It’s simple — it’s Pete Carroll or Russell Wilson in 2022

The franchise has to choose.

Do they stick with Pete Carroll’s philosophy and a 70-year-old coach who appears to be reaching the natural conclusion of his tenure, and try to find from somewhere a competent replacement at quarterback (with one of the worst, if not the worst, quarterback draft classes upcoming)?

Or do they go in a new direction with a creative, offensive-minded leader who will have the franchise quarterback believing in the direction of the team again, making the most of the dynamic weapons at receiver and tight?

The failure to sign Odell Beckham Jr has been played down by many. Yet, in my opinion (for what it’s worth), the reason the Seahawks were never serious contenders for his signature is nothing to do with Seattle’s record, the Pacific Northwest destination or the voided money pushed into the 2022 cap.

It’s been suggested Seattle offered OBJ a deal ‘with the most concrete contract details’ by a respected insider.

As Mike Garofolo also suggests, this is all to do with offensive philosophy. Carroll’s brand of football.

Sean McVay personally called Beckham, detailed how he would be used within a creative, aggressive offensive framework — and the deal was done.

The thought of playing Carroll-ball in Seattle just isn’t appealing. For Beckham or other potential targets.

Russell Wilson and Beckham are close. I would suggest closer than many fans realise. And despite a lot of talk of OBJ being ‘unnecessary’ for Seattle — you can never have enough quality players. The Rams sense that — that’s why they’re aggressively still adding despite already being a contender. It’s also what Tampa Bay did a year ago.

The philosophy that led Beckham to fear playing in Seattle is the same philosophy that has had Wilson concerned for a long time.

The OBJ decision will not help this situation. At all.

Some will say this is all old news. The problems were well known before any of this business with a suddenly available wide receiver.

It’s more than that. It’s the fact that this week reinforced the problem, fed the growing monster that it’s becoming and should act as a warning sign to ownership.

And isn’t that the big problem? The great unknown with ownership. Not knowing whether they will make the right call when the time comes.

We don’t need to throw the baby out with the bathwater and castigate all that Carroll stands for, or undermine his great achievements in Seattle. He is a legendary coach and deserves to be recognised as such. A true hero for the franchise.

We also need to recognise when it’s time for change.

We have now reached that time.

Carroll or Wilson.

They will not both be back next season.

That’s the choice for ownership in a few weeks time.

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  1. Gross MaToast

    If Pete isn’t ushered out, the franchise will be sub-2009. I’m not certain how he might claim to be “stoked” about the arrival of Jared Goff or Mitch Trubisky, but that’s the coming reality unless RW goes Kingslayer on his ass and tells the powers that be to make a choice.

    Tv ratings and ticket prices should tell ownership everything they need to know about the direction this thing is trending. You don’t have to be a football savant to see that this is no longer a premium franchise.

    Put Pete in the Ring of Honor and send him to Malibu.

  2. Isaac

    I take splice in the fact that the Rams have no draft capital and will be in cap trouble soon. Arizona feels like a team with potential issues.

    Which offensive coordinator could you see being the next seahawks coach? Or could we pluck away a Todd Bowles? Then get an offensive coordinator in the mix that will make Russ happy.

    • Rob Staton

      We’ve been saying the Rams face cap trouble for three years.

      • Jason M

        Yes, they should be!! I think they are all in this time with the Stafford signing and now OBJ. The window should be small!
        I will say this, even though I don’t like the Rams….. this is how I’d like to see the Seahawks approach winning!

    • Mac

      The Rams have around $44 million in dead money this year. If the cap stays the same, they’ll have $5 mil next year and can try to figure out things with Von.

      They have Stafford on contract through the end of ‘22, they could sign an extension and come up with $10 mil or so in cap space easily. The cap is extremely mailable, with a couple tweaks the Rams could come up with $30-40 mil without relying on cap increases. Their downfall will be either injuries or not cultivating enough talent in the draft. We’ve had gobs of picks but haven’t done nearly as well in talent acquisition.

      • Eric

        The Rams also don’t have much draft capital so it will be tough for them to cultivate enough talent in the draft.

        I think they are banking on the cap increasing substantially in the next few years to make up for the lower cap during Covid. They might well be right.

  3. Big Mike

    It really is that simple. There will be a lot of “yeah but” in the media in Seattle and feel free to listen to it if you choose. However, it’s 100% one or the other next year and I guarantee Russ is already feeling like this year was a wasted one.

    • Rob Staton

      Without a shadow of a doubt this season has only compounded his concerns from earlier this year. There will be no more wasted seasons in Seattle under Carroll. 100%.

      • Marcus

        It’s been a few seasons now that have been wasted in mediocrity. Players and circumstances could be blamed for a single season going sideways. A stretch this long points at the person running the show.

        That said, Carroll’s greatest sin isn’t his vision. Many applauded his crystal clear vision when he got here. I (mostly) still do. And I still happen to think that Pete-ball (mostly) compliments what Wilson can and can’t do. To me, Carroll’s greatest sin is that he hasn’t effectively executed his vision in years now.

        • Rob Staton


          He has contradicted his vision numerous times with poor personnel decisions

          And they’ve drafted terribly, built the roster terribly (with a handful of obvious exceptions)

          • Big Mike

            “He has contradicted his vision numerous times with poor personnel decisions

            And they’ve drafted terribly, built the roster terribly (with a handful of obvious exceptions)”

            This, this and oh yeah, THIS!

  4. no frickin clue

    Let’s play this out. Let’s say Pete insists on staying, Jody Allen remains AWOL, and Russ forces a trade. What is the cap impact in 2022? Just curious how much this hamstrings us (or not) for next season.

    • Roy Batty

      They would incur in $26 mil in dead money if he is traded before 6/1/22. If after that date, they can spread the money over two seasons, so $13 mil in ‘22 and ‘23.

    • Rob Staton

      The cap impact has always been overrated.

      You take a dead hit in 2022 and then he’s off the books. You save tens of millions from 2023.

      Most free agent contracts have smaller year one cap hits

      So the dead money factor is non existent really

      It won’t stop people in the media harping on about it though

      • bmseattle

        I have a niggling fear that Pete will be our coach next year, with David Carr (or a similar vet) as our QB.

        • Rob Staton

          I doubt they’ll be able to wrestle Carr out of Vegas.

          Mitch Trubisky? Maybe

          Oh joy

  5. Roy Batty

    The audio of John Clayton calling everyone morons for thinking this should begin in 5, 4, 3….

    • Rob Staton

      If only you were joking! This will actually happen

      • Roy Batty

        To be sure!

        I’m stuck listening to 710, only, at work.
        Clayton throws around the “morons”, “just stupid”, and “idiot” phraseology on a regular basis.

        He has gotten so bitter.

        • Rob Staton

          John struggling to form an argument and resorting to insults…


        • bmseattle

          Clayton was part of the initial 710 “purging” a few months back.
          Then, suddenly, he was back on the air.
          It would be interesting to learn what went on behind the scenes with that decision.

          • James Z

            710 has been using Clayton’s HOF status as a marketing tool for so long that maybe they haven’t wanted to realize how irrelevant he has become. If he is ever jettisoned he’ll probably spend his remaining days and hours hunched over the computer updating his beloved data base for ‘posterity’.

            • Andrew M

              Listening to John Clayton proudly claim he grew up in the worst ghetto in the country always makes me laugh a little. Like he’s NWA street tough.

              • Rob Staton

                Can just imagine him on the streets

                Cussing out chumps who dare to suggest the Seahawks should move on from Carroll

                • TomLPDX

                  Clayton on the streets in Compton? I don’t think so.

                • Andrew M

                  Back when the Packers fired Mike McCarthy our John Clayton was incredulous because he was a Super Bowl winning coach. No doubt he feels the same way about Pete. It stood out to me then just how out of touch he had grown. In a Clayton segment last month Wyman said it was time for Ken Norton to go, and Clayton jumped down his throat, asking “ok, who do you replace him with?” Wyman didn’t chase that any further, but I suspect Dave might have suggested that Pete just take over the defense and show accountability.

                  • TomLPDX

                    Pete show accountability? Really? Since when?

                • Tomas

                  Good laugh, thanks Rob.

        • Big Mike

          Can’t you listen to KJR Roy?

          • Roy Batty

            I don’t control the radio at work. We go by a democratic rule when it comes to the radio, and I work with a plethora of Seahawk homers in Spokane. They wear their rose colored glasses 24/7.

            It becomes tedious.

          • Tomas

            Really enjoying the KJR line-up, especially Softy.

  6. Marcus

    Without a doubt, interesting times are ahead in the offseason. Major change seems inevitable at this point. And major change needs to happen. Though, I’d argue that it’s likely more than just a Carroll-or-Wilson equation.

    Would John Schneider stay on if Carroll steps down? If he does, I’m getting my popcorn ready for the inevitable showdown with Mark Rodgers.

    • Rob Staton

      Wholesale change is required

      • Marcus

        Otherwise, it’s putting lipstick on a pig.

    • bmseattle

      I wonder what, if anything, would be different if Schneider had left for Green Bay a couple years back?

    • Ashish

      I’m worried, Pete and JS stays one more because of the owner.

      Rob I see you are very confident Pete will go next year and I wish and pray it goes that way.

  7. STTBM

    Rob, well said. I’m dreading the rest of this season, and I have zero faith in ownership, just a faint hope Ownership does the math: 10 more years of a superstar QB vs a few years with a 70 yr old coach who is past his prime.

  8. 206

    Florio and Simms – “Will Pete Carroll run the offense through Russell now?” – eh, wouldnt count on it

    • Big Mike

      They already know better and so do we. For them just a talking point to fill time on their show.

  9. Simo

    I agree that wholesale change is necessary, and I strongly prefer to keep Wilson over Carroll. This means that Schneider needs to go as well, and the entire coaching staff, likely including Waldron.

    I’m just not sure that it’s 100% certain both Wilson and Carroll won’t be back. What if the team picks up the pace in the second half, plays good, sound football, and somehow makes the playoffs? What if Pete lets Russ cook and that’s the reason for the resurgence? What if they somehow win a playoff game, or even go deep in the playoffs? I realize it’s not likely all of these happen, but this team has made surprising transformations before, so one never knows.

    So, I do think there’s a remote chance they stay together beyond this year, but everything has to go perfectly between now and then. I’m really hoping there’s enough chaos between now and the end of the season, so ownership sees that wholesale change is necessary.

    • Peter

      Since my highlights are the post game podcasts….i would actually love to see Seattle catch fire so there’s a reason to watch the games.

      Green Bay at Lambeau…it’s been a loss for every road opponent in that series for 13 years.

      AZ…twice who at least for now are red hot if not white hot.

      And the rams…who have had our number virtually every game since “the reset.”

      Playing not to lose against the ghost of big ben and the saints have me thinking outside looking in with the first losing record in forever.

    • Rob Staton

      Carroll isn’t winning Wilson round now.

      It’s done.

      Too much water under the bridge.

      He’s not being kidded by a late season resurgence that doesn’t go anywhere.

      • Jason M

        I’m afraid Rob is right on this one! It sucks as a fan, but we had some good years. It’s time to move on and compete with the new young guys in the division.

  10. Peter

    Nine games left and I’m predicting the season record at 8 wins, 9 losses.

    I really hope at this point PC packs it in and rides off to USC or speaking gigs before he becomes a villain. Todd Leiweke (sp?) Is just up the road still in the fold with the Vulcan family to help look for a coach if not both a coach and a gm.

    With a bit of cap savings this year and a middle-high second round pick to start with I’d like Seattle to spend on o-line at least according to Sportrac there’s a few names that at least look like upgrades and focus the pick on a Center.

    The defense is garbage but w/o future casting a new coach a good/great center going forward is not scheme/vision dependent but it’s the most boring upgrade that pays dividends all over for a new offense.

  11. cha

    What I keep reflecting on lately is the fact that Pete Carroll had the perfect acid test in that 3 game stretch without Russell Wilson, and couldn’t deliver.

    So many times over the years, when asked by the press to talk about Russ’ brilliance, Pete has done so, but then added the qualifier that it is his system or his game strategy that is pointing the way to success.

    He got a chance to prove that is true and absolutely fumbled it.

    We got excuse after excuse as to why the Seahawks lost winnable games.

    -‘the effort was there we just didn’t win’
    -‘we executed the game plan we wanted to we just didn’t win’

    The choice of Geno as a backup
    The inability to get Geno ready and/or trust him to make throws to your star wide receivers
    The refusal to play Alton Robinson
    The choice to punt deep in Steeler territory – twice – rather than go for it or try a long FG

    All those things add up to a big signal about who the Seahawks should be rolling with in 2022.

    Imagine the strangehold he’d have on the organization with the knowledge that the team was 2-3 with Russ and 3-0 without him. My goodness.

    • Matthew

      Excuses, but also a huge he came out of that admitting he wouldn’t have been here so long if it wasn’t for Wilson. Hopefully Pete retires at the end of this year.

  12. cha

    Next Gen Stats
    · 11h
    UPDATE: Jevon Holland (21 blitzes) and Brandon Jones (17) did not just blitz more times than any defensive back in any game this season — the two Dolphins safeties blitzed more times than any DB in a game in the Next Gen Stats era (dating back to 2016).

    Combined $2.6m cap hit for 2021.

    • Paul Cook

      I didn’t realize it was quite that pronounced statistically, but that blitzing scheme definitely stood out all game long. Was pretty impressed with how spirited the Dolphins played given their poor record and season so far. Not many saw that game turning out the way it did.

      • Pran Sam

        Young and Hungry!

    • Big Mike

      But he’s the “best in the nation” cha, c’mon!
      So are they higher ranked by PFF than 50ish?

    • Big Mike

      Maybe if Pete goes and Flores stays in Miami we could interest them in the guy that set the ALL-T%IME RECORD for sacks by a DB……if we ate 3/4 of his salary I’m guessing. Still a win for the Hawks.

  13. Paul Cook

    Being a Seahawk and Husky fan, I have grown so tired and frustrated in recent years at stubborn head coaches who won’t change their approach to the game from both a schematic and personnel standpoint when it’s absolutely called for. You don’t have to be an expert to see when something’s not working and a change in approach is needed. You just have to be open-minded enough and willing to admit that you just might be wrong about something.

    It looks like Jimmy Lake will soon be gone. I’m hoping the same about PC.

    • Thomas Wells

      Wouldn’t it be cool if Pete stepped down from the hawks, went back to college, and built a powerhouse at UW? The hawks keep Russ and hire Daboll. Everyone wins. Except Jimmy Lake. Jimmy lake goes to manage a TGI Fridays

  14. bmseattle

    “Russell Wilson and Beckham are close. I would suggest closer than many fans realise. ”

    Why am I suddenly thinking of Earl Thomas and his brother?

  15. Sneekes

    A significant losing record could be advantageous here. I worry ownership will back Pete regardless; I think we need Pete to choose to retire (at least as HC). Does 8-9 do that? I’m not sure. I reckon 6-11 does.

    I think that objectively now, but come kick-off I’ll still be hoping we we beat whoever we play.

    • Jordan E

      It will get Pete fired for sure. Jets will get a top 5 pick and Russ will leave. Objectively we will be terrible but maybe if the new regime can somehow make good picks and bring free agents and/or save things we have a shot… If I am Russell I am extremely pissed. Imagine too if Stafford gets MVP votes or SB. Russ is a better QB but wont be recognized as such if he cant win the big one again. One thing at a time I guess 😳

    • Simo

      I tend to agree with you here Sneeky, but it’s hard to say how Pete will react in any given situation. Does a really poor record push him out the door? What if he doesn’t want to end his career with a 6-11 non-playoff team? Will he be more inclined to run it back one more year?

      Will he be okay to fade away with a marginal record, say 9-8, make the playoffs but lose in the first round again? It’s probably not how anyone wants to end a long and mostly distinguished career.

      And I do think Pete will have a lot of say in how/when he walks out the door! I just don’t see him being fired, so we better hope he sees the writing on the wall and walks away gracefully!

  16. Roy Batty

    I’m listening to 710 and they are making the argument that OBJ not signing is no big deal, since Russ has Tyler and DK.

    Literally, in the next discussion they talked about DK having a nagging foot injury.

    Saying one thing, then ignoring one of the main reasons you get a 3rd star like OBJ, in the very next discussion, is just mind boggling.

    • Jordan E

      How can they even make that argument. Cooper Kupp & Robert Woods are ballers too… the argument that 2 WRs are enough is just lazy and uneffortful.

      • Roy Batty

        It is baffling.

        Everyone making that argument comes back with the Dee Eskridge mantra.

        Sure, he looked good in the couple of snaps he played, but that was months ago. The guy had a major concussion, which can lead to more concussions.

        The most infuriating thing about those fans is that they are the same ones claiming the Hawks can make a run for the playoffs and refuse to acknowledge the serious problems with this franchise. Sure they can make a run, but injuries are a fact of life. Having that 3rd star limits the damage an injury can inflict.

      • Group Captain Mandrake

        And just to prove Roy’s point, Woods is gone for the year with a knee injury. Oh, look, they already have a replacement for him.

    • cha

      Tampa Bay will likely be without Gronk, Antonio Brown and Chris Godwin this weekend.

      Thank goodness they’ve still got Mike Evans, OJ Howard, Cameron Brate, and Tyler Johnson on the roster and Breshaud Perriman and Jaydon Mickens on the practice squad.

      Get outta here with that malarkey 710.

    • Rob Staton

      It’s not about whether they desperately needed another receiver

      It’s all about the way people like OBJ view the opportunity to play in Carroll’s system and the impact it has on Wilson’s future

      There’s only one topic worth discussing

      Carroll and Wilson’s future

    • Denver Hawker

      Well, Robert Woods tore his ACL yesterday in practice. So there’s that..

  17. Blitzy the Clown

    I’ve watched Pete Carroll as a HC for 20 years. And the Pete Carroll I see at the podium in this season’s pressers is a different looking and sounding Pete Carroll than I’ve seen before. And it’s not his age.

    I don’t see gung-ho, rah-rah Pete anymore. I don’t see the enthusiasm or excitement. Oh sure, I hear him say that kind stuff, from time to time, but I don’t see any authenticity behind it. I see a guy mostly going through the motions, spouting the same tired clichés about this player or that play, with more-than-occasional slips of bristling, annoyance and condescension at reporters who ask serious questions, that is when serious questions are even asked.

    At USC, Pete had a seemingly endless supply of top tier (college) QBs – Carson Palmer, Matt Leinart, Mark Sanchez, Matt Barkley. In Seattle, he’s had one top tier QB. And he recently acknowledged that he wouldn’t still be Seattle’s HC without Wilson.

    The only way I think Pete doesn’t retire at the end of this season is if the team goes on a major winning streak and makes a meaningful playoff run, AND if Wilson decides not to seek a trade and stay in Seattle. But we already know, to a high degree of certainty, that Wilson will not remain in Seattle if Carroll does, regardless of how this season ends. So I don’t see any way Carroll doesn’t retire.

    I just think he’s done.

    • Big Mike

      I so VERY badly want you to be right. I will give you much SDB love if it comes to pass as you’ve stated.

    • Submanjoe

      Pete has come across desperate this year. He seems to have a desperate sense of urgency that he hasn’t had before.

      • JJ

        Not desperate enough to claim obj

    • Rob Staton

      I think you are 100% correct

  18. James Z

    The ‘Hawks lost out on their bid to land OBJ. If they could only get Robert Hunt in the off season they’d be set at right guard and occasionally WR, too. Aren’t these the kind of multi-dimensional players PC likes…

    • Big Mike


      • Paul Cook

        Local sports guy Mitch Levy said that the Dolphins illegal screen pass to Hunt was better than any screen pass the Hawks have run in a decade.

        • Big Mike

          I’d laugh if it wasn’t true

  19. cha

    Peter King (about 3:43 mark)

    “Do you know what Sean McVay and Les Snead both said internally after this got done? They basically were talking among their front office group, and what was amazing was how much OBJ knew about our organization, about our offense, and about our building. He told them ‘I’ve studied your culture, I’ve studied your offense, I’ve studied your building.'”

    Sounds like OBJ did his homework. And that says a lot that Seattle wasn’t in the conversation.

  20. Paul Cook

    For college football and draft prospect fans, the current CFP poll…

    1) Georgia
    2) Alabama
    3) Oregon
    4) Ohio State
    5) Cincinnati
    6) Michigan
    7) Michigan State
    8) Oklahoma
    9) Notre Dame
    10) Oklahoma State
    11) Texas A&M
    12) Wake Forest

    I don’t know how one could have watched Oregon the past few weeks and think they are the #3 team in the nation. Personally speaking, my top 4 would be Georgia, Alabama, Ohio State, and Oklahoma.

    Maybe not great games this weekend, but a bunch of good games with conference positioning and rankings on the line, as well as some good NFL prospects to see…

    Purdue @ Ohio State
    Georgia @ Tennessee
    Michigan @ Penn State
    Oklahoma @Baylor
    Texas A&M @ Ole Miss
    Minnesota @ Iowa
    Arizona State @ Washington

    …a few others.

    For me it’s going to be very interesting to watch Oklahoma true freshman QB sensation Caleb Williams these last three regular season games against quality opponents like #13 Baylor, #10 Oklahoma State, and preseason top 15 ranked Iowa State, and then the probable Big 12 championship game.

    It will be interesting to see if he can soon elevate Oklahoma into the top 4 as a true national title contender, and possibly even propel himself into one of the final candidates for the Heisman Trophy. This guy has it all in spades. Let’s see if he can continue to do the remarkable.

    • Rob Staton

      That would also be my top four

      • Paul Cook

        My head must be screwed on right today then. 🙂

        I just can’t find a QB out there besides Caleb Williams. I thought that Purdue QB looked as good as anyone else I’ve seen this year and he wasn’t even the starter going into this year. Howell looked like a slightly better version of Sam Ehlinger when I watched him past night. Ridder’s okay, I guess. Pickett’s is somewhat solid and mature, but not a reach at all to me. Corrall has his moments, but then has his other moments right after that. And of course a bunch others that I’ve looked at but nothing memorable.

        I’ve floated Baker Mayfield as about the only QB I can think of besides Watson who might be available in a RW off season move that at least doesn’t represent a total collapse of the position if RW moves on.

        Yup. RW over PC every day of the week and three times on Sunday.

        • Rob Staton

          Pickett is too hesitant in the pocket and lacks a wow factor — and he’s the best of the bunch!

          I have significant notes on all the big name college QB’s and this is a terrifying 2022 group

    • Big Mike

      I know you’re a UW fan Paul and as a result, you quite probably despise the Ducks but to put Ohio St. above them when both are one loss teams and Oregon beat them head to head IN COLOUMBUS would make an ever bigger travesty of the rankings than they already are imo.

      Look ESPN controls this whole thing and I know damned good and well they don’t want Oregon in the final 4 but the inconvenient truth is that it would make it look as contrived as it actually is if they put Ohio St. in and not Oregon. They’re really going to be screwed if Georgia beats Alabama in the SEC title game and Oregon wins out. I guarantee you they would prefer a 2 loss, non-conference champion Alabama over Oregon (or Cincy for that matter). And don’t look now but everyone’s favorite semi-final whipping boy team Notre Dame only has one loss. You know ESPN would love the ratings they’d bring to another semi beatdown. Guarantee they’re rooting for an Oklahoma loss somewhere to help Notre Dame.

      Lastly, do I think Oregon will win out? Extremely unlikely cuz they nearly always lose 2 games they shouldn’t which means there’s one left on the schedule. Could be Wazzu this weekend or Oregon St. or Utah in the conference title game.

      • Paul Cook

        I sort of get why they are ranked where they are now. And to beat OSU in the horse shoe was a monumental victory for them. But they’ve looked pretty awful these past weeks. That OSU win is a distant memory now. Oklahoma and Caleb Williams would wipe the floor with them if they played now, IMO. So would OSU in a rematch, also IMO.

        I mean, UW should have put Oregon away in the first half last week, they were that bad. It’s only because of our coaching and an utterly inept offense in every way that they got out of the first half with a one point lead. Even Thibodeaux did nothing against us, no sacks, no hurries, no nothing. He was actually put in his place by Husky LT Jaxson Kirkland, if you can believe that.

        I don’t know how this year is going to shake out in terms of who makes it. I think Georgia makes it if they go undefeated or lose only one game. I think Alabama makes it if they win out. I think OSU makes it if they win out. I think Oregon makes it if they win out. I think Oklahoma should make it if they win out. I think Cincinnati needs to win out and needs help. I just think Michigan and Michigan State both lose at least one more game and knock themselves out. I think if Texas A&M wins out and the Red Sea parts, there might be a path.

        I don’t know…we’ll see.

        • Paul Cook

          PS> I forgot about Notre Dame probably because the thought of them in the CFP again turns my stomach.

          • Big Mike

            Oh likewise, but much of America loves them which translates to ratings. They’re the Dallas Cowboys of college football.

            • Paul Cook

              Definitely the broad national appeal. I grew up Catholic in Chicago. I know all about the tradition, allure, and mystique of Notre Dame football. It just never got into me in spite of all those around me who were sucked into its vortex.

      • Ben

        Agree that you can’t put oregon ahead of Ohio State due to the head to head result. However since that game tOSU have adjusted and are rolling. The duckies are a one dimensional offense with a decent defense. The defenses of Georgia, Alabama, would feast on the ducks & destroy them (maybe tOSU too).

        Because they play in the weak Pac12, Oregon is like the prettiest ugly girl at the dance. That said they’ve done what they’ve needed to do at this point, so give them credit. However IMHO I don’t see them making the playoffs.

        • Paul Cook

          That’s Oregon. Full credit for knocking off OSU on the road. But they also lost to a very weak Stanford team as well, a Stanford team that lost to UW, Washington State, and the Utah Utes 52-7.

    • TomLPDX

      I’m really looking forward to tomorrow’s college games. Should be fun!

    • DriveByPoster

      Agree that OU/Baylor is the game to watch. I haven’t seen either team so far this season. Over the last few seasons I’ve developed a bit of a soft spot for Baylor. They are one of those sneaky dangerous teams that always seems to play above their talent level. Whenever I’ve watched them they have had sound fundamentals on D (i.e. they know how to tackle properly & stick to their assignments) & that speaks to me of good coaching & good team spirit.

  21. Jordan

    I know the league and its partners are going to try to sell all of this parity as a good thing, but I’m not so sure.

    It seems like a league full of mediocre to decent teams any given week. Aside from Arizona on one extreme and Jax, Det, Hou on the other.

    I’m finding myself rarely entertained by the NFL product this season, aside from like the Robert Hunt play and Michael Dickson double punt. Even the Chiefs are a dull watch this season.

    I think Brady emerging from this vast sea of ‘blah’ with another Lombardi is a wise bet.

    • Rob Staton

      Probably right

  22. cha

    No Chris Carson Sunday per Pete.

    • Big Mike

      I’ll believe he’s going to play again this season when he takes a handoff on the first offensive series. Until then, nope. Just hope he has no lasting damage form all this.

    • Rob Staton

      Those workout vids sure went viral though over the summer

  23. Dave

    Thing is, Pete got these “recruits” in the past, because Hawks were winning and a SB contender. This was all despite his same philosophy.

    Now that he’s not winning, which is most likely the result of lack of adaptation + poor trades + poor drafts, he’s lost that luster.

    • McZ

      I think, the 2019 ProBowl was instrumental in the loosing of appeal.

      Really, this game is for fun, and PC went in and tried to convince the stars attending to play his style of “keep is close anti-football”.

      Since then, apart from massively overpaying on Jamal Adams, there is not a single competent FA or tradeable player really considering Seattle as a landing spot.

  24. JLemere

    To be honest, it looks like it is set up to where JS runs the franchise, which if that is the case, RW will be out the door whether he likes it or not. So expect 3 1st rounds and 2 players this upcoming offseason.

  25. cha

    RW and Eskridge officially activated from IR, Blair to IR and Mabry waived.

    • 12th chuck

      they showed the nfc championship highlights against greenbay. Damn, that was a good team. Look at the hawks now, I always knew when the team came crashing back down, it would suck, but I never thought I would be somewhat bitter about it

  26. Charles Hirsch

    Just looked at the weather forecast for Sunday game. 70% chance of snow! Thinking the game plan will be run it up the middle three times and then punt!

    • Gross MaToast

      Well, in situations like that, it’s important to stick with what you know.

      • Big Mike

        Yep, playing not to lose is the way to go there (and every other game).

        • Charles Hirsch

          So creative that fans, not getting PAID, know exactly what is coming. Play it safe and not to lose!

      • cha

        “Always Pete”

        • Rob Staton

          That’s incredible

        • Big Mike

          Good one

  27. Forrest

    Pete Carroll on OBJ pursuit: John Schneider “took it all the way through”

    • bmseattle

      Here’s a more extensive quote from Pete, for context…

      ““That’s what we did, [G.M.] John [Schneider] took it all the way through and made sure we knew what was going on. He had picked the place that he wanted to go to once he cleared waivers and he got a chance to do that.”

      I’m sure that Russ is satisfied with that.

    • Big Mike

      Nearly the exact quote that was predicted 2 days ago on this board only it was said that it would be “in it to the end”. Same thing.

      • Forrest

        Yep! I almost laughed.

        This is a savvy board. Rob, Curtis and all of you always have fantastic insights. If Pete is this predictable to us, it’s no wonder Richard Sherman and Michael Bennett caught on to the rhetoric (“win forever”, “always compete”, “tell the truth”, etc.). That worked for college athletes who stayed four years or less. …and it worked in the beginning here. But, at some point it’s better for a book than savvy veterans.

    • Tomas

      Well, that the sting away, right?

      • Tomas


    • Cortez Kennedy

      well at least they didn’t just take it half way. I’m sure the team will be energized by this Sunday in Lambeau.

      What a completely dull and uninspiring season. I can’t wait to see Russ return to the shackles of Peteball and an overmatched, undercoached defense getting turned out by a bitter Aaron Rodgers. Lots of pile jumping and preening by #33 too of course.

      • Big Mike

        And there’s our game review cuz yeah, that’s very likely how it’s going to happen.

  28. Sea Mode

    As if there was any doubt:

    Tom Pelissero

    #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers is back in the building and set to be activated from the COVID list and will start Sunday against the #Seahawks, per sources.

    Rodgers vs. Russell Wilson at Lambeau Field.

    • Rob Staton

      Ready to play the opponent he just loves to absolutely hammer at Lambeau

  29. Forrest

    Looks like it will be snowing and 35 degrees. On defense: Can we stop the run and get pressure up front? Can we jam at the line and avoid free releases for easy dip and dunk? After COVID, Rodgers shouldn’t be running much. Are we game planning for quick passes? Or are we going to see predictable blitzes by Adams, easily being picked up and leaving gaping holes for run after the catch on short passes? Can we identify and react to a screen passes – they’re coming! Wish we had Geno Atkins wrecking the middle!

    On offense: Why not roll Wilson out of the pocket to give our receivers time to get through the snow and then separate with some cuts and double moves that cause defenders to slip (you can tell your line that Wilson’s going to roll right and let them block that way, rather than guessing as he tries to escape the pocket). Will Wilson throw the ball away and avoid unnecessary sacks? 3rd and 15 won’t work!

  30. Tomas

    Clayton in prime form right now on 710, emphasizing that the Seahawks must get the running game going against the Pack in order to attain a better third-down conversion rate. Right. On a more serious note, and realizing that SOME running will be important, I wonder how Collin’s groin injury may impact his abilities. With the bad news about Carson, I haven’t heard much about Collin’s fitness, though I know he’s scheduled to play.
    Clayton just a second ago: Ram Robert Woods out for the season, torn ACL. Lucky they picked up Beckham.

  31. Ryan Purcell

    I’m wondering if we will see somewhat of a new Russ after his three game stint of sitting on the sidelines. A little less boom or bust? A little more staying on schedule?

  32. Jordan

    Jevon Holland blitzed 21 times on Thursday. That feels like an insane number.

  33. Paul Cook

    If you like your football this way, both Oklahoma/Baylor and Michigan/Penn State locked into low scoring gritty games.

    • Big Mike

      Mich/Penn St is a helluva game

    • Rob Staton

      I took Baylor +3.5 today

      • TomLPDX

        Good call Rob! Looks like you made your money.

        Auburn getting stung by MSU!

      • Big Mike

        You cruised to a win man. Hope it wasn’t just profitable but rather was quite profitable.

        Not sorry to see Oklahoma lose.

        • TomLPDX

          Me either although I was worried that when TCU beat Baylor last week that they were just pretenders. They needed this win.

          As for Okie, they have been questionable all year and it finally caught up to them. Guess they’ll drop out of the CFP discussion completely now.

  34. Albert Bryan Butler

    If you are looking for a good Division II contest to scout, #2 Valdosta State is visiting #4 University of West Florida here in Pensacola tonight. UWF Quarterback Austin Reed is 14-1 as a starter, throwing 40 touchdowns and rushing for six.

  35. OP_Chillin

    Seahawks are 31st in % kicks made… Maybe I wasn’t too far off in my Myers overreaction. :/

  36. BruceN

    Good article Rob. It will be an interesting offseason. For the first time in many years I get the impression maybe Pete is also considering to move on. I still prefer the option that you brought up before the season, for Pete to move up and become the culture setter, grand poobah and we bring in new blood. A younger, more creative and aggressive coach in the McVay mold.

    Sometimes you have to have luck on your side in addition to being good. Rams just lost Robert Woods for the season. They already have a better replacement in OBJ. Now, he will be more of a focus than he would’ve been otherwise. Oh joy.

    • TomLPDX

      My only worry about that scenario is that he becomes a Tom Coughlin type of grand poobah that continues to put his stamp on the team and not let the coaches do what they are best at. Not sure Pete has that in his makeup.

      • BruceN

        I’m afraid you’re right. As Rob also said below he is too much of a meddler.

    • Rob Staton

      In fairness I never suggested Pete move upstairs. He’s too much of a meddler. I suggested the only way for it to work with Pete as HC was to become a figurehead leader and let the OC and DC determine scheme. But Pete isn’t willing to do that so…

  37. Rob Staton

    Just seen Dane Brugler has Ikem Ekwonu as his NUMBER FIVE overall prospect for the 2022 draft

    I don’t know what some of these writers watch, frankly

    • KD

      After you get past the legit four or five legit first round prospects, why wouldn’t he be a top 10 pick? This draft class is really garbage yo.

      • Rob Staton

        Because he’s not remotely good enough to go that early

        Might as well say because it’s a crap class Dylan Morris could go early 👀

        • Group Captain Mandrake

          For most UW fans, he probably can’t go early enough.

    • KD

      This combine is going to be more important than ever though. Go for the best athletes on the board and hope for the best.

  38. Sea Mode

    Dang, that’s crazy. I guess OBJ gets the chance he dreamed of.

    Adam Schefter

    Robert Woods hurt his knee at practice Friday. He went down, got up, finished practice, conducted interviews with the media after, nobody thought anything wrong…and then tests discovered later that he tore his ACL, per sources.

  39. Sea Mode

    Just try to imagine words like these ever coming out of PC’s mouth…

    After a 22-10 loss to Miami on Thursday night, Ravens coach John Harbaugh took the full blame for the outcome.

    “Hats off to the Dolphins,” Harbaugh told reporters. “They played a very good football game. Outcoached us, outplayed us, and won the football game. So bottom line is this falls squarely on me as the head coach. We were not not prepared the way we need to be prepared. Our schemes weren’t up to snuff. And we weren’t prepared to execute the way we needed to. So that’s it. Not on one player. Our players played their hearts out. They worked hard all week. They did everything we could to be prepared, and just weren’t ready. That’s on me.”

    • Rob Staton

      I’m jealous

    • Ashish

      To improve as a coach you need to understand and accept your mistakes. Pete is making mistakes against RAMs for years not able plan for Donald who single handed wins the game.

    • Scot04

      This just further illustrates why PC needs to go

  40. Blitzy the Clown

    These effen Huskies…

    When it rains on Seattle sports, it really pours

    • KD

      Speaking of coaches that need to go……

  41. Rob Staton

    A quick reminder that some of the ‘Russell isn’t actually that good, Jamal Adams is playing brilliantly’ brigade also think Steve Sarkisian is a genius.


    • Big Mike

      And Gonzaga beat the 5th ranked Texass basketball team last night by 12 in a game that wasn’t really that close. 🙂

      But yeah, a loss to Kansas is a fireable offense if I’m the Texass AD.

  42. cha


    The NFL doubling down on the flag on Cassius Marsh for taunting the sideline by including a fine.

    If posing and staring at the sideline is a taunting penalty, why hasn’t Jamal Adams been flagged multiple times per game?

    Answer: It’s because Marsh did his “taunt” after a huge play with a big momentum swing.

    Adams hasn’t made huge plays this year. He’s just hot air. The refs are ignoring it because it’s just bluster that isn’t worth paying attention to.

    It’s not taunting if you flex and stare at the opposing sideline after giving up a 15-yard play.

    • Rob Staton

      The NFL is ruining the sport with these nonsense rules

      Talk about shooting yourself in the foot

    • Big Mike

      You mean like the holding they called on Seattle after the Rapistberger fumble that both Collinsworth and McAuley said wasn’t holding?
      You don’t think the NFL steers games via officials do you?
      Signed Super Bowl XL*

  43. Rob Staton

    My prediction for today:

    The game at Lambeau Field will be similar to Seattle’s last few visits.

    Aaron Rodgers will dice the defense with a ‘death by a thousand cuts’ approach. It’ll be crossing route after crossing route. Then the occasional shot play, with a confused cornerback (or Benson Mayowa) struggling to cover Davante Adams.

    Pete Carroll will feel validated by the close nature of the Pittsburgh and New Orleans’ losses and the win against lowly Jacksonville and will proceed with his preferred brand of football. It will be reminiscent of the situation leading into the Rams playoff game last year, where a cluster of performances against poorly quarterbacked opponents created a false sense of reality.

    The Seahawks will be trailing at half-time, possibly by double digits.

    It will all be up to Russell Wilson to try and muster a comeback of sorts. I’m not sure if he’ll be able to do it in his first game back after having a serious finger injury.

    The Seahawks will be 3-6 going into a game against Arizona. The fans who’ve spent the week warmed by talk of a tilt for the seventh seed (which will amount to no more than delaying the inevitable anyway) will revert back to pondering the future of the franchise.

    Hope I’m wrong. If I am, I’ll happily write about being wrong in the instant reaction post.

    • cha

      Fox preview show just now.

      Charles Woodson: I see Aaron Rodgers struggling today.

      The Entire Panel in Unison: Against the Seattle defense?!

      • Justaguy

        The only reality in which today’s game is decided by a touchdown or less would be a healthy turnover margin in the Seahawks favor.

      • Big Mike

        Wow, just wow.
        Please retire Pete

      • BruceN

        A motivated and annoyed Rodgers is bad news for the Hawks.

    • Blitzy the Clown

      I think there will be energy around Russ’s return, and I think it’s possible Seattle jumps to an early lead. But by the middle of the 3rd quarter GB will have taken control of the game, notwithstanding any late-game heroics by #3.

      • cha

        There’s two energies in this game. Russ’ miraculous return from injury and Rodgers’ ego badly needing to win to deflect from a week of bad press and ridiculous statements.

        Which coach do you think understands the mojo better and will let his QB take that energy out on the opposition?

        • Blitzy the Clown

          We both know the answer, but the energy of Rodgers’ ego personally needing a win to save face probably won’t boost the Pack’s energy quite like Russ’s miraculous return will boost the Seahawks.

          I don’t think Seattle will win, but I don’t think GB will cake walk their way to one either.

          • Rob Staton

            I think you underestimate Rodgers’ desire to save face

        • Big Mike

          That’s a tough one……………I’ll take Matt LeFleur for $500 Alex.

      • Rob Staton

        I think this is going to be a long, long day for Seattle

    • bmseattle

      Oh, come on Rob… you can’t just predict the most obvious/likely outcome! 😉

    • MychestisBeastmode

      I hope you are wrong. Nothing gives me more pleasure than sticking it to Aaron Rodgers in horrible gut wrenching kind of victory.

      Though, if Green Bay does get us, I have a feeling Aaron Jones and the other RB will have more to do with it than Rodgers.

      • Rob Staton

        Rodgers will still find a way to give the Seahawks a good shoeing at Lambeau

        Always does

    • GoHawks5151

      Optimistic prediction because why not?

      Seattle has been good coming off the bye in recent seasons. They open it up on O and are good enough on D. Seattle usually has one game where they punch above their heads every year (KC 2018). This is it. They haven’t won in GB in decades. The law of averages gets GB. Biggest reason: Russ goes nuclear and establishes his dominance in the franchise.

      Side note: Thank God Mac Jones didn’t go to SF. No wonder Shanny wants out

    • BruceN

      I agree with everything except the Pete part. Unless we play a very good game today I suspect both Russell and Pete will start thinking about the next step. With Reed’s aggressive playing style (playing press coverage) and poor footing due to the snow look for a double move by Rodgers to burn him.

      • Blitzy the Clown

        Looks like precipitation in any form is over for the day so the field should be dry.

    • Kyle R

      The best part of this comment is the Benson Mayowa in coverage part. I shake my head and cry/laugh everytime.

  44. EP

    Johnathan Taylor!!! Nah in fact never mind, we have Jordyn Brooks

    • Big Mike

      Not only that but we didn’t need him anyway cuz we got Rashad Penny.

      • EP

        Don’t forget sideline Chris Carson and that DJ from Dallas

  45. Big Mike

    Baker Mayfield is shit but man all those commercials are awesome aren’t they?

    • Big Mike

      If I am Cleveland I am absolutely all in on Russ or Watson this off season and I am not paying Mayfield if I am able to get one of them. Cleveland is in quarterback purgatory right now, stuck between having to pay a mediocre quarterback or let him go and start over with a roster that is good enough to get to the Super Bowl with a good quarterback. This guy won’t ever take them there.

      • Rob Staton

        100% Mayfield ain’t it

        • BruceN

          Cleveland could be the next TB. A very solid and deep roster, great running game, good D but missing a good QB. Tailor-made for Russell to step in.

          • Rob Staton

            Possibly. Provided they were willing to be aggressive to add the guys Wilson wants.

            I suspect Wilson will be all-in on New Orleans for his next move

            • BruceN

              I can’t see us trading Russell within the conference. If it does happen, pairing Payton and Russell (plus Kamara, Thomas and that defense) will be incredible.

              • 12th chuck

                I think the saints are done with thomas

  46. 206

    I feel there are a lot of teams that are just a franchise QB away from being contenders. This is obvious, but damn there are a lot of solid rosters! Washington is standing out this morning for sure.

    • Kyle R

      This is why I choose Wilson over Pete every time. If we clean house and get in a new front office and coaching staff I have hope they can turn over a build a good roster, however, what good is that if you don’t have a franchise QB to top it off?!

  47. Kyle R

    Wow Crosby has been terrible

  48. cha

    Run Russell RUN

  49. Big Mike

    Pocic at center. Not sure it matters tho

  50. Big Mike

    3-5 and we’re punting. Unreal

    • cha

      That whole thing was a mess.

    • Blitzy the Clown

      Wow talk about sending the message you have zero confidence in your OL

      • Big Mike

        Please retire Pete

      • Hawks4life

        Pretty sure he had the 1st down….

  51. Kyle R

    That whole sequence was just odd. It looked like he had the yardage and then after talk they said he didn’t? And you guys remember when it used to be Big Balls Pete…..yeah that call to punt is the opposite of that.

    • Blitzy the Clown

      No offense to his fellow septuagenarians, but Pete’s level of risk taking is pretty much what you’d expect from a 70 year old. That is to say, not much at all. Gotta play it safe. Play to keep what you have, not to gain more.

  52. cha

    Hey CBS, you’re not going to explain what just happened with the spot?

    Nope. Let’s talk about Aaron Rodgers’ vaccination status some more.

    • Rob Staton

      Any talk about vaccines or masks is….


    • Big Mike

      Well they did say his knee was down but they weren’t sure where the ball was. I guess that was the depth of their “analysis”.

    • Bmseattle

      But, we need to know how to *feel* about him now!
      Should we be angry and offended, or can we feel better now that he has “made a statement”.
      Please, tell us NFL!

      • Rob Staton

        I think the entire world should take my approach on the matter.

        Not giving any F’s what so ever

        Now let’s talk football

  53. Blitzy the Clown

    Brooks and Adams will get credit for that TFL, but really it was Poona who set them up. Either way, good to get off the field.

    • Big Mike

      Adams’ celebration was the best tho. Very important.

      • Blitzy the Clown

        Amen brother. Least we keepin’ it real yo!

  54. Blitzy the Clown

    Defense stepping up so far today. Time for the offense to match it them.

    Oh my, a Gerald Everett target!

  55. cha

    Lockett draws DPI’s better than any WR in the NFL.

    • Big Mike

      Do Romo and Nance actually watch the game they announce? DB had a fistful of Lockett’s jersey and some shoulder pad.

      • Blitzy the Clown

        IKR? Lance sounded like he was shocked there was a flag 🙄

  56. Robbie

    Brown just got worked!

    • Hawks4life


    • Blitzy the Clown


      • Big Mike


  57. Big Mike

    What the hell is this franchise going to do at LT? And no, it’s not Stone Forsyth

    • Kyle R

      It’s almost like to protect your franchise QB and to be a bully in the running game you should invest in your OL for the present and future. Especially when you LT is in the twilight of his career.

  58. OP_Chillin

    Crap flea flicker, but the WR on the offense left (I think it was Hart) burned his guy and Russ didn’t look that way. Then DB really gonna get beat by Mercilus that quickly?

  59. Big Mike

    Poor throw by Rodgers

    • Big Mike

      Late and short

  60. cha

    Freddie Swain, were you instructed to fair catch?

    That’s the level of trust I have in Pete – I think he told Swain to fair catch it.

    • Bmseattle

      Not sure what’s better…that Pete instructed him to, or he decided on his own.

    • Norman

      That seems a mighty stretch.

  61. AlaskaHawk

    Defense looking better today. Is Adams playing?

    • Ashish

      Playing and jumping around as he his killing it. Man Neal is good

  62. Blitzy the Clown

    Pass was behind him, but c’mon DK

  63. OP_Chillin

    This is boring

  64. Blitzy the Clown

    There aren’t many great play calls on 3rd and long, but that definitely wasn’t one of them

  65. Big Mike

    Not taking advantage of field position. Could we have run that play to Everett on first down?

  66. Kyle R

    This is shaping up to be a game of which Defense breaks first and I don’t like our odds in that case. Pete is still coaching like he does though.

  67. 206

    This is probably making Pete so happy

  68. AlaskaHawk

    Diggs is the safety that should have gotten the bigger contract.

    • Big Mike


  69. Big Mike

    Dear Seahawks:
    That’s called a “screen pass” (and that’s how you run one).

    • Bmseattle

      Too difficult.
      We shouldnt even try that.

      • Rowdy

        The amount of times I see people complain about throwing screens on here now thus lmao

  70. WallaSean

    Show pony sighting! Let’s see him get home now.

  71. Blitzy the Clown

    Terrible missed holding call against GB

    • Blitzy the Clown

      And again, that time against Darrell Taylor

  72. Big Mike

    Refs ignore crackback block on Neal. “Legacy franchise”

    • Big Mike

      And then the call from NY to Steratore to justify

      • Ashish

        Just BS

  73. Scot04

    So tired of 3 man D-line rushes on 3rd down. It feels like it always results in giving up a 1st down

    • GoHawks5151

      Diet coke of the prevent D

    • Pran

      Yet none to spy on Rodgers… some of the worst play calling. Seattle has the personnel to be better than avg D, Ken just makes it worse.

  74. Blitzy the Clown

    If Amadi and Ford are blocking your passes, you might be throwing just a little low.

  75. Blitzy the Clown

    Poona Ford was being held so badly it’s astounding.

  76. Ashish

    That’s was clear plenty on Neal. BS on explanation

  77. Kyle R

    For the love of God please use the TE more! Just like that play!

  78. OP_Chillin

    Ugh that’s frustrating the pocket was fine just hang in there for a sec and DK was gone!

    • Rob Staton


  79. Robbie

    Russ missed it. He’s playing timid

    • Rowdy

      He’s played this way for years

    • Pran

      Pete’s boy!

      I wonder what’s the game plan to score some points against Rodgers.

  80. Big Mike

    FFS, he’s open as Wilson’s being sacked.

    • OP_Chillin

      He needed to step up in to the clean space instead of drifting back. Same problem Mahomes is having this year.

    • Rob Staton


  81. Bmseattle

    I see Russ still doesnt take the quick, easy play on 3rd.
    Lookimg for the big play results in another sack.
    And…DK was open, too.

    • Rob Staton

      Dunno about that.

      DK got open late.

      Pressure was already right there

    • Blitzy the Clown

      Dissly was open too

  82. Blitzy the Clown

    Prototypical Peteball game. Just sucks all the fun out of it

    • Rowdy

      Russ holding on to the ball looking for a big play instead of taking what the d gives him?

      • Rob Staton

        The defense gave him what on that third down?

        Blanket coverage.

        DK Metcalf peeled late at the end of the play and got open — as Wilson was being smacked.

        • Rowdy

          You mean when when russ ran blindly backwards into the dline

  83. Trevor

    Hawks offsense looks dreadful.

    • WallaSean

      Offense is clearly the problem at this point. A mediocre D paired with a top ten O was the formula that was workable for this season.

      • Peter

        Wait. Hold up. The offense sucks. But it’s okay to have a mediocre defense? From a defensive coach? With the draft capitol spent on the d over four years?

      • WallaSean

        Yes, because that’s clearly what I stated. .Tell me why you believe the D is the problem with an offense last in time of possession, and a D that is top 10 in scoring, yunno based on some evidence in a perceived reality?

  84. Hawks4life

    Still haven’t learned how to attack the middle of the field I see

  85. Ashish

    Offense is hard to watch..

  86. Rokas

    And if/when defense collapses on the 3rd quarter, it’s offense fault whick keeps the defense on the field for 75% of the time.

  87. Trevor

    Rob I prefer at 3rd option. No Pete and no Russ. Time to get as much draft capital as possible and start a complete roster rebuild. Forget a rookie QB this draft and start rebuilding the entire roster then start looking for a QB in following draft.

    • Rob Staton

      Then you prefer the very likely possibility of the Seahawks becoming a horrendous football team, possibly for a long time

      • Trevor

        I prefer horrendous for a couple of years to a decade of 11-6 with a 1st round playoff loss.

      • Trevor

        There are 10 QBs in the league right now I would take over Russ and he is only getting older and will only want more $ and control. If the choice is Russ or Pete I pick Russ but I don’t think either gets the Hawks back to being a Super Bowl caliber team.

  88. Big Mike

    Ticky tack
    “legacy franchise”

  89. OP_Chillin

    Poona in coverage hehe

  90. Pran

    It’s irritating to see Pete, Ken and Offense. Just blow the shit up already!

  91. Big Mike

    clearly recovered by Taylor
    “legacy franchise”

    • Rob Staton


      Taylor should’ve ripped it away

      He didn’t. He just lay there cuddling the ball with Rodgers

      They won’t overturn this

      • Big Mike

        No they won’t and I think we got screwed

        • Rob Staton

          Rip it away

          He just lay there

      • Rokas

        100% this

  92. cha

    Seahawks offense so far

  93. dand393

    Wow Pete fumbling around for the challenge flag being so Badly prepared is so in-line with this season pretty comical

    • Rokas

      You Reading too much into this imo.

  94. OP_Chillin

    0 points and 56 yards of offense. That’s the most infuriating thing about this game to me by miles.

  95. Bmseattle

    Love him or hate him…Rodgers is damn good.

    • Big Mike

      Hate him, and yes

  96. James Cr.

    This game is just sooooo boring.

    • Rob Staton

      Incredibly boring

      But the Seahawks are now officially boring

      Have been all season

    • Norman


  97. Ashish

    Rob’s prediction of double digits down by half looking good.

    • OP_Chillin

      and then Tre Brown happened. Unless the O turns it over lol

  98. Hawks4life

    The right tackle keeps jumping the start. Why are the refs letting that slide this year….

  99. Blitzy the Clown

    Great PBU by Tre Brown! Nice to see.

    • Trevor

      Brown has been a great addition! Best DB they have drafted in a decade I think.

  100. Big Mike

    That’s the 2nd or 3rd time this year Tre Brown has put a hit on someone

  101. OP_Chillin

    Why did Everett not go out of bounds?

  102. Big Mike

    Terrible decision by Everett

  103. Blitzy the Clown

    That was a pretty sweet catch

  104. OP_Chillin

    Absolutely terrible. How the hell do you get a holding call there?!

  105. Kyle R

    How in the Hell is that goddamn holding!!!?

    • Big Mike

      It’s not. See Blitzy’s explanation below your post

  106. Blitzy the Clown

    Terrible call. These refs are so biased it’s disgusting

  107. Big Mike

    Romo: that’s not a penalty

    NFL: but Green Bay is a legacy franchise

  108. Sea Mode

    What a BS call

    • Pran

      Offense is crap.. a call here n there would not make much difference. No guarantee Myers makes that Kick anyways considering how he is this season.

  109. OP_Chillin

    Maybe if Lewis could’ve not got dominated they wouldn’t have called that.

    • Scot04

      Lewis definitely looked better a RG. I will never understand the decision to move him to LG.

  110. Kyle R.

    So a bullshit holding call and a stupid play by Everett making take a timeout early in that drive cost us a field goal attempt.

  111. Trevor

    Since the middle of last year Wilson has been an average NFL QB best and some games has looked flat out awful. You can blame Pete or the OC or OL but he has not looked good.

    • OP_Chillin

      To be fair in this game he is coming back from a throwing hand injury. More concerning is the persistent issue with pocket presence. I have liked the quick game and involving the TEs.

      • Big Mike

        I’m guessing Trevor isn’t interested in “to be fair”

        • Trevor

          You are right Mike I am not. if he was not ready to play then don’t play. If he is playing then he is playing. People killed Adams when he played with a bum shoulder in the playoffs last year and sucked.Rightfully so!

      • Scot04

        Agree OP, coming back like he did. I definitely wasn’t expecting him to be vintage Wilson

    • Scot04

      Many top QBs would look average or worse behind our O-lines

    • AlaskaHawk

      Considering Wilson had a hand injury and missed three games- I’m not blaming him for anything this game. It’s basically a get back to fighting shape game for him.

    • Rob Staton

      Major overreaction

      • Trevor

        Rob the final 5 games of last year, playoffs and this year so far how would you rate Wilson’s play?

  112. Blitzy the Clown

    Well, it could be a lot worse. Only 3 points between them and we get the ball to start the second half

  113. 206

    High point DK maybe could have had a better go at that one. Anyhow, time for Pete to piss off and let Russ call the plays and get in a groove

    • OP_Chillin

      I think he just posted up a bit too shallow in the EZ. Very hard to judge that so don’t really blame him.

      • 206

        No doubt, tough play.

  114. AlaskaHawk

    The 12-16th man is the Green Bay Referees.

    At least the score is low. Come on offense!

  115. 12th chuck

    nfl refs making pac 12 refs look good, wtf

    • Kyle R

      As a fellow and Pac 12 fan I laughed harder than I should have at that statement.

      • Kyle R

        as a fellow Pac 12 fan*

  116. Rokas

    If anybode counted offensive linemen lying on the ground through the last decade, I am pretty sure that SEA would lead the league in this cathegory.

    • Jordan

      Any team with an Alex Gibbs disciple coaching the oline. Constantly hitting the deck.

  117. Big Mike

    For all you Husky fans: Report that Jimmy Lake is fired

  118. Paul Cook

    I’m going to give RW a pass given his quick return from that injury. But this is just such a typical PC game. I don’t know what to say. Punt, punt, punt, punt… Why can’t we move the chains with some reasonable consistency?

    At least we’re in it. I thought most hope for a win this game would largely be in the rear view mirror by now.

  119. 12th chuck

    is Dee Eskridge playing?

  120. Kyle R

    I would actually love to see a Rams type offense come out in the second half. Quick passes and temp to help out a rusty Wilson. Come on Waldron you might be one and done anyways who cares if you piss Pete off.

  121. Leo

    At least Tre Brown looks like the real deal. Would be nice if the Hawks could figure out their best lineup before game 9, but Reed and Brown with Amadi at the nickel are a competitive unit at least.

    • Blitzy the Clown

      Reed, Brown and Neal are the top 3 DBs on the team

      • OP_Chillin


        • Blitzy the Clown

          Indeed. My bad

          • Rokas

            Peacock comes to the rescue!😀😀

      • Kyle R

        I’d put Diggs up there too. All four combine make less than Peacock too

  122. Big Mike


    • OP_Chillin

      Just a hair. Missed the comeback to Tyler as well. I’m surprised they aren’t running a bit more often. Passing at double/triple the rate as running right now.

  123. Kyle R

    How in the Hell is that not pass interference!?

  124. Pran

    We need another QB for short and mid range game.

  125. Blitzy the Clown

    Finally they call GB for holding. JFC

  126. Big Mike

    A penalty on the Packers? Wow

  127. Blitzy the Clown

    The defense hasn’t let up

    • Big Mike

      I’d comment bit I don’t wanna be a jinx so…..

      • Blitzy the Clown

        I hope I didn’t for pointing it out

  128. OP_Chillin

    The lack of punt return production sucks. Can we get Dallas to return punts?

  129. cha

    Has Eskridge gotten so much as a snap yet?

    • Bmseattle

      Seeing a lot of Swain and hart, tho

    • Big Mike

      Was he active Curtis?

      • cha

        He is

  130. OP_Chillin

    the fade to Hart… hmmm

  131. OP_Chillin

    Love that quick flat to Homer for the third down conversion!

  132. Blitzy the Clown

    Wow nice play call. Appropriate for the down and distance

  133. OP_Chillin

    Russ what the actual fuck!? Hit King right in the chest!

    • Big Mike

      Very poor decision

    • Pran

      Did the defender lose control of the ball

  134. Kyle R

    That better be ruled a drop and not an INT.

  135. Big Mike

    This will be ruled GB ball even tho he never established full possesion

  136. Gary

    Russ consistently holding the ball too long, that ball has got to get out on time!

  137. Sea Mode

    Yikes, Russ…

  138. Matt

    RW looks atrocious. Yeesh

    • Trevor

      Bu the OC is calling a bad game, the OL sucks, he doesn’t have a run game and they don’t have enough weapons. Can’t be Russ, oh and he has a bad finger. It’s never his fault for holding the ball too long, making bad decisions or just flat out playing poorly. Always someone else’s fault even though he makes $35 mil nd has the highest cap hit of any QB in the league.

  139. Big Mike

    Bullshit refereeing on the int an d then a false start on the right side not called.

  140. Henry Taylor


  141. Kyle R.

    I know the Seahawks aren’t helping themselves and this lost just isn’t on the Refs but my God the fix is in. In no way did he maintain control with the ground.

    • Big Mike

      Seattle does not deserve to win after Wilson just gave away a near sure tie. However………………every close ruling and non-call has gone Green Bay’s way.

  142. OP_Chillin

    Screen passes and running. Rodgers doesn’t even have to think.

    • Kyle R

      Imagine having an offense designed like that to help you out and play to strengths especially when you are rusty.

      • Rowdy

        Imagine having a qb that says he doesn’t like checkdows because he wants to win

  143. Big Mike

    No need to even measure cuz well, their ball

  144. OP_Chillin


    • Trevor

      The defense has played pretty well today. Nice to see Adams step up and make a play.

  145. Big Mike

    Rodgers returns the favor with as shitty a decision as Wilson’s. Not dead yet.

    Oh and look, the peacock made his first real impact play of the season. Kudos Jamal

  146. Henry Taylor

    Jamal Adams with a pick!? now I’ve seen everything

  147. Rokas

    Peacock comes to the rescue!😀😀

  148. Troy

    Adams finally got a pick!

  149. Bmseattle

    I guess now that he’s made a play this year, we can call him “the playmaker”.

    • Big Mike

      Well…………..naw, I’m good with “peacock”

      • WallaSean

        He’s clearly a Show Pony. A broken clock is right twice , so how about another play!

  150. Sea Mode

    Such a weird game…

    • Gary

      Do we play any other kind?

    • Trevor

      Weird and really poorly played / officiated. Won’t care a bit if the Hawks can somehow pull it out however.

    • Hawk Brewerd

      In a 0-3 game, going into the 4th, w Wilson and Rodgers at QB, and Adams just getting a pick, this comment just made me giggle

  151. Big Mike

    Eskridge sighting, slot on the left

    • Big Mike

      and then that………..

  152. OP_Chillin

    Now the offense is going backwards! Unbelievable. Or expected?

    • neil

      not a bit of deception on offense today. Where is the jet sweep? or the fake jet sweep, not giving it to the receiver and giving it to Collins going the other way ? Stale boring offensive plan.

  153. Kyle R

    Someone needs to check Adams for stick-em glue on his hands

  154. OP_Chillin

    DK hold on to the damn ball!

  155. Big Mike

    FFS DK……………..sigh

  156. Gary

    Metcalf not doing enough to earn that next monster contract for me.

    • Hawk Finn

      Between his inability to come through on clutch plays and the maturity red flags, I fear I agree with you.

      • Big Mike

        Likewise, sadly

  157. OP_Chillin

    Welp, DB, as much as he was struggling, is injured. Jamarco Jones :'(

  158. Pran

    DK so inconsistent. Drops, fumbles, penalties….oh crap.

  159. Justyn

    Classic Metcalf. He will never be elite. He just isn’t that good at catching.

    • Hawks4life

      Agreed he’ll always be a step behind. He’s got all the talent but can’t put it all together

  160. Paul Cook

    Just painful to watch this offense. We’re holding GB and Aaron Rodgers to three point through three quarters and we can’t even get ahead and take control of this game. What an opportunity we’re blowing here.

    • Scot04

      I’m sure GB fans saying same about holding us to 0points. Crazy game

      • Paul Cook

        True. But it’s more unbelievable that GB only has three point through three quarters.

    • Gary

      Last in the league in time of possession – that’s about all you need to know.

  161. OP_Chillin

    Bloody hell the pass rush was completely stonewalled there.

  162. Matt

    I’m on the trade DK for draft capital train. He’s just not making the improvements he needs to make.

    No way I’m giving that guy a huge contract – he’s just not reliable. I’m also at the point where I just don’t like his attitude either. He’s not a bad guy by any means, but his on field demeanor…just can’t stand it.

    *And for reference; I have been as pro-DK as you could possibly be.

  163. 206

    Defense playing good for sure, but to think this offense is playing like this off the bye week is pretty sad

  164. Bmseattle

    No explanation of that encroachment call I guess

    • Big Mike

      “legacy franchise”

  165. OP_Chillin

    Dunlap, why!?

    • Gary

      Pete lettin’ his players be themselves.

    • Pran

      Dunlap made a statement. Best play of the game.

      Packers can win it 3-0 regardless..

  166. Justyn

    Totally agree. Get a decent pick and save 20 mil.

  167. Paul Cook

    I feel like it’s over if we get down 10-0.

    • Big Mike

      Ditto, sadly

  168. Big Mike

    Another fine play by peacock

    • Rowdy

      Literally the only hawk having a great game

      • Blitzy the Clown

        Well, Lambeau Field is our Hell, and it is frozen over…

  169. Justyn

    Us going 10 down has felt like an inevitability for the past hour

  170. OP_Chillin

    Wagner got dragged into the EZ. Not good enough.

  171. Big Mike

    Initial contact was at the 3 yd line. SIGH

    • Bmseattle

      Seems like a play he would have made 3 years ago

  172. Rokas

    Zero complaints about the defense, everything including this TD is on our offense for keeping the defense on the field all game long.

  173. Pran

    It sure looks all on Russ. Will he get benched

  174. Paul Cook

    I think I’d put Geno in here. RW is still off from injury and why get him hurt trying too hard to pull this one out of the fire.

  175. Big Mike

    Game’s likely over but if we don’t score on this drive it is for sure imo

  176. OP_Chillin

    RUSS WHY?!?!

  177. Big Mike

    Horrible decision. Double coverage. Game over

  178. Paul Cookm

    That was almost close-your-eyes-and-throw-it. Almost a Hail Mary.

  179. Jordan E

    Is anyone actually open?

    • OP_Chillin

      Checkdown was WIDE open and probably gets a first down. Zero excuse for that throw.

    • Matt

      Nope. Scheme is awful but this is some of the most brutal play I’ve ever seen from RW.

    • Jordan E

      lol we suck

  180. Matt

    Complete overreaction on my part…RW looks awful and my confidence in him, long term…first time I’ve started to question it. And I’ve been calling people crazy for saying the same thing.

    • Peter

      Russ is good for a turd game or so a year. But down 3-5 in tge standings to the most mortal rodgers has looked all year….this is terrible.

    • Trevor

      He has not looked good at all since the end of last season.

  181. neil

    Stale boring unimaginative offense !!!

  182. EP

    Time I will not get back. Don’t think I was even remotely excited at any point during this game. Good night. Seahawks stink

  183. Peter

    Jumping john and joseph. This checks out that russ craps the bed coming back to soon and the peacock i guess is getting the game ball.

  184. Hawks4life

    Not much to say about this game. We knew this would be the outcome for 2 weeks. Sad part is we really could’ve won this game.

    • Pran

      Like every other game they lost except for may be one.

  185. OP_Chillin

    Wagner getting pushed back again

  186. Braden

    How about no Russ or pete for 2022? I like that option more.

    • Jordan E

      Build the team around Jamal!

    • Trevor

      I am with you but don’t dare criticize Russ with fellow Hawks fans. It is always someone else’s fault.

      • Peter

        Russ sucked. But you post like this is the browns and this team has a d….today sure but where was that when they got literally rolled by henry? Where is the running game?

      • neil

        Do you think Russ will own this one in the post game interview? I don’t !

  187. Gary

    This offence is broken and it doesn’t matter who the quarterback is.

    • Paul Cook

      It’s just boring…boring, boring, boring…

      • Gary

        … with inexplicable play calling and execution.

    • Big Mike

      Starts on the o-line tho this was one of RW’s poorer games in his career

  188. Sea Mode

    Good night.

  189. SeaTown


  190. John

    It definitely looked like Russ rushed back.

  191. Matthew

    Basically a Hail Mary down 10, 9 minutes left, on second down. Why the hell call that, then why the hell do you throw it?

    • Rowdy

      That’s how russ plays, there wasn’t a more covered layer then Tyler either. He had a wide open guy for an easy first but as russ said, he doesn’t like those plays he likes plays that win. Even though he threw a pick it doesn’t matter because sometimes it works

      • Peter

        Pc and russ are in many ways made for each other.

        • Peter

          No running game, no problem. Hybrid west coast offense.

          Pc/ wilson: the only plays that count are would been could been td’s

  192. OP_Chillin

    Another loss when Romo/Nantz are commentating. Just saying…

    • Bmseattle

      Looks like God was an unvaxxed fan today.

  193. pdway

    defense pretty much played their butts off all game.

    you leave them on the field the whole game, any defense eventually wears down.

    The offense was pathetic on all counts today. and I had some hopes coming into this game, coming off a bye w russell back, and maybe something from eskridge.

    what a bummer season this is.

  194. Paul Cook

    Defense played good enough to win. No doubt. I’m surprise they didn’t even look worse than they did as the second half progressed the time of possession being what it was.

    • Peter

      Looks like indy is going yo be the one game this year when everything works.

  195. Big Mike

    Cardinals got lit up by Carolina today. Assume Murray didn’t play? Rams will win the division in the end imo.

    • Norman

      I dunno, Rams have kind of a “dream team” feel to them that will ultimately underperform expectations, in my opinion.

  196. Paul Cook

    How may passes has RW thrown in rhythm today?

    • Matt

      Maybe 2…RW has been awful – not sure I’ve ever seen a worse offensive performance, in every facet, than I’ve seen today.

      Playcalling horrendous.
      RW can’t read anything. Horrendous accuracy.
      OL can’t block.
      Can’t run the ball.

      Train wreck.

      • Peter

        Horrible spot to be in. Injured qb who comes back to soon. A coach who feels said qb should play. No rhythm to the offense. And strangely the d decides to play up to the game when no one else is home.

      • Paul Cook

        We could have won this game as late as the 4th quarter. That’s the thing that confounds me. We were awful. We just needed to be a little less awful.

  197. Blitzy the Clown

    Credit to GB for excellent coverage, but the route calling for Seattle is just hapless. There doesn’t seem to be any attempt to scheme WRs open

  198. Gary

    Good thing the blue hair’s keeping him so cool.

  199. Big Mike

    You’re such a man DK

    • Big Mike

      and grow the fuck up

    • 206

      Michael Bennett did the same sort of things, but it had a different feel to it

      • Big Mike


      • Gary

        Not for me it didn’t. I thought he was a jackass too.

        • 206

          Yeah, definitely doesn’t help you win anything

        • Bmseattle

          Bennet was a very poor loser.
          He always caused problems at the end of games in losses.

  200. OP_Chillin

    Russ couldn’t hit the ocean from a boat right now. Shut out seems like it will finally happen.

  201. OP_Chillin

    Trying his utmost to throw that third INT

  202. Bmseattle

    I know Russ is lauded for how high he throws the deep pass…but sometimes low, and fast is the better throw

  203. SeaTown

    Sadly in order to get rid of Pete we need losses like this. 🙁

    • Blitzy the Clown

      I agree. Humiliation helps move him on

  204. Gary

    What the hell are the Hawks doing? Garbage time with them is so painful. Just get on the plane already.

  205. OP_Chillin

    Barring a miracle here they should have just taken knees because this is embarrassing

  206. Paul Cook


  207. SeaTown

    Shane Waldron has no chance working for Pete but I don’t think he’s much of an offensive guru.

    • Paul Cook

      No he’s not. Even if he’s better than he’s shown he’s wussed out under PC.

  208. Gary

    Final time of possession: 39:09 to 20:51.

    ’nuff said.

  209. Hawkcrazy

    Absolutely horrible game by Russell Wilson but especially the OL. No ability to pass block or run block. No ability to run the ball. It seems we have negative offfense even if we are relying on our offense to carry us.

    Defense played well most of the day. Referees were horrendous but ultimately probably made no difference to the result. Trust in Pete is failing or dead.

    I only hope RW is still hurting because if he was ready to come back we are in the greatest problem zone possible.

    • Paul Cook

      The offensive line was bad, but why didn’t we adjust to a more quick strike passing offense which was called for?

    • Rob Staton

      Come on

      You think that’s Wilson ready to come back?

      That performance was clearly a man who is nowhere near ready

      But with Geno Smith the alternative, they were never not going to start him

      • Paul Cook

        I think they should have gone to Geno in the 3rd quarter or so. RW did not have great control or zip on the ball. Why get him injured playing against a D that’s going to T-off on him?

        I don’t know…I thought they were going to lose this game before the season started. It’s just that we actually had a decent chance to win the way GB was playing.

        • Rob Staton

          Looking to Geno Smith for a spark would’ve been like looking for a piece of wet toilet paper to hold back a speeding train.

          And I know he played well in relief vs the Rams. They were protecting a big lead by that point, not leading 3-0. And it wasn’t Lambeau in the cold

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