Wednesday notes: Tom Pelissero’s free agency projections

Before getting into today’s piece, a quick reminder in case you missed some of the articles published over the last few days:

Updated 2020 draft tier list
Why Curtis Weaver deserves more attention
Free agency thoughts and predictions
Thoughts on 20 potential Seahawks videos

Tom Pelissero from the NFL Network has been speaking to NFL executives to get a feel for the start of free agency. His article provides some interesting notes.

Firstly, he believes there’s a chance George Fant will receive at least $10m on the open market. The Seahawks almost certainly won’t stretch to that, so it seems there’s a decent chance he’ll be moving on:

“The market is also expected to be strong for a couple young players who have mostly been reserves: Halapoulivaati Vaitai (Eagles) and George Fant (Seahawks). Both players could command $10 million a year, and maybe more.”

Meanwhile Germain Ifedi is expected to be in the $12m bracket:

“Bryan Bulaga (Packers) is expected to do well for a soon-to-be 31-year-old right tackle with a long injury history, potentially landing in the $10 million to $12 million range. Germain Ifedi (Seahawks) could potentially push toward that same range.”

Increasingly it looks like the Seahawks are going to have to sign a cheap veteran right tackle as a draft hedge. It also looks like one of those first three picks will have to be saved for a right tackle. Luckily, this is a good looking class at the position.

How much will it cost to keep Jarran Reed?

“Jarran Reed (Seahawks), D.J. Reader (Texans), David Onyemata (Saints) and A’Shawn Robinson (Lions) could all land north of $10 million, too.”

I think the Seahawks would be willing to stretch to about $12-13m for Reed. That’s the top of the market for a defensive tackle. They love Reed’s fit in the locker room. If Jadeveon Clowney moves on, they will probably act to keep Reed. They can’t afford to lose both of their best starters on what is already a struggling D-line.

Speaking of Clowney…

“The franchise tag is likely to pick off several names here, including Yannick Ngakoue (Jaguars), Matt Judon (Ravens) and Bud Dupree (Steelers). So, if you don’t break the bank for Jadeveon Clowney, you’re looking at a group of pass rushers who could all land in the $12 million to $15 million range.”

There’s no indication teams will be willing to break the bank for Clowney. It’s more interesting to know that some of the other names are in the $12-15m range though:

“That’d be another huge payday for two veterans: Robert Quinn (Cowboys), who enjoyed a revival last season with 11.5 sacks in Dallas, and Jason Pierre-Paul (Buccaneers), who had 8.5 sacks in 10 games after returning from a fractured neck. Dante Fowler Jr. could land in that same range if the Rams don’t franchise tag him.”

$12-15m for Fowler would be a decent price in the current market. You might be able to fit that type of contract alongside Clowney. There’s also no mention of Everson Griffen, so he could be even cheaper.

Two days ago I mentioned the possibility of finding a value signing at receiver. With such a strong draft class at the position, it could provide opportunities for smart teams. Pelissero backs this up:

“Beyond Amari Cooper, who seems destined to stay with the Cowboys, the only receiver NFL executives expect to really get paid big is the Jets’ Robby Anderson. A generational WR class in the draft figures to depress the market overall, but Anderson still could land a deal in the $12 million to $15 million range.”

Meanwhile the Seahawks are reportedly meeting with recently cut T.J. Carrie. The former Browns nickel corner was popular in Cleveland. He was a John Dorsey addition and didn’t survive the regime change.

Seattle has often sought cheap value at nickel corner. We’ll see if Carrie is available at the kind of price that could solve a need for next season.

There were two significant pro-days today — Oklahoma and Wisconsin. I’ll update the post if results are revealed beyond what I have here.

Wisconsin receiver Quintez Cephus ran a 4.56 after a disappointing 4.73 at the combine. Reportedly Jonathan Taylor looked good during route running drills. There’s an extremely good chance he’ll be a first round pick and he could go a lot earlier than people are currently projecting.

Oklahoma defensive tackle Neville Gallimore continues to baffle. He ran a 4.79 at 304lbs which is great. Yet his agility testing is extremely poor. He ran a 5.10 short shuttle at the combine and while he bettered it to a 4.69 at his pro-day — that’s still a surprisingly poor time given his straight-line speed. He did jump a 30 inch vertical and a 9-3 broad after passing on both tests in Indianapolis. He would be a 2.91 TEF tester.

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  1. Jamho3

    Hmmm, some interesting stuff to take in.


  2. Nathan M

    There is a quick mention of Ifedi, actually:

    “Bryan Bulaga (Packers) is expected to do well for a soon-to-be 31-year-old right tackle with a long injury history, potentially landing in the $10 million to $12 million range. Germain Ifedi (Seahawks) could potentially push toward that same range. “

    • Rob Staton

      That was added in. The article was updated about three hours after publish. Interesting that it was added.

      • Nathan M

        He probably took a hint from the best draft blogger on the net, right here!

        I thought you might have just missed it in your sleep deprived state. Just wanted to add it to the conversation.

  3. drewdawg11

    Good information for sure. Let’s get on with this already!!! The athletic posted this article speculating on the top 100 free agents. Mostly just for fun, but some interesting notes:

    They have Clowney going to the titans, Yannick being traded to Seattle, and we sign Jordan Phillips and A’Shawn Robinson inside. Not awful, but just interesting.

    • Rob Staton

      The focus on the D-line is right for sure. But they’re not going to rebuild their D-line with interior talent. The focus will be the EDGE positions — LEO & five technique.

  4. dcd2

    Nice to see Cephus improve on that 40 time. He was a favorite of mine to watch, and I all but eliminated him after that dud at the combine. He’s still not really fast, but at least he’s not really slow either.

  5. RWIII

    I can’t believe that Jarran Reed would command that type of money. Especially when you consider that fact that he missed 6 games last year. Reed only had 2 sacks and 10 tackles. It will really be interesting to see what Reed’s contract.

    I would love to see Seattle sign Everson Griffin and then pair him up with either Clowney or Ngakoue.

    • Rob Staton

      A year ago I doubt many people imagined CJ Mosley would command $17m a year.

      Teams with money to burn could easily look at him as a 10-sack defensive tackle a year ago who missed games in 2019 and never had any flow. Suddenly, a $10-12m contract that has a get out after a year two (like a lot of these big deals have) isn’t out of the question at all. In fact, I’d say that’d end up being fairly modest.

      • RWIII

        As far as Reed is concerned Clayton was talking about a one year prove it deal. Sounds like there is a really good chance Reed will not be a Seahawk next year.

        • Rob Staton

          Everyone’s talking about everything at the moment.

          I’m ready to just see what happens.

      • Jeff M.

        Or they could look at him as an abuser with one good year, exactly as many years as he’s torpedoed the team’s season by getting suspended for domestic violence (so logically we should probably view them as equally likely going forward…). I don’t understand either how that would lead to him being viewed as a positive locker room presence or getting paid at the top of the market.

        • Rob Staton

          Torpedoed the teams season?

          My word I wish free agency would get here ASAP so we can move on from silliness.

  6. drewdawg11

    And that’s why I say don’t participate in that market for a player who doesn’t come close to earning that, even if he’s your own player. Clowney has a track record of disruptive play. His issue is injuries. Reed is just not worth it. That’s money better spent on someone else.

    • Rob Staton

      Perhaps. But what if they fix the edge rush and suddenly he’s a 10-sack player again? Not to mention his clear leadership qualities and fit within Seattle’s culture? You let him walk and it’s another hole you’ve got to fix on the D-line. And you could say sign two players on $7m and $5m for that — but that’s about what it cost to add Joeckel and Lacy. So two outside guys instead of one you know and like isn’t always ideal.

      I’m very open minded about Reed and I think we all should be.

      • drewdawg11

        The thing for me is that he wasn’t a pocket-wrecking force in the other 2 seasons before that, even when Frank had ten sacks. He’s a good, not great player who doesn’t need to tie up the cap. If he needs super talent around him to succeed, he’s not the guy to pay. You pay the guy who makes everyone else better.

        • Rob Staton

          My answer to that would be simply this — $10-12m is not a pocket-wrecking salary. If he was a pocket-wrecker, you’d be talking $20m plus. The league is moving on from old, existing price ranges.

          • drewdawg11

            $10-12 million takes our cap down to where now you don’t add two impact players for sure and now you’re cutting players to accommodate carrying an average player for that price. I get your points, but I’m not willing to risk that he’s going to have the light come on with no pressure on him to perform for a payday.

            • Rob4q

              But it won’t be a 10-12m cap hit – they will structure it however it best fits with their other plans. The point is that Reed could be brought back after testing the market at a reasonable amount so that they still have the space to add the other pieces…now if he gets a huge offer from another team, I doubt they match it.

            • Rob Staton

              No it doesn’t. Not necessarily. It’s a bit frustrating that I have to keep saying this — but you can structure deals very, very easily to limit year one cap hits.

              You could sign two pass rushers on bigger deals and their cap hits in 2020 could be as little as $6-10m (just like Frank Clark, DeMarcus Lawrence and Khalil Mack). You could front load Reed’s deal so he’s not taking up much room when the other two contracts kick in.

              Please people, stop viewing Seattle’s cap room as a 2020 lump sum where you just deduct APY every time someone signs.

              • drewdawg11

                Let’s clear the air: I know this. The point is, he’s just a guy who doesn’t deserve the money and eventually, no matter how you structure things, the bill inevitably comes due. You’ve said it yourself. It’s just silly to pay him that much money.

                • Rob Staton

                  I’ve not said it’s silly to pay him that money.

                  • drewdawg11

                    Sorry for the confusion. I was referring to the part about the bill eventually coming due when you manipulate these contracts. I’m saying it’s silly to sign him for that much money.

  7. Steve Nelsen

    Signing a veteran hedge at RT and drafting a potential starter would allow Seattle to focus free agency dollars on the defensive line.

    I have Isaiah Wilson at the top of my draft wish list for Seattle’s first pick. Do you see Prince or any of the other potential second round picks as rookie starters?

    • Rob Staton

      Any rookie starter on the O-line is going to face severe growing pains and will need protecting.

      • Rob4q

        I wonder if they consider drafting a RT of the future, a low cost FA addition and then throwing Jamarco and Chad Wheeler out there in camp to compete for the spot? Is there anyone currently on the roster that could fill the Fant role of swing tackle?

        I think Haynes is going to lock up the LG spot before camp even reallygets going. So really RT and maybe swing tackle are the only open spots…

        • Rob Staton

          If the plan is draft hedge + rookie I think you’re right — they’ll throw a few players into the competition.

        • Steve Nelsen

          Pete Carroll said Jamarco Jones will be competing for a starting job at guard and tackle. Jones played well at guard and I am confident that the winner of the Haynes/Jones competition at left guard will be a quality starter.

          With Ifedi not missing games, Jones is hard to evaluate as a potential starter at right tackle.

      • CHawk Talker Eric


        As much as I’d be in favor of taking a guy like Wilson early, it’s not reasonable to expect he’ll come in and be a year 1 improvement over Ifedi. Ditto for Cleveland or Prince or even Austin Jackson if he were to fall to 27. They’ll still want a vet hedge.

        I don’t think SEA will pay more than $10M apy for Ifedi. If he gets offers of $12M or more, he’s almost assuredly gone. I wonder if they’d pay $10M apy for Fant.

        I think I would.

        Fant has proven himself a capable starter when he spelled for Brown. He’s versatile as a swing tackle, that’s a big deal because it can free up a roster spot for another position group. Also, he’s underutilized as an eligible receiver on 3rd downs and in the red zone. That’s not necessarily a thing you need from him on a regular basis, but it’s nice to have in their back pocket to break out in a crucial game.

        Anyway, I’d resign Fant (even at $10M apy) and have him play RT while a rookie like Wilson (or maybe someone like Adeniji or Niang if SEA takes an OT on Day 2) takes a rookie season to learn the scheme, adjust to the pros and buff up in the weight room. Eventually, slide Fant over to LT when Brown is ready to move on and insert the draftee at RT. Bada bing bada boom, the OT situation is set for the next 5 years or so.

      • Hawkdawg

        Oh, I don’t know about that. Both Jones and Hutchinson did quite well right off the bat. It’s possible, just not probable.

        • Rob Staton

          You do realise you’ve just picked out two rare Hall of Famers to argue against an extremely relevant and fair point about rookie OL?

  8. Kenny Sloth

    Damnit cant go to this soccer game because of the virus.

    Til I Die means til I DIE

    At least this Atletico game is lit

  9. Bankhawk

    Rob, in an ocean of worry-you are the balm of calm! I can’t predict specific player-picks, as I’m no football savant. But hey, who can? At any rate, following you on SDB has certainly given me the tools to understand what they do, in the end, do. It increases my knowledge, and keeps the mind off the woes of the world in the process!
    Thank you, and promise us you’re looking after yourself with all this work you are putting in (sleep, and all that, y’know). Cheers.

    • Rob Staton

      Thank you — appreciate that Bankhawk.

  10. TomLPDX

    Coaching update:

    Interesting to see how these guys do. I will NOT pass judgement on Aaron (even though a lot of people have and will), he has been coaching for the past few years and for all I know he might be pretty good at it.

  11. WALL UP

    It may not be out of the realm of possibility that they do sign Fant to a 3yr 30mil back loaded contract to play RT & future LT. Duane will be 36yrs old playing the last yr of his contract in 2021. Injuries do tend to mount up on +35yr old players. Fant could switch over to LT in event that an injury does occur.

    I could see them still drafting Wilson with there 1st or 2nd pick, where by he is brought in slowly as RT as Fant shifts to the Jumbo TE position on certain plays. This could be a hedge against injury and yet planning for the future.

    Continuity is important for that OL group. Fant gets paid a fair deal that escalates as his role increases to protect the blind side, when Brown’s tenure ends. Then, 28yr old Fant will have an opportunity to have an extension still at a relatively young age of 31yrs. Fants versatility could warrant signing him for such a contract.

    • Greg Haugsven

      To me Fant is such a big piece. His versatility to play both spots is huge. Brown is aging and missed time last year.

      • Lewis

        They have had a bargain in him to this point. Pay the man.

      • WALL UP

        With the escalation of cost at the tackle position, the key thing would be to convince Fant to stay, with the hopes of playing LT for the Hawks for the rest of his career. He may not want to wait on that opportunity though, especially if he’s presented other more lucrative options.

  12. charlietheunicorn

    A year ago I doubt many people imagined CJ Mosley would command $17m a year. ~ Rob

    Note: A year ago, many GMs were willing to literally kill the Jets front office for that deal.

    • Greg Haugsven

      Especially John Schneider. Its the reason Wagz is getting $18 mill.

  13. Darnell

    “Cheap veteran tackle” is how you end up with the likes of Webb, Sowell and Joekel. I sure hope they don’t go discount shopping for their franchise QB’s protection, we’ve seen what that looks like.

    • Rob Staton

      You seem to have deliberately not included the bit where I mentioned the cheap veteran tackle would be a ‘draft hedge’.

      • Darnell

        Yes, because that approach paints you into a corner come draft day. If the OT class doesn’t fall in your favor you end up with someone from the discount rack protecting an MVP caliber qb. And do we even trust this front office to identify a competent starting caliber OT in the draft? They’ve been down that path with Carpenter and Ifedi to porous results.

        It’s very possible that the position group you’re targeting doesn’t fall in your favor. We saw that last year when they were so bent on drafting DL that they reached for a complete non-factor in Collier.

        Personally, I am not in favor of rolling the dice on Russ’s protection. Be aggressive, be assured.

        • Rob Staton

          I have to say, and don’t take this personally, but this line of thinking irks me more than anything at the moment.

          People pissed and moaned about Ifedi for four years. And guess what? They had a top five DVOA last season. Russell had a MVP caliber season.

          People go on and on about bloody protection. The offense was highly explosive, productive and successful with a player at right tackle nobody liked.

          You say be aggressive. That means forgetting any major improvements to the pass rush. Forget Clowney. Forget help for Clowney.

          Forget doing anything in the playoffs either. Because any fan who thinks the reason Seattle will succeed or fail next year is their right tackle play is having a laugh. You can’t win in this league with one of the worst three pass rush units in the league. You can win with a veteran draft hedge and a draft pick at right tackle.

          • Ashish

            If you see Hawks history, they have always had hedge by signing exp personal for (important) position before draft so their hands are not tied in draft and move around the board. Also hawks trust experience guy to starting position, unless they see something positive in training camp e.g. Russell. Just look what JS/PS did last 10 years, what Rob has mentioned is spot on.

  14. dcd2

    Rob, or anyone else… Any thoughts on James Robinson out of Illinois State? Since we’ve been talking about Jonathan Taylor quite a bit, here’s how he stacks up:

    Taylor…..: 5’10, 226, 4.39 – 40, 17 reps, 36.0 vert, 123.0 broad, 7.01 3 cone, 4.24 short shuttle
    Robinson: 5’10, 220, 4.64 – 40, 24 reps, 40.0 vert, 125.0 broad, 7.03 3 cone, 4.19 short shuttle

    He had 364 carries for 1917 rush yards and 18 TD last year. He had over 9,000 yards rushing and 158 TD in high school!

    Now, he’s no Jonathan Taylor. He’s not even likely a top 10 RB in this class, but we’ve taken: Homer (6th round), Carson (7th), Zach Collins (5th), Zac Brooks (7th), Kiero Small (7th), Spencer Ware (6th). Hawks love a late round RB flyer.

    Pauline highlighted him, along with Logan Stenberg and Hakeem Adeniji, early on last year:

    They have another article comping him to David Johnson and touting his return skills. If we pass on RB early, he’s a name to keep in mind.

    • Kelly

      Way too slow.

      • dcd2

        It’s not a fast 40, but CEH ran a 4.6 too and I wouldn’t call him slow. Robinson sure doesn’t look slow on tape. Salvon Ahmed was a 4.62 at the combine and he didn’t look slow in game.

        Carson ran a 4.58, Alex Collins ran a 4.59, Ware ran a 4.62, Marshawn was probably a 4.64 on his best day.

        40 time isn’t necessarily what the Hawks look for in an RB, especially one on day 3.

        • Sea Mode

          Actually, Beast Mode ran 4.46 at the Combine.

          • dcd2

            That’s surprising, no doubt. I just meant that he wasn’t known for his speed when he was a Hawk.

    • dcd2

      Here’s the other PFF article I mentioned:

      I’ve watched a bit of his tape, and he reminds me more of Penny than Carson. Their pro day is next Wednesday, so we’ll see if the Hawks send anyone.

  15. drewdawg11

    Joekel at $8 million wasn’t in the same class as cheap Veteran lol. What’s going to happen, perhaps is that the mediocre guys will get bigger money, and the guys like sowell will get a deal closer to what Luke made that year. They have to grab a young tackle earlier rather than alter. That’s a given. Still, you can’t throw a rookie out there without a net. Jamarco isn’t good enough to start at tackle.

  16. charlietheunicorn

    Rob and the gang

    There is a rumor going around that all NFL PRO days might be cancelled or not attended by scouts, due to COVID-19 fears. All the workouts might then be conducted via video conference or video submission to all 32 teams…. will this impact the draft significantly or will this be a minor deal compared to the process that has been put into these players prior to the last month or so leading to the draft???

    • Greg Haugsven

      There is talk of pushing the draft back as well. I hope not as it’s to long to wait already.

      • Rob Staton

        They won’t push it back. But they might move it to a studio in LA instead of being a big event.

        • Volume12

          I could care less where it is, but I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t looking forward to the prospects in attendance riding a boat from the green room to the stage.

          • Rob Staton

            Rich Eisen said during the combine the boats were just for the arrival from the red carpet. They weren’t going to get a boat to hold the jersey up etc.

    • Rob Staton

      Don’t know why they don’t do this even without caronavirus.

      • charlietheunicorn

        I think it might hurt small school prospects or div2 and div 3 guys who get a shot at these tryouts. Of course, if you have a really good scouting department, such as Seattle, there could be some really good late drafty pick-up or priority rookie free agents.

    • Lewis

      Considering the NBA just suspended their season, no telling.

  17. Volume12

    Colorado LB Davion Taylor ran a 4.39 40?!? Whew.

  18. Zeke

    Don’t know what others players numbers look like, so unsure what this really means:

    % of pressures unblocked or cleanup

    1. Judon 56%
    2. Fowler 51%
    3. Golden 50%

    • Zeke

      But the PFF guy says the NFL average is far lower than those numbers

    • Coleslaw

      Makes sense with Fowler. I really dont think hes that great. He has a nice skill set but he is not elite. I think his sack #s are really misleading. I mean the guy had 9 games with 0 sacks. Hes a speed rush specialist, and that only goes so far, as we saw with Frank Clark.

      • Ukhawk

        Wouldn’t describe Frank as a speed rush specialist – the guy is so explosive – Speed-power may be more apt.

        Personally I Wouldn’t say no to Fowler depending on the price tag. He’d be an ideal LEO IMO

        • LLLOGOSSS

          So far he’s a one-hit wonder, and that scares me. I think Pelissero is low on his market, he’ll get $17 mil per from someone, and that’s too rich for my blood. For 13-15? Maybe, yeah. But he’s a pure finesse guy, I don’t see him blowing anyone’s doors off either; he’s no Cliff Avril, imo.

  19. DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX)

    If Fant, Ifedi, Clowney and Reed get north of ten million a year, is that four comp picks in rd 3 and 4? Yes, I know, only if we do not sign other similar contracts, but if they are careful, that is a haul.

    • Coleslaw

      I would guess Clowney is a 3rd, and the rest are 4ths, maybe 5ths. $10M really isnt that much anymore. A lot of players will make that this offseason. I think those 3 would be at the back end of the 4s, or just missing that cut and being 5s.

    • Coleslaw

      Think of it like this:

      There are 10 R3 comp picks. Only the top 10 highest paid FAs will net a 3rd.

      There are 8 R4 comp picks. Only 11- 18 top paid FAs will net a 4th.

      So for us to get 3rd and 4ths out of all those guys, they would all need to be among the top 18 highest paid FAs this offseason. Not likely, but not impossible.

      • Coleslaw

        1. Tom Brady
        2. Ryan Tannehill
        3. Phillip Rivers
        4. Jadeveon Clowney
        5. Byron Jones
        6. Amari Cooper
        7. Jameis Winston
        8. Arik Armstead
        9. Jack Conklin
        10. Brandon Scherff
        11. Robby Anderson
        12. Austin Hooper
        13. Hunter Henry

        Then a bunch of guys who will all make around the same as Ifedi/Fant/Reed. Including guys like Reader, Barrett, Fowler, Anthony Harris, Simmons, Castonzo, Vaitai, Sanders, Bulaga.

        This is only including guys who I personally think will sign with other teams, but it’s probably a pretty realistic look at what their competitors will be. We could easily end up with those 3 guys making 10-12M and not netting anything higher than a 5th for any of them.

        It just depends on who gets the most money.

        • Coleslaw

          Only 5 of the un-numbered names will net a 4th.

    • Denver Hawker

      If they all leave we’ll need to sign other FAs which will net out the company picks.

  20. Michigan 12th

    I find it interesting he didn’t mention Conklin in his article. Do we think he is going to get high dollars in free agency or is Tennessee doing something with him I am not aware of, or is his stock not very high for some reason I am not aware of? If he does get a cool reception on the open market we should definitely sign him. I doubt there is any way he does not make more than Ifedi though, but I guess we won’t know anything until free agency begins.

    • Rob Staton

      Conklin will either be tagged or the Jets are going to set his market at about $17m reportedly.

      • Michigan 12th

        I figured there had to be something out there about him. Thanks Rob. Also I appreciate all the quality material you have been slamming out lately, it makes this time of year bearable. Thanks for your work.

  21. Kingdome1976

    I’ve like Fant for quite some time now. But man, 10+ million for a player who really wasn’t a starter on the line? yikes.

    I would still pay him over Ifedi though.

    • Lewis

      Yes, but he was before his injury. He also seemed to play well when he filled in last year. He’d be getting that to come in and play.

    • Simo

      Probably be a great move to pay Fant $10m/yr and name him the starting RT…but another team could decide to pay him $12-14m/yr and make him their starting LT. He’s a good age, familiar with the system, has starting experience, and isn’t a rookie.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Ideally you could get him for 2 years $15 million but that may not happen. I guess we can talk all day long but we will find out soon enough.

  22. EranUngar

    I was one of the first here to outline the possibility of two forward loaded contracts for key DL players to fit under the 2020 Cap and benefit from future cap rise due to the new CBA.

    However, there are a few things to remember that comes with this option:

    1. you would have to commit approx 200M on those 2 contracts.
    2. You would have to sign a 100M check right now. (big signing bonuses + the rest of the guaranteed money to NFL escrow)
    3. With the corona virus on the corona virus on the rise the level of security in the future may be shaken. The NFL will be negotiating the next media contracts before the season starts and empty stadiums may be a possibility on everybody’s mind…

    One Frank Clark type of contract is more than reasonable, two – not so much.

    Also – “There’s also no mention of Everson Griffen, so he could be even cheaper.” – That would be really strange considering he had a very productive year and voided his 12M a year contract himself.

    • Rob Staton

      Wouldn’t be strange at all.

      He was going to be cut anyway. He took the first move which made sense for his PR. They were 12m or so over the cap.

      The Seahawks can easily write those checks. I’m so bored of people saying what they can’t do. Do I really have to list all the things nobody predicted with this team AGAIN?

      • Ukhawk

        Some of us hear you rob!

        Bottom line is the roster is in great shape to spend and commit to add some core veteran players from this year. And this can be done by structuring the contracts to suit how JSPC wish to manage the cap in future years.

        Lots of options, sometimes surprising, can’t wait to find out their approach.

      • EranUngar

        OK Rob, with FA just days ahead of us, let make it clear:

        Do you believe that the Seahawks will sign two 16M+ a year DEs to structured contracts???

        • Tony

          Not rob, but they absolutley can.


          12, 16, 24, 22 =64
          12, 16, 22, 24 = 64

          Fully gaurenteed 2 years.
          Cut bait after yr 3, no cap hit 4th year

          Or we can alter contracts like

          10, 18, 22, 24
          18, 12, 18, 16

          Now alter that however you want. Cause APY means nothing. All that counts is gauareteed money, signing bonuses, and age of player especially when the contract ends so player has chance for a solid 3rd deal.

        • Rob Staton

          I don’t know!!!

          I don’t care!!!

          What I can’t stand is people going on about what they can’t do. They CAN do it if they want to! That’s the point.

  23. George Cooper


    If Javon Kinlaw falls to the 13-17 range, is he a player Seattle could potentially move up for? I know that would be uncharacteristic for PCJS, but he seems to be the type of player they desperately need…especially if they move on from J. Reed. Interior disruption has clearly been lacking in recent memory, and it wouldn’t be a super big jump. I know you’re a fan of his, just wanted your two cents on the thought. In a dream world I’m thinking pay Clowney, add Everson Griffen, and then potentially move up for a fellow Gamecock. Cheers

    • Rob Staton

      I wouldn’t trade up for Kinlaw

  24. Largent80

    With the NBA and even the Houston Rodeo being completely cancelled I have to wonder if there will even be a football season or even a draft at this point.

    • Rob Staton

      There’s no reason for no draft. They can just do it from each team base and announce the picks.

      The NFL season is months away. No need for any panic moves.

      • Saxon

        I will be shocked if the draft is open to spectators in Vegas. By the time it rolls around we’ll have tens of thousands of new cases. Most likely teams will make their picks remotely.

        • Rob Staton

          Yeah it’ll be in a studio

          • drewdawg11

            My buddy set up an event for everyone to go last spring and he booked his trip. Was thinking about going this week when this all came down. Just crazy how things can change in the blink of an eye.

            • mishima

              Was thinking about going to Vegas/draft, also. Now, just waiting (hoping) for Rage tour to be cancelled.

              • Tony

                I have tickets to rage in new Mexico and a show in Seattle. So bummed for this.

                • mishima

                  Same. Las Cruces.

                  • Tony

                    I’m going to Las cruces too! GA tickets. Also got tickets for their tour with run the Jewels here. I’m a big fan of RTJ.

                  • mishima

                    Same. Was looking forward to Run The Jewels more than Rage.

                    Have decided not to go, but waiting on official cancellation.


    • Georgia Hawk

      I live in Augusta and Masters is coming up in a few weeks. Lots of folks around her really nervous about how this will affect the local economy. Some businesses literally only get by for the year due to Masters week. If the patronage drops significantly, or worse isn’t allowed in at all….Its gonna be REAL bad here.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Thats the biggest problem with the coronavirus is how its going to affect the economy. Tourism is a major part of it and its stopping the flow of money, no good.

        • Paul Cook

          I love The Masters. Perhaps they’ll play it without the fans, or only a very limited amount of fans that can be screened. Who knows about anything now?

          I heard this stat this morning. We’ve tested about 11,000 people at about this time this morning. South Korea is testing 10,000 a day now.

          If we don’t get some real adult leadership soon in DC, who knows what will come of the sports world the next few months? Anything is possible at this point. We’ll see.

          • TomLPDX

            The PGA just said they will continue playing tournaments without fans for the next couple of weeks starting tomorrow at the Players Championship. Sounds like they haven’t decided about the Masters yet.

        • Jhams

          Call me crazy but the potentially tens of millions of infections and hundreds of thousands of deaths seem like a slightly bigger problem than some economic issues.

          • Largent80

            Maybe this is the planets way of saying:….yall done f**cked up, but I’ll clean it up for ya.

            • Rob Staton

              Or maybe it’s just a situation we have to deal with maturely and without any of the melodrama I’ve seen on the internet in the last 24 hours.

              • Paul Cook

                Unfortunately we have an immature president who’s the king troll of the Twittersphere himself. It’s horrible when you have such a leader at the top whose been setting such a poor behavioral example to the general public from the beginning, especially to our younger ones.

                • Rob Staton

                  Let’s keep politics off this site. I’m not interested in pro or anti Trump stuff.

                  This is a serious situation but it’s one the world can get through with a mature, modest response focusing on the views of the experts. It’s also important that life, as much as possible, goes on. Some of the stuff I’ve seen particularly from the media is bordering on panic-inducing hysteria.

      • cha

        The Masters is my favorite tournament. I hope the corona virus doesn’t hammer the local business Georgia.

        But on the flip side, I would be fascinated by a “quiet” Masters. No crowd noise, just the birds and the wind. If the networks play it right, it could be really something to watch.

  25. Sea Mode

    Tom Pelissero

    Draft sleeper alert: Oregon State tight end (and former basketball player) Noah Togiai posted a 4.69 40, 9’9″ broad jump, 33.5 vertical, 4.30 short shuttle and 7.19 3-cone at pro day. He met with the #Rams the night before.

    Also, we need to take a closer look at Trautman with that crazy 6.78 3C and 1.57 10yd split @ 6050, 255lbs.

    • Kingdome1976

      Nobody seems to mention Trautman very often but I really think he’s going to be a good one.

    • Gohawks5151

      That’s my dude! Good numbers. Also a plus blocker. Hate to see him go to the Rams though…

    • Von

      Can he play edge😜

  26. Zxvo3

    Rob, I believe you mentioned Robert Hunt from Louisiana-Lafayette a few days ago. What’s your opinion on him? Do you think he’s a guard at the next level or does he have the athleticism to play tackle?
    I also read somewhere that his teammate on the offensive line, Kevin Dotson, is receiving interest from the Seahawks. He was graded as the top run-blocking guard by PFF.

    • Rob Staton

      I think he’s probably a guard, yes. But I’d be willing to try him at right tackle too.

  27. Gaux Hawks

    Bring back Jimmy G on a cheap veteran contract? He and Russ were supposedly close…

    • Simo

      No for me! Along with a handful of other former Seahawks, the Jimmy G ship has sailed out of Puget Sound, never to return!

      • TomLPDX

        JFG has flown off into the sunset from Lake Washington. I’m sure someone will pick him up though.

    • mishima

      Brings back my first disagreement with Rob.

      Good times (seriously, been a fan ever since).

    • Volume12

      What about Melvin Gordon?

      • Greg Haugsven

        Melvin would cost to much. Personally I wouldnt want him at any price as the RB position is a young young mans game.

    • cha

      I could see Graham on one of those 2nd/3rd wave signings. As in, the Hawks have done their FA, draft and trade homework and the roster is set with some $ to spare. And Graham hasn’t found a market. And they offer him a team-favorable deal to be their “1st and goal from the 3 post up guy” to get easy TDs.

      Otherwise, no. But the way the Hawks play things, I could see that slim scenario playing out.

      • Georgia Hawk

        Stating the obvious here but its a well known fact that the Hawks First and goal play from close is a slant to WR4.

        I am ashamed that I made that joke and I will see myself out.

        • Greg Haugsven

          All jokes are welcome as that is funny. It would have been funny 5 years ago but its funny now.

  28. Graeme

    Man, Rob I need to add my name to the list of grateful followers. NFL draft season is my favorite and to be able to read so many amazing articles and listen to podcasts is so appreciated. You’re making the world a better place for a lot of people.

    • Rob Staton

      Thanks Graeme, appreciate it.

      A new podcast was recorded last night btw.

  29. Volume12

    Clemson WR Tee Higgins

    31″ vert
    10’3″ broad
    4.43 40 (also ran a 4.55)
    * I’m gonna say he’s somewhere in between at 4.50 or so

    • Greg Haugsven

      That just feels like he would be a bust. Not sure why I feel that way but I do.

      • Greg Haugsven

        I not that. Cant type today.

  30. Zxvo3

    Jordan Reed is visiting the Seahawks. This could confirm that they are in fact looking for a move tight end to compliment Dissly and Olsen. This could also confirm the speculation that they are interested in Hunter Bryant.

    • Sean

      Jordan Reed would be a home run if he can clear all of his concussion issues. He is only 29.

      • Greg Haugsven

        To me it seems like an odd visit as they have Dissly and Olsen. They could retain either Hollister or Wilson or draft someone. You wouldnt think they would keep more than three TE’s.

        • Zxvo3

          I believe they would draft Hunter Bryant if they liked him that much. I mean, we saw that point from Pete that very well could’ve been to Bryant. Also it would be a cheaper option then getting Hollister back.

          • bigten

            2nd round pick isnt cheaper. Dollar wise maybe, but not value wise.

            • Greg Haugsven

              I wouldnt mind the signing as long as it was very cheap.

  31. CHawk Talker Eric

    Has anyone discussed the possibility of drafting Chinn and converting him to CB?

    • Sebastian

      Rob mentioned he is a safety all day…

      • Rob Staton

        He’d get torched at corner.

  32. drewdawg11

    It’s a “no” for me. He’s never healthy. Leg/ankle injuries as well. Dude was once a promising and talented player, but we saw enough injuries last season.

  33. Greg Haugsven

    What odds do people give that we will have one of Clowney, Ngakoue, or Fowler on our team? Also what are your odds we will have two of them?

    • Kingdome1976

      I guess at this point I would give it an 80% for 1 and 40% for 2.

    • mishima

      I’m a downer: 20% chance on 1; 5% chance on 2.

      • Kingdome1976

        I certainly hope you’re wrong mish

        • mishima

          Reed + 1 of Quinn/Griffen/Beasley.

  34. Sebastian

    Would Mike Hilton(26yr)be an option at Nickel? Caused some serious problems in week two at Pittsburgh. PFF has him as the 18th best corner in the league. One spot after Byron Jones. 55% completion rate (60% in 2019). 18 QB hits and 22 TFL in his career so far. Only eight missed tackles in the last two year. There is some speculation he will not be retained due cap issues. You guys like him?

  35. BaNosser

    Rob.. Sooner fan here.. Regarding Gallimore… He ran a 5.01 short shuttle at the combine.. not a 5.10.. typo I’d guess.. regardless still very disappointing. Thankfully he did improve quite a bit but was hoping he’d get it closer to 4.5 at OU’s pro day… He was double teamed most of the game vs LSU.. as they had no one else to really worry about on OU’s Dline… He still managed more tackles than Chase Young did in OSU’s playoff loss to Clemson…
    Thanks for all you do.. very much appreciated!

  36. Shawn

    I have seen speculations of Clowney going or staying, getting Ngakowe or not. With the picks we have and the cap space we have along with Wizard John’s capabilities, would it be reasonable to expect that they can retain Clowney, add Ngakowe, and add one other piece as well (say Griffin or Campbell) and make the team weakness suddenly a team strength? (Not sure in the above scenario they would be able to keep Reed but if they could, even better.)

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