Curtis Allen’s week seventeen watchpoints (vs Jets)

This is a guest article by Curtis Allen.

I will be hosting national radio coverage on BBC Radio Five Live Extra in the UK of the Jets vs  Seahawks. It is available online here. After the game tune into the instant reaction live stream which will be available on here and on our YouTube channel.

If you missed my thoughts on the CFB playoffs yesterday, click here.

And Happy New Year!

The Seahawks are playing a mirror image of themselves on Sunday in a lot of ways.

Both teams stand at 7-8 with their playoff lives on the line.  They both shocked the league by starting out 6-3 but have since badly regressed by dropping five of their last six and are stumbling to the finish line.  There is a reasonable argument to be made that both would be better off missing the playoffs and drafting in the top 10-12 picks next year rather than in the early 20’s.

They both feature a top-10 unit on one side of the ball (Seahawks offense and Jets defense) and a bottom-10 unit (vice versa) on the other side that has weighed them down like a millstone around their neck.

So the matchup will be very intriguing.  Strength against strength and weakness against weakness.

What can the Seahawks do to win this game?

Watch how much these teams mirror each other…

When the Seahawks Have the Ball

Robert Saleh has created a defense in New York rooted in some very similar principles to what he helped employ when on the staff in Seattle for Super Bowl 48.

They might be the best team in the NFL at getting pressure with only their front four players.

Evidence:  They are dead last in the NFL in blitzing rate, sending an extra rusher on a measly 14.7% of plays.  But they are ninth in the league in sacks and eighth in pressures — generating pressure on the quarterback 23.3% of the time.

That is impressive.  They are occupying five linemen with four rushers and ‘gaining’ an extra defender on the bulk of their plays.  They utilize that defender roaming around that second level, waiting to plaster any receiver who dares run a crossing or a slant route.

Add to that they have two very good corners in Sauce Gardner and old friend D.J. Reed. Moving the ball makes for some tough sledding at times.  They are fourth in the NFL in scoring defense and fifth in passing defense.

What do the Seahawks need to employ to win the field position game and get points on this defense?

Commit to Running the Ball

The Jets are eleventh in the NFL in rushing defense.  That is very good but the teams that had success against those early Seahawks teams ran the ball and did not stray from the formula.  They had an absolute commitment to getting the tough yards on the ground and staying balanced.

It will not be easy.  The offensive line needs to find ways to open up some room for Ken Walker and Walker needs to display the commitment he showed last Saturday against the Chiefs in the second half.

In reviewing tape of the Jet defense, I see that they consistently have good downs but are vulnerable to the explosive run.  At times, the offensive line can handle the down linemen four on four and that frees up a tackle or guard to pull and lead the runner through the hole and take on that pursuing linebacker or safety.  Their aggressive nature can open some nice lanes for runners if you are patient enough.

The Seahawks need to load the line of scrimmage with muscle.  That may mean using the tight ends in a more inline formation.  Of course, their best blocking tight end, Will Dissly, is out for this game.  So, they will need to come up with some creative solutions.  Noah Fant needs to step up.  Perhaps they bring Stone Forsythe in on a jumbo package and force the Jets to bring more players down into the box.

How does this help, besides the obvious physicality of the game?  It puts the Jets in more of a big package and limits their speed and downhill ability on defense.

If they can keep balance, it will help Geno Smith tremendously.  It will keep the later downs manageable and pay dividends later in the game.

Having the tight ends loaded on the field also has other uses…

Use the Tight Ends Liberally in the Passing Game

The Jets are in the bottom-ten of teams in the league in defending tight ends.  Only five teams have had more tight ends targets and completions on defense and only seven have allowed more yards in the passing game to tight ends.

C.J. Mosely, Quincy Williams, Kwon Alexander and Lamarcus Joiner are all less effective when in coverage than when they are playing to tackle runners.  Williams is allowing an 85.7% completion rate when targeted.

Using the tight ends a lot helps with the pass rush.  Geno Smith can make quick decisions and get the ball out of his hands.  If the Seahawks have an up-tempo short passing game that is effective, it can help the offensive linemen keep the game in hand.

Take What the Defense Gives You

This was a critical part of moving the ball on the old Seahawks.  Their defense was so good, teams ran into a wall when they insisted on implementing their style of play on offense.

Teams that were precise, deliberate and took their time nearly always had success against the Seahawks.  The defense was designed specifically to not allow explosive plays and deep shots and for the most part it worked.  The tradeoff was allowing all kinds of underneath passes and short 3 or 4-yard chunk runs.  

It was a gamble that teams could not consistently move the ball enough on consecutive downs.  A penalty, a dropped pass, a tackle for loss would inevitably occur and put the team behind the sticks, which allowed the pass rush to pin their ears back and go after the quarterback.

The Jets employ a very similar tactic.  You can move on them if you are patient.  If you have a quarterback who scans the field quickly and makes good decisions.  That includes taking the six yards of open field right in front of you when no passing options are available.

It also means not shying away from using your weapons…

Take Your Shot When It is Available

Successful teams did not live in fear of the Seahawks defense, they just had immense respect for it.  They knew that if they successfully established their patterns above on offense, that opportunities to strike would present themselves when timed properly.  The Seahawks need to effectively pick their spots on Sunday against this defense.

Sauce Gardner and D.J. Reed are good cornerbacks but they have not faced a duo like Lockett and Metcalf yet.  

If the offense can get some rhythm, some quick passes and effective inside runs, the defensive front will be slightly more malleable to being controlled and kept in check when they take a shot on this defense.


All of these are long-winded ways of saying they need to find a way to not let Quinnen Williams take over this game.  Once again, the interior of the offensive line will have their hands full with one of the game’s best defensive tackles.

What makes him so good?  He can affect the offense from the 3-tech, 5-tech or nose tackle spots.  He can take on double teams regularly.  He has speed, strength and quickness.

Maybe his secret technique of simultaneously blessing and thanking himself is paying off.

The Seahawks offense versus the Jets defense will be the more intriguing matchup.  

When the other units are on the field, that’s where it gets ugly.

When the Jets Have the Ball

This is a matchup of units that are slumming it.

The Jets are 25th in the NFL in scoring offense and the Seahawks defense is 29th.

Their rushing offense is 24th and the Seahawks are 31st.

It is not pretty.  

Who can put a better game plan together?  Who will make the least number of mistakes?  That may be the deciding factor in winning this matchup.

Keep the Run Game from Giving the Offense Balance

The Jets might have the worst run game in the NFL.

Breece Hall is on the Injured Reserve list and has been for the last two months.  Yet incredibly, he is still the Jets’ leading rusher.  Everyone else in the running back room is averaging 3.77 yards per carry.

Zonovan Knight has been their main ball carrier of late.  He is at 3.9 yards per carry, mostly off the back of an ‘8-10 runs of no or minimal gain followed by an explosive run’ pattern of play.  It is not fatal when he’s explosive if it is mixed around several plays of the other variety.

They do like to utilize Elijah Moore on jet sweeps and other creative plays out of the backfield, so the edges of the defense will need to be aware and attack those opportunities.

The Seahawks stopped their bad stretch of games with over 200 yards of rushing allowed in the loss to Kansas City on Saturday.  They hailed it as big progress for the defense.

A similar performance by the defense on Sunday would be another step in the right direction.  This should be low-hanging fruit.  The Jets are toothless in the run game and their strategy offensively is to just keep running the ball at the defense and hope the runner breaks one eventually.

It is critical that they stop the run though.  When the Jets get 100 yards rushing, they are 5-2.  When they do not, they are 2-6.

Why?  The running game takes the pressure off their awful quarterback play and gives the defense rest.  Mike White works best when he only has about 25-30 throws per game.

Which brings us too…

Do Not Let Mike White be Effective

White is making a name for himself as the preferred option at quarterback over top pick Zach Wilson.  He is crisp with his play, decisive and has a good arm.  He has also been able to develop some chemistry with their other first-round pick, Garrett Wilson.

His game is quick, accurate throws with some deeper throws mixed in.  He can get the ball out of his hands and avoid the pass rush on the bulk of his plays.

To illustrate:  in nine games, Zach Wilson has a pressure rate of 26.60% with 2.5 seconds of time in the pocket.  Only Taylor Heinicke and Russell Wilson have worse rates as starters.

White, with the same offensive line, in three games has a pressure rate of only 12.60% with 2.3 seconds of time in the pocket.  He produces stats like Tom Brady (although to be fair in only three games).  He is not the star of the game, he lets the receivers be that and his offensive line has far less work to do.  His highlights are impressive.  Snap, three steps, and throw.  He has the routine down and he keeps the offense on schedule.

Disruption of his rhythm is paramount.  The corners must be sharp.  The linemen must be ready to get their hands up and deflect some of those passes.

If the Jets can run the ball at an even average level, this opens the way for Wilson to be crisp with his passes.  If they can do both of those things effectively, White all of the sudden gets more dangerous as a passer.

According to the Jets’ team reporter — in his last three starts, White led the league with 552 passing yards on passes of 10+ air yards and had a 108.2 passer rating on such attempts.

The Jets try to soften you up in the run game and put you to sleep with quick short passes in the passing game, then hit you with some shots downfield.

The defense can save themselves an awful lot of trouble if they can just handle the foundational basics of stopping the run and disrupting some of the simpler passes.


  1. KennyBadger

    Happy New Year blog! What a great day for CFB yesterday, offensively anyway. I came away very impressed by stroud and rattler, and not so much by anyone on the defensive side of the ball in either game. While levis and Richardson didn’t play yesterday I’m not sure carter or Anderson did either.

  2. GoHawksDani

    My hopes:
    K9 will run for over a hundred yards
    Geno will be decent but sacked a lot (OTs good, iOL bad) and mostly able to throw shorter passes
    Woolen has 1 pick

    Jets win 17-16

    Good game for the youngsters but we lose and have a better shot for a higher pick

  3. Hawk Finn

    Cha, I used to really enjoy your contributions. But now, I still do.

    Sadly, I think this comes down to game-planning (advantage: Jets), and adapting to in-game adjustments, injuries, and so on (advantage: Jets). While I will be rooting for my Hawks with my heart, I really do think the Jets are just scrappy enough to get the W.

    • cha

      Cha, I used to really enjoy your contributions. But now, I still do.

      Mitch Hedberg?

      • Hawk Finn

        😉 Lost him far too soon.

        Who doesn’t love a good non sequitur?

        • Palatypus

          I really wanted to see him play chess with Steven Wright.

          • Hawk Finn


  4. Trevor

    Sam Darnikd has been really really good since they made him a starter. Zero turnovers and converting on 3rd down. Definitely a veteran option if they can’t resign Geno to a reasonable deal and draft a QB early.

  5. AlaskaHawk

    Cha – Another good analysis.

    I feel like the Seahawks started the season trying to hit quick passes and throw more to the tight ends. Somehow the team has strayed – Pete. I’m going to be envious if White gets the ball off in 2.3 seconds and Geno holds onto the ball too long. Of course we will be helped if our running game is effective but the Jets know that too.

    I don’t have much invested in this game as it only helps the Seahawks draft position if they lose. Likewise I feel that resigning Geno Smith is easier if they lose. So as a fan it’s a strange position to be in.

  6. Palatypus

    The word for the day is “knackered.” It means tired, exhausted, broken, or too old to use.

    Example: My bullocks are knackered.

    Jets 24
    Seahawks 17

  7. Big Mike

    Thanks for your excellent as always breakdown cha. Today is strength against strength and weakness v. weakness as you mentioned. May come down to whichever team’s weak area plays the best.

    • Blitzy the Clown

      Sort of a weird mutant gladiator mano a mano. I can dig it

      Look it may not be a pretty thing to say but I’ll say it because it’s my truth: I don’t want Seattle winning out their last two games mostly because I don’t want there to be any way they make the playoffs because it’ll be meaningless in that they’d be bounced immediately, but even worse, it might give Carroll hope. Hope to bring it all back one more effen time. And that, to me, would be the worst possible outcome. Not to mention the drop in first (native) pick from maybe top 10 to maybe 20.

      • Palatypus

        In the novel I am working on there is a place in Antarctica where death row inmates train to become Martian colonists. It is called Camp Hopeless.

        It will be a cold day in Camp Hopeless today.

        • Blitzy the Clown

          I’m on team Dante!

  8. Denver Hawker

    I take back everything I’ve said about my disdain for the 7th seed if it means Dan Campbell and the Lions get in.

    • Rob Staton

      It would be fun

      • Big Mike

        I’m rooting for them for sure.

  9. cha


    Penny Hart
    Artie Burns
    Travis Homer
    Ryan Neal
    Abe Lucas
    Isaiah Mack
    Vi Jones

    • Mick

      We’re weak at safety without Neal and I have little confidence in our Oline without Lucas.

      • Big Mike

        Curhan can run block if they play him over Forsyth. His pass pro is very poor however.
        Safety without Neal, agree, not good.

        • Mick

          I also prefer Curhan to Stone, but it’s gonna be a visible drop.

  10. Charles

    Game day baby! Mixed feelings today. Would love the W. Also would love better draft position and the possibility of another loss might bring the retirement idea to the forefront for PC.

  11. Rokas

    Broncos Hackett firing will not end well for us, will it?

    • Romeo A57

      I was afraid the Broncos would get a boost by firing Hackett. Kansas City had better win this game or their will be a lot of dissapointment on the SDB forum.

      • Big Mike

        Yeah and Denver plays the Chargers next week who may have nothing to play for. That could well be a Denver W I’m afraid.

        • Romeo A57

          KC held on to win, thankfully. I am hoping the Broncos bench a lot of their starters next week like Russ next week.

        • Scot04

          Agree Big Mike. Felt the same. Would feel like a big gut punch to drop from #3 down to #5. Then us make the Playoffs, and our native pick drop a ton. I Want to win today; so really need #3 pick to ease the sting of backing into the playoffs.

  12. Ron B

    Russ w a pick! Hope the game blows open.

  13. cha

    The Schefter story was all really about gum.

    A German Seahawks fan has a piece of chewed PC gum on his mantle.

  14. UkAlex6674

    That’s great being on 5 Live Extra for the game Rob. No small feat.

    And once again highlights how lucky the blog is to have a BBC professional journalist producing such quality work.

    Seahawks win 24-17

  15. Ukhawk

    Thank gosh for Chris Jones – wish we had one like him !

    • Big Mike

      Yep, Chiefs gonna hang on to win.

  16. Blitzy the Clown

    K9! WOOF WOOF!!

    • Mick

      What was that? Great start

  17. Blitzy the Clown

    Textbook by Geno

    What a way to get it going!

    • cha

      Good morning

      Good afternoon

      Good night

  18. Big Mike

    Just like cha said in his preview, go to the TEs cuz Jets are weak against them.

  19. Chris

    I was late turning the game on and missed the k-9 run🤬

  20. Romeo A57

    I got caught watching another game and missed the K9 run. Let’s go Seahawks!

  21. cha

    “We need to get Boye Mafe more snaps”

    Starting today: Bruce Irvin

    • Big Mike

      Damn it I type too slow

    • bmseattle

      Sometimes, no matter how much you try, you just can’t get certain players into the game.

      • Tony

        There’s just no way to find time for mafe. It’s just impossible. So many things in the way. Variables and such. But always compete or something.

  22. Big Mike

    Good to see Bruce Irvin at RDE since Mafe gets most of the playing time.

    • Blitzy the Clown

      Was just about to post this

      Great to see dead ender Irvin out there instead of the future

  23. samprassultanofswat

    Broncos lose. Broncos lose. DDAAA Broncos lose!!!

  24. Rokas

    Did our pro bowl safety just celebrated the INT in the middle of the play, instead of concentrating to bring the ball as far as possible?

    • Blitzy the Clown

      Yes. Yes he did. Like he just made the super bowl winning play instead of his first INT of the season in Week 16

      • Blitzy the Clown

        Ok his third

        Sue me

  25. Troy

    Diggs finally with some signs of life

  26. Troy

    With the broncos loss, I think we are locked in to at least at worst the #6 pick if every other team loses and the broncos win…not shabby but obviously we will be pulling hard for another broncos loss

    • Troy

      Also everyone should be pulling for a bears win…#2 pick still in sight

    • Big Mike

      I’m pessimistic because they play the Chargers who may well have nothing to play for

  27. Blitzy the Clown

    cha sez: use those TEs!

    Geno sez: I’m writin’ back!

    • Matt

      Still the dumbest quote I’ve heard in my life.

      • 805Hawk

        Absolutely stupid.

    • cha

      Will Dissly
      Feed the boys!!!
      1:22 PM · Jan 1, 2023

  28. Mick

    Walker seems to be having a great day.

    • Big Mike

      Until Forsythe blows his block

      • bmseattle

        Stoned Forsythe.

        • Big Mike


      • DriveByPoster

        I iwas thinking about this yesterday. As I recall, Penny had his good spell at the back end of last season when Curhan & Forsythe finally got some significant play time. Last week ken Walker had his first good game for a while as soon as Curhan & Forsythe were put into the game. Something in it perhaps?

  29. Chris

    Geno should have been picked on the 3rd down

  30. Blitzy the Clown

    Listening to Rob’s video before the game (which I haven’t finished), I saw CJ Stroud do something yesterday I hadn’t seen from him before: I saw him make reads. I saw him go through progressions. And then I saw him make good decisions.

    Color me impressed

    The premium position strength of this draft class is clearly QB. We could see 4 QBs go in the top 12, and depending on which team is picking, you could see 4 totally different draft boards.

    With a top 4 pick all but guaranteed, Seattle will have an opportunity to get one of them.

    Color me hopeful

    • bmseattle

      Pete and John are responsible for this roster.

      Color me concerned.

      • Big Mike

        Once in a decade or even longer chance to draft a premium college QB. Will they do it? If Pete is still here and has his way, I say no. If John is fully in charge of the draft, I say yes.

        • Blitzy the Clown

          I’m all but convinced Schneider is drooling over the chance to get Richardson. Levis too for that matter, but especially AR

          • bmseattle

            I think (hope?) you are right.
            It helps that there isn’t a true blue chip defender to entice them.

  31. Blitzy the Clown

    Also saw that Cincinnati LB Ivan Pace declared for the draft and will attend Senior Bowl. I’m looking forward to watching him go through drills.

    He’s like the one LB in this draft I could see spending a reasonably high pick on.

  32. Mick

    Why can’t we start the run game every week like today?

  33. Blitzy the Clown

    Well now that’s a right nifty play by Geno to DJ Dallas

    Geno ice 😎

  34. Big Mike

    Boy there’s a lot of teammates happy for that kid. Guessing hes toiled hard long and in a positive fashion on the practice squad this year.

    • Feindt

      Not just this year. So happy that he has a chance to take the field today.

  35. Tony

    What is the sorcery of good play going on. Taking advantage of team weaknesses?! Who’d had thought?!

    • Matt

      Pete Carroll is literally the chick that will never go on a date with you BUT WILL ALWAYS keep you thinking there’s a chance. As soon as she’s out of your mind; random text – “hey was thinking about you…”

      Pete gives his sycophants just enough to say “see! Wait til next year!”

      • Big Mike


      • Kyle R

        This is a perfect analogy and high school me also feels attacked.

        • Matt

          We all do…that’s how I came up with it 😉

  36. Kyle R

    I’m happily almost crying with joy the use of the running game and TEs this game. Even practice squad TEs getting in on the action!!

  37. STTBM

    Is Carrol going to make us run every first down in the red zone?! That’s not fooling the Jets or anyone else…

    Congrats to Mabry on his first NFL TD! Great play call on second down.

  38. 805Hawk

    I give up. I finally think I know what the Seahawks are and what I want to happen and then they look like this against a great defense. I just don’t know any more.

    • STTBM

      They are a better than average roster with holes, hamstrung by below average coaching.

  39. Mick

    We better keep scoring every time we get the ball, the D still sucks.

  40. bmseattle


  41. Blitzy the Clown

    Nice play by Mafe

    • bmseattle

      Now we wont see him again for the rest of the game.

  42. Kyle R

    And then with all the positive feelings about the offense there is the defense to help bring everyone back down to Earth.

  43. Chris

    And mafe goes to the bench after a good play

  44. Blitzy the Clown

    That’s the play pff will base most of Barton’s grade on

    If I understand their methodology correctly

  45. Chris

    Why not just leave him in for a series so he can get into a rhythm?

    • Big Mike

      Because Pete Carroll

  46. cha

    Taylor with the jump!


  47. Blitzy the Clown

    Darrell Taylor shows up!

  48. Mick

    Aha, Taylor can still sack, I think it’s also a matter of scheme.

  49. Kyle R

    Keep attacking the edges Taylor and Mafe….Bruce can get a head start on his coaching career these last two games.

  50. Chris

    It doesn’t seem like Taylor has 7 sacks

    • Kyle R

      I agree and I think its a matter of he’d have 13-14 in the old 4-3 scheme and just plain show up more.

    • bmseattle

      Probably becasuse he isn’t consistent in his pressure.
      If he’s not getting the sack, he’s usually not even close.

      • Sea Mode

        Exactly. It’s still just speed rush or bust. If he gets the jump on the tackle, it works. If not, it’s over.

        • Matt

          Taylor epitomizes why this isn’t a good team…zero consistency.

  51. Blitzy the Clown

    Nooooooo Fox! Let it die. For the love of everything, let the quote die

    It’s my fault for bringing it up earlier

    • Matt

      Haha…I was just busting your chops earlier. The fact it was a “thing” earlier this year tells you the reading level of football players is around 4th grade.

  52. Big Mike

    How many times have we already seen Forsythe get blown up today 4, 5?

  53. Mick

    Damn these sacks, we never learn.

  54. Sea Mode

    Dang, we miss Lucas. That’s when you realize how good he has been for us this year.

  55. Chris

    What has Curran done to get in Pete’s dog house?

    • Big Mike

      Nice pass rush

      • Big Mike

        Should have been a stand alone post

    • bmseattle

      I think I saw Pete frantically trying to get Curhan into the game, but failing.

  56. cha

    Jets double teaming Collier LOL

  57. Sea Mode

    Brooks grabbed his knee I think

    • Big Mike


    • bmseattle

      Brooks is odd in that he is overall an underwhelming player, but we are also completely screwed if we don’t have him.

  58. Mick

    Hope we don’t lose Brooks.

    • bmseattle

      Yeah… it’ll mean a high pick on a LB .

      • Big Mike

        Sad but likely true

  59. Chris

    God, it seemed like he had 10 seconds back there to throw

    • Mick

      We don’t need Adams to blitz, we should go for it more.

  60. HOUSE

    Hoping injury to Brooks is a sprain. Looks like she jammed it up a bit

  61. 206

    So if the packers win today we are eliminated? Did I hear that correctly?

    • Big Mike

      That’s what I heard too but I don’t buy it

    • Palatypus

      This is how you figure it out.

    • bmseattle

      If true, then us beating the Jets (same record as us), would be a shame for draft position.

    • Romeo A57

      Seattle needs to win out and have Green Bay lose one more game. Seattle has the Head to Head tie breaker over Detroit. Detroit and Green Bay play next week.

  62. Chris

    I love how walker is hitting the hole today and not dancing

  63. Mick

    This is not quite the worst of the Ds we’re playing good against.

    • Matt

      Just adds to the frustration…this team needs to sh*t or get off the pot. As soon as you make up your mind one way, they make you say “wait a minute!”

  64. Blitzy the Clown

    Ugly rep for Cross

    • bmseattle

      Really hope he can add some strength over the off season.

      • Matt

        I have great confidence he can be an average LT…just not sure if he can be anything more.

  65. Mick

    Again we don’t involve Metcalf enough.

  66. Blitzy the Clown

    Woolen be lurkin

    QBs be ware

  67. 206

    I can see the running holes against this defense before the ball is even snapped. Strange design if you ask a couch coach like myself.

    • Mick

      And to make matters worse, Brooks is out.

  68. STTBM

    Seattle’s Defense is just sad. Weak, inept, easily schemed against. Heads should roll in the coaching staff, but that’s not Carrols way. Three more years of Hurtt doing his best Ken Norton impersonation to go….

  69. Big Mike

    This last 40 seconds have taken an interminable amount of time

    • Sea Mode


      • Roy Batty

        It’s got nothin’ on the final 40 seconds of an NBA game when the score is 5 points or less. 40 seconds of foul, foul shot, foul, foul shot.


  70. Mick

    Taylor prolly mentored by Dunlap, show up with the sacks late in the season.

  71. 206

    The pack are really picking up steam. I’ve always rooted against Rodgers and the packers, but this year feels different, if the hawks don’t make it.

  72. Big Mike

    Apparently the loss by Washington has put Green Bay in control of their own destiny. Go Pack! I don’t want to make the playoffs. I don’t want to give Pete another reason to pretend we’re “really close” to being a Super Bowl squad.

    • Sea Mode

      I certainly wouldn’t mind finding a way to lose today…

      • bmseattle

        A win today, while still not making the playoffs, would be a big blow to our native pick position

    • 805Hawk

      To me, it really comes down to Pete’s future. I think making the playoffs will mean that Pete will have hope of contending in just one more run and he’ll stick around. I just want to see something fresh. I don’t like rooting for a loss, so I’m just rooting for whatever it takes for change.

  73. Peppapig

    Loving the raiders game.

  74. Palatypus

    Vikings not showing up at all today.

  75. Chris

    Our passing game is broken

    • Mick

      Solid secondary and we’re afraid of them.

  76. Big Mike

    I see Curhan in for Forsythe

    • Big Mike


  77. JimQ

    In the early 3-rd quarter, Dave Wyman (company man) when discussing Jet’s QB woes, that it’s so nice in Seattle to have the QB position “settled” (said sternly). This may mean the Seahawks actually believe that or it’s to disguise what they do with their 1-st. round pick (as in take a QB) as a smoke screen for teams wanting to move up?

    • Palatypus

      As of this moment you are on double secret probation.

      • Big Mike

        Wish they would put Wyman on the unemployment line

        • Peter

          Barton is having a helluva season…

          And George aka noah fant ( brain exploding emoji) is a great TE

  78. Chris

    I doubt wyman has any insight on the hawks plans

  79. Big Mike

    Peacock sighting
    Please cut him!!

    • David Ashton

      Was literally going to say similar.

      Jamal sighting – looks fat!

  80. Big Mike

    White is atrocious today

  81. Chris

    How good would Garrett Wilson look on this team instead of adams

    • Big Mike


    • STTBM

      …plus Elijah-Vera Tucker AND 7-10 million per year extra to spend on Free Agency…..

      Worst trade ever, perhaps…behind Herschel Walker and Russ lol!

  82. Matt

    This Jets team is atrocious.

  83. Chris

    When you make the hawks defense look competent you are having a bad game

  84. Romeo A57

    I don’t think the Jets fans are loving White today. He throws the ball inaccurate and not on time. They will definitely be active in the Free Agent QB class if one of the top QBs don’t fall to them in the draft.
    When is the last time the Seahawks defense held the opposition out of the endzone for the entire game?

  85. David Ashton

    With lions pack facing off in final week, and currently blowing out vikes, what are the playoff permutations?

    Are we pretty much eliminated on sos?

    • Palatypus

      Packers have to lose next week.

      • David Ashton

        On basis we beat lions in oct thereby becoming tiebreaker?

  86. STTBM

    Really poor end of a series for Seattle: atrocious play calling, horrid clock management, dysfunction evident everywhere…

    This team is a coaching disaster. Ridiculous you never hear Seattle’s media calling them out, only players and lame excuses are to blame.

  87. jdruaint

    If the Raiders hold on we are basically talking 9th pick with a loss or if we win 18th pick. GB will officially knock us out today so too bad were gonna win this game imo.

    • jdruaint

      OK nvm I guess GB loses next week and we win still a chance.

      • Big Mike

        GB plays Detroit AT HOME next week. Don’t think the Lions win that one.

      • David Ashton

        See above – I am unclear if we are now officially eliminated

        • Palatypus

          The playoff machine explains it. It takes all the tie-breakers into account.

        • Romeo A57

          Head to Head is always the first tie breaker for playoff seeding.The Seahawks beat the Lions so Seahawks own that tie breaker if they end up with the same record. So the Seahawks need Detroit to beat Green Bay next week.

  88. STTBM

    How bout DJ Dallas?! Glad to see him getting some plays. He’s no starter, but he’s a pretty good change of pace and third down guy. And he’s tough as hell.

  89. Sea Mode

    Maybe that’s why we consistently get out-coached: PC too busy whining to the refs on every little no-call…

  90. Palatypus

    Watching on Red Zone in Florida. Have we lost a challenge yet? We got to keep that streak alive!

    • Sea Mode

      LOL no, not yet

  91. 206

    Subtle, but I have noticed a tackling improvement from Woolen today. Plus his speed is bad ass

  92. Big Mike

    Man was cha spot on with the TEs being open all day

  93. Big Mike

    Cmon DK, ffs

    • Palatypus

      Lo! My field is barren of Effs, for I have no Effs to give!

  94. Leo

    I’ve lost track of how many potential picks Geno has chucked today, just screams regression to the mean next year…

  95. 206

    Okay, that was a trash decision by Geno. I mentioned this early this year, that he is trying to avoid a sack so bad that he makes a sketchy throw away. Cant double down on your mistakes. Also, DK come on man!

  96. STTBM

    Jeebus, DK shouldn’t have feet for hands as often as he does for the money he’s making. He’s no Number 1 WR yet. Total non-factor in this game. No excuse for that.

  97. Kyle R.

    And plays like that is why DK is not on the top level of WRs in the NFL. Very good but not great.

    • Big Mike


    • 206

      Agreed, his hand eye coordination and body control need work, but as is he is still very good.

    • Pran

      Add dumb penalties… he is just good enough to draw double coverage.

  98. Palatypus

    Walker has over 100 yards. Give him the ball. He deserves the TD.

  99. Hawks4life

    Geno smh

    • Big Mike

      I think he may have realized it was going to be a pick 6 and tried to reel it back in and wasn’t able to

      • Sea Mode

        They didn’t show it again, but I think I saw the ball graze Walker’s arm on the wind-up, which dislodged the ball from Geno’s hand.

        • Big Mike

          Ah, makes sense

  100. Sea Mode

    Ball hit Walker’s arm.

  101. Palatypus

    Loving this classic Jarett Stidham/Brock Purdy shootout.

  102. Chris

    The defense seems to be playing better without brooks

    • 206

      Brooks is soft imo

  103. dand393

    What a snooze fest of a game can’t remember being this bored even when there losing games

    • Big Mike

      Walker has had a couple of real exciting runs but other than that yep pretty boring

    • bmseattle

      well, games that boring aren’t usually very memorable.
      I bet you’ve been just as bored as today before.

    • STTBM

      Yep. PeteBall sucks. I’m dying for a new HC, have been since the end of 2017. I am also dying for new ownership, but fear another Behring.

  104. Chris

    This has finally felt like a Pete Carroll win

    • STTBM

      Oh yes. Stumbling and bumbling vs a sad opponent. Vintage PeteBall.

  105. bmseattle

    it’s interesting that they aren’t letting Lock finish this game up.
    If they were thinking Lock was an option next year, they would, I bet.

    • bmseattle

      i guess it’s a “respect” thing, for Geno’s sake?

  106. Palatypus

    Did we lose a challenge?

  107. Palatypus

    Fred Warner and George Kittle having terrible games today.

  108. Steve Nelsen

    Clutch win for Seattle. Still alive for the playoffs. 3 turnovers for the defense and they held the Jets to 6 points. Checked a lot of the goals cha covered in his article.

    I know this is a draft blog but I am hoping for the playoffs even if negatively affects our picks. I’d like Geno to get some playoff experience/exposure before next season.

  109. Orcas Viking

    Given NO and Browns won today, if the Seahawks would have lost to the Jets our native pick would have gone to from 12 to 10, but the win pushes us up from 12 to 19. Hawks will know their playoff fate before they take the field against the Rams (GB’s eventual win against the Lions will happens earlier that day or on Saturday if the game gets flexed to Saturday night). Hawks better play all the rooks (no Bruce Irvin, please) and Lock in the Rams game if it’s meaningless. In such case, a meaningless Winn against the Rams further compounds the pain associated with our native pick, but worse, give Pete Carrol a fricking narrative that “we are so close”…that’s a lose-lose scenario.

  110. Robert Las Vegas

    Rob I was wondering if you had any thoughts on Henry To’o To ‘o?

    • Rob Staton

      Just doesn’t stand out to me. Will reserve full judgement until I see testing results but ‘average’ is the word that springs to mind.

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