Chris Mortensen put a few interesting tweets out there tonight. He’s a reliable enough source to sit up and take notice.
Is Chance Warmack a top-13 lock? Maybe so:
You can always hope, won’t happen RT @ejmac1073: @mortreport @brandongenson I hope Warmack falls to the #Panthers
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) April 21, 2013
On Ryan Nassib at #8:
Growing belief around NFL it’s Nassib or trade down if they can RT @sabrefan0412: ANY. Idea which way the Bills are leaning at 8 ???
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) April 21, 2013
Jacksonville going offensive tackle? Could still be an option:
As @movethesticks noted, lot of personnel chatter about Jags taking OT Eric Fisher w 2nd pick;…real or setting bait for a trade?
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) April 21, 2013
Ziggy Ansah at #5 sounds likely:
If no Fisher or Joeckel, probably Ansah or trade if they can RT @puremaize:What do u think the lions will do at pk 5. Trade down or stay?
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) April 21, 2013
Cardinals to go offensive line? Seems obvious:
I’d say yes on Johnson or CooperRT @brandongenson:are Cardinals going after Lane Johnson? And if he’s taken, is Warmack an option?
— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) April 21, 2013
The two big revelations come in the first two tweets. First, Warmack not being available at #14 is an eye opener. He’s good, don’t get me wrong. But if both he and Jonathan Cooper are expected to go early, where do they fit? I’m struggling to find two teams who might go guard in the top-13 before Carolina picks. Tennessee is one possible destination. Would the Jets do it? San Diego? Having assumed for a couple of weeks that Warmack might fall, it might be time to reconsider.
Secondly, Ryan Nassib at #8. It just seems too obvious. Miami re-connected a college coach with his quarterback at #8 last year. Will it happen again? I’m still sceptical. Yet it would be a very ‘Buffalo’ type move. And a mistake, in my opinion. Others are saying it’s a two-horse race between Nassib and Matt Barkley:
Nassib to the #Bills is the toast of draft rumor talk right now, but don’t forget about Barkley. They like him a lot, too. Two-horse race.
— Joe Buscaglia (@JoeBuscaglia) April 21, 2013
I think Warmack goes to ARI according to the tweet and now haveTEN taking Cooper. That’s 2 guards in the top 10 picks. Plus I have all 4 tackles gone in a mock. Crazy draft this year!
REVIS A BUCCANEER. TRADE DONE.
I hope the Cardinals take Warmack. Taking a guard at #6 with all of Arizona’s problems will be very kind to the rest of the NFC West.
He will help them in the long term. We drafted Carpenter in the first round. We’re ok, and Warmack is better IMO. Think it would be a solid move to help Carson Palmer and the run game.
Carp was the #25 pick, not the #6 pick. Guard is not the impact position would ideally target at that spot.
Yeah, ok. But this is the best G to come out in a 15 years according to some scouts. Carpenter was a mid round RT. Don’t get me wrong, I love Carp and all the guys. Just because it doesn’t usually happen, doesn’t meen it can’t.
Also an option for them to select Lane Johnson. My final mock may have him to ARI. Just not sure yet.
lol, that’s what they all say. They said that Decastro was the greatest guard prospect since Hutch. Not.
Warmack may have good core strength and technique, but I need to see more to pick a guard that high (versus other high value positions).
Every year the best guard seems to be rated as the next Hutch.
Who else would you rate him too?
Hard to say really. There are times he’s reminded me of an upgraded Ben Grubbs.
With a name like Christ Mortensen, how could he be wrong?
Well spotted…
Which dt do you think is the best run defender in the draft? and what are you thoughts on Brandon Williams at 56?
New Mock 1st round
1 CHIEFS JOECKEL, LUKE
2 JAGUARS FISHER, ERIC
3 RAIDERS FLOYD, SHARRIF
4 EAGLES JORDAN, DION
5 LIONS ANSAH, EZEKIEL
6 BROWNS MILLINER, DEE
7 CARDINALS WARMACK, CHANCE
8 BILLS AUSTIN, TAVON
9 JETS SMITH, GENO
10 TITANS COOPER, JONATHAN
11 CHARGERS JOHNSON, LANE
12 DOLPHINS FLUKER, D.J.
13 JETS MINGO, BARKEVIOUS
14 PANTHERS LOTULELEI, STAR
15 SAINTS VACCARO, KENNY
16 RAMS PATTERSON, CORDARRELLE
17 STEELERS JONES, JARVIS
18 COWBOYS RICHARDSON, SHELDON
19 GIANTS WERNER, BJOERN
20 BEARS BROWN, ARTHUR
21 BENGALS TE’O, MANTI
22 RAMS REID, ERIC
23 VIKINGS HANKINS, JOHNATHAN
24 COLTS JONES, DATONE
25 VIKINGS TRUFANT, DESMOND
26 PACKERS SCHWENKE, BRIAN
27 TEXANS HOPKINS, DEANDRE
28 BRONCOS OGLETREE, ALEC
29 PATRIOTS MOORE, DAMONTRE
30 FALCONS EIFERT, TYLER
31 49ERS ELAM, MATT
32 RAVENS CYPRIEN, JOHN
Latest Seahawks Choices:
Pick 56 Christine Michaels RB Texas A&M
Pick 87 Tyrann Mathieu CB LSU
Pick 127 Reid Fragel OT Ohio State
Pick 138 Kyle Juszczyk FB/TE Harvard
Pick 158 Aaron Melette WR Elon
Pick 194 Kwame Geathers DT Georgia
Pick 220 Cooper Taylor SS Richmond
Pick 231 Jayson DiManche OLB/DE N.Illinois
Pick 241 Jordan Campbell OLB New Mexico
Pick 242 Stephan Charles DT Regina
Pick 158 is the only prospect on your list I would want. Better players available.
I would hate that draft. 3rd string RB, 4th string CB, 4th string OT and, 3rd string TE at best.
I wouldn’t mind taking a RB in 5th rd, but our first pick should be at least backup that gets a lot of time (WLB/WR/DT).
2nd Hopkins/Patton (WR)
3rd Escobar (TE)
4th Hill (DT)
5th Lattimore (RB)
5th Gooden (WLB)
Yeah, no worries. Honestly, other than your first pick, my options are better for us IMO. I disagree on your TE choice of Escobar. Would go McDonald or Kelce. Jordan Hill wouldn’t exactly start right away at 3tech either. Lattimore will probably go on the PUP, plus both knees have know been severely injured. Gooden I wouldn’t mind taking there, but isn’t exactly a guarantee. Malcolm Smith may be just as talented, and already knows our system. Going back over my picks, IMO Christine Michaels is the best prospect at RB for the Seahawks, followed by Le’veon Bell and I think he would either back would come in and get 7-10 carries a game their rookie year. I see Turbin as the 3rd down guy, along with Harvin. Creating the dynamic backfield Carroll has always wanted. Mathieu would be the starting punt returner and also back up to ET and AW. Fragel could possibly start at RT, at least compete with Giacomini. Juszczyk possibly beats out Robinson, due to cap concerns. Although I hope not. He would be the H back as well as the Joker TE, this season. Aaron Mellette offers a big bodied receiver to take after Rice. Although if Aaron Dobson or Da’rick Rodgers is there, I take one of them instead. Geathers is a solid Red Bryant replacement of the future. Tyrann Mathieu, Cooper Taylor, Jayson DiManche, and Jordan Campbell improve our speed, playmaking ability, and nastiness on special teams, immediately. Stephan Charles could end up our 3 tech in a year. He is extremely athletically gifted.
Sorry for the typos.
I like your draft a lot, with this roster we need to draft with an eye on the future. I would not take mathieu thou.
That’s fair. Anybody like Darius Slay?
It’s weird to say this considering the ‘Hawks aren’t likely to be part of it; but this is going to be one of the most intiguing 1st rounds I’ve ever seen. Also I am SO glad the TV people finally got over themselves enough to stop ruining the surprise by showing who the pick is 5 minutes before it’s announced. Can’t wait for Thursday!
If Warmack (or Cooper) were to play out like Hutch did, then where would you draft them?
I know interior OL is not seen as a value early in most years but if they are PB’ers with 10 year careers and you need help inside it’s hard not to swallow the pill, you just do it. On the other hand coaches and GM’s are pressured to win now by fans who want the same. If I am a future Jet coach, or the like, I sure hope they take both of the above before I get there.
I think it depends on the context of the entire roster. For example, Seattle got Hutch in the mid first round the year they got Hasselbeck, having already drafted Walter Jones and Shaun Alexander. It was part of a broader plan. If I’m a franchise with no long term plan at quarterback, no left tackle, no defensive core (or a combination of factors) then I can’t make this move. A crappy team with a good guard is still a crappy team. You’re essentially delaying the inevitable — in needing to identify key players at the premium positions. And teams like NYJ, Arizona, Philly etc should be able to go and get premium talent at other positions. If Arizona drafts Warmack, they better find a left tackle in round two.
Well you know me, I draft from the ground up. Solid foundations in the trenches is a premium. But I can’t get fired, I’m like an owner,,,,neener neener!
Seriously, I get the point about addressing the bigger picture and context on the whole. It seems prudent. As to the Cards I hope they do that because I picked up Mendenhall as a RB2 in FF. 🙂
Heres another late rounder to “ponder” , yuk yuk.
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/22/5361008/n-iowa-player-turns-scouts-heads.html#mi_rss=Wire%20NFL
Another way to think about is that as soon as you are successful, your team will only be drafting towards the end of each round. From that position, only players that are “damaged” goods are available to be selected, at least in the cornerstone positions like QB, LT, CB, DE, and some DT. But you can still find exceptional talent in other supporting role areas like LB, G, C, RB, WR. Truly outstanding talent will rise higher regardless of position but if you are building a team from scratch, start with an offensive foundation like LT or QB or a defensive foundation of shutdown CB or game changing DL.
pretty much this. It’s nice to build from the trenches and all, but you’re seriously doing yourself a disfavor if you get the top prospects at the lower value positions in future drafts when you’re better and hence drafting later. LTs, QBs, Top DT/DE are usually only available in the top 10 or so. If you improve yourself out of that positioning, it’ll be really difficult to get a top prospect at those premium positions.
WE went for an offensive line in 2011. We had Okung LOT, Max Unger C, then we drafted Carpenter to play ROT in the 1st and 3rd with Moffit. The longer a line is together the better they become usually. Sweezy reminds me of Chris Gray, they tried always to replace that guy.
I have based my entire OL story around this point (OL gel time).
Percy for #25 is not damaged goods and RW was a third rounder so theres that and oh yeah Lynch and Rice, Miller and those premium high draft pick corners. Ok, I’ll give you Thomas and sort of Wagner, but Irvin? Not yet.
I understand the fascination with the first round guys in general but this team is a contender and was NOT built on premium high round guys, was it!
To be quite honest I’m waiting on Irving. Avirl I think is a proven LEO that’s why we got him for 2 years 7.5 million no gimack there. Irving will have to work hard this year.
The reason why I put quotes around “damage” is because to get to pick 25, you have to be passed over by 24 smart, driven GMs who know that their job may depend on the picks they make. With that in mind, there is some reason they are being passed over, hence the “damaged”. In actuality, this Seahawks front office has found 4 starters per year in the draft by being smart in some cases, by being taking risks in others, and by being ahead of the curb on drafting taller DBs and a unique QB.