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  1. Steve Nelsen

    A podcast on Blue Friday. It feels like football again.

    I will be watching the CBs this weekend, particularly Lane and Griffin, and hoping to see some pass rush out of the base four-man line. If they generate pressure on Rodgers, that might help the DBs with turnovers.

    If Seattle pulls out an upset win at Green Bay, especially if it is a strong win, thry could go on a nice little run to start the year. How long will it take the national media to turn from talk of the Patriots going 16-0 to Seattle going 16-0?

    • cha

      A decisive win in GB week 1 would get the ball rolling.

      Going into the bye 5-0 and healthy would ratchet things up.

      A thumping of the Falcons Week 11 would send things into overdrive.

  2. Volume12

    Remember last year when the NFL ratings were way down and everyone said it was because of the election and whatnoit? What’s the excuse now?

    • Ishmael

      It’s in trouble man. The race stuff, the concussion stuff, the insane suspensions, the sheer brutality and volume of injuries (33 ACLs in the preseason, Eric Berry gone for the season already,) and the all around No Fun League vibe. It’s like they’ve looked at everything that has made the NBA so popular and fun, and doubled down on doing the exact opposite.

      I still love football, but it’s problematic in so many ways.

      • Volume12

        Glad I’m not the only one who sees the same thing. People are getting turned off by it.

        I love it as well and will always watch it but people are actually smarting up and realizing that it’s not a contact sport. Its a collision sport. Literally getting in a car wreck 16 weeks out of the year.

        • Volume12

          *16-24 weeks out of the year and 3-4 times a week. That’s what, 48-98 car wreck esque impact on the brain and body a year!?

          • DC

            The amount of laundry getting thrown is a major turn off for me, especially when it’s seemingly directed at one team only. K.C. was getting buried in flags last night to the point I turned off the game for a while and took a small hike.

        • Ishmael

          Honestly, if they wanted to get serious about concussions/traumatic injuries, they’d get serious about PEDs. Kids are getting on the gear at 15-16 so they get can into the big college programs, and then guess what happens when they get there… There’s generational wealth at stake, so I can’t really blame them, especially when you hear about where so many of them come from.

          The NFL give it the surface treatment so it looks like they’re taking it seriously, pinging a minor player every now and then, but they’ve really got no interested in actually getting real – would do too much damage to the brand. But if you could get player sizes down to something sane, get rid of helmets, then you’d be getting somewhere.

          • Jujus

            The normies see you saying “gear” and have no idea what your referencing without some deduction skills.

          • Volume12

            Yeah, I totally get and understand why some guys feel they have to play this game because it really is their only way out and 1 shot at success.

            But for example, I also get why some former players don’t want their sons playing the game. They have opportunities afforded to them because their father risked his life so his son or sons didn’t have too.

            Its also hard to say because the league wasn’t doing comprehensive studies on CTE 25-35 years ago like now, but I wonder if these newer style helmets aren’t as protective as some think and the game is obviously not being taught well to kids. They have all these bad habits that take years to correct and then unfortunately by then it can be too late for a lot of them.

            And speaking of all the ACL injuries. Did u know that WR Larry Fitzgerald will tell the opposing team to hit him high not low and he’ll pay their fines.?

            • Ishmael

              The way tackling is taught is nothing short of disgraceful. And to see how hardwired it is into a lot of these guys, you only have to look at Earl. He might be the best safety in the league, but far out.

              That Fitz story is wild. I’m not sure what the answer is. In rugby, you have to ‘use the arms’ to make a tackle, I wonder if that might be a solution moving forward. Would stop those ugly dives at the knees.

              • KD

                That’s why every team, youth, amateur and pro needs to pay attention to how the Seahawks teach tackling. Remember PC’s Hawk Tackle video:


                Seahawks are consistently one of, if not the best, tackling teams in the NFL, and it all comes down to technique. You can hit hard, and effectively as well as much more safely. And, it does not decrease the toughness or physicality of the game. Plain and simply, it’s just as effective as anything else, but a lot safer.

          • Hawk Eye

            They can’t stop the PED’s. Too many players are involved. I have followed PED’s for 35 years now and they keep getting new ones and the players will take them to stay even.Starts at high school and has for years. At least 50% of the league probably uses something. And Brady at 40 not breaking down because he does not eat strawberries? Google his trainer, Alex Guerrero. Pure snake oil salesman. Brady claimed he could run faster at 39 than at 29. Impossible for anyone who has been training for 25 years to increase speed at those age parameters. Somehow, that guy is the new Balco, and one day it will spill out.
            Too much money, too much ego to get them out now. And the concussion danger increases because guys are bigger, stronger, faster. With the concussion lawsuit, the NFL cannot crack down. Then they have to explain why they missed it. Take the 32 trainers from the teams, and they can name 98% of the players using. There are numerous red flags, starting with unrealistic muscle weight gain and speed or power increase in short time periods. The trainers know who is doing something, but they either cannot say it, or are part of the problem.

            I love watching football, but not without guilt. Kind of like the Romans who went to the coliseum to see the show. I can never criticize any player that walks away early.

            • Ishmael

              I know a guy in England who trains people at the elite level, he’s got connections all over the world in the industry. He says minimum 85% of the NFL are using. The amount of players who pack on 15-20 pounds in the offseason? The mass they maintain throughout the year? It’s a house of cards, as soon as they start looking too closely the whole thing comes crumbling down. Totally agree with your post btw, it’s spot on. Guerrero is an absolute germ of a person, selling fake cancer cures for years. With you on the guilty pleasure aspect as well, it’s right at the absolute pinnacle of human physical capability, hard to look away.

          • KD

            Totally agree about the PED stuff. I have not heard of any studies or reports of how prevalent it is, but i am very willing to assume that it does happen. The rate at which it happens, I have no idea.

            Part of the reason why i wanted to respond to your comment was to relay one of the dumbest, and most irresponsible comments i have heard on the subject. I was listening to the Opie and Anthony show (a comedy radio show for anyone who is not familiar), and the subject of PEDs came up. They all agreed that PEDs are fine, and just let the players do them because fans want to see those 500 foot home runs. They were talking about it in the context of PEDs in baseball, and it is self evidently irresponsible, but it is also stupid because Ken Griffey Jr. is a living example that destroys the entire hypothesis of PEDs making a homerun hitter. Go on youtube and type in “Ken Griffey Jr Swing” and you will find dozens of videos breaking down how Griffey had one of the sweetest, and most technically perfect swings of all time. In the context of baseball, PEDs are just an excuse for a bad swing. Want to hit more home runs? Improve your swing. Want to get better at football? Learn the playbook >>>>>> Steroids.

      • nichansen01

        How do ACL injuries indicate “brutality”? A lot of ACL injuries are non contact.

        • Ishmael

          Do you know how hard it is to tear an ACL? It’s really difficult, you need a huge amount of shearing force.

          • Trevor

            I have tore ACL’s in both knees playing hockey and I assure you it did not seem that difficult. These athletes are huge and generate a tremendous amount of power and force when they run, stop, cut etc. They easily create the sheer force required and it is why there are so many ACL injuries now. Is is a combination of many factors including angle of knee flexion, foot placement and surface stability + force of impact and direction.

            Players get bigger, faster, stronger but their ligaments and tendons do not. PEDs do not increase ligament or tendon strength and elasticity.

            • KD

              I confess to being ignorant on the subject of medicine and physiology. If two people had the same physique, and one of them used steroids to achieve it and the other did it naturally, would the person who did it naturally have stronger ACL tendons? I don’t even know if an ACL can be strengthened. All I do know is that rapid changes in the body are dangerous. Gaining a lot of weight, losing a lot of weight, or putting on a lot of muscle in an un-naturally short time periodis very dangerous for a myriad of reasons.

              • Hawk Eye

                I would guess the PEDs would not affect the ACL, but PEDs allow for abnormally fast muscle growth by reducing the recovery time. Muscles grow by splitting into 2 cells and that takes 48 to 96 hours to recover. PEDs allow that to happen in 24 hours or so. This means you can work out more and get more results. It also helps recover from injuries faster.
                But, nature has a rule, for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. There is a price to be paid, but not enough study and research on what the price is for all of them. Liver? Kidneys? Weird muscle pulls? Muscles outgrowing the supporting ligaments and tendons? Muscles outgrowing frame capacity? Reduced capacity of the body to produce hormones itself because they are supplied artificially?
                Very possible that a lot of these ACL injuries are a result of muscles outgrowing the capacity to support them structurally.

                who knows what the price is, and people will react differently to the same substance, but it is unreasonable to assume there are not long term consequences to long term drug abuse. And we should equate PED’s with drug abuse because that is what it is.

          • Thorson

            I felt I should weigh in, as an orthopedic surgeon. Ligaments like the ACL attach bones to bones, as opposed to tendons which attach muscles to bones. As such, ligaments are generally not impacted by anabolic steroids. Many ACL tears are deceleration, non-contact injuries and as pointed out above, are sadly not that difficult to sustain. Perhaps my number one group of patients with the injury are thin, female soccer players. Obviously there are other mechanisms of ACL tears – like Fant’s for instance, where another players rolls up on the knee. Factors that we orthopedists feel predispose a player to an ACL tear are things like the slope of their tibial surface, the width of the femoral notch where the ACL lives (steeper slope and narrower notch increases risk of tear) and muscle fatigue. Muscles provide protection for the knee and so, if anything, steroids may help to protect against some ACL injuries by preventing fatigue (not that I would ever advocate for players to use steroids). Tendon injuries, on the other hand, are definitely increased with steroid use as muscle strength outstrips the tendon’s ability to withstand the forces generated and this leads to tears. A different animal than ACLs though. Of bigger concern, also as mentioned above, is the increased forces generated during collisions due to greater player size and speed, and the impact on the brain. I’m not sure there is a helmet technology possible that would prevent the brain from sloshing around inside the skull and banging up against the sides, which is essentially what happens with football players and boxers. Tackling technique helps, as advocated by the Seahawks, by does not eliminate the problem.

            • Hawk Eye

              great. An expert opinion. Unlike the rest of us…
              Thanks for explaining how some of it works and connects.

              Are you saying that some of the non contact injuries (Edelman, Berry) are a result of a player with a natural weakness in that area finally going beyond its stress limits during a quick cut or change of direction, etc? Would NFL teams be able to screen players for this during medical exams at the draft combine?

              • Thorson

                In the case of Edelman, his anatomy may have worked against him, as a smaller guy. In other words, the shape of his bones may have predisposed him to the injury. I doubt his ACL was intrinsically weak, though, so there would be no way to screen for that. Most of ACL tear prevention that is described in our literature revolves around strengthening supportive muscles and training for endurance to prevent fatigue – something all NFL teams do. Berry has a different injury – he tore his Achilles’ tendon. He may have had a weakened area there, if he had a tendinitis or something that pre-existed his tear. There are other risk factors for tendon tears aside from steroid use, including hypertension. However, most tendon ruptures like Berry’s and JFG’s, happen spontaneously with no warning. So, no way to screen during combine, unfortunately.

            • DC

              Thanks Thorson, informative.

            • Ishmael

              Thanks for posting, appreciate the expertise!

    • Steve Nelsen

      The NFL actually did a study of why ratings were down and #1 on the list was the national anthem protests.

      That is a tricky issue for the League to deal with because most of the players doing the protests have made it clear they are protesting racial issues but the people upset at the protests refer to it as disrespecting the flag and disrespecting the military.

      • DC

        The NFL doing a study on their own ratings is kind of like Monsanto doing a study on gmo foods. Neither is likely to find any fault with their own product.

        It’s Kaepernick’s fault ratings are down!

        • Joshua Smith

          Being anti-GMO is akin to being a young earth creationist or climate science denier.

      • KD

        I don’t even think it’s so much the protests, but the constant bombardment of coverage by media. I’m just speaking for myself, but I feel like I am being force fed a narrative, and i have to choose the one side or another or else i am a bigot. I have two examples that really pissed me off and got under my skin, and both of them came from PFT:

        First, after the Seahawks met with Kaepernick and chose not to sign him, I read an article where the first line of the article actually said “In the aftermath of the Seahawks declining to sign Colin Kaepernick….” Aftermath. What aftermath? Why would you ever use the word Aftermath like that? Second, of course i’m a glutton for punishment, so I checked out the headlines on PFT a few weeks later, specifically on the Seahawks team page. The very first article was about Kaepernick. The article was tagged with Seattle Seahawks. But I noticed something about the article. CMD+F Seattle: 1 result. CMD+F Seahawks: 1 result. Both results were from the tag, and the Seahawks were not mentioned once in the article, but it was filed under Seahawks news anyways.

        There is a saying that just because you don’t take an interest in politics does not mean that politics does not want to take an interest in you. Well, there are some of us who just want to be left alone from all this and just enjoy some football, so I can see why people are being turned off the protests. It’s not the protests themselves, it’s media and even announcers, who seem to have an interest in turning sports coverage into an MSNBC v FNC forum. No thank you! I can’t blame people for wanting to tune out. For working class people like myself, football is a wonderful escape and gives me something to look forward to at the end of the work week at a menial job, but that is being ruined by bourgeoisie twats on ESPN who think that their virtue signaling to me is more important than finding a job where I can afford health insurance or a bloody day off once in a while.

        Sorry for the rant, but i just needed to give the perspective that it’s not the protests themselves, it’s mostly the media who want to virtue signal to the dumb, unwashed masses like me that I have to be either with them or against them when all I want to do is enjoy a football game.

        • Rob Staton

          Some VERY fair and pertinent points there KD

          • Smitty1547

            100% agree with you KD, I am very political active. However a time and a place, and sports is my happy place away from all the BS. I have a love for football that would make it near impossible to not watch, however those far weather fans I totally understand being turned off by it.

            • JimQ

              I think the media types are exasperating the “protests” – for their own gain. A very easy way to minimize the “protest hype” is simply for TV broadcasts to not show any shots of the players bench during the anthem – but I guess that is too simplistic of a solution and would require media cooperation which is likely impossible. The media types seem determined that they must report something or anything even if it’s highly negative, repetitive or complete conjecture. I’m not ranting on all of the media types, there are a few good ones but they are hard to find.

        • H

          Whilst I agree with you in principle that the volume of media coverage is excessive, and there certainly are attempts from either side to push narratives that get tiresome and are normally unhelpful in resolving any issues, rather encouraging division. However the point of Kaepernick and others protesting in this way,as it was in the 1968 Olympics with those guys on the podium or Ali using his position to protest the Vietnam War, is to force an issue to the forefront of the public attention by invading our entertainment. Essentially I know its annoying how the media treats it like its the only thing that matters, but to say politics should not be part of sport is to deny one of the most historically effective mediums for real positive social chamge.
          Christ, sorry for hopping on the soap box a little there
          We got a great game to enjoy tomorrow and anthem protest or not, Im so excited the season is finally here.

        • Ishmael

          Some really good points in there, and I’ve got tremendous sympathy for you regarding class and opportunities. I’ve been stunned at the contempt the working class are held in in this country since I’ve arrived, and equally stunned at the way society is constructed. I think the DSA are making a lot of sense, but that’s probably a discussion for another day.

          To your thoughts though, I think as soon as the NFL deliberately lashed themselves to the military – and patriotism – they made the game political. It’s just that we’re only now seeing the first real surge of organised black political consciousness on the main stage since the civil rights movement, and that’s spilling over into the NFL. Race, and racism, clearly plays a role in the NFL and I think that’s an important discussion to have – although less important than the discussion that the protests are trying to start.

          Aggregate sites like PFT jumping on board the bandwagon to get their clicks up is as grubby and parasitic as the media gets. It’s disappointing that major sports news sites either don’t have the intellectual heft and/or ideological will to try and properly analyse and contextualise what’s happening. Instead they settle for cheap clickbaity rubbish. I really do think what’s going on is important, it’s just a shame the way the media – for the most part – are covering it.

          Sport does have a role to play in politics, you only have to look towards apartheid-era South Africa to see that. But it needs to be talked about seriously not just reduced to buzzy SEO work.

          • KD

            Just to be clear, I am not using the word “bourgeoisie” in the Marxist sense because I am 100% opposed to Marxism in all it’s forms. I’m using the word more in the Rousseau context where a “bourgeoisie” person is someone who when he is alone thinks about others, and when he is with others, thinks about himself. The best terminology that i have head to accurately describe such a person is a “Champagne Socialist”. In other words, someone who makes endless declarations about their love for the working class and then insults and degrades those very people at every turn.

    • AlaskaHawk

      I think you have to separate the football fans from those who don’t care for the game or just wouldn’t watch it anyway. As a fan I’m not that concerned about PEDs and while I do care about concussions = that is just part of the game. We talk about freedom and our brave men and women who defend it. We rant about whether someone stands for the national anthem or not. But what is freedom if you aren’t free to live life the way you want? If I want to endanger my life that is my business. Not everyone elses. I can walk into the woods on any given day and be endangered if I leave the trail That is still my business. Unfortunately if I get lost and/or die then search and rescue and others get involved. So I guess it isn’t my business at that point. But that is because other people/organizations choose to get involved.

      Boxing and Football are the same in the respect that people choose the sport and they know that it will do damage to their body. Isn’t it their right to choose? Is it your right to deny them? Why is the freedom to box less than your freedom to tell them NO? Some people do dangerous things. Rock climbing, scuba diving, parachuting, speeding, it can all cause horrific accidents. Intentional or not. Boxing and football are brutal sports, but we have had brutal sports since the cavemen wrestled around the fire. It is their right to pursue the sport they love.

      As to why their are less people viewing I would like to offer a couple alternatives. One being that the price of tickets is sky high. Last time I looked in Seattle the ticket prices started around $300. Hard to bring your family to that. This is on top of a property and hotel tax that was forced on the citizens to pay for the stadium. Everyone knows the owners are rich and the NFL organization is rich. They can pay for their own damn stadiums. We are also tired of teams holding cities hostage over the stadiums and taxes. Don’t pay and we will move to Las Vegas or LA. Great! And Goodell struts around like God handing down whatever decision he wants. Between the high prices, high taxes, and arrogant commissioner, it is very irritating.

      Lastly there is just a lot more programming on TV now than there ever was. And my observation about guys going to bars to watch is there is less drinking than there used to be in Alaska. Maybe the same number of fans, but less money going to the establishments they drink at.

      Finally, if your worried about declining ratings, let me ask you this question. Who watches tennis or golf?? They must be way less ratings.

    • Thy Hawk is Howling

      Texas and Florida the two biggest Football states besides California have been just a tad preoccupied with Mother Nature lately. I’m certain that Hurricanes effect one’s Telle attention.

  3. Volume12

    Anyone watched Texas OT Connor Williams yet? He’s my candidate for most overrated 2018 NFL draft prospect.

  4. Old but Slow

    Nice to have the podcast and the season kicking off.

    Rob, the two of you did not talk about special teams, Do you have some concerns about whether they can be better, or do they seem to be on track?

    Have our rookies found good ST roles?

    • Rob Staton

      I think it’s a wait and see situation on special teams. Hard to really judge based on what we’ve seen so far.

    • Darth12er

      Agreed, good to have the podcast back!

  5. Ishmael

    Good stuff Rob, nice to have you back on the podcast.

    Totally agree with your Packers takes. I’d be absolutely filthy if I was a Packers fan looking out at the league and over Rodgers’ career. He’s arguably the best QB of all time, and they’ve consistently failed to go out and put a serious team around him. Teams tank, and give away years worth of chips, just for the chance to go out and get guys even a fraction as talented as he is. Ted Thompson might keep Green Bay stable, and there or thereabouts, but sometimes you have to take some risks and go in for the big win. There’s no good reason why they couldn’t have had a swing at getting Richardson, or any of the bigger free agents that have popped up over the last few years. Why aren’t they having a chat to the Rams, seeing what it would take to get at Aaron Donald?

    • Rob Staton

      Aaron Rodgers is 34 in December and 2017 represents his tenth year as the starter. The reason they only have one Championship is squarely down to the decision to go with philosophy over pro-activeness. Imagine Jimmy Graham in that offense? Or Marshawn Lynch back in the day. Or the recent Sheldon Richardson trade. Or Bennett/Avril or any of the other big name defensive players that have hit the market over the years.

      They haven’t even entertained the idea of putting together a complete team to give Rodgers the best chance to deliver multiple titles. And he would’ve done too. Unless they win at least two more before he ends his career, they will look at this era as a massive missed opportunity. And for what? To placate Ted Thompson’s way of doing things.

      • Kenny Sloth


      • Trevor

        Well said Rob! What is what makes JS the best GM in the league. He has a great owner as well which helps. jS is always looking at every option and will never hesitate to do what it takes when this team had a need.

        Matt Ryan picks us apart because of no interior pass rush. JS response draft McDowell and trade for Richardson. That is the definition of see problem and fix problem.

      • Benjamin Ft. Worth

        I thought the Julius Peppers addition was a pretty good one along with getting Martellus Bennet. We all knew how deadly he was with JerMichael Finley.

        • Rob Staton

          Peppers was at the back end of his career though, signed on a modest deal. It wasn’t like they went all in when he left Carolina. Bennett is a nice addition but they’ve been way too inactive over the years.

  6. Jujus

    I love the podcast, and was hoping for less pronunciation abortions from the other guy… But its not quill

    its pronounced Key – al.

    He never stopped saying Cassius’s name wrong so im probably wasting my breath.

    • Kenny Sloth

      I think he actually pronounces it kwill.

      I heard he prefers to be called Quill to Shaq

      • House

        It’s pronounced “Kill”. He’s got videos on IG and stuff with friends and family saying “Kill is gonna do big things”

  7. Hawk Eye

    I wonder if the Hawks will use McDougall more during the GB game as the nickel back, show a different strategy they did not use in preseason. They wanted to use Browner for that role last year. And I think they need to put more effort to stopping the dink and dunk game, so 3 safeties may be a decent compromise to stop run and pass on early downs. Seems like a lot of teams figured out their weakness after the game in SD a few years ago and the D lost their dominance to top notch QB’s.
    and curious to see what kind of difference Richardson makes. Can’t step up in the pocket with 300 pounds blowing past the guard. (and the same for our o line -Yikes! Hope they can improve to mediocre or even average)
    Would love to see a new improved version of the D that reminds us of 2013.
    And yes, I am being greedy and demanding, Week 1 is the time to dream of what can be

    • DC

      They might assign him to cover Martellus Bennett.

    • Ukhawk

      Was thinking the same thing. Big nickel, or maybe go 6 DBs & only Bobby

  8. Joshua Smith

    I would have loved to have watched the game last night but my fiancé and I cut our cable. Simply not worth the price. I think a lot of people are doing that. The games also start way too late if you live in or to the East of the Eastern time zone.

    • Volume12

      Get a Frog box, Amazon fire stick, Roku, Netflix, Hulu, there’s a ton of options out there. Cable will be obsolete in 2 years give or take.

      • Volume12

        And all those cord cutting streaming options affect the ratings as well.

        • Dylanlep

          Yeah Joshua just to echo Vols point. We have a fire stick and a PlayStation vue subscription. Significantly cheaper than cable. Have the NBC sports app and watched the game on that (access to NBC sports covered by our playstation sub I believe). Been off cable for over a year and will never go back. Cable is dying.

      • Joshua Smith

        Thanks for the suggestions!

  9. Joshua Smith

    Difference between those 49ers teams that beat the Packers and the Seahawks? O-line play. 49ers had an elite O-line when they were good.

  10. KD

    I should have said this before Rob, but it’s good to hear yourself and Kenny back on the podcast. Watching college players who could become potential Seahawk targets is starting to become a serious hobby of mine now thanks to you guys, and here is my hard and fast rule for narrowing down Seahawk targets in round 1(or at least their first pick): Closely study everyone who makes a VMAC visit.

    • Rob Staton

      It’s good to be back, thanks for the kind words

  11. Volume12

    Everytime I watch OK St. WR James Washington, he screams potential ‘SEAHAWK’ at me louder and louder. Talk about a cat that takes the top off a defense and is a chunk play specialist. His ability to track the deep ball and make adjustments is second to none. Its one of the more unique/special traits I’ve seen from any prospect so far this year.

    And Udub DT Vita Vea is really gonna the get big, athletic DT but I question his motor and effort at the next level stereotype?

    • Sea Mode

      Wow, Washington can really run. Powerful strides. Love the passion too and the fight for some contested balls I saw in some highlights. Will be keeping an eye on him.

      Will we look to replace Paul Richardson next year with another speedster? A lot will depend on this season and whether or not he can stay healthy and produce as #2. Even then, other Richardson might be prioritized over him… Also depends on how fast Darboh comes along.

      • Volume12

        Seattle likes Darboh. A lot.

        Yes. A P-Rich replacement. Seattle is back checking out this OK St. team again for a reason.

        Seattle really seems to be scouting late-round UDFA FS types.

        W. Virginia’s Drayvon Henry and Kyzir White, VA-Tech’s Terrell Edmund’s, S. Alabama’s Jeremy Reaves, Temple’s Sean Chandler, Villanova’s Rob Rolle, Wyoming’s Andrew Wingard

    • Dylanlep

      Hey Vol, Washington sure seems like a good watch list guy for the Hawks if they let Richardson walk which I very well think they might.

      • Volume12

        U give RW Baldwin, Lockett, and a deep threat like this to go with a possession receiver in Darboh?

        That’s a 🔥 a** WR core that could rival anyone else’s. A group that could carry this offense into the future.

  12. 503Hawk

    I’m not trying to pile on, but Cassius Marsh had a rough first game w/ the Pats. I don’t really blame him for the coverage on Hunt on the long TD catch, (that’s really a tough assignment) but the special teams play / penalties were unacceptable. To me he never showed enough to keep around for a second contract so I’m happy that we got a 5th and a 7th.

    • Hawk Eye

      in Seattle, Marsh made some good ST plays, and had some decent run stops, but always seemed a hair late to get a sack. A decent back up player, but not an impact player. I would wish him luck in NE, but cannot bring myself to say that to someone working for the evil empire:)

      • Hawktalker#1

        +1 my exact thoughts on this guy. Although I did really like him, he never seemed to be exactly the right fit for the Seahawks. I wish him the very best, but my well wishes can only go so far since he plays for the Pats. sorry, that’s just the brutal truth of it.

    • Volume12

      He’s not a guy you want starting or giving heavy minutes too. He’s a rotational DE. Always was and will be.

      And to be fair to him, picking up a scheme in 5 days and not having their defensive leader in Dont’a Hightower out there was never gonna be easy for him.

  13. Volume12

    This is pretty incredible. Makes sense he would attract Seattle.

    Villanova FS Rob Rolle, 2016: 61 tackles, 7 INTs, 5 PBU, 2 defensive TDs and this amazing story.


    • Sea Mode

      Nailed it, Vol.

      And just look at those long arms too! Ball skills, tackling, leadership, “QB of the defense”. These are the guys Seattle takes, all day long.

      He’ll be at the top of our Hawks’ watch list for sure.

      • Volume12

        I always go back to something Brock Huard mentioned. He said that JS told him he does not want boring in that locker room at all.

  14. Volume12

    L’ville QB Lamar Jackson- has improved his decision making, is looking to throw more instead of leaving the pocket, keeps his eyes downfield more, athletic, just naturally gifted. ‘But he’s too skinny! Just look at those wrists and knees.’

    Wyoming QB Josh Allen- throws 4 INTs, struggles against mediocre P5 competition, makes awful decisions. ‘Well he’s got traits and look at the arm!’

    But man, Josh Allen sure does exhibit those NFL traits and fits that NFL mold.

    • Volume12

      Look at this throw! Name me one dude who can make this. I’ll wait….


      • Matt

        Jackson put on a show again today. Talented through the roof. Its easy to see how much better he’s gotten each year. Not a player satisfied being the youngest Heisman winner nor to ‘just’ being the best athlete on the field, like Vick and Vince Young. Like his quick, compact release with plenty of arm strength. Jackson misses some throws and takes too many hits, but there’s no reason he shouldnt be discussed by the national pundits as the top QB prospect in college.

        All the love this off-season went to Darnold, Allen and to a lesser extent Rosen. The attention was warrented, but they all have warts- painfully slow release, poor decision maker, Cutler esque attitude. If Jackson was mentioned at all it was basically as an afterthought. ‘Oh yeah this guy has a chance to be pretty good’. Vick, RG3 Vince were all top 3 picks with their unfair levels of talent. Jackson is every bit as good as them, if not better.

        • Volume12

          I don’t think he’s the athlete that Vick was and that’s not to say he isn’t athletic, but passing wise he’s just as good if not better than Vick right now. His pocket presence has improved a lot too. He’s every bit the playmaker that Vince Young was. Dude is flat out electric.

          All QBs come with warts. If not the media or scouts will make one up. Remember when Marcus Mariota’s red flags were that he had no red flags? The f*** was that about?

          • DC

            Well… He is a Duck…

            Round here, that in itself is a cautionary red flag 😒

          • Matt

            Mariota wasn’t ‘vocal enough to be a leader.’ or something stupid like that. Its baffling how the media glazed over the warts of the 6’3″QB’s with a plus arm, while seemingly ingoring the most talented QB who is also the youngest to win a Heisman.

      • Rob Staton

        Jackson is showing huge strides this year.

        Could easily be the #1 pick next year.

      • Ishmael

        Aaron Rodgers… That’s who that throw/play reminds me of. Ridiculous stuff. He’s clearly put in a stack of work, noticeably better player this year than last. I think he’d need to go to a team that’s willing to work to his strengths, in the way Seattle has done with Wilson, Carolina with Cam, Andy Reid with Smith the other night, and not somewhere where the OC wants to run things his way or the highway.

        It’s insane that he’s not getting talked about in the same way that the other big boys are.

  15. Matt

    Sooners #31 Okoronkwo looks like a top 50 player. Do it all OLB who looks a bit quicker this year along with improved pass rushing moves. Covers rb’s with ease. All over the field. Big fan!

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