Combine day one: Identifying WR’s and TE’s for Seattle

Four potential tight end targets emerge

As noted in our big combine preview, the Seahawks pay a lot of attention to agility testing at tight end. The short shuttle and three cone results of the past can help us identify potential TE targets in the 2020 class.

Obviously there’s a lot more that goes into a projection than simply agility testing. Performance, character, playing style — there are multiple strands.

However — we’re a decade into the Carroll/Schneider era and certain trends have emerged at positions like tight end.

Here are the players they’ve drafted or added since 2010, with their short shuttle (ss) and three cone (3c) times:

Luke Willson — 4.29 (ss), 7.08 (3c)
Will Dissly — 4.40 (ss), 7.07 (3c)
Nick Vannett — 4.20 (ss), 7.05 (3c)
Anthony McCoy — 4.57 (ss), 6.99 (3c)
Zach Miller — 4.42 (ss), 7.01 (3c)
Jimmy Graham — 4.45 (ss), 6.90 (3c)
Greg Olsen — 4.48 (ss), 7.04 (3c)

Everyone apart from Anthony McCoy has run a 4.4 or faster short shuttle. Every single player has run a sub-7.10 three cone.

Using this information, we can predict four potential Seahawks targets based on today’s combine testing:

Adam Trautman — 4.27 (ss), 6.78 (3c)
Charlie Taumoepeau — 4.27 (ss), 7.00 (3c)
Dalton Keene — 4.19 (ss), 7.07 (3c)
Hunter Bryant — 4.46 (ss), 7.08 (3c)

Trautman’s 6.78 three cone is the fourth fastest by a tight end in the last 10 years. Keene’s 4.19 short shuttle is the 11th fastest in the last decade.

Last year only Noah Fant (6.81), TJ Hockenson (7.02) and Kaden Smith (7.08) ran a sub-7.10. Hockenson ran a 4.18 short shuttle and Fant a 4.22. They were both top-20 picks. Smith ran a 4.47 was drafted by San Francisco in round six but he did run a 4.92 forty.

It’s perhaps more likely than not — following the addition of Greg Olsen — that the Seahawks won’t draft a tight end this year. If they do take one there’s a reasonable chance it’ll be one of the four names above.

It’s also worth noting that the Seahawks were paying attention to Hunter Bryant’s forty (note Pete Carroll’s point). They also, seemingly, have some fancy new technology…

The other highlights were Albert Okwuegbunam’s blazing 4.49 at nearly nearly 6-6 and 258lbs. He didn’t compete in the short shuttle or three cone, however.

Cole Kmet looks the part and was particularly smooth running routes and catching the football. Kmet ran the second slowest three cone (7.44) though with only LSU’s Stephen Sullivan running a slower time (7.51). For what it’s worth, Sullivan also ran the slowest short shuttle (4.62).

A mixed bag from the receivers

This has long been considered a receiver draft — with multiple possible first round picks. The combine was supposed to be the moment this was confirmed. Yet overall there were positives and negatives.

Denzel Mims was possibly the biggest winner. He was extremely impressive at the Senior Bowl and flashed a ‘pissed off for greatness’ attitude during TV interviews. Today he ran a 4.39 at 6-3 and 207lbs and jumped a 38.5 inch vertical and a 10-11 broad. Unlike D.K. Metcalf a year ago, he also excelled in the three cone — running the fastest time at 6.66 — a full 0.34 faster than second placed Juwan Johnson (6.94).

Mims has 34 inch arms too and an excellent catching radius. His speciality is an ability to win contested catches but with 4.39 speed he has major upside. He will likely overtake a number of other players after this.

Chase Claypool had a superb overall workout — running a 4.42 and jumping a 40.5 inch vertical at 6-4 and 238lbs. There’s been talk of a conversion to tight end but it so rarely works out. Claypool proved today he has the speed to stick at receiver. Notre Dame teammate Miles Boykin jumped into round three after an excellent combine a year ago and Claypool should also see a nice rise after today.

Henry Ruggs was always expected to run in the 4.2’s so his 4.27 forty wasn’t a surprise. He hurt a quad running though and didn’t do anything other than a forty. It’ll be a surprise if he’s not the first or second receiver off the board. He might be in a direct competition with Alabama teammate Jerry Jeudy (who could appeal to teams with young QB’s due to his consistency and route running). Ruggs’ floor is probably Denver at #15.

Jalen Reagor was projected to run faster than a 4.47 but it’s still a perfectly decent time for a player with his explosive traits (42 inch vertical, 11-6 broad). He also looked very natural catching the football during drills — including making one really awkward low grab on a wayward Shea Patterson throw. He also had a superb high-pointed catch on a fade drill.

Brandon Aiyuk ran a slower-than-expected 4.50. It’s not a disaster with his explosive testing (40 inch vertical, 10-8 broad) and enormous catching radius (33.5 inch arms, 80 inch wingspan). Expect both to remain in the first round mix — albeit perhaps not quite as early as recently projected.

Jerry Jeudy (4.45) and Ceedee Lamb (4.50) ran decent but not great times. In the fade route drills they both had the coaches hollering for the way they used footwork to get open then high-pointed the ball. Lamb’s effort in particular was a highlight reel moment.

Donovan Peoples-Jones missed out on equalling the combine receiver record for a vertical jump by half an inch. He also ran a decent 4.48.

Laviska Shenault ran a 4.59. He lined up wearing a baggy T-shirt, ran a poor time then didn’t take his second attempt and called it a day. If it’s an injury — he has too many. Either way, a poor showing that unfortunately wasn’t that unpredictable.

Tee Higgins opted not to do anything, citing he was ‘resting’. A few teams might decide to ‘rest’ Higgins from their draft boards. KJ Hamler didn’t work out either because he’s nursing a hamstring injury.

From the Seahawks perspective, Pete Carroll has only drafted three receivers who haven’t run a 4.4 forty or faster (Kenny Lawler 4.64, Chris Harper 4.50, John Ursua 4.56). Paul Richardson (4.40), Golden Tate (4.42), Tyler Lockett (4.40), Kris Durham (4.46), Kevin Norwood (4.48), Amara Darboh (4.45), David Moore (4.42) and D.K. Metcalf (4.33) all cracked the 4.4’s.

Plenty of players ran a 4.4 but it just didn’t feel like the group sparkled as much as expected. It’s possible expectations had reached an unrealistic level.

Instead of feeling like there might be a ‘must draft’ prospect in the top-45, this now feels like a situation where the Seahawks might be best served using the depth of the receiver class to their advantage and finding a player they like later on.

There were 20 receivers who ran an official 4.4 forty:

Henry Ruggs — 4.27
Quez Watkins — 4.35
Denzel Mims — 4.38
Darnell Mooney — 4.38
Devin Duvernay — 4.39
Antonio Gibson — 4.39
Chase Claypool — 4.42
John Hightower — 4.43
Justin Jefferson — 4.43
Isaiah Coulter — 4.45
Jerry Jeudy — 4.45
Jeff Thomas — 4.45
Tyrie Cleveland — 4.46
Freddie Swain — 4.46
Stephen Guidry — 4.47
Jalen Reagor — 4.47
Joe Reed — 4.47
KJ Osborn — 4.48
Dezmon Patmon — 4.48
Donovan Peoples-Jones — 4.48

Brandon Aiyuk (4.50), Ceedee Lamb (4.50), Trishton Jackson (4.50) and Michael Pittman Jr (4.52) just missed out.

A year ago there were 18 4.4 runners or faster. So it’s a similar amount.

KJ Hamler and Bryan Edwards didn’t test and could easily be on Seattle’s radar. That’s something to keep in mind moving forward.

Of the quarterback performances there were no big shocks. Justin Herbert and Jacob Eason both have strong arms and threw the deep ball as well as expected. Of the others in the group, Jalen Hurts showed off a stronger-than-expected arm and can be very pleased with his performance. Steven Montez has natural arm talent and this was an ideal environment for him to show off his quality. He looked great. I thought Jordan Love’s accuracy was hit and miss at the start but he threw some beautiful deep passes late in the session.

Previewing tomorrow

On Friday the offensive linemen and running backs will perform drills. As we’ve done for the last four years, we’ll run the O-liners through our TEF (and weighted TEF) formula to determine who are the most explosive players in the class.

The formula is explained in full here.

Unfortunately the following key names didn’t do the bench press so we won’t be able to give them a score:

Logan Stenberg
Trey Adams
Tyler Biadasz
Ben Bredeson
Saahdiq Charles
Solomon Kindley
Shane Lemieux
Lucas Niang
Prince Tega Wanogho
Jedrick Wills

There were some positive reps from those who did compete. John Simpson (34), Ezra Cleveland (30), Jonah Jackson (28), Cesar Ruiz (28), Austin Jackson (27) and Damien Lewis (27) all managed an optimal explosive score (27 reps).

Several players weren’t far behind and also had impressive tallies considering their long arms — including Isaiah Wilson (26), Matt Peart (26), Hakeem Adeniji (26) and Lloyd Cushenberry (25).

It should be a highly explosive showing from the running backs. J.K. Dobbins has said he’s struggling with a sore hamstring and might not workout. However, Clyde Edwards-Helaire, Cam Akers, Jonathan Taylor and A.J. Dillon are capable of a big performance.

Missing players

It feels like a larger than normal number of big name players are not working out at the combine this year. Some are legit. Tua Tagovailoa for example. Yet a strong quota of LSU players are not performing (Thaddeus Moss, K’Lavon Chaisson, Grant Delpit, Joe Burrow). Chase Young won’t do any drills. Tee Higgins is having his ‘rest’. Price Tega Wanogho and Terrell Lewis aren’t healthy enough to work out and Yetur Gross-Matos is a doubt too.

Pete Carroll reveals free agency plan

Speaking to John Clayton on 710 ESPN, Carroll made some interesting remarks when quizzed about the plan for free agency. Unsurprisingly he confirmed that improving the pass rush was a focal point. He spoke very specifically about the need to find a premier pass rusher to fill the LEO spot. Carroll also noted they’d zoned in on half a dozen free agency targets to add to the D-line.

You can hear the interview in full here.

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  1. Easthawk

    Realistically, can the Seahawks trade down to R2 and still get Aiyuk with their second 2nd round pick? He’d be my choice of a WR they draft from this class. Unless, y’know, someone like Jeudy is available then maaaybe just get him?. Imagining a trio of Aiyuk/Metcalft/Lockett for Russ is just nice.

    • Michael Hasslinger

      This is my own impression of watching Aiyuk… I think he’ll be available in the 3rd round. His 40 time shows up in his play.

      There are bigger guys that are as explosive, faster, and create mismatches. Also, Aiyuk would most likely need to play slot.

      I’ll be flamed for this, but Aiyuk would be a hard pass for me.

      • Rob Staton

        Aiyuk will NOT last to R3.

        Top-45 lock.

        He ran a 4.50 not a 4.75.

        • Michael Hasslinger


          Ahhh… nice and warm :). Appreciate all you do, Rob.

  2. Kyle

    Great stuff, Rob.

    I’m struck by how well you’ve zeroed in on traits the Seahawks have targeted with different position groups. The people touting analytics tout their use of stats but the ability to see patterns and causation in the testing stats reveals a superior level of observation. Really great as always.

  3. Spencer

    Would love to know their targets. If I had to wager a guess..

    Clowney, Fowler, Griffen, Quinn, Armstead, one of Barrett/Ngakoue depending on who they think gets tagged?

    • Steve Nelsen

      Clowney, Jarran Reed and Quentin Jefferson are 3 for sure. Griffen and Fowler and Quinn fit the “premier LEO” description.

      • Spencer

        Wonder if the half-dozen count our own targets. Forgot about Reed and Q-Jeff for sure.

    • Steve Nelsen

      I went back and listened to Pete’s interview with John Carroll (Thank you for the link Rob) and Pete said ” half a dozen or so edge rushers.” It is clear he was including Clowney in that group and he was talking about more than just the LEO type edge rusher. It is really an interesting discussion of how they view DL. But I don’t think he was thinking of DTs with some interior pass rush capability like Reed and Jefferson when he was talking about potential free agent edge rushers so there are at least a couple more out there besides Clowney, Fowler, Griffen and Quinn.

      He also made it clear that their priority for DL was their own guys first.

  4. Aaron

    Given the Hawks could pick a WR later in the draft, any chance they make a play for Diggs?

    • Rob Staton

      Sure, it’s possible.

      • Kingdome1976

        It may even be more likely now.

        • Justaguy

          Diggs is an intriguing idea. Denzel Mims is even more intriguing. Mims is bigger, faster, more explosive and best of all he comes at a fraction of the cost.

  5. Aaron M Bostrom

    Great stuff, Rob! Any thoughts on Justin Jefferson after his faster than expected 40?

    • Rob Staton

      I thought he ran the time he was expected to run.

      • Russ

        “They were who we thought they were” – Dennis Green – Rob Staton

  6. Josh

    Raaaaaad, this is always a blast! Thanks for the info

    • Veryal

      Apparently Thaddeus moss has a broken foot and his getting surgery. So that’s why he didnt test

  7. charlietheunicorn

    Chase Claypool, Notre Dame: The wideout showed great hands during his on-field drills and ran a 4.42 40. “That’s a great time for him. This dude is tough. He’s a gunner on punt team, makes a bunch of tackles, really physical in the red zone. That’s a great time for him.” ~ NFL . com

    I could easily envision Seattle drafting this guy. Imagine a 3 WR set with Metcalf, Claypool and Lockett (slot)…. imagine what they could do….. he also wouldn’t be a huge stretch of a pick at the back end of round #2. This also would make for a pretty young WR group, which could be together for 3-4 years for a modest overall price. RW would be thrilled.

    • Von

      I completely agree! That would be a nightmare for defenses with Dissly and Olson on the field as well.

    • Coleslaw

      Claypool will be a mismatch machine in the NFL, motioning to/from TE/WR. Really can line up anywhere. Would be nice in Seattle especially since Lockett and DK are so different from each other, we would be very flexible to get them on the matchups we want.

      • Von

        I’d like to see Claypool and another shifty WR drafted honestly.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Denzel Mims has been my non top-prospect WR choice so far this year. He really showed something at Senior Bowl. Unfortunately, his workout today probably puts him out of reach for SEA unless they’re willing to make him their first pick after trading down.

    • RealRhino2

      Don’t have to envision it, I’ve seen Jaron Brown with those same guys.

  8. Veryal

    Meant as a separate comment chain lol

  9. One Bad Mata'afa

    Man, no love for Gordon? Might have had the best day of all the QBs.

    • Rob Staton

      I don’t know how anyone can say a QB ‘had the best day’ based on the limited coverage of the QB’s.

      • One Bad Mata'afa

        And yet you were able to make plenty of commentary on the other QBs despite limited coverage. And I used the word “might”…big difference there.

        • Rob Staton

          Plenty of commentary? You mean about four sentences to touch on five players???

          Stop being an angry fan.

  10. Von

    I thought Hightower made some $$ today

  11. Rob Staton

    Updated the post with the note that Denzel Mims also ran the fastest three cone (6.66) among receivers.

    He was the big winner today.

    • dcd2

      That’s an impressive combine for Mims. He certainly grabbed some attention today.

      It will be interesting to see the next mock and where you think this moves him.

      • Michael Hasslinger

        If I were a GM, I would be sweating taking Jeudy or Lamb over Mims. Mims has it all, and had production, and showed up the Sr. Bowl and wowed.

        Top 20 I’d think.

  12. Brett Kuchenreuther

    What about Jefferson? Speed, size, production. I’m a little surprised he doesn’t get a mention in this write up.

    • Rob Staton

      He ran in the 4.4’s as expected.

      I’m a little surprised people are moaning about who I didn’t mention in a 1600 word review written between four and five o’clock in the morning.

      • Aaron

        When 4 or 5 o’clock in the morning you write, sounds as eloquent you will not.

        • Rob Staton

          I’m not really bothered about sounding eloquent. I do this for free and it’s 5am.

          I’m going to bed.

          If I left out anyone’s favourite player… 🤷‍♂️

          • Aaron

            No worries Rob. What I said was a play on a quote from Yoda in Star Wars where he says, “When 900 years old you reach, look as good you will not.” Basically it’s 4 or 5am when you wrote this, I’d be lucky to put out a coherent couple words, much less what you did. Hats off Rob!

            • Saxon

              Don’t think folks meant it that way, Rob. You are universally beloved and we all greatly appreciate your hard work.

            • Rob Staton

              Apologies —- I’ve never really watched Star Wars to be honest!

          • Shady_Hawkster

            This website’s the best. Never change Rob, and keep up the good work!

            • God of Thunder

              Many times this. Brilliant job.

              Rest up Rob and be strong for more posting tomorrow, lol

          • Brett Kuchenreuther

            Sorry you’re so tired man! I was in no way moaning. It was a great write up as usual. Jefferson is not my favorite player but running in the 4.4s puts him play for the Seahawks and I don’t think it was universally expected that he would run that fast. His previous fastest timed 40 was something like 4.67. I hope you got some sleep.

            • Rob Staton

              No probs Brett, sorry if I was a bit snarky it was late (or early).

              I thought Jefferson would run a 4.45 so a 4.43 to me wasn’t a big headline. I think he was very much a top-45 type going in and not much has changed. He might leapfrog some others because of the way they tested.

  13. CHawk Talker Eric

    Diappointed Asiasi didn’t perform the SS and 3C. I rather like him as a TE prospect.

  14. dcd2

    There are going to be some really good guys that last to rounds 2-4. WR is deep, OL is deep, RB is deep… with teams scrambling to get a QB or DL that they think may be worth over-drafting, this is setting up for a BPA dream.

    In 2017 we moved down from 26 to 31 to 34, and picked up #95 & 111. Imagine the scenario’s with picks: 34, 59, 64, 95, 103, 111, 145, 155.

    • Bluenlime

      What’s the fascination of moving back. That 2017 we traded back and got McDowell, Pocic, Shaquil, Delano, Nazir, Darboh, D.moore, and Carson. We hit on a quarter of those picks and everything else was trash. Sometimes more is not always better.

      • Rob Staton

        This is missing the point though (as often happens in this debate).

        By all accounts they would’ve drafted Malik McDowell with or without the trade down. So trading down simply enabled them to get the same guy and multiple others too.

      • Davido

        Can we also please stop using McDowell as an example of a bad draft? That guy had an ATV crash who knows what he could have been? Any player can get into a car crash or any other career ending injury. Just because McDowell had character issues doesn’t mean anyone had foreseen this. How many stupid guys / guys with character concerns play in the NFL and none of them had an ATV crash without a helmet.
        Besides that we got 2 starters that draft. A probowler and a top 10 at his position.

      • dcd2

        Outside of the top -10 picks, every draft really becomes a crapshoot. The more tickets you have for the raffle, the better your odds for a prize.

        My point is that I think that there is a uniquely strong group of players that will be available from about pick 35-155. Knowing that the Seahawks M.O. is to trade down, I am excited about the idea of getting 8 guys in that range. Figure most won’t pan out, but maybe you get 3 guys who can be starters. That’s a good draft IMO.

  15. EranUngar

    Ok, there goes Mims…

    But, Antonio Gibson at 4.39 could be a real steal….

    • Henry Taylor

      Would be super keen on Gibson, can be the 3rd down RB and play some WR. Been wanting a weapon like that, and based on the seahawks drafting CJ Prosise a few years back, so have they.

      • God of Thunder

        Have not watched tape. Can he catch? Is he fluid and sudden? Is he tough?

        • EranUngar

          He can do everything, WR/RB/KR…all in one physical fast package. A great versatile weapon to have.

          have fun…

        • Kingdome1976

          Yes..yes..and yes. He’s also fast and an incredible play maker. He plays fast and hard. One of my favorite players in the entire draft bar none.

          • HawksGal

            Yes please +1

  16. Henry Taylor

    I’m fairly shocked by Raegor’s 40 time. It’s still good, but based on everything I’ve seen of him he should have been capable of a better time. Fwiw, I have read somewhere that he’s been clocked running faster than anyone did the NFL last year on a long TD so he does clearly have that elite speed, but I wonder what went wrong today.

    • Ukhawk

      💯 Agreed. I was surprised too after all the hype.

      DJ said he looked too “thick” but it really highlights that the downsides to evaluating a prospect based on a non football performance at a single point in time.

      He could’ve been unwell, injured, ill trained, stressed, etc..

      Underlines why scouts also rely on game tape/other data to judge game speed, technique, competitiveness/mindset as well as their projected potential which are probably much more important.

      • Spencer

        Also highlights the importance of pro days

        • Kingdome1976

          I too was surprised with Reagor and Aiyuk. I think both of them are 2nd rounders now. I am on the Hamler bandwagon anyway but still.

          • Rob Staton

            They ran a 4.47 and a 4.50 not a 4.75.

            • Kingdome1976

              Yes but they were both supposed to run faster and I assume that was part of why they were considered late first round possibilities right?

              It would be interesting to look at how many WR’s went in the first round the last 5 years that were 6 feet and under who ran a 40 at 4.47 or slower. Maybe I will look into it.

              • Kingdome1976

                So I went through the first round from 2015 to the present and not a single WR under 6 feet 2 inches was picked in the first round with a 40 time over 4.4 seconds. They’re were however quite a few bigger receivers that ran around the 4.5 mark.

                This is why I was pretty sure these two guys got bumped into the second round. They may not of course but at least there is some precedent to believe so. I’m guessing I could go back further in draft years and find the same but I’m too lazy. lol

              • Rob Staton

                I can think of one right off the top of my head.

                DeAndre Hopkins.

                4.47 isn’t a bad forty. Everyone’s lauding Jefferson’s 4.43. It’s 0.04 faster than Reagor. Let’s not overreact here and get silly.

                • Kingdome1976

                  Ahh, I missed that one. Good catch. Bet you can’t think of another one. And let’s be honest…Nobody here would think those two guys will be hopkins at the next level.

                  • Rob Staton

                    There are a few. N’Keal Harry and Mike Williams off the top of my head both ran in the 4.5’s. And you’re talking about a 4.47. There are loads of R1 receivers who have run in the 4.45-4.48 range.

              • Sea Mode

                The last one was Kendall Wright in 2012.

                Their play speed is a lot faster though and both have other rare traits, like Aiyuk’s catch radius and Raegor’s explosiveness and contested catch ability. That, together with perhaps a better pro day performance, will keep them solidly in R1 contention IMO.

                The other thing that might boost them: Deebo Samuel’s recent success. Look, V12 and I loved Deebo from years before he came out, but if we are to judge by the amount of times he was mentioned on air yesterday, he is apparently now the “gold standard” of what every team should be looking for in a WR…

                • Kingdome1976

                  No I get it. Put all the traits together and you could be a bottom end of round 1 guy. My main point was that very few receivers are 6 feet tall and run 4.47 or slower and make it in the first round. Every one listed above by rob were bigger and have better blocking out and possession type skills I would argue.

                  This all works for our benefit anyway. We always seem to trade down with our first pick and now there is a good chance that we will still have our pick of the litter if go WR early, so I’m happy.

                  As you said the last one taken was in 2012 and it really didn’t pan out that well for Kendall Wright, even though I did like him as a player.

                  • Rob Staton

                    Deebo Samuel ran a 4.48. Think he turned out OK.

                    Reagor’s time is perfectly fine.

                • CojackTX

                  Reagor also had to run about an extra 2 yards given his odd stance. I have to imagine the timed 40 will start to become less important as speed tracking of players in pads becomes more ubiquitous.

  17. Georgia Hawk

    I have to keep beating the drum for Antonio Gibson! Dude is built like a typical Seahawk RB (6′, 228 lbs) but listed as a WR. 4.39 40 at that size? Over 11 ypc as a RB this year. Plus an incredible threat as a KR/PR.

    He is a bigger, better, faster, HEALTHIER, Procise. I’d love the Hawks to snag him.

    • Trevor

      Seems to have a bit of Golden Tate in his game. If the Hawks wait till Day #3 for a WR I think he could definitely be an option.

      • Georgia Hawk

        I think his floor is Rd4. I wouldn’t be upset if the Hawks used a late 3rd on him. I think there is too much value as a movable piece to not take the chance.

      • WALL UP

        Doubt that he last beyond the 60-79 range in Day 2. I had him as a trade pick @ 77, before the combine for the Hawks. Now, he may go sooner.

    • Sea Mode

      I just watched highlights after seeing his performance, and I’ll admit I wouldn’t have guessed he was that fast from his tape. Such short strides. And he does have tiny 8 5/8 hands, but I’ll definitely be looking more closely at him now, especially since we’ll need to replace Procise.

      AAC’s Human CHEAT CODE 👀 || Memphis WR/RB Antonio Gibson Highlights ᴴᴰ

    • JimQ

      I really like versatile WR-Gibson as a multi-threat RB/WR/KR, one of my draft crushes, the question is, what round will he go in and would the Seahawks be willing to spend a 3-rd rounder? If gone by then, perhaps this other somewhat similar guy might be available in rounds 4 or 5 of the draft? Note his rushing #’s & all purpose yards, he’s also a very versatile player.

      WR/QB/RB/KR-Lynn Bowden, Jr, Kentucky
      2019: Rushing; 185/1468(#10 in FBS)/7.94-ypr(#3 in FBS)/13-TD’s(#21 in FBS).
      From his NFL bio: “”Bowden rushed for 1,468 yards (185 carries, 7.9 per) & 13 touchdowns while also leading
      the Wildcats in receiving (30-348-11.6, one TD in five starts to begin the year) and contributing as a returner (4-53-13.2 on punts, 9-220-24.4 on kickoffs) to finish in the top five nationally in all-purpose yards. Bowden was a second-team All-SEC pick as an all-purpose performer in 2018, leading the team in receiving (67-745-11.1, five TDs), starring as a returner 25-539-21.6 on kickoff returns & 5-146-29.9, with two punt returns for TDs, tied for first nationally) and starting 12 of 13 games played.””

  18. Trevor

    Before the Combine my WR rankings for the Hawks (Assuming the top 3 Ruggs, Lamb and Jeudy are gone.

    #1 Raegor
    #2 Aiyuk
    #3 Jefferson
    #4 Mims
    #5 Claypool but as a potential TE convert (loved his game but unsure about his speed meeting Hawks 4.4 requirement

    After the combine the 5 players remain the same but the order has definitely switched

    #1 Mims -He was my favourite WR on tape and at Senior Bowl but I was worried aout his speed. Not anymore he is a flat out stud. Unfortunately now I think his floor is in Rd #2 to the Panthers and old coach Matt Rhule who likely knows just how good he is.

    #2 Raegor- Not quite as fast I expected but explosive and plenty fast enough. A big plus for him is ability to return kicks and punts, he would have an impact in that area from Day #1. I can’t see the Hawks using their first pick on him though and he will be gon e by the end of Rd #1

    #3 Jefferson- His combine moved him into the 1st round conversation I think. My comp for him is Micheal Thomas and I could see the Saints taking him.

    #4 Chase Claypool- The star of the day along with Mims (More about him in a bit)

    #5 Aiyuk – I was disappointed with his 40 as I thought he would easily make the 4.4 cutoff for Hawks. Still like his tape and potential.

    • Kingdome1976

      My 5 before the Combine:

      1. Hamler
      2. Jefferson
      3. Aiyuk
      4. Reagor
      5. T. Johnson

      Still my 5 and in the same order

      • Trevor

        I like Johnson but he has made some really odd decisions and seems to have a really different personality that I am not sure messes with the Hawks.

        I think the only guy we have a huge difference of opinion on is Hamler. I have him #8 on my list.

        • Kingdome1976

          I think Hamler is first round pick all day…as long as he doesn’t run a 4.5+ 40 yard dash. He screams Seahawky to me.

  19. Trevor

    Chase Claypool will be the Seahawks pick at #59 or #64.

    Last year the Hawks traded up to #64 to draft a freak athlete at #64 and got an absolute steal in DK Metacalf. This year they own the #64 pick and could very well use it on another WR who is every bit the freak that DK is.

    What do the Hawks look for in WR

    -4.4 Speed (check 4.42)
    -College Production (check 1000+yds and 13 TDS last year)
    -Ability on special teams (Check -one of the best gunners in college football)
    -Character (Check-said to be a leader with incredible work ethic)

    He ticks all the boxes. Add in the fact that is is huge 6-4, 238 lbs, almost 10” hands, 32”+ arms and you have the ideal #3 WR to compliment to DK and Locket.

    Claypool is raw and needs to develop as a route runner but will be a mismatch nightmare against smaller slot CB or slower linebackers. He is already really good in the red zone, knows how to use his big body to shield defenders and high point the ball.

    One of the things I think PC/JS will like the most about him is his physicality and competitive nature. He is a great blocker as WR and looks for contact. This is a big bonus with he Hawks run first style and was an area DK excelled last year as a rookie.

    Finally he has shown he is durable and does not have any medical red flag issues.

    All this makes me think he would be the ideal pick for the Hawks at the end of the 2nd Round. He could go earlier though now because of his combine but I really, really really hope not.

    • Trevor

      Saw this and immediately thought that this is a guy Pete would love.

      Notre Dame teammate Cole Kmet (who had a fine Thursday of workouts himself) described what Claypool is like to hang around with. “He’s a competitive guy off the field, whatever we’re doing. If we’re playing pingpong, he’s competitive. That’s why you see how he is on the field.”

    • Kingdome1976

      I could definitely see Claypool jumping up the boards now. Seems a bit of project to me but the late second or early third seems about right to me now.

    • Rob Staton

      I wouldn’t say this is as nailed on as suggested here. He had a great combine but let’s not forget — they drafted Metcalf a year ago. I’m not sure they need another big receiver like this. For me what they’re lacking is quickness and the ability to create easy separation. If Tyler Lockett misses time they are basically ruined at the position. They need someone who can play outside and in and win with agility and suddenness. Not saying they won’t draft Claypool but they have a big bodied athlete already and it’s not like they’ve drafted every big/athletic WR over the last 10 years.

      • Trevor

        Rob I am just trying to send some positive vibes out into the universe 🙂 I just really want another Canadian kid on the Hawks roster. Luke Willson has been a blast but limited in his impact. Jon Ryan was a punter. I think Claypool has the potential to be really good and have a big impact longer term.

        • Rob Staton

          No issue with positive vibes but the counter to him being a pick in R2 is fair.

          • Trevor

            Understand completely particularly given the other needs they have as well.

      • RealRhino2

        Agree, Rob. The history of tall, heavy, fast WR is not as good as one might think. Vincent Jackson, Megatron, all others have been stiffs. Let’s mix it up. Our most successful Russ-WR pairing *by far* has been with the shorter, quick-breaking Lockett. I’d rather have more of that.

        • Trevor

          Who are all these tall 6-4+ and big 225lb + WR that ran a sub 4.45 40 and never panned out?

        • Trevor

          Only two wideouts to measure 6’4” & 235 pounds or bigger have run a sub-4.45 in the 40-yard dash at the NFL Scouting Combine since 2003

          Calvin Johnson / Chase Claypool.

          Also DK worked out pretty well last year for a big, heavy fast WR.

          • Rob Staton

            There’s no evidence of receivers with Claypool’s profile regularly busting. I would also say it’s important we don’t go OTT with him too.

            There’s a lot about him the Seahawks might like. But that will be the case with quite a few players.

            • Trevor

              Claypool is not Megatron and please don’t think I am saying that he is. He is still raw and needs to learn to run better routes etc. I just think there is a ton to work with . Megatron was a generational type of talent.

  20. WALL UP

    Pro Days may alter perspectives of those who may have slipped a bit. With the natural home settings, some players may let it loose with a better performance.

    There will be some dark horse candidates that were not invited to the combine that could be added to the list of VMAC invites. Got my eyes all on what Kevin Dotson does in his Pro Day performance. Any that you have an eye on, of those not invited to the Combine?

  21. Trevor

    Rob after the combine how would you rank WR prospects as a fit for the Hawks given that Locket and DK are locked in a WR1,2?

    • Rob Staton

      Not sure — I need to have a think and do some more homework.

      • WALL UP

        Be careful Rob. A balanced life is the best life to live. You’ve been completely outstanding in what you’ve been doing. Sometimes this can be taken for granted by others, not knowing the work being done by you, burning the midnight oil. Make sure you hug wife and kids.😊

        • Rob Staton

          I’m blessed with a very understanding wife.

  22. Trevor

    Really looking forward to seeing how some of these enormous OL men move tonight. I think it is one of the best groups in a long time.

    Really liking the idea of Isiah Wilson at #27 more and more all the time. Then Raekwon Davis and a WR as Rob mocked the other day. Hope Wilson tests well but not too well or he could be long gone by 27.

    • Rob Staton

      The good thing is the depth — I’m intrigued to see Ezra Cleveland today.

      • WALL UP

        Strength is a bit of concern wouldn’t you say. He’s more of a catcher than a puncher. He does keep his hands clean inside, but can be moved aside when bodied up with inside counters. Playing RT may not be his best position in the Hawks scheme, unless he test exceptionally well. How was his BP?

        • Rob Staton

          30 reps

          One of the best performers

          • WALL UP

            33 1/2 inch arm length a factor? Maybe not, but it does help. It’s hard to see him on the edge with his length. Reminds me of Pocic, light feet with less play strength to be a mauler @ RT. Let’s see his broad & vert #s. Potential center aka Britt?

            • Rob Staton

              They drafted Britt with that arm length to play RT.

            • WALL UP

              I think we’re saying the same thing but differently, perhaps. Britt found his true position playing center. He had the same reach problems playing on the edge. That’s why they changed him to play center.

      • Trevor

        I have not studied him at all but I know Tony Pauline loves him.

      • Sea Mode

        When he does blow up the Combine today, you can post this that I just stumbled across:

  23. Trevor

    I am not great with trade value since they moved away from the Jimmy Johnson Chart.

    What would it take for the Hawks to move up from 64 to the middle of Rd 2 say #50 as the Bears seem like they need more draft capital?

    • Kingdome1976

      I would be interested as well. Having 2 second round picks I could see us moving up 10-15 spots and taking somebody who falls. My guess is it would take our 3rd round comp pick. But maybe we could give up a 4th and 5th or something.

      Anybody know the point chart or have precedent for this kind of move?

      • Rob Staton

        They traded up from #56 to #49 in 2016 and gave up a fourth rounder (#124).

        Last year they also traded up from #77 to #64 and gave up a fourth rounder (#118).

      • Sea Mode

        It’s not perfect or mathematical, but it’s a good starting point:

        Using it is the same as the Jimmy Johnson chart, only updated to take into account the average value of trades made in recent years.

        Rob does well though to back it up with examples of what it took in recent history, I just wanted to share the tool.

        • Trevor

          Thanks guys.

          • Greg Haugsven

            I would also assume if they did trade up in the second the other team would want 59 and not 64.

  24. Sea Mode

    After finally getting a chance to sort and color code my spreadsheet and watch some of the WR drills from yesterday, I’m actually most interested in looking into some possible day 3 WRs in case PC/JS decide to go OL, DL, RB early. They would be smaller, inside-outside guys mostly competition with Ursua and complements to Lockett and DK.

    When we can get catch rates for these guys, it might help to narrow it down even more, but for now, these three impressed me catching the ball very naturally in the gauntlet:

    Boise St. WR John Hightower

    6014, 189, 31 1/2 arm, 9 3/4 hand, 4.43 40yd, 38.5 vert, 10’2″ broad, 4.21 SS, 7.07 3C

    2018 (9): 31rec/504yds/6TD, 16.3 ypc
    2019 (14): 51rec/943yds/8TD, 18.5 ypc

    JUCO transfer who only played two years at BSU. He was listed at 180, 185 at Shrine Game, and now up to 189. As you can see from his testing numbers, even with the added weight, he has both the long speed and the quicks. I read he is a tenacious downfield blocker, though I have yet to watch his games and confirm it. Also averaged 24.6 yds and scored 1 TD on kick returns in 2019, so there is value there as well.

    When I watch highlights, I see a lot of similarities to Paul Richardson. He is a huge deep threat, but can also take a slant or a jet sweep to the house. Smooth mover and he catches with his hands and adjusted to the ball extremely well in the gauntlet drill.

    If I had to pick one of these three right now, I’d say he is the most “Seahawky” looking to me. And he will likely get pushed down a lot further than he should due to the deep WR class.

    Boise State WR John Hightower Highlight Reel – 2019 Season | Stadium

    Texas WR Devin Duvernay

    5104, 200, 30 5/8 arm, 9 1/2 hand, 4.39 40yd, 35.5 vert, 10’3″ broad, 4.2 SS, 7.13 3C

    Duvernay is your more typical slot receiver size, and a true burner with the ability to go deep who caught my (and others’ on here) eye at the Sr. Bowl 1v1s.

    2018 (14): 41rec/546yds/4TD, 13.3 ypc
    2019 (13): 106rec/1386yds/10TD, 13.1 ypc

    Had a huge breakout year at Texas this past year. Also averaged 20.5yds on 10 kick returns last year. In highlights, as you can see, he’s a little blur of energy and athleticism, with both YAC and route running ability. His compact build allows him to slip some tackles as well.

    Texas WR Devin Duvernay Highlight Reel – 2019 Season | Stadium

    He looked good in the gauntlet drill as well, though he was a little off the line.

    Florida WR Freddie Swain

    6002, 197, 30 5/8 arm, 9 hand, 4.46 40yd, 36.5 vert, 10’4″ broad, 4.26 SS, 7.05 3C

    Unlike the other two, Swain was a name I hadn’t even heard prior to the Combine, but the testing numbers sent me back to the tape. He was at the Shrine Game.

    2018 (11): 14rec/265yds/0TD, 18.9 ypc
    2019 (12): 38rec/517yds/7TD, 13.6 ypc

    His lack of production will probably make him no more than a UDFA depth and ST guy, but he looked good in the gauntlet as well as the good testing numbers, so I looked for highlights and did see a couple nice plays out of the slot, most notably this one here at the 4:18 mark.

    Freddie Swain Career Highlights

    Anyways, let me know what you think about these guys for Seattle, especially if we don’t go WR early.

    • cha

      Great writeups Sea Mode, thanks.

      I think this is one of the terrific things about this blog. Fans are looking deep into the draft and not just focused on the first 60 picks. It’s not just thorough, with PC and JS trading down and consistently finding good players in the mid to late rounds, it’s another way to look at the draft as they do.

    • Trevor

      I guess I need to study some Boise St tape with both Cleveland and Hightower being the focus.

    • RealRhino2

      Great ride ups! Duvernay caught my eye, As I would love a good YAC guy and not just a quick, catch it and fall down guy for us.

    • Jace

      Thanks for writing this up! I’m starting to like Duvernay a lot. Good testing numbers and great production last year to go with it.

  25. Ralphy

    Rob what are your thoughts on the Seahawks plan with Josh Gordon. Based on his Twitter account it appears that he has stayed in the PNW. Do you think he’s a candidate to be reinstated if the new CBA passes? Perhaps him and the Hawks are in agreement that he will be back with them when it passes?

    • cha

      I’m guessing you’re implying the new CBA loosens the rules on marijuana? Remember he was suspended for PEDs as well not just substance abuse. So there’s more obstacles to overcome.

      My take is the Hawks would handle it similarly to last year. If they have a crying need and he’s available, they’ll take a look. But don’t hold your breath.

    • Rob Staton

      Maybe. But the problem is we don’t know anything about Josh Gordon and his issues. Everyone offers him sympathy and I get it. Yet it’s presumed he just has a weed issue or that he takes it for medical benefit and he’s being harshly treated. In reality, none of us know the extent or detail of his problems or why he’s been suspended. Chris Simms speculated on PFT, unwisely, that it was more than just weed.

      Personally I have no faith in him playing full seasons of reliable football. If he comes to camp, fine. But for me he’s not someone I’d be banking on being any kind of factor.

      • Ralphy

        Fair enough and thank for replying. Yes Cha the new CBA will be lighter on marijuana and Ive heard speculation that this suspension was for that. I personally think it’s interesting that he has stayed in the area. We’ll see. He’s an interesting backup plan.

  26. Kingdome1976

    I can still see us trading for Diggs. The Vikings GM seemed a bit…sheepish… about it when asked if Diggs would be traded. They all have to hold their cards tight for better value but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we already have something in the works.

    I also felt like their coach pulled a shallow move by seemingly appeal to Griffin’s mental state by saying he thought it would be a good idea if he came back to the team.

  27. JJ

    Rob and crew,

    Thanks so much for the work on the blog and the comments. It is a great follow. Don’t have time to watch it on TV or catch much of it on the internet. This is a great one stop shop.

    Rob I don’t know how you do it with two kids. I have two as well and I am drained at the end of the day.

    • Rob Staton

      Thanks JJ. It was a much greater challenge yesterday with it starting at 9pm and ending at 4am UK time. But it’s worth the effort for all the info we get. Bring on the OL’s and RB’s.

  28. cha

    Adam Schefter
    The Arizona Cardinals will be the home team for the NFL’s game in Mexico in 2020.
    8:03 AM · Feb 28, 2020

    • Rob Staton

      Apparently it’s Miami vs Seahawks in London.

      • Coleslaw

        Really? Man I love Miami games and I was unable to watch the last one.
        I’ve been waiting so long for that game and it’s in freaking London?? 😑

        • Rob Staton

          That’s the talk over here.

      • cha

        Wow! Is that confirmed Rob?

        Get your press credentials all set for that one!

        • Rob Staton

          Not confirmed but been talked about for a while.

      • Sea Mode

        Heck yeah! Rob in the media, plus we rock at London games!

  29. cortone

    Hey Rob,

    Excited about the OLinemen today.

    Any chance you could calc a default value for the long list of players who can’t be run through the TEF/wTEF machine? Maybe the mean # of reps from the other participants, with an asterisk. Median or mode might make sense. Or an “eyeball” value, as long as it is explained.

    • Rob Staton

      In the past I’ve given them the benefit of the doubt and calculated the average bench press of a draft class just to they have a score. However, that undercuts anyone who is good at the drill and equally benefits those who aren’t. And if you’re not testing, the chances are you’re not good at the bench.

      After the combine I might calculate this for those not benching for the purpose of a discussion.

      • JUJUS

        I suspect that Logan Sternberg though he didnt do the bench would have put up Good #’s

      • Coleslaw

        It could be a low/avg/high score for them. I think that would he the most fair way to test them. Might be confusing but it at least highlights what they did do, and gives an idea for any range of possible BP outcomes

      • cortone

        Thanks Rob, I appreciate your enormous efforts.

        There’s always a caveat to creating a workaround along these lines, just as you point out. The median might be a good option since it can balance the extremes if it varies much from the mean.

        Another option, and I suggest this without having a clue how much effort the process involves, is to choose a default value, and input it for all of the players, not just the non-participants. It effectively levels the playing field across the board and would allow a comparison of the other aspects of TEF. Comparing the differences between the two processes would be very interesting for the players who did participate as well.

  30. Rob Staton

    Couple of points…

    Tony Pauline saying teams have Andrew Thomas & Tristan Wirfs as OT1 & OT2. He says teams are projecting Jedrick Wills to guard. The #1 draft insider in the league cutting through the crap and delivering the best info. This is what we’ve been saying for weeks. No idea how suddenly Wills was seen as a top-five OT.

    Also, keep Hunter Bryant in the forefront of your minds. The Seahawks added Greg Olsen but Bryant literally fit their agility testing ideals. We saw a year ago — Cody Barton and BBK fit their ideals and they drafted them despite re-signing Wright/Kendricks. Pete Carroll’s nudge and point before his forty had a deadly serious look to it. He’s on their radar.

    Let’s wait until the combine is over but I’ll say this — they have three picks in R1-2. If they could trade down and get one of these excellent RB’s, Hunter Bryant and tap into this excellent looking OL group… it might not fill their biggest needs but they’ll be getting a TON of talent and value out of this class. Let’s hope they address the defense fully in FA.

    • Matt

      What round?

      • Rob Staton

        For Hunter Bryant? Probably one of the two R2’s.

        • Ashish

          Rob, how is Hunter Bryant blocking skills? Apologies if you have already talked about it.

          On other topic John Clayton in 10 mins he got so much out of Pete. Leo position you keep talking, you are spot on. I kinda think offseason will go as you mention, a lot of activity in defense pass rushers mainly speed guy LEO in FA. They are counting lot on Green and L.J in 5T. In draft OL, RB, WR, TE will be picked first.
          Can’t wait for March..

          • Rob Staton

            I liked Bryant as a blocker. Clearly not his primary role or something you’d expect him to do a ton of at the next level. He’s not a Y tight end. But he gave good effort and was somewhat successful.

        • Matt

          Are you actually comfortable with him in R2?

          Personally, I think he would be a catastrophic mistake until R4. I really am concerned about his drops and injury history. He’s not going to separate in the NFL – he has to get better catching the ball with guys all over him.

          • Matt

            *Catastrophic is way too hyperbolic. Simply, I think he is a very poor choice in the top 64.

          • Rob Staton

            I am very comfortable with it if they put themselves in a position to make the pick. What I mean by that is — they come out of free agency with clear answers at positions like DL and OL.

            I think Bryant can be a truly dynamic weapon.

            • Matt

              I can understand that.

              I am still not seeing what you see in Bryant – but that’s what makes this stuff fun.

              Hypothetical – would you rather have Claypool or Bryant at pick 64?

              • Rob Staton

                Bryant for sure.

                His ability to operate from the slot, ghost into zone and find wide open space is excellent. He runs across the field as well as the most dynamic TE’s in the league (and that’s where we’ve struggled vs Higby and Kittle). He can run a corner route and separate. The drops are overrated for me — I think he has good, soft hands overall.

                They could draft him instead of a receiver.

                • Matt

                  Fair enough. Thanks for the response.

    • Volume12

      What made ya change your mind from yesterday?

      • Rob Staton

        I just didn’t agree with the scenario (hedge).

        • Volume12


          While it’s of course true, you also mentioned that just because they met with him doesn’t mean he’s a target.

          • Volume12

            * possibly met with him

            I just think there’s a LOT of smoke there. And Pete, bless his heart, has never been able to not wear his heart on his sleeve.

          • Rob Staton

            I think for me the key info since then is the agility testing — which is in their ballpark — and the performance of the WR’s. I now think they could take Bryant instead of a WR.

            • Volume12

              Makes sense. I kinda figured it might be the agility but didn’t wanna put words in your mouth.

    • Aaron’s Bostrom

      Way to stick to your guns, Rob! Too many “experts” seem to just rely on what the other experts do without having any personal knowledge of the prospect.

  31. JUJUS

    Obviously the Hawks Love certain Traits, and there is some DEEP WR value here.

    Personally after yesterday the name the stood out to me the most that I hadnt seen was

    Donovan People-Jones Michigan WR

    I know we have been hurt by Amarah Darboh, but this guy is EXPLOSIVE the 4th highest Vertical ever, he is Dynamic as a KR/Pr and has a high TD % in a pro style offense that has been held down by trash QB’s.

    He is a former 5 star #1 recruit in the nation… bonafide freak who may find his ceiling with an Elite QB. I see him as a 3-4th Rd guy atm.

    Open to any thoughts.

    • Matt

      I love the idea of DPJ in R3. I don’t ever see him becoming a consistent WR, but as a WR3 and special teams guy – I think he is worthy of the selection.

      Caveat, you would still need to add a more pure WR with him – so that’s where it gets tricky. Not sure they would do it, but I would love to see a trade down from 27 to net an extra 3rd, which puts you at 5 picks in the top 100 – again, they won’t do it, but I’d love to see 2 pass catchers in those 5 picks. RW deserves more – don’t care if they are a WR or a TE.

      • TomLPDX

        I think it might also hinge on what PC/JS think Ursua will do next year – only they know that answer. They held on to him for a reason and started to get him on the field in the last games and after the comment from JS about still seeing him on the board and jumping back in to get him made me think they have a good opinion of him.

    • JimQ

      DPJ’s Career #’s of 743-yards on 90 punt returns with 2 TD’s is an average of 8.25-yds per punt return, NOT BAD, but hardly elite. In 2019 he had 24/173/7.21-ypr, 0-TD’s, good for #37 in FBS. DPJ has no KO return yards in his career at all. A career 8.25/yds per punt return is good, but hardly “dynamic”. For “dynamic” punt returners I’d look at WR Jalen Reagor, 2019: 15/312/20.80-ypr (#2 in FBS) and WR-Brandon Aiyuk, 2019: 14/226/16.14-ypr (#3 in FBS). Both should be considered very much “dynamic” punt returners.

      Not every player can play the kick return positions and of those that do play it, only a few can do this difficult job – really well – and should be considered elite or dynamic. KO returns may go away eventually but great punt returns are very valuable on game days in terms of field position change.

  32. Volume12

    That 7.31 3 cone for Reagor is…woof. Did he focus too much on gaining weight?

    I don’t think this gets said enough. Last years WR class was extremely good and athletic. Just wasn’t anyone at the top to put on the marquee so to speak. Was probably always gonna be tough to duplicate that.

    30 receivers worthy of being a #1 or #2 receiver in the 1st 3 rounds of a single draft class. GTFO.

    • Matt

      I agree…I think Reagor put on too much weight. He plays significantly faster than a 4.47 and his agility seemed great on video. Very odd but could be a blessing if that pushes him down the board.

      I still see him as a “can’t pass on him” if he’s available at our pick. I just can’t unsee what he was able to put on tape – I mean he was dynamic.

      • Volume12

        Oh the tape is excellent.

        A good example of what Bruce Arians meant.

        • Matt

          Exactly. You could see DK struggle with agility at Ole Miss. Didn’t get a whiff of that on Reagor.

          And honestly – while I’d love all my WRs to have high agility scores; the position isn’t reactive like a DB or a LB. I think as long as you have a dynamic skill set that opposing Ds need to account for, that’s what matters. For someone like Lockett – that happens to be agility. For Metcalf and Reagor? Pure explosive ability.

          Maybe that’s how we should really look at WRs…do they have a skill that demands the defense pay attention to? As much as I like Lamb and Jeudy – I’m not sure I love them on the Seahawks. They are more technicians which I think isn’t as big of a deal in this offense.

  33. Kingdome1976

    Anybody think Hunter Bryant reminds you of Jordan Reed?

    • Rob Staton

      Very much so. But with better character.

      • Simo

        And hopefully much better health as well.

  34. Volume12

    Austin Hooper better be praying to god he’s a free agent this off-season and not next. Look at this TE class. Bonkers.

    Florida’s Kyle Pitts
    Penn St’s Pat Frieirmuth
    Miami’s Brevin Jordan
    A&M’s Jalen Wydermyer
    Wisconsin’s Jake Ferguson
    BYU’s Matt Bushman
    Iowa St’s Charlie Kolar
    Utah’s Brant Kuithe

    And this is just a handful of em.

    • Volume12

      * how thankful he is that he’s a FA this off-season not next

    • Trevor

      I think this is a big reason why they pushed hard for Olsen. Weak TE class this year and loaded next year. Olsen is the ideal 1 yr bridge option instead of paying crazy $ to a guy like Hooper.

  35. Matt

    Here’s where I’m at in regards to what I think they will do, not what I necessarily want them to do:

    Trade back from 27 into the 40s and recoup a 3rd rounder.

    40s: DT Raekwon Davis – Phyiscal Presence on the interior. This is an upside pick.
    59: WR/H-Back Chase Claypool – I think they will see a unique skillset that can dominate 3rd down and the RZ.
    64: OC Lloyd Cushenberry – Solid OC prospect that can start day 1.
    R3 (via trade): OT Ezra Cleveland – Solid OT prospect that can compete to contribute right away.
    R3 Comp: WR Devin DuVernay – Yes, 2 WRs. This is your smaller shiftier, separation guy.
    R4: DB Jeremy Chinn – Studly athlete. Can probably play S or convert to a CB.

    To me, this is about becoming a bigger, more athletic team. Davis is the anti-Collier pick. If we strike out on Davis, it will not be due to physical limitations.

    I think you see a double dip with “pass catchers.” To me, Claypool is a better version of Hunter Bryant while offering more flexibility. DuVernay gives you a legit co #3 (with CC).

    Cushenberry and Cleveland give you 2 potential long term starters on the OL.

    Chinn gives you a high upside DB that is the closest thing we have seen to Kam Chancellor – just a better athlete.

    • Trevor

      Not sure if it is realistic but I would love that draft. I would switch Chinn for a fast linebacker but I really like his potential too.

      • Matt

        I think Chinn can become like Kam Chancellor – so he fills the “fast LBer” void for me. Outside the box.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      There’s no chance Cleveland lasts into R3. This is from Tony Pauline:

      “Boise State tackle Ezra Cleveland continues to move up draft boards, as I expected he would. He completed 30 reps on the bench press yesterday and just missed finishing rep number 31. Expect fast times from Cleveland today, as he could potentially get under 4.9 seconds. Speaking with several people, it seems the Cleveland Browns like Cleveland (no pun intended) a lot. I could see the Browns trading a few slots down in round one if one of their higher-rated tackles is not available when they are on the clock to then select the Boise State junior. Cleveland won’t be available to the Browns in the second round.“

      Also from Pauline about Jedrick Willis, which is a lot more in alignment with his game tape:

      “Moving in the other direction is Jedrick Wills, as teams are concerned about his ability to mentally process a complex blocking scheme. Some teams now project Wills to guard.”

      • Matt

        I was just going off CBS Draft rankings. No doubt guys like Cleveland will rise in this process.

        • Rob Staton

          Avoid CBS

          • Matt

            Unfortunately, I’ve yet to find a real solid site that offers a solid list that expands past 50.

    • Jace

      I like it. I wouldn’t mind doubling up on receivers in this class especially if we came away with both Claypool and DuVernay.

    • dcd2

      I don’t think we use a 2nd and a 3rd for WR. That being said, I like all of the guys you’ve listed.

      I’m not nearly as high on Claypool as the rest of SDB seems to be. Yes, he’s a physical freak and he could create mismatches, but is that what our team is most in need of with a 2nd rounder?

      Consider this:
      Player A: 6’4, 220, 4.43 (40), 43.5 (vert), 6.77 (3 cone), 4.07 (short shuttle)
      Player B: 6’4, 238, 4.42 (40), 40.5 (vert), 3- cone/short shuttle TBD

      Player B is Claypool and even if he smashes the 3 cone and short shuttle, he’s basically player A (Miles Boykin). Is Boykin what puts this team over the top?

      Also, watch Claypool’s gauntlet drill. He made every catch, but I don’t think one of them was clean.

      I think a RB over a second WR makes more sense.

      If we could get Mims/Bryan Edwards + CEH/Dobbins/MacFarland, I would take that over Claypool and DuVernay.

      • Matt

        Great comment.

        I really view Claypool in the mold of an uber specialist. I would expect his role to be like a pass catching TE, rather than a true 3rd WR, if that makes sense. I really view him in a Hunter Bryant like role.

        I much prefer Mims, but i think he goes much higher than anticipated and in a range where we can’t get him without severely over-drafting.

        And I also agree on the RB over 2nd WR – but again, I think Dobbins/CEH go in a range that just doesn’t make sense for us. I love MacFarland, but I don’t think he is on SEA radar. Just never seen them draft a guy like him as early as he is going to go.

        Thanks for the great response!

        • dcd2

          Claypool could indeed thrive in a creative offense. I’m not sure Seattle would be a great landing spot for him though.

          It is always fun to see who drops or rises compared to what we expect. Maybe RB sticks around longer than we thought. Maybe Claypool lasts until round 5 because teams don’t know how they would use him.

          I put more faith in Rob’s opinion that pretty much anyone, and still disagree with him at times.

          Last year he had Juwaan Taylor at #12, and he lasted to #35. Cody Ford at #14, he went #38. Greedy Williams at #20, and he went #46.

          Now, Juwaan Taylor was probably the best rookie OT in the league last year, so this disparity is not meant to knock Rob. You just never know who might fall a bit (outside of the top 5-10) and be available when we’re on the clock.

          For the record, I really wanted D’Andre Walker (LB-UGA) last year and thought he was a 3rd round guy. He lasted until the 5th and missed all of last year with a torn ACL. The year before, I loved Mo Hurst and thought he should be our #1 (before the heart issues popped up), and he lasted to the 5th as well. Jury is still out on those guys, but it does clearly show that I don’t have all the answers.

          Last year, I remember listening on the radio to guys going over a mock of DK to the Hawks at #21. The radio guys were incredulous at the thought of DK slipping to us at 21. He had to be a top 10, or at least top 15 pick. Whoops!

  36. Coleslaw

    Couple more names on the visit list for Seattle: Trevon Diggs and Kristian Fulton.

    • Aaron Bostrom

      Interesting as they should go early. Maybe just due diligence though

      • Coleslaw

        With JS’ comments the other day about “treating NCB as a starter”, I wouldnt br surprised if we did draft a CB earlier than ever for that role. There are really good options this year, CBs and safeties.

        • Rob Staton

          I think they’ll address nickel but not early in the draft. They have literally never done that. They will find a couple of profile guys. People forget they’ve had a fair amount of success doing that at NCB.

          • dcd2

            Agree, and Pete mentioned that Ugo did a nice job at NCB, so they may have some level of faith in him for that role.

            I think you look for measurable’s that comp to Coleman and go from there. Pete has also mentioned Coleman a couple of times this off-season.

          • Zeke

            Maybe I’m just a homer, but wonder about Sidney Jones and if he’d be available for a later round pick?

        • Trevor

          Would love to see them target Kendall Fuller free agent from KC to play the slot. He was really good in that role before the Chiefs moved him outside.

          • Greg Haugsven

            Amik Robertson, future slot corner.

            • WALL UP

              With you 100%. Hope JS & Co feel the same way.

  37. Cameron

    Of the four identified TE’s, I like the sound of Lance’s eval of Taumoepeau.

    “Went into the tape study looking for athleticism and catch production but came away impressed with his attitude and consistency of effort as a run blocker… Taumoepeau has average size and athletic traits but needs to play faster and with more focused burst to improve separation against NFL coverages.

    – Plays with initial quickness out of stance
    – Hands catcher who picks it away from his frame
    – Physical runner after catch
    – Good, tough demeanor as a blocker

    – Doesn’t have imposing speed or quickness
    – Will struggle to separate against NFL man coverage
    – May need scheme/alignment help against press
    – Needs to play with more consistent route speed ”

    Sounds like a day 3 selection with a chance to develop into a Zach Miller / Will Dissly style TE. The others appear much more in the mold of a move TE that you’d hope to teach to block.

    • Volume12

      Also a local guy too.

      His combine, plus the fact he was a SR bowl guy, made my antennae pick up. That’s the type you throw a dart at late on day 3.

      • Cameron

        Yes, forgot to mention that bit, him being from Federal Way.

    • God of Thunder

      “Will struggle yo separate against NFL defences” … man I hate reading those words. That’s a big red beach towel sized flag for me.

  38. drewdawg11

    For whatever reason, I hadn’t seen a lot of Denzel Mims. After the combine I found a lot of highlights, not a ton of game film yet, but wow. How was this guy flying under the radar? His QB was average at best, but this kid wins contested throws and he can break away if given a sliver of space. He’s very impressive to watch. I feel like the Hawks could own the early part of the second round if they played things correctly, (and if someone needs to move up for a QB). There are so many dudes that could be available.

    • Trevor

      I think they would have to move in front of Carolina in Rd #2. The Panthers need a WR and Rhule was his coach at Baylor. Have to think he knows just how good this kid is.

      • dcd2

        Carolina has DJ Moore and Curtis Samuel as two of the best up and coming WR in the NFL. They were also just about dead last in points allowed and near the bottom in run D. They also lost Keuchly, so that defense is full of holes.

        I would be shocked in the Panthers used a high pick on WR, with all of the other needs that they have.

  39. Sea Mode

    Lol. Actually betting money on predicting the draft is crazy, but at least it’s going to charity I guess. Anyways, who y’all got?

    Adam Schefter

    Here we go: @McShay13 bet @MelKiperESPN $5,000 that Jordan Love will go ahead of Justin Herbert in April’s draft; loser of the bet sends $5,000 to the @TheVFoundation.

    • Volume12


      Mel will never pay up. Still waiting on him to hang it up after he said he would if Jimmy Claussen wasn’t a franchise signal caller.

      • cha

        Or Hugh to eat his microphone.

        • Greg Haugsven

          Herbert will go first.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        I’m pretty impressed with Herbert’s overall athleticism

  40. Awsi Dooger

    Tee Higgins is resting for the same reason Chase Young rested. Higgins put up the 4.75 in the 40 in high school and it’s probably not significantly improved now.

    More and more of these guys are going to rest. Let’s face it, it worked out for Seahawk fans but no question Metcalf would have been drafted considerably higher if he rested through those quickness drills. He had posted the 4.44 in high school shuttle then once he bulked up considerably in college it rose to 4.50

    • Greg Haugsven

      The guys who are projected first rounders shouldn’t test. They have nothing to gain and everything to lose. A guy like Chaisson though should be testing.

      • Eburgz

        Chaisson is projected first round and everyone assumes he’s a good athlete. By your logic he shouldn’t test. I think all these guys should test if they want to be picked high.

  41. J

    How about Dez Patmon at WR. 6’4, 225. Ran a 4.48 40, 11 ft broad jump, 36 inch vertical. Middle of the pack in agility, 7.28 three cone, 4.38 short shuttle. Strong numbers overall.

  42. Kingdome1976

    IMO… TE Trautman will end up being the best TE of the bunch at the next level.

  43. Jace

    Anyone else extremely impressed by Dillon’s numbers at that weight? 247 pounds and a 41 inch vert. That’s insane!

  44. STTBM

    Rob, really liked your point that if Lockett gets hurt, Hawks are in trouble. It would be great to draft a somewhat similar player. And a guy like Deebo Samuel would sure look good in blue…but I am hoping Ursua takes a big leap in development, and I dont think Seattle would mind finding another big fast WR because injuries happen even to Superfreaks like Metcalf. Besides, Seattle signed Josh Gordon last year but he wont likely be here….long winded way if saying I wont be surprised if they get a Lockett or Metcalf hedge.

    Surprised so many seem to want Gordon back. It looks like he may have serioys substance abuse issues, though as you say, no one knows. The big thing for me though is he failed to separate. And looked really slow. I like the kid, but he cant be trusted and hes lost what made him special

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