Rotoworld: “Per CBS Sports’ Rob Rang, the 49ers, Jets, and Ravens all would have taken Bruce Irvin in the first round had he made it to their pick.
Those are some pretty good-drafting teams. Profootballtalk.com reported late Thursday that as many as seven teams had Irvin as a top-15 overall player on their draft boards. The Irvin pick has been panned as a reach, and ESPN’s Mel Kiper called it “mind boggling” after Seattle executed the selection. Kiper has never worked in the league, though, and the NFL vehemently disagrees.”
Doug
kiper is a tool
peter
Go back and listen to the clip of Kiper losing his mind over Jamarcus Russell, and how in three years time he was going to be thmost electrifying QB in the league…priceless….
Bobby Guzzler
I would like to see Rob take Mel’s position at ESPN. Rob is one of the best and has developed my keen interest in football.
Joe The Jarhead
Well so much for Courtney Upshaw. As long as we avoid David and Brown we could be on to something. Let’s get a hard nosed impact 3 down player. Not another specialist or a soft weak ‘coverage’ guy. We need to keep acquiring tough football players
AlaskaHawk
Upshaw will fit in well with the Ravens team. O Cruel fate that should part us!
Michael
What did i miss seattle moved down?
Ben2
Not bad picking up 2 more late picks for 3 spots in 2nd
AlaskaHawk
Hmm the Jets just got our wide receiver. Darn it. What were the late picks?
Michael
Nice now lets get polk!
Donald
Bad move by Sdeahawks. Stephen Hill should be playing for the hawks. I was really hoping the hawks would grab him, he is an impact player. If they are doing to trade down, what good are a bunch of 6th and 7th round back up ploayers? They need Quality, not Quantity, to win games.
I will be interesting to see what they get after giving up Stephen Hill
Michael
We got a 5th and 7th to move back in rd 2
Hawkfin
Like the trade down again.
We should go Ruben Randel or Miller
Hawkfin
I have both with a 1st round grade
Ben2
Konz, Still, David still there
Ben2
Would’ve rather had Miller than Wagner
Donald
The Hawks will pick up James in the 3rd
Ben2
Let’s package a 3 & 4 or something to move up…we have 2 4’s a five and a couple of extra later picks too…only so many spots on a football team (Osweiler?)
Hawkfin
Another awful reach
Michael
I want to see us draft starters not back ups so lets hope we trade back up.
andy
Not a reach at all. He is your starting MLB that is fast and can cover TEs…..
andy
Hoping Miller or Polk is next!
Michael
Get polk!!!!!!!
NYCHawkFan
Wagner fits a glaring need. Pass judgement after you see him play in the NFL. So far, so good for the Hawks. Bout time for some offense though!
Ben2
Kinda like the Eagles draft so far….Curry,Kendricks & Cox?
Meat
Oweiler is gone. I would like to see Wilson or harnish
Tmoney
Wagner is a solid player. He played with my bro at Utah state.
Ben2
Now it’s time to move up for Miller!
AlaskaHawk
La Michael James is gone!
Donald
darn you 49rs, you took our guy!
Michael
Polk here we come
AlaskaHawk
I don’t know why the 49ers picked him when they already got Hunter. Seems like they are doubling up on the light shifty running back.
Here we go —– Seahawks pick Russell Wilson, QB.
Michael
NO!!!!!!
sea me
what do you mean no……..say goodbye Tardvaris.
Michael
Love the pick just again seems like a reach. Man hawks must have big plans for the late rounds.
Jeremy
I really like what they’re doing. I really with they would find a way to select Zach Brown though.
sea me
i think the hawks have done well. i dont comment much on this site, but i wish everyone that was so hyped about upshaw etc. realize the hawks have built a bad ass d in two years. i think they know what they are doing alot more than anyone who has time to write a blog or read a blog me included. Good work as always this year Rob.
AlaskaHawk
I feel so-so about this draft. I could pick out half a dozen teams who have drafts I like, NY Jets, New England, etc. Even the Colts have a plan, starting with doubling down on the two best tight ends for Luck to throw to.
I know we got a plan but it is being implemented in real piece meal fashion. Like we are trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle with different pieces, I just hope the pieces fit.
Wilson is okay for a backup – but PC was going to target a QB in 2013 so I don’t see any pressing need for another backup. Especially in the third round when we do need a RB, WR and spare linemen.
sea me
I hear you on the running back for sure also another corner cause Im not sold on browner or thurmond and tru is long in tooth
jman425
Like Kip said… the 2 players he most wanted to see wearing Seahawk Blue.
My mock draft i look at all kinds of higher round picks and I’ll tell ya there so much talent still out there and we are going to get our share. With 7 picks I’m still having a hard time getting all the guys i think will make it in the NFL. there a few 2nd and 3rd of the 3rounders are still on the board. I think after tomorrow people will think a little different at Seattles draft. At this stage we was only going to have 3 players anyway after tomorrow we’ll have 10.
Misfit74
Bobby, I like Rob just the way he is. ESPN would only turn Rob into an asshole (against his own will).
Note: all any of you have to do to avoid any Mel Kiper stuff is change the channel. Nobody HAS to watch ESPN.
I haven’t watched it for years – entirely by choice.
Misfit74
So teams have taken Polk off their boards due to medical reasons. See: shoulder injuries and something ‘degenerative.
Teams have dropped or removed Lamar Miller from their boards due to medicals – a recent surgery and him blowing it at the Combine during ‘chalkboard sessions with teams’. So apparently he doesn’t study the game or is simply a meat-head – hard to say for sure.
That’s arguably two of the top 5 RBs in this draft still not with a team beginning round 4. Crazy.
andy
Hmmmm, was really hoping for Miller/Polk but if that’ info is right then maybe not….. They better grab Turbin or Poole then with 1 of the 4ths.
AlaskaHawk
I can understand medical concerns. It is hard enough to keep people healthy (Okung, Carpenter, Moffit) without starting with a pre-existing condition. It’s unfortunate, but maybe good for us if they fall to the 6th. I like Cyrus Gray for a speedy la Michael James type.
As for the rest of the draft, PC is a master at finding talent in the later rounds. Somehow even his first round pick feels like a late round pick. However – at some point this team will get good enough that only the 1-3 round picks will be successful. We aren’t there yet, maybe by next year. Eventually we will get to the point where we want the 1 or 2 round receivers, and they will be higher quality than what we got.
It’s just that when you compare a 5 rounder to an undrafted free agent, the 5th rounder looks competitive. And PC has a nose for talent so he has a pretty high conversion rate in the late rounds.
Ben2
I agree Andy
Michael (CLT)
Love the Wilson pick. Love this draft.
I would recommend all those not enamored with the draft thus far go check out Seattle’s 2011 draft. It looked like crap too. Worked out well. At least I think so.
AlaskaHawk
Yes 2011 was great as long as you don’t need Carpenter or Moffit to play. Our best two picks out with injuries. Carpenter is rumored to not be coming back till 2013.
Michael (CLT)
Either way, Seattle wins. If the draft is awful, and they are awful, they will get their QBOTF. If it is as good as I think it will be, and I think this draft has been, and will be the best of the JS/PC regime yet, they will be a serious contender in 2012.
Alaska Hawk: Moffitt is OK, only MCL, he will be full-go for the season. Carpenter had an ACL, won’t be back until mid-year at the earliest. Won’t be fully recovered until 2013. Bummer, but he will turn out to be a beast of an OL.
Does everyone understand what a brilliant QB Russell Wilson is? His season for Wisconsin this year was the greatest season by a college QB ever. For the season, his passer rating was 191.8, the highest in the history of major college football. And this is a team he transferred onto just before training camp, with no time in the system! If he was 6-3, he and not Andrew Luck or RGIII, would have been the #1 pick in the draft this year. He played behind the 5th tallest line in football, college or pro, and had the greatest season in history, guys! He will be the starting QB for the Seahawks within 3 years and if he has the talent around him, can win a Super Bowl. Watch the Wisconsin offense and see how similar it is to the power game, play fake, sprint out, down the field offense that the Seahawks tried to run under Tarvaris. This is for real.
Irvin will use C-Link Field as a launching pad and will have double digit sacks. Wagner is a super athletic, super fast, solid Mike LB who will take over just fine for Heater.
John & Pete are off to a great start. RB in R4? Then, who knows….another LB, a S, a WR, a TE. Is it time to kick off yet?
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Rotoworld: “Per CBS Sports’ Rob Rang, the 49ers, Jets, and Ravens all would have taken Bruce Irvin in the first round had he made it to their pick.
Those are some pretty good-drafting teams. Profootballtalk.com reported late Thursday that as many as seven teams had Irvin as a top-15 overall player on their draft boards. The Irvin pick has been panned as a reach, and ESPN’s Mel Kiper called it “mind boggling” after Seattle executed the selection. Kiper has never worked in the league, though, and the NFL vehemently disagrees.”
kiper is a tool
Go back and listen to the clip of Kiper losing his mind over Jamarcus Russell, and how in three years time he was going to be thmost electrifying QB in the league…priceless….
I would like to see Rob take Mel’s position at ESPN. Rob is one of the best and has developed my keen interest in football.
Well so much for Courtney Upshaw. As long as we avoid David and Brown we could be on to something. Let’s get a hard nosed impact 3 down player. Not another specialist or a soft weak ‘coverage’ guy. We need to keep acquiring tough football players
Upshaw will fit in well with the Ravens team. O Cruel fate that should part us!
What did i miss seattle moved down?
Not bad picking up 2 more late picks for 3 spots in 2nd
Hmm the Jets just got our wide receiver. Darn it. What were the late picks?
Nice now lets get polk!
Bad move by Sdeahawks. Stephen Hill should be playing for the hawks. I was really hoping the hawks would grab him, he is an impact player. If they are doing to trade down, what good are a bunch of 6th and 7th round back up ploayers? They need Quality, not Quantity, to win games.
I will be interesting to see what they get after giving up Stephen Hill
We got a 5th and 7th to move back in rd 2
Like the trade down again.
We should go Ruben Randel or Miller
I have both with a 1st round grade
Konz, Still, David still there
Would’ve rather had Miller than Wagner
The Hawks will pick up James in the 3rd
Let’s package a 3 & 4 or something to move up…we have 2 4’s a five and a couple of extra later picks too…only so many spots on a football team (Osweiler?)
Another awful reach
I want to see us draft starters not back ups so lets hope we trade back up.
Not a reach at all. He is your starting MLB that is fast and can cover TEs…..
Hoping Miller or Polk is next!
Get polk!!!!!!!
Wagner fits a glaring need. Pass judgement after you see him play in the NFL. So far, so good for the Hawks. Bout time for some offense though!
Kinda like the Eagles draft so far….Curry,Kendricks & Cox?
Oweiler is gone. I would like to see Wilson or harnish
Wagner is a solid player. He played with my bro at Utah state.
Now it’s time to move up for Miller!
La Michael James is gone!
darn you 49rs, you took our guy!
Polk here we come
I don’t know why the 49ers picked him when they already got Hunter. Seems like they are doubling up on the light shifty running back.
Here we go —– Seahawks pick Russell Wilson, QB.
NO!!!!!!
what do you mean no……..say goodbye Tardvaris.
Love the pick just again seems like a reach. Man hawks must have big plans for the late rounds.
I really like what they’re doing. I really with they would find a way to select Zach Brown though.
i think the hawks have done well. i dont comment much on this site, but i wish everyone that was so hyped about upshaw etc. realize the hawks have built a bad ass d in two years. i think they know what they are doing alot more than anyone who has time to write a blog or read a blog me included. Good work as always this year Rob.
I feel so-so about this draft. I could pick out half a dozen teams who have drafts I like, NY Jets, New England, etc. Even the Colts have a plan, starting with doubling down on the two best tight ends for Luck to throw to.
I know we got a plan but it is being implemented in real piece meal fashion. Like we are trying to put together a jigsaw puzzle with different pieces, I just hope the pieces fit.
Wilson is okay for a backup – but PC was going to target a QB in 2013 so I don’t see any pressing need for another backup. Especially in the third round when we do need a RB, WR and spare linemen.
I hear you on the running back for sure also another corner cause Im not sold on browner or thurmond and tru is long in tooth
Like Kip said… the 2 players he most wanted to see wearing Seahawk Blue.
Just wished each was picked a round later !
My mock draft i look at all kinds of higher round picks and I’ll tell ya there so much talent still out there and we are going to get our share. With 7 picks I’m still having a hard time getting all the guys i think will make it in the NFL. there a few 2nd and 3rd of the 3rounders are still on the board. I think after tomorrow people will think a little different at Seattles draft. At this stage we was only going to have 3 players anyway after tomorrow we’ll have 10.
Bobby, I like Rob just the way he is. ESPN would only turn Rob into an asshole (against his own will).
Note: all any of you have to do to avoid any Mel Kiper stuff is change the channel. Nobody HAS to watch ESPN.
I haven’t watched it for years – entirely by choice.
So teams have taken Polk off their boards due to medical reasons. See: shoulder injuries and something ‘degenerative.
Teams have dropped or removed Lamar Miller from their boards due to medicals – a recent surgery and him blowing it at the Combine during ‘chalkboard sessions with teams’. So apparently he doesn’t study the game or is simply a meat-head – hard to say for sure.
That’s arguably two of the top 5 RBs in this draft still not with a team beginning round 4. Crazy.
Hmmmm, was really hoping for Miller/Polk but if that’ info is right then maybe not….. They better grab Turbin or Poole then with 1 of the 4ths.
I can understand medical concerns. It is hard enough to keep people healthy (Okung, Carpenter, Moffit) without starting with a pre-existing condition. It’s unfortunate, but maybe good for us if they fall to the 6th. I like Cyrus Gray for a speedy la Michael James type.
As for the rest of the draft, PC is a master at finding talent in the later rounds. Somehow even his first round pick feels like a late round pick. However – at some point this team will get good enough that only the 1-3 round picks will be successful. We aren’t there yet, maybe by next year. Eventually we will get to the point where we want the 1 or 2 round receivers, and they will be higher quality than what we got.
It’s just that when you compare a 5 rounder to an undrafted free agent, the 5th rounder looks competitive. And PC has a nose for talent so he has a pretty high conversion rate in the late rounds.
I agree Andy
Love the Wilson pick. Love this draft.
I would recommend all those not enamored with the draft thus far go check out Seattle’s 2011 draft. It looked like crap too. Worked out well. At least I think so.
Yes 2011 was great as long as you don’t need Carpenter or Moffit to play. Our best two picks out with injuries. Carpenter is rumored to not be coming back till 2013.
Either way, Seattle wins. If the draft is awful, and they are awful, they will get their QBOTF. If it is as good as I think it will be, and I think this draft has been, and will be the best of the JS/PC regime yet, they will be a serious contender in 2012.
The negative guy is stoked. Go figure.
Alaska Hawk: Moffitt is OK, only MCL, he will be full-go for the season. Carpenter had an ACL, won’t be back until mid-year at the earliest. Won’t be fully recovered until 2013. Bummer, but he will turn out to be a beast of an OL.
Does everyone understand what a brilliant QB Russell Wilson is? His season for Wisconsin this year was the greatest season by a college QB ever. For the season, his passer rating was 191.8, the highest in the history of major college football. And this is a team he transferred onto just before training camp, with no time in the system! If he was 6-3, he and not Andrew Luck or RGIII, would have been the #1 pick in the draft this year. He played behind the 5th tallest line in football, college or pro, and had the greatest season in history, guys! He will be the starting QB for the Seahawks within 3 years and if he has the talent around him, can win a Super Bowl. Watch the Wisconsin offense and see how similar it is to the power game, play fake, sprint out, down the field offense that the Seahawks tried to run under Tarvaris. This is for real.
Irvin will use C-Link Field as a launching pad and will have double digit sacks. Wagner is a super athletic, super fast, solid Mike LB who will take over just fine for Heater.
John & Pete are off to a great start. RB in R4? Then, who knows….another LB, a S, a WR, a TE. Is it time to kick off yet?