Hakeem Adeniji was superb at the Senior Bowl
I’m doing this mock draft for two reasons:
1. The Seahawks haven’t done anything today (yet)
2. To act as a distraction
You might ask, ‘but Rob — a distraction to what‘?
The freaking out that is on the brink of happening.
I can sense it bubbling. It’s not there yet — but it’s close.
Let’s just take a step back for a minute here. Who’s off the board?
I can understand disappointment about Calais Campbell because that was a cheap value trade. Increasingly it seems like the Jaguars worked with Baltimore to send him to his preferred destination.
Apart from that?
I know some fans like Robert Quinn but let’s not forget that two teams quit on him recently due to the precarious nature of his health. The Cowboys, despite saying they were keen to retain him, didn’t go anywhere near the big contract Chicago offered.
Vic Beasley has gone to Tennessee for $9.5m. Arik Armstead stays in San Francisco.
That’s about it.
Jadeveon Clowney, Dante Fowler and Everson Griffen remain available. Nobody has traded for Yannick Ngakoue. Who knows who else might be available via trade?
Twitter might be counting down every pass rusher leaving the market like it’s an ominous sign but the reality is this isn’t a bad thing. Players who we thought they might be interested in are not getting mega contracts in the first 24 hours. If the price comes down — as it did for Bennett and Avril in 2013 — that’s a good thing.
The time to judge is when they’ve made some moves, not before.
So here’s the mock to give us something else to discuss until something happens:
Round one
#1 Cincinnati — Joe Burrow (QB, LSU)
This is locked in by now.
#2 Washington — Chase Young (EDGE, Ohio State)
This is also locked in.
#3 Detroit — Jeff Okudah (CB, Ohio State)
The Lions will want to move down but they’ve run out of trade partners.
#4 New York Giants — Derrick Brown (DT, Alabama)
He’s really good and this is very Dave Gettleman.
#5 Miami — Tua Tagovailoa (QB, Alabama)
There’s no need to worry any more. They’ll get whoever they see as QB2.
#6 LA Chargers — Andrew Thomas (T, Georgia)
Whether it’s Tom Brady or Cam Newton, they’ll go left tackle here.
#7 Carolina — Isaiah Simmons (LB, Clemson)
They get arguably the best defensive player in the draft.
#8 Arizona — Tristan Wirfs (G, Iowa)
With DeAndre Hopkins acquired, they further bolster their O-line.
#9 Jacksonville — Javon Kinlaw (DT, South Carolina)
They’ve pulled apart their D-line so need to build it back up.
#10 Cleveland — Mekhi Becton (T, Louisville)
It won’t be a shock if he goes at #6 to the Chargers.
#11 New York Jets — Jedrick Wills (G, Alabama)
Wills would be a major injection of talent to the interior line.
#12 Las Vegas — Henry Ruggs (WR, Alabama)
Mike Mayock said it at the combine — they need playmakers.
#13 San Francisco (v/IND) — CeeDee Lamb (WR, Oklahoma)
They’ve got their eye on somebody in particular here.
#14 Tampa Bay — Jonathan Taylor (RB, Wisconsin)
Running backs who are 225, explosive, talented and run a 4.39 still go early.
#15 Denver — Jerry Jeudy (WR, Alabama)
They take a weapon for Drew Lock.
#16 Atlanta — Patrick Queen (LB, LSU)
This is now a fairly significant need.
#17 Dallas — C.J. Henderson (CB, Florida)
Henderson could go in the top-11.
#18 Miami (v/PIT) — Austin Jackson (T, USC)
Jackson could go in the top-11.
#19 Las Vegas (v/CHI) — Kenneth Murray (LB, Oklahoma)
He’s the type of individual they’re targeting.
#20 Jacksonville (v/LAR) — Denzel Mims (WR, Baylor)
The Jags just need to add talent at this stage.
#21 Philadelphia — Justin Jefferson (WR, LSU)
He’s quick enough for the Eagles.
#22 Minnesota (v/BUF) — Trevon Diggs (CB, Alabama)
Mike Zimmer loves to draft cornerbacks.
#23 New England — K.J. Hamler (WR, Penn State)
He’s so dynamic and some teams will love him.
#24 New Orleans — Jalen Reagor (WR, TCU)
Fast and explosive — the perfect compliment to Michael Thomas.
#25 Minnesota — Brandon Aiyuk (WR, Arizona State)
They find their Stefon Diggs replacement here.
#26 Miami (v/HOU) — Ezra Cleveland (T, Boise State)
The Dolphins take a punt on his upside.
#27 Indianapolis (v/SEA) — Jordan Love (QB, Utah State)
The Colts move back into round one to invest in their future.
#28 Baltimore — Cesar Ruiz (C, Michigan)
He can kick inside to guard. This would be a home run.
#29 Tennessee — Isaiah Wilson (T, Georgia)
He fills in for Jack Conklin.
#30 Green Bay — Justin Herbert (QB, Oregon)
Herbert falls and Green Bay hopes to repeat the Aaron Rodgers heist.
#31 San Francisco — Raekwon Davis (DT, Alabama)
He’d fit right into that D-line.
#32 Kansas City — Kristian Fulton (CB, LSU)
A strong combine should keep Fulton in the round one discussion.
The Seahawks trade down from #27 to #44, acquiring Indianapolis’ third round pick (#75).
Round two
#33 Cincinnati — Willie Gay Jr (LB, Mississippi State)
He’s too good. Someone will take a chance.
#34 Dallas (v/IND, WAS) — Grant Delpit (S, LSU)
I have Dallas trading up to complete a sensational first two rounds by Jerry Jones.
#35 Detroit — Zack Baun (LB, Wisconsin)
Ideal scheme fit after missing out on Kyle Van Noy.
#36 New York Giants — Josh Jones (T, Houston)
They need a left tackle.
#37 LA Chargers — D’Andre Swift (RB, Georgia)
A great way to replace Melvin Gordon.
#38 Detroit (v/CAR) — Damien Lewis (G, LSU)
He’s such a good blocker and he can get even better.
#39 Miami — Clyde Edwards-Helaire (RB, LSU)
One of the best players in the draft.
#40 Arizona — Julian Okwara (DE, Notre Dame)
I think he’s a legit first rounder but the injury could push him back.
#41 Cleveland — Antoine Winfield Jr (S, Minnesota)
One of the big winners from the combine.
#42 Jacksonville — Jaylon Johnson (CB, Utah)
Teams apparently really like him.
#43 Chicago — Laviska Shenault (WR, Colorado)
He could fall further than this.
#44 Seattle (v/IND) — Justin Madubuike (DT, Texas A&M)
He’d provide a quicker compliment to what they already have.
#45 Tampa Bay — Ross Blacklock (DT, TCU)
The kind of aggressive, freelancing DT that can work in this scheme.
#46 Denver — Matt Hennessy (C, Temple)
Hennessy is a brilliant prospect.
#47 Atlanta — K’Lavon Chaisson (LB, LSU)
Love the character and the leadership but he’s overrated.
#48 New York Jets — Damon Arnette (CB, Ohio State)
Ran poorly but still extremely talented.
#49 Pittsburgh — Curtis Weaver (DE, Boise State)
He’s their type of pass rusher.
#50 Chicago — John Simpson (G, Clemson)
Highly explosive, massive potential.
#51 Indianapolis (v/DAL) — Yetur Gross-Matos (DE, Penn State)
They still need to keep adding pass rushers.
#52 LA Rams — Prince Tega Wanogho (T, Auburn)
They need to find answers on the O-line with minimal picks.
#53 Philadelphia — Joshua Uche (LB, Michigan)
They need a linebacker or two.
#54 Buffalo — A.J. Epenesa (DE, Iowa)
He replaces Shaq Lawson.
#55 Atlanta (v/NE) — J.K. Dobbins (RB, Ohio State)
If he falls this far it’ll be good value.
#56 Miami — Hunter Bryant (TE, Washington)
Don’t sleep on Bryant.
#57 Houston — Lucas Niang (T, TCU)
They need to keep building up their O-line.
#58 Minnesota — Xavier McKinney (S, Alabama)
I don’t understand why he’s mocked as high as he is.
#59 Seattle — Hakeem Adeniji (G, Kansas)
Very explosive, had a superb Senior Bowl and has played guard and tackle.
#60 Baltimore — Cole Kmet (TE, Notre Dame)
They just traded Hayden Hurst to Atlanta.
#61 Tennessee — Tee Higgins (WR, Clemson)
He rested during the combine then had a crappy pro-day.
#62 Green Bay — Michael Pittman Jr (WR, USC)
I like this match for both parties.
#63 Kansas City (v/SF) — Chase Claypool (WR, Notre Dame)
One of the big winners at the combine and KC loves speed.
#64 Seattle — Jabari Zuniga (DE, Florida)
Zuniga adds speed and twitch to the pass rush.
The Cowboys trade up to #34, sending #51 and their third round pick to Indianapolis.
Seattle’s top three picks
#44 — Justin Madubuike (DT)
#59 — Hakeem Adeniji (G/T)
#64 — Jabari Zuniga (DE)
After trading down they acquire an extra third round pick, enabling them to add:
#75 — Cam Akers (RB)
#101 — Nick Harris (C)
Hope that was a suitable distraction.
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dont seem to see Julian Okwara in this draft. You see him making it to round 3?
Double dipping on edge would be interesting…
Typo. My mistake. Now rectified.
The Kangle might get the GOAT
Can’t wait to see them having a blazing row half way through the season.
Love this draft! Would be very, very happy with it.
Can’t say I share you’re sentiments
Think Pittman Jr. is on the hawks radar at all?
Maybe but they’ve never drafted a 4.5 runner earlier than round four and usually only take 4.4 or faster before round seven.
And an excellent distraction it was . . .
I just have this odd and comforting feeling the PC/JS are way on top of this situation and have several plans ready to execute to get the Hawks what they need to go. I’m so looking forward to seeing the roster of pass rushers we end up with at the end of the process and I think the FA acquisitions will get us quite a bit down that road . . . I know with the shortage on TP it may be dangerous to let the rainbows shoot out my arse here, but I think we’re in a positive place and that’s not bollocks.
Rob,
I am really concerned about who the Hawks will take in 6th round of 2021. Any thoughts?
Lmao
Probably a random DB with long arms or a name who fell after a bad combine.
Happy Saint Patrick’s Day everyone.
Erin Go Bragh!
Gesundheit
Irish, here. Éirinn go Brách!
Freak out? Seahawk twitter and fans? Say it uisn’t so.
We see this every year. PCJS don’t sign the first wave. Too expensive. But fans still freak out.
And most of the teams that do make these sorts of splashy first-wave moves don’t have sustained success. Some of these contracts will be bad, some will be real train wrecks, and the Seahawks have stayed good for so long because they don’t go all-in on mediocre players. Getting Olsen for $7m, BJ Finney for cheap… those are the kind of potential value moves Schneider loves.
I wouldn’t be Happy at all with this draft. It seems more based on need rather than talent. Which is in line with how the Seahawks draft.
Honestly, I dislike the first selection but the rest are pretty darn great. The trade down is almost inevitable, (assuming we have the pick in April), and getting Zuniga and OL help before the round ends is solid stuff. Thanks, Rob.
It’s nice to see Justin Jefferson finally make it into the first round of one of your drafts.
I’ve mocked him in R1 before today.
Must have been a while ago. You had him at 44 before the combine.
I’d be really disappointed with that draft. Not a difference maker among them. It would fall into the category that so many Seattle drafts have where it seems we’re drafting for depth that gets cut a few years down the line without ever cracking the starting line-up.
I mean look at all the players that pass us by between our original pick at 27 to Indy’s 2nd. We went from having a chance to get one of the following: Raekwon Davis, Cesar Ruiz, Isaiah Wilson, Grant Delpit, Willie Gay, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Antoine Winfield Jr, Julian Okwara only then to arrive at Justin Madubuike and the ability to add Cam Akers. I’d rather have one quality guy who will be pushing to start this year, and Cam Akers would still be there if we wanted him.
As for Nick Harris, we already have an undersized center and don’t really need another.
Agree with the Harris comment. Aside from being a Husky, I don’t see why he gets so much love on here. We already have Hunt. If they cut Britt and need to add a center, I hope it’s someone with a little more size. Hennessey and Donell Stanley are a couple I really like and could be taken later.
10000%, I would hate this scenario
Rob did you mock Madubuike because he is best available? It would seem to me that the Seahawks are pretty shored up on DT right now. Is he really that good?
Don’t have an eye for scouting talent purely a curious question about the prospect. Thanks for the article, I am one of those who are starting to get nervous.
Well, they have Poona and Reed. Not much else.
Ok I thought they had more than that. I was including Christmas, Mone, Jones, and I think they will bring Jefferson back on a cheap deal, but I get what you are saying they really don’t have a good solution outside of Reed and Puna.
Fair enough
Jefferson signed in Buffalo
I feel like it’s better to stay put at 27 and pick up Raekwon Davis than to pick up Madubuike and Akers. The impact of Davis on the line is more valuable than the combination of those 2 picks.
and a early Christmas coming in this summer.
Madubuike would be a nice interior rush rotation with Poona who’s more of a nose run stuffer.
Consider me… distracted. Thanks! Surprised to see you come around on Madubuike, but it’s good to consider different scenarios.
Personally, I would go a different direction if the board fell this way. I’d forget about the extra R3 pick and sink my teeth into Cesar Ruiz in R1, then target another DT later on.
I’ll assume we lose Ifedi in FA and sign a cheap veteran hedge for RT.
R1P27- C Cesar Ruiz
I’d rather have the premium size at Center instead of another undersized guy. Be the bully, don’t get bullied/bull rushed. Also allows us to move on from Britt and invest that $9m into the DL.
R2P59- T/G Hakeem Adeniji
Competition with the veteran at RT and if he doesn’t pan out at RT, at least you have a RG who can fill in for Fluker if he misses time next year and then eventually replace him.
R2P64 DE Jabari Zuniga
Huge upside.
R3 RB Cam Akers
We trade up with one of our R4 picks into mid R3 to get him.
R4 DT Rashard Lawrence
Has the length and the fire we like.
(P.S. I’m really angry Willie Gay Jr didn’t fall to us at the end of R2. How dare you…? 😉)
I’d probably stick with the trade
Draft
R2 Chaisson/Uche
R2 Robert Hunt/Matt Peart
R2 stick with Zuniga or Terrell Lewis
Throw that out if we sign Clowney, Griffen and Irvin like I’m still dreaming of. Would rather tap into the top end of this WR & OT class.
Eburgz, have you ever watched Peart play football? Second round??? Man, he will be lucky to be on an active roster next year with how soft he is.
Love it because both have the Seahawks taking Zuniga and Akers.
Trading down with Indy makes sense because they only signed Rivers to a 1-year deal. I like Madubuike, but might try for Gay Jr. or Wanogho at R2P44 instead.
Like Devin Bush, last year, I think Gay Jr. creeps out of range.
This is a fun distraction, Rob. Thank you!
If someone three weeks ago would have proposed a mock where Isaiah Wilson is available at 27 and Seattle didn’t take him, we both would have said that is unlikely. C’mon! Keep banging the table with me! 🙂
Thanks so much for this, Rob – much needed, both in FA and general world situation terms…
I might take Dobbins at 44 honestly that’s great value. I would like madbuike though too.
I want to say I would go back 7 but there just aren’t any in that range other than Damon Arnette and slot corner isnt the type of back 7 move I would want. If there was a LB in that range I would seriously consider it.
Thanks for the piece, Rob. I must admit to being somewhat disappointed by another year of slow down and wait, irrational as it may be. There was a part of me that was hoping they would be quick and aggressive due to the needs they have to get better along with the window they have with Russell Wilson. To this point, it’s been just like many years, sign your own players and then slowly pick through free agents looking for value signings. This mock draft also mirrors their usual approach, trade out it of the first, try to accumulate more picks and hope some of them hit.
I liked the idea and tone of some of your earlier pieces where you advocated being more aggressive; trading up for Simmons, picking Taylor with the first rounder. If there was a year to change the approach, this seemed to be it. Seeing Campbell, Hopkins go for as cheaply as they did makes you wonder why they weren’t in those deals more aggressively (as they try to be a part in many conversations). I realize they can’t win every deal or always go for the top mane draft choices but shouldn’t this be the year?
Finally, one last point. Would most fans prefer the Seahawks normal approach and always be a good to very good team at the edges of the playoffs each year or would you prefer a more aggressive front office? Thanks for your writing and energy Rob, we’re fortunate to have you!
In an earlier post I expressed a little concern over the Hawks lack of action so far, and was told I should chill out, its still early. This response was probably fair about 24 hours ago, but is it still appropriate now?
I think many of us thought, maybe just hoped, that PC/JS would act swiftly this offseason to shore up an obvious area of need, and so far we’ve only got Reed back on a short term deal.
There’s still time of course! They could resign Clowney, trade for Ngakoue, add Griffen or Fowler as all of these players are available. But does it really feel like they will be players for some of these guys? Reports seem to indicate Fowler wants Atlanta or back to LA. The Jags may decide not to trade Ngakoue even though he wants out, or another team could blow them away.
This is typical of Seattle under PC/JS though. They don’t generally dive into the deep end of free agency, rather they lurk in the shallow end picking up useful pieces, if not stars. This approach has definitely worked for them and the Hawks continue to be relevant, or better, each year.
I’ll try to be patient, have another cocktail, and let the pros do their thing, but its hard not to be a bit concerned. Imagine Clowney, Fowler and Ngakoue all getting snapped up by other teams, there’s likely to be a run on TP!!
I went back and watched dobbins last week and something struck me. He doesn’t have an extra gear. He’s around 209-215 lbs and has great vision, quickness, etc. he can’t break away like you’d think. When he’s in a crowd and Taylor, in the identical situation burts to daylight, Dobbins sort of tries to cut back and evade. Solid player, but I don’t think he’s a top 50 pick for me.
Plenty of great RBs have that problem though. Lynch wasnt fast, I think he broke 40 yards like 5 times lol
Wow, not really an apples to apples comparison. Difference in weight, playing style and overall talent. Lynch was plenty fast when he got into the open field, but he ran through people. You aren’t getting that from Dobbins. Just saying he’s probably not as highly coveted as originally thought.
Uh oh…
Dang, I loved QJeff
Crap city.
Nice guy but he’s a backup DT at best.
In the words of John S: He’s a grown-ass man. I will miss him, he wasn’t spectacular, but he was solid.
Disruptive
There it is:
SEA didn’t think he’s worth less than $7M per year? He was one of the better DLers on the team last year. He’s finally developing into a quality player. He’s at your position of greatest need. Why let him walk for such a paltry amount?
Unless they’re saving it up for Clowney. In which case, adios to QJeff. Thanks for the memories!
QJ is the definition of middle class, and now possibly overpaid. Solid player, great guy, but not a difference maker. Not worth $ when we need top shelf performers
Interesting. Going along with your own draft board order, however, I don’t know if I’d rather have one of the players just below (Davis, Ruiz…you got me liking them), or trade up to get a player I love that I think would be a real potential difference maker (Simmons…you got me hooked on that one…one of the stud OLmen, or CeeDee Lamb…I just think he’s going to be really good, could be wrong).
But…it’s somewhat in the eyes of the beholder.
Thanks.
Man…it’s turning more and more ghostly where I live now…myself pretty much at home now…
Girlfriend, dog and I just moved to a new town/city and it has basically shut down. Unreal.
Best to you, my friend. It’s going to be real different the next few months.
Same to you.
My #1 option for the Hawks was Clowney and Fowler. Both are still in play so I have hope. If they sign elsewhere I may start getting a little panicked. I have to admit.
Chill out? You know we’re on self imposed semi-quarantine over here. And some of us old goats in the higher risk age cadres are on double pins and needles. Chill out…………indeed. 🙂
Okay, so the Seahawks are doing the same ol’ Seahawky thing again this year and not jumping in the loony pool in the FA first wave. Personally I think that’s a good thing in the overall scheme of things. I’m happy to see that Clowney hasn’t been given the big ticket he thought he’d get, and that the likely candidates are spending big money elsewhere for the most part. I see the Seattle press guys are spreading a “rumor” that the team and Clowney are in serious negotiations now. Some might wonder about that “now”,. why did they wait? Well, in part. Clowney had to do his due diligence, and the team likewise. Now they can face each other at the bargaining table (literal or not) and do reality. Will they help him save face while getting something team friendlyish? I hope so, we’ll see.
I gotta say though Rob, you just cursed all those nice young men on your mock from ever becoming Seahawks. Those are good, logical, and practical picks. But it seems that JS reads this blog and I’m convinced as soon as you publish something like this he runs to the room with the Big Board and tells the staff to remove your choices from the board. Paranoid? Nah…………………………:)
HaHa! Speak it brother!
Also thinking this haha.
Rob do you ever think that talking about these players may harm their chances of them ever being Seahawks? I am sure other teams follow this blog as well. Has JS ever contacted you haha
BTW- love the work and content you’ve been putting. One of the best sources for seahawks knowledge
Because none of the people we talked about last year were picked by us…riiight.
QJeff seems like a nice guy but let’s be honest was he ever that good?
Quinton Jefferson out!!!
Nice one, Rob! And very welcome and timely-got the word last evening that we’ll be shutting down till the first of next month. At that point, it’s a “then we’ll see” kinda deal. Even if that’s the long and the short of it, no assurances students will come back in any numbers at any time soon.
Just means you’về got my full attention for the next little bit. Loved the piece, as always. I saw Q-Jeff went, but must have missed the ‘where’ of it- anybody know? And any reflections on the price the was a he to command, or what it says about where the DL market is currently at?
Cheers, all.
Bills, as posted above.
The price ‘he was able to command’ Oops!
Bleacher report says 2 year 16 million with up to 18 in incentives, 9.3 million guaranteed.
I think Vernon Butler’s contract is 2 years $16M, and QJeff’s deal is 2 year $13.5M.
A welcome distraction.
I am more anxious during this free agency period than I can remember. But like Rob said the main DE’s are still in play. If Clowney gets signed elsewhere and Yannick gets traded somewhere else I will be in serious panic mode though.
At this point my only draft DE wants are Matos and Zuniga. After studying Matos and Okwara over the last few days I came to the conclusion that Mator is far superior in many ways and I believe will end up being the better pro. I was originally on the Okwara bandwagon.
If Clowney, Ngakoue, Fowler, Griffen, etc all get signed by other teams, then the Hawks are likely in a worse situation than last year, something we all think is unthinkable. If they have to rely on multiple rookies to provide and improve the pass rush, this is likely another step back year. Sure, the offense will still be good, but we saw how our lack of pass rush last year limited the team’s potential.
Let’s hope PC/JS still have some tricks up their sleeves!
I would absolutely love this mock! Akers is a local kid for me would love to see the Hawks draft him.
Appreciate the content. Hopefully the FO gives you some flavorful meat to chew on by EOD…
Welcome BJ Finney on board!
Who? I have no idea. Hopefully he’s ok!
Looks like we signed BJ Finney, OL from the Steelers. Never heard of him but Steelers fans are mad so I take it as a good sign.
Think interior OL version of Fant’s role, he can play all 3 spots. But he actually plays very well when he starts. Very impressive player. Could be a nice starter for us at Guard or Center.
Britt or Iupati replacement?
Probably depends on who we draft at C. I’d say it’s more likely to be Britts replacement. If they view him as the C we could just go OG instead.
I think you are correct because I think Phil Haynes will be our starting LG this year.
Hawks signing B.J. Finney 2 years 8M! Nice!
Who is this BJ Finney?
Pretty sure I brought him up here during the season. Hes a very capable IOL and is a STEAL on that contract
Steelers reddit wasn’t too happy about it, bodes well for us.
Hedges a ton of positions for cheap. Great signing!
I’m tending to be slightly on the optimistic side concerning Clowney. My guess, beyond the obvious competing market challenge to retain him, is that they want to do a two-fer on the DL, Clowney AND someone else.
We’ll see…
I hope so. If its just Clowney that puts us right back where we were last year.
I was just thinking that I wouldn’t be surprised if two DL signings came in rapid back-to-back fashion.
Not quite right back where we were last year, now that Jefferson is a goner!
Finney is listed as a C on PFF. I know that he’s able to play the pivot. He is going to make $8 million over two years… Britt about to be cut
I think you’re right. If theres 1 player this points to is Cesar Ruiz. Can cut Britt and have Finney in case you can’t draft Ruiz. If you get CR, Finney is swing OG aaaaand backup C. Or Finney can compete with guys like Nick Harris and will also compete at both G spots
You could easily be right in regards to the Finney/Ruiz situation. Funny thing, however. I thought just the opposite, that the Hawks might feel they’ve got the center position more nailed down with the choices of Finney, Pocic, and Hunt, that they will look elsewhere now on the line.
But I could easily be wrong.
Both are very possible. This move bought them flexibility, it will probably just come down to what the board looks like, which is a good spot to be in. Love this move!
Rob-love the concept here and the distraction. ;). In this scenario I’d personally hope they would target one of the top 6-8 receivers. Since you don’t mock that, who is left in your mind that could still come in and hopefully compliment Lockett and Metcalf that lasts later in the draft that they could still target?
Not Rob, but I think Devin Duvernay would make a great compliment in the slot. 4.3 speed, physical, best hands in the draft, and great character. Might be available in R3.
*complement
I’ve been saying this for a while but I really believe Josh Gordon stayed in the PNW because he knew he was in the Seahawks plans once the new CBA passed.
B.J. Finney… 2-year/$8M deal
Bills are stacking up the Dline.
Signed q jeff and vernon butler. They have a really nice rotation. Still lots of cap space. Making a big time superbowl run.
Man playing in buffalo is going to be tough , mark my words. The crowd and that defense, i already smell that 1st half shout out.
I’m rooting for them in the AFC all the way this year. I’m ready for Buffalo to finally get some redemption and get back to the superbowl! But lose to us 😉
I can’t stand Jim Kelly and don’t like them ever since.
and Mario Addison also !
I think we play in Buffalo this year right? If so hopefully its early and not late.
Seahawks sign BJ Finney two years $8 million. If I remember right we talked about him some four years ago. I think he was a Kansas St center if I remember right.
I’m more worried about our cap space disappearing than players we like. Even if we resign Clowney the DLine is the same. We need to add.
Well once we cut Britt we will actually save $7M this year after already adding his replacement. (Or hedge for his draft pick replacement)
We also have yet to cut Ed Dickson. To Rob’s point he’s mentioned a few times, it is also how you structure the cap hits.
Good point. Speaking of cap hits, did you see Reed’s cap hit this year is only $4M?
Reed’s cap hit in 2020 is $9.35 million. Not sure where you saw $4.
When it comes to Dickson and Britt they wont want to release them until they can pass a physical. If you release them before then you have to pay each of them a $1.2 million injury settlement.You release both of them before then you would lose $2.4 million in cap space. It wouldnt count until September but you would still have to prepare for it.
Well given no one can travel right now (NFL has banned players flying to/from) that’s where the delay might be. Still think there may be a chance they will restructure w/ Britt even w/ bringing back Hunt and signing Finney.
$4mil is his year 1 base but then you need to include his bonus $$
Good versatility as he has played both center and guard. Can play LG if needed or be our replacement at center if they move on from Britt.
No news is good news on clowney.
Heard one guy say on the Reddit that with Finney in the fold we can’t afford Clowey. Um? No. I feel more confident than ever Clowney will return as a seahawk
BJ Finney played everywhere for the Steelers. Recently started at Right Tackle last season. Is this the veteran hedge for losing Ifedi? Or left Guard? We will find out!
There are some very intriguing parts and pieces who have been cut within the last 72 hours.
I mention these guys, since they do not count against the comp pick formula.
Trufant at CB / Falcons
Floyd at OLB/DE / Bears
Kennard at LB / Lions
Freeman at RB / Falcons
Swaim at TE / Jaguars
Among a few I found that could be “fits” with Seattle… most could be modest priced as well.
I’d be ecstatic fi we could manage to bring in Trufant, Kennard, Clowney and another pass rusher. Address RT, DT, WR and interior OL in the draft.
Kennard has the USC connection with PC.
If I read it correctly, Q Jeff has signed a deal with the Bills.
Nooooo!!! Such a bummer. Happy for him, but he was solid and will be missed IMO. Nice pickup for the BIlls.
2 years $13 million.
Rob , nice mock. Very nice work.
Although there is no way jeremy chinn will get past 45.
Think about this, ridiculous combine, explosive .Fantastic athlete , dinamic , can play multiple alignments and positions. The kid makes your defense faster and more explosive. He should be our target at 40 ish.
Either you trade back and select him or you trade up. To me he is a no brainer man.
I give it about a 75% chance Chinn lasts into the late 2nd.
Chin had a great workout… he’s not even a top 5 safety in his class. Instincts and film are important as well.
If you watch his tape it’s underwhelming. A good combine doesn’t guarantee R2.
Anyone know anything about Bryce Huff, EDGE from Memphis? Late round prospect maybe?
Well, looks like BJ Finney doesn’t get false starts…
https://youtu.be/AD-NvhiuQJ0
Oh that is awesome
How about holding penalties?
😂 I remember seeing that play! Didn’t know it was him.
Thoughts on the mock.
If Isaiah Wilson is on the board when the Seahawks first pick, and they trade down…
The Seahawks are stupid
It’s early, but I’m reminded of RW3’s line about the team needing more superstars. We’ve got the salary cap space and draft capital to do so. Would like to see Hawks make inroads in that regard.
+1
Maybe BJ Finney is a superstar?? More likely a middling, replacement level Off Lineman who may have been brought in to replace Britt for 1/3 the cost. If so, probably a good move.
1. Can we sign/pay Ifedi, Clowney, and Fowler/Yannick? Need to cut Britt or Wright?
2. If possible, would you prefer Yannick (-2nd round pick) or Fowler (+2nd round pick)?
3. Kendricks is also still unsigned… good news for us? Is he coming up on sentencing?
Tough question on Fowler vs Ngakoue as you are talking consistant production and lose a 2 vs inconsistant production and keep your 2. Ngakoue would probably be more expensive as well.
Yes, we can still make Clowney’s cap $ small this year. And yes, would still need to cut britt and/or KJ.
Let’s say JC cap hit is $7M, Yannick gets the tag at $17M, and Ifedi gets $8M.
That’s $32M. I would guess after Britt and KJ we would be at around $35M.
Looks like a $3.5 million cap hit for Finney in 2020.
44. Willie Gay Jr. LB / Kyle Dugger S
59. Bryan Edwards WR
64. Jabari Zuniga DE
75. Lucas Niang OT
101. Rashard Lawrence DT
133. Zack Moss RB
144. Robert Hunt OG
154. Michael Ojemudia CB
214. Devin Duvernay WR/KR
Resign Clowney, cut Britt and Dickson, and McDougald if we draft Dugger. Sign Everson Griffen. Let Ifedi go and sign Demar Dotson or Andrew Whitworth to a 1 year deal to compete with Niang.
I don’t get the first two picks. They don’t address our position priority needs. I’d much rather have Davis as our early pick.
I do like Zuniga a ton.
I had Davis there but we can wait on DT after retaining Reed. You’re not getting a LB like Willie or a S like Dugger if you wait, they probably won’t actually be there. Willie/Dugger+Lawrence > Raekwon+Chinn/Pinckney.
Although I would take Pinckney or Azur Kamara layer on if we miss out on the top 3 LBs.
I wouldn’t complain at all about this draft class, especially if it complements a nice FA.
And while I’m glad you got him to the Hawks, my guy Duvernay in R7?! Don’t do him dirty like that! Somewhere on day 2 for sure IMO. Find me the last WR to go on day 3 who ran in the 4.3s and had over 1000 yds his final season in college.
So far it looks like this for our 2020 cap hits.
Jarren Reed…$9.3
Greg Olsen…$6.9
BJ Finney…$3.5
Jacob Hollister…$3.259
Joey Hunt…$2.133
David Moore…$2.133
Branden Jackson…$2.133
Luke Willson…???
Total…$29.408
So cutting KJ and Britt probably gets us to $30-32M. Cutting McDougald and Dickson would get it up to about $40M. About $30M savings between those 4.
Britt and Dickson are likely gone. I’d be suprised if they cut KJ and McD though. Those two are big locker room guys that PCJS value. KJ maybe takes a restructure though.
$5M cap hit is a lot for McDougald, I think he gets the axe. Give Blair a real shot and draft someone too. KJ $10M cap hit is huge, but with your points along with the limited options to replace him I agree it’s not as likely.
We already have Mcdougalds replacement on the roster, though, so I dont think they’ll hold back from doing any moves they want just to keep him around.
No way they cut Bradley McD. When healthy, he’s been the most consistent and best playmaker back there. Blair has got to win that spot, he won’t be given it (though, I do love his tenacity).
McDougalds ability to play both safety spots is valuable. Would like to keep him. T2 saves $2.1m- no brainer cut right?
If KJ doesn’t take a pay cut, couldn’t they just sign Kendricks for $3m or so?
Thanks for keeping track of this.
I was just thinking: what if some team actually gave us a R2 (or R3) for Hollister and we use it to draft Hunter Bryant… A man can dream…
Thanks for the Mock Rob. I hate it because Ruiz falls into our laps and we give him away! I would be crushed if that happens. I know it’s in JS blood to trade down but I would be very happy if they took BPA in round one this year, especially if it s a potential stud like Ruiz or one of the good tackles fall.
Same for Isaiah Wilson.
I believe both of them will drop into second round due to the depth in this draft. I would take Cleveland @27 if all of them are available.
I wonder if Jordan Jenkins could be an under the radar Leo? 6’3″ 259, 34.5 inch arms. Pretty decent combine numbers. Never know who could be the next Shaq Barrett.
Sacks went up every year (2,3,7,8) TFL’s went up every year (2,5,6,9). Dude has 11.25 inch mitts. I saw 4.77 40 with a 1.58 10 yard split.
Plus he is only 25…26 when the season starts.
Good call Greg. Jenkins could be a good 2nd wave option. Fits the mold of a Hawks Leo.
Useful FA list:
https://nflupdate.co/full-list-of-2020-free-agents-sorted-by-position/
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Why are folks “freaking out” about free agency when the NFL won’t play in 2020? Barring a miracle, there will be no vaccine until 2021. NFL will do what NHL/NCAA/ NBA/ MLB/ PGA have all done…
You don’t necessarily need a vaccine to resume normal activities. Just for the disease to ‘peak’ and taper off to a more manageable level. How long that may take is variable but it’s not contingent on a vaccine though it would help.
Hi Rob. In your latest mock draft scenario, is it fair to assume that Seattle has also signed Clowney and Griffen? Thanks for the distraction!
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I’d feel a lot better with Davis in Seattle… and anywhere but San Francisco!
I’d be pretty happy with this draft. You didn’t have them drafting a WR though, so do you see them addressing the position in free agency, or just resisting the call of this deep WR class to fill more pressing needs?
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Rob,
Have you seen Bob McGinn’s article he posted for the Athletic? Lots of interesting quotes on the offensive guys. Wish he could come on your podcast. Speaking of which, when is Tony going to come on?
Man, the Athletic used to allow you to read a couple free articles per month if you installed their mobile app. Apparently not any more. Hopefully someone who has a subscription can share a few quotes for both offensive and defensive prospects, or Rob can integrate them into one of his own articles.
I’ll paste a few from offence and defense, ignoring anyone who isn’t expected to be in range. Finally bit the bullet and paid for an annual subscription about two days before the sports world came tumbling down, so I might as well get some use out of it!
Offence:
Brandon Aiyuk, Arizona State (5-11 1/2, 205): A onetime junior college player, Aiyuk “was a backup (in 2018),” said one scout. “Nobody even knew who the guy was prior to the season. Each game the guy improved. He’s much better than (N’Keal Harry) the guy last year that went in the first round. That guy was a jumper; this guy is a separator.” He ran the 40 OK at 4.53 seconds but had jumps of 40 inches in the vertical leap and 10 feet, 7 inches in the broad jump. “Really a utility player similar to Deebo Samuel,” another scout said. “Not a natural receiver. More of a jack of all trades. Just quick routes, end-arounds. Returns. He’s tough and has some explosiveness in his route-running.” Scored a 23 on his first crack at the Wonderlic intelligence test.
Tee Higgins, Clemson (6-3 1/2, 216): He elected not to work at the combine but did test Thursday at Clemson’s pro day. “He’s got great size, he’s exceptionally athletic, his ball skills are top-notch and he’s a really good route runner,” said one scout. He caught 135 passes, averaged 18.1 yards per catch and had 27 touchdown receptions. “He wasn’t the best receiver at Clemson,” another scout said. “The sophomore, Justyn Ross, was. When they needed a big play, they went to Ross. Physical receiver, excellent strength, body control and hands. I question his top speed and explosion. Reminds me of Mike Williams, who San Diego drafted in the first round (in 2017). He’s more of a strong, possession-type guy than a top speed guy. I’d estimate he’s 4.55.”
Chase Claypool, Notre Dame (6-4, 238): He is from Abbotsford, B.C., an hour east of Vancouver. “He had no fundamental sports background, including football,” said one scout. “You’ve got to temper your excitement a little bit. He tested out of this world but there’s still a lot of work to be done there. Not a natural catcher, not a natural route runner. Kind of gets by on his ability. This kid is a much better football player and way tougher than the (Miles) Boykin kid that came out last year. I think he’ll get drafted in the second round … but I need something more sure in that round.” Production improved each of his four seasons. Ran 4.44 seconds with a 40 1/2-inch vertical jump. “He goes to the combine and kills it,” another scout said. “Now he’s one of the buzz guys. People were talking about him as a tight end. I said this is a No. 1 (wide) receiver. Fluid, body control, girth, speed. Awful QB (in Ian Book), but still makes plays. Nothing’s wrong with him.” He scored a 27 on the Wonderlic.
Jalen Reagor, TCU (5-10 1/2, 206): He averaged 15.2 receiving yards, 9.3 rushing yards, 17.8 punt return yards and 24.2 kickoff return yards. “Holy (cow), he’s exciting,” one scout said. “He was one of the guys I got most excited about. He’s an explosive playmaker.” His father, Montae, was a second-round draft choice in 1999 who started 46 of 99 games for three teams as a defensive tackle. “He is as explosive a receiver as I saw this year,” another scout said. “I haven’t seen a better punt returner, either.” Ran 4.46 seconds in the 40. Said a third scout: “I thought he was the most explosive route runner on tape. He’ll go up over people with bodies around. Little bit raw. Strong hands, but a lot of easy drops. You’re always going to have to deal with drops with him but he is a playmaker.”
Denzel Mims, Baylor (6-3, 207): A three-year starter with 28 touchdowns. “I would have thought no way in the world just watching him on tape and now he’s top 50,” one scout said. “He’s a big guy and ran fast. You see he’s got savvy, hands, good route runner. Kind of a limited route tree at Baylor. Just kind of a catch-and-get-tackled guy. You didn’t see the deep speed.” Had a big week at the Senior Bowl, especially in the red zone, and then ran 4.38 seconds in the 40. His arms measured 33 7/8 inches. “He has strength and hands but I don’t think he’s anything special,” another scout said. “In the Big 12 Championship Game, Parnell Motley (of Oklahoma) totally shut him down and he’s a late-round pick. He’s a guy that makes the possession catches.”
Isaiah Wilson, Georgia (6-6 1/2, 350): He renounced his final two years of eligibility. “He is one tough, nasty guy,” one scout said. “He’s the right tackle but I guess you could play him on the left and get by. He needs to learn to use his hands more. He’s strong and really nasty.” He ran the slowest 40 of the top linemen at 5.37 seconds. His arms measured 35 1/2 inches. “I think people are asleep on him,” a second scout said. “He could play on the left side. He’s enormous. He’s just not as clean of a package as Thomas. Thomas is a cleaner kid. But there’s film of Wilson where he looks every bit as good as Thomas.”
Austin Jackson, USC (6-5, 322): He surprised some personnel people with his decision to enter the draft a year early. “I couldn’t believe it,” said one. “One word I’d put on him is soft.” He started at left tackle. “He probably should have stayed in another year,” said another scout. “If he stays in, he’s a shoo-in top-20 pick next year. He still has a chance to go first round this year. Arrow’s really up. He’s starting to fill out more and get stronger. Pass pro’s really good. Like natural pass pro guy. Will need to get better as a run blocker.” He ran the 40 in 5.08 seconds and his arms measured 34 1/8 inches. “I don’t like him but there’s plenty of people that do,” a third scout said. “He’s only 20. He’s very weak and just kind of an average athlete. Just a short-area, position blocker.”
Josh Jones, Houston (6-5, 319): He had a big week at the Senior Bowl. “He stood out athletically (in Mobile),” one scout said. “His performance (during the season) was a little inconsistent. Thing that will hurt him, he’s not as clean of a kid as some of these other guys.” He ran the 40 in 5.28 seconds and his arms measured 33 7/8 inches. “Not an elite athlete but a good athlete,” another scout said. “Uses his length well. Knows how to play. Gets on guys. He is definitely top 50.”
Ezra Cleveland, Boise State (6-6, 311): He played left tackle but switched sides at times and also worked some as a tight end. “He’s athletic enough to play the left side and play guard,” said one scout. “He did the bench 30 times. He’s probably a riser. Sometimes people go up there on tackles just because they’re so hard to find. He’s a junior. He’s from Boise out west. Not a ton of people know a ton about him. He had a really good combine.” He ran 4.94 seconds and his 30 reps on the bench press led the leading linemen. “He’s very efficient,” another scout said. “Plays on his feet. Very balanced. Quick. Didn’t surprise me the way he worked out. He’s just not a power strong guy. More athletic, quick, position, crafty, which I like. When I watched him, I said he was going to be a second-round pick. Early second now.”
Cesar Ruiz, Michigan (6-2 1/2, 307): He is the best of Michigan’s four offensive linemen, all of whom are expected to be drafted. “He’s quick, got some initial jolt, plays hard and is smart,” said one scout. “He’s what you want in a center.” His 11-inch hand size was the largest among the top linemen and he ran the 40 in 5.11 seconds. “Really an interesting guy,” said a second scout. “I really thought he was quick and really got to the second level. Best in a zone system. Against Alabama he struggled some with Raekwon Davis. Only negative I had was the strength thing. He’ll have problems like (Garrett) Bradbury has problems (for the Vikings), but he can do all the stuff that Bradbury did.”
Clyde Edwards-Helaire, LSU (5-7, 207): He played sparingly as a freshman, gained 658 yards as a sophomore and exploded for 1,414 yards (and 6.6 yards per carry), 55 receptions and 17 TDs in 2019. “He’s my favorite back to watch,” one scout said. “He’s the best receiver of all of them. They killed people on that Texas route. He’s so quick. Natural hands.” He was regarded as a poor man’s Barry Sanders by another scout. A third said he was reminiscent of Maurice Jones-Drew. He ran the 40 in just 4.59 seconds but posted a vertical of 39 1/2 inches. “Short, rocked-up, strong, really good balance, can be elusive,” said one scout. “He’s not 4.3 but he’s fast enough.” He also returned kickoffs for three years, averaging 21.9 yards per return. “Against Nick Saban’s defense, he scored four touchdowns,” said another scout. “The guy is totally amazing. When he’s in traffic, they can’t find the guy. If he was taller, he’d probably be the best back. I’ve got absolutely no negatives except his height. He pass blocks. He returns kickoffs. They put him out (wide) and he runs routes.”
AJ Dillon, Boston College (6-0 1/2, 247): He posted three straight 1,000-yard seasons. “Like a John Riggins,” one scout said. “Like an old-school, downhill thumper. This guy’s better than James Conner coming out. He went to the Pro Bowl (in 2018). Their play style is very similar. To me, the Pittsburgh Steelers’ mouth is watering over this guy. He’s their kind of back. His workout numbers were way better than even the guys that liked him would have told you.” His vertical jump of 41 inches led all backs; he ran a surprisingly swift 4.50-second 40. “In the old days, this guy would be a fullback,” another scout said. “He’s like a big hammer. In goal-line and short-yardage (situations), the guy would be excellent. He gets 3 yards each time. He takes people with him.” He caught just 21 passes at BC. “He’s OK to me,” a third scout said. “Straight-line banger. Not nifty. Not going to help much in the pass game.”
Defence:
Neville Gallimore, Oklahoma (6-2, 305): Gallimore’s a three-technique who made a lot of money by running a 4.82-second 40 at the combine. “He’s really intriguing,” one scout said. “If you like bigger guys, you’d probably like Davon Hamilton or McTelvin Agim. His competitiveness isn’t an issue. It’s his lack of productivity. For his ability level, his productivity isn’t very good. But he was almost unblockable at the Senior Bowl.” Gallimore spent five years in the program and played four seasons, finishing with 8 1/2 sacks, five forced fumbles, two passes defensed and no recovered fumbles. “He’s a workout guy,” said another scout. “He worked out like a phenom. I guess that’s always been his deal. As far as a player, I didn’t think he was very productive or effective. He is just a one-trick pony. Just try to shoot the gaps. Anything else, they just wear him out inside. As a pass rusher, not a lot of moves. But he’ll go top 50. This might be the position most of all that people just kind of invent players.”
Marlon Davidson, Auburn (6-3 1/2, 300): With interior pass rushers in short supply, Davidson would have a chance to give Auburn a pair of first-round defensive linemen. “He’ll be up in there,” said one scout. “Combative, instincts, effort. Doesn’t fit great at end (in a 4-3) but a really good player. More of a 3-4 DE. You wouldn’t want him inside on run downs, but on pass stuff definitely.” He clocked 5.04 with 33-inch arms and 10-inch hands and posted 14 1/2 sacks in four seasons. Davidson impressed during Senior Bowl practices. “On rush downs, he’d be excellent inside,” another scout said. “You just haven’t seen enough of him doing that. He’s a midround guy who looked like a way-up-there guy at the Senior Bowl. He’s kind of a tweener a little bit. I see him more as a 3-4 five-technique. He’s not fast enough to play (4-3) end.”
Ross Blacklock, TCU (6-3, 290): Blacklock missed all of 2018 with a torn Achilles and returned in seven months to play 12 games in 2019. “He’s got a ton of physical upside,” said one scout. “Pretty good workout overall. If he’s your flavor, he could be top 50. He’s a three-technique. He can move. But he’s an inconsistent guy. You’ll see one game where you go, ‘Holy (cow).’ Then he disappears for some games.” He ran a 4.91-second 40 at the combine, and it was also in Indianapolis where the Raiders informed him he had garnered 37 parking tickets on the TCU campus. One of his poorest games was the 28-24 loss at Oklahoma Nov. 23 when the Sooners rushed 64 times for 366 yards. “It was almost as if they said going into the game, ‘We’re going to just beat the (shit) out of this guy,’” another scout said. “They just kept beating him and beating and hitting him after the whistle. I hadn’t seen a concerted effort where a team was just going to wear a guy out. It was the left guard (Marquis Hayes) and the left tackle (Erik Swenson) that got after him. Mostly the left guard. … You see some athletic ability. Nimble, quick. But a nonexplosive guy. He just gets beat up inside. I don’t think he’s very tough or competitive. Just a flash-gap penetrating guy.”
Yetur Gross-Matos, Penn State (6-5, 266): Gross-Matos generally operated as a five-technique for the Nittany Lions, but he fits more as a right end in a 4-3 or outside linebacker in a 3-4. “When there’s a run on rushers, guys like him get bumped up,” one scout said. “Really good bender. Really smooth mover. He’s had some accountability/maturity issues. Talent-wise, he’s interesting.” He performed well in the jumps with a 34-inch vertical and a broad jump of 10 feet at the combine but decided not to run the 40. “He’s a finesse flash player,” said another scout. “He’s got quick get-off as a pass rusher but not good finish, not good strength. Lacks that second effort, desire, toughness that you want to see. He’s an athlete, not a football player.”
Zack Baun, Wisconsin (6-2 1/2, 238): The early portion of Baun’s five-year career was ruined by injury, including a broken foot that caused him to miss all of 2017. His best season was his last one, with 12 1/2 sacks as a 3-4 outside linebacker. “Baun’s main thing is rushing,” said one scout. “That’s where he had most of his success. Baun’s an interesting guy. He can rush, drop. There’s a scarcity at the position, but I don’t think he has the serious juice to be a first-rounder.” He ran a 4.68-second 40 and also was used as an off-the-ball linebacker at the Senior Bowl. “I didn’t see that in him,” another scout said of employing Baun at middle linebacker. “He’s physical enough. I saw him more as a 3-4 outside or (strong side) in a 4-3. He and (Utah’s Bradlee) Anae are very similar. Good with his hands, smart, active, productive, very versatile, good athlete, got burst and speed. He sets the edge well. I like him a lot.” His Wonderlic score was 24.
Grant Delpit, LSU (6-2 1/2, 213): A three-year starter with eight interceptions, seven sacks and 24 passes defensed, Delpit is “probably the best (safety),” according to one scout. “This guy is too big and fast and has too-good cover skills. He can be a tight-end eraser, which everybody’s looking for. He’s first-round worthy.” Another scout had a different opinion: “He can’t tackle anybody, he can’t man (cover) and he doesn’t have range off the hash. There’s your first-round safety everybody has fallen in love with. I haven’t seen a guy miss so many tackles as this guy. It’s bizarre. … He’s active. He knows how to play. But he’s not an athlete so he can’t break down. That’s why he just misses. It’s not because he’s so aggressive. He just can’t do it. He’ll hit people, but not where it overcomes the liability.” Another scout charted six games (Texas, Vanderbilt, Florida, Mississippi State, Auburn, Alabama) and charged Delpit with 16 missed tackles. Delpit declined to work at the combine.
Thank you!
This is awesome! Thanks so much for posting this it is great appreciated.
Just reading it now.
Really reassuring to see the Barry Sanders and MJD comps for CEH. And also to see how much the league likes Andrew Thomas. This is all stuff we’ve been saying.
Gotta love the scouts trying in any way possible to get these guys to drop to their team… 😂
On Okudah: “I don’t quite see top-10 talent.”
On Simmons: “Down in and down out, he’s not a factor or a difference-maker.”
Funny quotes on those two. If you watched a lot of Clemson, which I have, Simmons is effing everywhere. It’s almost remarkable how often he’s around the ball. Though there’s no comparison in talent, he reminded me of BBK in that way at UW. And Okudah…please. I’m no expert at all, but that guy was almost impossible to beat.
I adore MJD. If he can be close, if take him in a heartbeat.
The Ravens just added Brockers to Campball and Judon. Looks like an all in season for them.
We thought the Hawks would be the ones who were aggressive fixing the DL but so far that team has been the Ravens.
I still think PC?JS have a plan and some moves up their sleeves. Have to believe the delay in more moves is trying to get that Clowney deal done. At least I hope that is the case.
As it stand now I still think they can add Clowney, Fowler and a low cost guy like Irvin if they make some other moves cap wise.
This would be such a Hawks draft. I would really dislike it.
You have Ruiz, Wilson, Davis, Gay, Delpit, Okwara, CEH, Winfield at #27. You trade back and get Akers for plus?
I think you could get an OK runner later. If we even think someone might take the first 3 names in R1, I wouldn’t trade out. All 3 plug-n-play starters for positions of need.
If we traded back and the draft goes this way I might try to trade back again. I don’t feel Madubuike is better than Uche, Niang, Bryant, Kmet, Prince, Adenji, Claypool.
I like the Zuniga pick but other than that I wouldn’t be too much happy with any of the rest (Akers is OK, but not a fist-pumping pick).
As for the DL FA situation I think the wait-game is not the best strategy. Imagine Griffen goes to another team.
That’d put SEA in a bad position. Fowler can say: OK, give me 21m APY 4 years 55m GTD which is pretty high but not totally crazy or I won’t sign and you can keep your last year’s bad passrush. The less backup plans the more pressure your A plan can put you under.
I feel PCJS have 3 plans:
A, Wait and hope for a good deal for 2 passrushers
B, If only 1 good passrusher stayed on the market wait and try to trade for Ngakoue for cheaper (R2 for example)
C, If everything falls through get a single passrusher in FA and double dip in the early draft (Davis or Madubuike AND Okwara or Zuniga or Greenard). Risky, but if works you can get 2 young and cheap rusher. And a Clowney-Reed-Davis-Zuniga/Greenard or Clowney-Reed-Madubuike-Okwara line doesn’t look that bad. A bit too risky for me, but as a backup plan it is OK
My best guess right now is that the other FA DEs probably have offers on the table from several teams (perhaps even the Seahawks as well), but are waiting to let Clowney set their market a bit higher.
Im betting your right, especially when it comes to Fowler. It appears as he wants to be a Falcon but they want his price to come down.
If we started week 1 with a defensive like like this would we be happy or sad?
Leo:
Bruce Irvin
Jordan Jenkins
Draft Pick ( Ex.. Zuniga)
1 Tech:
Poona Ford
Veteran DT ( Al Woods type)
3 Tech:
Jarran Reed
LJ Collier
5 Tech:
Jadeveon Clowney
Raheem Green
LJ Collier
Good nine man rotation.
That looks solid to me. Going to need Collier and Green to take big steps though for this DL to get to the next level as the only additions would be Irvin or Jenkins and a rookie. Plus they lost Jefferson who was their 2nd best DL man last year.
Sad and disappointed! This isn’t what I (probably most of us the SDB actually) had in mind when thinking about how PC/JS would fix the pass rush. Not sure you can say this unit is any better than last year’s unit which ranked near the bottom in pressures, sacks, etc.
I sure hope they are aiming higher than this. Even after factoring in improvement from Collier and Green, this unit would be below average, since they have already lost Jefferson.
Not bad. Do we have the figures on the Irvin and Jenkins signings yet?
Irvin played for $4 million last year so lets just use that. Maybe $5 million for Jenkins (just throwing out numbers). Lets just say the sack totals looked like this which is fair.
Leo:
Irvin…6
Jenkins…6
Rookie…2
1 Tech:
Free Agent Woods type…2
Ford…0
3 Tech:
Reed…6
Collier…4
5 Tech:
Clowney…8
Green…6
Say you get 5 sacks between the LB’s and the corners. That gives you 45 sacks which would rank you 11th in 2019. Obviously these are made up numbers but they are all numbers that could easily happen
Well that would be some WR corps…
Tommy wants to go to TB and light it up. Add in the two TE they have and that offense will be scary. TB is a darkhorse in that NFC South as I think the Saints are do for a down year.
TB in TB is gonna be…. TB.
Idk how to feel as a “Bucs fan” (my 2nd team). I hate Brady, but love the Bucs.. I might take a 1 year hiatus from Bucs fandom lol
It’ll be kinda like when Joe Montana came over from SF & won that Super Bowl with the KC Chiefs. Or when Michael Jordan went to wherever he went to after the Bulls. Was it the Charlotte ‘Bee-Bim-Bops’ or something like that?
Uhhh, Montana winning a SB with the Chiefs???? Hope that was tongue in cheek.
Jordan went to the Wizards after “retiring” a second time from the Bulls
Whoa, snarked on Joe Montana and MJ. Montana is a gentleman, btw.
If you’re going to dislike the Buccs for their QB choice, I’d have thought you’d have started with the literal rapist they have now…
As free agency begins today I hope JS breaks from his traditional wait for the market to come to him mode and go off script like GB did last year
Go out today and lock up Clowney and Fowler then figure out the rest after that. Give this DL two young cornerstones to build around going forward along with Wagner, Griffen and Diggsand Jarren Reed. You have solid players at all 3 levels and can figure out the rest.
Just don’t follow GBs playoff flameout model. Always happy when Boo-Hoo Rodger’s season ends with a whimper.
Mockery and snark doth not become thee.
IN the new CBA plaayers can no longer be suspended for marijuana usage. Have to think that increases the likelihood of Josh Gordon being reinstated and coming back to the Hawks next year.
He is not a guy you can count on and I think they still need to add a #3 guy in the draft but he would be a nice little bonus as a 4th or 5th WR.
Flash was suspended this last time for more than weed, I believe….
I have no problem with players smoking weed. I wouldn’t sign a player who can’t stop smoking weed.
I was thinking that the NFL has got to start making plans for a delayed season at the least. No spring camps (that seems pretty clear). I could see them eliminating most of the pre-season games to gain some time flexibility. I was also thinking, just an off-the-cuff idea, that they could eliminate the 4 inter-league games, push them back a year, and go to a 12 game schedule. More time flexibility.
We’ll see how it turns out. It’ll be interesting.
If football is negatively impacted, there will be much larger, macro, societal issues to focus on. Football will be a distant memory.
I was just thinking that the NFL can plan for creating some time flexibility. They do have some room to move in that way with preseason.
Yup. Certainly time to plan for such a scenario. Some football is better than none.
My thought is: Economically, if we continue to hunker down to avoid ICU overload through summer, our economy is at serious risk.
No doubt. It’s bombs away now with the FED and government spending. What I’m seeing now is eye-popping.
Anyway…back to football and FAcy. 🙂
Sadly I’m planning for no sports in 2020. At all.
Perhaps they’ll play games but with no fans in the stands. 👎🏼👎🏼
Yesssss…
That sounds promising…
I think he’ll eventually (today or tomorrow) sign for just over what Buckner got, or the same as Buckner. This honestly couldn’t be going any better for us.
Poor guy might have to settle for 20 million give or take.
I wonder if the offer is 18M.
Give me Clowney, Griffen, and a draft pick developmental LEO along with another lower priced vet rusher like Irvin. I want them all.
Possibly another 2 year 20-21m deal with incentives.
Before the season, NFL scouts had Duvernay as a late round pick, idk how much this year/ combine helped him honestly, especially in this class. I think R4 – R6
Then he went out and had a breakout year, then backed it up with a really good performance at the Combine.
I’m more than willing to be wrong or agree to disagree, but out of the 60 WRs in the last 10 drafts who ran in the 4.3s or better at the Combine, here’s where they were taken:
R1: 11
R2: 8 (shoutout DK Metcalf)
R3: 10
R4: 12 (six of those were top 10 picks in the 4th round)
R5: 6
R6: 5
R7: 2
UDFA: 6 (shoutout Ricardo Lockette)
Total in R1-R3: 29
Total after R3: 31
And of those 31 taken after R3, here’s how many had 1000+ yds in their final college season:
Chris Givens, R4P96 in 2012 (that was the very first pick of R4)
Jarius Wright, R4P118 in 2012
I know it’s not an absolute, but recent history strongly suggests he will go earlier than day 3. And that’s without even taking into account that IMO he’s a really good player that’s more than just a deep threat, is well-built and physical and can break tackles at 200 lbs., and has some of the best ball tracking and hands in the entire class.
Schefter better watch out for his job security… 😂🤣
https://twitter.com/FrankCaliendo/status/1240057643449761794
Lol. Cabin fever starting to take effect everywhere…
https://twitter.com/JoeyMulinaro/status/1239955846026498049
https://twitter.com/CableThanos_/status/1239603896680497160
I’m staying 6′ from Patrick. PSA: Laughter is infectious.
All those Huskies fans calling for us to sign him gonna be mad when they see this amount…
Garafolo also suggests that the Seahawks’ current offer “could” end up being his best one. The Giants and Colts have both been linked to Clowney, but they’ve since acquired edge rushers and are now less likely to give Clowney the mega deal he’s looking for coming off an injury-plagued 2019 season. Clowney has previously told Seahawks GM John Schneider that he “loves” playing in Seattle and is open to re-signing. That just may be what happens.
I’m sure we made a decent offer to him. Hopefully it is enough that he says yes to it.
Listened to John Clayton last night on 710 and he seemed quite optimistic that Clowney would stay in Seattle, and for about $18M per season. He said that the other 4-3 teams who would value Clowney as a DE have already made their moves, with the exceptions of Washington, Carolina, and Dallas. He seemed to be saying that Clowney’s market isn’t as hot as expected. Hoping I heard him right and that the Hawks get this done soon.
The same Clayton who was telling us last week increasingly it looked like he’d be off on a mega contract.
Ol’ John is not a player evaluator, or a good prognosticator. But he does have the connections that suggest that his assessments of what is happening in a given moment can be pretty good. We’ll see.
Clowney at $18 mil is pretty much a no brainer, IMO…
Does he?
I’ve no issue with Clayton. He’s a treasure and still entertaining to listen to IMO.
But last week he was one of many in the media making it seem like Clowney was off for big money. On this site, we just said, ‘let’s wait and see’.
I wish we could have less guessing, more reporting otherwise let’s just wait.
I dunno, but I’m combining reports that the Hawks and Clowney are now talking with Clayton’s connections to the Hawks to hope that he’s on to something here.
And then again, it could just be free agent rosterbation on my part, too. But I do think we’ll find out pretty soon, one way or another. So there’s that.
I agree. I think Clayton is probably right. But he’s right to the extent he’s relaying the reports on twitter. Last week he and many others kept saying over and over again (and they were saying it yesterday too) — ‘oh he’ll get a massive offer I think he’s off’.
Again — report don’t speculate. Otherwise just wait and see.
To be fair, he wasn’t reporting. He was a guest on someone else’s show and was asked for his thoughts on the situation.
I know — maybe I’m not making myself clear here.
The Seattle media has spent the last seven days saying it was looking likely Clowney would be off. Now, after two quiet days of FA and one tweet by Mike Garafolo, they’re saying the opposite.
Guessing isn’t good. The speculation last week was tiresome and looks even worse now.
I think we show on here — you don’t need to commit to a guess to provide interesting content.
No offense to Clayton, but his track record is VERY spotty. That being said, I wouldn’t be shocked if Clowney stays, but I think it will be closer $20M per. Similar to Buckner.
Could also be a factor that other teams haven’t made an offer because they haven’t been able to do a physical? They will want their own medical staff to be able to look at Clowney coming off another surgery, I imagine.
That’s not a bad thought Sea Mode.
I don’t know how agents are navigating this, but if they’re smart they’d figure out some way around that. Have him do a physical with a well respected doctor in his local area and send a detailed report to the team. Or have a live Zoom physical or something like that.
Offtopic, but please don’t use Zoom, that software is not good. There are ton of better alternatives (won’t tell exacts as I work on one of those :D). They also left a major vulnerability in their software which allowed remote execution, which is not good
Teams who are serious about obtaining him could still make an offer subject to passing a physical. That happens all the time.
I think the bottom line is his market isn’t as hot as he and a bunch of talking heads said it would be.
Danny Shelton to the Lions for two years 8M.
Wanted him as a a Woods replacement
I could be way off on this, but I just get a strong feeling that Pete will be salivating over the unreal explosiveness of Dillon at his size, in place of Akers in round 3. One could very well argue that they haven’t drafted a back of his size, but I would counter that there simply haven’t been backs of his size combined with his extreme explosive measurements.
I also keep coming back to their tendency to draft unique traits, and I would say this qualifies.
Can’t see it.
I think they’re going to be impressed by Akers’ ‘pissed off for greatness,’ speed/explosiveness/physicality and strong season playing for an underwhelming Florida St.
Love Akers, and might be more realistic than CEH, given other priorities (pending other moves prior to the draft).
Some thoughts on draft and free agency.
Early picks 1-2RD. I think the first three picks are OT, DL, and WR.
If Wilson is there at 27, I can’t see how they pass. Beyond that, Wanogho or Niang. I think they select a clear OT prospect not an OG.
Of the DL, I think Okwara or Zuniga at EDGE. At DT, Davis if he falls.
At WR, so many options. If they last: Aiyuk, Raegor, or Hamler. A bit later, I like what I see of Devin Duvernay, but will need to be developed.
The S are the wildcards, depending on how far they fall, they might take a shot at Delpit, Dugger, or Chinn. Only if best player on board.
Free agency. I think they are going to sign Clowney, but that is all for big DL moves. Clowney will start LEO and Rasheem Green 5T. Inside, Poona 1T and Reed 3T. Backups are draft or low cost FA. That may disappoint, but I think they are banking player development.
I’m near 100% sure Okwara won’t be there at the end of R2. Other than that, I’m with you.
I’d be ecstatic with a Wilson – Zuniga/Davis – Duvernay R1, R2
If they add 2 pieces to the DL (Clowney and Griffen or Fowler), get maybe Cushenberry or someone similar for C at R3, get an Rb at R4 we’re golden.
Brown – Jones – rookie C/new dude who forgot to snap in time/Hunt/re-structured Britt – Fluker/Haynes – Wilson
Clowney – Reed – Ford/Green/Collier – Fowler/Griffen/Zuniga and on some rush downs maybe Folwer/Griffen – Clowney – Reed – Zuniga
Lockett – DK – Duvernay
I’d love that lineup
Rob do you think he’d be a good reclamation project for the Hawks?
He’s made his money
PC loves chances to work with guys like this
He could want one more shot at a SB
Hawks need experience at CB
He would be a good…I’m kidding…I can’t keep this charade up…I was just trying to see if you thought I was serious…sorry
lol, I was reading this like
huh?
what?
no
hell no
what the…
…oh, whew (relief)
I think his goose is cooked.
Pete normally does not normally sign veteran CB’s. The issue with them are that they are ingrained in their technique that it’s hard for them to pick up the kick step. For example, Seattle signed Cary Williams as a free agent and released him half way through the season. One of the reasons was he was not able to full get the kick step.
Usually, they will sign younger players if they would sign anyone.
*cough* read the whole post *cough*
Pete loves his reclamation projects; Rob what are the chances of Seattle going after Leonard Floyd? Do you see him as a fit in our scheme?
I think he’s an option.
But only as a reclamation project. No big money. No long term investment. He’s shown nothing as a pass rusher.
Bruce Irvin is still unemployed.
Really hoping we can sign: Clowney, Fowler and Irvin.
I think Clowney and Fowler for well under $30-34 mil APY is possible now and I was thinking it would be closer to $40 Mil APY a couple of weeks ago. Come on JS make this happen.
I really-really-really-really doubt it.
The well under to me means that they’d sign for like 25m APY? That is 12,5m APY on avg.
10m APY for Fowler and 15m APY for Clowney? That is simply not possible.
I think they might have a chance to sign those two for 37m APY (like 19,5m APY and 17,5m APY), I thought those two would be 41m or so (23 and 18m APY).
But I will dance my victory dance if by some miracle they’d be that cheap
In my opinion:
All the news right now (that is readily available) is pointing to Clowney resigning here on a 2-3 year deal.
But that’s just how I’m viewing it.
I hope its 4-5 years.
If he’s not getting what he thinks he should, I could see him going for a shorter, more guaranteed contract that will put him back into FA’cy sooner rather than later.
I’d take a 2 year deal. Maybe add a mutual option clause for a 3rd year so if he gets hurt again or something he can keep his salary and we can hold onto him.
Say, something like 3-yr contract for $55Mil, $38-40M guaranteed for the first 2 years and the 3rd for injury only? Just guessing
3 year deal would be perfect. Maybe something like Wagners. 3 years $54 million. He would probably want two years as that still gets him to free agency in his 20’s (29 instead of 30)
Rob, where do you rank Jordan Jenkins among LEO candidates? I didn’t know he was a FA until Greg brought him up, and I really like the idea of adding him as the 3rd/4th guy behind Clowney, and say Griffen. I think him and Green would make a nice backup 5T and LEO. Thoughts?
I liked him at Georgia. Not twitchy. Not an answer really but wouldn’t be awful as a fourth wheel.
Can you expand a little on the “not twitchy”? 1.58 10 yrd split. Not the best athlete but its less of a factor if he’s and End instead of an OLB. Sacks gone up every year. I like him as a fall back
Twitchy means athletic and quick.
Nice ten yard but crap at everything else isn’t twitch.
According to Corbin Smith the Seahawks have made contact with Everson Griffin’s camp! Let’s get this done
Man, I wudda loved for JSPC to be involved in this opp too:
Denver Broncos acquire DL Jerrell Casey from Tennessee Titans for Day 3 draft pick
March 18 | Mike Kils reports that the Denver Broncos are acquiring five time Pro Bowler DL Jurrell Casey from Tennessee for pick number 237 in the 2020 draft, which was acquired from New England last season in the Duke Dawson trade. The 30-year old Casey has played 14 or more games each season since signing with the Titans in 2011.
He’s on only 11-13m apy for next 2 yrs and is so great creating inside pressure …
Good deal for broncos, but i wouldn’t be pumped about putting him in the payroll here
I’ve always thought Casey was really underrated
Average 5 sacks a season and almost immovable in the middle……..
$11-$13M is quite a bit when we just gave Reed that amount. You could probably sign someone like Dontari Poe or Marcel Darius AND our RT for that amount.
Based on what Pete said, the priority is: Clowney -> LEO -> RT
Those 3 alone are going to be costly. I doubt we’re in the market for anyone other than Clowney at over $11M
There was also the report that came out about them trying to trade him at the draft last year and not getting what they wanted. Then Hopkins has a great season and is asking for a new contract for top money – wonder what his trade market really was? How many teams were willing to give up an asset + a player + pay Hopkins that much money?
Might explain the trade more and again really sheds light on the fact that O’Brien shouldn’t have all that power! They backed themselves into a corner again and were stuck with limited offers. That team really needs to have someone in charge of personell that doesn’t answer to O’Brien…
Here we go, boys…
I’m not following. Has he NOT been actively exploring the market until now?
Is this a shot across Minnesota’s bow that they’re not offering enough?
IMO of course he has. But this is for all those MIN fans and front office who were talking about how they’re so sure he would come back to them, how he would never go anywhere else because he feels so supported, etc.
Pay up.
QB Trade!
Good move for them. They need to separate from Mitch
I would love to see the money situation on this one. How much the Jags are eating. They are cleaning house. Wonder how long it is until Ngakoue is dealt? Maybe closer to the draft on him?
Jags already with $34 million in dead money in 2020.
Looks like about a three year $56 million deal for the Bears with no dead money if they want to release him at any time. $15.6 million in 2020.
I really like Foles and hope that this time it works out for him. Wouldn’t want to be Trubisky at this moment…
WOW. That is nuts! JAX eats $18.75M in dead cap for this.
They paid him about $10M per game from the looks of it and he had fewer TD passes than games played. lol
Get some Gardner!
Coupe of thoughts
1. What is the chance of Clowney and another DE like Griffin /Fowler/Ngakoue being worked together, announced around the same time
2. Ifedi – no whispers at all. Will Hawks take advantage and sign him to a cheap deal?
That is my best case scenario, still a chance at least? Fowler out, but Griffin and Ngakoue give some hope. Clowney plus one and resign Ifedi plus a hedge signing at RB and the draft could be wide open.
We need to add a RT too, even as just a draft hedge.
***ALERT ALERT***
YAnnick NGAKOUE posted an IG story with Seatac airport chairs + carpet… indicating he is in SEATTLE!
Well attach that link so we can see it.
I don’t even know what an Instagram story is.
But I do know the NFL has banned team visits.
It could be a fake story. Otherwise Yannick could have posted an old photo in Seatac Airport to tell people he coming to Seattle.
time will tell
Well I dont know why he would decide to post a fake pitcture of him at an Airport, would make no sense. It looks like Seatac tho for sure.
Banned free agent visits.
Yannick is not a free agent. If he happens to travel to Seattle and get in touch with his good friends PCJS, nothing stopping him.
Going to Seattle for a physical to complete the trade deal.
The NFL isn’t even allowing staff to attend facilities.
No, he is not permitted to travel.
And if he has it’s a frigging disgrace.
+1
This one?
https://www.instagram.com/p/B9AlzcgpLVy/?hl=en
Still not finding the pictures. Could somebody link it?
https://imgur.com/a/fvDVx4m
I’m not from the US, so I have no idea where this could be
We’ve reached peak off-season.
LOL
Oh my yes
I’m from Seattle, and travel regularly from Sea-Tac. That looks an awful lot like Seattle’s airport.
If he’s there, what is he doing?!?
Travelling to the state with major caronavirus problems.
They’re just about to shut London for two weeks.
But it’s a carpet square, Rob!
A CARPET SQUARE
Fair warning – it is the mental midget of the Hawkblogger crew that is running with this…
To be fair, it 100% looks like Seatac. Maybe he is just visiting Seattle for other reasons lol.
Oh I’m not necessarily saying he is wrong, but he acts like a 12 year old so I’m just saying take it with a grain of salt, lol.
Not going to argue with you there. All those guys suck lol.
With all due respect, you guys are taking a joke tweet seriously. Or you’re so deep into the joke the humor isn’t coming across.
This is just a stupid fun thing Cable_Thanos and others do. Photoshop a guy at SeaTac. Would Ngakoue walk through SeaTac in a Jags jersey and a helmet? C’mon.
https://twitter.com/CableThanos_/status/1166424366445236224
https://twitter.com/DevinHomegrin/status/1235697073560760320
Dude…there’s a difference between a meme of Yannick in his uniform at the airport and saying “my friend works for TSA and he is definitely here.”
The fact I’m able to put together a coherent sentence should grant me the grace of knowing that memes are jokes.
No one is talking about a joke tweet.
Yannick posted a picture from seatac airport (or what looks to be seatac) on his IG story.
Im gonna use the above link:
https://imgur.com/a/fvDVx4m
He might not be meeting with the team because its “not allowed” but he could be buying real estate or something else who knows. But this is not Joke.
if you would have actually looked at what was being said, you would know that what you referenced is not what has being talked about. So before you go throwing around derogatory statements like this, get the facts straight. SMH
My bad. I looked at that certain person’s twitter timeline and that’s all I saw.
What a fun, zany crew.
Good move by LAC. Hoped that he’d be here. But the possibility of Yannick and Clowney both being signed is the best news yet. The combo of a “True Leo” and the “Ideal 5-tech” being paired together would be fantastic.
Hopefully, it’s for the latter 2nd Rd & 27th for 42nd & Yannick.
IMO a 27 yo Reed is >> than a 31 yo (32 during the season) Joseph. And we paid about $5M less for Reed.
I’m pretty happy with that.
Was hoping for both, not one or the other, to be the starting DTs. Both could have been interchangeable @ the 1-tech & 3-tech positions, providing inside push.
And we paid about $5M “MORE” for Reed.
It’s less than $5m. There are incentives in Joseph’s contract. But Reed is worth more anyway.
I know this is completely stupid, but it’d pain me to see the Niners draft both Lamb & Raekwon before we even get a pick.
Think happy thoughts… (they might be forced to trade down with no picks after those until R5)
Another option off the market! Hope we do something soon, don’t want to be the last one standing when the music stops!
The ugly bird.
3/$48m
Good for him. He’s been linked with Atlanta for a while.
Fowler to Atlanta. I hope we have a chair left when the music stops.
I have a strong feeling we will land either Griffen or Yannick one Clowney gets sorted out.
We definitely will.
Comp. picks are important to JS.
I can’t remember a single name of those comp. pick actually made the team.
Malcolm Smith, Mark Glowinski, Alex Collins, Joey Hunt were comp picks.
Good price for Fowler and he gets to test the market again well before he’s 30. Damn. Clowney, let’s go buddy!
Still hoping for Clowney, Griffen, Jenkins and Ifedi if there’s enough to go around.
If Clowney leaves, I hope they sing Greg the Leg to replace Myers.
0% chance
Everyone keeps talking about keeping Ifedi. Let me just this: Every mediocre, backup or aging tackle has been snatched up and handed decent money or better. Ifedi hasn’t generated a peep. Is it possible that the league wants berg little to do with this guy? My point a couple of weeks ago was his best two qualities in his Seahawks tenure was his availability and his low cost. If he’s expensive he’s just a weight around a team’s ankles. I don’t think he’s great as a run blocker or a pass blocker, and the penalties man. Always drive killers. If he wants to make league minimum, fine. Buy some time for a young guy to develop. I just don’t know if he’s worth hanging on to.
Am I alone in being concerned about Griffen’s age?
It is a risk for sure but plenty of guys keep it going into their 30’s.
Damn. Leonard Floyd to the Rams. Stinks.
Rams grab Floyd
Wow. Seems like a reach.
Big reach, looks like a panic move really.
Means they know they aren’t re-signing Fowler.
Fowler already agreed with ATL. He gone.
Pretty interesting how a team like the Rams, who started out with very little cap room, just made a $10m/yr free agent splash. Maybe a panic move, or maybe not, but they managed to free up enough space to make this move. Just goes to show teams can pretty much do whatever they want within the rules of the cap.
Free Game Pass for everyone!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001106855/article/nfl-offers-fans-free-access-to-nfl-game-pass
(Honestly, I was waiting for Netflix to do this…)
Love me some Game Pass. Re-watch at least 3-4 games a week.
Awesome.
I was watching youtube full games posted by the NFL and “live texting” a friend who was also watching at his house simultaneously.
Gotta find a way to beat cabin fever.
Sweet. Try and pull up some Steelers games with BJ Finney in.
Sounds like most players want short deals to dip back into the pot after TV deals kick in. Sounds smart atm.
Probably smart. Especially if you can go back into free agency under 30.
They might as well just say that free agency starts when the tampering window opens and that the tampering window starts at the combine. Most deals are reported before the actual free agency opens.
As exciting as it was on Monday, its a morgue now.
Well so much for the Hawks aggressively fixing the DL at least via free agency.
The only options left on the board are Clowney and Griffen. Then I guess there is the trade market but very disappointing so far. Instead of getting better we have gotten worse with the loss of Jefferson.
Chill out mate.
Yannick is in Seattle. Signs point to clowned resigning.
Just watched Mike Garafolo say on NFL Network Jadeveon Clowney has been hoping for Mack/Aaron Donald type money and Seattle’s offer has been “on that next tier below” that. Says Clowney may have to accept that it might be the best offer he’s going to get.
Either that, or he has a bigger offer from someone else and has given the Hawks until the opening of FA to see if they want to match?
I would be shocked if he got Mack/Donald $. I really hope the Hawks get it done because their options are really limited now. Was really hoping they would not have to trade away draft capital to fix the DL but it is looking more and more likely.
Nah, I think they’re in a good position. They’ve likely made their offer and will stick to it unless forced to match another team’s offer. I have a feeling we’ll find out very very soon…
Chill out and read a mid-free agency mock draft!! Almost time for another “official start of new league year mock draft”!!
They can still be aggressive.
People need to chill. As I’ve kept saying, analyse when they’ve finished not just started.
But but but…
That’s not how the internet works!
Per his ig Yannick is IN Seattle today.
Also, he tweeted a ⌛️ Emoji.
Sounds like something could possibly happen there.
And reports that the market is cold for clowney is GOOD for Seattle .
“Mike Garafolo just said on NFL Network Jadeveon Clowney has been hoping for Mack/Aaron Donald type money and Seattle’s offer has been “on that next tier below” that. Says Clowney may have to accept that may be the best offer he’s going to get.” – Bob Condotta.
Mack – $23.5M APY
Donald – $22.5M APY
He tossed out the number of $21m.
Could be that he’s looking to match what Buckner got.
I’m sure he is. He may not “set the market”, but he’s going to get PAID.
So earlier this year I stumped for a trade for Akiem Hicks because the Bears were in cap jail and Hicks has been hurt this year.
The Bears have only dug theirself deeper into the hole this offseason. They’re back to being over the cap for 2020.
I wonder if a mid-round pick can get it done. He’s got about 2yrs/$20m left on his deal since the Bears would have to eat his bonus proration.
What do we think?
They need edge rushers.
5 more minutes… get ‘er done, JS!
Which is better:
Griffen for $8-10MM
Or Yannick for $17MM and R2
Yannick, IMO. Young player reaching his prime and griffin may only be a one year fix.
Both. Why not.
Yannick is 8 years younger so I’ll go with him, I’d even pay more in cap and picks.
I like Griffen,have all along, pair him with a rookie edge and Clowney, and a bonus of protecting a 4th round comp in 2021 for Ifedi,(also same with any trade)
Too much talent in the first 3 rounds for me to be overly comfortable giving up a R2 for Yannick. Maybe if he were a more complete player and not a liability against the run, but as things are, I’ll take Griffen.
Unproven talent. The draft is way too overvalued. How many Round 2 picks from this year are going to turn out like Yannick Ngakoue? One or two at most? Maybe zero? Unfortunately, either zero, one or two probably have the best odds of being the correct answer to that question.
I’ll take the unproven, but significant, talent at 10th the cost of a proven and useful, but ultimately one-dimensional, Ngakoue. The cost differential is just too much in my opinion for what his role and limitations would be.
I would give Griffen the same deal we gave Reed.
Ok sounds like yannick is not actually in Seattle right now, but he posted a pic of the airport
I wouldn’t think Griffen would take less than Floyd
What is the expected cost trade for and extend Yannick? A 2nd or 3rd seems reasonable given what HOU got for Clowney in a very similar situation. But would there be any reason to expect him to take less than Clowney contract wise? I feel like he would want something in the same ballpark.
I’m not sure is a similar situation because in this case Bill “fleeced” O’Brien isnt involved.
Well, tbf the Jags did just give away Calais for a R5…
Calias is also old as hell and was getting paid by them and they wanted to get under the cap.
Obviously you’d want to give up the least that you can to obtain Ngakoue. But I wouldn’t bat an eyelash on a 2nd round pick. You resign Clowney and obtain Ngakoue you’re suddenly steamrolling to making this team better.
Not exactly. He wanted to go to one team only and the Jags accommodated him, as a kind of payment for years of good service to their team.
I really like what Denver has done so far. They add Bouye, Jurrell Casey to an already good defense. Should get a fully healthy Bradley Chubb back. Grab an O-lineman and add another weapon for Drew Lock to go w/ Courtland Sutton? They could end up being a surprise team and making some noise.
Casey has been a favorite of mine since he was at USC. He’s a very good player.
Denver also grabbed Glasgow.
I like some of what Denver, Las Vegas, LAC and Buffalo did.
Josina Anderson.
Do you think she has the words ‘on the phone with…’ copied into her notes folder so she can start every tweet with it?
Don’t forget ‘Just got off the phone with…’
Ugh. She’s the equivalent of the worst name dropper you’ve ever met at a party.
‘I just got off the phone with X… he says he’s really happy to join a new team and can’t wait to get started’
(but the most important thing is you know he spoke to ME on the phone. ME. Josina Anderson. ME.)
+1 so annoying
Call me crazy but…
No team is going to pay an aging rush end who’s coming off a 3 sack season top top dollar.
I know in some ways he’s statistically elite in terms of disruption.
But teams are going to see 3 sacks and his injury history and he hesitant to shell out a mega contract.
Ageing? He just turned 27.
But just last year he was 26!
Lol!
Here’s the segment: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1240386178282643461
I’ve been roasted on this blog whenever I bring up concerns about Clowney’s health. He simply does have concerns about this issue. We know him better than every other team besides maybe Houston though. We haven’t signed him yet even though it seems like nobody has taken interest. Why would the best D lineman on the market not get signed yet when the draft is a piss-poor DE draft?
I still want Clowney bad. On our team in particular he is invaluable so to speak.
Hahahaha! At least he’s a good sport about it!
https://twitter.com/JoshMcCown12/status/1240305186536595456
haha, that’s pretty funny right there!
Rams are giving Andrew Whitorth a 3 year contract where he makes more than 10 million a year.
Wow seems expensive for a 38 year old.
3 more years for Witworth?! For a 38 year old!
Probably just so they can spread the signing bonus over 3 years instead of one and keep his cap number down.
Im sure that is exactly what it is. Can see that dude playing another 3 years.
I just hope Clowney doesn’t diva this process up too long. Props to the Hawks for getting some other valuable things done in the meantime.
He’s back.
It’s a good signing, although doesn’t move the needle a whole lot. Much, much more is still needed!
Bruuuce! Doesnt move the needle much? He had 8 sacks last year. Green was our leader with a whopping 4!
I said it was a good signing! IMO, this is just a depth signing, not someone who’s going to be a 2-3 down player or likely a significant contributor.
Combine this addition with Clowney and Griffen/Ngakoue and now we’re getting somewhere. This entire offseason this blog has been continually talking about the need to add impact players, stars if you will, and Bruce just doesn’t fall into that category.
Makes sense if they plan to use him primarily as a 3rd down speed pass rusher. NOt sure he is a 3 down or even 2 down guy anymore.
I like it as he knows the system. He did have 8.5 sacks last year. If we add Jordan Jenkins (Or a guy like him) and resign Clowney now we are close to what I mentioned up above. Any new on what Bruce got in money? He maid $4 million last year.
The Space Cadet is back! But as it stands we’re still woefully weak on the d line.
Bruce Irvin back to the Hawks.
Good! I missed Bruce!
Bit of an insurance policy, it seems to me. No complaints.
Sweet!
Very underrated signing. He is one of those players that has insane athleticism and genetics. Welcome home Bruce:)
Hope not
I’ll always like Bruce.
But this is a ‘meh’ signing.
Agreed
I disagree
Meh, yeah…but if it isn’t for much moola and he can apply pressure during 3rd down passing situations, well, it beats what Shaquem was able to do bouncing off the rearends of the linemen, trying to get through to the QB. I am a big Shaquem fan, don’t get me wrong.
6-8 sack guy for 4 million? Sign me up.
In our system he’s the perfect 3rd down threat.
Even if he’s making less than 4 million this year, doesn’t this significantly lower the chance to sign clowney and ngakoue? I mean our cap space just keeps shrinking without a single big signing
Yes but they can always get more. This move almost feels like Ngakoue and Clowney being here might be possible shrinking.
I still think we bring in Ngakoue but the Jags might have better offers for him. I could easily see the NYG giving more for him.
No. Because as we’ve said all along — any big deals for multiple years can be structured to fit easily.
The Redskins, for all their misery, are rocking it in the PR department right now. Teams “not allowed” to officially announce signings? OK:
https://twitter.com/Redskins/status/1240390570696204288
wow
lol, another good one. Wonder if they are going to get in trouble for this…
I love it. Cheap, effective rotational pass rusher. Meh on it’s own but with Clowney and another, can be a very nice piece for very cheap
I agree! Welcome home, Bruce!!!!
Regarding Yannick-thats clearly SeaTac. Doesnt mean hes presently in Seattle, it could be an old pic. There’s no reason for him to post an old pic unless thats where he wants/will to go ATM.
Resign Clowney, trade for Yannick and sign for Bruce. Edge rush problem solved!
I would like that. ^^^
Even Griffen plus Bruce plus Clowney is a formidable pass rush.
If it’s Clowney, someone else, Bruce, and rookie? Great. Thats an improvement.
If it’s Clowney, Bruce, and rookie? That’s worrisome for me. Hope I’m dead a** wrong.
Bruce is a nice piece to add to the rotation who can play/fill a couple roles. Happy he’s back though.
Ooooohhhhhhmmmmmmmm. ooohhhhhhmmmmm…………..gooosfraaabahhhh
Lol! Goosefabah indeed!
Seahawks sign Brandon Shell, RT to 2 year $11 million contract. Looks like Ifedi is gone
Will be interesting to see Ifedi’s contract whenever he signs somewhere.
Because that’s a lot for Shell.
looks like they are scrimping and saving for something