Seahawks officially have re-signed WR Josh Gordon, per his agent @davidcanter.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) September 3, 2020
Yesterday we noted this had to be a week of action and things are starting to move.
With covid testing stretching over three days, the weekend is pretty much the deadline for getting business done ahead of the opener in Atlanta.
The Seahawks had another meeting with Justin Britt yesterday as it seems increasingly likely he’ll return as the starting center. They’ve also now made a move to re-sign Josh Gordon.
His status still seems somewhat unclear. The Seahawks were clearly waiting for him to be reinstated but there’s no official word yet (this could be forthcoming).
Either way, it was a no-brainer to bring him in. Russell Wilson needs all the weapons he can get. Gordon’s long list of suspensions and issues don’t change the fact that he’s incredibly talented and now creates a legit three-pronged attack with Tyler Lockett and D.K. Metcalf.
We saw glimpses of his quality last season — including the remarkable downfield grab against Carolina and numerous vital third down conversions.
There’s no risk here because the price will be minimal. If he doesn’t last the season again, there won’t be any major financial ramifications. It’s a common sense signing with plenty of upside.
The question now is what happens next?
Could an end to the Jadeveon Clowney saga be forthcoming?
Per @CharlesRobinson now on @1025TheGame : If Clowney will happen, next couple days. Titans frustrated by "lack of engagement," have wanted to get him in for a physical. He turned down $17-18M range from Browns. It's Titans or Seahawks. Seahawks around $12M. Titans likely similar
— Joe Rexrode (@joerexrode) September 3, 2020
Again, if Clowney is going to play in week one something needs to be done by the weekend. We’ll see if deadlines spur results in this instance.
**Update**
The Seahawks did sign a returning defensive end but it’s Damontre Moore instead. They need someone to fill the hole left by Branden Jackson and there’s still no guarantee that Clowney will sign. It’s a plausible stop-gap for now.
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I wonder how it will go for Gordon making the team if he isnt reinstated? Do we know if he can go to the practice squad?
So what will our WR room look like now going into Atlanta?
Rob, between the P-Rich signing and the Gordon signing, does this spell the end for David Moore?
He’s sitting there with a 2 mil cap hit and sitting somewhere between the WR4 and WR6 in all likelihood (Lockett, Metcalf, and either Gordon or Dorsett ahead of him at the very least).
Possibly so but I don’t think P-Rich or Dorsett are locks to make the roster either.
When Gordon is reinstated it will be very interesting to see what his signing means for Dorsett, Moore, Richardson, Ursua. They won’t keep 7 WR’s and there isn’t room for more than 3 or 4 to be significant contributors.
The speed in the Hawks WR is absurd. If Dorsett makes the team. that may be the fastest WR room in the league. Only to be countered by the complete lack of speed in the TE room….
However, I think it would be shortsighted to discount the quality of our TE room. Speed does not necessarily mean quality in that room. Not a great comparison.
Totally agree HAWKTALKER, combined with our RB corps, the WR corps and the TEs, our offense is looking pretty darned good. Let’s hope the OLine can at least be average and Russ kills it this year.
What excites me most about the WR speed is how far back opposing defenses will give cushions to respect it. If that frees up more space for RBs and TEs to operate, this could be dangerous
I think the severity of Dorsett’s injury will determine who is gone. Would guess either him or Moore.
Wonder what our WR group will look like after cuts on Saturday. My guess is Lockett, Metcalf, Richardson, Gordon, Moore with Ursua and Swain on the PS.
Oops, forgot about Dorsett. My guess is IR for him.
He’s on a cheap one year deal, they might just waive him with a settlement.
Moore is in trouble with his $2.1m
Moore has positional versatility and can take the punt return duties.
Look at Ursua trying to field a punt with PC standing right there. Yack!
https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/1301277971634765824
I’m not saying Moore is a lock but everyone seems really eager to cut him.
Because his potential has turned to inconsistent disappointment. Prich, Dorsett, Gordon area all better and cheaper.
Oh come on. Let’s not pretend those 3 guys don’t have major flags.
Oh totally agree! But if we need $$ to get the putrid DL in order, then Im saving $ and 86ing Moore.
Between Gordon/Prich, I think a total of 14 games is a win. I would count on those 2 during said 14 games more that I would count on David Moore.
And the Seahawks have an awesome tight end group to supplement.
I think the receivers and tight ends, and Wilson’s passing game will be the strongest part of the team this year.
Dorsett returned to practice so there may not need to be an injury settlement if he’s waived.
With Britt, Damontre Moore, Clowney, and maybe Clay Matthews out there as possibilities I wonder how much cap room they need to free up and what actions they can take to do it? Cutting Finney does no good for 2020 cap room, right? As usual, there are probably some surprises in store for us.
Can we draw any conclusions from the terminology used in the tweets on Britt?
The second visit was described by Yates as a tryout.
Can we conclude the first visit was COVID protocol and a look at his knee? And they liked what they saw, enough to actually “try him out” on this visit?
Maybe I’m grasping at straws.
Very plausible cha
I think his return is inevitable, but not worth the roster spot nor guaranteed salary at this time. He is training in town, and is a vet and knows how to get himself ready. He will resign after week one; my guess is they have been “showcasing” Pocic to increase his potential trade value (create for a 6th/7th likely and avoid Dead money. Pocic will be gone when he returns. Finney will be the backup across the interior..and maybe the LG once Iupati gets injured??
If the Hawks are worried about $336k dead cap Pocic money, they’ve got bigger problems to deal with LOL.
Worried…No; Generating a 6/7th and getting rid of 350k..why not while Britt heels
I think the dead cap hits either way.
Ah, yes; signing bonus vs roster bonus..u got me. Well, lets just change that to hope for a 6th/7th round pick 😉
It’s not the dead money that’s a concern, it’s the $1M difference between his dead money and his salary (~$1.4M) this year.
If Seattle weren’t on the hook for a $1.2M injury settlement for Britt, I would say they wait to sign Britt on Sunday or Monday so they can carry someone on the initial roster that’s going to PUP/NFI/IR after the initial 53 is set. But doing so with Britt costs $1.2M so … ??? Actually cheaper to just cut Pocic if the team wants to bring Britt back as their Week 1 starter.
It’s really not. Pocic’s salary will just get replaced by the bottom guy on the roster. So it’s not a $1m gain if you cut him. At most it’s about $600-700k. But given Richardson, Gordon, Moore are signed and (hopefully) Clowney or Britt soon, that savings would probably drop even more as guys are pushed down the list and the last roster spot salary increases.
Fair point. I was looking at it more from the perspective of Britt’s $1.2M injury settlement (if he’s not on a roster on Saturday) vs the ~$1M difference between Pocic’s cap hit if he (Pocic) is released (presimably to make room for Britt as the Week 1 starter).
Update for the piece: re-instated too!
*cough* refresh the G Bell twitter page Sea Mode *cough*
Still, looks very positive.
https://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/nfl/seattle-seahawks/article245463715.html
People, please, can we all agree to never use “positive” and Josh Gordon in the same sentence
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One down, couple more to go. I would think that reinstatement is coming. I would think Britt back too. Though it shouldn’t be depended on, the cuts will be interesting.
Damontre Moore too according to his agent.
Does this mean no Clowney then?
No. But I do think it’s a bad omen for Darrell Taylor. Moore is a rotational piece at best. Seems like we had that but if they think he’s an upgrade from what we have then OK
Taylor will be on NFI. This is likely the replacement for Branden Jackson.
Meanwhile, AJ Epenesa is flattening OL players at Buffalo. If he makes it 10 sacks and 30 TFL this season, we will have some things to think about and some folks to fire.
If he does that, then it’ll merely be a good pick by Buffalo.
Epenesa was massively overrated. Most of the league passed on him twice. He lasted to #54. It was no special error for the Seahawks to pass on him.
The last good DL pick was Frank Clark, who the league deemed massively overrated/too big a risk, and passed upon twice, too.
The player we picked is injured.
Come on, those are two completely different scenarios. You can’t seriously be comparing Frank’s off field situation and Epenesa’s physical limitations 🤦♂️
Yeah not a fair comp IMO. But then again, any dlinemen that went this year from our first pick to taylor or later its gonna be painful if they succeed quick. Yetur gross matos comes to mind, even though he really seemed to need a ton of coaching up.
Confused. Is the measure of good draft scouting and good drafting measured in terms of drafting effective talent, or is it measured in terms of being able to hide behind arguments of “obvious physical limitations ” ?
What are you talking about?
A player either has physical limitations or he doesn’t. Pointing them out isn’t a review of “scouting”.
It’s early with Taylor, so let’s cut him some slack. And I think it was spelled out here pretty clearly what he was: one of the few twitchy pass rushers available in the draft. He’s a gamble based on his injury history and erratic production. So they gambled on the upside of a superior athlete.
It’s no secret that I was personally higher on Epenesa than a LOT of people, he might not even live up to the early hype, but he also didn’t fit what Seattle needed. They have to see what Green or Collier are about. Adding a base end woulda made sense, but another young cat creates a logjam. They made that bed and have to now lie in it.
There were no great LEO options last year. It’s not a surprise that Seattle took 1 w/ an injury concern. Those were the ones that fit what they needed.
And 30 TFL? That would put him in JJ Watt, DeMarcus Ware, Strahan territory.
* vet base end
I dont really get the Damontre Moore signing. We have enough guys unless Clowney comes back.
This is backup plan, if we don’t sign better player after 53 player cut or clowney. Worst case he can go to practice squad learn the system.
Moore knows the system. He’s been on and off the active and practice squad several times.
Thanks for correction – makes more sense
It’s nice to see the Hawks finally make some moves. I was beginning to wonder how long the charade would last of them trying to convince fans that all was okay.
I’m cautiously optimistic about a Clowney deal. They can make cap room and are the best fit for him, but that’s all selective logic.
Anything worth their weight in those this doesn’t fix anything.
Any fan . . .
Here is the article that Rob is talking about. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2907503-jadeveon-clowney-rumors-titans-frustrated-by-lack-of-engagement-in-talks
Gordon working out offsite w Britt
https://twitter.com/benyarthur/status/1301564033930153987
Is Britt really going to come back to a vet minimum deal? From top 10 center money to vet min.? Do you guys think there was even any real interest from other teams, or is he only valuable to us?
Only valuable to us is my best guess. We didn’t see a significant drop at center last year when Britt went down. Not sure how anyone could see him as a saving grace for this OL.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jadeveon-clowney-could-land-with-the-titans-or-seahawks-in-the-next-few-days-per-report/
For what it’s worth John Lynch says they have no money to sign Clowney
https://www.knbr.com/2020/09/03/john-lynch-talks-49ers-interest-in-signing-excellent-mohamed-sanu-week-1-injury-insight/
Any players on hawks roster you think we can flip for draft capital next year prior to cuts?
Think of it like this. Joe Burrows (using him as an example) woulda been a what, 4th or 5th round pick last year if he opted out or this happened a year ago? There’s gonna b a ton of guys who end up outplaying their draft position. Probably more than ever and there’s a ton of guys who shoulda came back and teams will have to have a 2-3 year plan for.
I don’t see much options. Hollister or Moore maybe but I doubt, its weird year to say least.
I would trade Cody Barton but can’t see it
*joke about trade him for a tackling dummy*
The only realistic ones I see are Hollister and Moore for maybe a 5th at best and KJ for a 3rd at best.
You wouldn’t get a third for KJ.
Rob; loving the Podcasts. Have you and Robbie thought about doing one on potential vet DTs that MAY come available this weekend? I haven’t looked too much at other teams depth at the 3tech, but I am sure you have.
In the second podcast Robbie suggested some names, it’s worth a listed on the channel.
Regarding Edge rushers in the 2021 draft….(looks to be a poor EDGE class, after rd-1)
RE: Michigan EDGE-Kwity Paye;
“”Classic boom/bust scenario if Paye has played his last collegiate snap. The No. 1 athletic “Freak” on Bruce Feldman’s list this fall, the 6-4, 271-pound Paye boasts an insane 6.37 second 3-cone, which would have topped all participants at the 2020 combine. Paye also has tested better than any defensive lineman or EDGE at the 2020 combine with a 4.57 forty and 4.15 pro shuttle time. Paye also owns a 34-inch vertical, 30 reps on the bench press, and a mind-blowing 11.3 in the 60-yard shuttle. Paye is extremely raw, more ball-of-clay-athlete than pure pass rusher at this time, but he still posted 50 tackles, 12.5 TFL and 6.5 sacks last season in his first year as a full-time starter, with a solid 77.8 PFF pass-rushing grade.”” – https://www.rotoworld.com/article/mock-drafts/thors-three-round-mock-draft
Projected by Rotoworld (in mock draft) as Round #1, pick #27 by Dallas. Perhaps he could fall to Round 2 Seahawks pick projected in Round #2, pick #55???? — due to being raw, ineperienced and considered by GM’s as good potential, but not worth a first round pick? Anyone watched him or have opinions of his play and/or potential?
I think Paye is more likely to rise than fall.
Walter Football gave the Seahawks a “B” for signing Josh Gordon-they say he is “washed up”. That is not what I saw last year. Dude still has some juice left.
🤷♂️
Yeah but the sample size is so small it’s virtually irrelevant.
If he could get reinstated fast enough and become our number three WR he could tear it up.
Lol. Metcalf’s arm looks thicker than PRich’s leg…
https://twitter.com/gbellseattle/status/1301612137098309632
That dude’s arm is thicker than a lot of people’s legs! LOL!
With Sullivan out of practise again today, seems like they’re going to stash him on IR (IMO) to protect him.
I wonder about the same for Parkinson? He hasn’t practiced yet has he?
Park’ has been “parked” on the NFI list throughout all of camp.
But … he was drafted high enough that I don’t think he clears waivers if the team releases him.
They’re not releasing Parkinson.
I think PUP for Parkinson and IR for Sullivan.
IR might be the best option for SS to stash him like you said.
That was my thought too. IR Sullivan, PUP Parkinson, NFI Taylor. There’s been buzz on Mabry, but he should be able to sneak onto the practice squad.
heard Mabry is good in blocking so he will be on practice squad.
😂🤣
At last. Someone at least asked.
It took until 2 days before cut-down day LOL
Press Conf w PC 9-3
[jen mueller] How hard to know cuts need to be made? “Training & Strength staff gets lot of credit. Credit to players working so hard, ready for Week One. Healthy, great shape, continuity when we needed it. Pleased with whole flow of how it’s worked out. Haven’t had enough competition to make evaluation that we’d like to. No game snaps. I hoped work with Zoom made it, helped us throughout camp. Felt continuity different but some degree better.”
[tim booth] Thoughts on bringing Gordon back? Reinstated immediately? “No indication right now. No word from league. Josh experience with us really positive. Worked hard, studied hard, incredibly plays. Made a great impression with us. Told you all along if we can get him back, we want him back. Happy to have him with our club?”
[Curtis crab] Damontre Moore back? “Without D Taylor for a little longer, needed another guy in rotation. Effort impressed me. Great motor, chases football. Very serious now, really settled down, maturity process focused, was wild & crazy. Family gave him direction and focus.”
[cc] Fit with pass rush in general? “Really good camps with Bruce & Benson, showed real spark. 16 sacks from last year. Alton Robinson can add in, a lot to ask of a pup, Damontre helps us.”
[michael shawn dugar] Sullivan? “Hip thing bothering him, hasn’t gone away. Rehabbing. Good strar to camp. Didn’t get all the work he needs. Banged up right now.”
[ms] Ogbuehi & Dunbar? “Pec strain real minor for Cedric. Quentin had a family funeral to attend.”
[john boyle] No preseason, snaps, feel depth on roster? “Really pleased. Whole process with guys coming back, guys looking to mature in second year, marvelous advancements. Attitude and leadership 100% on point, carrying the message well. Guys following leaders. Control locker room well, all on same page, compete like crazy. Spirit on practice field, upbeat, positive, excited, going for it. Everything feels like it’s getting in line. Good place right now.”
[bob condotta] Still in contact w Clowney? “Always competing.”
[bob] Offseason moves, Adams, Dunbar, sense of urgency with this year? “No more than any year. Always trying to put together a competitive club. JS’s had a great offseason. Bold moves, great foresight and vision. Finalizing roster. Good competitive group.”
[art thiel] Normal, U Michigan @ SeaTac, meet Jim Harbaugh at airport or take him out to dinner? “Wouldn’t mess with his routine, great coach. Glad you really think there’s something going there.”
[art] Miss him in the NFCW? “Sure”
[art] Sitting on a veranda sipping Courvosier and swapping stories? “His wife came over and said he doesn’t want to talk to me. She brought me and we talked. Great coach, brother too.”
[Gregg bell] Why now with Josh Gordon? Why not two weeks ago, before? Something imminent? “Backstory huh? JS orchestrating this, trying to do as well as possible, timing came down to here. Best time to do it. We’ll see what happens.”
[Gregg] Richardson shown? “Tough for Paul, hasn’t had a chance yet. Going at such a clip, want to get him started. Took some team reps first time today. Very difficult to show where he is.”
[Gregg] Development part of camp lacking vs starter prep? “Yes, no question hindered. Days logged gotten to know better, understood better, come back to camp and apply all we had learned. Had to compete like crazy to get most out of it. Maxed out what we could have. Offseason such a connective aspect with team. We’ll see.”
[joe fann] ?? camp “Really nice camp. Missed a couple days. Really smart football player, toughness showed up.”
[joe] Decision at Center? “Tell you next week. I’ve made a decision, yeah. I don’t know why it came out like that LOL”
[brady] KJ Wright camp stand at WILL? “Terrific camp, did everything we asked and looked great. No rush here, like what both bring, really excited about Jordyn.
[brady] Moore? “Strong camp, solid throughout. Return game as well.”
[moz veda] Character of Josh? “Done everything he could have done. No issues, no problems, nothing. People at league office hold him in high regard for all he’s been through. Terrific young man in all our exchanges. Give him opp.”
[ben Arthur] Taylor still away? Timeline? Practicing? NFI? “Can’t tell you more specifically, depends on how he responds to workload. Want to be patient, want him back fully. Trainers really good for him. NFI real possibility.”
[Curtis crab] Different weekend with no preseason, practice squad? “All games played, no film, that’s what our scouts do. Restudy formats from past. Guys that hit the wire. Much different than normal. No updated info. Info from draft. Maybe not as much movement with players. Maybe teams have to guess more. Very competitive situation. Evaluations done.”
Thanks Cha. Always appreciate you taking the time to do this. I’ll listen to the interview tonight and this helps me listen for the more subtle stuff Pete is always muttering…
The stuff about rushing around to get Damontre Moore ready to play a week before the season starts because their DL is what it is — my god.
Rob, it’s Pete. Would you expect anything less than a lame response from him?
Sounds like they really were going to play Branden Jackson fairly extensively.
It’s OK though because the secondary were going to cover everyone for 17 seconds so he could get a sack.
/sarcasm
Actually, I decided they were going to forego the front 4 and put one or two defenders as placeholders, overload the back 7 to 9 and dare them to run the ball…go ahead…I dare ya!
Did PC really say JS had a great offseason? Wow! Just wow!
Thank you, cha!
cha
I love you man 😀
Titans and the Saints in for Clowney:
https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/1301653043239321601
At least the Seahawks got Damontre Moore though. Great job.
JS’s great off-season continues.
What a choice to be made at WR…..
Seattle appears to have a bit of a log jam at the #3 spot now.
#1 WR: Lockett
#2 WR: Metcalf
#3 WR: Moore, Gordon, Dorsett
#4 WR: P. Rich
#5 WR: Ursua, Swain, Thompson, Hart, Lenoire, Sullivan
Seems pretty clear, unless there is an injury (or suspension) Moore is a goner on the 53….. but could come back to the PS, if he clears waivers. Price and position depth working against him. Speculation was rampant they would go with 6 WR and after looking at who they have on the roster right now…. they could go with 5 WR with good experience and 1 guy who is inexperienced (Ursua). RW would appreciate having experienced WR to toss the rock to…. under this unusual preseason limited reps situation.
It’s so disheartening to see the Saints, with barely any cap room, making a huge late push to sign Clowney. Meanwhile the Seahawks are arseing around bringing back players like Damontre Moore to try and find something, anything, because a week before the season starts they’re going to be banking on Benson Mayowa and Rasheem Green for a pass rush.
https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1301655056731852800
What a total and utter abject failure by the Seahawks. Nobody should accept what they’ve done with the D-line this year.
But hey, they’re monitoring. They’ll be the first one to throw rice on Clowney and the Saints when they walk out of the church.
Well looking at the Saints cap space, they have 6.9 million in the top 51 and looking at their cap space spread, i can only see them opening up 4-5 million at best which puts it at 11-12 million, but they would need $ for PS and IR, so maybe 9 million on a one year deal is what they are offering? I guess the question is for Clowney is how much $ is he willing to give up for a super bowl contender.
And Kamara? Just toss him away like garbage?
These are just some of the players i picked for the “cut”
1. Mario Edwards Jr.- opens up 2.4 million
2. Nick Eason- opens up 3.8 million
3. Margus Hunt- opens up 887.5 thousand
4. Anthony Chickillo- opens up 887.5 thousand
If Clowney signs with the Saints it’ll be a steep discount. A bizarre decision.
They have less than seven million cap left and no real ways to get more. I don’t see who they would restructure too, are they really going to push cap out when they are already potentially 75 million over cap next year?
If Clowney wants to sign with the Saints it’d have to be for something like one year 5 million. If he prefers New Orleans enough to take an offer like that what more could any team do?
Offer more.
He’s not taking a discount, they are drastically trying to create room.
Can the Seahawks talk to BJ Finney?
Either the Seahawks make a play for Clowney or they never really had any intention to. This is getting really old.
Problem Saints are dealing with is that there is a lot of dead money already tied to player contracts already. Plus it doesn’t help that there will be a cap restriction next year.
HaHaHaHa! Sorry, could keep it in. JAX are losers this year no matter how you look at it and JD ain’t going there.
*Couldn’t
‘Puts on Damontre Moore highlights as a distraction’
‘Realises there aren’t any Damontre Moore highlights’
Can you sign Clowney in the 1st quarter? NO!
You’re consistently the shining light on here.
I know I’m on yesterday’s thread, but I had to comment and say you won the day with this one! 😂🤣😂🤣
Maybe Russ can play DE? Ken Norton? Strong Mack? Good lord I hope this is Just Clowney camp crap trying to squeeze more $$$ from Seattle…
starting to look like always competing just means we’ll do just enough to make the playoffs. Can’t believe this is the defensive line we will go into week 1 with. Was holding out some hope for Clowney. That hope is fading fast.
And nobody will ever challenge what they’ve done.
I know we all have been saying to just sign him for this eternal off-season but this is what he wanted all along. Teams fighting over him and driving the price up. Saints and Jax out of nowhere. Titans now moving. Seattle’s name is still in it. I just wonder if Seattle has a handshake deal to match. Still a few names to cut. Still some deals to restructure.
The latest report is the Seahawks are saying the price is too high.
So there you go.
They would rather gamble the entire season on Mayowa & Green & Moore & Collier.
Still got the game face on!
PC going all in on player development.
More like going all in on another wasted season.
probably, but as i said before PC is going to bet on himself to get the job done and when he fails, he will eventually decide to call it quits and the search for a new HC will begin.
None of this is a counter to a debate about the present
Don’t think this has anything to do with Pete. JS is playing a game of poker that he has convinced Pete he will win. Every time Pete is asked, he makes some cliché comment about “compete” or “we’ll see” or “we’ve been talking”….. He is banking on Clowney’s return period. I, like everyone else here, hope so too. By not signing anyone else and essentially leaving the little bit of cap space out there, JS is all in with no consolation prize.
Did you see the latest on the Saints making a serious push and trying to restructure some contracts to sign JC? It will be disheartening to see a major NFC contender signing him for a couple mil more than what we are offering. Sad really.
There is no way the Saints are signing Clowney. If they are clearing cap space, it is for Kamara.
Seattle has more cap space than NO in 2020 and the Saints cap space in 2021 is a dumpster fire. I still think Clowney signs with Seattle but if he chooses to play somewhere else for less money than Seattle is offering, that is his choice. You can’t blame JS for that.
I agree Steve; with their issue in 2021 already, they are just trying to restructure to allow a Kamara contract, AND maybe smooth some of the 2021 cap out words. Having said that, it does provide for good sound bites, and I am sure that they have contacted Clowney or Bus to see where they are at like every good GM should be doing.