Great interview. I’ve been feeling for some time that Carroll is trashing his legacy. I’ve no idea if he cares but it’s beyond time for him to go. If he left after this season, I think most fans would remember him fondly. Seattle folks are, for the most part, polite, kind and forgiving. But now he’s so obviously not the guy who should be head coach and it’s frustrating to fans. It seems it’s all about Pete’s ego. I agree that if he sticks around, he’s going to tarnish his legacy. Not destroy it. But leave people with a really bad taste in their mouths.
His feet up on the desk during his “interview” on 710 the morning after being totally bullied by the stealers says you’re right AND says he knows he ain’t going anywhere unless he wants to.
Absolute power………..you know the rest.
Joseph
Thanks to a weak incompetent money inheriting so called owner
Parallax
Sorry to comment twice in a row. Bad form. I just have to say that I don’t see it as a problem at all if people are excited about the Huskies. That was true in the late 80s and early 90s. In those days it was easy to score a ticket to the Kingdome, super hard to get a ticket to Husky Stadium. But fast forward to 2012 and that had flipped. People love football in Seattle. They’ll respond to both teams when they’re exciting to watch. The love for one team just builds the potential support for the other.
For the Huskies to win on Monday would be a dream and in no way detrimental to the Seahawks. Winning begets excitement and everyone benefits from that. Think of it as similar to three gas stations at an intersection. Each does more business than if there were one.
BK26
I haven’t watched the stream so this might be out of context, but Rob (or Jeff, or whoever) might have meant that the happiness from the Huskies can mask the feelings of the Seahawks. Be a distraction.
For the team (who makes sure to post things about the Huskies), it could be a bit of the Coliseum: “oh look over here, look at the gladiators, not what is happening with us.”
That does happen. When the Diamondbacks went to the World Series, I changed my tune with the Seahawks for about a week or so. I was thinking “hey if you get in the playoffs, you never know. One of my teams did it so why not the other one?”
I could be completely wrong, especially with not listening to the livestream.
Brodie
Pete’s “gladiator” got his arm chopped off and he made John trade a yacht, a house on the lake and a Tesla for a bandaid. Then he signed the gladiator to a 4 year max extension.
The gladiator then got his leg cut off and Pete cashed out half of his 401k and sold his Subaru for the right to borrow a crutch for the next 10 rounds.
Pete shouldn’t be in charge of the Gladiators anymore.
Jordan
I really like the Seahawks, but I love the Huskies.
It is tough to explain, but cheering for the school that you graduated from is a completely different feeling from what you feel for professional athletes that you don’t have a connection to. There is nothing that the Seahawks could do, good or bad, to engender similar emotions.
Parallax
That’s true for me to a lesser extent. I have more attachment to the Huskies but not because I feel a part of the school (or any other school I’ve attended for that matter). To me, it’s more about region. Either way, it’s a tribal thing, which I see through in the sense that I know we’re all the same. Which is why I don’t really take part in the rivalries. I like Duck fans if they’re good people. Same for Cougars. I rooted for all the Pac-12 teams in their bowl games, the Ducks included.
My adopted home is Bellingham and I feel fortunate to be accepted into the community. I feel like an adopted son and I’m grateful. Was first drawn to the Pacific Northwest soon after I graduated my first college, Johns Hopkins, in 1985. By “86, I was in Portland and the Seahawks were my team because I loved the PNW and this is the team that seemed to best represent it.
When I go back for college reunions, the big sport is lacrosse. The Lacrosse Hall of Fame is right on campus and Hopkins has a huge history in the sport. But I don’t root for the team anymore. I’ve been gone too long. It’s a fine institution. I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to attend such a fine college. But I don’t see it as part of me or me as part of it. In other words, I don’t hang any ego on the fact that I went there even though it’s supposedly, according to some people, an elite institution. I respect it for the excellence I see in so many of its programs and I revile the corporate, soulless aspects of the institution.
Once I broke free of the east coast, I went to California but it wasn’t home. I started moving north and west until I feel in love with Portland, which was then a much smaller backwater of a city. Lived in a suburb called Clackamas and found it so charming. Later on, I moved to Seattle, which wasn’t as charming, but I had dragons to slay and big cities are better for such things. Then, after a detour through Tucson for law school and 15 years of legal practice, I came to Bellingham in 2010. My heart is in the Pacific Northwest. It has been since I first found it. I never attended UW but my son did. Even if he hadn’t, I’d still be a Husky. One doesn’t have to be a graduate to be a fan. These alliances are about whatever moves us. It’s a purely emotional thing. A matter of the heart.
Like you, I feel more attached to the Huskies and have since I first became a fan after moving to Seattle in 1990. I find it easier to cheer for college kids because they’re young and idealistic. Especially the walk ons and the recruits not likely to ever make huge gobs of money. They’re just kids; many of them will never play professionally; and even for those who are likely to make the NFL, they haven’t made it yet. They don’t come across like celebrities or spoiled princes, most of them. Particularly if they have a coach like DeBoer who signs kids with a team-first attitutde. They’ve got everything on the line and leave it all on the field. One injury could ruin it all. They play their hearts out. How can one not love that?
I try not to think about the football players at Johns Hopkins, who were mostly creeps. The lacrosse players were way more classy, most of them. They were in my dorm freshman year so I became friends with some. Of course, none of these guys were ever gonna make big bucks from their sport. Lacrosse was a niche sport in those days and still is, though less so now. Hopkins never invested in a stadium so the football team was division 3. With 20/20 hindsight, they should have invested and joined the Ivy League because that moniker became a source of status for the schools that belonged. But no one knew that would happen when Division II-A broke off from the rest of Division II.
I sometimes feel a similar sense of fondness for NFL guys on their first contract. Typically, the younger ones. The guys who don’t strut and show attitude and act like egotistical morons if they make a big play, even if their team is losing. Conversely, when I see college kids who do act that way, I have no interest. I saw that in one of the Longhorn’s receivers. I won’t name names because I could be wrong and don’t like to gossip or backstab. Plus, they’re just kids and may grow out of it. God knows I wouldn’t want to be judged by who I was at that age.
For the most part, I have less attachment to the Seahawks because the players are part warrior and part spoiled celebrity. But there are exceptions. Men who give a lot back to the community. Can’t help but respect people like that. I don’t like Geno Smith as a quarterback but I love the attitude he brings to the game because it’s clear that whether he starts or backs up, he knows how lucky he is and he appreciates that so many haven’t had similar good fortune. So I admire him for his character, am glad he made some money, and just the same I hope the Hawks move on from him.
A double-whammy of Chicago winning (opening the door) and the Seahawks looking listless again to lose out on a playoff spot would sure supercharge things.
I know Rob says he will never root for them to lose, but at some point if you’re so adamant about wanting change, then you kind of have to, to get the desired end result. I’ve been rooting for them to lose since the 2nd half of last yr when it became apparent the team was a fraud.
Parallax
Rob leads a community. He can’t openly root against the Seahawks. How he feels in his heart is a private matter. Maybe he roots for them, maybe he doesn’t. Most likely, he feels a bit torn, just like the rest of us. Some weeks I feel positively schizophrenic, wanting them to lose but smiling and cheering on the players when they make great plays.
nfendall
I don’t think there is any question that Rob roots for the Seahawks. He is just tired of rooting for a team that is spinning its wheels and shows no signs of moving in the direction of competing for a championship. Like him and many others here, my excitement to watch games recently has gone lukewarm.
Wilson502
Oh I definitely agree that he is tired of rooting for a team that is going nowhere (as am I). The product has gotten so boring and stale that I don’t even bother to really watch the games anymore. Regime change will bring me back in, but until that happens I don’t have much investment in the team.
Orcas Viking
It’s just too bad the Raven’s game wasn’t scheduled for this weekend, but then a loss to the Cardinals is more humiliating…one can only hope. I am getting cautiously optimistic that Pete is done after this season…I count at least five recent articles (National and local) outside of this forum that are calling for the end of the Pete Carrol era in Seattle. This sound vibe is a first and hopefully it resonates with Seahawk ownership.
Parallax
I’m hoping for him to leave but not expecting it. Nothing about Jody Allen indicates a hands-on owner willing to rock the boat and nothing about Pete Carroll indicates a guy who’s willing to put down the reality distortion lenses and slowly back away.
RomeoA57
I hate this Seahawks Defense!
I hate this Coaching Staff!
I hate the possibly indifferent ownership!.
I hope that the Cardinals win 102 to 3 this Sunday!
Parallax
Right now I’m saving all my fan mojo prayers for the Huskies and a national championship but, once that game’s over (either way), I’ll be right there on the barricades with you (elated or licking my wounds and working to regain perspective. A 14-1 season, winning the Pac-12 13-0, getting to the title game and finishing number 2 is still historical — right? (I’ll reflect on that while I hyperventilate.)
Joseph
I hate the Pete Carroll apologists and the Seattle media who continue to support his bullshit, if I might add lol
Parallax
I’m too old to hate anyone over sports perspectives and opinions. I reserve those sorts of emotions these days for those who commit horrible crimes, for those who kill, maim and harm others. For those who would destroy others for a buck. Football is just entertainment. I try to find something to enjoy, even when things don’t go the way I hope. That capacity will be tested if the Huskies fail to win on Monday. High stakes to experience something historic.
Serious question for you guys: do you think he sees he’s on the verge of becoming a pariah considering the obviously growing unhappiness from the fanbase and the increasing rumblings in the media?
Parallax
Pariah’s too strong a word. Pathetic perhaps. A pain in the ass for sure. But he’ll always be beloved for what’s he’s accomplished.
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Great interview. I’ve been feeling for some time that Carroll is trashing his legacy. I’ve no idea if he cares but it’s beyond time for him to go. If he left after this season, I think most fans would remember him fondly. Seattle folks are, for the most part, polite, kind and forgiving. But now he’s so obviously not the guy who should be head coach and it’s frustrating to fans. It seems it’s all about Pete’s ego. I agree that if he sticks around, he’s going to tarnish his legacy. Not destroy it. But leave people with a really bad taste in their mouths.
His feet up on the desk during his “interview” on 710 the morning after being totally bullied by the stealers says you’re right AND says he knows he ain’t going anywhere unless he wants to.
Absolute power………..you know the rest.
Thanks to a weak incompetent money inheriting so called owner
Sorry to comment twice in a row. Bad form. I just have to say that I don’t see it as a problem at all if people are excited about the Huskies. That was true in the late 80s and early 90s. In those days it was easy to score a ticket to the Kingdome, super hard to get a ticket to Husky Stadium. But fast forward to 2012 and that had flipped. People love football in Seattle. They’ll respond to both teams when they’re exciting to watch. The love for one team just builds the potential support for the other.
For the Huskies to win on Monday would be a dream and in no way detrimental to the Seahawks. Winning begets excitement and everyone benefits from that. Think of it as similar to three gas stations at an intersection. Each does more business than if there were one.
I haven’t watched the stream so this might be out of context, but Rob (or Jeff, or whoever) might have meant that the happiness from the Huskies can mask the feelings of the Seahawks. Be a distraction.
For the team (who makes sure to post things about the Huskies), it could be a bit of the Coliseum: “oh look over here, look at the gladiators, not what is happening with us.”
That does happen. When the Diamondbacks went to the World Series, I changed my tune with the Seahawks for about a week or so. I was thinking “hey if you get in the playoffs, you never know. One of my teams did it so why not the other one?”
I could be completely wrong, especially with not listening to the livestream.
Pete’s “gladiator” got his arm chopped off and he made John trade a yacht, a house on the lake and a Tesla for a bandaid. Then he signed the gladiator to a 4 year max extension.
The gladiator then got his leg cut off and Pete cashed out half of his 401k and sold his Subaru for the right to borrow a crutch for the next 10 rounds.
Pete shouldn’t be in charge of the Gladiators anymore.
I really like the Seahawks, but I love the Huskies.
It is tough to explain, but cheering for the school that you graduated from is a completely different feeling from what you feel for professional athletes that you don’t have a connection to. There is nothing that the Seahawks could do, good or bad, to engender similar emotions.
That’s true for me to a lesser extent. I have more attachment to the Huskies but not because I feel a part of the school (or any other school I’ve attended for that matter). To me, it’s more about region. Either way, it’s a tribal thing, which I see through in the sense that I know we’re all the same. Which is why I don’t really take part in the rivalries. I like Duck fans if they’re good people. Same for Cougars. I rooted for all the Pac-12 teams in their bowl games, the Ducks included.
My adopted home is Bellingham and I feel fortunate to be accepted into the community. I feel like an adopted son and I’m grateful. Was first drawn to the Pacific Northwest soon after I graduated my first college, Johns Hopkins, in 1985. By “86, I was in Portland and the Seahawks were my team because I loved the PNW and this is the team that seemed to best represent it.
When I go back for college reunions, the big sport is lacrosse. The Lacrosse Hall of Fame is right on campus and Hopkins has a huge history in the sport. But I don’t root for the team anymore. I’ve been gone too long. It’s a fine institution. I feel fortunate to have had the opportunity to attend such a fine college. But I don’t see it as part of me or me as part of it. In other words, I don’t hang any ego on the fact that I went there even though it’s supposedly, according to some people, an elite institution. I respect it for the excellence I see in so many of its programs and I revile the corporate, soulless aspects of the institution.
Once I broke free of the east coast, I went to California but it wasn’t home. I started moving north and west until I feel in love with Portland, which was then a much smaller backwater of a city. Lived in a suburb called Clackamas and found it so charming. Later on, I moved to Seattle, which wasn’t as charming, but I had dragons to slay and big cities are better for such things. Then, after a detour through Tucson for law school and 15 years of legal practice, I came to Bellingham in 2010. My heart is in the Pacific Northwest. It has been since I first found it. I never attended UW but my son did. Even if he hadn’t, I’d still be a Husky. One doesn’t have to be a graduate to be a fan. These alliances are about whatever moves us. It’s a purely emotional thing. A matter of the heart.
Like you, I feel more attached to the Huskies and have since I first became a fan after moving to Seattle in 1990. I find it easier to cheer for college kids because they’re young and idealistic. Especially the walk ons and the recruits not likely to ever make huge gobs of money. They’re just kids; many of them will never play professionally; and even for those who are likely to make the NFL, they haven’t made it yet. They don’t come across like celebrities or spoiled princes, most of them. Particularly if they have a coach like DeBoer who signs kids with a team-first attitutde. They’ve got everything on the line and leave it all on the field. One injury could ruin it all. They play their hearts out. How can one not love that?
I try not to think about the football players at Johns Hopkins, who were mostly creeps. The lacrosse players were way more classy, most of them. They were in my dorm freshman year so I became friends with some. Of course, none of these guys were ever gonna make big bucks from their sport. Lacrosse was a niche sport in those days and still is, though less so now. Hopkins never invested in a stadium so the football team was division 3. With 20/20 hindsight, they should have invested and joined the Ivy League because that moniker became a source of status for the schools that belonged. But no one knew that would happen when Division II-A broke off from the rest of Division II.
I sometimes feel a similar sense of fondness for NFL guys on their first contract. Typically, the younger ones. The guys who don’t strut and show attitude and act like egotistical morons if they make a big play, even if their team is losing. Conversely, when I see college kids who do act that way, I have no interest. I saw that in one of the Longhorn’s receivers. I won’t name names because I could be wrong and don’t like to gossip or backstab. Plus, they’re just kids and may grow out of it. God knows I wouldn’t want to be judged by who I was at that age.
For the most part, I have less attachment to the Seahawks because the players are part warrior and part spoiled celebrity. But there are exceptions. Men who give a lot back to the community. Can’t help but respect people like that. I don’t like Geno Smith as a quarterback but I love the attitude he brings to the game because it’s clear that whether he starts or backs up, he knows how lucky he is and he appreciates that so many haven’t had similar good fortune. So I admire him for his character, am glad he made some money, and just the same I hope the Hawks move on from him.
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2024/1/2/24021919/seattle-seahawks-defense-pete-carroll-clint-hurtt-nfl-analysis-opinion
Good article with the terrifying stats on Seattle defense & why it falls on Pete
Pete just issued a challenge.
“You ask ‘How can you get better in a week?’ Well, watch. We’re gonna do that.”
Should have asked: “how can you get better in a week when you can’t in 5 years?”
Sure, go beat up on an NFL basket case (if you can) before getting blown out in the playoffs if Green Bay stumbles.
Well it’s pretty hard not to get better compared to last week.
I hope they get worse – I just dont see winning against Arizona as a good thing long term for this franchise.
A double-whammy of Chicago winning (opening the door) and the Seahawks looking listless again to lose out on a playoff spot would sure supercharge things.
This franchise badly NEEDS that to happen
I know Rob says he will never root for them to lose, but at some point if you’re so adamant about wanting change, then you kind of have to, to get the desired end result. I’ve been rooting for them to lose since the 2nd half of last yr when it became apparent the team was a fraud.
Rob leads a community. He can’t openly root against the Seahawks. How he feels in his heart is a private matter. Maybe he roots for them, maybe he doesn’t. Most likely, he feels a bit torn, just like the rest of us. Some weeks I feel positively schizophrenic, wanting them to lose but smiling and cheering on the players when they make great plays.
I don’t think there is any question that Rob roots for the Seahawks. He is just tired of rooting for a team that is spinning its wheels and shows no signs of moving in the direction of competing for a championship. Like him and many others here, my excitement to watch games recently has gone lukewarm.
Oh I definitely agree that he is tired of rooting for a team that is going nowhere (as am I). The product has gotten so boring and stale that I don’t even bother to really watch the games anymore. Regime change will bring me back in, but until that happens I don’t have much investment in the team.
It’s just too bad the Raven’s game wasn’t scheduled for this weekend, but then a loss to the Cardinals is more humiliating…one can only hope. I am getting cautiously optimistic that Pete is done after this season…I count at least five recent articles (National and local) outside of this forum that are calling for the end of the Pete Carrol era in Seattle. This sound vibe is a first and hopefully it resonates with Seahawk ownership.
I’m hoping for him to leave but not expecting it. Nothing about Jody Allen indicates a hands-on owner willing to rock the boat and nothing about Pete Carroll indicates a guy who’s willing to put down the reality distortion lenses and slowly back away.
I hate this Seahawks Defense!
I hate this Coaching Staff!
I hate the possibly indifferent ownership!.
I hope that the Cardinals win 102 to 3 this Sunday!
Right now I’m saving all my fan mojo prayers for the Huskies and a national championship but, once that game’s over (either way), I’ll be right there on the barricades with you (elated or licking my wounds and working to regain perspective. A 14-1 season, winning the Pac-12 13-0, getting to the title game and finishing number 2 is still historical — right? (I’ll reflect on that while I hyperventilate.)
I hate the Pete Carroll apologists and the Seattle media who continue to support his bullshit, if I might add lol
I’m too old to hate anyone over sports perspectives and opinions. I reserve those sorts of emotions these days for those who commit horrible crimes, for those who kill, maim and harm others. For those who would destroy others for a buck. Football is just entertainment. I try to find something to enjoy, even when things don’t go the way I hope. That capacity will be tested if the Huskies fail to win on Monday. High stakes to experience something historic.
Serious question for you guys: do you think he sees he’s on the verge of becoming a pariah considering the obviously growing unhappiness from the fanbase and the increasing rumblings in the media?
Pariah’s too strong a word. Pathetic perhaps. A pain in the ass for sure. But he’ll always be beloved for what’s he’s accomplished.