Open thread: Falcons vs Seahawks (plus trade talk)

The comments section has been pretty active during games this season so I’m starting an open thread this week.

Before kick off you might want to comment on reports via Mike Garofolo (through Ian Rapoport) that Rashaad Penny could be traded before the deadline on Tuesday.

I touched on this subject on Friday. So far, it just hasn’t worked for Penny. He’s had injuries and doesn’t seem to be adjusting to Seattle’s scheme. Chris Carson has separated as the clear starter. If an attractive offer became available, it makes sense to see what’s out there.

Detroit reportedly tried to trade for Penny during the 2018 draft immediately after the Seahawks made the pick. They just lost Kerryon Johnson to IR. Could they be a prime candidate to make a move? The Seahawks already made a deal with the Lions this week for Quandre Diggs.

If the Seahawks did trade Penny, they’d need to add a running back. They can’t rely on C.J. Prosise as the primary backup. With Mike Davis on the periphery in Chicago, it’d make complete sense to try and bring him back to Seattle. He’s a great scheme fit, he was productive and he’d be cheap. The Bears aren’t using him. It might take as little as a 2021 seventh rounder or some kind of conditional pick.

What could they get for Penny? Realistically they shouldn’t expect more than a third rounder. That would be fair for a player only 18 months removed from being a first rounder with no tread on the tires. He also has good club control for 2-3 more seasons.

It’s also worth keeping an eye on Tre Flowers. He’s not playing today with a neck stinger. Seahawks fans know how damaging they can be (Kam, Cliff).

With Darius Slay not playing for Detroit today, could they swap Slay for Penny? It’d be a more realistic proposition if the Lions had depth at corner. Sadly, they don’t. So unless they trade for Aqib Talib (who is reportedly available), it’s possibly unlikely. Adam Schefter is reporting that Slay could be available but it’d be a costly trade. They’d have to really like Penny to make that deal.

In other news, Adam Schefter is reporting that Austin Hooper will not be traded by Atlanta. Scratch his name off the list of targets. The Bengals reportedly want a third rounder for Tyler Eifert which is a total nonsense and they won’t get anything like that. O.J. Howard isn’t playing today and remains a realistic target (but the price is likely to be high).

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  1. Valentts

    Penny and draft picks for Lions, maybe a 1st and a 4th? Slay’s contract is a good one, basically no guaranteed money for Seahawks’ if they trade for him. But imo, the only realistic situation that trade would come through is that Tre Flowers’s neck injury is not optimistic, and Seahawks don’t have any kind of depth in CB now.

    • Rob Staton

      There’s no chance whatsoever of getting a first and a fourth for Penny.

      They’d be fortunate to get a R3.

      • Valentts

        I mean Seattle will use Penny as a part of deal for Slay…

        • Rob Staton

          Slay isn’t worth a R1, R4 AND a player.

          I’d only do the deal for a R3. He’s 29 in January.

          • Valentts

            Age is not a definite down factor for CB now, and Slay is still playing at Pro-Bowler level. I don’t think Lions would settle for only a R3 pick, but Penny and a R3 comp pick would do it. (They say that R3 comp pick is tradable now, right?)

            • Rob Staton

              Yes comp picks are tradeable.

              Seattle has shied away from big investments at corner. They wouldn’t trade a R1 for a 29-year-old corner.

  2. millhouse-serbia

    I am so afraid for Tre future. This what Rob said, we know how it ended with Kam’s and Clif’s stingers.

    • Sea Mode

      Tre is a lot younger though so hopefully will be able to heal up faster/better. We’ll see what PC says about how serious it might be.

    • Rob Staton

      I’m hoping they’re just not risking him against an offense led by Matt Schaub.

      But as soon as ‘neck stinger’ was mentioned I feared the worst.

  3. Sea Mode

    Thanks for the open thread. Great idea!

    Pasting my comment from the end of last thread, in case it can be of help to anyone:

    Just a heads up for anyone in Europe who changed their clocks last night: remember that in the USA they don’t change until tonight, so games start an hour earlier than you might be expecting with the regular time difference.

    Seahawks game starts in 45 min.

    • Rob Staton

      I once missed the first quarter of the San Fran vs Denver London game at Wembley because I forgot it kicked off at 5pm instead of 6pm due to the clocks going forward.

      Was with my wife and brother… we realised on the subway to Wembley what we’d done.

      • Sea Mode

        Oooh, bummer!

        I think I tuned in late last year to watch the Seahawks game when this happened. I’m just so used to seeing EST on and automatically adding +6 for CET.

      • Al Ussher

        I hope you didn’t miss the Tebow rushing touchdown! Tebow v Troy Smith… good times.

  4. GawksAtHawks

    How about penny and a second rounder for O.J. Howard?

    • Rob Staton

      Too expensive. Penny + a third.

    • Eli

      The Bucs don’t have a need for another RB

  5. DC

    Interesting that Prosise is inactive, potential trade for him and not apenny?

    • Rob Staton

      Maybe. But Mike Garafolo doesn’t report speculation and he’s saying a Penny deal is possible. There’s been nothing on Prosise.

      • Simo

        Prosise has no value, unless the Hawks need a bag of footballs. Penny still has that feel of promise and untapped potential. May as well trade him if they aren’t going to use him!

        • JimQ

          I agree that Penny isn’t being used as much as he should, his less than 6 carries per game average, mostly in the form of inside runs is a prime example of NOT using a player to his strengths & trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. IF Carson is hurt again, which can be reasonably possible, then what? Put Prosise, Homer or some FA scrub in? It would seem to me that if PC wants to continue his run first system, he’ll need both Carson and Penny to find much success. What ever happened to RB’s 1A & 1B Pete?

  6. Kingdome1976

    I still think in the right system Penny can flourish. How about Penny and Flowers straight up for Slay and maybe throw in a 6th rounder or something?

    • drewdawg11

      This is the exact opposite of “straight up”.

      • Kingdome1976

        I threw in the 6th rounder as a little bonus at the end. So sorry I insulted you.

    • Simo

      I like the idea of trying to get Slay, he’s a proven top CB in this league. But I think trading both Penny and Flowers for him is to steep. Both are on good rookie contracts and they are still young, growing into their potential.

      Maybe do this trade if the Lions give us back our 5th from the Diggs trade.

  7. Rob Staton

    Seahawks game is live on Dubai TV. Lovely stuff.

    Now just got to hope it doesn’t wake the kids up.

    • Sea Mode


      “It”, or dad screaming at “it”…? 😜

      • Rob Staton

        Thankfully no screaming required today!

    • SebA

      Sorry Rob, do you have the link for this?

      • Rob Staton

        I don’t it’s on Bein Sports Channel 9

        • SebA

          Oh right, thank you!

  8. Volume12

    These Falcon unis are spicy!

    • Rob Staton

      Atlanta should use these unis full time.

      Their normal ones are as dated as Arizona’s.

      • Volume12

        I’m all for the league going to the throwbacks.

        Bring back Denver’s Orange crush, TB’s creamsicle’s, etc.

  9. Volume12

    Uh oh

    • Sea Mode

      Ah crap

    • Simo

      More offensive line injuries! One constant this season.

      • Rob Staton

        Hard to see what Britt did there. Wasn’t obvious. And he walked off the field, no cart — yet looked like he was in serious pain on the floor.

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Got rolled up on by a Falcons DLer

          • Sea Mode

            I didn’t see that at all on replay. Just saw him engaged blocking and his left knee give out as he wrestled.

        • Milwaukee Hawk

          Instant crumbling of knee=instability. Suspect ACL. Guys walks off with ACL tears all the time. Sucks. As much as I respect Joey Hunt, his physical limitations are a real bummer. Wish Pocic wasn’t out for the year as would be interesting to see how he would respond to being a center vs guard or tackle similar to how Britt didn’t flourish until taking over the center spot.

  10. DC

    What a waste of a timeout.

  11. McZ

    Penny runs directly into Britt’s legs, and gone is Britt.

    • McZ

      And really, all this talk about adding just another player. Please…. we have 6-7 players upfront, that are able run defenders. Some of them are pro bowl calibre. And still, we are crap as hell against the run.

      Can we try to fix a thing, that has nothing to do with players and talent, by coaching?! Or changes in coaching?

  12. Aaron

    Per the broadcasters, Britt is out with a left knee injury

  13. Volume12

    What. A. Play.

    • Sea Mode

      Shaq’s the man this year.

      32 inch arms… 😁

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Looks like Griffin is in danger of becoming a shit down corner

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Oh the perils of commenting on a phone 😳

        Sorry. What does that say about me that Siri auto filled that word 🤷🏻‍♂️

        • Sea Mode


          • CHawk Talker Eric


      • Aaron


  14. Volume12

    God damn Carson runs hard.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Looking very BAMF

  15. Volume12

    Moore has to finish some of these opportunities.

    • Rob Staton

      Moore is sending a message in this game so far that “I am replaceable”.

      If they’re not sold on Jennings they need to take one of these red hot receivers in the draft.

      Ruggs, Smith, Raegor, Hamler — all would be electrifying in this offense.

      • Volume12

        I agree.

        Love Hamler. One of my favorite prospects. Not that I dont like the others.

      • Sea Mode

        Hopefully, he’ll be one of those guys who can break out in year 3. But either way, one of those speedsters is a must.

    • Simo

      Would be nice, but he’s a Jag. Can’t expect to much really.

      • Volume12

        I would expect him not to fall down on his own accord.

        • Simo

          Ya, that’s fair!

    • Sea Mode

      Looks like they’ve game planned to target Isaiah Oliver. The throws and routes haven’t been on the money so far, but we’ll see if it pays off later in the game to keep going at him.

    • Hawks4life

      Been thinking the same thing, hes been given plenty of opportunities and been coming up empty far to often. Almost looks as if hes looking for a PI call similar to flopping in the NBA

  16. CHawk Talker Eric

    There we go. Nice punt by Dickson. Great hang time

    • Sea Mode

      Yup, and you could hear it, just like they say.

  17. CHawk Talker Eric

    Notwithstanding that holding penalty Hunt is a right decent backup center. Valuable

  18. CHawk Talker Eric

    Oh dear I hope my previous comment didn’t jinx Griffin

  19. CHawk Talker Eric

    You don’t expect to see Clowney slip on AstroTurf

    • Sea Mode

      It’s that elusive Matt Schaub… 😉

  20. Volume12

    Blair has been a missile so far

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Haven’t seen any reason not to start him from here on.

  21. Simo

    Hawks looking a very average team so far! Still no pass rush to speak of, wonder when that’s going to come on?

    • Volume12

      Would love if they could get Yannick Ngakoue, but IDK if there’s any truth to the rumors of him being on the block.

    • Rob Staton

      I’m not having a go at the pass rush so far. Clowney hammered Schaub right before he got a pass off to Julio who showed why he’s so hard to cover. He’s a freak. Atlanta are moving him out of the pocket and giving him check downs.

      Seahawks can easily adjust to this. Patience people.

    • Aaron

      It’s not going to be fixed until the draft and FA this offseason.

  22. Volume12

    Shanked her!

    • Sea Mode

      plant foot way too far from the ball

  23. CHawk Talker Eric

    Darn that indoor crosswind 🙄

  24. Volume12

    Penny looking good. East-West type runner.

  25. Simo

    Penny showing out a bit before the big trade?

  26. CHawk Talker Eric

    Nice cutback by Penny and he finished by lowering into the defender. Two in a row!

  27. StickyIcky

    I wouldn’t trade Penny for anything less than a Mid 2nd value. Also we have to have something brewing with our Miami rookie RB

  28. CHawk Talker Eric

    Wilson + Lockett = Wilson + ADB

  29. Volume12

    DK bay-bay!

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      I hate being on internet delay 😒

      • Volume12

        What cha mean?

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Watching on Sunday Ticket online so my feed is always a minute or so behind live tv

          • Volume12

            Ahhh ok.

            At least u get to watch though since ur outta market.

            • CHawk Talker Eric


    • Aaron

      He’s been such a good pick for us. He’s got a lot of room to grow but he’s been solid so far.

      • Volume12

        2nd in receiving yards outta all rookies.

      • mishima

        Solid like lightning.

  30. Volume12

    Dammit! Seattle had a chance to put this away with a stop there.

    • Volume12

      That works too. Huge pick

  31. CHawk Talker Eric

    Kendricks! Need those TOs

  32. Gohawk5151

    Haha BASE D!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Great play Kendricks

  33. Volume12

    ‘Little big guys?’ Is that the same as ‘skinny fat?’

  34. Hawks4life

    Carson is a freak!!!

  35. Volume12

    Run through a mother f***ers face mask! My goodness

  36. CHawk Talker Eric

    That’s a Beastmode type run

  37. Volume12

    Penny= East-West

  38. CHawk Talker Eric

    That’s how you use Penny

    • icb12


      This is what I personally had in mind for using a penny/Carson combo as far as calling runs that play to each strength.

  39. Rob Staton

    Chris is a BAMF

    • Volume12

      lmao. He tried lowering his shoulder on that dude in the end zone.

    • Simo

      Yes he is!! And the fumbling issue is a thing of the past, never to be remembered again! Penny is also showing well today. If he’s going to be traded nice to show some potential.

  40. CHawk Talker Eric

    Barton in for KJ

  41. Volume12

    Noooo! That was a pick 6.

  42. WALL UP

    Barton in for KJ. Good to get PA for Barton. Hopefully KJ isn’t injured badly.

    • Rob Staton

      Looked like he was blocked by a WR or TE on the run after coming on. Not a good start.

      • WALL UP

        Right, but he needs to get his feet wet. They will need him later in the season.

  43. Volume12

    What a catch

  44. Volume12

    Metcalf. What happened my dude?

    • Volume12

      And he totally redeems himself.

  45. Paul Cook

    We’re finally doing to a weaker team what we should be doping to weaker teams. Beating them down.

  46. Kenny Sloth

    There ya go DK

    4-0 on the road

  47. Henry Taylor

    This is going pretty well guys…

  48. Volume12

    Clowney hasn’t finished his reps this year (so far), but my god he’s unblockable

    • Volume12

      Hahaha. I spoke too soon.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Strip sack right through Freeman

  49. Paul Cook

    I totally agree with Rob about not trading Penney unless we obtain another competent power/downhill runner. Carson runs so damn hard and intense, he’s going to need to be kept fresh as the season wears on. If we can get another competent downhill runner back, then I’m okay with trading Penney. It would give us another 2nd or 3rd round pick for the draft, and I’m all about flexibility and ammunition for moving up in the draft whenever it’s feasible to do so to get the better player.

    This is going to be an interesting next 48 hours for the Hawks.

  50. millhouse-serbia

    If, ending season injury for Britt by rapport.

    • millhouse-serbia

      When Pocic was placed on IR? How many weeks ago?

      • Henry Taylor

        I’d rather play Hunt.

  51. Paul Cook

    It sure looks like we’re going to win this game. I thought winning this game and against Tampa Bay at home next week were extremely important wins for us to get. We need to get to 7-2 before we head into the gauntlet of…

    @ San Francisco
    @ Philadelphia
    vs Minnesota
    @ Los Angeles Rams
    @ Carolina

    If we’re going to get to a minimum of 10-6 or 11-5 or…we need to get to 7-2.

  52. Paul Cook

    What a tackle by Clowney.

    • Volume12

      Just incredible. They need to keep him.

      • Paul Cook

        Absolutely need to keep Clowney. We can’t keep remaking this DL unit so drastically. We’ve got to take the best we have in talent and/or potential and build off that.

      • Simo

        One great play by Clowney followed by a bonehead move. Gotta make this team earn everything, no freebies, especially on 4th down.

        • Paul Cook

          Remember how many times Michael Bennett used to jump off sides? LOL

  53. WALL UP

    Too easy..

    • Simo

      Defense looks really soft right now! No killer instinct, and no BAMF’s on the D.

  54. WALL UP

    Injuries will dictate the outcome of the season. Unfortunately, those are mounting up.

    • Rob Staton

      I think the fact that we’re seriously flawed on defense is a much greater problem.

      The defense is a mess. Simple as.

  55. Rob Staton

    Sometimes you watch this team and wonder how the hell they were 5-1.

    • Simo

      Amen! And wonder how they’re going to finish better than 8-8! As you said, the defense is a hot mess, can’t stop teams consistently and play very soft!

    • Volume12

      It’s always a tale of 2 halves with this team.

    • Paul Cook

      There’s definitely a fingers-in-the-dike feeling about it this year. Just when one unit seemingly steps up, another unit falters.

    • WALL UP

      Ans: RW

  56. Pran

    Oh shit…it’s working let’s keep it tight!

    I guess that’s our adjustment out of halftime I think

    • Simo

      What a horrible 3rd quarter. Just gave Atl more confidence than they have had all season.

      • Pran

        May be returning a favor by saving Dan Quinn.

  57. Henry Taylor

    At risk of a pretty major bottle job here.

    • Rob Staton

      Will be unforgivable if they blow this

  58. Paul Cook

    JJ is just a great player. That guy can make just about any QB look good and any defender look bad.

    • Donovan

      Go all in on offense: offer up a 1st and a 2nd for Julio. See if Atlanta bites.

  59. Volume12

    Blair is ballin’ out!

  60. Paul Cook

    It can’t be said enough. This team just can’t handle good fortune.

  61. Simo

    Man this defense needs a complete overhaul, just getting exposed by a bad team with a backup QB!

    • Volume12

      Akeem King is a gigantic liability.

      • Pran

        OL equally too especially in 2nd half

      • Frontrower

        Diggstown will shore that up

  62. Volume12

    There we go Moore

  63. Paul Cook

    Is this a break out game for Blair? A few mistakes, yes, but some real hitting and play-making.

    • cha

      He’s definitely taking a step forward. Going to be hard to keep off the field.

      • Pran

        End of year assessment from Pete:
        He is shown great ability wish we could have played him more.

    • Volume12

      Starting to. He’s put together some good stuff back-to-back weeks here.

  64. Paul Cook

    Critical FG on a drive that very disappointingly sputtered out.

  65. Pran

    Matt Schaub is all Pro out there will probably throw 500 yards

  66. WALL UP

    24-0 half time lead has caused PC to adjust play count for personnel on offense and defense. Injury to Britt may have also contributed to that decision.

  67. DC

    This defense is flat out pathetic

  68. Paul Cook

    Screen passes have been working against us this game.

    • Bmseattle

      Any time any of our pass rushers feel they are getting close to a sack, they should immediately assume a screen pass is in play

      • Pran


        Heartburn continues for fans and hoping defense/coaching saving it’s best for Sb

      • cha

        Am I imagining things or are the Hawks blitzing KJ a lot? Really? Sending your slowest defensive player on a blitz???

  69. Henry Taylor

    Thank goodness for bwags

  70. CaptainJack

    Too many offensive line/tight end injuries + trading away players to be sustainable.

  71. DC

    Such great play creativity to end the game

    • Volume12


  72. Cole

    This pass rush has just been sad

    • Volume12

      No excuses for Matt Schaub throwing for over 400 yds.

    • 12th chuck

      against the worst o line in the league at that. all the talk about trading for the offense, I hope not

      • Rob Staton

        Just because the defense sucks doesn’t mean you can’t/shouldn’t do everything to help Russell Wilson.

        • 12th chuck

          with Britt getting injured, not knowing how bad or long it will be for him, getting some o lineman depth should be a priority for the offense. the pass rush is almost non existent. I don’t know who could fix that via trade, but seems to be a bigger need

  73. Pran

    2 missed FGS with short field for Hawks and 2 TOS…if it’s a clean game for Falcons L for Pete

  74. Simo

    Ya have to take a win anyway you can get them, but this one doesn’t feel real good! To let that team back in the game is inexcusable! Defense keeps getting exposed by poor teams and mediocre QB’s, and still no pass rush to speak of.

    • Paul Cook

      It’s strange, but the pass rush was often stymied by the screen pass this game. They did that well, and we didn’t defend against it well.

  75. Paul Cook

    A road win is a road win. I’ll take it. 6-2 with an important home game against the Bucs next week to get to 7-2 if we win.

  76. Paul Cook

    I had no idea that Matt Schaub was so good…

  77. Kingdome1976

    Boy O’ boy.

    Should we not be focusing on defense?

    Blair seemed like a starter today. Griffin played well. Our D-line is a hot mess and if we don’t fix
    this line all the other positions on defense will suffer along with losses in the end. Clowney seems to me to be the only disruptive D-lineman so far. Reed seems not to have regained his dominance.

    I’m a little worried considering the D-line is not the strength of this next years draft. Maybe Rob is right when he said we need to focus on the offense from now on.

  78. Barry

    Like the fact we put up the points we should have. Disappointed in the scheme approche for our D-line.
    The backs all ran very effective (as the should). The O line did a solid job.

    I don’t see Clowney staying unless his play really picks up. Some other team will pay him more at this point. I’m confused but his “technique” while standing up for a rush.

    • Rob Staton

      Considering Clowney’s the only bright spark on the DL I can’t see Seattle letting him walk.

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