It’s simple — it’s Pete Carroll or Russell Wilson in 2022

November 12th, 2021 | Written by Rob Staton

The franchise has to choose.

Do they stick with Pete Carroll’s philosophy and a 70-year-old coach who appears to be reaching the natural conclusion of his tenure, and try to find from somewhere a competent replacement at quarterback (with one of the worst, if not the worst, quarterback draft classes upcoming)?

Or do they go in a new direction with a creative, offensive-minded leader who will have the franchise quarterback believing in the direction of the team again, making the most of the dynamic weapons at receiver and tight?

The failure to sign Odell Beckham Jr has been played down by many. Yet, in my opinion (for what it’s worth), the reason the Seahawks were never serious contenders for his signature is nothing to do with Seattle’s record, the Pacific Northwest destination or the voided money pushed into the 2022 cap.

It’s been suggested Seattle offered OBJ a deal ‘with the most concrete contract details’ by a respected insider.

As Mike Garofolo also suggests, this is all to do with offensive philosophy. Carroll’s brand of football.

Sean McVay personally called Beckham, detailed how he would be used within a creative, aggressive offensive framework — and the deal was done.

The thought of playing Carroll-ball in Seattle just isn’t appealing. For Beckham or other potential targets.

Russell Wilson and Beckham are close. I would suggest closer than many fans realise. And despite a lot of talk of OBJ being ‘unnecessary’ for Seattle — you can never have enough quality players. The Rams sense that — that’s why they’re aggressively still adding despite already being a contender. It’s also what Tampa Bay did a year ago.

The philosophy that led Beckham to fear playing in Seattle is the same philosophy that has had Wilson concerned for a long time.

The OBJ decision will not help this situation. At all.

Some will say this is all old news. The problems were well known before any of this business with a suddenly available wide receiver.

It’s more than that. It’s the fact that this week reinforced the problem, fed the growing monster that it’s becoming and should act as a warning sign to ownership.

And isn’t that the big problem? The great unknown with ownership. Not knowing whether they will make the right call when the time comes.

We don’t need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and castigate all that Carroll stands for, or undermine his great achievements in Seattle. He is a legendary coach and deserves to be recognised as such. A true hero for the franchise.

We also need to recognise when it’s time for change.

We have now reached that time.

Carroll or Wilson.

They will not both be back next season.

That’s the choice for ownership in a few weeks time.

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484 Responses to “It’s simple — it’s Pete Carroll or Russell Wilson in 2022”

  1. Gross MaToast says:

    If Pete isn’t ushered out, the franchise will be sub-2009. I’m not certain how he might claim to be “stoked” about the arrival of Jared Goff or Mitch Trubisky, but that’s the coming reality unless RW goes Kingslayer on his ass and tells the powers that be to make a choice.

    Tv ratings and ticket prices should tell ownership everything they need to know about the direction this thing is trending. You don’t have to be a football savant to see that this is no longer a premium franchise.

    Put Pete in the Ring of Honor and send him to Malibu.

  2. Isaac says:

    I take splice in the fact that the Rams have no draft capital and will be in cap trouble soon. Arizona feels like a team with potential issues.

    Which offensive coordinator could you see being the next seahawks coach? Or could we pluck away a Todd Bowles? Then get an offensive coordinator in the mix that will make Russ happy.

    • Rob Staton says:

      We’ve been saying the Rams face cap trouble for three years.

      • Jason M says:

        Yes, they should be!! I think they are all in this time with the Stafford signing and now OBJ. The window should be small!
        I will say this, even though I don’t like the Rams….. this is how I’d like to see the Seahawks approach winning!

    • Mac says:

      The Rams have around $44 million in dead money this year. If the cap stays the same, they’ll have $5 mil next year and can try to figure out things with Von.

      They have Stafford on contract through the end of ‘22, they could sign an extension and come up with $10 mil or so in cap space easily. The cap is extremely mailable, with a couple tweaks the Rams could come up with $30-40 mil without relying on cap increases. Their downfall will be either injuries or not cultivating enough talent in the draft. We’ve had gobs of picks but haven’t done nearly as well in talent acquisition.

      • Eric says:

        The Rams also don’t have much draft capital so it will be tough for them to cultivate enough talent in the draft.

        I think they are banking on the cap increasing substantially in the next few years to make up for the lower cap during Covid. They might well be right.

  3. Big Mike says:

    It really is that simple. There will be a lot of “yeah but” in the media in Seattle and feel free to listen to it if you choose. However, it’s 100% one or the other next year and I guarantee Russ is already feeling like this year was a wasted one.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Without a shadow of a doubt this season has only compounded his concerns from earlier this year. There will be no more wasted seasons in Seattle under Carroll. 100%.

      • Marcus says:

        It’s been a few seasons now that have been wasted in mediocrity. Players and circumstances could be blamed for a single season going sideways. A stretch this long points at the person running the show.

        That said, Carroll’s greatest sin isn’t his vision. Many applauded his crystal clear vision when he got here. I (mostly) still do. And I still happen to think that Pete-ball (mostly) compliments what Wilson can and can’t do. To me, Carroll’s greatest sin is that he hasn’t effectively executed his vision in years now.

        • Rob Staton says:


          He has contradicted his vision numerous times with poor personnel decisions

          And they’ve drafted terribly, built the roster terribly (with a handful of obvious exceptions)

          • Big Mike says:

            “He has contradicted his vision numerous times with poor personnel decisions

            And they’ve drafted terribly, built the roster terribly (with a handful of obvious exceptions)”

            This, this and oh yeah, THIS!

  4. no frickin clue says:

    Let’s play this out. Let’s say Pete insists on staying, Jody Allen remains AWOL, and Russ forces a trade. What is the cap impact in 2022? Just curious how much this hamstrings us (or not) for next season.

    • Roy Batty says:

      They would incur in $26 mil in dead money if he is traded before 6/1/22. If after that date, they can spread the money over two seasons, so $13 mil in ‘22 and ‘23.

    • Rob Staton says:

      The cap impact has always been overrated.

      You take a dead hit in 2022 and then he’s off the books. You save tens of millions from 2023.

      Most free agent contracts have smaller year one cap hits

      So the dead money factor is non existent really

      It won’t stop people in the media harping on about it though

  5. Roy Batty says:

    The audio of John Clayton calling everyone morons for thinking this should begin in 5, 4, 3….

    • Rob Staton says:

      If only you were joking! This will actually happen

      • Roy Batty says:

        To be sure!

        I’m stuck listening to 710, only, at work.
        Clayton throws around the “morons”, “just stupid”, and “idiot” phraseology on a regular basis.

        He has gotten so bitter.

        • Rob Staton says:

          John struggling to form an argument and resorting to insults…


        • bmseattle says:

          Clayton was part of the initial 710 “purging” a few months back.
          Then, suddenly, he was back on the air.
          It would be interesting to learn what went on behind the scenes with that decision.

          • James Z says:

            710 has been using Clayton’s HOF status as a marketing tool for so long that maybe they haven’t wanted to realize how irrelevant he has become. If he is ever jettisoned he’ll probably spend his remaining days and hours hunched over the computer updating his beloved data base for ‘posterity’.

            • Andrew M says:

              Listening to John Clayton proudly claim he grew up in the worst ghetto in the country always makes me laugh a little. Like he’s NWA street tough.

              • Rob Staton says:

                Can just imagine him on the streets

                Cussing out chumps who dare to suggest the Seahawks should move on from Carroll

                • TomLPDX says:

                  Clayton on the streets in Compton? I don’t think so.

                • Andrew M says:

                  Back when the Packers fired Mike McCarthy our John Clayton was incredulous because he was a Super Bowl winning coach. No doubt he feels the same way about Pete. It stood out to me then just how out of touch he had grown. In a Clayton segment last month Wyman said it was time for Ken Norton to go, and Clayton jumped down his throat, asking “ok, who do you replace him with?” Wyman didn’t chase that any further, but I suspect Dave might have suggested that Pete just take over the defense and show accountability.

                • Tomas says:

                  Good laugh, thanks Rob.

        • Big Mike says:

          Can’t you listen to KJR Roy?

          • Roy Batty says:

            I don’t control the radio at work. We go by a democratic rule when it comes to the radio, and I work with a plethora of Seahawk homers in Spokane. They wear their rose colored glasses 24/7.

            It becomes tedious.

          • Tomas says:

            Really enjoying the KJR line-up, especially Softy.

  6. Marcus says:

    Without a doubt, interesting times are ahead in the offseason. Major change seems inevitable at this point. And major change needs to happen. Though, I’d argue that it’s likely more than just a Carroll-or-Wilson equation.

    Would John Schneider stay on if Carroll steps down? If he does, I’m getting my popcorn ready for the inevitable showdown with Mark Rodgers.

  7. STTBM says:

    Rob, well said. I’m dreading the rest of this season, and I have zero faith in ownership, just a faint hope Ownership does the math: 10 more years of a superstar QB vs a few years with a 70 yr old coach who is past his prime.

  8. 206 says:

    Florio and Simms – “Will Pete Carroll run the offense through Russell now?” – eh, wouldnt count on it

  9. Simo says:

    I agree that wholesale change is necessary, and I strongly prefer to keep Wilson over Carroll. This means that Schneider needs to go as well, and the entire coaching staff, likely including Waldron.

    I’m just not sure that it’s 100% certain both Wilson and Carroll won’t be back. What if the team picks up the pace in the second half, plays good, sound football, and somehow makes the playoffs? What if Pete lets Russ cook and that’s the reason for the resurgence? What if they somehow win a playoff game, or even go deep in the playoffs? I realize it’s not likely all of these happen, but this team has made surprising transformations before, so one never knows.

    So, I do think there’s a remote chance they stay together beyond this year, but everything has to go perfectly between now and then. I’m really hoping there’s enough chaos between now and the end of the season, so ownership sees that wholesale change is necessary.

    • Peter says:

      Since my highlights are the post game podcasts….i would actually love to see Seattle catch fire so there’s a reason to watch the games.

      Green Bay at Lambeau…it’s been a loss for every road opponent in that series for 13 years.

      AZ…twice who at least for now are red hot if not white hot.

      And the rams…who have had our number virtually every game since “the reset.”

      Playing not to lose against the ghost of big ben and the saints have me thinking outside looking in with the first losing record in forever.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Carroll isn’t winning Wilson round now.

      It’s done.

      Too much water under the bridge.

      He’s not being kidded by a late season resurgence that doesn’t go anywhere.

      • Jason M says:

        I’m afraid Rob is right on this one! It sucks as a fan, but we had some good years. It’s time to move on and compete with the new young guys in the division.

  10. Peter says:

    Nine games left and I’m predicting the season record at 8 wins, 9 losses.

    I really hope at this point PC packs it in and rides off to USC or speaking gigs before he becomes a villain. Todd Leiweke (sp?) Is just up the road still in the fold with the Vulcan family to help look for a coach if not both a coach and a gm.

    With a bit of cap savings this year and a middle-high second round pick to start with I’d like Seattle to spend on o-line at least according to Sportrac there’s a few names that at least look like upgrades and focus the pick on a Center.

    The defense is garbage but w/o future casting a new coach a good/great center going forward is not scheme/vision dependent but it’s the most boring upgrade that pays dividends all over for a new offense.

  11. cha says:

    What I keep reflecting on lately is the fact that Pete Carroll had the perfect acid test in that 3 game stretch without Russell Wilson, and couldn’t deliver.

    So many times over the years, when asked by the press to talk about Russ’ brilliance, Pete has done so, but then added the qualifier that it is his system or his game strategy that is pointing the way to success.

    He got a chance to prove that is true and absolutely fumbled it.

    We got excuse after excuse as to why the Seahawks lost winnable games.

    -‘the effort was there we just didn’t win’
    -‘we executed the game plan we wanted to we just didn’t win’

    The choice of Geno as a backup
    The inability to get Geno ready and/or trust him to make throws to your star wide receivers
    The refusal to play Alton Robinson
    The choice to punt deep in Steeler territory – twice – rather than go for it or try a long FG

    All those things add up to a big signal about who the Seahawks should be rolling with in 2022.

    Imagine the strangehold he’d have on the organization with the knowledge that the team was 2-3 with Russ and 3-0 without him. My goodness.

    • Matthew says:

      Excuses, but also a huge he came out of that admitting he wouldn’t have been here so long if it wasn’t for Wilson. Hopefully Pete retires at the end of this year.

  12. cha says:

    Next Gen Stats
    · 11h
    UPDATE: Jevon Holland (21 blitzes) and Brandon Jones (17) did not just blitz more times than any defensive back in any game this season — the two Dolphins safeties blitzed more times than any DB in a game in the Next Gen Stats era (dating back to 2016).

    Combined $2.6m cap hit for 2021.

    • Paul Cook says:

      I didn’t realize it was quite that pronounced statistically, but that blitzing scheme definitely stood out all game long. Was pretty impressed with how spirited the Dolphins played given their poor record and season so far. Not many saw that game turning out the way it did.

    • Big Mike says:

      But he’s the “best in the nation” cha, c’mon!
      So are they higher ranked by PFF than 50ish?

    • Big Mike says:

      Maybe if Pete goes and Flores stays in Miami we could interest them in the guy that set the ALL-T%IME RECORD for sacks by a DB……if we ate 3/4 of his salary I’m guessing. Still a win for the Hawks.

  13. Paul Cook says:

    Being a Seahawk and Husky fan, I have grown so tired and frustrated in recent years at stubborn head coaches who won’t change their approach to the game from both a schematic and personnel standpoint when it’s absolutely called for. You don’t have to be an expert to see when something’s not working and a change in approach is needed. You just have to be open-minded enough and willing to admit that you just might be wrong about something.

    It looks like Jimmy Lake will soon be gone. I’m hoping the same about PC.

    • Thomas Wells says:

      Wouldn’t it be cool if Pete stepped down from the hawks, went back to college, and built a powerhouse at UW? The hawks keep Russ and hire Daboll. Everyone wins. Except Jimmy Lake. Jimmy lake goes to manage a TGI Fridays

  14. bmseattle says:

    “Russell Wilson and Beckham are close. I would suggest closer than many fans realise. ”

    Why am I suddenly thinking of Earl Thomas and his brother?

  15. Sneekes says:

    A significant losing record could be advantageous here. I worry ownership will back Pete regardless; I think we need Pete to choose to retire (at least as HC). Does 8-9 do that? I’m not sure. I reckon 6-11 does.

    I think that objectively now, but come kick-off I’ll still be hoping we we beat whoever we play.

    • Jordan E says:

      It will get Pete fired for sure. Jets will get a top 5 pick and Russ will leave. Objectively we will be terrible but maybe if the new regime can somehow make good picks and bring free agents and/or save things we have a shot… If I am Russell I am extremely pissed. Imagine too if Stafford gets MVP votes or SB. Russ is a better QB but wont be recognized as such if he cant win the big one again. One thing at a time I guess 😳

    • Simo says:

      I tend to agree with you here Sneeky, but it’s hard to say how Pete will react in any given situation. Does a really poor record push him out the door? What if he doesn’t want to end his career with a 6-11 non-playoff team? Will he be more inclined to run it back one more year?

      Will he be okay to fade away with a marginal record, say 9-8, make the playoffs but lose in the first round again? It’s probably not how anyone wants to end a long and mostly distinguished career.

      And I do think Pete will have a lot of say in how/when he walks out the door! I just don’t see him being fired, so we better hope he sees the writing on the wall and walks away gracefully!

  16. Roy Batty says:

    I’m listening to 710 and they are making the argument that OBJ not signing is no big deal, since Russ has Tyler and DK.

    Literally, in the next discussion they talked about DK having a nagging foot injury.

    Saying one thing, then ignoring one of the main reasons you get a 3rd star like OBJ, in the very next discussion, is just mind boggling.

    • Jordan E says:

      How can they even make that argument. Cooper Kupp & Robert Woods are ballers too… the argument that 2 WRs are enough is just lazy and uneffortful.

      • Roy Batty says:

        It is baffling.

        Everyone making that argument comes back with the Dee Eskridge mantra.

        Sure, he looked good in the couple of snaps he played, but that was months ago. The guy had a major concussion, which can lead to more concussions.

        The most infuriating thing about those fans is that they are the same ones claiming the Hawks can make a run for the playoffs and refuse to acknowledge the serious problems with this franchise. Sure they can make a run, but injuries are a fact of life. Having that 3rd star limits the damage an injury can inflict.

      • Group Captain Mandrake says:

        And just to prove Roy’s point, Woods is gone for the year with a knee injury. Oh, look, they already have a replacement for him.

    • cha says:

      Tampa Bay will likely be without Gronk, Antonio Brown and Chris Godwin this weekend.

      Thank goodness they’ve still got Mike Evans, OJ Howard, Cameron Brate, and Tyler Johnson on the roster and Breshaud Perriman and Jaydon Mickens on the practice squad.

      Get outta here with that malarkey 710.

    • Rob Staton says:

      It’s not about whether they desperately needed another receiver

      It’s all about the way people like OBJ view the opportunity to play in Carroll’s system and the impact it has on Wilson’s future

      There’s only one topic worth discussing

      Carroll and Wilson’s future

    • Denver Hawker says:

      Well, Robert Woods tore his ACL yesterday in practice. So there’s that..

  17. Blitzy the Clown says:

    I’ve watched Pete Carroll as a HC for 20 years. And the Pete Carroll I see at the podium in this season’s pressers is a different looking and sounding Pete Carroll than I’ve seen before. And it’s not his age.

    I don’t see gung-ho, rah-rah Pete anymore. I don’t see the enthusiasm or excitement. Oh sure, I hear him say that kind stuff, from time to time, but I don’t see any authenticity behind it. I see a guy mostly going through the motions, spouting the same tired clichés about this player or that play, with more-than-occasional slips of bristling, annoyance and condescension at reporters who ask serious questions, that is when serious questions are even asked.

    At USC, Pete had a seemingly endless supply of top tier (college) QBs – Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley. In Seattle, he’s had one top tier QB. And he recently acknowledged that he wouldn’t still be Seattle’s HC without Wilson.

    The only way I think Pete doesn’t retire at the end of this season is if the team goes on a major winning streak and makes a meaningful playoff run, AND if Wilson decides not to seek a trade and stay in Seattle. But we already know, to a high degree of certainty, that Wilson will not remain in Seattle if Carroll does, regardless of how this season ends. So I don’t see any way Carroll doesn’t retire.

    I just think he’s done.

  18. James Z says:

    The ‘Hawks lost out on their bid to land OBJ. If they could only get Robert Hunt in the off season they’d be set at right guard and occasionally WR, too. Aren’t these the kind of multi-dimensional players PC likes…

  19. cha says:

    Peter King (about 3:43 mark)

    “Do you know what Sean McVay and Les Snead both said internally after this got done? They basically were talking among their front office group, and what was amazing was how much OBJ knew about our organization, about our offense, and about our building. He told them ‘I’ve studied your culture, I’ve studied your offense, I’ve studied your building.'”

    Sounds like OBJ did his homework. And that says a lot that Seattle wasn’t in the conversation.

  20. Paul Cook says:

    For college football and draft prospect fans, the current CFP poll…

    1) Georgia
    2) Alabama
    3) Oregon
    4) Ohio State
    5) Cincinnati
    6) Michigan
    7) Michigan State
    8) Oklahoma
    9) Notre Dame
    10) Oklahoma State
    11) Texas A&M
    12) Wake Forest

    I don’t know how one could have watched Oregon the past few weeks and think they are the #3 team in the nation. Personally speaking, my top 4 would be Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Oklahoma.

    Maybe not great games this weekend, but a bunch of good games with conference positioning and rankings on the line, as well as some good NFL prospects to see…

    Purdue @ Ohio State
    Georgia @ Tennessee
    Michigan @ Penn State
    Oklahoma @Baylor
    Texas A&M @ Ole Miss
    Minnesota @ Iowa
    Arizona State @ Washington

    …a few others.

    For me it’s going to be very interesting to watch Oklahoma true freshman QB sensation Caleb Williams these last three regular season games against quality opponents like #13 Baylor, #10 Oklahoma State, and preseason top 15 ranked Iowa State, and then the probable Big 12 championship game.

    It will be interesting to see if he can soon elevate Oklahoma into the top 4 as a true national title contender, and possibly even propel himself into one of the final candidates for the Heisman Trophy. This guy has it all in spades. Let’s see if he can continue to do the remarkable.

    • Rob Staton says:

      That would also be my top four

      • Paul Cook says:

        My head must be screwed on right today then. 🙂

        I just can’t find a QB out there besides Caleb Williams. I thought that Purdue QB looked as good as anyone else I’ve seen this year and he wasn’t even the starter going into this year. Howell looked like a slightly better version of Sam Ehlinger when I watched him past night. Ridder’s okay, I guess. Pickett’s is somewhat solid and mature, but not a reach at all to me. Corrall has his moments, but then has his other moments right after that. And of course a bunch others that I’ve looked at but nothing memorable.

        I’ve floated Baker Mayfield as about the only QB I can think of besides Watson who might be available in a RW off season move that at least doesn’t represent a total collapse of the position if RW moves on.

        Yup. RW over PC every day of the week and three times on Sunday.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Pickett is too hesitant in the pocket and lacks a wow factor — and he’s the best of the bunch!

          I have significant notes on all the big name college QB’s and this is a terrifying 2022 group

    • Big Mike says:

      I know you’re a UW fan Paul and as a result, you quite probably despise the Ducks but to put Ohio St. above them when both are one loss teams and Oregon beat them head to head IN COLOUMBUS would make an ever bigger travesty of the rankings than they already are imo.

      Look ESPN controls this whole thing and I know damned good and well they don’t want Oregon in the final 4 but the inconvenient truth is that it would make it look as contrived as it actually is if they put Ohio St. in and not Oregon. They’re really going to be screwed if Georgia beats Alabama in the SEC title game and Oregon wins out. I guarantee you they would prefer a 2 loss, non-conference champion Alabama over Oregon (or Cincy for that matter). And don’t look now but everyone’s favorite semi-final whipping boy team Notre Dame only has one loss. You know ESPN would love the ratings they’d bring to another semi beatdown. Guarantee they’re rooting for an Oklahoma loss somewhere to help Notre Dame.

      Lastly, do I think Oregon will win out? Extremely unlikely cuz they nearly always lose 2 games they shouldn’t which means there’s one left on the schedule. Could be Wazzu this weekend or Oregon St. or Utah in the conference title game.

      • Paul Cook says:

        I sort of get why they are ranked where they are now. And to beat OSU in the horse shoe was a monumental victory for them. But they’ve looked pretty awful these past weeks. That OSU win is a distant memory now. Oklahoma and Caleb Williams would wipe the floor with them if they played now, IMO. So would OSU in a rematch, also IMO.

        I mean, UW should have put Oregon away in the first half last week, they were that bad. It’s only because of our coaching and an utterly inept offense in every way that they got out of the first half with a one point lead. Even Thibodeaux did nothing against us, no sacks, no hurries, no nothing. He was actually put in his place by Husky LT Jaxson Kirkland, if you can believe that.

        I don’t know how this year is going to shake out in terms of who makes it. I think Georgia makes it if they go undefeated or lose only one game. I think Alabama makes it if they win out. I think OSU makes it if they win out. I think Oregon makes it if they win out. I think Oklahoma should make it if they win out. I think Cincinnati needs to win out and needs help. I just think Michigan and Michigan State both lose at least one more game and knock themselves out. I think if Texas A&M wins out and the Red Sea parts, there might be a path.

        I don’t know…we’ll see.

        • Paul Cook says:

          PS> I forgot about Notre Dame probably because the thought of them in the CFP again turns my stomach.

          • Big Mike says:

            Oh likewise, but much of America loves them which translates to ratings. They’re the Dallas Cowboys of college football.

            • Paul Cook says:

              Definitely the broad national appeal. I grew up Catholic in Chicago. I know all about the tradition, allure, and mystique of Notre Dame football. It just never got into me in spite of all those around me who were sucked into its vortex.

      • Ben says:

        Agree that you can’t put oregon ahead of Ohio State due to the head to head result. However since that game tOSU have adjusted and are rolling. The duckies are a one dimensional offense with a decent defense. The defenses of Georgia, Alabama, would feast on the ducks & destroy them (maybe tOSU too).

        Because they play in the weak Pac12, Oregon is like the prettiest ugly girl at the dance. That said they’ve done what they’ve needed to do at this point, so give them credit. However IMHO I don’t see them making the playoffs.

        • Paul Cook says:

          That’s Oregon. Full credit for knocking off OSU on the road. But they also lost to a very weak Stanford team as well, a Stanford team that lost to UW, Washington State, and the Utah Utes 52-7.

    • TomLPDX says:

      I’m really looking forward to tomorrow’s college games. Should be fun!

    • DriveByPoster says:

      Agree that OU/Baylor is the game to watch. I haven’t seen either team so far this season. Over the last few seasons I’ve developed a bit of a soft spot for Baylor. They are one of those sneaky dangerous teams that always seems to play above their talent level. Whenever I’ve watched them they have had sound fundamentals on D (i.e. they know how to tackle properly & stick to their assignments) & that speaks to me of good coaching & good team spirit.

  21. Jordan says:

    I know the league and its partners are going to try to sell all of this parity as a good thing, but I’m not so sure.

    It seems like a league full of mediocre to decent teams any given week. Aside from Arizona on one extreme and Jax, Det, Hou on the other.

    I’m finding myself rarely entertained by the NFL product this season, aside from like the Robert Hunt play and Michael Dickson double punt. Even the Chiefs are a dull watch this season.

    I think Brady emerging from this vast sea of ‘blah’ with another Lombardi is a wise bet.

  22. cha says:

    No Chris Carson Sunday per Pete.

  23. Dave says:

    Thing is, Pete got these “recruits” in the past, because Hawks were winning and a SB contender. This was all despite his same philosophy.

    Now that he’s not winning, which is most likely the result of lack of adaptation + poor trades + poor drafts, he’s lost that luster.

    • McZ says:

      I think, the 2019 ProBowl was instrumental in the loosing of appeal.

      Really, this game is for fun, and PC went in and tried to convince the stars attending to play his style of “keep is close anti-football”.

      Since then, apart from massively overpaying on Jamal Adams, there is not a single competent FA or tradeable player really considering Seattle as a landing spot.

  24. JLemere says:

    To be honest, it looks like it is set up to where JS runs the franchise, which if that is the case, RW will be out the door whether he likes it or not. So expect 3 1st rounds and 2 players this upcoming offseason.

  25. cha says:

    RW and Eskridge officially activated from IR, Blair to IR and Mabry waived.

    • 12th chuck says:

      they showed the nfc championship highlights against greenbay. Damn, that was a good team. Look at the hawks now, I always knew when the team came crashing back down, it would suck, but I never thought I would be somewhat bitter about it

  26. Charles Hirsch says:

    Just looked at the weather forecast for Sunday game. 70% chance of snow! Thinking the game plan will be run it up the middle three times and then punt!

    • bmseattle says:

      Here’s a more extensive quote from Pete, for context…

      ““That’s what we did, [G.M.] John [Schneider] took it all the way through and made sure we knew what was going on. He had picked the place that he wanted to go to once he cleared waivers and he got a chance to do that.”

      I’m sure that Russ is satisfied with that.

    • Big Mike says:

      Nearly the exact quote that was predicted 2 days ago on this board only it was said that it would be “in it to the end”. Same thing.

      • Forrest says:

        Yep! I almost laughed.

        This is a savvy board. Rob, Curtis and all of you always have fantastic insights. If Pete is this predictable to us, it’s no wonder Richard Sherman and Michael Bennett caught on to the rhetoric (“win forever”, “always compete”, “tell the truth”, etc.). That worked for college athletes who stayed four years or less. …and it worked in the beginning here. But, at some point it’s better for a book than savvy veterans.

    • Tomas says:

      Well, that the sting away, right?

    • Cortez Kennedy says:

      well at least they didn’t just take it half way. I’m sure the team will be energized by this Sunday in Lambeau.

      What a completely dull and uninspiring season. I can’t wait to see Russ return to the shackles of Peteball and an overmatched, undercoached defense getting turned out by a bitter Aaron Rodgers. Lots of pile jumping and preening by #33 too of course.

  27. Sea Mode says:

    As if there was any doubt:

    Tom Pelissero

    #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is back in the building and set to be activated from the COVID list and will start Sunday against the #Seahawks, per sources.

    Rodgers vs. Russell Wilson at Lambeau Field.

  28. Forrest says:

    Looks like it will be snowing and 35 degrees. On defense: Can we stop the run and get pressure up front? Can we jam at the line and avoid free releases for easy dip and dunk? After COVID, Rodgers shouldn’t be running much. Are we game planning for quick passes? Or are we going to see predictable blitzes by Adams, easily being picked up and leaving gaping holes for run after the catch on short passes? Can we identify and react to a screen passes – they’re coming! Wish we had Geno Atkins wrecking the middle!

    On offense: Why not roll Wilson out of the pocket to give our receivers time to get through the snow and then separate with some cuts and double moves that cause defenders to slip (you can tell your line that Wilson’s going to roll right and let them block that way, rather than guessing as he tries to escape the pocket). Will Wilson throw the ball away and avoid unnecessary sacks? 3rd and 15 won’t work!

  29. Tomas says:

    Clayton in prime form right now on 710, emphasizing that the Seahawks must get the running game going against the Pack in order to attain a better third-down conversion rate. Right. On a more serious note, and realizing that SOME running will be important, I wonder how Collin’s groin injury may impact his abilities. With the bad news about Carson, I haven’t heard much about Collin’s fitness, though I know he’s scheduled to play.
    Clayton just a second ago: Ram Robert Woods out for the season, torn ACL. Lucky they picked up Beckham.

  30. Ryan Purcell says:

    I’m wondering if we will see somewhat of a new Russ after his three game stint of sitting on the sidelines. A little less boom or bust? A little more staying on schedule?

  31. Jordan says:

    Jevon Holland blitzed 21 times on Thursday. That feels like an insane number.

  32. Paul Cook says:

    If you like your football this way, both Oklahoma/Baylor and Michigan/Penn State locked into low scoring gritty games.

  33. Albert Bryan Butler says:

    If you are looking for a good Division II contest to scout, #2 Valdosta State is visiting #4 University of West Florida here in Pensacola tonight. UWF Quarterback Austin Reed is 14-1 as a starter, throwing 40 touchdowns and rushing for six.

  34. OP_Chillin says:

    Seahawks are 31st in % kicks made… Maybe I wasn’t too far off in my Myers overreaction. :/

  35. BruceN says:

    Good article Rob. It will be an interesting offseason. For the first time in many years I get the impression maybe Pete is also considering to move on. I still prefer the option that you brought up before the season, for Pete to move up and become the culture setter, grand poobah and we bring in new blood. A younger, more creative and aggressive coach in the McVay mold.

    Sometimes you have to have luck on your side in addition to being good. Rams just lost Robert Woods for the season. They already have a better replacement in OBJ. Now, he will be more of a focus than he would’ve been otherwise. Oh joy.

    • TomLPDX says:

      My only worry about that scenario is that he becomes a Tom Coughlin type of grand poobah that continues to put his stamp on the team and not let the coaches do what they are best at. Not sure Pete has that in his makeup.

    • Rob Staton says:

      In fairness I never suggested Pete move upstairs. He’s too much of a meddler. I suggested the only way for it to work with Pete as HC was to become a figurehead leader and let the OC and DC determine scheme. But Pete isn’t willing to do that so…

  36. Rob Staton says:

    Just seen Dane Brugler has Ikem Ekwonu as his NUMBER FIVE overall prospect for the 2022 draft

    I don’t know what some of these writers watch, frankly

    • KD says:

      After you get past the legit four or five legit first round prospects, why wouldn’t he be a top 10 pick? This draft class is really garbage yo.

    • KD says:

      This combine is going to be more important than ever though. Go for the best athletes on the board and hope for the best.

  37. Sea Mode says:

    Dang, that’s crazy. I guess OBJ gets the chance he dreamed of.

    Adam Schefter

    Robert Woods hurt his knee at practice Friday. He went down, got up, finished practice, conducted interviews with the media after, nobody thought anything wrong…and then tests discovered later that he tore his ACL, per sources.

  38. Sea Mode says:

    Just try to imagine words like these ever coming out of PC’s mouth…

    After a 22-10 loss to Miami on Thursday night, Ravens coach John Harbaugh took the full blame for the outcome.

    “Hats off to the Dolphins,” Harbaugh told reporters. “They played a very good football game. Outcoached us, outplayed us, and won the football game. So bottom line is this falls squarely on me as the head coach. We were not not prepared the way we need to be prepared. Our schemes weren’t up to snuff. And we weren’t prepared to execute the way we needed to. So that’s it. Not on one player. Our players played their hearts out. They worked hard all week. They did everything we could to be prepared, and just weren’t ready. That’s on me.”

  39. Blitzy the Clown says:

    These effen Huskies…

    When it rains on Seattle sports, it really pours

  40. Rob Staton says:

    A quick reminder that some of the ‘Russell isn’t actually that good, Jamal Adams is playing brilliantly’ brigade also think Steve Sarkisian is a genius.


    • Big Mike says:

      And Gonzaga beat the 5th ranked Texass basketball team last night by 12 in a game that wasn’t really that close. 🙂

      But yeah, a loss to Kansas is a fireable offense if I’m the Texass AD.

  41. cha says:


    The NFL doubling down on the flag on Cassius Marsh for taunting the sideline by including a fine.

    If posing and staring at the sideline is a taunting penalty, why hasn’t Jamal Adams been flagged multiple times per game?

    Answer: It’s because Marsh did his “taunt” after a huge play with a big momentum swing.

    Adams hasn’t made huge plays this year. He’s just hot air. The refs are ignoring it because it’s just bluster that isn’t worth paying attention to.

    It’s not taunting if you flex and stare at the opposing sideline after giving up a 15-yard play.

    • Rob Staton says:

      The NFL is ruining the sport with these nonsense rules

      Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

    • Big Mike says:

      You mean like the holding they called on Seattle after the Rapistberger fumble that both Collinsworth and McAuley said wasn’t holding?
      You don’t think the NFL steers games via officials do you?
      Signed Super Bowl XL*

  42. Rob Staton says:

    My prediction for today:

    The game at Lambeau Field will be similar to Seattle’s last few visits.

    Aaron Rodgers will dice the defense with a ‘death by a thousand cuts’ approach. It’ll be crossing route after crossing route. Then the occasional shot play, with a confused cornerback (or Benson Mayowa) struggling to cover Davante Adams.

    Pete Carroll will feel validated by the close nature of the Pittsburgh and New Orleans’ losses and the win against lowly Jacksonville and will proceed with his preferred brand of football. It will be reminiscent of the situation leading into the Rams playoff game last year, where a cluster of performances against poorly quarterbacked opponents created a false sense of reality.

    The Seahawks will be trailing at half-time, possibly by double digits.

    It will all be up to Russell Wilson to try and muster a comeback of sorts. I’m not sure if he’ll be able to do it in his first game back after having a serious finger injury.

    The Seahawks will be 3-6 going into a game against Arizona. The fans who’ve spent the week warmed by talk of a tilt for the seventh seed (which will amount to no more than delaying the inevitable anyway) will revert back to pondering the future of the franchise.

    Hope I’m wrong. If I am, I’ll happily write about being wrong in the instant reaction post.

    • cha says:

      Fox preview show just now.

      Charles Woodson: I see Aaron Rodgers struggling today.

      The Entire Panel in Unison: Against the Seattle defense?!

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      I think there will be energy around Russ’s return, and I think it’s possible Seattle jumps to an early lead. But by the middle of the 3rd quarter GB will have taken control of the game, notwithstanding any late-game heroics by #3.

      • cha says:

        There’s two energies in this game. Russ’ miraculous return from injury and Rodgers’ ego badly needing to win to deflect from a week of bad press and ridiculous statements.

        Which coach do you think understands the mojo better and will let his QB take that energy out on the opposition?

        • Blitzy the Clown says:

          We both know the answer, but the energy of Rodgers’ ego personally needing a win to save face probably won’t boost the Pack’s energy quite like Russ’s miraculous return will boost the Seahawks.

          I don’t think Seattle will win, but I don’t think GB will cake walk their way to one either.

        • Big Mike says:

          That’s a tough one……………I’ll take Matt LeFleur for $500 Alex.

      • Rob Staton says:

        I think this is going to be a long, long day for Seattle

    • bmseattle says:

      Oh, come on Rob… you can’t just predict the most obvious/likely outcome! 😉

    • MychestisBeastmode says:

      I hope you are wrong. Nothing gives me more pleasure than sticking it to Aaron Rodgers in horrible gut wrenching kind of victory.

      Though, if Green Bay does get us, I have a feeling Aaron Jones and the other RB will have more to do with it than Rodgers.

    • GoHawks5151 says:

      Optimistic prediction because why not?

      Seattle has been good coming off the bye in recent seasons. They open it up on O and are good enough on D. Seattle usually has one game where they punch above their heads every year (KC 2018). This is it. They haven’t won in GB in decades. The law of averages gets GB. Biggest reason: Russ goes nuclear and establishes his dominance in the franchise.

      Side note: Thank God Mac Jones didn’t go to SF. No wonder Shanny wants out

    • BruceN says:

      I agree with everything except the Pete part. Unless we play a very good game today I suspect both Russell and Pete will start thinking about the next step. With Reed’s aggressive playing style (playing press coverage) and poor footing due to the snow look for a double move by Rodgers to burn him.

    • Kyle R says:

      The best part of this comment is the Benson Mayowa in coverage part. I shake my head and cry/laugh everytime.

  43. EP says:

    Johnathan Taylor!!! Nah in fact never mind, we have Jordyn Brooks

  44. Big Mike says:

    Baker Mayfield is shit but man all those commercials are awesome aren’t they?

    • Big Mike says:

      If I am Cleveland I am absolutely all in on Russ or Watson this off season and I am not paying Mayfield if I am able to get one of them. Cleveland is in quarterback purgatory right now, stuck between having to pay a mediocre quarterback or let him go and start over with a roster that is good enough to get to the Super Bowl with a good quarterback. This guy won’t ever take them there.

  45. 206 says:

    I feel there are a lot of teams that are just a franchise QB away from being contenders. This is obvious, but damn there are a lot of solid rosters! Washington is standing out this morning for sure.

    • Kyle R says:

      This is why I choose Wilson over Pete every time. If we clean house and get in a new front office and coaching staff I have hope they can turn over a build a good roster, however, what good is that if you don’t have a franchise QB to top it off?!

  46. Kyle R says:

    Wow Crosby has been terrible

  47. cha says:

    Run Russell RUN

  48. Big Mike says:

    Pocic at center. Not sure it matters tho

  49. Big Mike says:

    3-5 and we’re punting. Unreal

  50. Kyle R says:

    That whole sequence was just odd. It looked like he had the yardage and then after talk they said he didn’t? And you guys remember when it used to be Big Balls Pete…..yeah that call to punt is the opposite of that.

    • Blitzy the Clown says:

      No offense to his fellow septuagenarians, but Pete’s level of risk taking is pretty much what you’d expect from a 70 year old. That is to say, not much at all. Gotta play it safe. Play to keep what you have, not to gain more.

  51. cha says:

    Hey CBS, you’re not going to explain what just happened with the spot?

    Nope. Let’s talk about Aaron Rodgers’ vaccination status some more.

  52. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Brooks and Adams will get credit for that TFL, but really it was Poona who set them up. Either way, good to get off the field.

  53. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Defense stepping up so far today. Time for the offense to match it them.

    Oh my, a Gerald Everett target!

  54. cha says:

    Lockett draws DPI’s better than any WR in the NFL.

  55. Robbie says:

    Brown just got worked!

  56. Big Mike says:

    What the hell is this franchise going to do at LT? And no, it’s not Stone Forsyth

    • Kyle R says:

      It’s almost like to protect your franchise QB and to be a bully in the running game you should invest in your OL for the present and future. Especially when you LT is in the twilight of his career.

  57. OP_Chillin says:

    Crap flea flicker, but the WR on the offense left (I think it was Hart) burned his guy and Russ didn’t look that way. Then DB really gonna get beat by Mercilus that quickly?

  58. Big Mike says:

    Poor throw by Rodgers

  59. cha says:

    Freddie Swain, were you instructed to fair catch?

    That’s the level of trust I have in Pete – I think he told Swain to fair catch it.

  60. AlaskaHawk says:

    Defense looking better today. Is Adams playing?

  61. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Pass was behind him, but c’mon DK

  62. OP_Chillin says:

    This is boring

  63. Blitzy the Clown says:

    There aren’t many great play calls on 3rd and long, but that definitely wasn’t one of them

  64. Big Mike says:

    Not taking advantage of field position. Could we have run that play to Everett on first down?

  65. Kyle R says:

    This is shaping up to be a game of which Defense breaks first and I don’t like our odds in that case. Pete is still coaching like he does though.

  66. 206 says:

    This is probably making Pete so happy

  67. AlaskaHawk says:

    Diggs is the safety that should have gotten the bigger contract.

  68. Big Mike says:

    Dear Seahawks:
    That’s called a “screen pass” (and that’s how you run one).

  69. WallaSean says:

    Show pony sighting! Let’s see him get home now.

  70. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Terrible missed holding call against GB

  71. Big Mike says:

    Refs ignore crackback block on Neal. “Legacy franchise”

  72. Scot04 says:

    So tired of 3 man D-line rushes on 3rd down. It feels like it always results in giving up a 1st down

  73. Blitzy the Clown says:

    If Amadi and Ford are blocking your passes, you might be throwing just a little low.

  74. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Poona Ford was being held so badly it’s astounding.

  75. Ashish says:

    That’s was clear plenty on Neal. BS on explanation

  76. Kyle R says:

    For the love of God please use the TE more! Just like that play!

  77. OP_Chillin says:

    Ugh that’s frustrating the pocket was fine just hang in there for a sec and DK was gone!

  78. Robbie says:

    Russ missed it. He’s playing timid

  79. Big Mike says:

    FFS, he’s open as Wilson’s being sacked.

  80. Bmseattle says:

    I see Russ still doesnt take the quick, easy play on 3rd.
    Lookimg for the big play results in another sack.
    And…DK was open, too.

  81. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Prototypical Peteball game. Just sucks all the fun out of it

  82. Trevor says:

    Hawks offsense looks dreadful.

    • WallaSean says:

      Offense is clearly the problem at this point. A mediocre D paired with a top ten O was the formula that was workable for this season.

      • Peter says:

        Wait. Hold up. The offense sucks. But it’s okay to have a mediocre defense? From a defensive coach? With the draft capitol spent on the d over four years?

      • WallaSean says:

        Yes, because that’s clearly what I stated. .Tell me why you believe the D is the problem with an offense last in time of possession, and a D that is top 10 in scoring, yunno based on some evidence in a perceived reality?

  83. Hawks4life says:

    Still haven’t learned how to attack the middle of the field I see

  84. Ashish says:

    Offense is hard to watch..

  85. Rokas says:

    And if/when defense collapses on the 3rd quarter, it’s offense fault whick keeps the defense on the field for 75% of the time.

  86. Trevor says:

    Rob I prefer at 3rd option. No Pete and no Russ. Time to get as much draft capital as possible and start a complete roster rebuild. Forget a rookie QB this draft and start rebuilding the entire roster then start looking for a QB in following draft.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Then you prefer the very likely possibility of the Seahawks becoming a horrendous football team, possibly for a long time

      • Trevor says:

        I prefer horrendous for a couple of years to a decade of 11-6 with a 1st round playoff loss.

      • Trevor says:

        There are 10 QBs in the league right now I would take over Russ and he is only getting older and will only want more $ and control. If the choice is Russ or Pete I pick Russ but I don’t think either gets the Hawks back to being a Super Bowl caliber team.

  87. Big Mike says:

    Ticky tack
    “legacy franchise”

  88. OP_Chillin says:

    Poona in coverage hehe

  89. Pran says:

    It’s irritating to see Pete, Ken and Offense. Just blow the shit up already!

  90. Big Mike says:

    clearly recovered by Taylor
    “legacy franchise”

  91. dand393 says:

    Wow Pete fumbling around for the challenge flag being so Badly prepared is so in-line with this season pretty comical

  92. OP_Chillin says:

    0 points and 56 yards of offense. That’s the most infuriating thing about this game to me by miles.

  93. Bmseattle says:

    Love him or hate him…Rodgers is damn good.

  94. James Cr. says:

    This game is just sooooo boring.

  95. Ashish says:

    Rob’s prediction of double digits down by half looking good.

  96. Hawks4life says:

    The right tackle keeps jumping the start. Why are the refs letting that slide this year….

  97. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Great PBU by Tre Brown! Nice to see.

  98. Big Mike says:

    That’s the 2nd or 3rd time this year Tre Brown has put a hit on someone

  99. OP_Chillin says:

    Why did Everett not go out of bounds?

  100. Big Mike says:

    Terrible decision by Everett

  101. Blitzy the Clown says:

    That was a pretty sweet catch

  102. OP_Chillin says:

    Absolutely terrible. How the hell do you get a holding call there?!

  103. Kyle R says:

    How in the Hell is that goddamn holding!!!?

  104. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Terrible call. These refs are so biased it’s disgusting

  105. Big Mike says:

    Romo: that’s not a penalty

    NFL: but Green Bay is a legacy franchise

  106. Sea Mode says:

    What a BS call

    • Pran says:

      Offense is crap.. a call here n there would not make much difference. No guarantee Myers makes that Kick anyways considering how he is this season.

  107. OP_Chillin says:

    Maybe if Lewis could’ve not got dominated they wouldn’t have called that.

  108. Kyle R. says:

    So a bullshit holding call and a stupid play by Everett making take a timeout early in that drive cost us a field goal attempt.

  109. Trevor says:

    Since the middle of last year Wilson has been an average NFL QB best and some games has looked flat out awful. You can blame Pete or the OC or OL but he has not looked good.

    • OP_Chillin says:

      To be fair in this game he is coming back from a throwing hand injury. More concerning is the persistent issue with pocket presence. I have liked the quick game and involving the TEs.

      • Big Mike says:

        I’m guessing Trevor isn’t interested in “to be fair”

        • Trevor says:

          You are right Mike I am not. if he was not ready to play then don’t play. If he is playing then he is playing. People killed Adams when he played with a bum shoulder in the playoffs last year and sucked.Rightfully so!

      • Scot04 says:

        Agree OP, coming back like he did. I definitely wasn’t expecting him to be vintage Wilson

    • Scot04 says:

      Many top QBs would look average or worse behind our O-lines

    • AlaskaHawk says:

      Considering Wilson had a hand injury and missed three games- I’m not blaming him for anything this game. It’s basically a get back to fighting shape game for him.

    • Rob Staton says:

      Major overreaction

      • Trevor says:

        Rob the final 5 games of last year, playoffs and this year so far how would you rate Wilson’s play?

  110. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Well, it could be a lot worse. Only 3 points between them and we get the ball to start the second half

  111. 206 says:

    High point DK maybe could have had a better go at that one. Anyhow, time for Pete to piss off and let Russ call the plays and get in a groove

  112. AlaskaHawk says:

    The 12-16th man is the Green Bay Referees.

    At least the score is low. Come on offense!

  113. 12th chuck says:

    nfl refs making pac 12 refs look good, wtf

  114. Rokas says:

    If anybode counted offensive linemen lying on the ground through the last decade, I am pretty sure that SEA would lead the league in this cathegory.

  115. Big Mike says:

    For all you Husky fans: Report that Jimmy Lake is fired

  116. Paul Cook says:

    I’m going to give RW a pass given his quick return from that injury. But this is just such a typical PC game. I don’t know what to say. Punt, punt, punt, punt… Why can’t we move the chains with some reasonable consistency?

    At least we’re in it. I thought most hope for a win this game would largely be in the rear view mirror by now.

  117. 12th chuck says:

    is Dee Eskridge playing?

  118. Kyle R says:

    I would actually love to see a Rams type offense come out in the second half. Quick passes and temp to help out a rusty Wilson. Come on Waldron you might be one and done anyways who cares if you piss Pete off.

  119. Leo says:

    At least Tre Brown looks like the real deal. Would be nice if the Hawks could figure out their best lineup before game 9, but Reed and Brown with Amadi at the nickel are a competitive unit at least.

  120. Big Mike says:


    • OP_Chillin says:

      Just a hair. Missed the comeback to Tyler as well. I’m surprised they aren’t running a bit more often. Passing at double/triple the rate as running right now.

  121. Kyle R says:

    How in the Hell is that not pass interference!?

  122. Pran says:

    We need another QB for short and mid range game.

  123. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Finally they call GB for holding. JFC

  124. Big Mike says:

    A penalty on the Packers? Wow

  125. Blitzy the Clown says:

    The defense hasn’t let up

  126. OP_Chillin says:

    The lack of punt return production sucks. Can we get Dallas to return punts?

  127. cha says:

    Has Eskridge gotten so much as a snap yet?

  128. OP_Chillin says:

    the fade to Hart… hmmm

  129. OP_Chillin says:

    Love that quick flat to Homer for the third down conversion!

  130. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Wow nice play call. Appropriate for the down and distance

  131. OP_Chillin says:

    Russ what the actual fuck!? Hit King right in the chest!

  132. Kyle R says:

    That better be ruled a drop and not an INT.

  133. Big Mike says:

    This will be ruled GB ball even tho he never established full possesion

  134. Gary says:

    Russ consistently holding the ball too long, that ball has got to get out on time!

  135. Sea Mode says:

    Yikes, Russ…

  136. Matt says:

    RW looks atrocious. Yeesh

    • Trevor says:

      Bu the OC is calling a bad game, the OL sucks, he doesn’t have a run game and they don’t have enough weapons. Can’t be Russ, oh and he has a bad finger. It’s never his fault for holding the ball too long, making bad decisions or just flat out playing poorly. Always someone else’s fault even though he makes $35 mil nd has the highest cap hit of any QB in the league.

  137. Big Mike says:

    Bullshit refereeing on the int an d then a false start on the right side not called.

  138. Henry Taylor says:


  139. Kyle R. says:

    I know the Seahawks aren’t helping themselves and this lost just isn’t on the Refs but my God the fix is in. In no way did he maintain control with the ground.

    • Big Mike says:

      Seattle does not deserve to win after Wilson just gave away a near sure tie. However………………every close ruling and non-call has gone Green Bay’s way.

  140. OP_Chillin says:

    Screen passes and running. Rodgers doesn’t even have to think.

    • Kyle R says:

      Imagine having an offense designed like that to help you out and play to strengths especially when you are rusty.

  141. Big Mike says:

    No need to even measure cuz well, their ball

  142. OP_Chillin says:


  143. Big Mike says:

    Rodgers returns the favor with as shitty a decision as Wilson’s. Not dead yet.

    Oh and look, the peacock made his first real impact play of the season. Kudos Jamal

  144. Henry Taylor says:

    Jamal Adams with a pick!? now I’ve seen everything

  145. Rokas says:

    Peacock comes to the rescue!😀😀

  146. Troy says:

    Adams finally got a pick!

  147. Bmseattle says:

    I guess now that he’s made a play this year, we can call him “the playmaker”.

  148. Sea Mode says:

    Such a weird game…

  149. Big Mike says:

    Eskridge sighting, slot on the left

  150. OP_Chillin says:

    Now the offense is going backwards! Unbelievable. Or expected?

    • neil says:

      not a bit of deception on offense today. Where is the jet sweep? or the fake jet sweep, not giving it to the receiver and giving it to Collins going the other way ? Stale boring offensive plan.

  151. Kyle R says:

    Someone needs to check Adams for stick-em glue on his hands

  152. OP_Chillin says:

    DK hold on to the damn ball!

  153. Big Mike says:

    FFS DK……………..sigh

  154. Gary says:

    Metcalf not doing enough to earn that next monster contract for me.

  155. OP_Chillin says:

    Welp, DB, as much as he was struggling, is injured. Jamarco Jones :'(

  156. Pran says:

    DK so inconsistent. Drops, fumbles, penalties….oh crap.

  157. Justyn says:

    Classic Metcalf. He will never be elite. He just isn’t that good at catching.

  158. Paul Cook says:

    Just painful to watch this offense. We’re holding GB and Aaron Rodgers to three point through three quarters and we can’t even get ahead and take control of this game. What an opportunity we’re blowing here.

  159. OP_Chillin says:

    Bloody hell the pass rush was completely stonewalled there.

  160. Matt says:

    I’m on the trade DK for draft capital train. He’s just not making the improvements he needs to make.

    No way I’m giving that guy a huge contract – he’s just not reliable. I’m also at the point where I just don’t like his attitude either. He’s not a bad guy by any means, but his on field demeanor…just can’t stand it.

    *And for reference; I have been as pro-DK as you could possibly be.

  161. 206 says:

    Defense playing good for sure, but to think this offense is playing like this off the bye week is pretty sad

  162. Bmseattle says:

    No explanation of that encroachment call I guess

  163. OP_Chillin says:

    Dunlap, why!?

  164. Justyn says:

    Totally agree. Get a decent pick and save 20 mil.

  165. Paul Cook says:

    I feel like it’s over if we get down 10-0.

  166. Big Mike says:

    Another fine play by peacock

  167. Justyn says:

    Us going 10 down has felt like an inevitability for the past hour

  168. OP_Chillin says:

    Wagner got dragged into the EZ. Not good enough.

  169. Big Mike says:

    Initial contact was at the 3 yd line. SIGH

  170. Rokas says:

    Zero complaints about the defense, everything including this TD is on our offense for keeping the defense on the field all game long.

  171. Pran says:

    It sure looks all on Russ. Will he get benched

  172. Paul Cook says:

    I think I’d put Geno in here. RW is still off from injury and why get him hurt trying too hard to pull this one out of the fire.

  173. Big Mike says:

    Game’s likely over but if we don’t score on this drive it is for sure imo

  174. OP_Chillin says:

    RUSS WHY?!?!

  175. Big Mike says:

    Horrible decision. Double coverage. Game over

  176. Paul Cookm says:

    That was almost close-your-eyes-and-throw-it. Almost a Hail Mary.

  177. Jordan E says:

    Is anyone actually open?

  178. Matt says:

    Complete overreaction on my part…RW looks awful and my confidence in him, long term…first time I’ve started to question it. And I’ve been calling people crazy for saying the same thing.

    • Peter says:

      Russ is good for a turd game or so a year. But down 3-5 in tge standings to the most mortal rodgers has looked all year….this is terrible.

    • Trevor says:

      He has not looked good at all since the end of last season.

  179. neil says:

    Stale boring unimaginative offense !!!

  180. EP says:

    Time I will not get back. Don’t think I was even remotely excited at any point during this game. Good night. Seahawks stink

  181. Peter says:

    Jumping john and joseph. This checks out that russ craps the bed coming back to soon and the peacock i guess is getting the game ball.

  182. Hawks4life says:

    Not much to say about this game. We knew this would be the outcome for 2 weeks. Sad part is we really could’ve won this game.

  183. OP_Chillin says:

    Wagner getting pushed back again

  184. Braden says:

    How about no Russ or pete for 2022? I like that option more.

  185. Gary says:

    This offence is broken and it doesn’t matter who the quarterback is.

  186. Sea Mode says:

    Good night.

  187. SeaTown says:


  188. John says:

    It definitely looked like Russ rushed back.

  189. Matthew says:

    Basically a Hail Mary down 10, 9 minutes left, on second down. Why the hell call that, then why the hell do you throw it?

    • Rowdy says:

      That’s how russ plays, there wasn’t a more covered layer then Tyler either. He had a wide open guy for an easy first but as russ said, he doesn’t like those plays he likes plays that win. Even though he threw a pick it doesn’t matter because sometimes it works

  190. OP_Chillin says:

    Another loss when Romo/Nantz are commentating. Just saying…

  191. pdway says:

    defense pretty much played their butts off all game.

    you leave them on the field the whole game, any defense eventually wears down.

    The offense was pathetic on all counts today. and I had some hopes coming into this game, coming off a bye w russell back, and maybe something from eskridge.

    what a bummer season this is.

  192. Paul Cook says:

    Defense played good enough to win. No doubt. I’m surprise they didn’t even look worse than they did as the second half progressed the time of possession being what it was.

  193. Big Mike says:

    Cardinals got lit up by Carolina today. Assume Murray didn’t play? Rams will win the division in the end imo.

    • Norman says:

      I dunno, Rams have kind of a “dream team” feel to them that will ultimately underperform expectations, in my opinion.

  194. Paul Cook says:

    How may passes has RW thrown in rhythm today?

    • Matt says:

      Maybe 2…RW has been awful – not sure I’ve ever seen a worse offensive performance, in every facet, than I’ve seen today.

      Playcalling horrendous.
      RW can’t read anything. Horrendous accuracy.
      OL can’t block.
      Can’t run the ball.

      Train wreck.

      • Peter says:

        Horrible spot to be in. Injured qb who comes back to soon. A coach who feels said qb should play. No rhythm to the offense. And strangely the d decides to play up to the game when no one else is home.

      • Paul Cook says:

        We could have won this game as late as the 4th quarter. That’s the thing that confounds me. We were awful. We just needed to be a little less awful.

  195. Blitzy the Clown says:

    Credit to GB for excellent coverage, but the route calling for Seattle is just hapless. There doesn’t seem to be any attempt to scheme WRs open

  196. Gary says:

    Good thing the blue hair’s keeping him so cool.

  197. Big Mike says:

    You’re such a man DK

  198. OP_Chillin says:

    Russ couldn’t hit the ocean from a boat right now. Shut out seems like it will finally happen.

  199. OP_Chillin says:

    Trying his utmost to throw that third INT

  200. Bmseattle says:

    I know Russ is lauded for how high he throws the deep pass…but sometimes low, and fast is the better throw

  201. SeaTown says:

    Sadly in order to get rid of Pete we need losses like this. 🙁

  202. Gary says:

    What the hell are the Hawks doing? Garbage time with them is so painful. Just get on the plane already.

  203. OP_Chillin says:

    Barring a miracle here they should have just taken knees because this is embarrassing

  204. Paul Cook says:


  205. SeaTown says:

    Shane Waldron has no chance working for Pete but I don’t think he’s much of an offensive guru.

  206. Gary says:

    Final time of possession: 39:09 to 20:51.

    ’nuff said.

  207. Hawkcrazy says:

    Absolutely horrible game by Russell Wilson but especially the OL. No ability to pass block or run block. No ability to run the ball. It seems we have negative offfense even if we are relying on our offense to carry us.

    Defense played well most of the day. Referees were horrendous but ultimately probably made no difference to the result. Trust in Pete is failing or dead.

    I only hope RW is still hurting because if he was ready to come back we are in the greatest problem zone possible.

    • Paul Cook says:

      The offensive line was bad, but why didn’t we adjust to a more quick strike passing offense which was called for?

    • Rob Staton says:

      Come on

      You think that’s Wilson ready to come back?

      That performance was clearly a man who is nowhere near ready

      But with Geno Smith the alternative, they were never not going to start him

      • Paul Cook says:

        I think they should have gone to Geno in the 3rd quarter or so. RW did not have great control or zip on the ball. Why get him injured playing against a D that’s going to T-off on him?

        I don’t know…I thought they were going to lose this game before the season started. It’s just that we actually had a decent chance to win the way GB was playing.

        • Rob Staton says:

          Looking to Geno Smith for a spark would’ve been like looking for a piece of wet toilet paper to hold back a speeding train.

          And I know he played well in relief vs the Rams. They were protecting a big lead by that point, not leading 3-0. And it wasn’t Lambeau in the cold