Jordan Palmer highlights O-line issues in the NFL

We talk a lot about offensive lines. Understandably so. The league has a problem. And while many Seahawks fans think the problem starts and ends in Seattle, the reality is there’s a dearth of talented and available O-liners at the pro level.

There are reasons for it. A point we often touch on (and one backed up multiple times by John Schneider when he’s asked about O-liners) is the preference of the top college athletes to play defense. As Brock Huard suggested a few weeks ago — Walter Jones is probably playing three-technique if he’s a college freshman in 2017.

Now, former NFL quarterback turned QB guru Jordan Palmer has suggested another potential problem to consider.

When asked by Mike Salk on 710 ESPN about the changing face of the game and the emergence of a different quarterback profile, Palmer had this to say:

I believe the game is going towards the mobile quarterback. If you look at what’s happening at the college level, with the similar constraints on the coaching staff that they do in the CBA (collective bargaining agreement) in the NFL, and so the position — and everyone thinks quarterbacks are the ones that aren’t being developed — the number one position, if you talk to real coaches, is O-line.

They don’t have enough padded practises in college to really teach it. And then in college they also don’t run the ball a whole lot so you get kids learning how to do one thing pretty good. Then they go to the NFL and what’s happening is these older linemen are going to start retiring, you’ve got a bunch of young guys who don’t know what they’re doing. And there’s not enough time in the CBA to fix it. So the way that I think it’s going to play out to the layperson and somebody just watching on TV is it’s going to create a precedence for quarterbacks who can extend the play.

It’s a subject that has come up more often in recent weeks. Due to the CBA practise restrictions, it’s becoming increasingly difficult for teams to sufficiently develop their offensive linemen early in their careers. There will always be exceptions — but those exceptions will likely be the true standout players who go in the top-20 of the first round (the Zack Martin, Taylor Lewan types).

The Seahawks haven’t been in range to draft the top offensive linemen in a draft class for five years. They’ve always been picking late in the first round. They’ve been forced to develop later round picks or players that fit a certain physical profile.

Imagine how difficult that is considering what Palmer is saying here?

It’s something to think about when judging Tom Cable.

We’re seeing Germain Ifedi show signs of development this year in his second season. Maybe, just maybe, some growing pains were inevitable given Palmer’s points above? It took Justin Britt three years to settle into the pro’s but now he’s one of the finest center’s in the league. Ethan Pocic didn’t start the season and perhaps now we understand why? His debut performance against the Giants was encouraging.

We can go down the list really. James Carpenter took a while but developed into a productive guard. J.R. Sweezy, a former defensive tackle at NC State, became a regular starter quite quickly. It took Max Unger some time to turn into the player he eventually became. We saw positive signs with George Fant before his knee injury. Luke Joeckel was making strides before his recent surgery.

That’s not to say every decision or error is suddenly justified. Perspective is important though and Palmer highlights a point worth noting. Teams are limited in what they can do because of the CBA and it’s taking O-liners longer to get to grips with the pro-game.

If anything the Seahawks were ahead of the curve. They were one of the first teams to start an elusive quarterback capable of extending plays. They deliberately made the scramble a feature on the offense — embracing the situation rather than fighting it. They seemed to identity a ‘type’ of linemen they could mould and develop without owning a pick in the top-20.

We’ll see if their way of doing things can produce a solid O-line as it gains further experience.

The good news for the Seahawks is Ifedi, Pocic, Britt, Joeckel and Fant are all trending up.

You can now support Seahawks Draft Blog via Patreon by clicking the tab below.

Become a Patron!

Nike NFL Team Free Trainer v7 Collection Shoes


  1. Pickering

    Re college football Olines, U. Washington rushed for 333 yards today. Does that suggest Peterson has placed greater emphasis on the run game? Or perhaps lost faith in Browning and his team’s passing game? Or that UCLA doesn’t have much of a run defense.

    • Rob Staton

      Palmer’s point that college teams don’t run the ball that often doesn’t necessarily mean there won’t be some teams that make it a focal point (or that teams will occasionally have a big running day). I suspect he was speaking generally there. Plus, Washington was playing against UCLA’s embarrassing defense.

      • C-Dog


        The Husky run game was like a hot knife through butter today. That’s probably not a strong indicator that it’s going to be that effective the rest of the way.

    • cha

      It has nothing to do with faith in the passing game.

      If they’re stacking 9 in the box and you’re still getting 6-8 yards per rush, you do it all day.

  2. C-Dog

    I think there’s a pretty decent chance Carroll has been fairly prophetic with this trend. He’s stated, for a while no, the value of a mobile quarterback in this league.

    It’s interesting if you look at his long history in college and earlier in the pros with coaching pocket passers. I think it was in his first year in Seattle where they were playing in Tampa and Josh Freeman was having a field game against his defense and rumor had it he turned to one of his assistants and said “I want one of those,” or something of that effect? Next year, Hasselbeck out, T-Jack in, and the following year, Russell Wilson. I think, being the old defensive coach he is, he knows he needs a player that can extend plays not just here or there, but with frequency throughout games if needed.

  3. cha

    “Then they go to the NFL and what’s happening is these older linemen are going to start retiring, you’ve got a bunch of young guys who don’t know what they’re doing.”

    This sounds like a confirmation to what Cable’s been saying for a long time – that OL aren’t being taught NFL-quality OL skills at the college level and the Hawks prefer guys who fit their physical profile and they’ll retrain them.

  4. Coleslaw

    Doesn’t matter if we don’t give OL second contracts lol, hopefully that changes as we move towards the end of the PC/JS era so we can move forward with at least a protected franchise QB. Britt signing was a good sign

    • Old but Slow

      Especially this. It would seem wise to keep teaching these guys longer than we have been. Glowinski gets a share of sharp criticism, for example, but he is quite athletic and strong, his attitude and grittiness helps, and he may still not learned enough. He fits the profile, stay with him, and the same goes for our other young linemen.

    • Rob Staton

      The players have to be worthy of the second contracts though with cap room tighter these days. That’s the approach the Seahawks have taken. Britt was worthy of the new deal.

    • Brseahawks

      Had Okung and Unger been reliable regarding health in their final two seasons in Seattle, like they went on to be with their current teams, we’d probably look at a much different offensive make up…

  5. Seahawcrates

    The skill concern in Seattle is also magnified as so much of the line is making that college to pro transition at close to the same time: Ifedi, Fant, Odhiambo, Glowinski, Pocic. It can’t make things easier that they are all on the same part of the learning curve together with Britt the only long-tenured Seahawk (is it even fair to say 3 1/2 years is long?). I’m convinced that lack of experience played a large role in seeking Lang and signing Joekel.

  6. House

    Something I find interesting (with the exception of Matt Tobin, 27), is that Justin Britt is the OLDEST player on our OL at a whopping 26 years old. Free Agency on the OL has been weird. The avg age of our OL is 25.2 yrs old. These guys just need time to grow, develop and perfect their craft. We definitely have a lot less money invested in the group and tend to let guys go at the risk of overpaying someone to stay.

    When the Patriots let DEF players leave in their prime and find replacements, no one really bats an eye. The OL is completely different. I believe that as the guys gel together within 2 years, the mindset of needing to re-sign our OL will be priority.

    Positions like WR and RB are having guys come in from the jump and are changing the game. They are found all over the draft. I have always wondered if we “over-drafted” OL and it makes so much sense. Especially when taking guys late in the 1st rd. That extra year of roster control can make a HUGE difference.

  7. drewdawg11

    I truly believe that we are one player away from a solid offensive line. Obviously the guard from Notre Dame will be long gone, but perhaps we can also find an impact running back. I would even be willing to trade up to secure either. The OL pool is so shallow that you’ll miss your chance in the latter parts of the first round. There are several running backs who will be available, however. Our talent leve at that spot is weak. Carson may come back 100% healthy next season, but we thought Rawls would as well. Two years later and he looks washed up. I say go running back early and let’s find a way to balance this offense.

  8. Volume12

    If I’m Seattle, Florida St WR Auden Tate is in serious consideration for me. Kid is a monster! So much Kelvin Benjamin in his game when he came out. What’s the one thing plauging this offense, besides the O-line? Red zone play. Tate solves that instantly.

    • Brandon

      Unless our red zone problems are a Wilson issue, not a receiver problem.

      • Volume12

        Stop. Its not a RW problem.

    • cha

      “What’s the one thing plauging this offense, besides the O-line? Red zone play. Tate solves that instantly.”

      Apologies for quibbling over semantics but nobody “solves that instantly.” Would Tate help? Sure. But pinning all your hopes on a single player to fix a pretty significant issue is just asking to be disappointed and frustrated. That exact line of reasoning is what we all said about Jimmy Graham.

      The Hawks have zero red zone rushing TDs in 2017. Zero! And just 2 rushing TDs overall. Let’s fix that first.

      • Volume12

        I agree, but this team is trending the opposite way my man. They’re becoming a passing team. The writing is on the wall.

        You can get Royce Freeman’s or Lavon Coleman’s in rounds 3-4.

        • AlaskaHawk

          I agree, fans should just get used to seahawks being a passing team this year. RB by committee has turned out to be who ever is healthy will be used occasionally for a run.

  9. Volume12

    Why does Wazzu HC Mike Leach have a job? Dude is a f***ing idiot. Pulls Falk to have his backup throw 4 picks in a loss? Haha.

    BTW. If u haven’t seen Arizona QB Khalil Tate, check my man out. I think he just invented the October Heisman.

    4 games straight with a 70+ yard run. Missed 2 games and is 3rd in the country in rushing?

    Inject this into my veins right now.

    Saquon Barkley
    117 rushes
    757 yards
    7 games started

    Khalil Tate
    56 rushes
    780 yards
    2 games started

    This man is a god.

    • Volume12


      How is everyone else so slow compared to him?

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      You know what they say about WSU…. they couged it.

      I wonder if Tate will be asked to move to RB in the NFL?
      I have no idea if his QB skills actually would hold up enough to be viable in the NFL.

    • Ishmael

      Looks like a WR/KR conversion project to me. Definitely wouldn’t want him playing QB for you when you could have Drew Stanton instead.

      • House

        He’s listed @ 6’2″, 216lbs… WR written all over him

        • Volume12

          That’s not big enough for a QB. Isn’t that the narrative?

    • sdcoug

      Falk has been pretty bad this year. Hesitant, uncertain, slow in his reads, takes sacks instead of throwing it away. I’m guessing you didn’t follow the game, because in Falk’s 5 or 6 drives, the offense was horrid. Hilinski came in and they suddenly move the ball with ease. Yes, 4 ints by a young QB with little experience, although one bounced off his receivers hands. You also didn’t mention Hilinski scored 4 TDs in one half and pulled the cougs within striking distance.

      He also is the reason the Cougs came back to beat BSU. I don’t blame Leach one second for pulling Falk.

      • Volume12

        But, Falk is a 1st rounder. He’s one of 47 this year just like every year! The NFL talking heads told me so!

    • C-Dog

      Never been a Mike Leach fan, or a fan of the air raid. The way he loves to throw his players under the bus to motivate is beyond annoying.

      • Volume12

        He’ll be gone. McElwain was fired this year after winning the division 2 outta 3 years. That’s unheard of.

        What has Leach ever done? Locked his players in a woodshed? S**t the bed every where he’s been? The PAC 12 other than Khalil Tate and a handful of RBs this year is god awful.

        He does a great job of running his version of the ‘air raid’ that’s it.

        Hope he follows Moos to Nebraska so the BIG 10 can show the ‘pirate’ how big boy football is actually played.

        • Volume12

          If you guys haven’t watched Khalil Tate yet ur all a bunch of commies. (I’m j/k of course).

          • C-Dog

            I haven’t caught any Arizona games yet, but look forward to watching Tate live. Those clips are pretty impressive.

            I can see Leach on his way out. Some bigger under achieving program will look at what he’s done in Pullman and think he’s a savior. Following Moos seems natural.

            PAC 12 does feel down. Watching the Huskies yesterday, I was thinking to myself “what are people who think Browning is an nfl quarterback smoking?” He looks like training camp fodder at best.

            Next year, a more seasoned Darnold and a healthy Justin Herbert, things could get interesting.

          • DC

            Tate nearly beat UW single handed last year so my memory is pretty vivid. He’s only a Soph. Get’s a chance to kick start his legend next weekend vs USC with control of the south at stake.

            • RealRhino2

              Tate didn’t play vs. UW last year. Probably thinking of Dawkins. Their last running QB phenom.

              • DC

                You are correct

  10. Ishmael

    Man, was watching Barkley again. I know he was mainly bottled up last night, but still, he’s something else. Trying to think of the best comp for him, and the only player who really comes close is LT. Only LT with a bit more juice and more to offer as a receiver.

  11. House

    I just woke up to seeing Seattle considering moving Jimmy Graham for Duane Brown or other Vet OL. It’ll be an interesting next few days

    • C-Dog

      Jason La Canfora just tweeted 15 minutes ago Seattle is NOT going to move Jimmy Graham. La Canfora seems to consistently have solid team sources.

      • vrtkolman

        It’s the right move IMO. Without Graham, Baldwin gets doubled all game long and we’re forced to rely on Lockett and Richardson to convert third downs. And if one of those two goes down, uh oh. The offense has finally started to adjust for Graham. They have been lining him up outside and Russell has started to fire passes into his chest rather then throw those failed jump ball fades. I think he’ll end up having a good season overall. Yes he’s soft but he’s a super important player for our passing attack .

        • DC

          In a vacuum, if you offered me a pro bowl caliber LT or the same at TE I would choose the LT. No way to know how they would fare here though.

          JG is a Ferrari. Problem is we do most of our driving in the mud with the OL being what it is. We needed a 4×4 pickup truck.

          • House

            I don’t personally want Graham to be traded, but I also don’t think we’re paying him to stay around next season.

            I am in hopes Fant gets back and has a long productive career in SEA. Duane Brown is a good LT, but the contract situation is one more hurdle we don’t need to deal with.

  12. SEAhemoth82

    I listened to the interview with Jordan Palmer and found it to be very intriguing, yet he stated many of the same topics/themes Rob has constantly touched on while updating this blog, especially in regards to the development of Offensive Linemen.

    Me personally, I’m not in the fan constituency of landing an top tier LT right now, such Duane Brown, Cordy Glenn, or Joe Thomas (even though he is currently placed on IR). Nor was I in the camp to sign TJ Lang. I think our fanbase is still chasing the greatness of Walter Jones (and on some level Steve Hutchinson as well). More bluntly, the years of Walter Jones spoiled us, which has created an unrealistic level of expectation for the offensive line. The Seahawks have been without Walter Jones for 10+years now and have won a Super Bowl, but I firmly believe that we as a fan base are still desperately chasing the ghost of Walter Jones at Left Tackle, hence the constant comments on this blog that are pounding the table for the likes of Joe Thomas. I believe we aren’t chasing the player, we are chasing the caliber of play.

    Let this line develop. Trust the process. Like Rob has stated, which are important observations, in regards to Sweezy, Carp, Britt, etc., it took time for these players to develop, they needs snaps and time to gel to become a cohesive unit, and you still won’t be able to see that in 6 games. Why haven’t we talked about how the running backs are hindering the performance of the Offensive Line (or have we…)? From my untrained eye, the Running Backs have subpar vision, which isn’t allowing them to hit the right holes when running the play. I think the Seahawks are in dire need of a dynamic Running Back, not a Left Tackle.

    Point being of this rant, fans need to embrace patience.

    • Volume12

      No way! If rookies aren’t good their 1st season get rid of them. We all know this is how it works.

    • Volume12

      In all seriousness, it depends.

      Some fans might not like it, but unless Seattle can get to a Fournette or Gurley, the PC throwing 3-4 different RBs at a defense is here to stay. He’s always wanted it, but with Lynch in his prime it was pointless and futile.

      If they want to continue to throw it more and more, which doesn’t mean they don’t want a balanced attack, IMO they’ll lean more to the former, then yeah they need to upgrade their protection for their investment. If nothing else, they need to hedge for Fant.

      • AlaskaHawk

        But if rookies don’t develop of get used till their 3 or 4th year, we have lost most of the benefit of the cheap rookie contract. The one advantage of picking higher in first and second rounds is that those players should be able to start right away. Yes maybe you want to train them more, but they have the body and attitude to succeed.

        This should be a good test of Odhiambo today. Not expecting perfection, I know he will get beat. Just see how he holds up and if he is mentally and physically strong enough to go at it all game long.

        • RealRhino2

          Yes. If I were considering the problem in a vacuum, I’d say Seattle has been far BEHIND the curve, not ahead of it. If I told you it would take three years to see any production from a position group, the answer would be to wait until those guys are developed and spend on them in FA, using your high draft picks for more instant production spots at the skill positions. Or to buy low on high-ceiling guys that look like busts after a couple of years, such as Greg Robinson and the like. Seattle has practically done the opposite of that.

    • Ukhawk

      Thought the OL was very good vs NYG. Maybe good again today. It’s the top half DLs where they consistently struggle. PC focusing on running & big plays has historically negated this but the OL has regressed too much since the last SB year. Only time, development & new talent will mean improvement.

  13. Van Gogh


    Watched USC’s OLB Uchenna Nwosu destroy ASU last night – worth a look …….

  14. Ishmael

    Holy shit… I haven’t seen a pass like that on Earl in a LONG time. Griffin and Thomas got absolutely torched there. What was that, almost 60 yards?

    Good thing Watson doesn’t have the arm strength to play in the NFL…

  15. Ishmael

    Who’s the ST coach? When was the last return we made without giving away a penalty. Watson is absolutely slinging out here, big completion on Sherman, plays without fear. Anddd as I type this Earl with a fantastic pick over the middle, don’t think Watson realised how fast he could close.

    • Rowdy

      The refs just call us more for it. I counted 4 block in the backs on are punt and no call

    • Hawktalker#1

      Yep, Watson is the real deal. Sure he’s going to make some mistakes he’s just a rookie, but that monster bomb was a thing of beauty. I’m a little concerned Lane is back in there, I’ve never been a fan. My only hope is they’re trying to make him look good to increases value as we try to get rid of him shortly.

  16. Volume12

    Why is Lane playing? He’s trash!

    • Ishmael

      That was a super rough call. As ticky-tack as it gets.

      I love the offense the Texans are running. It’s the sort of thing I wish the Hawks would do.

      • Volume12

        It was. He’s also an awful tackler as well.

        • Ishmael

          He’s no worse a tackler than Earl.

          There will be plenty of time to criticise him this game, I’m no huge fan either, but he was very unlucky there.

          • Volume12

            That’s a hot take my man.

    • House

      I don’t want him out there either!

  17. Rowdy

    How are these refs even qualified?

  18. Volume12

    They got no pass rush right now. Missing Avril in a big way. And Bennett with planter fasciitis severely limits him as well. Its Clark and nothing else.

  19. Volume12

    I agree with Lockett. Feed him!

  20. Volume12

    Did Pete challenge that?

    • Ishmael

      Yep, challenged that it WAS a fumble. Great call by someone.

  21. Forrest


  22. Ishmael

    Wilson had ages in the pocket there on third down. Couldn’t make it happen. Wtf, fumble and recovered 20 yards downfield? Crazy lucky, have to make it count.

    Wonder if this game will really open up into a shootout, or if the Hawks try to slow it down and drag Watson down into the mud.

  23. Ishmael

    Odhiambo beasted Clowney there! Great TD.

    • Hawktalker#1


      Anytime we get an O lineman to do a great job, That’s extra points in my book. And that was one monster job !!!

  24. Volume12

    What a throw!

    Seattle is really close to that BBall starting lineup PC wants outta his receiving core.

    C- ??
    PF- Darboh
    SF- P-Rich
    SG- Baldwin
    PG- Lockett

    • House

      Tanner McEvoy!!!

  25. Forrest

    I think PReach will be priority this offseason.

    • Hawktalker#1

      He’s got a nice string of healthiness going for him there. Knock on wood. If he can stay healthy he is a value for sure. Just like C.J.might be once we can find out what he can do when he becomes healthy

  26. Volume12

    Great stand there on D. They needed that sack ijn the worst way and what a play by Shaq.

  27. Forrest

    Now that’s a defense!

  28. Ishmael

    I honestly have no idea how Griffin gets the PBUs he does despite never getting his head around. Must read the receiver incredibly well.

    Another flag on a return. Oh, not on the Hawks this time. That’s a fun and exciting change!

    • Hawktalker#1


  29. Hawktalker#1

    The fact that he hardly ever turns his head around kind of freaks me out a little bit. Playing with fire if you ask me

  30. Ishmael

    Commentators saying the pocket crumbled around Wilson, but I reckon he was hanging onto it for over three seconds in there. Looks like guys aren’t getting open.

    Seriously, another flag on a return. Just take them out of the game. What’s the point.

  31. Hawktalker#1

    Great officiating reversal. That pass was uncatchable

  32. nichansen01

    What’s wrong with Sherman today?

  33. Hawktalker#1

    Another outstanding pass and catch by Houston.

    Looked like Sherman wasn’t fully engaged with fuller on that one

  34. vrtkolman

    Reminds me of the Steelers game from 2015. Everything Houston is doing is working.

  35. Volume12

    Clowney is wrecking this O-line.

    • Volume12

      McEvoy made a goddamn play!?

  36. nichansen01

    We can’t run the ball

  37. Hawktalker#1

    OK. Now I’m really really really ready to get rid of Lacey

    • Forrest


    • Rowdy

      I wouldn’t blame him this game. He’s getting clobbered behind the line

  38. East Side Stevie

    I knew Deshaun Watson was gonna be a problem. Man is he talented!

  39. Rowdy

    This team is incapable of run blocking

  40. Forrest


  41. nichansen01

    Russell Wilson is on FIRE

  42. Hawktalker#1

    I think these new Seattle pass plays where they run two wide receivers on the exact same pattern are very interesting. I guess it increases our odds? Right? 🙂

    Go P-Rich

    Looks like the Seahawks are starting to turn the corner with their offense

  43. House

    Nice pass to McEvoy and then the TD to PRich! Let’s go!!!

  44. vrtkolman

    2015 again, except Russ is locking in a lot sooner. So excited for this offense.

  45. Forrest

    This game is shaping up to be a fun one. I just hope the defense can make some halftime adjustments.

  46. House

    McEvoy needs more field time. I know people were pissed when Kasen Williams didn’t make the roster. I’m glad McEvoy did

  47. Forrest

    McEvoy is a beast!! So glad he’s making an impact.

  48. Volume12

    Shaq is a stud man.

    • Forrest

      Yes he is!

  49. nichansen01

    Shaq Griffen with his second spectacular pass break up

  50. Volume12

    What kind of trash call was that?

  51. Ishmael

    How on earth are they making that call. If you’re calling that as a hold, it’s time to start calling guards for it on 99% of plays.

    Just having a look at the run game quickly. It’s gone nowhere, but we’ve only tried rushing seven times. Lamar Miller is only just going over 2 YP/A as well, and that’s over 13 attempts. Most of the Texans rushing has come from Watson scrambles.

  52. Volume12

    Ifedi! He kills our momentum

    • vrtkolman

      They never showed a replay … The refs have been soft today.

    • Hawktalker#1

      That guy just needs to settle down a little bit. Those penalties are a killer

    • Volume12

      Some of his penalties we can live with, but he’s gotta play more under control.

  53. Hawktalker#1

    Time for another Houston turnover

  54. Volume12

    Why did they blow that play dead?

    • 12th chuck

      in the grass. would’ve been nice for a fumble, nice to get a sack

  55. Volume12

    Might be time after the half here to play some Cover 1. How does KJ keep ending up on Hopkins?

    • East Side Stevie

      God, I tell you.. Hopkins is a baaad man. Such a great receiver. Its good to see our offense put up 21 points before halftime!

    • Ishmael

      Was wondering that. Best guess, Hopkins actually isn’t that fast. He wins with body control and phenomenal hands. If the Hawks think they can win, or minimise his damage, by using KJ on him within, say, 15 yards of the LOS, then it’s worth a try.

      • East Side Stevie

        Lol Hopkins isnt fast? Come on now thats a ridiculous thing to say. He’s an NFL WR. And he’s not fast? Why dont you take a look at his production the lasst 3 years. Then think about who’s been throwing him the ball.

        • Ishmael

          What? This isn’t controversial. He’s an out and out star, but he’s not fast – at least not relative to many other NFL players. Ran a 4.6 40 in the combine from memory.

          • RealRhino2

            Hopkins ran a 4.57 40 at the combine, pretty slow for a WR. In the last ten years, only 42 WRs have been drafted that ran a 4.57 or worse at the combine. Compared to about 160 drafted WRs who ran a 4.56 or better.

            KJ Wright ran a 4.75, then a 4.71 at his pro day.

            • Volume12

              He’s one of those guys that have better speed when u turn on the tape. Lot of guys like that.

      • Hawktalker#1

        I’m always good with trying something that makes sense. But in the school of trial and error, so far it looks more error than anything else. Time to try another defensive approach.

  56. 12th chuck

    has anyone seen J.G. playing today?please no more penalties on special teams…

    • 12th chuck

      or on 3rd down for that matter

    • C-Dog

      I saw him make an absolute joke of a run block on Clowney.

      • 12th chuck

        oops foregot that play, it seemed looked likethere was no effort

  57. Forrest

    Stop. Giving. Lacey. The. Ball.

    • Volume12

      Stop giving it him and Rawls.

  58. AlaskaHawk

    Pretty good first half. It’s nice to see the Offense come out firing in the first half. Defense has been great as usual. Love the Earl Campbell pick 6.

  59. Volume12

    Rawls is not good at the football.

    • Greg Haugsven

      Rawls has hands of stone, you’ve got to be kidding me.

      • Volume12

        He’s C-Mike 2.0

        • Volume12

          Hits him in the hands, gets nothing on 2nd & 1. Why is Mike Davis not active again?

        • Greg Haugsven

          That play is unreal. Watching Rawls trying to make that catch was like a circus. Nice pick by Sherm

          • Greg Haugsven

            Good call on Mike Davis, hurry up and heal that ankle CJ

            • Volume12

              I mean they lost their guy. Their #1 in Carson. They need another back, but the good thing about RBs is u can find them anywhere in the draft.

  60. vrtkolman

    This team needs a running back more than a LT.

    • Greg Haugsven

      I can’t agree more, Carlos Hyde please or a healthy Prosise

      • vrtkolman

        Hyde would be great, we need someone that can actually get yards on their own.

    • Forrest

      Now that I think of it…yeah, you’re right.

  61. C-Dog

    7 rushing yards by Seattle with 5 minutes left in the third. Just think about that.

    • Greg Haugsven

      And it gets worse.

  62. Forrest

    The defense has to buckle down if they’re gonna win this game. Giving up to many big plays.

  63. Volume12

    There we go Sherm!

    Watson is good for 3-4 bad decisions a game. He struggles making throws across the MOF.

  64. Forrest

    Here we go!!!

  65. Forrest

    Stop trying to run it!!!!

  66. vrtkolman

    Is that not a late hit out of bounds?

  67. Volume12

    Gannon said Graham was money in the red zone. When? 4 years ago? Let’s not try and draft a big receiver though.

    • Ishmael

      That wasn’t a good fade tbf.

      • Volume12

        It wasn’t, but Graham has done nothing for us in the red zone. Maybe once or twice?

        • Ishmael

          Yep. I’m just saying it’s easy to pin all the red zone issues on Graham. I think what’s going on with him is symptomatic, not the disease itself.

          • Volume12

            Yeah, its not his fault at all he just hasn’t been money for us.

  68. House

    How was that not a late hit?

    • Greg Haugsven

      Looked like the guy tripped

  69. Ishmael

    Lot of cheap shots on Wilson today. Not the Broncos going headhunting on Cam, but just grubby little sniping hits.

    I would love to know why we’re so bad in the red zone.

  70. Greg Haugsven

    We are a circus show in.the red zone, quit lifting that fade and just throw it high to his helmet.

    • Volume12

      We should be up by 9.

      They have serious red zone issues.

  71. vrtkolman

    Should be 35-24.

    • Greg Haugsven

      Yes it should be

    • Forrest


  72. Volume12

    Thank god they put J-Cole back in there.

    • Volume12

      Maybe its just because they wear the same #, but he reminds me of WT3 a little bit.

  73. House

    Nice sack coleman

  74. House

    I can’t be the only one that wants to see Vannett more. If Graham rolls out Vannett is our TE. We took him in the 3rd rd and we need to see what we got

  75. Volume12

    Quit giving it to Rawls! He’s losing u yards.

  76. Forrest

    That bounce -_-

  77. Greg Haugsven

    1 f%#king yard rushing.

    • Forrest

      It’s pretty infuriating. Clearly it isn’t working, so just stop trying to force it. I think trying to run the ball has cost them two drives at least.

  78. vrtkolman

    Man Shaq is getting toasted.

  79. Ishmael

    Hopkins is so strong. Hand fights as well as anyone. Beat Griffin up there.

    • East Side Stevie

      Can you admit that he is fast though my man ? (;

      • House

        We could’ve drafted Hopkins… That’s probably the one guy I’ll never let go of.

        The pick we traded for Percy Harvin… D-Hop was on the board!

  80. nichansen01


  81. Forrest


  82. Greg Haugsven

    If they lose this game those 2 sorry red zone trips might have been the story.

    • Del Tre

      And a drive being stalled by a false start on the QB. Ridiculously weird refereeing today.

  83. House

    Dammit Luke

  84. East Side Stevie

    I like the aggressive play calling by bevel staying consistent with the deep balls. I just cant figure out why our redzone offense struggles. I wouldnt mind stopping the running play calls though. Especially those damn reverses we have been running all year and they never work. How about P rich though?! Man has he turned his career around in the last 2 seasons. I hope we re sign him. He has been great!

    • Volume12

      P-Rich, Lockett, and Douggie is a lit trio

  85. nichansen01


  86. Volume12

    Keep leaving Rawls out there though. He’s cost us 2 TDs

    • East Side Stevie

      Its frustrating how inconsistent he is. I wouldnt doubt it that at some point in the season he starts contributing. Only to suffer a playoff injury lol. Thats about his luck.

      • vrtkolman

        He’s not even inconsistent, he’s just bad.

      • Volume12

        They need to activate Mike Davis and see what he brings to the table. If its nothing at all, we ain’t losing nothing with him replacing Rawls who has given us zero this year.

        • East Side Stevie

          Good point, I would like to see what Mike Davis brings.

  87. Greg Haugsven

    Just cut Rawls, he’s hurting us more than he’s helping us.

    • Del Tre

      The coaching staff isn’t too keen on playing to our offensive players strengths. If that isn’t Thomas Rawls in the endzone we get a TD, almost guarenteed

  88. nichansen01

    Baldwin with the flop

  89. Ishmael

    FFS Rawls. This team keeps finding new and exciting ways to shoot itself in the foot.

  90. Greg Haugsven

    I can’t believe we are winning g this game.

  91. Forrest

    Just take the RBs out of the game…this is a sad joke.

  92. Ishmael

    Ha there’s your boy V12. Red Zone monster haha.

    I love our little midget receivers. They play so tough, Richardson especially. So much tougher than our tight ends.

    • East Side Stevie


      • East Side Stevie

        Ishmael Im nit trying to be an asshole, but that is why I said what I said earlier about Hopkins. He definitely has some speed. 40 times dont always correlate to in the game speed my man.

        • Ishmael

          Dude. It’s relative. He’s significantly slower than genuinely fast guys. You’re the only person I’ve ever come across who thinks he’s fast.

          He runs well in pads, sure. But he’s not quick, and that’s more than likely why Seattle were trying to use KJ to cover him close.

          • East Side Stevie

            Okay but a guy who is not fast doesnt make plays. He is fast. I never said he was quick, quick is a different narrative than fast.

            • East Side Stevie

              Maybe I should say a WR that isnt fast doesnt make plays like that.

  93. vrtkolman

    Gotta think we’re not done yet, Watson is gonna score again, hopefully they hold him to a field goal.

    • Forrest

      I hate heart attack games!

  94. Forrest

    Defense! I’m looking at you. End this game.

  95. nichansen01


  96. Volume12

    Hopkins is ‘nuking’ us. Ha! See what I did there?

    • vrtkolman

      Good thing they scored early. Let’s go O.

    • East Side Stevie

      He does have speed!

  97. Volume12

    Can Seattle put 1 game together where they play well on all 3 phases?

    Watson is incredible though.

  98. Ishmael

    Oh my God…

    Haven’t given up a fourth quarter TD all year and now two this game? Hopkins is a monster. Who’s better than him at the moment? Antonio Brown?

    • Volume12

      Maybe DaVante Adams?

      • Volume12

        Tyreek Hill. 😉

  99. Forrest

    -_____- *&#^%&*$%#

  100. East Side Stevie

    Anybody see earl tweak his hamstring on the Hopkins TD

  101. Volume12

    Russ out here throwing stuff arms! That’s my QB!

    • Volume12

      * stiff

      • Volume12

        And then he goes and does that.

      • East Side Stevie

        HOW BOUT THAT FUCKIN STIFF ARM!! Momma there goes that man!!!!

  102. vrtkolman

    If we pull this out, Russell has become the best QB in the NFL imo. Not even Rodgers could win this game with 1 rushing yard from the running backs.

    • vrtkolman

      Yikes did I jinx that. Horrible throw.

      • Volume12

        Ha! I thought the same thing when I made my comment. I’m actually surprised he didn’t force more throws this game with -1 yards rushing or whatever.

        • vrtkolman

          He’s the best again! 🙂

          • Volume12

            He is. A legend.

  103. East Side Stevie

    Damnnnn that hurts

  104. Ishmael

    Horror pass. That’s game.

    • Volume12

      Not with Russ my man. U know better than that bruh. 😉

      • Ishmael

        Dude, you called it!

        And your boy Jimmy at the end!

  105. Volume12

    2 key plays.

    Rawls dropping the TD, and Watson’s scramble for the 1st on 3rd & 14

    • Volume12

      And the ridiculous 80 yard screen pass or however long that was.

    • vrtkolman

      Redzone offense takes it for me. Two field goals and that awful INT.

    • Forrest

      Plus anytime they tried to give the ball to Lacey or Rawls.

    • AlaskaHawk

      Wilson has had a couple ridiculous scrambles and completions!!

    • AlaskaHawk

      3 defensive interceptions!!!!

  106. Forrest


  107. Volume12

    Would love of our teams ever set up blocks on punt and kick returns. I mean they do, just in the back.

  108. Volume12

    Hurry, hurry.

  109. Volume12

    Spike it!

    • Volume12

      U idiot!

  110. Volume12

    My favorite player on this team in Jimmy Graham coming through. I have zero recollection of calling him trash.

    • vrtkolman

      Hahaha! Same here

  111. East Side Stevie

    LETS GO!!!!!!!!!

  112. AlaskaHawk

    I love the hurry up offense. Go Seahawks!!

  113. East Side Stevie

    FUCK YES!!!!!!!!! LETS GO!!!!!!!

  114. Volume12


  115. East Side Stevie

    Thank you SHERM

  116. Volume12

    Ball game baby!

    Instant classic here Hawks fans.

  117. AlaskaHawk

    Wow, great effort on both teams for the whole game!!! Wow. I love it = and the ending!!!

  118. Rowdy

    Unbelievable finish, Wilson is amazing, clearly a top 3 qb with everything he’s dealt with.

  119. Forrest

    I was saying Hail Marys the whole time!!! Jesus payed off boys (and girls)!!!! What a game!!!

  120. Volume12

    My god! I’m literally shaking.

  121. Sea Mode

    Yeah baby!

  122. Volume12

    Watson is something else. Hats off to him. He’s the next Russ, but this game was an all time classic.

    We are a passing team now fellas.

    • Sea Mode

      When it was a ways into the 4th quarter and they showed we had 1 rushing yard, there was no more hiding…

    • Forrest

      Yes (for both statements).

    • Trevor

      Agree on all points Vol

    • Volume12

      RW, Clark, and our trio of WRs deserve all the credit in the world. And my favorite player, always was,in Jimmy Graham. 😏

  123. Ishmael


    Game of the year.

    • Volume12

      This 1,000 times. That’s an ESPN classic. Is that still a thing?

  124. nichansen01

    Great game!!!

  125. Trevor

    WOW! The must fun I have had watching a Hawks game in a long time.

    Watson and Russ are the new prototype NFL QB.

  126. 12th chuck

    LOVE IT!!!!bring on Washington!

  127. Ishmael

    Just win baby

    The last two minutes of that melted my mind. Superstars stood up when it mattered. All you can ask for.

  128. millhouse-serbia

    Aaaaaaaaaaa…P Rich was the key player…I just hope that ET injury isn’t serious…

  129. Sea Mode


© 2024 Seahawks Draft Blog

Theme by Anders NorenUp ↑