This wasn’t the start to the combine we were looking for…
#OSU OL Billy Price suffered an apparent chest or shoulder injury during his bench press at the Combine. Not good. pic.twitter.com/mkieyY9E0Y
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 1, 2018
Price, the highly talented interior offensive linemen, was expected to have a great workout. It remains to be seen whether he’ll do anything on Friday. Hopefully this isn’t a serious injury.
It does beg the question (again) — why is the bench press still used to determine power? Multiple reps of an achievable weight is really a test of strength/stamina. And if you weigh +300lbs, it’s a lot easier to bench 225lbs than it is if you’re a 210lbs receiver, so ‘one weight for all’ is also a little bit off.
They use the powerball toss in SPARQ. I’m not sure why they aren’t doing it at the combine too:
Billy Price isn’t injuring his shoulder doing the Powerball toss and it’s a better measure of explosive power. The Powerball also takes away the disadvantage players with longer arms experience.
Isaiah Wynn isn’t working out at the combine as he recovers from a torn labrum. Now Price might be out too. Not a good start.
In terms of the bench results, they’re starting to come in. For the purposes of TEF, 27 reps is the ideal mark you want to hit:
Braden Smith — 35 reps
Connor Williams — 26 reps
Frank Ragnow — 26 reps
Quenton Nelson — 35 reps
Kolton Miller — 24 reps
Chukwuma Okorafor — 19 reps
Orlando Brown — 14 reps
Will Hernandez — 37 reps
Mason Cole — 23 reps
Austin Corbett — 19 reps
Tyrell Crosby — 17 reps
James Daniels — 21 reps
Mike McGlinchey — 27 reps
Brian O’Neill — 22 reps
Wyatt Teller — 30 reps
Auburn guard Braden Smith is set up to have a big combine performance that could really bolster his stock. 35 reps on the bench press is a good start.
Orlando Brown only managed 14 reps but he has 35 inch arms. Again, this is the problem with the bench press. Brown might be able to do a heavier one-rep bench than some of the other O-liners in this draft. Yet he’s at a disadvantage in this test because he has to do more work with longer arms.
Will Hernandez is meeting with the Seahawks today:
UTEP OL Will Hernandez said he has a formal meeting tonight with Seahawks. Could be an option at 18.
— Bob Condotta (@bcondotta) March 1, 2018
The running backs also took part in the bench press:
Saquon Barkley — 29 reps
Nick Chubb — 29 reps
Kalen Ballage — 15 reps
Lavon Coleman — 23 reps
Josh Adams — 18 reps
Royce Freeman — 17 reps
Derrius Guice — 15 reps
Ronald Jones II — DNP
Rashaad Penny — 13 reps
Sony Michel — 22 reps
Bo Scarborough — 14 reps
Akrum Wadley — 12 reps
Mark Walton — 18 reps
Kamryn Pettway — 22 reps
Chris Warren — 25 reps
Jordan Wilkins — 16 reps
Darrel Williams — 22 reps
John Kelly — 15 reps
Kerryon Johnson — 11 reps
Nick Chubbs’ combine is off to a great start.
A quick further note on the running back bench numbers. Remember, these RB’s weigh a lot less than the offensive linemen. For Kerryon Johnson to bench 11 reps of 225lbs despite weighing only 213lbs — that’s actually pretty impressive. More so than 20 reps of 225lbs if you weigh over 300lbs.
It’s very difficult to bench your own weight. None of the offensive linemen weigh 225lbs. It’s a much easier test for them.
Chubb and Barkley’s attempts are frankly astonishing and none of the players above had a poor performance.
Pete Carroll also spoke to the media today:
Pete Carroll is at the podium to discuss our offseason and the @NFL Combine. #GoHawks https://t.co/csjN9B39QE
— Seattle Seahawks (@Seahawks) March 1, 2018
Pete didn’t give any significant info other than he expressed his love for Chris Carson and are excited for him next year, have plans for Fant but waiting for him to get up to speed, hopefully OTAs and Russ needs to hit to right field and still can’t hit the curve. Really his vague usual self on everything else.
Yeah, wasn’t much info here.
Lsu’s Derrius Guice…..nuff said. I said it about OBJ! I said it about Jarvis Landry! I said it about Fournette. I said it about Spencer Ware. I we pass on Guice, then that’ll just be one more to add to the pile.
They’re going silent. Didn’t have much of a contingent at the SR. bowl either.
This is by far going to be the most interesting off-season.
By far.
Parsing Pete I’d say the biggest takeaways I had were…
– Schotty is here for Russ
– Solari’s o liner not much different from Cable’s
– All options on table for Earl and Sherm
– Kam and Avril gonna compete until the end
– Brown is leader of o line
– Ken Norton brings bad cop back to defense
– Carson in mix for RB1
– Fant in mix for starting OL
– Team is turning but not ripping to studs
– Malik will never play a down in the NFL
“Malik will never play a down in the NFL”
I missed it. What did he say that leads you to think that?
That’s sick!
He just said that they have nothing to report on McDowell, implying nothing has changed. Feels pretty cryptic.
Gregg Bell (@gbellseattle)
Pete Carroll: “Nothing new” on Malik McDowell. #Seahawks get medical information, updates on him “rarely.”
9:24 AM Mar 1 2018
What leads me to believe and say that he won’t play a down in the NFL are the lack of information coming from Malik’s side, the lack of transparency coming from the Seahawks side, and that throughout all this he’s regressed physically. He’s technically still on the roster but as far as I’m concerned he’s not even a player on this team.
I don’t know any more than anyone else, but I thought it was clear from their comments last season they don’t expect Malik to play. At all.
I’m not ready to say that for sure he won’t ever play, but it does sound a bit discouraging. We’ve heard Pete a couple of times say they don’t get much information from McDowell’s camp. That doesn’t sound good.
They blew it on Malik not because he was a foolish kid and was riding an ATV without a helmet. Charles Darwin has a great read it’s called “The Theory of Evolution” I’m sure most of you have heard of. It’s because the guy is a jerk. Granted I do not know him personally and he may be a decent human being, however how he treated those cops in Atlanta repeatedly calling the Lady Officer a Bitch and telling them he makes more money in a year from his job then they will ever make protecting the citizens of the U.S. is disgusting behaviour and quite frankly I’m surprised more people haven’t brought this to conversation on this fine blog.
There’s a part of me that hopes he doesn’t play again. Maybe he just needs to feel Loved and his true self will emerge. I don’t know I’ve already judged him too much. It’s more important that he becomes a decent person then it is playing for our entertainment!
That is definitely immature and stupid behavior. Unfortunately I think there needs to be a national program to tell/teach kids how to act around police. Basically they need to know the rules – and those rules can vary depending on what neighborhood you are in and whether it is daylight or nighttime.
Stop it dude. Just stop. Watch the video of Malik that night… and stop. Malik is the one at fault and he rightfully and with respect to him, accepted responsibility for his actions. Had nothing to do with the police.
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Should’ve not brought him or Boykin here.
Dont forget head injuries particarly major ones can cause aberrant behavior. If he is acting differently it may be due to the injury not because he is a horrible person
Thanks for bringing that up Christian, you have a excellent point. As I stated I really don’t know who Malik is as a person? I assume he was drunk and he was definitely upset and everyone says or think’s thoughts in that state of mind that is not a true representation of who they truly are.
Compound that with the Head injury which I wasn’t taking into account abd he may of just snapped. Thanks for bringing that to light. I don’t enjoy judging people however he was very mean spirited regardless.
he cannot say much, the injury did not happen in NFL and there are legal restrictions on what he can say.
that said, Malik has posted recently on Instagram that he has started to work out again just recently.
WAY TOO EARLY to say he is done, and as long as he is on NFI, not costing the Hawks much. They are going to get rid of a 21 year old after 1 year of not playing.
Of Carson is in the mix for rb 1 does the team even consider rb early at all? Or does a player like Kelly in the 4th become the only pick?
Man I hope not. I love Carson but he never was a work horse in his tests at college, looked winded time to time last year and now coming back from a big time injury……plus with the talent level of this class…..
Guice
Rob, is Russia seriously going to let people use coke, heroin, and weed with the ‘proper paperwork’ at the FIFA World Cup this year?
They want people dying?
* not use. Bring. Although we know damn well they will use
I’ve no idea — where’s that being reported!?!
Newsweek.com
Isn’t Newsweek the one that’s bankrupt? The Mag that hasn’t paid rent and getting evicted?
No idea. SI and Yahoo are also running with this too.
Newsweek is no longer a print magazine. Today it is just a blog. The Washington Post sold the brand several years ago for $1.
What’s the difference with NFL fans getting paralytic tailgating?
take all the anti – Russian stuff with a grain of salt.
It is getting to be too much, especially with the Olympic BS. The US Olympic committee covered up hundreds of failed tests and show athletes how to beat the test. In 1988 19 US athletes won medals after failing US drug tests. It was widely reported in US, UK, Australian newspapers, etc, but now just the Russians cheat. Almost all athletes cheat. Google Victor Conte or watch some of his interviews on youtube, he has some great stuff on PED’s, unless you don’t want to know how bad it really is. and btw, I have studied PED’s for 35 years and this guy has legit info.
Oh, dude, I couldn’t be more with you. Doping is hilariously rife across all professional sports. Most leagues turn a blind eye because it’s not worth the trouble. It really is remarkable how certain athletes are able to hit new heights in their mid to late 30s, bit of yoga and clean eating does amazing things to the body.
check out the Victor Conte videos, they are amazing. He comes clean about Balco, pretty credible, has a LOT of great stories. He also has a god appearance on Joe Rogan, over 2 hours.
He does mention that the steroid era started in the 50’s with a US weight lifting coach who got it from the Russians. This whole thing about steroids being new is a joke. My dad was a world class wrestler and runner in the 50-60’s, he said there were always rumors of guys using something back then. I think the Steelers of the 70’s probably had the best PED’s of their era and were ahead of the curve. Now, everyone is equally guilty. But I do wonder about the guy from TB12, way too suspicious.
He’s a snake oil salesman who claimed to have cured cancer. Definitely the sort of guy who’s miraculously discovered the secret to staving off the ageing process. Don’t even have to look at football though, tennis is close to the worst culprit, basketball is a joke, you can go through everything and anything.
It’s obviously not just straight up roids these days, but I generally presume athletes are on PEDs. Will go check out the Conte stuff, cheers for the heads up.
you are right on the tennis also. Conte goes into details about how athletes beat the tests and how the testing is set up to NOT CATCH people, but to make the public believe they care. He calls tests at training camp and events IQ tests. He also mentions how one of the Williams sisters avoided a test by hiding in her panic room and calling the police.
there is also a good interview with Lance Armstrong on Joe Rogan. Lance comes clean on a lot of stuff, but does not come off as credible as Conte. Lance seems to be trying to rehab his image, but just for Lance. Conte says he was wrong, should not have done it, did not realize the pain he caused until he went to jail.
The biggest issue with Armstrong isn’t the doping per se, it’s that he’s a complete germ of a human. A bully who actively set out to ruin the careers and lives of people he saw as getting in his way.
But yeah, my shock with athletes who get caught is more that they actually manage to get caught. You have to be genuinely stupid, and/or have idiots around you, to manage it.
yep, Lance tries to say sorry in the interview, and say he apologized to everyone he hurt and was suing, but I have a hard time believing him. Any time he talked about that it seemed rehearsed. And his past behaviour indicates he probably is a psychopath and regret is not something they do
RB Chris Warren III from Texas has met with Seattle multiple times apparently. He’s like 6’3 245!
So that’s who they seemingly liked from Texas.
Volume12 says:
February 27, 2018 at 2:29 pm
‘Texas was one of the 1st schools that Seattle scouted this summer and we know they lock onto guys early.’
Yeah! I remember reading that post from you. Wonder if they are considering go for a relatively “smaller back” in the early rounds and a bigger one later.
Possibly. He’s a versatile guy. Played TE this year even though he didn’t like it and his floor is probably an H-back.
Based on repeated questioning of his love for the game in his NFL.com profile (link below), I start to wonder if their interest is genuine.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2018/profiles/chris-warren?id=2560176
That’s why you meet with guys multiple times, to figure that stuff out. If they’ve had to meet with him more than once they likely weren’t convinced the first time and felt they needed to keep interacting with him. Someone to monitor for sure.
Maybe saw something they liked, while scouting another player, a la Poona
Took a look at what film I could find on Warren, and it wasn’t half bad. Held up reasonably well in pass-pro, not easy to tackle; if Seattle can get comfortable with his intangibles, he could end up making an interesting late round flier.
RB Chris Warren III vs San Jose State 2017:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LO97VMltXj4
His dad was a pretty smooth runner for the Hawks back in the day. Warren & Fenner (aka the murderer)
For sure. Ran 4.44 40 yard dash. Didn’t seem like it, because he was a glider. Punished dudes and ran by them. Spent early years on special teams with us, had to wait his turn, then was ultra productive.
Cover up. Hello Corey Lattimore
Cody* F’n spellcheck!
PB throw would work, although does that really test raw strength and endurance?
there aren’t a ton of lifts that test strength and endurance. I mean the injury risk is high but I’d rather see someone’s squat or deadlift to see how strong you are from head to toe.
I think the bench as measure of time and commitment however archaic shows something. These guys are huge and everyone of them had time demands that are in some ways greater than the average college student and in some ways easier than the average.
But when Smith and hernandez and even an injured ragnow (not a bad number for him consider time missed post surgery) come out swinging and other guys rock out 16 reps that makes me pause a bit.
Like are you just coasting on your abilities since you’ve always been the biggest dude?
PB throw for sure isn’t a test of endurance. More like explosive upper body strength. Reveals more than many times they can put up two plates IMO. I’d like to see what these guys can clean.
No excuse for Orlando Brown no matter how long his arms are. He should be embarrassed.
The clean would be the absolute best tool. But no one would go for that. some dudes would kill themselves and others would reveal themselves to be ridiculously non explosive.
What if Brown has an absolutely monstrous 1RM though? There’s nothing you can learn from the bench as they test it.
I agree there isn’t much to be learned from the bench as they test it. However, in this case, it’s obvious Brown is weak AF. At the very least it shows that he is lazy and didn’t put the work in at the gym. If you can’t even put up 15 reps it isn’t an endurance test at that point.
Anything over about 8 reps and it becomes an endurance test. You’d want him to put up more, sure, and it’s not a great look that two running backs managed to put up more than double what he did, but it’s a long way down on the things that really matter.
If we draft that big softie I’ll be pissed haha. The rest of his workout wasn’t any better. There is a strong correlation between how many times you can lift something kinda heavy a for reps and the heaviest thing you can lift once, there are 1rm calculators online that do a pretty good job of estimating your 1rm based on how many times you can lift a lighter weight. This dude is supposed to be an NFL OL prospect and I knew kids in high school that were stronger on the bench at more than 100 pounds lighter. It’s obvious he hasn’t put in the work. We know it’s not his genetics
Man, this class is huge! The RBs are big, CBs are gonna be long as hell, the O-lineman are huge, and these WRs are big boys with big ol’ hands.
Surely Seattle has to go after a big WR. They’ve got the small, shifty WR covered. Also, Pete was very positive about Darboh. Said they really loved his toughness, especially on Special Teams. Also mentioned he “offers something we don’t have.”
Remember last year when JS was at Texas Tech’s pro day? While it was probably for QB Patrick Mahomes, I’m beginning to wonder if it was for one the WRs that were catching balls from him. We know of Keke Coutee.
However, Dylan Cantrell (6’3, 220) is one one of the best blocking wideouts I’ve seen the past couple years.
WR Dylan Cantrell vs Kansas (2016):
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pxmbagFy1TU
Just a random suggestion/comment: would be interesting if you listed the average for the measurables/tests as well as a you few benchmarks (like list what our current starting O-Line had for measurables and how many BP)… Thank you so much for all the work you do on here, this is definitely my go to site and I love all the work you do on your articles as well as the community that you’ve fostered here, best resource for draft coverage IMO. Thanks!
Here you go:
Glowinski — 31 reps
Poole — 25 reps
Sokoli — 31 reps
Britt — 26 reps
Scott — 25 reps
Seymour — 30 reps
Smith — 28 reps
Sweezy — 21 reps
Gilliam — 19 reps
Okung — 38 reps (despite 36 inch arms!)
Ifedi — 24 reps
Pocic — 26 reps
Carpenter — 23 reps
Whoa for okung!
Shocked Pocic gets ripped for needing to be stronger, yet he was as strong coming out as Carpenter who not refined must felt was a beast.
The bench isn’t a good measure for this though. All this says is Pocic and Carpenter managed the same amount of reps. Carpenter might’ve had a much higher one-rep max weight.
Die hard LSU here, as y’all know. Logic isn’t a finished product. He could be solid maybe even great. But I always felt he lacked strength. He needs to keep building. Seattle was wise to invest in him, though I felt he was 1/2 a round high.
Pocic** sigh
35 and 37 from Smith and Hernandez. Those are two big numbers from two guys talked about in here. To bad for Price. Hopefully he is OK.
Given Seattle’s reported interest in Corbett previously, interesting to see him fall far short of ideal strength level in the bench. I wonder if that will dampen their interest, or if they see a unique trait that makes them consider overlooking this shortcoming.
The bench wasn’t embarrassingly low. IMO, it’s a way overrated determination on strength. Frank Clark didn’t do much on his bench, and he has been overpowering offensive linemen that have a good thirty or forty pounds on him for three seasons. Russell Okung had an impressive bench score, but I would struggle to suggest he wins with power.
That’s a fair take, but difficult to say how much stock Seattle’s evaluators place on the bench, given specific comments (albeit from Cable, who’s no longer with Seattle) on a given number of bench reps (27) being part of the ideal athletic build.
I know I’m not the first to question bench as a measure of power, but it’s never made a lot of sense to me. A long time ago some smart English guy (not Rob) figured out the whole “equal and opposite reaction” thing, which means you could bench a truck and you still couldn’t push a guy away from you unless you had a good stance and strong core. Arms and chest are just a small part of it.
Maybe they need to go the Ivan Drago type route and develop a blocking sled type mechanism that pivots at ground level. You stand across from it and punch it in the chest with both hands (1x? 5x? 10x?) and it measures force.
The whole cross fit routine would be an indication of something. Maybe an indication of a lot of different things. Perseverance, strength, speed, stamina.
Would be a fantastic way to see more injuries though. Technique gets sloppy under fatigue and stress.
You win with leverage, lower body power and technique. You can’t bench press a defender. It’s just a thing to make you go “ohhhh”, but it means very little in the grand scheme of things. Now, if a guy only managed like 7 reps… red flag.
I agree. I’ve said elsewhere on here I think they should be using the power clean to test explosive strength. And if they want to see some degree of endurance then they need to find a way to test repeat maximal – or near maximal – efforts. Because that’s what happens in a game.
God I love Derrius Guice. Dripping with swag.
‘If you don’t draft me, I’m gonna give your team hell.
‘I really run just like this dude. The Skittles man.’
Says there’s no one better than him at running between the tackles. And he gets a lot of hidden yardage.
What range do you think he gets drafted?
14-22.
I’d probably say a bit lower than that personally
Have to see how explosive he is in the testing but his weigh in and talk make me intrigued again about us drafting him. He was pretty much off my radar until the past couple days.
Guice does seem Seahawky doesn’t he (at least the 2013 version)?
What a RB class!
Day 2 possibilities: RoJo, Guice, Chubb
Day 3 possibilities: Kelly, Hamilton, Franklin Warren3
I’m so annoyed I can’t stream NFLNetwork live online.
Has one of the best back stories too. Seems like a highly motivated guy.
I’d add Lavon Coleman, Royce Freeman, Darrell Williams, Bo Scarbrough, and Malik Williams as possible day 3 targets too. Its a damn good RB class.
Totally. Forgot to add Coleman, Freeman, etc., etc.
Guice is “All In” and we know how highly SEA value that kind of attitude.
I still like RoJo the most. In fact, even if SEA were in a position to draft Barkley, I’d prefer they trade down for more picks and take RoJo. Barkley’s size makes him the more impressive athlete, but I think RoJo is an equally talented runner.
But I could get excited for a Carson/Guice tandem.
Yeah I like RoJo as well. Silky smooth. There isn’t really any backs I don’t like in this class TBH.
I’d pass on Walton and Ballage, but yeah, tons of good backs in this class.
Jordan Chunn. His only issue and a biggie, is ball security. About 1 fumble per every 69 touches. For comparison sake Joe Mixon was at 73, Alvin Kamara at 71, and Dalvin Cook at 64 per touch coming into the league. If you watch full game tape of Troy verses LSU. You will see a guy that picks up the blitz, catches away from his body, punishes fools, has excellent vision and burst, and while not tremendous breakaway speed, runs away from everyone.. in interviews, talks about film study and playing within the scheme. Guy is powerful and athletically gifted. And the end zone is his, he is its owner and proprietor.
His ball security, isn’t an issue of properly protecting the ball. Small hands, wanting to keep churning yards out, and well placed hits on the ball. Could as easily be at the top of the list, as the bottom. Gonna keep banging the drum on him. An extremely good fit, and a touchdown machine.
Bill Polian on Guice:
“A slam-bang power runner, much like Kareem Hunt. He’s not a great make-you-miss guy, but he’s got, as you can see there, tremendous balance and tremendous ‘want-to’. He hits the hole, and there he goes! So, if you like Kareem Hunt and you like his style, Derrius Guice is that style and he will make a team and make them better.”
I’m being a disease but is polian to be taken seriously or with a big grain of salt. That guy is all over the place with his opinions!
Wiseass good grief….
I like Guice alright, he’s probably the 5th or 6th RB in this class for me. He’s got good balance, seems to make good decisions, and runs with serious intensity which shows up in all those broken tackles and dragged defenders. I don’t think he’ll test as particularly explosive though, you don’t see him exploding out of his cuts. A lot of people have him still as the 2nd best back in this class, so maybe I’m missing something.
You are a very very wise man!
Men** But G uice is #2 On my big board behind Barkley
Cleveland has put the word out (according to reports on combine show NFL Total Access) they are open for business! Want to hear offers for #1. Hopefully things get crazy and Schneider figures out how to benefit from trickle down.
Drafted RBs Bench Press:
Robert Turbin — 28 reps
Christine Michael — 27 reps
Alex Collins — 18 reps
CJ Prosise — N/A
Zac Brooks — 18 reps
M Lynch (I know) — 20 reps
But Lynch wasn…. 😉
Nice to see that Prosise is consistent over time.
This made me chuckle.
Lol…+1
Really hope we move on from him. Dude is made of glass.
Not his fault unless he is somehow cutting corners in training or something, of which we haven’t heard complaints.
Unlikely, although sports science in the NFL is miles behind best practise around the world. More likely that he’s just a bit fragile, some people are made of glass and there’s not much you can do about it.
You can’t count on him, but I don’t see why you cut him unless the RB competition is just ridiculously stacked. The upside is absolutely still there.
He’s got to see the field this year if he’s going to keep a roster spot much longer. I’m rooting for him to heal up and play at full strength. Theoretically (mostly) a very interesting weapon. Got to get & stay healthy.
Lol
Davis Hsu looked at Seattle’s Offense Salary Cap and came up with this evaluation for their offseason:
“Seattle needs a WR2, TE1, RB1 and LG1- those are really the 4 slot.”
Boy, I’d really love for us to parlay #18 into enough to draft Nick Chubb (hope his 40 sucks, cause I don’t care) and maybe (homer alert) Dante Pettis. Think Pettis would be a great fit for us. He’s slight, but he gets open and catches everything. Think he’d be amazing in our scramble drill at shaking guys. Add Will Dissly at TE and we’ve got a run game again.
You said Pettis!
That would make me so happy Dante would take over for Lockett on Punt returns and I believe he would have an immediate impact at receiver as well! I have a feeling about him.
IT would definitely help reduce the load on Lockett and allow him to focus more on developing further as a WR. I’m really excited to see Tyler play next year; another year to physically and mentally heal from his devastating leg injury will pay dividends, I think. The kid has a great attitude and a fantastic work ethic; he’s one of my favorite players just for that.
I’m with you on Lockett absolutely great Kid and person I really hope we sign him to an Extension!
Baldwin, Lockett, Pettis, Darboh, McEvoy, Moore, LSU Trackster Cyril?
Good looking group, I hope we sign Kearse back after next year anyone else?
Go Hawks!
I love Dante too. My only concern with him is that when someone like Oliver from Colorado wanted to get up and get physical with him, he struggled just a bit with getting open. The punt return stuff is a bonus, but I don’t think Lockett suffers from doing it. If you take that away from Tyler, and he doesn’t take a leap forward at WR, you’ve sort of diminished his overall value. Also, Pettis is going to be taken in round two, I think, maybe three. We can’t afford that with our lack of picks.
On a a side note, I think Oliver is a tad bit underrated and I think he knows how to play corner. He’s going to be a sneaky good value pick for someone, unless of course he blows up in his testing and gets taken higher than expected at this time.
RB and O-line are definetly the 2 biggest needs. Probably followed by some type of defender.
I don’t think Kam, Avril, and Jimmy will be back. Although Kam will probably be kept on as some type of coach. Earl IMO is gonna get paid. And if Shead is kept he might get the nod at SS.
Idk, when he Shead finally made it back last year they were pretty clear he is now a corner. Though certainly there would be nothing stopping him from transitioning back if needed.
I think the offensive needs are spot on, in opposite order: OG, RB, TE, WR.
On defense we currently need DL and LB depth, maybe a starting safety. If we cut veterans, the needs obviously increase. Pass rush will very likely become a top priority.
Guice is strange one imo. At some points I think I definitely want to draft this guy and at others I don’t think he’s worth a high pick. Seems like the guy that we draft and he doesn’t live up to it. But if someone else does he becomes a star. Really intriguing draft and free agency coming up. Enjoying the uncertainty, feels like it could be the start of something great but also feels like we could make a right mess of it. Missed emotions to say the least.
I have a late 2nd to 3rd round grade on him. He’s talented but he doesn’t run like lynch, he runs like Thomas Rawls. When you combine his injury concerns with his upright running you are bound to get blown up. I just don’t really see ‘beastmode’ When I see him.
You’ll regret drafting this guy. Just like I said J. Landry instead of P. Rich, or OBJ. We almost got one right when we got my boy Ware. Sigh….will My Seahawks never learn in taking my right Tigers! Guice and Carson would be INSANE!!!!
Who was in the 2nd group of O-lineman on the bench press? Pete, Solari, and 3 others were there.
Did you find out?
Will Hernandez had a formal meeting with the Hawks.
* has. As in tonight.
Other than arm length, Hernandez personifies what Solari had as an o liner in San Fran. Big, physical, powerful, nastiness, finish, intimidation, and a little bit of crazy. I don’t know if he’s a guy you draft at 18 though. I’d say he’s top 35-45.
With Seattle’s limited draft capital, I don’t currently see how they can afford to draft anybody at number 18. They need to trade down for more picks, which is their habit regardless of how much draft capital they have. Given how often they trade down there first pick, it is frustrating to watch everybody’s futile effort trying to figure out who they will pick at number 18 when that is just not going to happen. All of that is a wasted effort. It would be more productive to try and determine what the trade down will look like.
I would have to agree that they will trade down regardless. It would be somewhat amusing if Vita Vea or Barkley slid to #18, just to watch the Seahawks cry as trade down anyway. Maybe they would get more draft picks if one of those two was still available.
The good thing about all this is that offensive linemen and running backs will be available in the second round. In fact the sweet spot for running backs will probably be top to middle of the second round.
Depends on how successful they are in shopping ET3 and/or Sherm. I don’t think they’ll get more than a R4 for Bennett, unless they package him with either of Sherm or Thomas, so he’s not likely to factor in this situation.
Obviously with ET3 they’d get at least a R1. Harder to say with Sherm, but likely either a R2 or R3. If either of those trades happened they could pick at 18, though I still wouldn’t take Hernandez there. Of the players likely to be available, I’d prefer RoJo or Wynn the most.
Thinking of a package deal — Sherm + Bennett makes a lot of sense. Each is good enough in his own right to be of significant game play value to another team, but the two together could represent enough draft value to warrant a high pick trade.
Both DAL and DET could use DB/DT help (especially DET if they lose Ansah in FA). Not sure if you could get 19 or 20 for Sherm/Bennett, but I think a team like MIN, NEP, CLE, IND or NYJ might see enough value to give up a late R1/early R2 for both.
Why would a team pay big for two aging guys, (one coming off of a serious injury), who make a combined $20 million plus?
I’m slightly fearful that they might do the “trade next year’s first for a current year second” thing.
This type of bad trade isn’t as common as it once was (was the great Earl Thomas heist the last?) but if Pete thinks he’s dealing with a two-year window before he walks and apres moi le deluge …
He would be a great fit to bring some toughness and nasty back to the OL. Hernandez and Brown on the left side would be a huge left side.
Why didn’t RoJo lift?
Either felt it would impact his performance tomorrow or he just isn’t very good at lifting and just didn’t see any value from it.
Not really concerned either — he’s a quick, 205lbs, dynamic runner. Not a power runner.
And has great lower body strength. The upper body strength can come with time in a pro program.
What is a scenario of trading back and getting two seconds and maybe one or two thirds? I really would like to see the hawks get two seconds, but is it possible?
You could trade down with the Browns from 18 and get the first and last picks of R2 (33+64).
Then trade down again from 33 with someone else and pick up the R3. May have to throw in a R5 from us to sweeten the deal and not move down quite as far.
If you throw in the R5, you could trade down from 33 to 47 and receive ARI R3P79 in return.
If you don’t throw in the R5, you could move down to DAL at 50 and receive their R3P81 in return.
50 or so slots is a long time to wait before picking, but hey, they’ve done it before.
Yuck! I’ve been banging the drum on selling the pick to Cleveland if possible but after that 33 is about as far as I would want to wait before picking. Selecting at 50 just seems terrible and I know I feel this way every year and there are always surprises but at that point nearly everyone who could make an immediate impact feels like they would be gone.
Ideal scenario for me in terms of fit on the draft chart would be the Jets missing on “their” QB at #6 and then trying to jump the Bills to pick their second choice (Jackson? Allen? Mayfield? Rudolph? Other?) with their #37 and #49 in the 2nd round. I know, why trade with #18 if the Bills don’t pick until #21? Well, we have to hope that #20 and #19 don’t want to move.
Giants have #34 and #66, which would be a decent starting point for #18 if the draft a non-QB at #2 and want a long-term replacement for Eli.
Those are both good choices as well.
Report says they are shopping Mike B. What kind of 2/3 Rd pick package can you get for Rd1-18 and 72?
OL Noteboom put up 27 reps today with 34 3/8 inch arms. He could be a Seattle OL option on day 2, and I think he has more potential than Odhiambo did coming out of college; Rees was a 3rd round comp pick, so basically an early 4th.
When was the last time we had a ‘take no prisoners’ personality and physical style on the outside? Angry Doug fits that description but he’s a slot guy. Golden Tate could block, take a hit, and had that Steve Smith trademark ultra competitive personality. Anquan Boldin is another recent example. Darboh?
Here’s the link to the Guice comments people were talking about above:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine/0ap3000000918434/Guice-If-you-don-t-draft-me-I-m-going-to-give-your-defense-hell
He’s a good talker, it’s not always effective though.
Guice suggested before the 2017 season at the SEC media day that Alabama’s defense played scared against LSU. In the meeting between the two teams during the season, Alabama’s defense let Guice know what they thought about those comments. They pummelled him, got in his face. And proceeded to handily win their seventh game in a row against LSU, making the comments look a bit pathetic really.
If you want to compare yourself to Marshawn, note nobody did what Alabama did to Guice to Marshawn. Ever.
We already know what Marshawn wannabes can look like when they don’t pull it off on the field. Sorry, Rawls, ma boy…
Seahawks maybe talking Michael Bennett trade.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/01/report-seahawks-talking-about-michael-bennett-trade/
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22617939/seattle-seahawks-trying-trade-michael-bennett
I bet there are a few teams interested in signing Bennett if SEA were to release him. Hopefully one of them sees value in trading for him to avoid competition
So let me get this straight. We have been debating whether Earl Thomas should get a 4 year contract extension. While at the same time the Seahawks will get no benefit from Chancellors contract extension and have to pay him while he is injured.
And Bennett is being shopped around even though he has 3 years left on his contract.
Did I get that right?
Hypothetically, if Bennett’s non-dead cap space could be the difference that allows them to extend Sheldon, would you want them to trade/cut him and roll his space into Richardson’s contract?
Personally I would rather have Bennett at his salary then Richardson at what he might make.
I would rather have Sheldon over MB because of the tread left on those tires. Sheldon can still grow in their system. He may make more, but we would get more moving forward. I’m not married to either player, however.
So teams will wait until Seattle releases him and then it’s off to New England where he’ll get 10 sacks or so?
I think the Hawks are shopping everyone, just like they shopped Sherm last year. If they get offers they like, they move them. Otherwise, they probably bring most of them back. I find it hard to believe they will release MB, but by the end of April we will know who is gone, who is drafted, etc. All interesting speculation until it happens.
Would love to be a fly on the wall of a PC JS conversation
And there will be a familiar face for MB to see on the Patriots defense. The real question is what do we do with the 6th round pick we get from NE for Richard Sherman? Oh it’s not as bad as you think, we got a conditional 2019 4th rounder also…
Parsing Pete today, I took away these things.
1. The moves to the offensive coaching staff is to further develop RW and build around him.
2. Chris Carson is going to factor into the run game.
3. He’s genuinely excited to be bringing in Ken Norton to fire up the defense.
4. They value Sheldon Richardson, what he does up front for others, and it sounds they will make a real push to sign him.
5. They’re shopping folks and that includes Earl, Sherm, and Bennett, and could be others.
I’m beginning to really warm around Schottenheimer as the OC. He’s never had close to the talent we have to work with, and is highly respected by guys like Brees, who credits him for developing his game. I think Bevell lacked the authority and gravitas to hold Russ accountable for certain mistakes, and that led to a disconnect between the OC and the QB. Couple that with Cable having too much power over the offense, and you have an offense that is completely relying on talent rather than meshing it with scheme.
I think Solari was a great hire, and I’m excited to see what Schottenheimer can do with Russ and the talent around him. I hope he holds Russ accountable and help him to continue to develop his pocket game, because Wilson has to start transitioning to that as his athleticism naturally fades with age. A lot of uncertainty, but also a lot of cautious optimism on my end as well.
Agree with a lot of this….my counter to a degree with holding Russ accountable that I see often is you chat hold him accountable and load him up with an average at Corps, no running game, and if course one of the worst plumes in the land.
does he free lance, of course it’s he miss throws, yes. But does he play with receivers that catch in the mid 50% percentile? If course as well.
Obviously he needs someone to help him to see the other options on the field but playing in shootouts is going to leave him in bombs away territoty.
The bench is so dumb, there’s so little point in having an endurance test in the combine. Either bring some sort of repeat effort workout – each minute on the minute – to get closeish to game conditions, or just go with the power clean to test explosive power. It’s the least complex of any of those compound lifts, not like we’d have to see 350lb lineman snatching – could be quite a sight.
Absurd from Chubb and Barkley, they could enter Christine Michael territory.
Barkley and Chubb putting up 29 lifts at 225lbs**** is very impressive.
Both show they have power. Probably the most positive developments today.
Any athlete being injured in a workout or “test” is distressing. I feel for Price right now, hopefully it is not something “really” serious. An injury that he can recover from quickly and participate in his pro day.
****or should I say for Rob, 29 lifts of 16.07 stones. 😀
How many yards of beer in a stone?? 🙂
after a few yards, it doesn’t matter
The more germane question is… how many quid for a pint of ale
Programming note…
PC was on at 11AM John Clayton segment today…. on 710
JS will be on at 11AM tomorrow…. on 710
20 minutes of fluff, maybe 1 minute of good stuff.
Hahaha!
’20 minutes of fluff, maybe 1 minute of good stuff.’ That’s great. Sums it up perfectly.
I only got to hear part of today, but essentially…. nothing new.
God. Imagine if after the weigh-ins at the combine, the players cut interviews like this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/allan_cheapshot/status/969176742861647873/video/1
For anyone and everyone.
If Oakland releases Bruce, and it came down to one or the other, would you rather have him or Sheldon?
I think it could be a Bennett for Irvin type of thing.
I thinkkkk Richardson. He did a lot of dirty work last year, even if it wasn’t splashy. But I’ve heard some interesting pieces about how important Irvin has been for the Raiders culture-wise, if they’re serious about toughening the team up…
I guess I would go with Sheldon as he is 27. Bruce will be 31 mid season and he will still command about $6 mill. I would actually want to keep Bennet over both of them.
Sheldon all day.
Both.
I’m starting to think we’re going to target OL/DL with our first pick and grab one of these RBs when the time comes, you’re not going to miss out on much by waiting till the end of round 2.
Not to say RB won’t be the pick, if we trade back to 30 ish and get a late 2nd, then 1 or 2 of Chubb, Jones and Guice are there at 30, id take my pick instead of trading back and missing out, that’s still excellent value.
Vol 12, have you found a listing of each group of guys doing bench for OL position group for the combine yet? You have me intrigued with Seattle watching the second group of guys.
Any other rumored visits with Seattle besides Hernandez?
Rob, what do you think about the Seahawks interest in Will Hernandez. Me personally I love his strength. Looks like the type of lineman we need to run the effectively. This guy is a true road grader and good pass protector. My concern though is that he relies too much on his upper body strength. Other than that he’s someone we need for the O-line. I feel seattles offense can be the bullies again with this guy or even Isaiah Wynn. Where do you think the Seahawks will draft him? Seattle is sure to trade back for picks.
Not Rob, but if they are looking at Hernandez and Corbett, they are probably looking at using a high pick on a guard. I would say that there’s a strong likelihood that the first two picks go to helping the run game selecting OL and RB.
That’s if well get any picks for 2nd or 3rd. If not then we’ll have to wait until the 4th rd to draft a RB. But I’m actually ok with that range. Seahawks need to be smart to not draft another Christine Michael or another durability lacking CJ prosise. I don’t like Corbett honestly cause to me he’s another pocic. He doesn’t have good upper body strength. Hernandez is the better option by far. If the Seahawks want to be a hard nose running team Corbett is definitely not the answer, Hernandez who’s an absolute road grader is. I’m in love with Will lol.
According to Tony Pauline, Seattle is pretty interested in Corbett, though, and he has a track record nailing Seattle targets.
I think the likelihood is pretty high Seattle trades out of pick 18 to get into day two.
I’ll be upset if they choose Corbett over Hernandez. Honestly Corbett looks like a 3-5 round pick and reminds me of a cable guy. I like tony though. I blame McDowell and lane for costing us our 2nd and 3rd rd picks lol. But In the past few years there trade back move hasn’t worked. I feel they should stop waiting too long cause other good picks will be gone. Seattle has missed out on a lot of really good picks over the years. They can’t keep doing this otherwise they could be worse than last season.
Part of the trade backs are to get rookies on cheaper deals, IMO. Since this draft looks especially deep at OG and RB, it makes sense that they would trade back targeting both positions.
I totally get that fans get frustrated with trade backs, but I think this is a thing the team will almost always look to do.
And blame lane. Blame the Texans for pulling a fast one, and JS for being an idiot and giving up that puck.
John always gets desperate with these types of trades. I noticed that with Percy Harvin a couple years ago and how terrible that was. He was gives up important draft picks and lets other great players go. I’m gonna stay pissed with McDowell. He has talent but has horrible character issues that shows he’s in it for the money. I honestly don’t have faith in Carroll and Schneider to make the smart picks this year. Cables gone which shoulda happened a long long time ago so we won’t see cable guys starting on the line day 1. The Duane brown trade I didn’t like because they got desperate I woulda given up a 4th and not a third. Also extending players that shouldn’t have been extended to begin with such as Bennett chancellor. Chancellor sets the tone but is unreliable in pass coverage. Earl is tricking because it showed how badly we need him from 2016 but he’s showing signs of getting injured often. He was also bad in coverage this year giving up plays deep in games like Texans and jags. We might be forced to extend Thomas cause no one can play cover 3 FS like him (which is why I’m not a fan of cover 3) and the draft class for safeties is not appealing. I think they should tag Richardson with the intent to trade him.Avril is gone which I’m sad by and Lane shoulda been gone after 2016 season. Pete and John need to be smart with every decision from here on out and can’t get cute with some decisions. Can’t get desperate for trades or gambles that spell trouble from the beginning. I feel if this continues and Seattle regresses then Carroll and Schneider should be fired.
Who would actually trade for Michael Bennett? It’s got to be a team with ample cap space that also feels they are in or near their peak window.
Texans? Titans? Jags?
Pairing him up with Watt & Clowney would be potent. Joining the already redonkulous Sacksonville Sajuars as a rotational guy would probably bring out his best.
What would we get in compensation? A mid 4th-mid 6th round pick?
Houston won’t take him, a lot of teams will not take him. The players on the teams are fine with him, the owners are different. They still have plantation owner mentality. All the distraction talk is not really true. But the ownership and fans are a different story. If you don’t think there is much racism anymore, go check out the comment sections on PFT and Bleacher report and get a reality check.
I think 4th round at best, but the team that gets him with the Hawks taking the hit from the bonus is getting a steal.
I could see NE being interested, especially the way they lost that Super Bowl. There could be a few teams.
I don’t get the narrative that he’s slowing down. He play most of 2017 with a foot injury that many might choose to be sidelined with, and still collected 8.5 sacks. He can play any position on the DL. The dude has value.
My guess is some team will offer a mid rounder for him.
It’s not a narrative, he is slowing down. The foot thing is an excuse. Also, people say he played “too many snaps”. Nobody cares about your snaps if you’re young and can handle it. If he’s totally healthy this season and he kills it, cool. However, he’s lost something and that’s perfectly natural. I’m still sort of amused that people always he had a great season the year before. There is a difference between a ten sack guy who makes a couple of splash plays per game and gets neutralized most of the other snaps. Then there are guys who get doubled, schemed against and still manage to reach double digits. He is a guy who is better than average. He’s not great. Not anymore.
I can see him in a Jaguars uni doing his 2 pumps
Add Bennett to Campbell, Ngakoue, Fowler Jr & Jackson & you are looking at about as fierce and deep a pass rushing group as you can get. Jacksonville is already standing toe to toe with NE. In their shoes trading pick #125 (4th) would be a no brainer. From Seattle’s perspective I would push for a swap of their #93 (3rd) for one of our 5ths and MB if he’s not in our future plans.
In regards to Seattle’s perspective why not throw a 2019 4th just to get er done. That’s a solid deal.
Probably not solid value point wise but considering our lack of picks it would even it out
Pretty sure Jax doesn’t have the cap space they used to have.
Probably can get a 4th rd pick for him
If I’m comprehending correctly, Bennett if traded would have a cap hit of $6.65M to his new team for 2018 as Seattle is responsible for the pro rated signing bonus money. That’s pretty reasonable for someone who just went to his 3rd straight Pro Bowl. Jacksonville is still showing $29.8M in cap space.
I’m not sure they have officially sign Bortles yet….. they might also not like having Bennett sign through 2020.. and be on the hook for that.
I don’t think that there is any hit in 2019 or 2020. He could be cut with no dead cap. If Seattle trades MB and takes the full dead cap hit then he becomes a relative bargain to whichever team picks him up.
Bortles extension is showing a $10M cap hit in 2018. Then it goes to $21M & $23M in 19 & 20.
Saw somewhere Bennetts deal has an out after 18
Jet’s, Buc’s, NE, Dolphin’s, Raider’s, Bear’s, Titan’s, Bill’s and the cardinal’s to name a few. Depends on what happens in free agency.
Albert Breer (@AlbertBreer) Tweeted:
Ohio State C Billy Price is believed to have a torn pec, per sources, and is waiting on an MRI to confirm. It happened on his third rep during the bench press at combine today.
6:44 PM Mar 1, 2018
Terrible news.
Tavaris Jackson played a lot of 2011 with a torn pec. Then again I think in 2011 or 2010 Okung went on IR for the same thing. If it’s torn he’ll be drafted but probably mid to late rounds because he’ll have to basically sit out a whole season.
6 months recovery at worst case. 2nd round is floor for him.
+1 🙂
For those of you that are interested in the interview part of of the combine, and play interviews, heres 2 links to Akrum Wadley Interviews:
https://twitter.com/hawkcentral/status/969360206558892040
https://twitter.com/marcmorehouse/status/969293546866974720
Rob, Could you give a few names to watch for over the weekend? Maybe a sleeper for the Hawks, who you are most excited to see perform, and one who could potentially hurt his stock the most with a bad performance?
Also, a thought on the Bench Press and Price, from a strength coach perspective. Calling the BP a test of upper body power is a misnomer, it is an endurance test the way it is currently done. Explosive power is about overcoming inertia in as small amount of time as possible. Simply by doing more than one rep, you are defeating that idea. A lot colleges wont even let their guys do traditional bench press as part of their strength program, not only for this reason, but it also teaches bad technique. Blocking technique is taught as Elbows tight and close to the body, thumbs up. Traditional bench press is literally the opposite technique, so it doesn’t actually measure your power in a block. I’ve heard several college strength coaches say they had to “teach” BP to players going to the combine because they hadn’t done it in several years. My guess is Price was one of those guys based on him blowing out his pec on the third rep. Likely a combo of being relatively new to it and not having a great warm up routine and dumb bad luck. I hate that the guy likely lost a ton of money over an outdated form of testing.
Hi — tried to touch on some names to watch here: https://seahawksdraftblog.com/the-ultimate-seahawks-2018-combine-preview
I’m very outspoken on my opposition to the bench press as a test. Hate it at the combine. Waste of time. I’ve just written about it in today’s live blog: https://seahawksdraftblog.com/live-blog-day-one-workouts-ol-rb
I completely missed the names to watch on there when I read it. Thanks for the info!