Open thread Saturday

Share who you’re watching and who stands out in college football today.

By the way — how about this touchdown scored (eventually) by blog favourite Harold Brantley (ex-Mizzou, now with NW Missouri State)…


  1. Volume12

    Michigan DE Taco Charlton continues to impress me. Was taking on double teams today and did not look uncomfortable nor was he moved off the ball at all the POA.

    IMO he’ll test very well come combine time. Right now he’s a top 50 guy for me. In other words, the type of guy I could see Seattle taking at the back end of round 1 or early to mid 2nd.

    • C-Dog

      I think he’s a very likely target.

  2. Volume12

    There goes my guy! Texas RB D’Onta Foreman. The perfect blend of size, speed, and power. Raw, but full of upside. And his pass protection might be the best of any back in the country. High character kid too.

    Looking to extend his streak of 100 yard rushing games to 9 straight.

    • Volume12

      Foreman has now rushed for 110 yds+ in all 7 games of 2016.

      Had 16 carries and 119 yds in the 2nd quarter alone.

      32 carries, 250 yds, 2 TDs for 7.81 YPC.

      Coaches said he’s scratched, clawed, out worked, and fought for everything he’s gotten. Wasn’t highly recruited.

      • Rob Staton

        Certainly fun to watch but does give the vibe of an overachiever rather than a special athlete.

        • Volume12

          Probably not a great athlete. However, he runs so smooth it fools the eye by how fast he’s actually moving at his size.

          Scary thing with him, he’s still figuring who he is and how to take advantage of his strengths.

  3. Johnny

    Any thoughts on Myles Gaskin? Washington’s got a solid OL

    • HawkFan907

      He’s got some moves! You are starting to see UW take over this game.

      • AlaskaHawk

        I wouldn’t call him a power runner. Goes down on contact. He is a speedy back that exploits holes and has quick lateral movement.

  4. Kenny Sloth

    Malik McDowell was totally absent from the first half of the mich/state game. Hopefully he turns it on, because this is the kind of game where money gets made. It’s not enough to ride out an insane performance by the one man wrecking machine Jabrill Peppers who has looked equally comfortable at corner and linebacker for Michigan

    • Rob Staton

      Peppers was insane in that game.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        Pretty much etched his name into the top 3 pick in the upcoming draft.

    • Trevor

      Peppers is a hell of an athlete! Rob could he be hybrid deathbacker or more of a traditional safety at the next level?

      It is incredible how quickly Harbaugh has turned around that program.

      • Rob Staton

        He can be pretty much anything. FS, SS, LB, Deathbacker. You can line up on the edge and challenge him to get after it. He’s running the ball on offense. He is a sensational talent.

        • Volume12

          Watch out for Nebraska’s Nate Gerry. 6’2, 220 lbs. Reminds me of a poor man’s Mark Barron.

  5. icb12

    I’m liking this joe Williams from Utah more and more.

    Looking totally different after he un-retired.

    • HawkFan907

      I agree, but his fumbling issues pre retirement are a huge red flag for me. I’m worried that one more fumble might send his confidence spiraling downwards again. The talent is there for sure. The most impressive thing about Utah is their punter, he is money!

  6. rowdy

    Huskies self destructing right now

  7. Trevor

    The is a ton of talent on that Florida D. Only Alabama has more talent on the defensive side of the ball IMO. Between Alabama and Florida’s defenses there are 8-10 1st rounders.

    • Rob Staton

      Agreed. If Florida had even an average offense they would be awesome.

  8. rowdy

    Huskies look like the most overrated team in the country.

    • HawkFan907

      Utah is a good team and they are at home, which is a tough place for anyone to play. I expect UW to come roaring back here. Utah definitely deserves their ranking and UW needs to prove that they deserve theirs. I think they will as the game draws nearer to a close.

      • Rob Staton

        Today isn’t about style points for UW. It’s about winning probably the toughest game remaining on their schedule aside from the Apple Cup. Any kind of win will do. And they’re on track.

        • icb12

          I would disagree.

          This is about style points- this is their ONLY tough game so far.
          They haven’t beat anybody yet. They beat a Stanford decimated by injury. That’s it.

          • Rob Staton

            Winning is the key. Always will be. They’ve shown enough ‘style’ in their blowouts so far. Got to prove you can beat a good, tough opponent on the road. They did it. This type of win is arguably more important than a blow out.

            Plus there’s only one team in CFB this year looking great every week so far.

        • C-Dog

          There you have it. Pettis to the rescue.

          • sdcoug

            Pettis and 3 blocks in the back

    • TannerM

      Louisville needs a touchdown with thirteen seconds left to beat a 2-5 Virginia, Ohio St is tied against Northwestern at home in the fourth, Baylor is having trouble shooting against Texas’s defense… and Washington is your pick for looking like the most overrated team right now?

      • rowdy

        And uw is the only team out of them that has that are widely considered a playoff team. If we win we likely be out of the top 4. It comes down to people’s opinion of you and we don’t look impressive on either side of the ball. Utah is good not great enough to sway national attention.

        • TannerM

          Uh, Louisville is #5 in the polls, Ohio St is #6, and Baylor is basically the Big 12’s last hope. If they’re not in the he playoff hunt, I’m not sure who else is.

          • Volume12

            They win out and they’re in. Doesn’t matter if the PAC 12 has had a down year.

            • rowdy

              Uw has dropped in the rankings 3 time this year despite being undefeated, winning out means nothing. I was talking about national rankings of the top 4, not just ap or coaches polls. Any top 10 team could easily be considered in the playoffs hunt. And the comment was based how they were playing at that time. I said the same thing about hawks 3rd quarter against Atlanta. And it was looking similar at one point.

              • dylanlep

                They won on the road against the number 17 team in the nation. They are fine. They missed Joe Mathis though, hopefully he can come back for the stretch.

                • rowdy

                  It’s amazing how different the d line looked without him, might be the most valuable d line men. That’s saying a lot. Williams is good but the Utah oline is a force and caused a lot of problems

              • Rob Staton

                I’m starting to think people are uncomfortable with success. That somehow it’s never enough. Seattle and UW have reached a level now where simply winning isn’t enough for some. It should be enjoyed and appreciated.

                • dylanlep

                  Totally agree Rob. I’m a UW fan and the ironic thing is that we haven’t had much of anything to celebrate for 15 years. Started to hear grumbling from fans (though to be fair it certainly isn’t the majority) last week over only a 41-17 win over Oregon St (up 31-0 at half). The Huskies are 8-0 and in the college football playoff discussion, if you are a UW fan you should be having a blast right now!

                • rowdy

                  I’m not uncomfortable with it I embrace it. What makes me uncomfortable is the fact that it becomes a popularity contest and a highlight reel offense can push a great all-around team out because some voters look at stats first.

                  • Rob Staton

                    If they win every game they’ll be in. Style points mean nothing if they’re unbeaten.

                  • Kenny Sloth

                    There are still a bunch of unbeaten teams in the nation.

                    I’m rubbing my webbed fingers together waiting for a collapse

                  • Volume12

                    Kenny my man, there’s 5 unbeaten’s left and 4 of them are the top 4 teams in the country. W. Michigan being the other.

                • icb12


                  Udub hasn’t achieved anything. They had a decent season last year
                  And have a heck of a start this year.

                  But unaatisfied with success?? How about they show some success. Let’s start with winning the PAC12.

                  • Rob Staton

                    It’s still OK to enjoy an 8-0 start and not stress about ‘style points’ on a road win against a tough as nails #17 team.

                  • Barry

                    Once again entitlement rearing its ugly head. IF and that’s a big if you watch more than one team around the nation for the enjoyment of it, you will realize how talented this young team is and especially how well coached. Peterson is a amazing coach. Look at his track record VS top teams. That was a division game yesterday and a great game.

                    Its been a great year and team to watch.

                • DavidM2

                  Well put Rob,

                  People need to chill out.

                • Ishmael

                  I’m not sure whether they’re uncomfortable, they’re just greedy. Winning isn’t enough, it has to be winning the right way, dominating in an aesthetically pleasing manner. As great as the Super Bowl win was, it seems to have fostered a wildly unrealistic set of expectations among a segment of the fanbase.

              • Volume12

                Winning out means everything. They aren’t gonna take a 1 loss Wisconsin, Baylor, L’ville, or whoever over an undeafted, if they are, Udub team.

                This team is legit man.

                Chris Peterson’s Boise St teams were always in the hunt, he’s got a built in resume and they’ll recognize that.

                • icb12

                  Personally I think that’s dangerous logic.

                  Records don’t mean much IMO. I think (I hope) the committee learned their lesson with FSU two years ago. And MSU last year. Neither was a top 4

                  It’s their job to take the 4 best teams regardless of record. So far they haven’t managed to do it.

                • rowdy

                  Winning out is everything but that alone doesn’t guarantee it. I could see taking a Louisville team over uw if uw doesn’t dominant teams like they should and Louisville does.

                  • peter

                    But l’ville didn’t dominate. They lost one and struggled today against a 2-5 team.

            • TannerM

              Absolutely. It’s tough to beat perfection, after all. But the three teams I mentioned still have playoff aspirations (Ohio State practically controls its own destiny), so why would anybody just ignore them?

              • TannerM

                Oops. I guess you classified it, so you can ignore this.

                • TannerM


              • AlaskaHawk

                Basically the 4 team BCS is a compromise. 8 teams would be more fair as there will always be a few that don’t make the 4 that probably should be given a chance. For instance any team that faced Alabama and lost should be evaluated on the rest of their season.

    • nichansen01

      They just comfortably beat a ranked team on the road. Relax.

      • sdcoug


        • rowdy

          Didn’t watch the game obviously lol

  9. Volume12

    I like this Tim Patrick kid. Big, long WR.

    I read something that every NFL scout that’s come through Utah and watched/attended their practice has asked about this kid.

    Seattle has scouted twice this year. One game against USC and attended one of their practices.

    Looks like the type of receiver they’d get in UDFA.

  10. Volume12

    ND’s Jarron Jones with 6 TFL! Impressive for a big man.

  11. rowdy

    Westbrook is killing it for Oklahoma

  12. Trevor

    He is only a Sophmore but DT / DE Christian Wilkins Clemson looks like an ideal 3 Tech (6-4 and 310lbs). From what I have seen has great quickness and motor. A DT who is playing DE because of injuries so had good versatility.

    Supposed to be a really intelligent high character guys as well. Someone I plan to keep an eye on for the 208 draft as he has the versatility and character the Hawks love.

    • C-Dog

      Yeah, he’s been looking impressive tonight.

      • Volume12

        CB Cordrea Tankersley had a rough game tonight.

        Clemson S Jadar Johnson is a stud. He’s someone I got firmly on my radar. Great ball skills and length.

        • Rob Staton

          Tankersley was poor — really ugly game for him. Can’t be getting targeted by a freshman QB.

          • C-Dog

            No kidding. It felt like he was getting linked in that second half.

            • C-Dog

              Punked, not linked

  13. Volume12

    Oregon TE Pharaoh Brown is very intriguing. Looks like he’s regained that athleticism that made him such a dynamic target 2 years ago. Hard working, tough kid. That leg injury he suffered back then was gruesome and could’ve been career ending.

    Good size, soft hands, works his way back to the ball, and a decent blocker too.

    • Volume12

      * 7 rec, 129 yds, 2 TDs on the day

    • Trevor

      Love to see a guy work like that and make it back from a horrific injury like that. If he can get through the year healthy and be one more year removed from that injury I can definitely see him at the next level.

      • Volume12

        He’s definetly a next level guy. Probably a late day 3 guy and a bit of a project for someone, but he can be a really good, solid #2 TE for a team.

        • Trevor

          Agree completely.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        He also has some off the field garbage that would have to be worked through.

        • Volume12

          His snowball fight?

          • CharlieTheUnicorn

            I thought he had something more serious, but maybe I’m confusing him with another duck player. They had some winners as of late. I just reread about his leg injury….. he is lucky to be alive, with both legs and playing at a high level. Very very very serious injury he had to overcome. (Seahawks material!)

    • Kenny Sloth

      Former DE

  14. Trevor

    For a team in Rd #1 looking for an RB Devlin Cook is going to be a very nice consolation prize if you miss on Fournette. I have liked him since he was a freshman with Winston.

  15. C-Dog

    Dalvin Cook and DeMarcus Walker are practically willing Florida State past Clemson. As a Dawg fan, HUGE if they can pull this off.

    • Volume12

      That FB Florida St has looks like a freak of an athlete. Freddie Stevenson- 6’1, 240 lbs.

      As long as Seattle’s run game continues to lack physicality as well as their RT, they’ll keep using a FB.

      • C-Dog

        Stevenson is a stud, I’ve mocked him to Seattle a few times. Personally, I would love to see them get a traditional FB back on this team. Someone who can block, carry, and factor into the pass game if needed.

  16. Trevor

    I am 100% sold on Demarcus Walker. He would be the ideal inside / outside pass rusher in our scheme in a Michael Bennett type role.

    Rob you mentioned questions about his motor but it maybe because he plays almost every snap. I don’t see how he makes it to the end of Rd #1 but if he did would he ever be a great addition to the DL.

    • Volume12

      Dude can flat out fly.

      Love how they said when interviewed, his passion and emotions come through. He’s the leader of that team. AKA Alpha Male.

      • C-Dog

        I came across an interview online where he came across impassioned about players needing to step up a few weeks ago. I thought he was pretty impressive. I think he’s probably going to be a top 20 pick this year.

    • Rob Staton

      Nothing wrong with his motor vs Clemson for sure. Has been an issue in the past but today he was really good.

  17. CharlieTheUnicorn

    Dalvin Cook tied the FSU record for most rushing touchdowns in a game with four (done three other times, most recently by Antone Smith against Miami in 2008) ~ ESPN

    Let’s put it this way… if he wasn’t on the radar for many fan (and GMs) he is on the map now. 1st 2 rounds he will be a goner.. and I’m leaning towards late 1st.

    • C-Dog

      Definitely should be a player to consider in R1.

    • Rob Staton

      Cook goes top 10-15 for me. Had him at #9 in my last mock.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        Just his ability to hit the HR rush…. multiple rushes of over 15 yards. Complete explosion and acceleration to take it the distance….. I can see why people are getting excited. A couple of other sites are saying top 25 right now, so top 15 isn’t crazy. Is it just me or are there plenty of intriguing players this year…. the 1st round appears to be fluid, with the uncertainty at when and where a few “top” QBs might land.

  18. cover-2

    There are a handful of Michigan players I like, especially Taco Charlton. But, the one Michigan player that stood out to me today that wasn’t previously on my radar is Michigan DT Maurice Hurst. Hurst I believe is a redshirt junior and he is not a starter, but he looks to be their best interior rusher on defense. He is only 6-2 280 lbs, but today he was really disruptive and lived in the backfield. Definitely a player to keep track of during the draft process.

    • C-Dog

      Their DL is loaded.

  19. Kenny Sloth

    For those of you (wrongfully) pining for a Hauschka replacement; how about Automatic Andy Phillips from Utah?

    Never missed from 50+ in a game and is a 3 time Lou Groza award semifinalist. Utah career points scored record holder.

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      I think the kick went right, but the snapper has been suspect all season. More consistent as of late, but I’m still not sold he is the answer. Way too many balls snapped that a bit high or low and the punter has to scramble to get it on the ground for the kicker to make an easy kick.

    • rowdy

      Not sure why anyone would worry

      • Kenny Sloth

        More just a premise by which to introduce the prospect.

  20. Trevor

    Deshawn Watson is the Russel Wilson of college football. He just finds a way to win. When the chips are down he plays his beast and it is obvious his team mates have full confidence he will find a way to get it done.

    Not sure he has the skill set to be a great NFL QB but from a leadership and intangibles standpoint he is the real deal and light years ahead of any other QB prospect in this draft class.

    • Kenny Sloth

      I actually disagree and think he’s been shielded by his head coach and hasn’t developed that aspect of his game. Very quiet and not in a Marcus Mariota kind of way.

      I don’t know that he’s a proven leader

    • Volume12

      Good points. He’s not the most ‘toolsy’ QB and he won’t be asked to run as much, but those intangibles you describe are off the charts.

      One reason HC Dabo Sweeney is my favorite in CFB is because he’s not concerned with playing this pretty, picture perfect game. He keeps game close, his teams play good football, and they always, always finish.

  21. Kenny Sloth

    Dark Horse MVP candidates for you guys?

    I think Russell, Ryan, Brees, Stafford, Brady are in the mix

    Melvin Gordon has 10 TDs this year already

    Lorenzo Alexander the LB from Buffalo leads the league in FF and sacks.

    Marcus Peters once again leads the league in INTs

    • Kenny Sloth


    • AlaskaHawk

      Brady because they will easily win their Division and as a middle finger toward commissioner Goodell.

      • Kenny Sloth

        But hasn’t it been pretty apparent how not valuable he is with his absence and the Patriots continued success.

  22. Volume12

    Did ESPN’s Chris Berman say Michael Bennett had or was having surgery and would be out ‘for just a few weeks?’

    • Kenny Sloth


    • Volume12

      And he was right.

      • Volume12

        Ian Rappoport said Seahawks have been in discussion with Bennett about contract extensio. Value is clear.

        Bennett will be out 2-3 weeks. Thank god it ain’t surgery.

        We’re gonna get a healthy Bam Bam, Bennett, Rawls, Lockett, and hopefully RW for the later part of the season? Be afraid NFL.

        • Volume12

          * not surgery. Season ending.

        • Kenny Sloth

          So no surgery is needed?!!!!

          • Volume12

            No it was a typo. He needs surgery to repair cartilage.

            • Kenny Sloth

              . fuck .

              Dammit I was stoked for a second.

              Is it blasphemous to say I think we can win without Mike B?

              Black Santa isn’t real! Parents put sacks under the tree.

              Oh I just got that. He’s black Santa because he is always followed by a sack that everyone loves.

  23. Kenny Sloth

    CB from Utah Bryan is a former WR with a 6’4 206 frame.
    You’re welcome

    • Volume12

      Brian Allen. He’s a stud. Very ‘Seahawky’ type of corner.

      • Kenny Sloth

        You would know him hahah

        • Volume12

          Actually a dude, one of my favorites BTW, that used to be a regular on here, still posts from time to time, Peter, pointed him out a year or two ago, and I’ve been tracking him since.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Wow that’s pretty unique.

            I don’t think I know Peter.

            Even though we post a ton, it’s the amount of fans that really makes this site click. Everyone’s always feeding prospects across my radar.

            And we start beating Mel Piper to prospects.

            • Volume12

              Agreed. About the fan part of this site. One reason I do post so much is because I can have discussions, breakdowns, debates, with guys like you and 90% of the fans here won’t get all in their feelings or feel some type of way about it.

              • Kenny Sloth

                I got a little heated there about McCaffrey for a second lol but more about the process of evaluation

            • Kenny Sloth


  24. Kenny Sloth

    Josh Norman getting worked by AJ Green.

    If we’re talking about MVP candidates, perhaps no receiver is more important to their teams success as AJ Green. They really run the offense through him.

    • Volume12

      Just like with Megatron. It’ll never get them anywhere.

      • Kenny Sloth

        Aw come on You don’t see the Bungholes challenging for a ring?

        • Volume12

          The Bungholes. ? Your always good for a laugh bro bro.

          • Volume12

            And I mean that in the best way possible.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Just like Cincy in the playoffs 😉

            • Volume12

              Brah, if we have to watch OT between Cindy and Washington over the start of the Hawks game, I am gonna be salty as a MF!

  25. Volume12

    Justin Britt was taken off the field on a golf cart during pre-game warmups, but returned in full uniform, jogging, to greet Jimmy Graham. Hope there’s no issue and he’s okay.

  26. Volume12

    We’re gonna be lookin’ bright in the all white uni’s.


  27. Volume12

    Let’s watch C-Mike trip over his own feet all day.

    • rowdy

      Or watch the oline not block anyone all game

      • Volume12

        C-Mike gets what is blocked for him. He doesn’t create on his own and brings no physicality to the position.

        • rowdy

          I agree but being hit by multiple people behind the line every carry isn’t on him

        • LordSnow

          Cmike “not being the guy” is one thing. Blaming him for the running game woes is another. Too many people on this board blame him for things he’s not responsible for.

  28. Volume12

    ET baby! There’s your drakhorse defensive MVP Kenny.

    Picture perfect punch on the ball.

    • Kenny Sloth

      He had the strip?

      • Volume12

        Shead or Coyle I think.

  29. Kenny Sloth

    Or watch Earl get the fumble 6

  30. rowdy

    Frank the tank

  31. Volume12

    Frank!! Let it rip boy. Its your time to shine.

  32. Volume12

    RW is too gun shy. He takes no chances. Zero.

  33. rowdy

    Hawks starting where they left off

  34. Kenny Sloth

    Brandon Coleman with the business decision.

  35. AlaskaHawk

    As usual Alaska gets screwed by overtime in Wash-Cinn game. Finally get coverage in the second quarter. Why can’t they just go to Seahawks and flash back to big plays in previous game?

  36. rowdy

    Now if we can not get put in a 2nd and 20+ again

  37. rowdy

    Big Mac is his name

    • Volume12

      Or T-Mac.

  38. Volume12

    There we go. About time we start using Prosise. As I’ve said, he’s more than just a RB.

    And was that a P-Rich sighting? You mean him and Prosise add an explosive, dynamic element? Huh.

    • Kenny Sloth

      When Lockett is still looking sooo slowww

    • rowdy

      It was also great to see a fb in a play

  39. Kenny Sloth

    Ifedi had the ugly sack allowed on a pull. Didnt reset the edge.

    But he put a DE on his back at the goalline

    Watch for him to clap his hands, everyone at A&M knew when GI started clapping thats when he was gonna lay the hurt on someone. Even in practices

    • Volume12

      That sack was on RW.

      • Kenny Sloth

        I guess butbhe certainly could have blocked the veteran Paul Kruger better.

      • Kenny Sloth

        I guess but he certainly could have blocked the veteran Paul Kruger better.

  40. nichansen01

    McEvoy seems to make an impactful play every game. Amazing.

    • Kenny Sloth

      “What now bitches?”

      Signed, Darrell Bevell

      • AlaskaHawk

        They are taking “open up the playbook” to heart.

  41. Volume12

    WTF was that? Just staring down his receivers. Never gong through his reads.

    • nichansen01

      Wilson… I’m not sure what to say about him. Hasn’t been good this year. Through 6 games… Only 5 touchdowns.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Ugly for sure. Not only stared down Kearse, but also threw right at him instead of leading.

    • AlaskaHawk

      Nothing like double coverage in the middle to break a QBs heart.

    • rowdy

      He’s not same, he’s had been way off

      • Volume12

        I’m not in agreement that he’s a great pocket passer. He can be, but not there yet.

        • Trevor

          I think he really is gun shy this year Vol. He has had the crap kicked out of him and does not have his legs to fall back on. When you take away any players biggest strength it affects their whole game.

          I agree completely he has been off this year but I think it is for good reason. I also think as he gains mobility he will not only look better scrambling but when he is in the pocket as well because he will be much more confident physically.

  42. Volume12

    These penalties are ridiculous man. How are you supposed to play pass defense?

    • rowdy

      There all one sided too

      • Volume12

        Yup. I’ve seen NO WR Michael Thomas push off twice.

  43. CHawk Talker Eric

    Really surprised with ARI this year. Despite a great D and a stacked roster, they just aren’t contenders.

    • Volume12

      I was just gonna say. They’re getting thumped.

  44. Kenny Sloth

    KJ Wright is the single most pivotal player against the Saints Offense.

    He really takes away the screen game and is a more favorable matchup than most other weapons on this D

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      KJ could be the MVP of this year’s D. Week in, week out, he makes plays all over the field. He’s developed into one of the League’s premier LBs.

  45. AlaskaHawk

    New Orleans is making a game out of it. I’m proud of Seahawks defensive line and play of KJ Wright.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      And they’re doing it again despite being on the field an inordinate amount of time. SEA offense need to convert some 1st downs and extend drives.

    • LordSnow

      The defense looks totally gassed. NO is playing the perfect gameplan.

  46. CHawk Talker Eric

    SEA should run the 2min offense all the time. That’s when RW really shines.

    • Volume12

      Or at least some variation of it.

    • lil'stink

      I think it also hides some of the deficiencies of the OL. Their inability to run block might be our biggest problem so far this season. Simply incompetent at times.

  47. Volume12

    Perfect drive by Seattle and RW and the goddamn LS with yet another awful snap.

  48. nichansen01

    Man o man we need a long snapper.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      That looked like it was all Ryan.

      • Volume12

        He’s gotta hold onto that, but the snap was way outside his body.

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          I miss having free Saturdays to watch CFB and discuss prospects with you V12. Hope to get at least one in this season before it’s over.

          • Volume12

            Me and you both my man. Just ain’t the same.

  49. Volume12

    I’m not one for conspiracy theories or anything, but when NO has zero, yes ZERO penalties, the game by game disparity in flags starts to get a little shady.

    The NFL trying to tone down the physicality of the game. Yeah, that’ll be fun. ?

  50. Kenny Sloth

    Anybody else think that Big Hit on Fitzpatrick is hilarious?

    His face slid like fourbyards through turf

  51. CHawk Talker Eric

    Good start to the 2nd half. CMike running like a lead back for a change. And there goes my man Prosise!

    • Kenny Sloth

      They both look like compliments though. Would love to have our Bellcow back!

      Needs to be addressed in the draft because I’m not comfortable with several of our injured players.

      Lockett looks extremely dull as a runner. Still tough and thick but doesnt have the burst that made that thickness violent

  52. CHawk Talker Eric

    Let the conspiracy theories begin. The officiating is awful. Shead has as much right to the ball as the NOS WR. There was no holding on that play.

    • Volume12

      He was within 5 yds of the LOS too.

      3rd down? Throw a flag. Big run? Throw a flag.

      If isn’t a dropped ball, over thrown, tipped, or under thrown it’s a PI. Can’t be a pass deflection or a pass broken up (PBU).

      • Kenny Sloth

        They never seen sticky coverage in the Super Dome

  53. rowdy

    The officials are definitely throwing this game

  54. CHawk Talker Eric

    Avril lost on that play.

  55. CHawk Talker Eric

    Another tremendous goal line stand by SEA D

    • Kenny Sloth

      They’re looking for a record this year or something

      Can we talk about Frank Clark’s emergence as a solid if perhaps spectacular DE.

      Even with the shedded weight he plays the inside so well

  56. Kenny Sloth

    Gilliam cant even chop block the elite Cam Jordan

  57. rowdy

    Wilson is hurt and not capable of leading an offense right now. We’re playing the worst day in the league and can hardly get first downs

    • Kenny Sloth

      Lead them down the field for some fga’s

      Point disproven.

      • rowdy

        The run game did that

        • Kenny Sloth

          I dont remember them running it much with 30 seconds left in the half to drive into range.

          Its been penalties both weeks imo.

          • rowdy

            I don’t remember scoring then

            • Kenny Sloth

              He’s putting together drives, cobtrolling whatvhe can control.

              There’s an obvious candidate for the cause of our offensive woes and it’s the lack of consistency on the OL. It was easy to predict as it has been each season.

              Where do most penalties occur? The trenches and defensive backfield.

              We have large DB’s and cheap OL. It should be obvious also that we are consistently the most penalized team in the league.

              And aside from turnovers and sacks i can’t think of a bigger drive killer than penalties.

              Russ had that ugly interception but other than stalling drives he’s having a solid game despite no real home run threats

  58. LordSnow

    Richard is going to have to take more chances with this defense. It’s too gassed. Brees will just dink and dunk forever and they’ll be on the field forever. No Bennett to collapse the pocket. And the offense isn’t helping the situation. WHat kind of a third down play was that? Even if he completes it he doesn’t get the first down.

  59. Ishmael

    Is there a reason the run game has been so totally abandoned? Because I can’t think of one, is the O-line truly that incompetent? Forfeiting the run is letting opposition defences tee off on Wilson, and it’s putting a wildly unfair burden on the Hawks defence.

    • LordSnow

      No Jimmy, no doug, limited Prich, some Kearse, not much downfield anymore unless its tanner mcvoy

  60. rowdy

    So no block in back for no?

  61. Kenny Sloth

    Jarran Reed puts a guy on his back hard.

    Our first two picks are looking like some of the strongest men in the NFL and future cornerstones at their positions.

  62. Volume12

    Why was that not offensive PI? It was a rub route more than 1 yard past the LOS.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Some of the more questionable officiating I’ve seen in a while.

    • DavidM2

      Fucking pathetic. Hold on Shead bullshit too

    • Trevor

      That the most obvious Offensive PI calls I have ever seen. How do you miss that?

  63. Kenny Sloth

    Wow Pete is really tearing into those refs.

  64. CHawk Talker Eric

    Finally a sustained drive

  65. CHawk Talker Eric


  66. Volume12

    C-Mike fits the power run game much more than the ZBS. That’s what they were running on that 1st drive of the 2nd half.

    • Kenny Sloth

      How about that hot route to Prich. Looks like that Cali WR camp did some good for their communication

  67. Volume12

    Another flag on 3rd down. Shocked.

    11-12 penalties to 1 for NO.

  68. LordSnow

    Blame this officiating on arians. I’m sure he lobbied the NFL front office this week.

  69. Ishmael

    We’re not going to win this. Frustrating given the state of the division and conference.

    • Volume12

      Super frustrating. It’s one thing to lose, but when the refs decide the outcome? Infuriating.

      That’s 2 illegal pick plays on NO. No call. But a false start on a RB? Never seen that called I don’t think. If I have, can’t remember when.

      • DavidM2

        Man, I thought I was watching Super Bowl XL all over again

  70. Volume12

    False start on a RB? Every time we get a stop on 3rd down it’s a flag. This is ridiculous. I would rage if I was PC.

    The penalties are becoming too one sided.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Refs missed the offensive PI on that 3rd down pass too.

  71. Trevor

    I knew this was going to be a very difficult game with the injuries, fatigue, East Coast Travel and Early start time. But a 12-1 difference in penalties plus a bunch of missed Offensive PI calls are just too much to overcome even for this team.

    • Volume12

      Yup. And Seattle gets away with 1 PI, it’s a national hot topic or discussion.

  72. Trevor

    Best we can he for now is for Russ to get it back with 1:30 left down by 5.

    Still think with a tired D that Pete should have gone for it on 4th down from the 2.

    • LordSnow

      That’s a real tough throw to make on a last play. I’d prefer they try to let Graham make that play, and live or die with it.

      • Trevor

        Completely agree!

  73. CHawk Talker Eric

    Maybe if the refs let them play, RW can have another magical game winning drive.

  74. Rik

    The calls are infuriating, but even with the one-sided referees there’s something seriously wrong with our offense. This (NO) is the worst defense in the NFL. Russ looks incredibly indecisive. I don’t know what’s up with him, but he’s hesitating when he has open men downfield. Something’s got to change soon, because we can’t keep on grinding our defense into the dirt.

  75. rowdy

    Come on guys

  76. Rik

    Russ throws it out of bounds. Doesn’t even give Kearse a chance. Sheesh.

  77. rowdy

    On the plus side… nothing. They failed on every aspect of the game

    • Rik

      No major injuries, right? That’s a plus.

      • rowdy


  78. LordSnow

    C’mon, use Jimmy in those situations. Real tough throw to make to a WR who is not a mismatch. Live or die with Jimmy but I guess Russ trusts Kearse. Not a great play there.

  79. AlaskaHawk

    Wow! That was a poor two minute drill. First two plays in the middle take one minute, and third play to edge doesn’t get out of bounds. They were lucky to even get a shot at the end zone. Why did RW scramble up the middle instead of throwing ball away? Time was more important then 6 yards.

    • rowdy

      Wilson’s miscues this game are to long list

    • LordSnow

      I didn’t get why cmike came in to deliver a play to RW, making them lose 15 seconds, and it’s a four yarder to Baldwin?

    • vrtkolman

      Horrible time management for sure.

  80. LordSnow

    Carolina really needs to win today or it will negate a lot of that effort last week to forge a tie.

  81. Trevor

    I have been a supporter of Bevel the last couple of years and still am but not sure how you don’t run a play for Graham or Baldwin on the final play of the game. Really makes no sense. Russ has to throw that ball better to at least give Kearse a chance to go back through the WR for a PI at the very least.

    • AlaskaHawk

      There should have been 4+ receivers in the end zone. Have to watch a replay to know what was run.

  82. Volume12

    Impressed with Prosise. He’s speed and burst to the edge is incredible.

    RW’s INT was the difference maker. NO got the momentum and didn’t look back. But, Russ showed more mobility than he has all year.

    • Trevor

      I thought he was our best offensive player today Vol.

      Now that he is healthy he needs to start getting more touches IMO.

    • AlaskaHawk

      Seemed like they were doing better with running game in second half. Did New Orleans adjust to that and Seahawks couldn’t adjust again? Baffling game. Penalties hurt of course, but Seahawks still could have won. I’m going to blame the usual slow offense start in first half. Seahawks can’t play just one half of offense.

      • Volume12

        On that 1st drive in the 2nd half, it was power run formations. No ZB.

  83. Trevor

    Scary part today is Fant looked better than Gilliam at least live. Have to watch the tape but at least from an initial glance.

    Also props to Kelce Mcray. Another solid game by him. I thought he was the best player in the secondary today. I think you have to find a spot for him when Kam returns. At the very least he has made himself a lot of money the last couple of weeks as he is going to be a FA.

  84. Ukhawk

    The Nightmare before Christmas, I’m wishing for 3 things:
    – To establish a run game
    – To stop trying to win the game in the final drive
    – To stop getting stupid, drive killing offensive or drive extending defensive penalties
    To throw the jump ball to Jimmy agraham in the end zone. How many times this season??

    Very frustrating, can’t imagine how the players feel

    • Barry

      I second these.

  85. Forrest

    Well that left a bad taste in my mouth. The offense didn’t do anything great, but I’m more concerned about the defense today. They gave up way too many plays (not including penalty shenanigans). I wasn’t expecting a loss, but after last week I think this sort of game was inevitable, just look at the Cardinals this week. I’m still optimistic for the season, but it’s gonna be an uphill battle from here on out. Historically this team does better later in the season, and 4-2-1 isn’t terrible heading into November. Win the NFC West, then worry about home field advantage. The NFC playoff competition is the Vikings (beatable), Eagles (beatable), Falcons (beatable), Packers (beatable…but super dangerous), and the Cowboys (probably the most dangerous team in the NFC). I was expecting either a bad win or a close loss, and it was a somewhat close loss so I can’t complain too much…

    …That Wilson INT was face palm level bad though. Go Hawks!!

    • vrtkolman

      Our defense was on the field far too long again. You can’t expect them to play well after Sunday’s game and then being on the field for another 43 plays in the first half. Plus the referees were responsible for 7 of their points.

      The offense was horrendous again. 3 rushing yards in the first half, wow. I don’t think Joe Thomas will help all that much either. Russell is simply not a good QB right now. Poor pocket awareness, poor audibles (that 3rd and 8 where he changed the play into a 2 yard out to Graham with a defender draped around him.. why?), major double clutching which was a problem against Arizona too, Graham and Baldwin are invisible for portions of the game, Lockett is still hurt and slow, etc.

      Prosise looked great though. He looks like someone who you can handle 20 carries a game.

    • Volume12

      Every defense is gonna have a couple bad games. They were on the field way too much again.

      I can’t think of one team that would be in a position to win inside the 5 with the officiating as lop sided as it was.

    • LordSnow

      NO scoring on their last 6 possessions was telling. I really thought Kris Richard had to dial up something different because the traditional “make them drive the length of the field” defense wasn’t going to work with Brees sitting in a clean pocket. This should put to rest any ideas that we don’t need to resign Michael Bennett. We do, and he will get his money.

  86. sb

    Frustrating game…not sure why Russ didn’t clock it with over a min left after the 1st down midfield instead of letting 20+ seconds run out.

    Need to use Kelcie McCray in the deathbacker role since there’s no real sam after cam gets back…both seem good against the run and should be better against the pass.

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