#Eagles have agreed to a trade with the Cleveland Browns to acquire the second-overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft. pic.twitter.com/SdJSegMy4m
— Philadelphia Eagles (@Eagles) April 20, 2016
The Cleveland Browns — a franchise in dire need of an answer at quarterback — clearly don’t think much of the guy the Rams aren’t drafting.
Today they traded with the Eagles, dropping down to #8 and sacrificing the chance to get one of the perceived top two quarterbacks.
So what do we learn from this deal?
— All the talk was that Cleveland wanted Jared Goff. This latest trade suggests the Rams will be taking him at #1 and the Browns weren’t in love with Carson Wentz.
— The Eagles are making a big splash despite already re-signing Sam Bradford and adding Chase Daniel. If there’s one position worth overloading — this is it. Unlike the Rams, Philadelphia can afford to sit their rookie for at least a year or two.
— The Browns might still take a quarterback at #8. Paxton Lynch is the forgotten man of this QB class but arguably has greater upside than both Goff and Wentz. He also has the kind of signature win (vs Ole Miss) that Goff lacked at Cal.
— Cleveland might trade down again. Anyone who wants Lynch (Jets? Bills?) might be forced to negotiate with the Browns (providing San Francisco doesn’t take him). Could they drop as far as #20 while accumulating extra stock in the middle rounds and 2017?
— Another option is Cleveland trades Joe Thomas and takes a left tackle at #8. Tony Pauline earlier today described Thomas as a “locker room lawyer”. The Seahawks appear set with Garry Gilliam as their left tackle so no, I wouldn’t expect Seattle to be interested. They don’t have the cap room either.
— We’ve mentioned a few times the likelihood of three quarterbacks going in the top ten and consistently mocked that scenario. What about the rest of round one? Jon Gruden predicted as many as five or six quarterback would go in round one recently. Christian Hackenburg, Connor Cook and Cardale Jones might find themselves thrust into the first frame.
Here’s an updated two-round mock draft with trades (explanations below)…
Los Angeles (#15) >>> Tennessee (#1)
This deal has already been concluded for a king’s ransom. The Rams moved up to secure their quarterback — presumably Jared Goff.
Philadelphia (#8) >>> Cleveland (#2)
The Eagles move up to #2 where they’re expected to draft Carson Wentz as their quarterback of the future.
Tampa Bay (#9) >>> Jacksonville (#5)
The Buccs offer up their second round pick to grab an impact defensive lineman. It’s their biggest need — and with this move they can put Joey Bosa on the same line as Gerald McCoy. The Jags move down knowing they will get either Myles Jack or Sheldon Rankins.
New York Jets (#20) >>> Cleveland (#8)
In this scenario the Browns make it clear they will draft Paxton Lynch if no deal is forthcoming — and the Jets take the bait. The Browns collect another second round pick this year and the Jets’ #1 pick in 2017.
Tennessee (#33) >>> Cincinnati (#24)
The Bengals are said to be looking for a receiver and can drop down into the early second round and get a good one if it plays out like this. The Titans jump back into the first round to get a left tackle (Jason Spriggs).
Baltimore (#36) >>> Seattle (#26)
The Ravens move up to secure a replacement for Kelechi Osemele (Germain Ifedi) and the Seahawks move down ten spots. The two teams swap third round picks. The Seahawks get #70, the Ravens #90. The trade chart says Baltimore wins the deal by 60 points but Seattle might take the hit for the early third rounder.
New York Giants (#40) >>> Denver (#31)
The Broncos once traded out of the late first round with Tampa Bay and the Buccs drafted Doug Martin. The two teams simply swapped fifth round picks. History could repeat — with the Giants getting a bargain deal to select Derrick Henry.
Round one
Trading teams are highlighted in capitals
#1 LOS ANGELES — Jared Goff (QB, California)
#2 PHILADELPHIA — Carson Wentz (QB, North Dakota State)
#3 San Diego — Laremy Tunsil (T, Ole Miss)
#4 Dallas — Jalen Ramsey (CB, Florida State)
#5 TAMPA BAY — Joey Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
#6 Baltimore — DeForest Buckner (DE, Oregon)
#7 San Fran — Ronnie Stanley (T, Notre Dame)
#8 NEW YORK JETS — Paxton Lynch (QB, Memphis)
#9 JACKSONVILLE — Myles Jack (LB, UCLA)
#10 New York Giants — Jack Conklin (T, Michigan State)
#11 Chicago — Leonard Floyd (LB, Georgia)
#12 New Orleans — Sheldon Rankins (DT, Louisville)
#13 Miami — Ezekiel Elliott (RB, Ohio State)
#14 Oakland — Darron Lee (LB, Ohio State)
#15 Tennessee — Vernon Hargreaves (CB, Florida)
#16 Detroit — Reggie Ragland (LB, Alabama)
#17 Atlanta — Kevin Dodd (DE, Clemson)
#18 Indianapolis — Taylor Decker (T, Ohio State)
#19 Buffalo — Shaq Lawson (DE, Clemson)
#20 CLEVELAND — William Jackson III (CB, Houston)
#21 Washington — Vernon Butler (DT, Louisiana Tech)
#22 Houston — Hunter Henry (TE, Arkansas)
#23 Minnesota — Josh Doctson (WR, TCU)
#24 TENNESSEE — Jason Spriggs (T, Indiana)
#25 Pittsburgh — Kendall Fuller (CB, Virginia Tech)
#26 BALTIMORE — Germain Ifedi (T, Texas A&M)
#27 Green Bay — Andrew Billings (DT, Baylor)
#28 Kansas City — Jarran Reed (DT, Alabama)
#29 Arizona — Keanu Neal (S, Florida)
#30 Carolina — Vonn Bell (S, Ohio State)
#31 NEW YORK GIANTS — Derrick Henry (RB, Alabama)
Round two
#32 Cleveland — Laquon Treadwell (WR, Ole Miss)
#33 CINCINNATI — Will Fuller (WR, Notre Dame)
#34 Dallas — Emmanuel Ogbah (DE, Oklahoma State)
#35 San Diego — Ryan Kelly (C, Alabama)
#36 SEATTLE — Jonathan Bullard (DE, Florida)
#37 San Francisco — Corey Coleman (WR, Baylor)
#38 Jacksonville — Artie Burns (CB, Miami)
#39 JACKSONVILLE — Bronson Kaufusi (DE, BYU)
#40 DENVER — Connor Cook (QB, Michigan State)
#41 Chicago — Le’Raven Clark (T, Texas Tech)
#42 Miami — Eli Apple (CB, Ohio State)
#43 TENNESSEE — A’Shawn Robinson (DT, Alabama)
#44 Oakland — Mackensie Alexander (CB, Clemson)
#45 TENNESSEE — Kyler Fackrell (LB, Utah State)
#46 Detroit — Shon Coleman (T, Auburn)
#47 New Orleans — Michael Thomas (WR, Ohio State)
#48 Indianapolis — Noah Spence (DE, Eastern Kentucky)
#49 Buffalo — Christian Hackenburg (QB, Penn State)
#50 Atlanta — Hassan Ridgeway (DT, Texas)
#51 CLEVELAND — Chris Jones (DT, Mississippi State)
#52 Houston — Cody Whitehair (T, Kansas State)
#53 Washington — Nick Martin (C, Notre Dame)
#54 Minnesota — Kenny Clark (DT, UCLA)
#55 Cincinnati — Karl Joseph (S, West Virginia)
#56 Seattle — Connor McGovern (T, Missouri)
#57 Green Bay — Tyler Boyd (WR, Pittsburgh)
#58 Pittsburgh — Su’a Cravens (S, USC)
#59 Kansas City — Braxton Miller (WR, Ohio State)
#60 New England — Devontae Booker (RB, Utah)
#61 New England — Sean Davis (CB, Maryland)
#62 Carolina — Kenneth Dixon (RB, Louisiana Tech)
#63 Denver — Joshua Perry (LB, Ohio State)
Seahawks picks — rounds 3-7
#70 Joe Dahl (T, Washington State) or Joe Haeg (T, North Dakota State)
#97 Tyler Ervin (RB, San Jose State)
#124 Devon Cajuste (WR, Stanford)
#171 Justin Simmons (S, Boston College)
#215 Joel Heath (DT, Michigan State)
#225 DeAndre Elliott (CB, Colorado State)
#247 Alex Balducci (DT, Oregon)
In this mock the Seahawks address key needs at DT-DE (Jonathan Bullard) and the O-line (Connor Mcgovern and one of Joe Dahl or Joe Haeg). McGovern and Dahl could go into camp competing at guard and center, while Haeg has a classic guard frame but could be a swing tackle.
Tyler Ervin adds another X-factor to the offense while Devon Cajuste fills the Ricardo Lockette/Chris Matthews role. Justin Simmons would provide raw athleticism at safety and he could be trained to be a hybrid deathbacker.
Joel Heath is a possible D-line to O-line convert in the sixth round range, DeAndre Elliott fits their physical profile at cornerback and Alex Balducci would provide some depth to the D-line. There’s a cluster of very interesting possible priority UDFA’s.
Tomorrow I’ll be publishing a 100-prospect watch-list for the Seahawks with players listed round-by-round (includes UDFA’s).
I would love to see Justin Simmons in a Seahawks uniform next year, although I think it’s probably a long shot. This might be my favorite mock yet on this site.
Curious what people think if we trade down – would you rather pick up a 4th rounder or move up in the third like in this mock? I could see the latter if there’s a specific guy we are targeting and they expect him to go at a certain pick. Two fourth round picks could be packaged together to move into the bottom of the third, giving us 5 picks in rounds 2-3.
It’s always fun to have more picks, but the Seahawks do a great job being aggressive moving up on players they covet in the later rounds. I think this is a great draft getting Bullard, McGovern, Dahl/Haeg, and then Ervin.
Good stuff Rob.
Though, for me; while this is a solid draft and hits key needs; I can’t help but feeling underwhelmed. You kinda talked me out of Jonathan Bullard, so him being our #1 guy, while providing value, still feels like a “playing not to lose” type of pick.
If the draft went this way, I feel confident that the Seahawks would get several contributors, but acquire nobody who I’d consider a foundational/core like player. At some point, we need to start finding those guys to groom for the next wave of Seahawk football.
Not saying I would draft him and it’s not a position of need, but man that’d be tough to pass on Corey Coleman, especially after we traded down.
Still great work, Rob. Really appreciate the hard work and great information.
I agree. I love the McGovern and Haeg picks, since they’re my top 2 favorite OL in the draft. But outside of them, this mock draft for us seems a bit bland. Granted, drafting OL is the never the sexiest of moves and both of them could be our foundation for years to come. However, it would be nice if we could draft even just 1 impactful player on the defensive side, since defense wins championships. I’d switch Tyler Ervin with Javon Hargrave since I’m still not sold that the Seahawks would pick someone who weighs in the 190lbs range.
Paul Richardson. 180 lbs. soaking wet. Just saying.
Sorry, forgot to specify that the Seahawks aren’t avid fans of their RB weighing in that range. PRich is a WR. Tyler Ervin is a RB. I guess the concern for the Seahawks is that a RB that weighs less than 200lbs might not be able to take the physical beating and won’t last long in our run-heavy system. But if we use Tyler Ervin for 3rd downs only or a change of pace RB, might as well take a RB in the later rounds.
I believe the common thinking around drafting Ervin is not as a between-the-tackles RB but more of a non-positional playmaker (ie can line up at slot WR, outside WR, jet sweeps, swings, screens) essentially any way to get him in space, forcing the defense to account for another playmaker, similarly to how they used Percy Harvin who they definitely did not use as a traditional WR (most of his passes were within 5 yards of the LOS, most of his biggest plays were jet sweeps or the fake to FB toss to Harvin counter vs SD). I believe Harvin weighed around 185.
WOW! Did Cleveland get a haul in the draft just to drop 6 spots. But will they make wise picks. Well what does their draft history tell you?
With a new front office, nothing really. If the previous front office were still in place, you just know that they were going to blow the pick no matter what. In this case, I’m willing to give Sashi Brown the benefit of the doubt. Take the Raiders for example who were the laughing stock of the NFL and the draft for so many years while Al Davis was making the picks, but Reggie McKenzie deserves all the credit in the world for using their high draft picks wisely and putting together a team that, in my opinion, will be back in the playoffs finally.
Rob’s proposed trade down to #20 for Cleveland makes a lot of sense. If that deal went down they would have parlayed the #2 pick and a 2017 4th rounder for; picks #20, 51, 77, 100, and 2-2017 first rounders plus a 2018 2nd rounder. That’s maximizing value at it’s finest! Now can they make quality picks? Time will tell. Their owner Haslam needs to give this regime at least 2 full seasons to see what they can build, which would be a change from the norm for him.
I don’t see Ryan Kelly making it past AZ but that’s me. Their only real weakness on the offense is C and Kelly would solidify that oline. I really am hoping the Hawks would take Kelly if he was at 26 but who knows.
Apparently they are determined to add a safety.
There are some center options Arizona might like later in the draft.
I think their QB broke in the playoffs. He certainly isn’t on the upside of his career.
I believe Evan Mathis is going to be an over rated signing. He has missed multiple games the last two years with injuries. He had several nagging injuries last season that happen the older you get. This will be his age 35 season.
Plus, despite being their number one pick last season, DJ Humphries did not appear in any game and it was not due to injury. He is listed as the starting right tackle right now.
already a crazy draft! has the first and second picks ever been traded in the same year before? I know you have to have a qb to win, but philly and LA have given up a ton of picks for questionable qbs. so happy to be a hawks fan.
Really really good mock Rob my thoughts are if Joshua Perry is there at 56 i would really be tempted that guy is a football player have you seen his interview on you tube that guy is intense
I really like Perry, but I think that if you’re gonna pick Perry at 56 you have to go O line at 26 (or with your traded-down pick). Jatavis Brown is my fallback LB in round 4 or 5.
Think I read somewhere today this is the fourth time it’s happened
No, I think it is the 4th time first overall was traded.
It is kinda risky for Seattle to trade down and still hope that Bullard is still on the board.
There are alternatives they could take if he was gone.
If we can snag a Justin Simmons seems redundant to grab another db late. Especially how deep we are at db.
More interested in another pass rusher like tyrone homies or a 31st like braniin bryant. At least they could make the squad
For me Simmons is a pure FS in our system and stands relatively singularly in this draft in that regard.
Any other DB we take would likely be a Big Nickel “Deathbacker” prospect.
Has anyone else ever noticed the similarities between our defense and a 46 Bear D?
Single high safety, almost perpetually stacked box, with a tilted NT?
And for me Justin Simmons is a cornerback in our system.
He’s not quite fast enough to play single high (35th percentile for FS) and is a bit on the light side at 205 (also 35th percentile>.
On the other hand he has almost the exact arm/height/weight as Tharold Simon, is more explosive and far more agile (has the 3 cone and SS of an elite corner at 96th and 98th percentile, respectively).
He’s a boundry corner for me, and has the makings of a great one.
That’s how I see him too. He has the athleticism and measurements for it.
Also, for people who talk about all this “depth” we have at DB, it would be wise to look at OTC and see who is under contract in 2017 and beyond. That depth is largely gone after this year.
Could the Eagles trade up to get Elliott? Seems weird you trade up for a QB and be OK taking whichever LA doesn’t take.
I think that is very likely that the Eagles know who the Rams are taking. My theory goes that the Rams’ secrecy is not out of ambivalence between Goff and Wentz, but rather to drum up additional excitement for a team moving to LA (the NFL would have to be on board with this as well). I wouldn’t even be surprised if the Rams actually informed the Eagles as to their selection.
Very cool. In the realm of trade downs that lose us getting a Right Tackle I probably like this mock the best. It means Webb starts at RT I imagine and that is scary but hey, if he is the weak-spot and we got Gilliam-Dahl/Haeg-McGovern-Glow on the OL then I am feeling alright. Upgrading the interior OL is key to me.
—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
My current favorite mock assuming McGovern can be had at #90:
R1 – Ifedi (trade back w/KC to 28, get back our McCray R5 pick)
R2 – Defensive Line
#90 – Connor McGovern
#97 – Joe Dahl
R4 – Devon Cajuste
R5 – Tyler Ervin
R5 – Travis Feeney
R6 – ?
R7 – DeAndre Eilliot
R7 – ?
—————————————————————————————————————————————————————————————-
Now if McGovern doesn’t last until #90 then I like this mock:
Assuming McGovern is projected by Schneider to go in R2 this mock involves us trading our #26 to Kansas City for their #28, and they give us back our R5 pick that we gave them for Kelcie McCray. Then in round 2 we make a trade; our R3 #90 pick and our #124 R4 pick for a R2 pick. In R4 we don’t have a pick anymore because we just traded it, but we want one so we trade up into R4 by trading our R5 & R6 pick to get one. What does this look like? Here:
#28 R1 – Ifedi (we acquire R5 pick in trade with Kansas City)
R2- McGovern or DL
R2- McGovern or DL (we traded #90 and #124 for this pick)
Now who we take with the higher & lower R2 picks depends on who John Schneider thinks will be available where. We trade back up into R2 because John believes we can get the two players who are “our guys”; McGovern and a D-linemen with our two R2 picks.
#97- Dahl
R4: Devon Cajuste (traded 5th rounder & 6th rounder for another R4)
R5: Tyler Ervin
R6- ?
R7- DeAndre Elliott
R7- ?
This mock gets us Ifedi (RT), McGovern (C), a R2 defensive linemen, Dahl (LG), Cajuste (WR), Ervin (3rd down RB), a R6 pick, DeAndre Elliot (CB), and a R7 pick.
When you compare it to your 7 round mock draft Rob, in mine we get Ifedi and in yours we get Bullard and Justin Simmons. Those are really the differences assuming everything would go as planned. Question is; is Bullard and Simmons worth more than Ifedi and the D-linemen we can get a #90 or #96 because by then Bullard was taken?
So I guess the parlor room question for you then is: if your gm of the Hawks do you risk McGovern lasting until #90?
Exactly. And how do they feel about the D-linemen that is available there in R2 compared to the guys available at 26-29?
And what would KC have to gain by moving up 2 spots?
KC and Green Bay might be looking at the same defensive linemen. KC might try to jump GB for someone like Jarran Reed.
Rob you are the best thanks so much for all you do here.
I will be really interested in tomorrow’s topic. It will be really interesting to see who Rob’s 100-prospect watch-list for the Seahawks with players listed round-by-round (includes UDFA’s).
Same here. Really looking forward to it!
Something that might help our draft too
Josh Normans Franchise tag was just rescinded. Making him an UFA
WHAAAAAT this is the craziest year ever!
Watch him go to the Giants! LOL
Wouldn’t want to be on that practice field
Ha! Nice.
This makes the panthers going corner in the first suddenly a possibility.
Panthers to William Jackson III or Eli Apple.
It’s nice to see Carolina’s roster take a step back. Kawann Short is due for a huge pay day next year too.
DAMMIT ROBBY YOU READ MY EFFING MIND!!!
That is my favorite seven round mock all year!!
I hate missing on Ifedi, but, as has been (maybe undeservingly) tossed around on here they may not be as enamored with his play style as I am.
I like Bullard and his aggression, I’m sure the Hawks do, too.
Can’t leave without McGovern imo and I really really like Joel Haeg, now.
Cajuste is an obvious and well thought out choice. I like Simmons and think he’ll make a spectacular LOB jr.
Are you at all concerned by Tyler Ervin’s 29″ arms? That’s pretty ridiculously short. I love the guy and maybe that’s going to give him a little dip in his stock?
Would prefer Deiondre’ Hall. His athletic profile is insane. 34″ arms and deadly closing speed make him a great Big Nickle option for me.
Balducci takes advantage of opportunities created playing next to Buckner. Won’t be much different playing tilted nose up here. Go Ducks!
I was just saying to Volume 12 how I would like to see you try to replicate a Seahawk big board. haha
No opinion on the Heath pick lol. What can you say?
Prefer Hall to Elliott, but I haven’t found any tape on Elliott.
Yeah, I’m pretty much right there with you on this being a favorite. Also, I think it’s pretty realistic. Get the inside rusher you feel best about, grab the OL at 56 you feel best about and put yourself in line for another one at 70. then focus on a couple offensive weapons.
Very solid mock Rob!
I smh at some of the trolls that have been out lately, you are the man, you do this for free and are an international fan.
Lots of respect in my book!
Those clowns whingeing about Ifedi will need to find something new to get themselves in a flap about now.
Adam Schefter Verified Account
@AdamSchefter
Panthers have removed franchise tag on CB Josh Norman, now a free agent.
2:32 PM – 20 Apr 2016
What? Why would Carolina let go of one of their best players?
Too much money. He’s going to be 29. Kind of a risk for someone that “old”
Drafted the same year as Sherman; Norman has 7 career picks four of which came last year with the best front seven in football in front of him. He did return two for touchdowns. He gets beat a lot over the top.
Hahaha good luck with that signing, whoever.
Kind of has Nnamdi Asomugha written all over it, (which would actually be kind of difficult to accomplish, literally speaking)
completely agree with the Asomugha comparison.
And 1 good year of production in a contract year. Good move by Carolina. They also did after free agency so teams don’t have much money.
Drug testing started this morning, and Norman was released this afternoon. I wonder if that’s a coincidence. BYE FELICIA
I want to see him go to JAX. Imagine how much that D would improve with him and Amukamara at corner, and Rankins and Malik Jackson on that line. That would turn into a team that could take that division this year.
I see him going to OAK or JAX. Somewhere he can get that $$$…
This just hurt the Panthers BIG TIME in my opinion.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/04/20/panthers-yank-tag-from-josh-norman-who-becomes-a-free-agent/
He would be scary for OAK as well. That would also push them into contention for the AFC West.
COMPLETELY agree!!! I have several friends that are OAK fans and they are excited about the possibility
They patched up that line, and if they find a good RB in R3… Look out. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Broncos regress and miss the playoffs if they can’t find a QB. KC and OAK (if the Norman deal works out) could push them out. Schefter did say Norman would prefer to play in California.
Oakland only has $9.3m in cap space left.http://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/ They really don’t have the money for Norman now.
They will find a way to restructure contracts if they really want him. Could give him a huge signing bonus to push the cap hit out of the first year.
Seeing Keanu Neal go to Arizona would be rough.
Agree completely that is worst case scenario for me.
Totally agree. I think he’s going to be a star.
Love his physicality – if Kam wasn’t on the roster I’d be pounding the table for this guy!
Yah, but how many years does Kam have left? I say draft him if he is there at 26. I know the league has turned into the “haves” & the “have nots”, but Seattle needs more young, elite playmakers.
Ditto
I can’t wait for tomorrow’s column. It should be interesting. This last week before the draft should at least hint at potential draft day moves and what not. I’m all for moving back into the second round if our guys aren’t there. There is a chance that Butler or Ifedi won’t be. If that is the case, I sure hope that they don’t miss out on McGovern. OL might be the only position where we are looking for a starter. We need to draft starter-caliber players high, depth later and hope that those late round draft picks blossom into starters. IMO let’s grab a starting interior lineman first, a starter/rotation DL second, and then depth and competition after that.
I would love to see us trading back into the second as well. But, it would be so disappointing on Thursday night that we have to wait another day to see who they take haha!
The Browns will have five first round picks in three years. However, they will squander the talent sadly enough. Highly rated prospects Shelton and Erving were not awful but didn’t impress in either of their first season.
I like how Rob has them taking some of the riskiest players at their positions in this mock, too. Hahaha
Entirely different front office now. We will have to wait to see how this one compares to the front office’s since they were an expansion team in 1999.
Rob, in your mock we trade down. What do we get for compensation? A future pick?
Move up 20 spots in the 3rd to take Joel Haeg
One of the Joe’s*
Didn’t notice that. Thank you
Yeah, it was kind of grouped unceremoniously with the other trades hahaha
The details are listed in the piece. A swap of third rounders with Baltimore.
So where is our back up qb ?
T-Jack
BJ Daniels it’s time better athlete and cheaper
And not a very good QB…
Is he that much worse than T-Jack?
TJax a balla whachoo meen?
I have no idea, he’s thrown 2 passes in his career, but if the team thought so they wouldn’t have gave up on him and tried to turn him into a receiver.
Phil Simms was on my radar last season. We got him from Cards.
Give him a shot
I really want Josh Norman to go to the Jags. They’ve got the 2nd most cap space left, and I’d really hate for the Niners to sign him.
I agree!
Is he seriously good enough to be the difference?
I don’t think so.
I wouldn’t want the Cardinals signing him.
Norman by himself wouldn’t make a huge difference. Norman, Amukamara, Gipson, Jackson getting Fowler into the fold, draft Jack. That’s difference making talent on defense right there.
Arizona only has $4.7m in cap space. There’s no real threat of Norman going there.
For some reason (Gus Bradley?) I always root for Jacksonville as my second favorite team (behind Seattle of course). Can’t say this about any other franchise this though. Anyone else agree?
I do think the jags can be this years panthers. Not to the same extent, but I do think that they can win that division and pull off a lot of upsets.
I’m in the same boat, I love them. I’m also more of a Falcons fan now then I have been in the past. The Jags should have an explosive offense, and if they can bring in Norman… watch out. They will get Fowler back who should be solid, and if they get Jack or Rankins, then I would feel bad for Luck. Shore up the trenches and they are a playoff team IMO if they can manage to sign Norman.
I kind of always like two teams per division lmao. Like the Ravens and Bungles are the good guys to the Steelers and Browns. The Jets and the Bills vs. Pats and Dolphins
I do appreciate the work of our team’s protege’s.
The GM’s in Washington and NYJ as well as our coaching tree.
I think the Raiders should be disappointed if they don’t make the playoffs this year.
Those are really ugly uniforms though, second only to the Yucs.
Rob,
I love the mock! As always, great work sir…
I see several trades coming in the 1st rd as the recent shakeups already are putting teams in flux (With the news of Josh Norman becoming a UFA, I think it’ll shake some more).
If we can come away with Bullard and McGovern in the first 2 rds and move from #90 to #70, I’d be stoked!
I know Broncos need a QB, but I have a very hard time seeing Elway take Connor Cook. Seems too smart for that.
I wonder if Wentz and Goff going 1-2, and Lynch possibly going as high as 8, it’s going to push a couple other QB’s into the first? I hope so!
I think this mock shows us still drafting #90, even though we swapped it for #70. Or did I read that wrong? Thanks!
You read it right, we wouldn’t have that #90 anymore, at least in the way Rob explained the fictional trade.
It’s a typo — was meant to say #97. Now changed.
If you would have diversified and written about more prospects, you would not have made that typo.
🙂
You might want to update your emoticons too if you want want to grow this blog and stay relevant relevant with the kids.
ha
No one calls them emoticons anymore. It’s “emoji” now. Get with the program 😛
This would be a ‘dream draft’ if it happens.
Any four of Rankins, Bullard, Vernon Butler, Ifedi, Coleman, McGovern, Dahl, Tyler Ervin, and Fackrell, Cajuste and Shon Coleman would be outstanding.
You have us picking up five of those. Plus four developmental depth picks. Really couldn’t ask for more than that.
While we’ve discussed a lot of OT options for our first pick, I think Bullard makes a whole lot of sense. He’s got a chip on his shoulder, plays with incredible gap discipline, and makes our D-line young and versatile. With Hill becoming a free agent next year, Mebane leaving, and Bennett getting older/potentially looking for a new contract soon, I imagine DT will be a priority for SEA.
Totally feasible for SEA to trade down and acquire Day2 picks, though I feel JS could squeeze out a 5th with those 60pts…
That said, the meat and potatoes of this draft is the 2nd-4th rounds here’s to SEA trying to grab those extra picks from CLE, TENN, and whomever should a QB and/or WR fall to our laps, though Treadwell at #26 does intrigue me.
I’m hoping CLE or TEN trades up to 26th with us, as they both need a WR and Treadwell fits the bill. KC might be looking at a WR, so it would make sense to trade in front of them. I really hope we end up with another 3rd and a 5th if we trade down with either of those teams. We can find some starters/rotation guys in the trenches with those picks.
If Treadwell is sitting there at #26 we should stay put and take him.
SLA shows a tendency for receivers with his build and athletic qualities to not produce well relative to their draft range.
The most successful receicer in this category is Brandon Coleman.
http://profootballspot.com/nfl-draft/article/records/2016-wr-prospects-to-avoid-positional-slaytic-thresholds-r70/
Some really interesting work.
Interesting. Thanks for the link.
It would be really hard to pass up Noah Spence in the 2nd round…
On another note, I can’t believe the Panthers cut Norman and I can’t believe people are ripping on his game, saying he’s a “system player”. The guy is a baller and he might have been the best CB in football last year. All he does is break up passes. I would LOVE to get an angry Norman on a one year “I want to screw Carolina over” deal.
Norman is looking for a 14M+/year + 5-6 year deal. He isn’t singing a one year deal.
Bullard/McGovern/Dahl or Haeg/Ervin/Cajuste. Could not ask for too much better than that. The only thing missing is a pass rusher, although that may be a luxury item.
Rob, if you think JSPC really are “set” at LT with Gilliam, this scenario means they skip Ifedi/Spriggs at the top, and go into the season Gilliam/Dahl or Haeg, and that is it.
They’d have Gilliam, Webb, Sowell, Haeg/Dahl.
That’s four options at tackle.
I dig the mock. However, Simmons as a deathbacker? Seems like a pure FS to me. Too tall and skinny (although he plays tough) to properly serve in the deathbacker role.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m a big Justin Simmons fan… just not as a deathbacker.
Miles Killebrew, Jayron Kearse, Kavon Frazier, or Jatavis Brown seem like better fits for the deathbacker role.
I just don’t like his underneath coverage. Give him that one job to patrol the deep middle and he’s a plug in spot starter.
He adds tremendous value as a special teamer.
Maryland’s Sean Davis or Marshall’s DJ Hunter for me.
Although Davis is more of a CB/S hybrid.
It’s interesting. I see Davis in round 2 a lot, but Pauline and couple others have him in the 6th. I see him going somewhere in between.
I like Sean Davis a lot too Vol. He just looks like a Patriot pick with one of those 2nd rounders.
I agree, but I guess it all depends on how much weight he can add to his frame. On paper he looks like a perfect CB in our scheme. See if he can progress as a CB while he backs up Earl.
Don’t know if you guys have seen the new April 18-25 issue of Sports Illustrated, but it is the draft guide. I find SI and other national rags amusing when they do these, and this issue did not disappoint for amusement.
I especially find their “NFL comparisons” for the various prospects oddball . For example:
Spriggs. NFL comp: Lane Johnson
Whitehair: Bitonio
Westerman: Marpet
Ifedi: Terron Armstead
LR Clark: Jared Veldheer
McGovern: Trai Turner
Dahl: John Greco
So we’re to be excited about the new Trai Turner and John Greco?
(Cont’d)
Noah Spence: Justin Houston
V Butler: Derek Wolfe
Bullard: Antonio Smith
Rankins: Kawann Short
Kenny Clark: Mebane
Well now. That makes me want Noah Spence!
Trai Turner is elite, if McGovern ends up at that level I’d be ecstatic. Greco was a solid guy for a while, that would be fine with a 3rd/4th round guy.
Ifedi: Terron Armstead
If this is slightly accurate, you draft him. Armstead is a top 3 LT in the NFL now… and is still getting better and better. If you need a LT, then you have to consider him. I see him more as a LG type, but in the Hutchinson mold… which is perfectly acceptable at #26.
Absoutely. Armstead is a stud. One of the best young tackles in the game.
I don’t think Seattle can go wrong with any of Ifedi, Haeg, McGovern, or Dahl. They’re all incredibly versatile.
Get 2 or 3 of these guys…. winning draft imo.
2, grab a guy later or UDFA.
I don’t think Seattle is gonna overload on the O-line this year.
I disagree. When the coach or GM says a position is a weakness or needs “more competition” they (JSPC) tend to go whole hog after it.. throwing draft capital and FA acquisitions at it. I think the min OL in draft will be 2, but likely 3 picks. I also see them bringing in 1 more FA OL somewhere and somehow. I’m just going to be glad we will know within a week or so….. then we can dream big.
But, I’m agreeing with you.
I think Seattle will take an O-lineman, one in the third, and either one later on day 3 or UDFA.
*A repost of mine from late last night*
Seattle #26 + #56 = 700 + 340 pts = 1040
Tennessee #33 + #45 = 580 + 450 pts = 1030
Let’s say Seahawks traded back slightly, still picked Ifedi at #33, then could pick Coleman at #45
Titans could advance slightly, grab RB Henry and then they could turn around and grab a WR/TE late in 2nd round.
Points make sense, the team needs make sense…. win / win
Would love that trade. Makes sense for both teams, although I doubt Tennessee would go for Henry already having Murray.
Murray is short term help… and then they can break Henry in slowly. They only have 1 legit RB on the team, so it would make some sense….. and that RB has a history of breaking down. Perhaps they grab the #1 TE in the draft, then can pair him up with D Walker.. a mini-me Patriots offense using 2 TE sets.. Mariota would be in love immediately.
It is time for the Cahrgers to trade down with someone, since they will have the “best” non QB player available in the draft…. talk about mouth watering possibilities for them.
Giants and Bears seem like likely candidates to swap picks, both need some “guaranteed” blue chip talent…. Giants for Bosa and Bears for Ramsey
Greg Bell said that BYU’s flex TE Terrenn Houk ‘crushed’ his workout with Seattle today.
The thing to keep in mind about these private workouts. We don’t get that info.
So while the info on 3sigma or draftscout might say one thing, these workouts can say something more.
Have you got a list compiled of VMAC visitors? Maybe someone that slipped past SBN or something?
Miss St DT Chris Jones
LA Tech DT Vernon Butler
Clemson DL Kevin Dodd
Florida DL Jonathan Bullard
Zac Brooks, HB, Clemson
Derrick Henry, RB, ‘Bama
Taylor Cox, RB, Kansas local pro day
Greg Jones, RB, Portland St local pro day
Devon Johnson, FB, Marshall workout
Jay Lee, WR, Baylor
Moritz Boehringer, WR, Germany
Daniel Braverman, WR, W. Michigan
Dez Stewart, WR, Ohio Dominican
Davonte’ Allen, WR, Marshall workout or visit
Lene Maiava, OL, Arizona
Marcus Henry, OL, Boise St
Justin Murray, OL, Cincinnati
Reggie Ragland, LB, ‘Bama
Christian French, LB, Oregon
Kevon Seymour, CB, USC
Rashard Robinson, CB, LSU
DJ Hunter, DB, Marshall workout or visit
Taj Letman, DB, Marshall workout or visit
Sean Davis, DB, Maryland workout or visit
Will Parks, S, Arizona
As for a couple guys that slipped through the cracks.
Leonte Carroo, WR, Rutgers. They worked him out on his pro day. Almost privately. Along with Baltimore
Corey ‘Poop’ Johnson, DT, Kentucky. Worked him out at his pro day, interviewed him, and told him that he’d be a great fit fr their team because ‘he’s got a big mouth.’
Of course Terenn Houk, and Monmouth TE Hakeem Valles-workout. Brother of Oakland’s 6th round pick last year, Max Valles, EDGE.
Like Carroo.
He seems like a solid UDFA pick-up. Nice to hear that someone from Enumclaw could end up in an NFL camp come summer!
Yup.
7th rounder or UDFA.
Houk’s another local guy; from Enumclaw.
I think the Hawks are looking for a 5 technique to play in their base defense that can be a Red Bryant type run stuffer, but also bring some pass rush in a way that Bryant never could. Imagine Muhammad Wilkerson as the ideal. I think they are laying low on Chris Jones in round 1.
They visited with Jones so who knows, but this is the thing you hear every time with him:
“He has the ability to dominate, but does not always play hard.”
That’s Gil Brandt.
“He’s an underachiever.”
That’s Bob McGinn’s source.
I wouldn’t bet on the Seahawks drafting an underachiever, or a guy who doesn’t always play hard.
To be fair, same thing was said about Mario Edwards.
I think DT Chris Jones is a 2nd round target or plan B.
Also, I’ve wondered about this before with no takers, but how much is that set in stone and how much can it change or be changed? We’ve heard it said of guys before, and they’ve been great in the NFL. OTOH, we’ve heard it said of guys who have continued to frustrate with their uneven effort.
But why is it you can take a guy with character issues and red flags and everybody assumes getting them in a locker room with strong leaders will fix it, but if he takes some plays off people don’t assume getting him in a strong locker room will fix it? I’d bet on the Seahawks locker room setting a guy like Jones straight.
Good points, and it’s why the Texans went with Clowney. A guy like Watt won’t let him take plays off. The Hawks are big on holding each other accountable. You do your job, I’ll do mine! ET talks a lot about the trust they shoul have with each other. They won’t let anybody get away without max effort. However, that being said, I don’t see the Hawks drafting somebody who doesn’t always play hard.
That would be the highest they have taken a DT, no? They don’t seem to value it as a premium position, though maybe a special player could change that? Still, I feel like DT isn’t the position they’ve had the most success at evaluating draft prospects, so not too high on the idea.
What about James Cowser? He may not be a Red Bryant type. But he could be like a Cassius Marsh or Chris Clemons in the future. More value for pick for me if we get him in the 4th Round than Chris Jones in Round 1 or 2. I actually believe he can make the “competition jump”. And with Chris Clemons, he could mentor both Frank Clark and James Cowser. That would be awesome!
Long time reader but first time posting. Anyone think Josh Doctson is a realistic pick for us in the first round? I feel like it hasn’t been talked about much, but I really like his game and it could be a hedge against Doug Baldwin leaving. I definitely think the Hawks want to resign Doug next year, but if he has another great season he could become too expensive for us.
He’s good, but Seattle already has four wide receivers that they plan to use (I’m assuming they plan to give Paul Richardson, their first pick of the 2014 draft, a solid chance). And that’s a lot for a team that wants their offense to revolve around rushing the ball.
For our needs I would rather have Cajuste later in the draft than Doctson early. Doctson will be at his best in the NFL as a high volume pass catcher. He would look great in Pittsburgh’s offense as a replacement for Bryant.
Rob love the mock and the trade ideas make a ton of sense.
I am surprised there is not more buzz to SF. They need a QB and Lynch seems like the ideal mobile QB for Chips system. Are they just laying low and do you think someone would try to move up to #6 to get him?
Rob: About a month ago you came up with a trade senario where the Hawks tooK Ifedi then traded up in the 2nd round to land Jonathan Bullard. I kinda like that idea. Do you still like that idea?
Also I see Chris Jones is visiting the Seahawks. Any comments?
I think after studying this class more and seeing the value in rounds 2-3 — I’ll be surprised if they move up in round two from #56.
As for Chris Jones — not surprised because he’s very athletic and fills a need. But I suspect the main point of the meeting will be to find out more about him as a person. You keep seeing words like ‘underachiever’ with Jones and ‘doesn’t always try hard’. That’s not a Seahawk — so they’ll be wanting to find out if he really is truly pissed off for greatness, as they say.
Thanks Rob. It is appreciated.
I like his skill set.
He’s a knucklehead, but every year Seattle takes one, no?
I agree with Rob. His visit is seeing what he’s all about.
He’s boom or bust. But, Seattle’s 2nd round picks typically have been and a little surprising.
Might be an under-acheiver, but if that label has created a chip on his shoulder and pissed him off, that’s a motivational tactic for PC.
I think Pete tries to set a culture for talented knuckleheads to flourish. I agree, I think the visit is to see if this is a knuckle head that will play pissed off with his head on fire. Personally, I’m kind of fond of knuckleheads, especially when they figure it out. Really going to miss Bruce Irving.
Seattle might have gotten “too nice” in the last year, so let’s bring back/acquire some dirt bags for the OL and DL. No reason to get pushed around by anyone at home… or anywhere.
http://www.fieldgulls.com/2016/4/20/11473014/nfl-draft-2016-seahawks-vmac-visits-tracker
Worth keeping an eye on as well.. as you make your mock draft picks everyone
Some well known guys are listed, but some “sleepers” as well.
Love everything EXCEPT for Ravens winning the trade. If they threw in the #104, and we grabbed a Killebrew (or insert your own favorite player in this range), I would like the deal more.
Really curious if Gruden is right about an early run on QB’s, and a QB desperate team (I’m looking at you, Denver) overpays for a move up.
Love that you stuck with McGovern. Picking him does seem like the Seahawks thing to do.
“Winning” the trade is a media thing. If you get a better talent out of the two picks by making the trade, you win. The trade value chart doesn’t matter.
I’m not a big Bullard fan but I like the McGovern and Dalh. McGovener I would have to try out at RT but I know he would be a stud guard. I like a Dahl more at the center mostly because he has that football IQ that coachs love. They both just fit the profile. I think everyone believes in Tyler Ervin to be that explosive RB Seattle just has to have.
It seems like teams are really desperate to move up and grab one of the top 3 QBS this year. Is next years crop of QBs really bad?
Top 3 next year to me are Clemson’s DeShaun Watson, Miami’s Brad Kayaa, and Texas Tech’s Patrick Mahomes.
Wouldn’t say it’s bad, but it is April and a bit too early to say, but those are the names your gonna see all summer.
I like Watson a lot actually and if think Kaaya is every bit the prospect that Goff is. Thanks Vol!
Remember watching Mahomes against LSU and liking him quite a bit. Reminded me of a stronger armed and under more control Johnny Manziel – hopefully that would extend to his social life.
Thats a lil cheap for moving up 10 spots. We would need their 3rd pick outright or at least a 4th.
That would give us two 2″s and three 3’s. I would love Bullard at 26 but at 36 is super nice. Fackrell is off the board but I dont believe Sam is that big of a need With F. Clark and Marsh ready to take Bruce Irvin duties.
Dear John, you do not have to prove to me how smart you are, for I already know you are the best GM in the game; nor do you have to prove to me you can make the splash play, for Russell Wilson and Richard Sherman are all the splash I need. I just need you to find your guys and pick your guys. You don’t need to risk trading down from #26, if what you are going to do with that higher pick in R3 is select Joe Dahl, for either he or Haeg would still be there at #90 anyway. Pick the very best OL or DL you have in R1, then go for the opposite position in R2, then do your magic by finding 3 o4 4 more buried treasures after that. Just win, John, it don’t need to be fancy-pants.
This post has swag
I like that James.
Guys what do you think about a player like Miles Killebrew/Su’a Cravens. They could be a poor man’s Keanu Neal. Killebrew /Cravens could give Seattle multiple options.They could be that Safety/Linebacker/Hybrid player. He could also play safety in case Chancellor/Thomas go down.
Maybe Brandon Browner morphs into that role on passing downs. He’s fast enough and physical enough.
I had the same thought. I believe that Kam’s down year was due to his holdout, but the pass defense from the SS position was inadequate. Browner seems ideal for that, but we all hope for a rebound from Kam. Browner is the killer-elite, but he is a holding call waiting to happen on the outside when those speed guys try to run past him. Bring him inside and let him lower the boom.
If BB is in there last year instead of Dion Bailey game #1, I think that Hendricks TD doesn’t happen. It gets defended or he holds, but it doesn’t happen.
Cravens/Killebrew could be Seattle’s answer to Arizona’s Deone Buchanan.
Guys.Just one more thought.
Ja’ Marcus Webb.
The more I read about Webb the more I like this signing. Year after year John Schneider has found VALUE at the defensive tackle position in free agency. I am beginning to think that Schneider may have found a gem in Webb. I am beginning to think that Webb is a keeper at Right Tackle.
On the surface, they are talking pretty highly of him. Both John and Pete have said they feel he is a player who looks like he is turning the corner. I wouldn’t be shocked if he comes in and plays well. He fits the mountain mold at RT better than Gilliam did, for sure.
I do believe RT is Webb’s best position. He played well enough there as a rookie (a 7th rounder), that the Bears tried him at LT his sophomore year. He didn’t do well there, he and Cutler got into it on the sideline after a particularly bad game (actually Cutler just got in his face – blaming the game and loss on him), and Webb was cut a short time later.
So, Cutler threw a guy under the bus, acting like the tool we all know he is, and Bears management backed him and cut Webb.
He’s been a below average guard, but he hasn’t been horrible. He has 60 career starts, is still fairly young, and again, is returning to his best position. He’s also on a team friendly deal. I don’t think he’s going to the pro bowl, but its not a horrible deal.
He got beat like he stole something at RT. I’d be interested in him playing LG
Every big guy gets beat at RT. The question for the Seahawks is how long he held and was he beat around the corner or bull rusher/beat inside.
RW can handle it easily when the RT is beat around the corner, it just opens the scramble to the right side.
If Webb can hold for 2.5 seconds and prevent quick rush from the inside, it’s all we need as far as pass pro.
If the guy can hold the edge and move people in the run game, we’ll be more than fine.
It seemed like when Russ got in trouble last year on the right side, it was more whenever Gilliam got badly beaten by a bull rush. Something tells me Webb isn’t going to get beaten that way.
I think the big difference is he is now a recovering alcoholic and by getting that part of your life in better shape changes the other parts of your life only get better.
Personelly I hope the back up qb is not Tjac. First he is looking for a better playing spot, and his age has cought up with him , big time. I respect the guy but the Hawks won’t win with him behind center.
Selecting a TE instead of a late round CB – I know there is the traditional late round CB, but they are loaded there, especially with the signing of Browner.
And the Hawks do need to draft a TE this year. Both Willson and Helfet are UFA’s next year, and they may need an extra body early depending on how quickly Graham returns. Houk from BYU impressed today at the Hawks workout for locals.
They need an inline TE that can block. Graham may not be back right away and oh wait he doesn’t block.
They picked up Phil Simms from the Cards, who was on my radar, toward end of last season.
I like his chance to be poor man RW.
Not the ex Giants QB either 😛
The seventh round is not much above udfa, so the main advantage is that the player can’t choose his team. For the Seahawks, though, it should not be hard to convince players to come, as they are a contending team in a great city with wonderful facilities, and a willingness to give free agents a chance. There could be a sleeper TE in the group, and hopefully one that is a good blocker.
The irony of drafting Mizzou McGovern to replace Britt at LG ?
Pre-draft craziness. Kind of like how the election season is playing out.
This is probably a realistic mock in terms of our likelihood to trade down from 26. Regarding the personnel acquired, the one big deficiency in this mock is the lack of slam dunk RT prospect that Ifedi or Coleman would be. I suppose McGovern could be in the RT mix. But I sure hope the FO is not content with our free agent signings battling it out with the likes of Poole and Britt for RT this season. We need a legit bully at RT. Personally I’d rather have Coleman at 36 instead of Bullard and address DL at 56 with something like Shallique Calhoun, Maliek Collins, or Austin Johnson.
I love the Ervin an Cajuste picks later on.
I hope the Hawks have better prospects to choose from when they pick than we will at the polls choosing between Trump and Hillary!
Yes lawd!
Chewing on the possibility of another trade option that could give us a chance for Coleman. I see CharlieTheUnicorn already has something very similar.
Twisting the titans arm a little, we get them to trade the following, that could give us some more options:
CURRENT PICKS (AS-IS or after trade with Colts)
#26: 700 Bullard
#56: 340 McGovern
#90: 140 Dahl
—–
1180 trade points
FOR TITAN PICKS
#43: 470 Bullard
#45: 450 Coleman/McGovern
#64: 270 Fackrell/McGovern/Dahl/Haeg
—–
1190 trade points
If we get the big dogs at 43 & 45, trade #64 down to Saints for their
#78: McGovern/Dahl/Haeg
&
#112: Hargrave/Reader/More Options
I guy can dream right? 🙂
All picks #97 & greater unchanged
Also our #56 & #90 should get us #44, enough to get Coleman. Would be a sweet add if our #26 is fortunate enough to get Butler. Powerful and impact-full first two picks.
Seattle might hold off until the 3rd round to grab a DT or DE type….. but the premise behind the trade down makes sense for both teams (SEA vs TENN) which is why this slight trade down makes sense.
That is one view – “Seattle might hold off until the 3rd round to grab a DT or DE type”.
The other (mine) is – Seattle might hold off until the 3rd round to grab an OL type…
According to Brock Huard. Goff never had a signature win during his collegiate career.
Considering his best win in all three years was arguably against Wazzu this past year, I’d say yes, that is the case.
I really do not think the Hawks are going to select bullard. His athletic profile is unimpressive when you account for the fact that he only weighs 285 pounds. There are other players like Willie Henry and Hassan ridgeway who test similar and weigh 20 more pounds. There are also guys like Javon Hargraves and David Onyemata who are far more explosive while weighing 20 or 30 pounds more. It just doesn’t seem like a very Seahawks move to me because I’ve heard Schneider and Carroll talk about the way they look at guys is what they can’t be not what they can’t and the truth is a 300+ pound dt with similar explosiveness to a 285 pound dt has more potential. Anyways not that there is anything wrong with the pick or robs mock I just wanted to voice that I think it’s unlikely the hawks actually pick up bullard.
What they can be* not what they can’t be twice in a row silly autocorrect
With Jonathan Bullard the Hawks would look at Bullard as defensive end.Then on third down/passing situations kick Bullard inside. Bullard would provide an interior pass rush.
It would seem to be too much of a duplication of what they have currently, for such a high pick.
I would hope they’d be grooming Bullard for more of a primarily interior rush role.
I think that’s primarily what he would be, more DT than DE, but still playing both.
Yes but his pass rush isn’t fantastic (yet? He could develop one been wrong plenty before) another inside outside guy would be good but picking up a run stopping dt or DE with the Hawks first pick doesn’t seem likely. I’m not saying Bullard is a bad prospect I think he will go on to have a good career but I think there are many other options that would intrigue the Hawks more. To be completely honest I’m higher on kyler fackrell than Bullard because regardless of my opinion fackrell gets pressure on the qb. Anyways my point isn’t to bash Bullard I just look at him and he doesn’t seem to fit in with what I would expect from the Hawks Tapper, Kafusi, Ogbah, and Dodd all seem more probable options because of their production and pass rush ability. A player can be made into a great run defender the Hawks do it all the time look at Avril, Bennett, Clemons all those guys were not elite run defenders by the time they hit the league. Right now it would make more sense for the Hawks to draft a dt with pass rush and there will be plenty available in rounds 2 and 3. Not speaking to Bullard tape as he is fun to watch
I think it’s unlikely the Hawks take Bullard at 26. With the realistic trade down that Rob is proposing Bullard would be a great option. We’ve visited or worked out quite a few prospects with late 1- mid 2 round grades. Bullard, Butler, Jones, Dodd, Ifedi, Ragland, Henry. I’m sure theres a few more they really like in that range too. I’m expecting a trade down out of day 1. Bracing myself to wait another long day for the Hawks to pick.
Del Tre: Did you know that Michael Bennett only weights 274. Michael Bennett is listed as a DT/DE. The same as Jonathan Bullard.
Bullard, I think is a touch heavier. More like 285.
I think he could add more weight to his large frame. I think they’re okay with Rubin at either DT spot, but I know they love him at 3t.
I really liked Bullard’s ability to split double teams so I instinctively want to put him at either 5t or 1t in our scheme. It’s certainly fair to suggest he couldn’t hold up against the run inside, and maybe that relegates him to like a base 5 and nickle 3t.
This frees up Bennett to rush from inside, as well.
I ‘realy like the opportunities these tweener guys present
Fair point RWIII I hope I’m wrong and the Hawks select him and he becomes a perennial all pro like Michael Bennett (should be). I get what everyone means watching Bullard play though he’s a heck of a lot of fun
I’m not sold on McGovern as everybody seems to be. He has sub 33″ arms and Gowinski has a higher Sparq score and is a tick more athletic then McGovern with plus 33″ arms. So by what most people that mock him to the Hawks, it seems they are going to take a slightly less athletic then Glowinski RG prospect IMO for Depth/Competition to a position they just gave a redshirt year behind Sweezy in Mad Dog. I don’t think McGovern is a LG/RT prospect for the Hawks because of arm length plus they have 4 centers on the roster. This will be the surprise to everyone expecting oline early and often. I don’t think they go oline til late.
Trade picks 26 and 90 to Washington for pick 21
21: Bigg Vern Butler
56: Jordan Jenkins
97: Tyler Ervin
124: Joe Haeg
172: Joe Dahl
215: Travis Feeney
225: Dan Vitale
247: Joel Heath
They leave with 2 defensive players that have length and size with 1.5 10 yard splits,
They get the guy they want in Butler and go up to get him, he will play DE/DT and has a high ceiling with hopes he can get after the passer from the interior, a dynamic 3rd down/2minute drill back, a dynamic athlete of a FB that will make the team on special teams, and not to mention 3 TEF prospects: one interior, one Tackle, and one DL convert. Everybody thinks Britt is a bust but seeing different guys grow in Cable’s system, they seem to improve every year. Dahl has the size and length to push Britt for the LG job. They add 3 Top TEF score oline prospects, play makers on defense, and bolster the run game. They avoid DB’s And WR’s until UDFA. Love to hear your thoughts.
McGovern has 32 and 7/8 inch arms.
So he’s 1/8 of an inch away from 33 inches.
I doubt that is an issue.
Why would they use a second round pick on a back up RG prospect? I don’t see him as a tackle for the Hawks or LG as LG is pretty much a tackle prospect for the Hawks. I don’t think they will draft him as a center as they have 4 centers on the roster. Why would they take him so early when they took Glow as a comp pick in the 4th round and Glow’s numbers are better then McGovern? Just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. Plus the cutoff points are cutoff points rob like you have said many times. They haven’t drafted any linemen with sub 33″ arms. I still haven’t seen a DB brought in with sub 32″ arms. Just going off the stuff we know my man. Where do you think McGovern would play if they took him? I’ve heard pretty much every postion as a projection for him but I think he only falls into the RG or Center mold which I don’t think the Hawks are looking for in this draft. Cheers!
McGovern played left tackle for Mizzou in 2015.
As with Mitch Morse a year ago, I would expect McGovern to be worked at center with left guard as a fall back.
Britt played left tackl at Missouri too. Haha, I just look at the body type of the line under cable and they pretty much go with 3 tackles, 1 guard, 1 center. We have seen the center position as more stocky type player after unger and unger wasn’t a cable guy. I could definetely see him as a center but would they scrap Lewis who is the 2nd highest paid position of the group?!?! Hahah, I just see they have Lewis, Sokoli, Nowak, and Percek on the roster as centers and drafting another prospect for center doesn’t seem likely to me. I see LG as the Failed tackle project. Haha, the guys who can’t hang on the right side get moved to LG. It’s the first time we have seen a RT prospect graduate to LT with Gilliam. Then RT is the try out revolving postion. Kind of like most college schools handle it. I just can’t see them drafting McGovern and him making the team as anything but depth for RG with a possibility of playing LG for an injury. They have plans for center I think and they like the guys they have. So I just think if McGovern and Dahl are sitting there at 171 they would probably take McGovern because of his supioror athletic skills but he doesn’t fit the bill of 1-4 round pick IMO. He won’t be there at the compensatory section of the 5th so I think they have a shot at Dahl. I think that’s why the Hawks lean on a TEF-like formula for the oline because they know even if they take a guy late because he doesn’t tick every box to warrant an early round pick, they are getting a hell of an athlete that Cable can coach up and I think that’s why players get better under Cable. They might not have all the tools in their belts when they arrive in Seattle and were drafted with later picks but he coaches them up and by the time most of them leave they get paid. Cheers!
McGovern is the second most explosive OL in this class.
I wouldn’t fret about his role. He can play T, C and G. Valuable player.
Which draft did they take the most explosive offensive linemen in? Last year with Sokoli because he was there in the 6th round as a project. i think the whole TEF idea is that they don’t have to take the second most explosive linemen in the draft in the second round when they can get the 6th most explosive linemen in the 4,5, or 6th round. I feel like McGovern will be this years Morse, Bitonio, or Marpet. His athleticism jusmps out at you but he will be taken earlier then the Hawks want to draft him. Glow was more explosive and they didn’t run to the podium to take him in the 2nd round. I think they will look for Ifedy, Haeg, or Heath and have a 3 way completion for RT/LG with Webb, Britt, and the new guy for the those 2 spots. I understand what you are saying about McGovern that he is a hell of an athlete and extremely explosive but I can’t see the high pick everyone thinks he will garner being an option in the Hawks plans. They got Britt in Round 2 because they absolutely need a guy because they didn’t feel comfortable about Bowie and their hand was forced. Britt is not a TEF monster, he was the last option. So I don’t think they overdraft McGovern like some other team will do because I think they feel they could roll out the line of Gilliam Britt Lewis Glow Webb and be ok with it if the season started today. I see Redmond or Dahl as more realistic options. Your argument has been McGovern is a lock because he is a mizzou guy that is 2nd most explosive oliner that can play anywhere on the line. I see him as a less athletic version then the presumed starter At RG and his build projects him as a RG not a Swiss Army knife that the Hawks “need to have” we will see my friend, I think there are about 6-8 guys they target every year on the oline and getting them early isn’t priority as long as they get a couple that fall into their “TEF mold” so to speak. This terrible line was a part of the best offense in the league the second half of the season last year. I don’t think the situation is a bad as most think. They won a SB with Mquisten and Bowie as thief bookends for most of the season ending in a 13-3 record. They will get a couple TEF guys in the late rounds and maybe splurge on Ifedy in the first round if that’s how the draft shakes down IMO
They’ve consistently taken the most explosive O-liners available at the time. By the time they were on the clock last year Glowinski was the most explosive available and they took him when they had to.
This year it goes: Spriggs, McGovern, Ifedi, Haeg, Dahl, Redmond. If they don’t take Spriggs or Ifedi in R1 they’ll have to look at Haeg, Dahl, McGovern in R2-3 because they won’t last beyond that range. And that’s how the Seahawks approach this thing. There are no ‘TEF guys’ in the later rounds this year.
Dan Vitale’s tape is snot awful, but he sure can jump.
I almost agree with the late OL projection, but to me it seems they missed out on their guy last year with Mitch Morse. McGovern is a very similar player with versatility, confidence and just projects really well onto this team, much moreso than the sweating mess Joe Dahl was in his combine interviews.
I think they’ve also got some guy we have no knowledge of slotted for a late round pick.
So you think they will draft a guy to back up Glow at RG in the 2nd round? They have 4 centers on the roster and physically Mcovern projects as a RG or center physically For the Hawks. They like having guys with length at LT,RT, and LG. That’s not McGovern. If McGovern is there in the 5th round they take him but I don’t think it makes sense to take him any earlier as they can draft an impact player in the 2nd round. I see it how they drafted Glow last year as a back up to Sweezy as a comp pick in the 4th which is pretty much a 5th round pick. I think McGovern falls into the same category except he won’t be there when the Hawks pick in the 5th.
#1 LOS ANGELES — Jared Goff (QB, California)
#2 PHILADELPHIA — Carson Wentz (QB, North Dakota State)
I’m thinking it will go Wentz then Goff…. just a hunch
The Chargers are very likely to trade back now, since they could get a nice package of picks for the top non QB in the draft…. and they need picks BADLY.
Actually I like that Ravens deal much better if they throw in the 5th round pick #130 = 42. Which would make it Ravens 840 (#26+#90) for Seahawks 822 (#36+#70+#130). That would be more appropriate. And would probably guarantee they could wedge Feeney in there.
I think I would rather have Darius Jackson in case of no Ervin, too.
I really like Jackson as well.
Ervin also has 29 inch arms.
Here is an offensive line starting five (based off of Rob’s latest mock) that we have not been considering too much:
Gilliam – Webb – McGovern – Glowinski – Sowell
Back up:
Dahl or Haeg – Poole – Lewis – Sokoli – Britt
Britt moves back to right tackle to compete with Sowell and looses out to the bigger (6-6 vs 6-7) veteran. Webb and Poole compete for left guard and the bigger more experienced Webb wins. Gilliam holds down the left side with a rookie named Joe backing him up. McGovern competes with Sokoli, Lewis and Nowak for center and wins out, Lewis is his backup and Sokoli moves to right guard to back up Glowinski.
Britt as a backup might be strange after starting two years, but this seems possible, especially if Sowell really has improved and has the potential Schneider and Carroll seem to think he has. Webb fits the desired profile at left guard, and McGovern fits the Hawks desire for a taller more athletic center than Lewis. Heath can be stored on the practice squad for a year to learn offensive line.
Thoughts?
hmmmm….5 new players at thier positions. Does that not sound like repeating the 2015 start of the season?
Gilliam – LT
McGovern – LG
Sokoli – C
Glowinski – RG
Spriggs – RT
That sounds like a pretty good o-line! Spriggs would not only compete strongly for RT, he would provide a hedge and backup plan in case Gilliam struggles at LT. McGovern could compete with Lewis to fill in at center in case Sokoli still needs time. Britt and Webb provide good depth.
I don’t think PC/JS should get too cute in this draft.
Not if they have all of training camp to build some chemistry. Last year they had 3 weeks. Also, it’s going to be a minimum of 3 new players anyway, with only Lewis and Britt possibly staying the same, and Britt is arguably the worst of the starters from last year. I wouldn’t worry about it that much.
LT Gilliam
LG McGovern
C Lewis/Sokoli
RG Webb
RT Haeg
If you haven’t seen his tape, Joe Haeg is the perfect Seahawks bruiser RT.
Not as big as Ifedi or Carpenter, but is such a bully on the field.
You would slot Webb over Glow at RG? If anything I think they may redshirt Haeg a year and start Webb at RT in front of a rookie. The only reason I could see a rookie start LG is bc Britt is so bad that he may get beat in camp.
If there was no draft… Would Lewis or Sokoli be a better option at center? I say Sokoli because of the physical profile and athleticism, although Lewis is technically better.
Sokoli simply needs snaps at the position from what I’ve heard.
He looks like a Nasty dude…I guess it takes time to switch, especially if you are going to be a center…snapping, protections…etc.
I am definitely want him to be a huge success.
ROB! So excellent of a mock draft. I am up at 4am and was working on something, then I see you did it yourself! Crazy cool…
My thought was Cleveland, with 12 picks, might want to trade up from 32(33) back into the first round with us at 26.
We would SWAP our 3rd/#90 for their 3rd/#77,
PLUS SWAP our 4th/#124 for their 4th/#100…
This way Cleveland still has 12 picks, and the Seahawks get to chose earlier in the 3rd and 4th… If Cleveland did what you said and traded down with New York, they would have SO many picks that I doubt this SWAP would bother them at all to reach #26…
What do you think Rob?
I would LOVE that haul you predicted… Saw Tyler Ervin on GameChangers and he seems like a smart kid… X Factor
Forgot to say I did the trade chart numbers, and these 2 swaps come out almost Equal…the Browns would lose only 7 points of value…
Takers?
Tyler Ervin is one of those players I hope we can’t leave the draft without.
Ive been a proponent of a trade down with browns or cowboys And I like what you suggested but I still want an additional pick there…
Rob, love that mock. Wouldnt be disappointed with it at all.
I could see a similar draft with the late rounds playing out a bit different.
1.26 – DT VERNON BUTLER
2.25 – G CONNOR MCGOVERN
3.27 – S SEAN DAVIS
3.34 – OT JOE DAHL
4.26 – RB TYLER ERVIN
5.32 – OLB JATAVIS BROWN
6.40 – OT BRANDON SHELL
7.4 – DT SHAWN OAKMAN
7.26 – TE BEAU SANDLAND
If Butler is there at 26 I think the front office has to take him. If not who knows, maybe a trade down. He may not be Aaron Donald in the middle but still can likely provide that disruption up the middle that the D is lacking. McGovern makes sense in round 2 and I bet he is still on the board then, let’s just hope the Hawks don’t get cute and pass him up hoping he will be there later.
Rounds 3 and later are where I feel the most value is at. Pick up Sean Davis in round 3, dude is shreddedd, not afraid to hit and is smart both on and off the field. He may struggle in man coverage but could cover big TEs well. Get Dahl if he is still there, him and McGovern would provide excellent competition and depth if they aren’t already starter caliber next year. Hope Ervin is there in round 4. I don’t think the Hawks go LB early seeing as how Frank Clark is now listed as a linebacker on the team website. Pick up Jatavis Brown in round 5, hell of an athlete and maybe a bit small for a traditional LB but could be a “death backer”. I know your not high on Brandon Shell but the guy has the size and measurables comparable to top picks. With the right coaching I can see him be a steal or at the least solid backup.
Round 7 is time to take some flyers. If Shawn Oakman checks out background wise and his current allegations cause him to slip this far I would take a flyer on him. Last year he would have been a top ten pick if he came out. Numbers went down this year and then these sexual assault allegations. Who knows the story there but would be a hell of a steal in round 7. I like the TE from Montana State. FCS all American. Played at Miami for a year. Not recruited out of his school. Has the size, strength and look of a nfl TE. Not the best in the trenches but not the worst. Zack Miller lite maybe?
Interesting mock draft and comments, I def. agree that they shouldn’t get too cute moving around with the picks. Even if they reach a little bit, Pete and John should just take the players they want before someone else does.
After all, it worked with Britt 😉 Can’t believe I’m reading so many comments with people biting their fingernails to the quick worried that we might lose out on Connor McGovern. Not that worried about it. There are other options. If we pick him at #56 I’ma start drinking early…..
Agree with Trevor on Oakman. I’m as big a proponent of innocent until proven guilty as you’ll find, but in this case, with a prospect of questionable ability in the first place, let the legal process run its course. Why take on that kind of risk?
I guess it’s more of a what if scenario with the front office when I mentioned I hope they get McGovern in round 2. I actually just want them to take “their guys”. The whole process is a huge crapshoot on who will become good nfl players and if the coaches are already scheming in their heads on how to use certain guys then I hope they get those guys.
Really like the mock a lot except for the Oakman pick who I would not touch under any circumstance.
Love the picks of Sean Davis, Brown in particular. I think both are under rated. I actually think the Patriots will take Davis with one of their 2nd round picks.
Actually Frank Clark isn’t listed as a LB. They changed it.
He said yesterday ‘I’m not a LB, I’m not a DE. I’m an athlete with a passion for the trenches. All that other stuff is for the birds.’
Didn’t see the change V12. Good catch.
Still think the Hawks aren’t as worried about replacing Irvin with a pure LB as we might be. With Clemons, Clark, Morgan, Pinkins, KPL on the roster as well as others I think they feel like they can replicate Irvin’s production with what they have currently.
Agreed.
If they do go LB, I think it’ll be in the mid-late rounds. Have a tough time seeing them go LB before round 4.
I could see them going round 1 if Leonard Floyd drops. And that’s a big maybe on both parts. All depends on the QB and OT rush that could put some good athletes and playmakers than were top-15 picks right in the Hawks lap.
I agree for the most part Trevor, referring to Oakman. However with a 7th rounder you aren’t wasting much other than a PR issue. I don’t know anything about the allegations but it doesn’t sound like it was a DV issue and could be a he said she said thing in regards to the sexual assault. If the charges are dropped, or turn out to be a false accusation by someone then you could end up with a good steal otherwise you cut bait and move on without a lot of capital wasted.
Rob I know you are not a fan of Chris Jones and we disagree on his potential but it seems the Hawks at least want to check him out and take a close look under the hood. If those meetings go well he is the kind of athlete I think they would love given his length. I know he only had a 29 inch vertical but everything else checks out.
According to the Mock Draftable website the two players he is most alike are Leonard Williams and Muhammad Wilkerson. Those are two pretty impressive comps.
I know the scouts have said he is lazy but if the Hawks interview him and are comfortable he is my 2nd favorite interior lineman after Rankins. Closely followed by Vernon Butler. I would be happy with any of these guys in Rd #1.
I like Jones tape a lot and I think his senior season he showed that he wasn’t lazy. People change a lot from 18 to 21 and Chris jones is no different there. I think the Hawks will want him because watching his tape I see that he pushes the guard back into the qb regularly that’s critical for Pete Carroll in a DT he likes guys who offset the line of scrimmage. If jones is there at 56 I think it’s highly likely the Hawks draft him. Plus if he is lazy Clemons will whoop his @$$ like he lost a fight.
I’ve never had an issue with his potential — it’s his attitude and work ethic on the field.
The Seahawks likely met with him for those reasons. To work out who or what he is.
But while Butler and Bullard play with their hair on fire — Jones does not.
Many have compared Jonathan Bullard to Michael Bennett, and rightfully so as to his projected role, but I was just digging around on MockDraftable too and found some other interesting comps:
To Bullard:
2. Gerald McCoy (2010): 3.6296738475474 (82.2%)
3. Connor Wujciak (2016): 3.7493414760355 (81.8%)
4. Lawrence Thomas (2016): 3.8580534515297 (81.5%)
To Sheldon Richardson:
1. Mike Neal (2010): 5.3107866456133 (77.8%)
2. Jonathan Bullard (2016): 5.3273563922882 (77.7%)
3. Robert Nkemdiche (2016): 5.4364415764582 (77.5%)
4. Mario Edwards, Jr. (2015): 5.5317941007472 (77.3%)
5. Willie Henry (2016): 5.6528627470943 (77.1%)
7. Joel Heath (2016): 6.3206413928607 (75.8%)
9. Grady Jarrett (2015): 6.5807197671207 (75.4%)
10. Lawrence Thomas (2016): 6.6074297816852 (75.4%)
On a side note:
Lawrence Thomas I haven’t heard much about. 3.16 TEF, 90.47 wTEF. Raw, high athleticism, high motor, former fullback who switched to DE. Late-round option?
NFL.com suggests he could add another 30lbs on his frame and move inside.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/lawrence-thomas?id=2555376
I’ve seen the McCoy comp thrown out before. IMO, I think Bullard is probably going to be a really nice player at the next level. As Rob likes to say, pissed off for greatness will probably be his strongest asset.
I think this mock really highlights how much talent is still potentially on the board in the early second round (Bullard, Fackrell, Coleman, Feeney, Apple, etc.), making a trade down seem more plausible. I could also see the Seahawks making this move for the cap hit. If they don’t have a first round grade on Bullard why pay him the first round dollars? The trade down nets a cap savings, per OTC, of around $600,000 in year 1, but growing to a savings of $1.1M in year 4. That’s some serious moneyball right there. Trade down, get your guy, save some money.
I definitely see your point, but….I just don’t know. Something tells me that if they try to get cute, they’re going to see a lot of guys they like get drafted by other teams.
Could happen, I go back and forth on that. But in the context of Rob’s mock draft it looks like a lot of talent is still there. Just not first round talent. I’m assuming they’ll only make a move if they have a really strong sense they can still get the person they want, or if they have an option 1a and 1b at the spot. If you can get Coleman in the early 2nd, but also move up in the 3rd I think you make that move instead of drafting Coleman at 26. It’s that early 3rd round where I feel like there’s a lot of risk – McGovern is a 3rd rounder, but is he a late 3rd or does someone pop him early? If it looks like early 3rd could be a run on OLine, that early 3rd pick would be important.
Yup. I like Shon Coleman, too. But I personally wouldn’t take him any earlier than about mid-2nd round. i think that would account for the health risk factor of Coleman.
Are the L.A. Rams on the clock, yet?!
I can’t wait for next Thursday night, when Goodell starts the proceedings!!!
It sounds like the 49ers are the front runner for Norman. I’d love to see how he and Chip Kelly get along together. I want him to go to JAX though.
I’d like that better than the Rams getting him. The 49ers defense is going to suck with or without Norman, doesn’t really make a difference to me.
One. More. Week.
I feel you.
“The Los Angeles Rams are now on the clock…..”
This is gonna take up lots of space but it is not much text…
Rob has me sold on Cajuste in R4. Great find. He just seems the perfect fit for our team right now and is likely to be available at a good value spot. Has some nice comps too:
1. DeAndre Smelter (2015): 7.5105728827904 (74%)
2. Josh Gordon (2012): 8.1121891293747 (73.2%)
3. Michael Thomas (2016): 8.1416470927593 (73.1%)
4. Alshon Jeffery (2012): 8.4906841465219 (72.7%)
6. Larry Fitzgerald (2004): 9.1258413217135 (71.9%)
7. Marquez North (2016): 9.5279333789755 (71.5%)
If we miss out on Cajuste, the other guy I like a lot is Ricardo Louis. There’s nobody like Calvin Johnson, but look who comes closest physically:
1. Donte Moncrief (2014): 8.2905217015796 (72.9%)
3. Andre Johnson (2003): 8.5516639899087 (72.6%)
4. Julio Jones (2011): 8.9275151641309 (72.1%)
5. Moritz Boehringer (2016): 8.9528314973973 (72.1%)
6. Chris Conley (2015): 9.2233309195258 (71.8%)
7. Ricardo Louis (2016): 11.347907265926 (69.7%)
And the closest direct comps to Ricardo Louis:
1. Andre Johnson (2003): 1.9187453333937 (90.1%)
2. Nick Toon (2012): 2.0709193524684 (89.1%)
3. Cordarrelle Patterson (2013): 2.3316828307103 (87.6%)
4. DeVante Parker (2015): 2.9181125798298 (84.8%)
Ricardo Lockette could be replaced by another Ricardo! (this is obviously the most important argument of all… =) Here are some of Lockette’s comps (wow, BTW):
1. A.J. Green (2011): 6.9595706028744 (74.8%)
2. Kevin White (2015): 7.2160921113204 (74.4%)
5. DeVante Parker (2015): 8.4582070636441 (72.7%)
7. Martavis Bryant (2014): 8.6708245270936 (72.4%)
9. Ricardo Louis (2016): 8.9637792120092 (72.1%)
10. Breshad Perriman (2015): 9.0568304869098 (72%)
Of course, these are just physical comparisons and they don’t mean they will become the same player, but at least it shows they have the tools and there is potential.
From what I’ve read (Pauline, Zierlein), Louis needs work on his hands (has good hand/eye coordination and great catch radius but bobbles/focus drops some catches) and route running (does not accelerate into pass routes and sometimes gives away his route with his first strides), but he has a solid build (6’2″, 215) and outstanding speed (4.43) and athleticism (11′ broad!), especially at that size: http://www.mockdraftable.com/player/6072/
Thanks, guys, for bearing with my sometimes long comments.
I would worry about the bobbles/dropsies coming out of college, because usually suspect hands is a problem that follows a WR into the pro game. In fact, if anything it probably gets worse, as there is less separation from CB’s, smaller windows, etc.
Ya seen Boehringer catch the ball? Might be the worst technique I’ve ever seen.
This Kalan Reed, CB, So. Miss is a stud! I’m telling ya’ll.
What a fit he’d be for Seattle.
Self professed ‘film rat,’ 19 PBU. Yes please.
RIP Prince.
is what it sounds like when doves cry
And now he’s truly the artist formerly known as prince
Sad day.
I think with these picks I love trade down hard to predict.
36 Shon Coleman RT
56 Connor McGovern C,G
70 Austin Johnson DT
90 Tyler Ervin RB
97 Willis Henry DT
124 Deiondre’ Hall
171 Rees Odhiambo OL
215 Kelvin Hogan QB
225 Andy Janoviche FB
248 Tyler Higbee TE
Udfa Vernon Adams QB
Love the dream pick. Awesome list IMO.
thxs