?????????
I doubt this is why, but he posted a pic on twitter and it looked like he put on his hand (actually fingers) on a god damn buzz saw.
Also, this is Jeremy Lane, a guy who always lots of injuries, it’s not surprise failed a physical. Mike Bennet would fail one right now too
IDC. I don’t care. Ship in Brown who is a bargain if he helps solidify the other ne, improve the run game and win an SB or 2. Ffs – win forever ? Win it all, Now, PLEASE!
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I am actually a little less concerned about the draft picks than how the return of Lane’s salary means the team will need yet another adjustment. The team clearly was pinching cap space, staying at 52 for a week, waiting until after the Bye to sign Freeny. They have already reworked Baldwin’s deal, then Wilson’s, now will need to go further. I
I know plenty of options exist and lots of unknowns in the future but JS has always seemed opposed to this type of cap management. Perhaps he never was forced to with a dirt cheap Russell.
Agreed. That is one expensive dumpster fire.
Oh and Rob, I’m buying you a beer if you are game for a meet-up. Bring your No-Doze this time!
Melatonin works great for me on trips between UK and SEA.. sleep 6 hours in the plane and fall (back) asleep at regular times on each side.
After taking the kids trick or treating and thinking about the situation, the draft pick (instead of Lane) isn’t THAT big of a deal. Like Rob pointed out, we were able to acquire Duane Brown and Sheldon Richardson playing at high levels in exchange for picks that aren’t guaranteed to ever pan out.
Personally, I’m bummed because I thought we got rid of Lane. His injuries and bonehead decisions leave little to be desired. I am curious who gets cut at this point. We also have to think about guys like Dion Jordan (apparently eligible to practice next week) and Shead (could be back after week 10). Cutting Lane will save us $0 and if we get to the point of releasing him, its just because they don’t want him around.
I say let the dumpster fire go to make a point. If you complain about being benched and playing for the Seahawks AND you are a dumpster fire, you deserve to hit the road.
So Seattle has a 1st, a 4th, 3 5ths & 3 7ths?
Or actually it’ll more than likely end up looking like after they trade back…
2nd
3rd
4th
4th
5th
5th
5th
7th
7th
7th
So you think Seattle can get a 2nd a 3rd and a 4th in exchange for their 1st?
Seems a bit optimistic, but obviously that we’d take it.
Probably get some kind of high comp pick and move down twice
The trio of 5ths could be ammo to boost the pair of fourths closer to the top 100 if the predicted talent drop off looms large and real.
Schneider can work with that spread of picks and three sevenths might even mean a luxury personal pick for Pete again ala Chris Carson this year.
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One of those 5th rounders might have gone to the Eagles for OT Tobin. Not sure but I think we’re sitting at 2.
If talent does fall off after the first round= they should just pick the best running back, tight end, or wide receiver available.
Jeremy Lane failed his physical and remains a seahawk past the teade deadline.
I gotta say. I’ve stuck up for Lane as much as anyone in the past, but I hate to have an unsettled injured expensive DB on the bench
I’m going glass half full on this. Is an angry pissed off Jeremy Lane coming back to Seattle a bad thing if he uses that as a little extra motivation on the field?
There’s still a lot of football left to be played in 2017. Injuries tend to happen. There could be an opportunity for Lane down the line to come up in some big positive way. He knows this defense. If he is bent and does want out, playing well down the stretch could help him build a market next offseason.
Or is an angry pissed off Lane an even more penalty machine than he already is?
Could go either way, for sure. The vibe I pick up is that he’s a well respected guy within the LOB, though. This is probably a time where Kam and Sherm pull him aside, and say “ look,bruh. We need you. We’re glad to have you back. You’re going to come up big for us down the stretch. The best thing you can do for yourself is help us win a championship.”
Also, I think that there are certain people out there, athletes, entertainers, people in political offices that aren’t meant for social media, and should just stay off it. Lane is definitely one of those folks.
I think they should bench him for awhile and let him heal up. Meanwhile work on his game in practices.
No interest from Seahawks for Elijah Hood?
Should the Seahawks be interested?
We were reportedly looking at Frank Gore before the trade dead line so we could kick the tyres on a running back at some point in the near future.
Seeing how much our current run game and run blocking improve with Brown anchoring the left side of the line is probably the priority though given how tight we are against the cap with Lane back on the books.
Raiders just resigned him back to their practice squad.
We could still sign him to our 53 man roster from their PS if we wanted to.
Brown is not Walter, but he may be as good as anyone since. The most valued positions? QB, LT, and corner. Getting a quality LT at this point, is huge (Yuge?). As Rob pointed out, Brown and Richardson are better value than we are ever likely to find in the draft with round 2 or 3 draft picks. I am impressed.
Additional flexibility on the OL, a veteran presence, and someone with the experience and talent to deal with pass rushers we will face. Big winner? Russell Wilson.
Again the team shows that they are in good hands, and that the front office is able to find answers to tough situations. Bravo.
Is there some reason that the Seahawks website is not reporting the Brown trade?
Is there some reason that the Seahawks website is not reporting the Brown trade? I understood when they held back until Lane’s physical, but it now seems a done deal.
They will probably announce it all officially tomorrow, and update.
They need to cut someone and make some cap space, they have time until Friday to do that.
Lane will be cut I guess which will still provide some cap relief indirectly if he ends up signing with some other team, he will definitely be picked up by someone.
If he signs with Houston…sad.
I hope he does. They can have him and I hope he starts for them.
That’s classic Lane. Just when I think I’m done getting pissed at him…
He’s gonna end up getting cut instead of traded.
So a 2nd and a 3rd for the elusive left tackle that we’ve all been coveting in the midst of a super bowl window? Sign me up. Thats cheaper than Harvin. BTW, if you told me the night before super bowl 48 that I could have a player that would totally dominate the game and ice the win, but I would only get to really use him once AND it would cost a 1st and 3rd I’d still do it. We got the ring.
In Brown, We got a player we desperately need. A player that won’t be available by other means. He played well against our d line. He’ll fit in. We are as loaded as save ever been. We can run the table. Let’s roll!
Can’t wait to watch the national media be forced to cover a team they’ve been ready to move on from for the past 3 years. Go Hawks!
I think the best trade / not trade was the whole Bengals / Browns one…..
…..in typical Browns fashion, they forgot to turn in the trade paperwork before the deadline to the league office, while the Bengals had everything in on time. 2 draft picks for AJ McCarron. Geeeeez, the Browns really filled the diaper on this one. Talk about an NFL embarrassment. Everyone wonders why they are 0 fer this season….. exhibit #1 was just provided to the public.
If that scenario had made its way into the motion picture Draft Day, I think it could have pushed towards an academy award nomination. Epic. Just.. epic.
What’s even more sad is there is a whole blast of information coming about who REALLY fumbled this one. First it was the browns. Then it was the Bengals. And now it’s the Browns again.
It’s a sadly entertaining dumpster fire. Mary Kay Cabot has the blow by blow
https://twitter.com/MaryKayCabot
It’s the gift that keeps on giving. Now there’s talk that there was infighting in the Browns FO with some who didn’t want to make the trade.
Lane remains a value. The Seahawks depth at DB has to be an attraction to other teams, and Lane may be seen as a starting level player by some. Recently supplanted by a very talented rookie is not a death knell. He may not be fully back from injury, but he will soon be, and could be a player with attraction for teams with needs.
No idea why, but I have this feeling Lane is going to make a pivotal (in a good way) play for us down the stretch run this season and we’ll all be so happy that he failed his physical with HOU. Maybe I’m just an optimist, but I believe things happen for a reason.
I see some above talking about how Lane will now be cut. Why? He’s a former starting corner for us who is good depth in case of injury or poor performance. We don’t know how Shead is going to come back off his injury. Sure Lane was expendable, but since that’s out the window we might as well keep him. His cap hit is already accounted for anyway.
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I think there is a chance for that, as well. There won’t be any cap relief in cutting him, I believe. If they do cut him, it will be more to do with him becoming a clubhouse cancer.
I agree, let him heal up!!!
I agree. But on another team
Of course I would rather have had the first deal, but I’m perfectly fine with this one if that’s what it took to get Brown. As Vol mentioned above, we’ll more than likely trade back to recoup lost picks. Brown is a legit LT, which should solve our weakest piece on the OL and hopefully have a ripple effect across the whole offense.
Did anyone else notice how lukewarm PC sounded when talking about Mike Davis in his Monday presser? We all are frustrated with the RB production since Carson went down and many of us wonder why Davis hasn’t been given a shot. Perhaps there’s a reason for that. If he could really be such a huge upgrade, I’m pretty sure they would’ve brought him up already. Then again, I doubt he could be any worse than what we have. Maybe he would’ve gotten 1 yd against the Texans instead of -1 and 0…
I think PC asserted pretty firmly that the issues with the run game on Sunday were pretty squarely on the run blocking. When asked about Pocic, he said he pass protected well but had troubles in the run game, and they miss Joekel. I think they probably want to see what the current backs can do with Brown in the lineup, if that creates more opportunities.
One thing I noticed about Sunday that hasn’t been discussed much is how much they didn’t use Rawls, and seemed to go with McKissic and Lacy more, at least that’s how I remembered it, and when they did use him, really rough results; blown up behind LOS by Clowney, called for a chop block that negated a TD, dropped a wide open TD pass (albeit kinda lofted too high by Wilson). Ouch.
I get the same feeling as well. They likely don’t think Davis would’ve done better with the state of the run blocking and would like to see the current stable of RB’s with Brown in the lineup.
I unfortunately live out of market and don’t get to see SEA games that aren’t nationally televised, but from what I’ve read I agree with the Rawls usage. It sounded like they didn’t use him until the late first half, but then he ended up with the most snaps (59%) of the RBs. I wonder how short his leash is becoming. Outside of Prosise, Rawls is probably the most complete back. He’s just so darn inconsistent. Makes me feel like they won’t even tender him after then season. I still have hope for Prosise, if only for the reason that we were talking about P-Rich in the same way before this season (and even during the preseason).
I kinda think with the addition of Brown, RB might be a bigger consideration with their first pick in 2018. I believe that McKissic saw not only more action than Rawls, he saw it sooner, and they ran him up inside. I would love to see Rawls get going, but I wonder if there is trust issues there, that he is not doing what Cable wants, and is running too impatient. The way Seattle was blocking against the Texans, I don’t think it would have mattered on Sunday, but it is something to watch moving forward. Personally, my hope for Prosise has shrunk to practically nonexistence.
I agree on Prosise, i think the problem with Rawls has become his hands, he just can not catch the ball. Yes it was a difficult throw yesterday but you gotta believe every other running back on the roster can make that. I think the biggest factor for every RB on the roster is going to be how can the coaching staff put them in a position to succeed? Clearly they aren’t helping Lacey by running him on first down, they aren’t helping Thomas by making him catch passes, and they aren’t helping Mckissick by having him run between the tackles. There is no dominant talent waiting on the wings to be signed, what we have is probably the best available and we need to see them get used in the way that theyb are supposed to, not in an effort to be tricky and outsmart ourselves.
We should be using Lacey in pass pro and run the ball if its a light box, this way he has the best chance to get some speed up and break away some extra yards.
Rawls should be used against 8 man boxes because he has the speed to make it to the LOS.
We gotta see more draws and screens with Mckissick.
Can’t disagree with any of your points. I guess more specifically on Prosise, I have no expectations for him. If he produces, that’s great, but I’m not counting on it. If he gets nicked up again I wouldn’t be surprised to see them IR him for the season and call up Davis.
McKissick has produced much more than I thought he would. Admittedly, I didn’t think he looked explosive in preseason and didn’t think he was worth a roster spot. I’ll eat crow all day long if he continues to produce, even as just a gadget player.
Seahawks have become a passing team. The run game should adjust to that reality. I don’t expect the addition of Brown or the eventual growth of Pocic and Aboushi will really change the fact that the team is much more successful at passing this year.
What it does mean, is that the run can be mixed in with passing. Screens, draw plays, RB coming out of the backfield, how about the shovel pass up the gut? There are lots of ways to use a running back. Overall I think the team should dial down running plays and use them just enough to keep the defense guessing.
Finished re-watching Houston game focusing on Odhiambo and Brown…
*Brown is a mountain of a man with amazing balance & coordination.
*He seems to rely more on his top notch technique than he does brute power. (Although he did have knock downs against both Bennett and Reed.)
*Speaking of technique, he is amazingly consistent about walling off defenders. (Have to admit, it was funning to watch Wags & Kam trying to get around him.)
*Gets to the second level with ease.
That was a pretty hefty price to pay for him but it will be well worth it. There are similarities with the Freeney signing. Not only does he add an instant upgrade, but he and Freeney add a professionalism in the locker room and for their position groups. Both should be tremendous mentors for the next generation of Seahawks.
If they can keep him for 3+ years, it will end up being a steal. He’s 3 years younger than Withworth for whatever that is worth.
This draft is pretty awful for all positions besides running back.
I say we STAY in the first round, pick up a Clelin Ferrel, Austin Bryant, Harold Landry or Duke Ejiofor, and then pick up a runningback on day three (Rashad Penny, Lavon Coleman, Kamryn Pettway etc)
Sounds good, that’s probably our most glaring need.
I really think this is another year where Seattle spends their first pick on a running back. I’d be pleased with Nick Chubb. Chubb/Carson/Prosise is a very good trio. I know we take shots at Prosise’s body, but P-Rich had all sorts of injury problems his first few years and now he’s one of the tougher guys on our team. Give Prosise a chance.
Id be happy with Chubb, also like Damien Harris from Alabama as well. Id really like to see this offense with a healthy CJ Prosise. I think it could be dynamic.
It’s going to be so nice not to have to focus so much on the draft on the O-line. This deal, even losing a 3rd rounder, increases the Seahawks flexibility when it comes to the draft. O-linemen under team control for 2018: Brown, Fant, Ifedi, Glowinski, Pocic, Britt, Odiambo, Roos, Battle.
One thing to consider as well is this deal decreases the chance Joekel will be brought back to the Hawks and based on the terrible free agent market for LT’s again, he could get enough money to bring Seattle a comp pick in 2019. May not be a 3rd rounder, but possibly a 4th or 5th.
This also nearly guarantees that if Seattle let’s Sheldon Richardson walk, we will be recouping a comp pick for him. Remember if we had signed a tackle in free agency such as Nate Solder, we would likely not have been eligible for comp pick for Richardson as we would have gained someone of similar contract.
Seattle is no longer forced to pick O-linemen with their top pick in the draft, can move down to where ever they want without having to force a pick.
I feel the O-line is stabilized for now. What will the focus be with the top pick of the draft? WR if P Rich signs elsewhere, DL since Avril is an unknown and S Rich likely gone, DB with several of our guys nearing ends of contracts? The possibilities are now endless and not forced to go after an overrated OL (in free agency or draft).
I said t the other day… Drop Lacy and bring up Davis!!!
To make room for the returning Jeremy Lane and complete the Duane Brown trade, Quinton Jefferson was released
Hmm I thought he had possibilities.
Hasn’t seemed the same since his knee injury. Plus, Brandon Jackson has been a pleasant surprise. There’s also the Dion Jordan possibility, who has similar size to Q-Jeff.
Apparently the news I posted was incorrect. It looks like Isaiah Battle was waived to make room for Lane.
Quinton Jefferson is still on the team. Isaiah Battle is not.