Trade deadline thoughts & a new top-50 draft watch-list

Darius Slay wasn’t happy about the Quandre Diggs trade

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Possible trade targets?

It’s interesting to see who is/isn’t practising this week — and who is/isn’t likely to play this weekend. It’s too close to gameday for a deal to be completed before Sunday. With the deadline on Tuesday, however, it’s possible teams (and players) won’t risk any potential deals for the sake of one more game.

We’ve already spent a ton of time talking about O.J. Howard. He didn’t practise today and has already been ruled out of Tampa Bay’s game against Tennessee. He remains the best possible target for the Seahawks. They need a tight end who can block and provide a dynamic weapon to replace Will Dissly. He’s under club control for two more seasons, is at a good age, has a high ceiling and would be an investment for the future not just the rest of 2019.

The only problem is price. If the Bucs were in selling mood he’d have been dealt by now. Clearly they want a good price, having already reportedly rejected an approach from New England. It might cost a first round pick to get him, or at least a second and change. Are the Seahawks willing to go that big for him? Is anyone?

Adding Howard would re-energise the offense. It would provide Russell Wilson with another weapon. It would give the Seahawks major security with Dissly out with his second long-term injury in the space of a year. It’d address a key off-season need months before the end of the current season.

It’d be an ideal fit — as long as the price is right. It’s hard to project what makes sense though. A second and a fifth would seem palatable — but is that enough for the Bucs? Do they want a first?

Tyler Eifert has been suggested by some as an alternative. His injury history and suspect blocking makes a deal unlikely I think. The Bengals, for some reason, also seem determined to hold onto all of their assets. Austin Hooper would be a good option in Atlanta but considering he’s on pace for a 1200-yard, nine-touchdown season — he’s the type of player the Falcons should be trying to keep not trade away.

The secondary needed bolstering — as shown by the recent Quandre Diggs trade. Pete Carroll insisted yesterday it was simply a response to the injury issues with Lano Hill out and Bradley McDougald suffering with back spasms. Yet we all know they needed more. The Diggs deal was a perfect storm — a good price, a deal to be made with little long term risk.

Diggs’ team mate Darius Slay hasn’t taken the trade particularly well. When asked about it yesterday he said he’s feeling “like s**t” before adding, “Anybody can get traded. I personally wouldn’t care.”

Today, he didn’t practise due to a hamstring injury and has been declared out for Sunday’s game against the Giants.

According to some Lions fans, Slay hasn’t performed quite as well this year as previous seasons. The entire Lions secondary has seemingly taken a step back in 2019. Yet there’s no doubting his talent. In 2017 he had an eight interception season. Last season he had three picks and he has one so far this year. The Seahawks are crying out for a defender capable of that kind of turnover production.

Slay is a bit older than Diggs and turns 29 in January. He’s contracted through 2020. Could there be a deal to be done? Possibly. It depends on how the Lions feel about their cornerback depth. They moved Diggs to promote their younger players. Their corner depth on paper doesn’t look great. Trading both players would be an admission of the white flag coming out.

Yet the Lions are being run by the Michigan branch of the New England Patriots. The Pats are never shy on moving a player who isn’t all-in (see: Michael Bennett). Slay has seen Diggs move out and we’re living through a time where player power has never been stronger. You can force trades in the modern NFL. Will Slay do that now? Was missing training today the start of that process?

He’s 6-0 and 190lbs with 32 1/4 inch arms. He ran a 4.36 at the combine in 2013 and jumped a 35.5 inch vertical. He has the length, athleticism and production Seattle would surely love in their secondary.

It’d be harsh on Tre Flowers considering he’s just had two of the best games of his career. The Seahawks may wish to continue his development — and their scheme doesn’t call for big investment at the cornerback position.

If there was an opportunity to prize Slay out of Detroit at a bargain price, however, why wouldn’t you consider it? And with Diggs and Slay on board, it would potentially fix some of the flaws on the defense.

Some may suggest Chris Harris Jr to play in the slot. I just think, rightly or wrongly, the Seahawks are committed to playing their three linebackers this year. Whether they’d spend a decent pick for a nickel corner who is 31 next June and wanting a new contract is a big question mark anyway.

The pass rush, of course, still needs major work. Most of the options out there are either expensive reclamation projects (Vic Beasley, Leonard Williams) or older veterans (who might cost a lot in terms of picks). If there was an opportunity to get Geno Atkins on the cheap, great. Mike Brown (the most stubborn owner in the league) isn’t going to play ball, however. The Bengals need a rebuild. The owner, for some reason, is refusing to budge.

Perhaps even more important is gaining some speed off the edge. The Seahawks are big in their front seven but lack dynamic quickness. Short of taking on Beasley’s massive contract after years of below average production, this feels like a need that’ll be addressed in the off-season. Finding some EDGE speed is a must though.

As for selling — I’m not sure there’s much scope for players moving out. Ziggy Ansah has provided very little but is surely immovable at this stage even for a seventh rounder or a player-for-player exchange. It wouldn’t be the worst idea to move on if possible and try and add a different pass rusher — but this has a feel of the Seahawks having made their bed and now they’ll have to sleep in it in 2019.

Some will question the possibility of trading Rashaad Penny. I don’t agree with the criticism of Penny or the pick itself. He was a dynamic playmaker at San Diego State in all three phases (runner, returner, receiver). His combination of size and speed surely gave the Seahawks the impression they could add a player capable of being a poor-man’s Todd Gurley. If you check his stats when he has played — they look good. He has provided glimpses with some special, highlight-reel plays. Unfortunately he doesn’t seem to be adapting to Seattle’s scheme and he’s had injury issues.

I don’t think the Seahawks will give up on him this early. Especially given their preference to run a lot. You don’t want to be relying on C.J. Prosise as your principle backup and the only other runner on the roster is Travis Homer. The only way I think they should entertain trading Penny is if Chicago was willing to broker a deal for Mike Davis to return to Seattle.

If that was possible and a team was willing to pay a third round pick, it might be worth considering. Penny was coveted in the 2018 draft. So much so Detroit tried to trade for him immediately after Seattle made the pick. The Lions just lost Kerryon Johnson for the season and could be a possible trade partner. There would be others. Penny’s stock won’t be any higher than a third but teams who liked him 18 months ago are unlikely to be writing him off after so little game-time for the Seahawks.

Who knows — maybe the Lions would even be willing to make a deal involving Slay and Penny?

It should be an interesting few days. The Seahawks aren’t likely to be making any knee-jerk aggressive moves to ‘win now at all costs’. Calculated moves that can help now and in the future, however, make sense. Diggs was a good example. If they can add a tight end and/or another defender before Tuesday — they will be in good shape for the rest of the year.

As with the Diggs trade, there’s always a chance of a surprise or two.

Updated top-50 2020 NFL draft watch-list

I’m currently on holiday in Dubai so won’t have access to college football this weekend so will do the usual Saturday review if I can — if not I’ll do it when I return next week. In the meantime here’s an updated top-50.

#1 Grant Delpit (S, LSU)
Delpit has the range and tenacity to play safety and the ball-skills, recovery speed and athleticism to play corner.

#2 Andrew Thomas (T, Georgia)
Supremely balanced and consistent — Thomas looks the part of a NFL left tackle. His footwork is superb and he anchors brilliantly.

#3 Jeff Okudah (CB, Ohio State)
He will destroy the combine and was a 142.56 athlete at SPARQ. Sticky in coverage but packs a punch as an open-field tackler.

#4 Dylan Moses (LB, Alabama)
Suffered an ACL injury before the season started but he’s in the Devin White and Roquan Smith mould.

#5 Derrick Brown (DT, Alabama)
A physical, tone-setting defensive lineman with the size, stoutness, quickness and ability to penetrate with speed or power.

#6 Joe Burrow (QB, LSU)
Accuracy, poise and control in the pocket, the ability to extend plays and make the improbable happen. Burrow is starting to look like the real deal.

#7 Chase Young (EDGE, Ohio State)
Leads the nation for sacks and while there are concerns about his run defense, he’s a superb pass rusher.

#8 Isaiah Simmons (S, Clemson)
Will be valued for his leadership. Reportedly he can jump a 40-inch vertical, an 11-0 broad and run in the 4.4’s.

#9 Trevon Diggs (CB, Alabama)
Incredibly competitive cornerback who does an excellent job tracking the ball and breaking up passes. Has an injury history. Stefon Diggs’ brother.

#10 Tua Tagovailoa (QB, Alabama)
Very consistent and accurate but a little robotic and lacks the size/improvisation of Love and Herbert.

#11 Jerry Jeudy (WR, Alabama)
Lean and sudden with YAC ability and downfield talent. He jumped a near 38-inch vertical at SPARQ.

#12 CeeDee Lamb (WR, Oklahoma)
Tall, lean and highly productive. He will need to test well and there is some doubt after a so-so SPARQ performance.

#13 Javon Kinlaw (DT, South Carolina)
He’s +300lbs but carries minimal body fat. He dominated Alabama’s O-line a few weeks ago.

#14 Raekwon Davis (DT, Alabama)
Very physical and athletic — he’s 6-7 and 305lbs defender and his best football is still to come.

#15 Jonathan Taylor (RB, Wisconsin)
Some of his cuts have to be seen to be believed. He finds a crease and is capable of going through the gears to turn a big play into a scoring play.

#16 Prince Tega Wanogho (T, Auburn)
He’s 6-7 and 310lbs but reportedly runs a 4.95 and can jump 32-inches in the vertical. He can squat 560lbs and bench 415lbs.

#17 Isaiah Wilson (T, Georgia)
He’s 6-7 and 340lbs but carries it very well. Great length and power at the point of attack and capable of creating big running lanes.

#18 Justin Herbert (QB, Oregon)
Tall, mobile and with a strong arm. Herbert has all the qualities teams look for in a quarterback.

#19 Henry Ruggs (WR, Alabama)
He’s being tipped to run a 4.2 at the combine. Great catching technique — he extends his arms to catch the football away from his body.

#20 Kristian Fulton (CB, LSU)
Big, physical cornerback who tracks the ball almost as well as Trevon Diggs. Despite his size Fulton does a job kicking inside to cover the slot.

#21 DeVonta Smith (WR, Alabama)
Broke Amari Cooper’s Alabama record for yardage against Ole Miss. Unstoppable on slants, wins at the red line and is incredibly sudden to create easy separation.

#22 Jalen Raegor (WR, TCU)
Raegor ran a 4.41 at SPARQ but reportedly is capable of a 4.29 now. He also jumped a 38.5 inch vertical and can squat 620lbs.

#23 Shaun Wade (CB, Ohio State)
Former 5-star recruit who is excelling in the slot but could easily play outside. Great athlete, excellent cover corner and he hits too.

#24 J.K. Dobbins (RB, Ohio State)
The 2016 SPARQ king with an overall score of 146.76. Dobbins is lightning fast, highly explosive, tough and productive.

#25 Jordan Love (QB, Utah State)
Capable of making all sorts of throws on the run and has the arm/mobility that will appeal to teams looking for the next Mahomes or Murray.

#26 D’Andre Swift (RB, Georgia)
A big play threat with the power to get the hard yards. He looks like Dalvin Cook but with more explosive power and quicker acceleration.

#27 Laviska Shenault (WR, Colorado)
We’ve not seen him anywhere near his best so far but he’s a swiss-army knife who can score points as a runner, receiver or returner.

#28 K.J. Hamler (WR, Penn State)
A diminutive receiver who creates excitement any time he’s around the football.

#29 Tee Higgins (WR, Clemson)
Like all Clemson receivers he’s well coached, understands his routes and he competes every single snap.

#30 Nick Harris (C, Washington)
I thought he was fantastic against Oregon. Physical, bullying and he can set a tone.

#31 Tyler Biadasz (C, Wisconsin)
He leans too much and defenders often jump back so he loses balance. When he locks on he can control linemen.

#32 Terrell Lewis (EDGE, Alabama)
He’s playing very well recently but the injury history has to stall his stock a little.

#33 Marvin Wilson (DT, Florida State)
Ran a 4.56 short shuttle at SPARQ at 6-4 and 332lbs. Combines short-area quickness with extreme power. Excellent one-tech prospect.

#34 Hunter Bryant (TE, Washington)
Was the #3 SPARQ tight end in 2016 after running a 4.35 short shuttle. He’s making as many explosive plays as the top receivers in college football.

#35 Tristan Wirfs (T, Iowa)
He can lift 450lbs in the hang clean (breaking the Iowa record by Brandon Scherff). He’s also jumped a 35-inch vertical and a 9-5 broad.

#36 Yetur Gross-Matos (DE, Penn State)
Has too many disappearing acts in games but his hand-usage is very good and he can work to disengage and create pressure.

#37 Curtis Weaver (EDGE, Boise State)
Simply put — he gets to the quarterback. He doesn’t look physically amazing but his play is consistent.

#38 Julian Okwara (EDGE, Notre Dame)
He was shut down by Georgia and he’ll need to test well. However, as he showed against Virginia he can impact games as a pass rusher.

#39 Walker Little (T, Stanford)
Ran a 4.40 short shuttle at SPARQ and scored an overall 107.25 (the top score by an offensive lineman in 2016).

#40 C.J. Henderson (CB, Florida)
His tackling is inconsistent but he’s a 4.3 runner in coverage. At SPARQ he ran a sensational 3.92 short shuttle. Could be best used in the slot.

#41 Damon Arnette (CB, Ohio State)
Decent size, consistent and he can deliver a jarring hit from time-to-time. Not far behind the two other Ohio State cornerbacks.

#42 Lucas Niang (T, TCU)
Too upright and his footwork is poor leading to off-balance sets. However, he flashes athleticism and he recovers well.

#43 Jabari Zuniga (DE, Florida)
Got off to a good start this season but left the game against Kentucky with an ankle injury. Can run a 7.03 short shuttle and has 7.5% body fat.

#44 Willie Gay (LB, Mississippi State)
What a playmaker. Jumped a 39-inch vertical at SPARQ, ran a 4.26 short shuttle and a 4.53 40-yard dash. Highly underrated.

#45 Travis Etienne (RB, Clemson)
Highly explosive running back with a similar running style to C.J. Spiller minus the elite track speed. Can be a X-factor.

#46 Jake Ferguson (TE, Wisconsin)
He’s starting to impact the passing game. Ferguson has ideal size, he can block as you’d expect and he ran a superb 4.15 short shuttle at SPARQ.

#47 Tyler Johnson (WR, Minnesota)
He’s a bit of a body catcher at times but you do see high-pointing too and he’s adept at creating subtle separation on routes.

#48 Trey Adams (T, Washington)
A prototype left tackle who could go very early if it wasn’t for his injury history. Combine medical checks will determine his stock.

#49 Jake Fromm (QB, Georgia)
He’s very measured without having the fantastic physical skills and that could hold him back.

#50 Anthony McFarland (RB, Maryland)
Former 4-star recruit who ran a 4.04 short shuttle at SPARQ. Diminutive but has great agility and a decisive runner.

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  1. cha

    “Updated top-50 2020 NFL draft watch-list”

    But which version is it?

    Sorry. Couldn’t help myself.

    • Sea Mode


    • Rob Staton


      I mean…. #2

  2. cha

    Coleslaw asked about Von Miller in the last thread and it got me looking at him. I posted a reply of this:

    Haven’t watched a minute of him this year. What is his deal?
    Playing a career-high 90% of defensive snaps, and projecting seriously career-low numbers…
    2.5 sacks
    2 TFL
    7 QB hits
    0 Passes Def
    0 Forced Fumbles

    Any insight out there on him? His salary and what Denver would want back is probably prohibitive, but even then, his counting stats this year are alarming.

    • Rob Staton

      Think it’s the scheme more than anything. He hasn’t taken to it.

      He would cost too much. At least a R1.

      • cha

        Do you mean attitude/personality wise he hasn’t taken to it? Or the scheme just doesn’t allow him to collect good stats?

        Because if it’s the latter, holy smokes, isn’t Vic Fangio Mr Defense? And he has one of the best defensive players of the last 10 years.

        • Rob Staton

          I think, for whatever reason, he as a player has not taken to this scheme. It’s the first year in his career where he hasn’t produced. And it might just be one of those things. This happens sometimes.

  3. millhouse-serbia

    Nick Harris in 3rd round would be great pick. Britt is below average center with above 10mil for 2020 and I think Russ would be bennefit if he plays behind lower center and Harris is only 6-1.

    • Rob Staton

      I don’t understand the negativity around Britt. I bet most people can’t name five NFL center’s and yet Seattle has one who plays every week and you barely notice him (a good sign) and people are so eager to move on because he’s actually being paid a decent salary.

      Moving him to spend a high pick replacing him, then hoping a rookie doesn’t flame out as a year one starter, is a massive unnecessary risk. They’d be better off just starting Hunt or Pocic if they wanted to move on from Britt — but I see no reason to move on.

      • Sea Mode


        And it’s not like he’s being over-paid as a top 5 center or anything. He’s right on the bottom of the top 10 spectrum.

      • millhouse-serbia

        Yes, I would rather play Pocic than draft center…and if Britt wants to play for 5 or 6 mil then great.

        • Rob Staton

          You’re not going to get a decent center for that amount. As Sea Mode pointed out, Britt’s not even paid in the top-five. We need to be realistic about the way salaries at certain positions have changed. Britt isn’t a problem for Seattle. We should be happy to have a solid, sound center.

        • cha

          Saving $4m or so doesn’t seem like a big enough benefit to potentially destabilize the offense.

          • DC

            Last time we traded away our starting Center it didn’t work out very well. In hindsight it was effectively the worst trade of the PC/JS regime.

            What would Britt’s trade value even be?

  4. Von

    Thanks Rob, and enjoy your vacation. Any chance you could make the list your Top 64 since Seattle has 2 picks at the end of round 2?

  5. Volume12

    Is this your 1st time in Dubai Rob?

    One of my best friends from High School lives there. Works in real estate. Ever since he’s been there it’s been on my bucket list to travel to Dubai.

    • Rob Staton

      Yep, first time here. Weather is outstanding. Love the hotel. Going to the Burj on Sunday.

      • cha

        Ghost Protocol. One of the great stunts in movie history.

        Please don’t try and recreate it Rob. We love you.

      • Volume12

        Enjoy my man. Incredibly jealous.

  6. Paul Cook

    Thanks for the articles and have a good stay in the middle east.

    My stand in the draft for the Hawks is simple. Quality over quantity. Use our draft capital this year and even next to get some potential difference makers if that’s what it takes to get them. Same in FAcy. I’d rather go with mostly what we’ve (PC/JS are always good at the fill-in and practice squad type players) and add a few difference makers/potential difference makers in the draft and FAcy. I don;t want just “guys” anymore.

  7. Robbie

    Anyone see Antonio Brown’s latest tweet? A pic of him and Russ and a weird “hmm…” emoji? What???

    • Rob Staton

      Someone sent him the (old) pic and he simply retweeted it with an emoji implying he’d be up for signing with the Seahawks.

      It’s no news really. A player on the outside looking in, probably wanting an opportunity. He won’t be signing with the Seahawks.

      • Kingdome1976

        Until he does. 1 year 5 million prove it deal for AB? Anyone? lol

        • Rob Staton

          They’d have to spend the year justifying the decision for obvious reasons. Then there’d be the inevitable need to get him the ball to justify the decision. Cannot see them going anywhere near that.

      • Uncle Bob

        Earlier this year I had a malignant tumor removed from a kidney. I have the same amount of enthusiasm for AB being a Seahawk for much the same reason. I hope you’re correct.

  8. Troy

    Enjoy Dubai Rob! I will be really curious to see if we pull the trigger on any more trades, TE and pass rushing DE def appear to be needs at the moment. At the same time, I for one would be happy using our bevvy of picks to address needs starting 2020 and beyond, I really want us to use our 3 picks in the first two rounds to add some difference makers. Don’t care where really, just that the can come in and have an impact right away.

    • Rob Staton

      Thanks Troy!

  9. Uncle Bob

    I can understand the desire to attempt a replacement for Dissly, but the options don’t appear plausible for a good blocker who is also a good receiver. I recall that when Graham was freed to leave there was much moaning in fandom about “Oh no, how are we going to replace his 10 touch downs?” Well, that season Russ raised his own passing TD record by, in part, spreading the ball around to multiple receivers. If we have the chance to get a very solid blocking TE (if the good combo guys aren’t affordable/available) then I’d vote for that. It would take a little rescheming, but there are pass catching alternatives on the team to pick up that portion if the pass pro is helped.

    • Rob Staton

      O.J. Howard is a tremendous blocker, especially in the running game.

      I think this is important in the context of 2018…


      Doug Baldwin — 5
      Nick Vannett — 3
      Ed Dickson — 3
      Will Dissly — 2

      So while last year they replaced the 10 TD’s from Graham (thanks mostly to Tyler Lockett’s 10 scores), they’ve now arguably lost another 13 TD’s this year. And while D.K. Metcalf has come in, they also had five touchdowns from David Moore and five from Jaron Brown last year. They will need to make those 10 up again this season and they still have to make up the numbers above.

      Wilson has lost a lot of weapons and this year it really is on him to be the almost sole X-factor for this team. For me they need to do something here to support him. And I think they will.

      • icb12

        I think one could argue that not only do they need to make up those lost TDs, but they need to add to them as well.

        Any thoughts on Delanie Walker? If the titans are ready to move on from Mariota, Tannehill isn’t any better. Are they going to tear it down? Would they take some draft stock to move a player who isn’t really doing much in their current system, and they seem pretty high on the young guy (smith?).

        Yeah, he’s a vet, without the upside of Howard for sure. But he’s consistent, reliable, blocks, catches. Got the ankle injury currently. Pro Bowl TE and I think he’s got gas in the tank.

        • Rob Staton

          He’s 35 though and currently injured. It’d have to be minimal comp.

      • Uncle Bob

        We may be getting a little pessimistic on the passing game if I see the math. Last year they had a total for the season of 35 TDs, a record IIRC. Thankfully Diss doubled his number before injury out. We’re one game shy of half way with 15 passing TDs this season, so if they stay on average expect 2 more in ATL (avoiding getting wildly optimistic), which brings them within ,5 of half of last season. I mentioned scheming IF they couldn’t get the double threat TE. With Prosise and Hollister history there could be room for opportunities there even though they haven’t chosen to go that way so far. I’m not trying to make an argument that it is ideal or easy, just that there are reasonable options that will require some modest creativity. Getting a stud, dual threat TE would be the optimum, just not highly likely with what we know so far.

        • Rob Staton

          They can’t keep losing talent though and expect the production to still be there. And they’re now down Doug and Dissly and their two most experienced WR’s are Lockett and… Jaron Brown.

      • Elmer

        I believe that Seferian-Jenkins is out there as a free agent. Do you think he could help at TE?

        • Bnebs

          The idea that when someone who scored 10 td’s leaves or is injured and his production has to be replaced is silly. The Jimmy Graham example is case in point. The part people miss is that this is a team game and Dissly was very good at the non stat plays (as was Miller). We need guys like that. If OJ Howard (or anyone else) comes over and scores three touchdowns but makes the running game hum or springs screen passes or extends yac for other receivers then that is who we want. Happy Diss caught some TDs but that is not the part of his game this offense will really miss.

          • Rob Staton

            It’s not silly at all. You need talent. If you keep losing key contributors you don’t just automatically replace them with the phrase ‘team game’.

        • Rob Staton

          I think if he was an option he’d be here already

  10. RWIII

    Rob: Hypothetical question. In next years draft. Let’s say the Hawks go with OL/DL with their first two picks. Also before next week’s trade deadline the Hawks give up a 3rd or 4th round pick for Austin Hooper. Let’s say Jake Fromn is still on the board with the Hawks second pick in the second round. What would be your opinion of taking Fromn with the Hawks 2nd pick in the 2nd round.

    • Rob Staton

      It’d be a wasted pick IMO.

  11. Bigten

    Rob- think there is any teeth to the rumor that Evan engram is on the trade block? Would you give up a first for him?

    • Rob Staton

      I’ve not seen those rumours. Engram is a rare athlete and a fantastic talent but he’s also more of a receiver than blocker. I think Seattle needs someone who can do both if possible.

  12. StickyIcky

    After the Falcons game we will know where we stand. Right now I’m worried about our LT Brown if he misses this game or plays average this game what does that mean?

    • Rob Staton

      It means he needed one more week or he played an average game.

      No more, no less.

  13. Trevor

    Great writeup Rob and enjoy your vacation. Well deserved I am sure.

    I have been a Penny supporter from Day #1 but if they could trade him for say Slay and a 5th to Detroit I think you make that move.

    Then trade that 5th + a 2nd to Tampa for OJ Howard.

    That would be an ideal trade deadline IMO. Add a playmaker in the secondary and quality TE with huge upside still.

    The idea of having Dissly and Howard as bookend TEs going forward has to be appealing to PC/ JS. Think of the two TE formation options available when you have two guys who are quiality blockers and receivers. To be honest I might be willing to give up a 1st for say Howard and 3rd.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      I’d give a 2021 R1 for Howard, or a 2020 R1 with a R3-4 back from TBB in return.

      I’m not necessarily opposed to a trade for Slay, but I think Penny arguably has more value for SEA this season than Slay because (a) Flowers is starting to play better (he’s not a liability by any standard), and (b) there’s just no way SEA can rely on just Carson and Prosise with their injury history, and Homer hasn’t even had a rush attempt as a pro. Although I do a agree that Griffin and Slay would be one of the better CB duos in the League.

  14. Eli

    Baylor DL James Lynch is quietly having a phenomenal year. I think he ends up going Day 2, would love to have him on the team

  15. CaptainJack

    Is Howard a good/willing blocker?

    If he can truly be a complete tight end, and not just a passing weapon… I’d say give up the first. I don’t think there is going to be a true first round player left when the Seahawks pick anyways.

    • Rob Staton


  16. Dave

    Orlando Ledbetter, beat writer for the Falcons said that the Falcons are definitely not trading Hooper. A lot of their players are up for grabs. Vic Beasley is one of them.

  17. Pran

    Trading Penny.. a big NO. We are one injury away from hell breaks loose once u trade him.He has shown flashes of big games just different style!

    • Rob Staton

      That’s why I mentioned only considering it if they were able to bring back Mike Davis.

      • Kenny Sloth

        Rob has a soft spot for dudes who do their job and be consistent and healthy role players

  18. Dale Roberts

    Dubai? I’m soooo jealous. Planned holiday or work related? It would be interesting if you’d do a short piece on it when you return. Have fun.

    • Rob Staton

      Holiday, just for a week.

  19. CHawk Talker Eric

    Watching USC at Colorado. I would definitely be happy if they draft Shenault. He’s devastating on the move. We were just talking about how Lockett isn’t made for jet sweeps, but Shenault sure the hell is. He ran a beauty in this game. Like a bigger, taller, saner Percy Harvin.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Damn Michael Pittman continues to impress

    • Kenny Sloth

      Heart of a Lion. Watched his dad die in a freak accident at a young age.

      Imagine building around Shenault and DK for the next 4+ years

      • Rob Staton

        I’ve liked Shenault for a long time. He’s a really intriguing player. Can’t recall a player like him —- with his build and range of skills. But he doesn’t look that sudden to me. And it reminds me a bit of Sammy Watkins. The modern game is built around quickness and I can’t help but look at guys like Ruggs, Smith and Raegor and think… that’s the type for today.

        • Trevor

          Huge Shenault fan and would love to see him in a Hawks uni but I tend to agree with Rob that a Stephon Diggs type receiver seems to be the ideal WR in todays NFL.

          Still as Kenny mentioned having Shenault and Metcalf to go along with Lockett would be incredibly intriguing.

          Even more so if they trade for OJ Howard.

          WR Lockett, Metcalf, Shenault
          TE Dissly, Howard
          RB Carson, Penny

          That would be a top 3 skill postion group in the NFL for Russ to work with. Doesn’t fix the defense but the offense would score a ton of points.

          • Rob Staton

            I’m also not sure Shenault is a fit for us. They tied themselves up trying to find touches for Percy and he was the quickest player in the league. Shenault needs his touches manufactured and that isn’t this offense. This is why a player who can create easy separation with speed and get downfield would be preferable.

            • Trevor

              That is why I tend to agree with you that if the Hawks go WR early a guy like Smith who you mocked to them is a more likely pick. Still have to like Shenault’s game though.

  20. millhouse-serbia

    When ever I read somebody has a stinger i feel sick. I hope everything is ok with Tre. He is one of my favorite players on this team.

  21. millhouse-serbia

    Detroit is on RB market by reports. They were asking about Drake. I would not give Penny for pick(I mean i would but for 2nd or 1st round which is impossible) , only for player who is in same situation as him.

    And Rob enjoy the vacation.

  22. millhouse-serbia

    Rob, congrats on huuuge rugby win.

    • Henry Taylor

      Unbelievable performance.

    • Rob Staton

      Thanks man 👍🏻 It reminded me of the LOB and Marshawn watching that today. Plenty of BAMF about that performance 🙂

  23. Trevor

    When talking about players the Hawks have not been able to replace to get back to being a Super Bowl caliber roster the players most often mentioned at Kam, Earl, Beast Mode. Rightfully so all three were incredibly unique game changers who brought an edge and attitude.

    The one player though who might be the hardest to replace at perhaps the 2nd most important position in todays NFL is Cliff April and his ability to provide a consistent speed rush and pressure off the Edge. Also coming up with huge strip sacks etc.

    I think it was most evident in the Super Bowl loss to NE. In the 1st half the Hawks were getting tons of pressure on Brady and controlling the game. Then Avril got hurt and the pass rush disappeared. Cliff was a freak and when Rob talks about that all important 10yd split in the 1.5 range that is where Avril was incredibly elite.

    Frank Clark was a solid edge rusher for the Hawks but was more a combination of power and speed and while he had flashes and spurts of greatness he was not nearly as consistent as Avril in providing that constant pressure off the edge to hurry throws etc even when there was no sack.

    That’s why I really thought the Hawks might target Brian Burns or Montez Sweat last year as they were the first guys in a while to truly match Avril’s athletic speed profile with length as well. I think that is why Ben Banogu may have also been on their radar despite somewhat suspect tape and being really raw.

    With Young being a likely top 5 pick there do not seem to be a ton of pure speed rush options in this draft class. One guy I am intrigued by despite his injury history is Klavon Chaisson from LSU. I am anxious to see when he comes back from an ankle injury this week or next how he performs the rest of the year. He is the one guy who seems to have that elite athletic profile who could be there late in Rd #1 because of his injury history that could be worth a close look depending on how he tests at the combine.

    Anyone else have some speed rushers they think are worth checking out?

    • bv eburg

      Couldn’t agree more Trevor. Avrils injury is still being felt both on the field and in the locker room.

      • Trevor

        You are so right about off the field as well. A true pro in every sense of the word.

    • Eli

      I guy I’m intrigued by is Tennessee EDGE Darrell Taylor. He’s pretty raw but he has enough flashes that make you say wow. Good guy to keep in mind in a later round

  24. Kingdome1976

    What about Delanie Walker just for this season or perhaps next as well? He’s 35 and has had some injury issues but I think he would be perfect in our system. How much would he cost at that age anyway?

  25. Kingdome1976

    Bruce Arians said “If the price is right, the deal is real,” when asked about being a seller before the deadline. I have two concerns. The first is he might have bad blood from being in our division for so many years. The second concern is we are literally playing the Bucs after next week.

    If the Bucs lose this week they will be 2-5. Since OJ (Juice) Howard is not playing it could mean they have a better chance of losing. I can’t help but believe at that point Arians is considering trading OJ for a first rounder if he can. I assume he might want a shiny new QB to play with from the draft considering he is supposed to be some kind of QB whisperer.

    • Trevor

      How about Penny to Detroit for Slay and 4th. Then trade Tre Flowers and 2nd for OJ Howard,

      Basically Penny, FLowers and a 2nd for Slay, Howard and 4th.

      I really like Penny and Flowers a lot but Howard and Slay would provide this roster a lot more value this year and next.

      • Rob Staton

        They need to improve CB depth though not trade away a piece with great club control.

      • evan

        I wish we could get McKissic back from Detroit. how bout Slay and Mckissic for Penny and a pick?

  26. GerryG

    I’m starting to not like the idea of any trade. We have a solid cache of draft picks next season, even after trading for Clowney, and this team desperately needs to continue to draft young impact players.

    Even if you do get a solid TE talent like Howard, does it really make a big difference? They won’t know the offense, won’t know how to block for Russ, won’t have the connection on scramble drills. Granted with Howard at least he is under club control.

    This team is not very good on defense, Ansah has done nothing, and can’t stay on the field. Collier lost his entire preseason, and with it lost any real hope of being an impact contributor in year 1. We are one of the very worst pass rush teams in the NFL. LBs have completely underwhelmed, S is a glaring hole. I just don’t see the value in trading away the draft stock we need to finish the rebuild in order gloss over a team that can’t defend or rush the passer, and therefore not have a chance to win a playoff game.

    • GerryG

      Which isn’t to say I am doom and gloom about this team. They have managed to assemble OL depth to keep them afloat through injuries, have a young promising crop of WRs, Russ is playing all world. I still think ten wins is possible, which is pretty amazing when you can’t impact the game on D.

      • Edgar

        I would rather see a couple more picks be used on known talent before the trade deadline to fortify this year’s team than rolling the dice on next year rookies. Their first round picks are all doing next to nothing on the team currently.

        For those familiar with the show Billions, Pete Carroll needs an all night session with Wendy Rhoades to clarify his clouded vision. The rigidity being displayed is looking more and more like Mike McCarthy’s last days in Green Bay.

        • Rob Staton

          I hate this narrative.

          Everyone has the answers now.

          Pete’s out of date.

          Etc etc.

          How many times in Mike McCarthy’s last days were Green Bay 5-1?

          • Edgar

            Rob, absolutely love your site.

            It would seem evident the ingame coaching has regressed some and more than ever the Seahawks are winning with a spectacular Russell Wilson and in spite of mediocre game decisions. Squeaking out wins against the lesser teams and losing ugly to the good teams at home isn’t the look of an ascending team. The rut the Seahawks are in does look like the one Rodgers and the Packers spun around and round in for years. Only difference is Wilson never misses games so Seattle doesn’t experience the 6-10 season.

            • Rob Staton

              I don’t agree. For me it’s just another case of a trendy complaint emerging within the fan base. First it was the anti-run game stuff. Now if Pete Carroll doesn’t go for every fourth down like twitter demands he’s behind the times and he’s suddenly Mike McCarthy.

              The Seahawks are still in the middle of a rebuild and are 15-8 in that period. Which is remarkable and much more worthy of praise than Pete being criticised because he backed his kicker in a tight game last week and thus felt the wrath of Seahawks Twitter.

              And while they have won some close games, so much of the fact they actually won those games is down to the way Pete has developed this team and created a mentality to excel in those moments.

        • Dale Roberts

          I see these bizarre headlines “Is Pete Carroll killing Seattle?” and I wonder what altered reality they’re living in. Pete is the second most successful coach in the league and frankly I’d much rather watch his energy and positivity than Belichick’s cranky dictator act. Add to that the Pete and John synergy and the class they have brought to the franchise and we get the privilege of experiencing a perennial winner. Thank you Pete.

    • Rob Staton

      Trading for Howard would be part of the build though. And considering they need to add a TE in the off-season, this would solve that need now and help in the immediate too.

      They do need to add a TE. The offensive drop off last week without Dissly wasn’t a coincidence. They don’t have any blocking TE’s.

      • Kingdome1976

        Rob what do you think about Cameron Brate?

        • Rob Staton

          Perfectly decently average.

          • Kingdome1976


      • GerryG

        Yep, agreed on Howard, as I acknowledged by having a couple of years of rookie contract left. But if the price is too high (ie a first) no thanks. Even a second seems kinda high, but maybe not. I certainly agree the offense looked unrecognizable without the TE, and our only hope in house requires Brown to make it back, and a 30+ year old vet to recover from knee surgery

  27. drewdawg11

    Michael Pittman of USC has to be moving into this list soon. He’s just a big, athletic, dominant force. He took over that game last night against Colorado. He’s huge, he can post up, he can win Juno balls, if he can even run away from people. That’s a dude the Hawks could use bigtime. He’s better than DK has ever been right now.

    • Rob Staton

      I don’t see him in Seattle. He’s like a lot of CFB receivers. Big and wins in a certain way in college. At the next level he isn’t doing half the stuff he does at USC. Where’s the easy separation?

      They have their big dynamic target now. The one thing they need more than anything at WR is sudden quickness, not another big target.

    • Dale Roberts

      Does he have 4.3 speed?

  28. Volume12

    Before ya’ll dunked on me over my Jacob Eason takes, I was gonna say that there’s not a QB in this class I’m taking over Ohio St DE Chase Young.

    Not even sure that dude should still be playing. That’s how dominant he’s been. He’s proved his value and done everything he can do for his stock.

    • Volume12

      Wisconsin EDGE/LB Zack Baun starting to show out too.

      • Volume12

        Just in on everything.

    • Eli

      I think if Miami is picking #1 they have to consider it – their team is such a dumpster fire that unless they 100% think Tua or Burrow is THAT DUDE, they should just take the best player on their board. Chase Young is playing incredible today.

      • Volume12

        Sure they should consider it. That team is so far off though that they’ll be right back in the top 3 for 2021. And I’m taking Justin Fields or ‘Sunshine’ over Tua or Burrows.

      • Henry Taylor

        Would be an interesting move to load up with talent with all their picks for a year and set themselves up with a team that a young QB has a shot at being successful with. I am also sceptical about all the QBs in the class and I agree Chase Young is a special talent. Josh Rosen might even have a chance if he ever plays for a team that’s not completely incompetent?

        • Volume12

          I’m curious if we get an Eli Manning situation with Miami this year. I kinda doubt it, but its gonna happen again one of these years.

          • Henry Taylor

            It totally could, playing for this Miami team right now could be a career ender.

        • Eli

          I think it’s definitely worth seeing what Rosen can actually do with decent talent around him and while he’s on a mega cheap contract. They could also go out and get hometown kid Teddy Bridgewater in the off-season and build around him. Lots of interesting options.

  29. Volume12

    lmao. Ohio St QB Justin Fields has them Roger Craig catfish eyes.

  30. Volume12

    Urban Meyer: 10-0 is huge. That’s a 2 score game in this weather.

    Me: 10-0 is a 2 score game regardless of weather coach.

    • cha

      That’s some Booger level analysis.

      “3rd and 14, they need a good play here to get a first down.”

    • Trevor

      Meyer is a Pete Carroll at USC level recruiter but I am not a fan of him as an analyst at all.

  31. CHawk Talker Eric

    Wow! What a throw/catch by Coan to Taylor!

    Between Okuda and Wade too! Unbelievable!

    We got a good ‘un in the Shoe!

  32. CHawk Talker Eric

    I think that was a catch but what do I know 🤷🏻‍♂️

  33. CHawk Talker Eric

    Hard to argue against Chase Young being the best player in CFB period.

    • Rob Staton

      He’s a top prospect but not sure I agree with best in CFB overall.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        He’s making his own case today

    • Kingdome1976

      Personally I think that says something about the top end of the draft this year. I can’t think of more than 3 players this year that I would be excited about if my team was in the top 15….Young, Delpit & Thomas.

      • Henry Taylor

        I’d be pretty excited about Juedy, Okudah, Brown and Kinlaw. All elite prospects imo.

      • Coleslaw

        Agreed. Seems to be a smaller than usual top tier, with deeper than usual 2md tier. And a bunch of QBs doesnt hurt.

    • Bigten

      Already lead the country in sacks, and added 4 today with 2 forced fumbles. Against a very talented online and team. He was making plays all over. I am an alumn of OSU, so may be bias, but really hard to argue with his performance today. I see him having a higher ceiling than either bosa. And since you disagree to an extent Rob, who do you see as obviously better than him?

      • Rob Staton

        Trevor Lawrence for a start.

        • Bigten

          Maybe I just haven’t seen enough of him, but when I have, I wasn’t as impressed this year. Think he is a clear favorite for 1st overall next year and going to be a star in the NFL, but with a 14/8 TD to interception ratio this year, isn’t even the best QB stats. Hurts with 500 more yards and a 20/3 ratio, fields has similar yardage but a 22/1 ratio, tua with 600 more yards and a 27/2 ratio, and burrows with 1k more yards and 29/3 ratio. Maybe I answered the question myself, Burrow has been a game changer this year and leading his team. So any of them could arguably be better college player along with others. Statistics aren’t everything, but when it comes to being the best player in college football, I would think it would be.
          But I trust your assessment, and bias of just watching him destroy Wisconsin makes the feeling exaggerated even more. Just wish we could have a shot at him in the draft. Great talent.

      • Dale Roberts

        Dulpit. Young has also experienced injury issues and like or not that is part of the equation.

  34. Henry Taylor

    I think JK Dobbins might be my favourite back in this class.

    • Rik

      23 touches for 220 yards against the top D in college football.

    • Coleslaw

      I’m a big fan of Dobbins. He reminds me of Kareem Hunt. Especially in the passing game. But D’Andre Swift is my favorite in the class personally

    • Tecmo Bowl

      Agreed Dobbins looks like RB1.

    • StickyIcky

      I was impressed with the Ohio state OL we got Knox on IR he was 3rd team Big ten who was starter last year. We have Simmons, Hayes, and Knox back next year to play G.

  35. Volume12

    Kinda think that Oklahoma QB Jalen Hurts is gonna be a fascinating eval.

    • Kingdome1976

      Ya, I think eventually he will end up being a top 20 pick.

  36. cha


    • Kenny Sloth

      Nice to see him acclimating to the physicality of the EPL. Can’t wait to see how he responds to more minutes.

  37. Nathan W.


  38. Kelly

    Been a glaring need for awhile. But Seattle needs a true presence in the middle of the defensive line. I understand they are hard to come by and it’s not for lack of trying(Sheldon Richardson). But this defense is never able to push a pocket into a QB’s face. I really feel like this needs to be KJ’s last year in the starting lineup. He is just too stiff and slow. Heck even Wagner looks like he’s lost a step. Raekwon Davis and Willie Gay sound perfect to me. I do hope we keep Clowney and Collier can develop next year into what Pete and John saw in him. I wouldn’t even mind trading some picks to go up and get Davis. Even future picks. Clowney, Ford, Davis, Collier on the D-line? Barton, Wagner, Gay at LB? I think we are okay at corner. Griffin and Flowers have been playing pretty well as of late. I would like to see what Blair and Diggs look like at Safety. I’m honestly not very high on Hill, Thompson, or McDougald.

    • Dale Roberts

      Reed had ten sacks from the middle last year. How is that not pushing the pocket and being a presence?

      • StickyIcky

        Q. Jefferson has been out hopefully everyone will be ready to go when we play SF

  39. Trevor

    Say what you want about Urban Meyer but he left that Ohio St program stacked with NFL prospects.

  40. Trevor

    Ohio St have 2 of the top 5 prospects for this NFL draft with Chase Young and Jeff Okaduh. Might even be #1 and 2. I agree with Rob that Delpit, Thomas and Jeudy are right there as well but for me at least those are the clear top 5 in this draft then another tier begins.

    Every game I have seen Ohio St play this year they just look on a different level athletically to their competition. Really anxious to see how they stack up to LSU/ Alabama/Clemson because when I watch the tape they look the fastest and most explosive.

    • Volume12

      Think we’re on the same page. Starting to get the feeling that this is Ohio St’s year.

      Jeudy is overrated for lack of a better word, but is still super talented.

      How can I put this? I don’t think he’s gonna be a dominant 1-on-1, type of receiver. More of a possession, moved around the formation, will excel after the catch kinda wideout. And that’s perfectly ok. Nothing wrong with that all. IDK. He’s a weird one for me personally.

      • Kenny Sloth

        Agree with your assessment of Jeudy. I dont really see any of the Alabama WR as WR1s at the next level

        • Volume12

          He can be a WR1 in a…Pittsburgh Steeler type of way if that makes sense.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Actually yes. He can really make the most out of his touches. Smooth player. Is he a longer Amadi Cooper?

            • Volume12

              That and could be a #1 with a group of guys very similar. AB, Mike Wallace, and whoever else they had then.

              Nah I don’t think Cooper.

              • Kenny Sloth

                I guess what I’m seeing is someone who isn’t “the guy” at the next level. Maybe to your point he would thrive in an environment not dissimilar to what he’s got at Bama in an offense that has a few other weapons to draw some focus and give him the space to do what he does best

      • Dale Roberts

        I’ll remind you of your prediction next year when Jeudy is already dominating seasoned CBs as an NFL rookie. He’s a bigger Odell Beckham and he’s not a head case. He’s the definition of a 1 on 1 receiver.

        • Volume12

          I’ve heard/seen that comp and I just flat out disagree.

        • Henry Taylor

          I agree on Jeudy, elite route runner, elite after the catch. Best receiver to come out since that 2014 class.

  41. JimQ

    Rob: RE: Dubai. Are you maybe staying at the English chain – Premiere Inn, near Airport Terminal #3?
    We stayed there 3 years ago for 4 nights after a cruise from Barcelona. Dubai is the most outrageous place we’ve ever been to and after 26 cruises, that is saying something. So many neat things to see.

    The Premiere Inn has a 24-hr shuttle to terminal #3 that runs promptly on the half hour, they drop you off within a 100 yards of the monorail entrance and with a cheap day pass ($3-$4) you can ride all day (including all city buses), hop on and hop off and really see a lot of the City. This must be public transportation at it’s very best & everything is so sparkling clean. Lots of very friendly folks there too, we were asked to dinner by two different strangers while on the monorail, we think they wanted to practice their English. We would go there again in a heart beat, I’m very sure you and your family are enjoying it and you’ll be going back without a doubt. Dubai should be on all bucket lists.

    • Rob Staton

      No we’re in a hotel near the center about 5 mins from the Burj.

  42. Volume12

    Oh baby. OK St WR Tylan Wallace did these cats dirty!

    • Kenny Sloth

      👀 that balance

    • DC

      V, if you were picking a WR with our 3rd round comp pick who do you like in that range?

      OU picking up an L today. Are you starting to dream Kenny?

      • Kenny Sloth

        Not getting too ahead of ourselves, but yeah, Oklahoma going down, Auburn LSU and Bama all playing eachother.

        If we can pound the rock and not give up too many big plays maybe some magic happens.

      • Volume12

        Tough to say right now w/o knowing who has and hasn’t declared. But Wallace would be on my hypothetical board. Penn St’s KJ Hamler (probably isnt there at that point). W. Forest’s Sage Surratt. Florida St’s Tamorrion Terry (only a R-SO). S. Carolina’s Bryan Edwards. Wazzu’s Easop Winston.

        Maybe Arkansas St’s Omar Bayless? Haven’t seen enough though.

      • Eli

        A guy I’m hearing who has some real helium is Boise St. WR John Hightower. Could go in that range.

  43. Kenny Sloth

    Stingley 😮

  44. Coleslaw

    That was a beautiful throw by Burrow. Looked so calm and smooth going through his mechanics and progressions. Dropped a dime after looking off the D til the very last second while coordinating that with his throwing mechanics perfectly. Just love to see it.

    • Coleslaw

      He just looks like a natural. Damn near NFL ready. Once he learns NFL offenses I dont see any limitations on this guy. I think hes the real deal.

  45. Volume12

    Seahawk scouts @ the Towson/J. Madison game. Must have their eye on someone at J. Madison.

    @ ND/Michigan and I beleive Wazzu/Oregon.

  46. Paul Cook

    I’ve decided that I want the Hawks to move up in the next draft and get either Grant Delprit or Chase Young.

  47. charlietheunicorn

    Let’s say you have a top 5 pick in 2020

    Who would you pick from #1 to #5….. purely talent, not necessarily based on need or projected team at that spot????

    As for teams… the Bengals could go a number of directions as could the Redskins…. and both are destined for top 5 picks. The Dolphins are a true wild card to me…. they could use a QB, but I’m not feeling it at the #1 spot for them, if they get they pick. I think a couple of the QBs that come out this year could be decent or good, but if they are on a horrible team (bad talent on the team) they could be wrecked in their development. Miami is example #1 of this… it will take 3-4 years to rebuild the talent on the team to make them competitive let alone playoff caliber. The Browns also should be much better than they are right now, the HC is going to get canned. Maybe McCarthy shows up with the Browns since him and Dorsey have had a good / successful relationship previously.

    • Volume12

      Right now? Chase Young, Andrew Thomas, Grant Delpit, Jeffrey Okudah, Javon Kinlaw/Derrick Brown (flip a coin between those 2)

      • DC

        Those are the exact 5(with tie breaker) I’d pick for the Hawks.

    • Dale Roberts

      Do I need a QB? My top three are Delpit, Thomas, and Jeudy. I omit Chase Young because I don’t think he’ll be able to stay healthy in the NFL. I also like Javan Kinlaw at just a notch below.

    • Awsi Dooger

      The best player is Tua. If the Dolphins have the top pick it will be Tua.

      Too much thinking going on. Too much watching. Too many changed opinions. During the 24 years I spent in Las Vegas that was the ruination of every handicapper. The ones who stuck with a long term foundational scope did fine. But the sportsbooks were giddy at the prospect of the other type, the guy who watched every game and was open to changing his opinion on everything.

      That guy had no chance. And the same applies to personnel. Don’t make it more complicated than it needs to be. If Tua was rated highest in June and Burrow wasn’t being mentioned at all then it is favoritism to play out that way. Everything tends to drift back to the beginning. One of the moronic mistakes that these teams make is to elevate someone in the late going and use a brief snapshot to make early round picks instead of lifelong pecking order realities.

      • DC

        See Mitchell Trubisky.

        Da’ Bearsss…

      • Rob Staton

        “Never change your mind whatever the circumstances” is a foolish approach to take.

        For starters, Russell Wilson tremendously improved his stock in his one year at Wisconsin.

        And I personally never thought Tua was the golden goose everyone said he was. I’ve always said the same thing about him. And I don’t think he’s the franchise saviour a lot of people have painted him to be.

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Couldn’t agree more about Tua. I just don’t see the hype. Bama proved today he’s not the reason they’re a powerhouse (as if we didn’t already know).

          Seems to me he’d be a middling QB on a roster like Utah, which I use as an example because if Jordan Love was Bama’s QB he’d probably be the consensus #1 pick.

          • CHawk Talker Eric

            Drat that was meant to be Utah St.

          • Rob Staton

            I tend to agree.

            And Joe Burrow is so good manipulating the pocket, throwing with accuracy, elevating his team to a new level. It’s incredible what he’s doing at LSU. It’d be daft to write that off because he’s taken a step forward in year two. Burrow for me is increasingly showing he’s the real deal. The big question now is whether he can do it vs Alabama, can he lead LSU into a playoff run and truly show his ability.

      • CaptainJack

        Rob has mirrored similar sentiment in the past, about overthinking players.

        However, “everything comes back to the beginning” doesn’t always apply. Should we judge Tom Brady based on what he did in college? More recently on the Hawks, should we judge Dissly based on his first year going from defense end to tight end?

        • Rob Staton

          There’s definitely overthinking, usually when a player returns for another year. Deshaun Watson is a classic example. People forget how much hammer he got from the media and Twitter for a so-so final regular season at Clemson. That was overthinking. There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging improvement though and clearly Burrow has improved. I’ve not changed my view on Tua though. I’ve never seen a franchise changing player. I like him and will understand if he goes first overall. But he’s not Luck and he’s not Lawrence.

  48. DC

    Hoping for another Coug miracle. Make it 5 straight por favor!

  49. Eli

    Oregon RT Calvin Throckmorton is gonna be a good one

  50. Kenny Sloth


    • Aaron

      Oregon had 1 minute left with two timeouts and WSU thought this would end any differently than it did??? They gave them too much time. I don’t get why teams in that situation try to bleed the clock out more or force the other team to use timeouts. Seen that far too often in the NFL and NCAA-F.

  51. CHawk Talker Eric

    Don’t know how many underclassmen RBs will declare for the draft next year but it could be a bumper crop at that position. Just like WR.

    Dobbins had a banner day. He’s probably the top RB in the class, though I still like Taylor.

    Etienne had over a 100 yards on just 16 carries vs BC.

    CJ Verdell had an insane 257 yards on 23 carries vs the Cougs (what a finish to that game!).

    Both DJ Williams and Edwards-Helaire had 130+ yards in the AU/LSU game.

    And Joshua Kelley ran for 164 vs ASU. I have a feeling about Kelley as a Day 3 pick for SEA. His measurables are exactly what Carroll likes in a RB.

    • Rob Staton

      Edwards-Helaire has got some Ray Rice ability.

    • Eli

      Michael Warren is my personal favorite in this years RB class

  52. millhouse-serbia

    And here we go…they will trade him imo…as I said 10days ago, Pete sounds to me like he is not happy with Penny anymore…

    • Rob Staton

      As I wrote on Friday, any deal will surely also come with a subsequent move. I would think there’s a chance they can bring back Mike Davis.

      And this will only happen if a team ponies up. They won’t give him away. A R3 pick is the absolute minimum they should be asking for.

      • millhouse-serbia

        With one take I agree, with other not so much. Yeas, 3rd round pick is minimum.

        But I don’t think they will be in a hurry to bring in some new face. There is no one two punch in Seahawks backfield. It is all about Carson, and Promise is more than solid back up. Yes I know about injury history but they are healthy for now. Is something happen then they will need to do something.

        • Rob Staton

          It’s not about a 1-2 punch. It’s about there being absolutely no way they can trust Prosise to be the primary backup. No chance. And Davis would be cheap and knows the system.

          • D-OZ

            It will be telling if we see a cameo of Prosise and Penny today…

            • D-OZ

              I wonder if they bring back the Bama RB? P.S. Maybe?

              • Rob Staton

                They’d be so much better off acquiring Mike Davis. He produced for us and was good last year. Chicago aren’t using him. They could probably do it for a 2021 7th.

            • Rob Staton

              If Penny isn’t active or doesn’t have a carry it will speak volumes and tell us all we need to know.

              If there’s a deal on the table I’d make him inactive. But they might need to show an interested party he’s still part of their plan to get the best deal. So even if he plays it doesn’t mean a deal is off.

              • Sea Mode

                Darius Slay is out as well, fwiw…

                Hamstring he pulled a month ago now bothering him again after he played last week…

                • Rob Staton

                  Yep… wrote about that here in this piece.

                  • Sea Mode

                    Oh, yeah. Slipped my mind that he was already declared out. For some reason I thought he was just questionable.

                    If we want to add fuel to the fire, we can note the total non-committal response by Patricia here:

                    Lions coach Matt Patricia was asked Friday whether he anticipated Slay, the team’s best defensive back, staying with the team beyond next week.

                    “I mean, we always anticipate everybody being here and we got to just go and work hard and do everything we can to get better, absolutely,” he said. “I mean, I hope I’m here.”


    • Sea Mode

      Yup. So Penny active, Prosise inactive.

  53. Rob Staton

    Penny active, Prosise not.

    Which suggests a deal is NOT close.

    But it could be an attempt to drive up price if teams are lowballing — especially if he plays well. Or it could be a sign of their intention to keep him. But Garafolo is no mug he doesn’t report rubbish.

    • Sea Mode

      And, as if on cue just 6 min. after your comment:

      Adam Schefter

      Here’s another name that bears watching as Tuesday’s trade deadline approaches: Lions’ CB Darius Slay, per league sources. Lions have gotten calls about Slay, though it would take a lot to pry him out of Detroit. But if there’s a CB-needy team out there, Slay will draw interest.

      4:51 PM · Oct 27, 2019

      • Rob Staton

        Just posted a new article discussing some of the latest trade chatter.

  54. Sea Mode

    Just a heads up for anyone in Europe who changed their clocks last night: remember that in the USA they don’t change until tonight, so games start an hour earlier than you might be expecting with the regular time difference.

    Seahawks game starts in 1hr…

  55. Sea Mode

    Looks like a flat “no” on Hooper. OJ, you’re our only hope…

    Adam Schefter

    49ers have gotten inquiries on backup QB C.J. Beathard, a name that bears some watching at the trade deadline.

    Despite Falcons TE Austin Hooper being in the last year of his contract and team being pressed against cap, Atlanta will not trade its young TE by Tuesday’s deadline.

    Oct 27, 2019

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