The comments section has been pretty active during games this season so I’m starting an open thread this week.
Before kick off you might want to comment on reports via Mike Garofolo (through Ian Rapoport) that Rashaad Penny could be traded before the deadline on Tuesday.
I touched on this subject on Friday. So far, it just hasn’t worked for Penny. He’s had injuries and doesn’t seem to be adjusting to Seattle’s scheme. Chris Carson has separated as the clear starter. If an attractive offer became available, it makes sense to see what’s out there.
Detroit reportedly tried to trade for Penny during the 2018 draft immediately after the Seahawks made the pick. They just lost Kerryon Johnson to IR. Could they be a prime candidate to make a move? The Seahawks already made a deal with the Lions this week for Quandre Diggs.
If the Seahawks did trade Penny, they’d need to add a running back. They can’t rely on C.J. Prosise as the primary backup. With Mike Davis on the periphery in Chicago, it’d make complete sense to try and bring him back to Seattle. He’s a great scheme fit, he was productive and he’d be cheap. The Bears aren’t using him. It might take as little as a 2021 seventh rounder or some kind of conditional pick.
What could they get for Penny? Realistically they shouldn’t expect more than a third rounder. That would be fair for a player only 18 months removed from being a first rounder with no tread on the tires. He also has good club control for 2-3 more seasons.
It’s also worth keeping an eye on Tre Flowers. He’s not playing today with a neck stinger. Seahawks fans know how damaging they can be (Kam, Cliff).
With Darius Slay not playing for Detroit today, could they swap Slay for Penny? It’d be a more realistic proposition if the Lions had depth at corner. Sadly, they don’t. So unless they trade for Aqib Talib (who is reportedly available), it’s possibly unlikely. Adam Schefter is reporting that Slay could be available but it’d be a costly trade. They’d have to really like Penny to make that deal.
In other news, Adam Schefter is reporting that Austin Hooper will not be traded by Atlanta. Scratch his name off the list of targets. The Bengals reportedly want a third rounder for Tyler Eifert which is a total nonsense and they won’t get anything like that. O.J. Howard isn’t playing today and remains a realistic target (but the price is likely to be high).
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Penny and draft picks for Lions, maybe a 1st and a 4th? Slay’s contract is a good one, basically no guaranteed money for Seahawks’ if they trade for him. But imo, the only realistic situation that trade would come through is that Tre Flowers’s neck injury is not optimistic, and Seahawks don’t have any kind of depth in CB now.
There’s no chance whatsoever of getting a first and a fourth for Penny.
They’d be fortunate to get a R3.
I mean Seattle will use Penny as a part of deal for Slay…
Slay isn’t worth a R1, R4 AND a player.
I’d only do the deal for a R3. He’s 29 in January.
Age is not a definite down factor for CB now, and Slay is still playing at Pro-Bowler level. I don’t think Lions would settle for only a R3 pick, but Penny and a R3 comp pick would do it. (They say that R3 comp pick is tradable now, right?)
Yes comp picks are tradeable.
Seattle has shied away from big investments at corner. They wouldn’t trade a R1 for a 29-year-old corner.
I am so afraid for Tre future. This what Rob said, we know how it ended with Kam’s and Clif’s stingers.
Tre is a lot younger though so hopefully will be able to heal up faster/better. We’ll see what PC says about how serious it might be.
I’m hoping they’re just not risking him against an offense led by Matt Schaub.
But as soon as ‘neck stinger’ was mentioned I feared the worst.
Thanks for the open thread. Great idea!
Pasting my comment from the end of last thread, in case it can be of help to anyone:
Just a heads up for anyone in Europe who changed their clocks last night: remember that in the USA they don’t change until tonight, so games start an hour earlier than you might be expecting with the regular time difference.
Seahawks game starts in 45 min.
I once missed the first quarter of the San Fran vs Denver London game at Wembley because I forgot it kicked off at 5pm instead of 6pm due to the clocks going forward.
Was with my wife and brother… we realised on the subway to Wembley what we’d done.
Oooh, bummer!
I think I tuned in late last year to watch the Seahawks game when this happened. I’m just so used to seeing EST on NFL.com and automatically adding +6 for CET.
I hope you didn’t miss the Tebow rushing touchdown! Tebow v Troy Smith… good times.
How about penny and a second rounder for O.J. Howard?
Too expensive. Penny + a third.
The Bucs don’t have a need for another RB
Interesting that Prosise is inactive, potential trade for him and not apenny?
Maybe. But Mike Garafolo doesn’t report speculation and he’s saying a Penny deal is possible. There’s been nothing on Prosise.
Prosise has no value, unless the Hawks need a bag of footballs. Penny still has that feel of promise and untapped potential. May as well trade him if they aren’t going to use him!
I agree that Penny isn’t being used as much as he should, his less than 6 carries per game average, mostly in the form of inside runs is a prime example of NOT using a player to his strengths & trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. IF Carson is hurt again, which can be reasonably possible, then what? Put Prosise, Homer or some FA scrub in? It would seem to me that if PC wants to continue his run first system, he’ll need both Carson and Penny to find much success. What ever happened to RB’s 1A & 1B Pete?
I still think in the right system Penny can flourish. How about Penny and Flowers straight up for Slay and maybe throw in a 6th rounder or something?
This is the exact opposite of “straight up”.
I threw in the 6th rounder as a little bonus at the end. So sorry I insulted you.
I like the idea of trying to get Slay, he’s a proven top CB in this league. But I think trading both Penny and Flowers for him is to steep. Both are on good rookie contracts and they are still young, growing into their potential.
Maybe do this trade if the Lions give us back our 5th from the Diggs trade.
Seahawks game is live on Dubai TV. Lovely stuff.
Now just got to hope it doesn’t wake the kids up.
Cool.
“It”, or dad screaming at “it”…? 😜
Thankfully no screaming required today!
Sorry Rob, do you have the link for this?
I don’t it’s on Bein Sports Channel 9
Oh right, thank you!
These Falcon unis are spicy!
Atlanta should use these unis full time.
Their normal ones are as dated as Arizona’s.
I’m all for the league going to the throwbacks.
Bring back Denver’s Orange crush, TB’s creamsicle’s, etc.
Uh oh
Ah crap
More offensive line injuries! One constant this season.
Hard to see what Britt did there. Wasn’t obvious. And he walked off the field, no cart — yet looked like he was in serious pain on the floor.
Got rolled up on by a Falcons DLer
I didn’t see that at all on replay. Just saw him engaged blocking and his left knee give out as he wrestled.
Instant crumbling of knee=instability. Suspect ACL. Guys walks off with ACL tears all the time. Sucks. As much as I respect Joey Hunt, his physical limitations are a real bummer. Wish Pocic wasn’t out for the year as would be interesting to see how he would respond to being a center vs guard or tackle similar to how Britt didn’t flourish until taking over the center spot.
What a waste of a timeout.
Penny runs directly into Britt’s legs, and gone is Britt.
And really, all this talk about adding just another player. Please…. we have 6-7 players upfront, that are able run defenders. Some of them are pro bowl calibre. And still, we are crap as hell against the run.
Can we try to fix a thing, that has nothing to do with players and talent, by coaching?! Or changes in coaching?
Per the broadcasters, Britt is out with a left knee injury
What. A. Play.
Shaq’s the man this year.
32 inch arms… 😁
Looks like Griffin is in danger of becoming a shit down corner
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God damn Carson runs hard.
Looking very BAMF
Moore has to finish some of these opportunities.
Moore is sending a message in this game so far that “I am replaceable”.
If they’re not sold on Jennings they need to take one of these red hot receivers in the draft.
Ruggs, Smith, Raegor, Hamler — all would be electrifying in this offense.
I agree.
Love Hamler. One of my favorite prospects. Not that I dont like the others.
Hopefully, he’ll be one of those guys who can break out in year 3. But either way, one of those speedsters is a must.
Would be nice, but he’s a Jag. Can’t expect to much really.
I would expect him not to fall down on his own accord.
Ya, that’s fair!
Looks like they’ve game planned to target Isaiah Oliver. The throws and routes haven’t been on the money so far, but we’ll see if it pays off later in the game to keep going at him.
Been thinking the same thing, hes been given plenty of opportunities and been coming up empty far to often. Almost looks as if hes looking for a PI call similar to flopping in the NBA
There we go. Nice punt by Dickson. Great hang time
Yup, and you could hear it, just like they say.
Notwithstanding that holding penalty Hunt is a right decent backup center. Valuable
Oh dear I hope my previous comment didn’t jinx Griffin
You don’t expect to see Clowney slip on AstroTurf
It’s that elusive Matt Schaub… 😉
Blair has been a missile so far
Haven’t seen any reason not to start him from here on.
Hawks looking a very average team so far! Still no pass rush to speak of, wonder when that’s going to come on?
Would love if they could get Yannick Ngakoue, but IDK if there’s any truth to the rumors of him being on the block.
I’m not having a go at the pass rush so far. Clowney hammered Schaub right before he got a pass off to Julio who showed why he’s so hard to cover. He’s a freak. Atlanta are moving him out of the pocket and giving him check downs.
Seahawks can easily adjust to this. Patience people.
It’s not going to be fixed until the draft and FA this offseason.
Shanked her!
plant foot way too far from the ball
Darn that indoor crosswind 🙄
Penny looking good. East-West type runner.
Penny showing out a bit before the big trade?
Nice cutback by Penny and he finished by lowering into the defender. Two in a row!
I wouldn’t trade Penny for anything less than a Mid 2nd value. Also we have to have something brewing with our Miami rookie RB
Wilson + Lockett = Wilson + ADB
DK bay-bay!
I hate being on internet delay 😒
What cha mean?
Watching on Sunday Ticket online so my feed is always a minute or so behind live tv
Ahhh ok.
At least u get to watch though since ur outta market.
Totally
He’s been such a good pick for us. He’s got a lot of room to grow but he’s been solid so far.
2nd in receiving yards outta all rookies.
Solid like lightning.
Dammit! Seattle had a chance to put this away with a stop there.
That works too. Huge pick
Kendricks! Need those TOs
Haha BASE D!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great play Kendricks
‘Little big guys?’ Is that the same as ‘skinny fat?’
Carson is a freak!!!
Run through a mother f***ers face mask! My goodness
That’s a Beastmode type run
Penny= East-West
That’s how you use Penny
Exactly.
This is what I personally had in mind for using a penny/Carson combo as far as calling runs that play to each strength.
Chris is a BAMF
lmao. He tried lowering his shoulder on that dude in the end zone.
Yes he is!! And the fumbling issue is a thing of the past, never to be remembered again! Penny is also showing well today. If he’s going to be traded nice to show some potential.
Barton in for KJ
Noooo! That was a pick 6.
Barton in for KJ. Good to get PA for Barton. Hopefully KJ isn’t injured badly.
Looked like he was blocked by a WR or TE on the run after coming on. Not a good start.
Right, but he needs to get his feet wet. They will need him later in the season.
What a catch
Metcalf. What happened my dude?
And he totally redeems himself.
We’re finally doing to a weaker team what we should be doping to weaker teams. Beating them down.
There ya go DK
4-0 on the road
This is going pretty well guys…
Clowney hasn’t finished his reps this year (so far), but my god he’s unblockable
Hahaha. I spoke too soon.
Strip sack right through Freeman
I totally agree with Rob about not trading Penney unless we obtain another competent power/downhill runner. Carson runs so damn hard and intense, he’s going to need to be kept fresh as the season wears on. If we can get another competent downhill runner back, then I’m okay with trading Penney. It would give us another 2nd or 3rd round pick for the draft, and I’m all about flexibility and ammunition for moving up in the draft whenever it’s feasible to do so to get the better player.
This is going to be an interesting next 48 hours for the Hawks.
If, ending season injury for Britt by rapport.
When Pocic was placed on IR? How many weeks ago?
I’d rather play Hunt.
It sure looks like we’re going to win this game. I thought winning this game and against Tampa Bay at home next week were extremely important wins for us to get. We need to get to 7-2 before we head into the gauntlet of…
@ San Francisco
@ Philadelphia
vs Minnesota
@ Los Angeles Rams
@ Carolina
If we’re going to get to a minimum of 10-6 or 11-5 or…we need to get to 7-2.
What a tackle by Clowney.
Just incredible. They need to keep him.
Absolutely need to keep Clowney. We can’t keep remaking this DL unit so drastically. We’ve got to take the best we have in talent and/or potential and build off that.
One great play by Clowney followed by a bonehead move. Gotta make this team earn everything, no freebies, especially on 4th down.
Remember how many times Michael Bennett used to jump off sides? LOL
Too easy..
Defense looks really soft right now! No killer instinct, and no BAMF’s on the D.
Injuries will dictate the outcome of the season. Unfortunately, those are mounting up.
I think the fact that we’re seriously flawed on defense is a much greater problem.
The defense is a mess. Simple as.
Sometimes you watch this team and wonder how the hell they were 5-1.
Amen! And wonder how they’re going to finish better than 8-8! As you said, the defense is a hot mess, can’t stop teams consistently and play very soft!
It’s always a tale of 2 halves with this team.
There’s definitely a fingers-in-the-dike feeling about it this year. Just when one unit seemingly steps up, another unit falters.
Ans: RW
Oh shit…it’s working let’s keep it tight!
I guess that’s our adjustment out of halftime I think
What a horrible 3rd quarter. Just gave Atl more confidence than they have had all season.
May be returning a favor by saving Dan Quinn.
At risk of a pretty major bottle job here.
Will be unforgivable if they blow this
JJ is just a great player. That guy can make just about any QB look good and any defender look bad.
Go all in on offense: offer up a 1st and a 2nd for Julio. See if Atlanta bites.
Blair is ballin’ out!
It can’t be said enough. This team just can’t handle good fortune.
Man this defense needs a complete overhaul, just getting exposed by a bad team with a backup QB!
Akeem King is a gigantic liability.
OL equally too especially in 2nd half
Diggstown will shore that up
There we go Moore
Is this a break out game for Blair? A few mistakes, yes, but some real hitting and play-making.
He’s definitely taking a step forward. Going to be hard to keep off the field.
End of year assessment from Pete:
He is shown great ability wish we could have played him more.
Starting to. He’s put together some good stuff back-to-back weeks here.
Critical FG on a drive that very disappointingly sputtered out.
Matt Schaub is all Pro out there will probably throw 500 yards
24-0 half time lead has caused PC to adjust play count for personnel on offense and defense. Injury to Britt may have also contributed to that decision.
This defense is flat out pathetic
Screen passes have been working against us this game.
Any time any of our pass rushers feel they are getting close to a sack, they should immediately assume a screen pass is in play
Lol
Heartburn continues for fans and hoping defense/coaching saving it’s best for Sb
Am I imagining things or are the Hawks blitzing KJ a lot? Really? Sending your slowest defensive player on a blitz???
Thank goodness for bwags
Too many offensive line/tight end injuries + trading away players to be sustainable.
Such great play creativity to end the game
Inspiring.
This pass rush has just been sad
No excuses for Matt Schaub throwing for over 400 yds.
against the worst o line in the league at that. all the talk about trading for the offense, I hope not
Just because the defense sucks doesn’t mean you can’t/shouldn’t do everything to help Russell Wilson.
with Britt getting injured, not knowing how bad or long it will be for him, getting some o lineman depth should be a priority for the offense. the pass rush is almost non existent. I don’t know who could fix that via trade, but seems to be a bigger need
2 missed FGS with short field for Hawks and 2 TOS…if it’s a clean game for Falcons L for Pete
Ya have to take a win anyway you can get them, but this one doesn’t feel real good! To let that team back in the game is inexcusable! Defense keeps getting exposed by poor teams and mediocre QB’s, and still no pass rush to speak of.
It’s strange, but the pass rush was often stymied by the screen pass this game. They did that well, and we didn’t defend against it well.
A road win is a road win. I’ll take it. 6-2 with an important home game against the Bucs next week to get to 7-2 if we win.
I had no idea that Matt Schaub was so good…
Boy O’ boy.
Should we not be focusing on defense?
Blair seemed like a starter today. Griffin played well. Our D-line is a hot mess and if we don’t fix
this line all the other positions on defense will suffer along with losses in the end. Clowney seems to me to be the only disruptive D-lineman so far. Reed seems not to have regained his dominance.
I’m a little worried considering the D-line is not the strength of this next years draft. Maybe Rob is right when he said we need to focus on the offense from now on.
Like the fact we put up the points we should have. Disappointed in the scheme approche for our D-line.
The backs all ran very effective (as the should). The O line did a solid job.
I don’t see Clowney staying unless his play really picks up. Some other team will pay him more at this point. I’m confused but his “technique” while standing up for a rush.
Considering Clowney’s the only bright spark on the DL I can’t see Seattle letting him walk.