He’ll need some excellent conditioner for the rain in Seattle
Believe it or not but it’s nearly a full month since Michael Silver reported the Seahawks had ‘moved on’ from Jadeveon Clowney and that a deal ‘could happen soon’ with Everson Griffen or Clay Matthews.
A couple of days after the report it became clear, as explained in this article, that the report was more of a nudge to Clowney than a sign of anything serious happening with Griffen or Matthews. So it proved.
In a mailbag piece today for PFN — trusted insider and friend of the blog Tony Pauline reported that, according to his sources, the belief is still that Clowney will join the Ravens:
Most league insiders I’ve spoken with, including a great source who I called just before typing this out, still believe Clowney ends up with the Ravens, as I suggested last week. It checks off a lot of boxes for both sides.
That said, I have no direct knowledge of the two sides talking. It’s also a situation that seems to change daily. It’s already September and Clowney is still unsigned. If I had told you six months ago this was going to be the situation, you would’ve told me I was nuts.
This is a contrast to Charles Robinson’s reporting on the situation. Yesterday he suggested the Seahawks and Titans were still the front runners, as has felt the case for some time. He also touched on the bizarre nature of this saga:
“There’s been times where teams have asked if he’s going to fire (agent) Bus Cook. Is there a problem between Clowney and Cook? There have been times where teams have told me they’ve asked Cook to get Clowney on the phone. This is Jadeveon Clowney who’s driving this.”
Robinson also adds that Seattle offered Clowney $12m — presumably for one season. If true, we more or less know where the Seahawks are at.
The reporting of this stalemate, however, has lacked clarity throughout. The off-season started with Seattle’s local media implying the Seahawks wouldn’t be able to afford Clowney as he was destined to earn +$21m a year. That changed to people wondering if the Seahawks were offering about $17m. We then had the weird leaking of a seemingly legit offer sheet via a random twitter account that said the offer was $27m plus incentives over two years. Then we hear the $15m figure from Silver and now $12m from Robinson.
With Yannick Ngakoue agreeing to play for $12m in Minnesota, it doesn’t help Clowney’s situation. If that really is Seattle’s range right now, the market dictates that’s pretty much all Clowney can expect. A $12m salary, at this late stage, with an opportunity to re-enter the market next year, would be a good deal for a player who is currently unemployed and with wallets tightening in the NFL.
We’ll see if the imminent start of the season ends the stalemate. Clowney has drawn this out as much as he can. Once the season begins, he cannot expect his price tag to go up. Not if you’re paying for fewer than 16 games.
It’ll be time to take the best offer or be prepared to sit out the season — which he may well do.
It also seems just as clear today than it did a month ago that the Seahawks are protecting their cap space on the off-chance Clowney opts to return.
Something needs to happen in the next seven days though. Any player signing for a team has to go through Covid testing over a three day period. In order to be ready for week one, they’ll need at least a couple of days with the team. For me the absolute latest you can wait is this weekend if you want to get something done for the Atlanta game.
The Seahawks should want to get something done for Atlanta too. They play in the toughest division in football and every game is going to matter — for seeding and for the division. They can’t afford to flop into a couple of early losses like they did in 2015 or 2018 and forever be playing catchup. They need to give themselves the best chance of winning early and often — and that means not going to play Matt Ryan and Julio Jones with Benson Mayowa as your primary pass rusher.
Ryan can be surgical without pressure and here’s a reminder of Julio’s career stats against the Seahawks:
2019 — 10 catches, 152 yards
2017 — 5 catches, 71 yards
2016 (regular season) — 7 catches, 139 yards, 1 touchdown
2016 (playoffs) — 6 catches, 67 yards, 1 touchdown
2012 (playoffs — 6 catches, 59 yards
2011 — 11 catches, 127 yards
Saturday is also cut-down day when teams will discover who is available on waivers. It’s looking like a vital weekend. I think that’s tipping point. That’s the moment where the Seahawks either have to sign Clowney or move on.
Pauline in his mailbag was also asked about Clay Matthews. He says he’ll likely end up in Seattle.
If Clowney is a no-go it’s really the only option left. It’s a mediocre option too, albeit one they’ll still need to make. Seahawks fans have been talking themselves into a pass rush based around Mayowa, Rasheem Green, Bruce Irvin, Alton Robinson and L.J. Collier but it simply isn’t good enough. Matthews might be long past his best but, sadly, he’d likely be their top rusher if signed today.
Darrell Taylor feels like a write off this year and given his history of injuries, it’s not an encouraging start for his future prospects considering the Seahawks used a third round pick to trade up and get him. Matthews, if nothing else, will need to replace Taylor. Not to mention Branden Jackson is no longer on the roster, eating into Seattle’s ‘depth’.
This is really where we’re at now. Possibly on the brink of finally knowing what Clowney is going to do — but also reaching the point of no return and needing to finally move on. If that happens, they may well wish they could re-run the off-season and come up with a new plan — including not letting Everson Griffen slip through the net or watching other players like Calais Campbell, Robert Quinn, Dante Fowler and Yannick Ngakoue go to other teams.
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I have many questions about Matthews.
First off, Pauline referred to his sources saying Matthews and Seattle are “a good fit in a variety of ways.” What are those ways?
Reuniting with his SC coach? Sticking it to the Rams? Seahawks need pass rush and Clay is a pass rusher? All of the above? None of the above?
Secondly, positionally where does Matthews fit on the defense? The only thing I can think of is the end opposite LEO on rush downs, when the 5T moves inside. Or does he have the ability/utility to play SAM or WILL on those downs to a degree we would favor him over KJ / Brooks / Shaquem / Barton?
Thirdly, how much is that worth to the Seahawks? I can’t imagine him getting more than a Mayowa type deal for a specialist rusher type guy.
Fourthly, WHY HASN’T CLOWNEY SIGNED YET? Sorry, my Seahawks Tourette’s acting up.
Presumably Tony said that because of the USC connection.
For me Matthews is too similar to Bruce Irvin — a player you utilise on passing downs. They have that already. They need someone who can disrupt early downs.
Yeah i think they mistake pass rush for defensive line. We need a defensive line.
That’s my read too. Matthews would be Irvin’s backup, not a starter. Don’t really see much point in that. Plus, LOTS of 12s “hate” Matthews and while that wouldn’t necessarily negate the front office bringing him in, I’m sure it’s at least in the back of their minds (a little bit).
I agree, they definitely need to prioritize Clowney and a veteran DT. Top priority and Clay shouldn’t even be considered if they can’t work those out, and soon.
That said, after they’ve addressed those two critical areas, I could see a Matthews signing being one of those “feels like it was unnecessary in September but looks really good in December” type moves. With injuries, potential COVID problems and the state of their pass rush, throwing bodies at the problem may not yield much in the way of hard numbers but give them the flexibility to continue running their schemes in the event of a critical player experiencing a time-lost event.
Now that’s all if Clay’s willing to play for a dime and not be a feature guy, or play on a non-guaranteed contract if he’s signed after the season starts. Who knows if that’s even in the cards.
I’d rather have Shaquem there to back up Irvin than Clay.
I’m not a big fan of Clay but I didn’t see anything last season to think Shaquem is an option as a rusher. You can’t just be fast.
That was said with tongue firmly planted in cheek. We need help on the DL…badly.
Sure, but I just can’t see them giving Mayowa 700 snaps. I just can’t. Bruce is going to get plenty of snaps at SAM in base downs, Alton Robinson is a rookie and who knows when Darrell Taylor will see the field. I think there will be more than enough snaps to go around at the spot if they want to find a way to keep both Shaquem and Clay on the roster.
Completely agree on Mayowa.
This is a guy who had about 300 snaps last season in his supposed ‘best season’. He was gradually phased out.
On the other hand, when you do the math and apply his 2019 sacks per snap rate to 700 snaps and round up a bit you get 17 sacks. That’s how that works right?
Book it.
Pass rush problems solved.
//wipes hands clean
I like that math! But I’ll see your Mayowa and raise you a Clowney.
Selectively choosing the fact that he got 1.5 sacks in 2 playoff games, that projects out to 12 sacks in a 16-game season.
But he was injured during the playoffs so we need to DOUBLE the projection and pencil Clowney in for 24 sacks (assuming Seattle resigns him).
Oh, and then we should factor in the “improved defense behind him” and multiply the 24 sacks by the combined “football IQ” of the rest of the defensive starters and ….
It’s official. If Seattle resigns Clowney he should contribute a gazillion sacks in 2020. Maybe even a gazillion and one.
Eh?
Who has ever made any kind of argument to warrant this response?
What a waste… Matthews is better than Irvin today, yesterday, last year, 2017, 2013, etc. and yet the Seahawks chose to ‘prioritize’ a guy who wasn’t as good and give him more money than a guy like Matthews who is still better. So stupid. Like signing Finney.
To be fair, Pete has coached both Matthews and Irvin and Seattle chose Irvin over Matthews. To me, that says something.
Its been going on so long that it makes it even harder to read into everything. To me the most important sentence is, that the situation changes daily. Clowney and his camp have to be frustrated with the league and probably each other really. The only constants throughout have been Seattle and Tennessee. That’s what still gives me hope. Ravens seem like a team that is “in on every deal” like Seattle but they would also make a good last bargaining chip to get some extra dough. I guess its down to what you believe.
Now that cut down day is here, I can see the Hawks waiting to sift through available waiver grabs for the DL before pursuing FAs. Now I’m sure of Clowney was ready to sign their deal then they’d prefer that. But they need to use the available cap if Clowney won’t budge.
Worst part is even signing Clowney does not make us great, it will be just average. That’s scary.
I disagree. I think Clowney is THE missing piece for the 2020 defense. Clowney and a “quality” DT would be the cherry on top. Seattle’s secondary is VASTLY improved from last season and their linebackers are still one of the best units in the league. If Seattle shores up its D-line, it will definitely be better than “average”.
I can’t wait for the first game of the season so we can talk about how the offense and special teams is doing!
I don’t really understand the point of your comment Alaska.
Who’s stopping you talking about the offense or the special teams?
And if the pass rush is as bad as expected when the season starts, why would we stop talking about it?
Maybe the Seahawks can win 40-35.
What about Snacks? Would he be a better option than Clay? Like you said, we already have Irvin and as far as I’m concerned, he is better than Clay. Or depth is terrible and I would imagine that some of the guys that are going to get cut this weekend are better than some of the people we would keep on our 53-man team.
I think we need to forget Snacks.
He nearly retired, then he contemplated sitting out the season due to covid.
He was always ‘big’ and god knows what he’ll be like now after sitting on his arse instead of being in camp.
Time to move on.
The picture this conquered up in my mind about Snacks sitting on his arse eating snacks was priceless!
They’d probably have to bring him out on a cart.
Jabba the Hutt was what came to mind, so I’m not sure a cart would hold him!
I’ve been a strong advocate of adding “Snacks” this offseason but …. your points are incredibly valid. Dude probably isn’t in “football shape” and would have zero time with his new teammates before Week 1. If Seattle is going to add a “quality” DT at this point, it’s more likely to be someone another team cuts (who went through camp with them) or a free agent who ACTIVELY “wants to play”.
1st Serious question: how do the coaches evaluate the DL and OL when they haven’t faced anyone but themselves? How do they discern whether the DL is terrible or of the OL is balling out? Is it just something you develop an eye for?
2nd Serious question: what is Clowney’s relative value for the Hawks? Besides bringing a garbage DL to presentable? Does he solidify them as a SB contender? Take them from 9 to 10 wins? Just curious to compare his real vs perceived value as I’m sure other teams must also analyze. Like if I’m out of toilet paper, I’d be willing to pay more than others for a few rolls.
Clowney gives them a game winner on the D-line that they don’t currently have.
As we saw vs San Francisco and in the playoffs vs Philly.
They need that because the alternative isn’t worth considering.
Off topic but I wanted to say something based off of what I just heard Brooks say on his last comment in the press conference and what many others have said. Brooks said he’s basically concerned about black people just getting shot down it the streets by police officers. This theme has been so overblown it’s getting ridiculous. In literally every circumstance that a black person has been shot or killed on camera they have first resisted arrest. Everybody needs to keep in mind as well that more white people get killed by white officers every year than black people.
If you resist arrest and grab the officers tazer or run to your car and reach for something you will get shot no matter what color you are. Just watch the Hodgetwins on youtube a few times about these things if you’re in the dark.
I prefer this place to remain a football forum if possible.
Thanks Rob
From me too Rob
Like many people with your points of view Kingdome 1976, you can’t ever stop talking about politics can you?
Greetings from the USA Tvarich. Can I crash at your dacha when I visit Odessa?
Cut list
So important you choose right team when you get a chance. Look at Bridgewaters and Winston. Alex was promising teams were fighting not anymore
Houston Texans
QB: Alex McGough
DT: Albert Huggins
LB: Daren Bates
Ashish, McGough was never in the same class as Teddy or Winston. He’s always been a practice squad player and just never developed beyond that. Actually, by releasing them early, it gives them a chance to make another squad.
Tom, I agree. Alex just was a guy with more upside. I remember hawks paid him more just so other can’t steal him. There was good chance he would have been backup in Seattle and learned under Russ for 3 or 4 years.
I know, I was hoping that too. Thought he had a lot of potential when he was here and I remember an over the shoulder TD pass he made in a preseason game when we had him that was just spot on.
I share the common frustration but I think this is where we are week one.
At this point I fear Clowney is just a soft tissue/groin injury waiting to happen. Not to mention butthurt, resentful and disgruntled about being forced to fold ala Earl Thomas’s final season. I loved Clowney last year but in 2020 he is a factor in a few games and then subtraction by addition. If Clowney plays this year it will result in injury and be his final year as a star. His wasted payroll will keep Schneider from pulling off a mid season trade for some real help from the in-shape, camp conditioned star of a nose diving almost-contender.
Blame this on Clowney or the Hawks or whoever…but my pay grade only allows for me to grimace and move on.
Ngakouwe was never a thing. He isn’t a game changer like Clowney and 8 sacks per year is not elite. I know the trade was less than expected and he took a pay cut… neither of which were options (IMO) at the time we signed Mayowa and Irvin which were both solid moves in a moneyball sort of way. He’s younger than both but he’s been little more than a complementary tool and in our current situation…. I’m all in on the notion that for less investment, Mayowa and Irvin will equal 1.5 x Ngakouwe in 2020. Adding him reduces their value and increases total stat line by zero.
Clay Matthew’s is a redundancy.
Mayowa/J Reed/Green=25 sacks. Call me an optimist. Throw in a few stunts and BWagz has 2. Jamal Adams has 3.5…..Irvin is good for 5. Collier/Flowers/Blair contribute one each. Alton Robinson could contribute. Maybe we get Taylor back. There’s still waivers. And we have John Schneider hard at work…#1 in front offices and #1 in our hearts!
We only need 38 sacks to be relevant. This year the offense leads us to the big game. Can’t ya feel it?
For me it’s not about manufacturing or finagling a set number of sacks.
You’ve got to have consistent pressure. You’ve got to disrupt. It’s not going to be about pinch-hitting.
Agree. Timing is also key. While no one in Seattle wants to see the team have “only” 28 sacks again, if 25 of those 28 came at “key” moments in games …. we might not mind so much.
I won’t argue with most of your logic – and I will definitely agree that you’re an optimist with the “Mayowa/J Reed/Green=25 sacks” prediction. But …. if Seattle brought Clowney back on a 3-year deal that offered the typical protections (salary, injury, etc.) then it should eliminate the “butthurt, resentful, and disgruntled” concerns.
Also, there have been a SLEW of soft tissue injuries in every camp this year. I get that Clowney may be at higher risk since he hasn’t been in camp but dude HAS been working out (and rehabbing) for MONTHS so …. I don’t think the soft tissue concern would prevent the Hawks (or anyone else) from signing him. To me, it is entirely about the price.
Like it, for me the week before kickoff I always believe the championship is ours. Also a good harmony and belief in camp along with A quality players on both sides can and does improve and encourage players to step up. There are holes and ageing players but these can be filled and improved with unity, belief, quality and will to win. For me the organisation like players with a chip on their shoulder and team players and I’m not sure clownley fits in to that now. Business will finish during waivers period
“There are holes and ageing players but these can be filled and improved with unity, belief, quality and will to win”
You can’t improve the worst D-line in the league with ‘unity’ and ‘belief’ or any other buzz word.
You’re either good enough or you aren’t. You either have a glaring weakness or you don’t.
Sounds like Britt’s on the way back…
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1301266821211992064
If Britt does sign do you think he’s the week 1 starter or do they ease him back and have Pocic or Finney start week 1?
I think they’re worried about the position and feel like they need him back.
Ealier Joey Hunt was good safety net / backup now he’s missing too
Britt coming back is good. He’s not great, but he’s not a dumpster fire like Finney or Pocic.
Not surprised Britt’s back. Agree with most everyone that think they’ve seen the writing on the wall at the C position and it’s not good.
Honestly glad to see that Britt may be back.
They owed Britt a $1.2 million injury payout anyway if he didn’t sign with another team. If they sign him for that, their salary cap won’t be affected.
Good info, thanks
Actually, they can pay him more than that without effecting the cap because he will take someone’s roster spot and they don’t have to pay the player he replaces. This means they can pay him $1.2 million plus veteran minimum without effecting the cap. Somewhere around $2 million I would think.
I know this isn’t the right place to ask this but I’ve been thinking about it for a while and wanted to get some more respected thought on it. If you have a great aspect of your team such as our secondary or when we had a good DL(al la avril, bennett, mebane, irvin) how does that not breed a better lineup opposite of them through practice, such as our OL in the day being bad… If you’re going up against the best doesn’t that make you better… Or WRs going against the LoB.
Please say no to Clay. Not sure where the match is (nostalgia of the USC days doesn’t cut it). Not only he’s past his prime but we already have the LEO spot more than covered. Please use that money and bridge the gap to sign JC. Regardless, we could use someone like Dareus instead. Someone who can play the 5T and/or one gap. The middle of our D is very thin and one injury away from being a turnstile.
Good to see Britt coming back. I wish we could save some $ by cutting Finney. But that’s not an option.
100%
agree. from what i’ve seen of clay the last few years, he doesn’t get much done at all . . ..
not a solution.
I hear you. If we miss on Clowney I rather us save the money and sign a less expensive DT like Dareus. More of a need.
It’s not more of a need. They need both.
I agree we need both. It’s my hope we sign both. My point was if we miss on signing JC, instead of signing Clay we should sign Dareus. Clay adds little to fix our issues.
This has gone beyond the game of chicken. PC and JS must think they’re good with their current DL make up as it stands today and that Clowney is a high risk signing that is only worth up to $10-12M. In all fairness, the market and the other 30 teams (minus Cleveland) agree with them on JC’s value. Still I would reach out to him and try to somehow bridge the gap and find a compromise. May be they have. We’ll know soon.
If I was Clowney I would almost want to go anywhere but Seattle unless it is on a long term deal.
If he plays on a one year prove it deal why play in a place with the worst DL in football where you will doing blue teamed on every snap in a scheme where your run discipline is as important as your ability to rush the passer. He would be better off taking less $ to go to a place like Bal, Dal or Ten where he has better talent around him to showcase and put up big numbers before hitting free agency again.
I have said it since day #1 of free agency there is almost zero chance Clowney is a Hawk this year. Not because we don’t want him but because he does not really want to be here unless the Hawks sign him to a big $ long term deal.
Double teamed not blue teamed sorry typing on phone.
Agreed. Good post.
Fournette to Tampa Bay then appears imminent.
Don’t know whether they’re going to be one of the most exciting teams in the league or the latest version of the Philadelphia ‘dream team’ that collapsed a few years ago.
It definitely seems like a good fit
You never know with Brady. I just saw that Sanu got released by New England.
As soon as I saw the news about Sanu, I wondered if he’d end up in Tampa Bay.
6 Super Bowl rings definitely makes Brady a magnet; the question is if the pieces come together to form anything formidable.
Finally the deadline is coming up and we can end this dramatic situation and everyone can move on (FO and fanbase).
Might want to pump the brakes on that. Only time will tell
If he doesn’t sign a contract by Monday, he won’t be playing.
Rob: I’d be very interested in your thoughts about DLinemen, especially DTs who might be cut. Are there are some guys being paid a bit much who could get axed?
Also, what are the rules for the practice squad this year. Do players have to clear waivers first or can they be assigned to the practice squad without doing so? And 4 of 16 can be protected from being signed by another team?
Thanks!
Robbie mentioned a decent collection of names in the second podcast we did if you want to head to my YouTube channel. Personally I’ve struggled to find obvious targets.
Any player cut has to clear waivers to reach the practise squad. Once they’re on the practise squad players can be protected, yes, that’s my understanding.
I don’t think anyone is protected on the practice squad if another team wants to sign them and place them on the active roster.
I’m not 100% positive here, but I think when a player is cut and claimed on waivers, the claiming team has to honor the contract he was under when he was cut. If no team makes that claim, then he’s a free agent and a team can sign him to their active roster at whatever salary they negotiate. Then, if that doesn’t happen, the practice squad would be next. This year, teams can carry, I think, 3 veterans on the practice squad who normally wouldn’t qualify due to service time.
The NFL changed the practice squad rules for the 2020 season to account for players going on IR due to the pandemic. In addition to expanding from 10 to 16 players, teams can choose four protected players every week that other teams cannot sign.
Hoodie blew that trade, badly.
Fire Belichek! Traded away a 2nd rounder for an average talent who just got hurt and then cut! Not to mention he drafted N’Keal Harry who’s either a bust or injured or both with the 1st round pick! Why not just draft Deebo BILL?
Not to mention the awful job of cap management he’s done. $26M in dead & wasted cap space, including paying Tom Friggin Brady $13.5M to play for another team!! BILL has lost it. Look at the last few drafts. Barely any impact players/starters. He had a good run, but it’s time to move on. He got extremely lucky in that everyone including him passed on Tommy for 6 rounds. He lucked into the GOAT at pick 199 and rode his coattails for almost 2 decades.
Fire him yesterday!
To me the it will be interesting in the first game to see if Atlanta runs ther ball down our throats and to see if we can get any QB pressure. If our defense can’t get off the field it will be more urgent to add defensive talent.
it’s already urgent enough
Remember how awesome the DL played last year? It’s not better. I’m in the it’s much worse camp.
Coverage will be better, LBs potentially faster, perhaps the nickel package is an actual option again, but I just can’t see how run D or pass rush can be improved on the DL from last year.
Britt in for a second visit? Might as well try and sign him to the D line…. 315 lines, reasonably explosive. Couldn’t be worse than the depth we have already.
pounds*
John Clayton was just asked about L.J. Collier. Clayton said that BOTH L.J. Collier and Rasheem Green both look good.
John Clayton wears beer goggles.
Well that’s me convinced.
Super Bowl here we come.
All hail LJ!
championship
John Clayton also said that he thinks the Hawks have overtaken the 49ers in the division becuase of the 49ers WR injuries early in camp. What the heck???
Clayton has gone full Grandpa Simpson
There is one last gasp potential hope for a pass rusher. If the Ravens really do want to sign Clowney, they would need to shave off $15 million in cap room. They only have $1.5 million. They don’t have a high priced qb to restructure to make room for that. So they might decide they’d rather trade Matt Judon and then sign Clowney with the money saved. I know Rob that you’ve questioned Judon’s fit with the Seattle D in past postings, but hey–he’s a pass rusher.
They can’t trade for a franchise player.
Just because Ngakoue took a massive cut doesn’t mean Judon would. He’s not hankering for a trade.
Hey Rob. You are good friends with Dave Wyman. How about doing a podcast with Wyman. Ask Wyman what he thinks about the defense?
Ho-hum
https://twitter.com/cardschatter/status/1301295038144507904?s=21
We are NOT allowed to have nice things… we must instead watch helplessly as our NFCW rivals snatch up our favorite players in the draft…
We are allowed nice things. We just trade future No. 1 picks like candy on Halloween to get them.
Him and Fotu. Was hard watching that happen in the draft.
Fotu is being asked to attack more according to reporter for the Cardinals. He mostly 2 gapped in CFB. He has been demolishing the interior OL with his 360+ pound frame. This makes me very sad. What could have been.
He is exactly the type of DT the Hawks need and they could have had him anytime in the top 100 picks.
I know the games haven’t even been played yet…but this is to me, without a doubt, the worst-looking offseason we’ve had in Pete and John’s tenure. The draft was devoid of the usual hustle, and FA has been a mind-boggling disaster. And I love Jamal Adams but not at that price.
They have one weekend to salvage this if there are some desirable cuts, but I won’t hold my breath. I hope I’m wrong about everything.
Forget about Clowney and the Seahawks and football for a minute and focus on the truly important things in life:
https://twitter.com/e10rowley/status/1300979928146612224
Hahahaha saucy nugs. No more boneless chicken wings! That was funny!
That guy won the Internet today
Thank you. That made my day.
Please tell me this quote is real… 😂🤣
OMG
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1300945893760397312
LOL!
So that’s what he’s been going for all these years. Free cheeseburgers.
It all makes so much sense now!
Gotta love the man! He is so awesome!
This is a lie! He would point to the ring and ask for free BBQ!
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/09/02/justin-britt-damontre-moore-worked-out-for-seahawks/
Damontre Moore ?
“including not letting Everson Griffen slip through the net or watching other players like Calais Campbell, Robert Quinn, Dante Fowler and Yannick Ngakoue go to other teams.“
*6 month long sigh*
The Bucs are a “Sexy” pick to make some noise. I’m not buying it. Way too many new parts who have not gotten to work together much this off season. Now you bring in a RB with ZERO time working in the offense. Maybe by week #10, they will hum. But the first 3-4 weeks will be legit rough….. unless they are just going to run a bunch of 3 yard routes and try win games with YAC from WR/TEs???
Perusing the over the cap site…. for 2021 projections.
Eagles are currently 51M over the cap… if it was 215M in 2021. WOW. The cap is actually going to drop not rise, so they might be 70M over the cap….. that is completely insane.
Saints are shade under 38M over the cap (at 215M), but really closer to 58M over if the rumored cap is true.
Keep a real close eye on DL cuts off these 2 teams. (Falcons and Texans are in bad shape as well)
Something really nice might pop loose of interest to the Seahawks.
I’m counting on it! I think some decent veterans will get cut for promising youngsters once teams grasp they aren’t contenders and can’t keep the band together next year anyway. Better off to jettison the pricey stuff and use this season as a teaching opportunity.
I think a lot of teams will do the opposite – KEEP the vets this year and try to win in the “asterisk” season then use the beginning of the offseason to try to renegotiate contracts and cut the players that “don’t play ball” then.
As an aside, the NFL may not lose as much money as people think and while the cap is extremely unlikely to go UP next year, it may not actually go down … or at least not all the way down to the $175M “floor” that the league and the NFLPA agreed to.
I agree, most of the money the NFL itself makes us from the televised games anyway. I feel like it was a precaution for the potential cancellation of the games.
I’m at the point where I hope they sign Matthews and move on.
That being said, they’re not going to the Super Bowl unless they have a Clowney… he could be the Clem of 2012. The Seahawks could have gone to the Super Bowl and won in 2012 if Clem hadn’t gotten hurt in the Wild Card. Seriously.
But when Clem, their only legit disruptor option on the DL, got hurt… they were done. Right now they are talented but don’t even have a Clem on the DL (until Clowney signs).
The only way I can see this playing out where neither party “loses” is if Clowney were to get his asking price (pro-rated) after the season has started. He can say he made ‘x’ per game and the franchise could say they “only” used ‘x’ cap dollars on him throughout the course of the season.
I expect Clowney to be playing for someone in about 2-4 weeks. We’ll see…
Seconded in the ‘12 Clemons situation comp.
Also reinforced by when we lost Avril in SB49
Random: But isn’t it amazing nobody wants Earl Thomas?
History will prove (or has) Kam Chancellor was the glue to the LOB and Richard Sherman was its best overall player with the best chance to be a first-ballot HOFer. I’ve read many stories where people thought Thomas was the “glue” but there’s no way that is/was possible after knowing what we know now.
Kam was the leader, albeit quiet one.
Earl added a dimension to the cover 3 scheme that is HOF worthy. He could cover the back third and had sideline to sideline range. Earl shortened the field. He forced throws underneath for the corners to disrupt or Kam to destroy the middle. He was absolutely a key piece. Without Earl the scheme doesn’t work.
The pass attempts chart with and with and without ET back there was crazy. He basically eliminated an entire portion of the field. Once he was gone, the middle was exploited ever time.
Link to this chart?
Amazing that a guy who recorded 3 sacks on the year, and recorded 1 or no pressures in more than half the games he played, is still sitting on a 17mil asking price a week season starts. I mean if you subtract the first SFO game (the one he didn’t disappear in), his advanced stats seem perfectly pedestrian. I know he drew double teams with zeke basically doing nothing on the other side, but basically all elite rushers do and still produce. Overall I think his situation is a great indicator that performance in nationally televised games is not incredibly important when it comes to contract talks. I have to wonder what his expectations would have been if his two big games hadn’t been prime time and in turn weren’t so well covered by sports media.
His advanced stats showed a pressure percentage similar to Bosa and Donald and that he was double teamed more than virtually any other player.
Clowney was very disruptive. He changed and wrecked some game plans due to being on the field. He was a 1 man show some games… and even when he was fighting a very painful injury, put it out on the field. He still found a way to make an impact. There is a reason I’m not a GM in the NFL, I would have paid him 15-17M and be done with it long ago.
So to sum up where Clowney is going. No one has a fricking clue. Guess we will find out shortly.
If I remember correctly Clowney went to JSs’ office for a meeting and told him he enjoyed his time there. He also said money wasn’t a huge issue and that playing for a contender is.
Well what is it Clowney???…Your “price” isn’t good enough for you. 2 or more teams that are contenders have bid for your services…..It REALLY
Money….(not sure why my post went through without hitting enter).
Really, it IS all about the money, and guess what dude?….Your stature and credibility have taken a huge hit with your untruthful statements and demands.
I’ll give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps the “it’s not about the $” bit was back when he (and many of us) assumed there would be a team or two that would go nuts and offer 25/year and he was figuring he’d have his pick between contenders at 20/year.
I’m a bit tired of all this second-guessing and criticism of Clowney.
Him feeling the offers are nowhere near his value doesn’t mean he’s ‘only about money’. Come on. He doesn’t have to accept a deal he doesn’t want. People need to chill out criticising him all the time.
It’s his choice, his decision. If he opts not to play that’s his call. It’s a bit rich to say he’s all about the money if he’s willing to not play and not get any money.
I actually now hope the DON’T sign him. Just like the Hawks proved with Thomas, it’s NOT all about one player. We had him last year and look at the results. (which has been beaten to a pulp).
We roll with what we have and that is it. If money isn’t what it is then what is the answer??….a contender?…No, that has proven false….Money?….sure points that way, but guess what pal?….You deserve criticism for not being of your word.
This makes absolutely zero sense.
I can’t even be arsed to reply.
You’re right, it doesn’t make sense and it is EXACTLY what fell out of Clowneys neck. HE SAID IT, I repeated it.
I’m referring to your point of rolling what we’ve got.
Not to totally distract from the Clowney situation or the complete dumpster fire that is about to catche the side of the building on fire and put the entire block up in flames that is our overall D Line situation…
But Alton Robinson is really turning some heads, from multiple sources. Damien Lewis singled him out as something of a freak. If a guy like Lewis, that played in the SEC says that, Im going to pay attention. Really curious what we have there, and how he fell to the 5th round.
Rob, do you have any pre draft info on him you can point to? I don’t remember his name coming up much prior to the draft.
4.32 20 yard shuttle is impressive. 3 cone leaves a lot to be desired though. Nothing else really jumps out
2 sacks at the Senior Bowl….is this another Senior Bowl hero Seahawks special?
On Robinson — we certainly made note of his testing in the agility drills and forty. There’s very much some athletic potential there. On tape I found him massively frustrating to watch though, including at the Senior Bowl.
I’m glad he’s getting praise in camp but I’m also wary that team mates and media saying he looks good in practise means almost nothing. There are so many players who get praise internally year after year and when the season starts — with proper games at the elite level — they do absolutely nothing.
So I hear all the positivity about Robinson and Blair and Lewis and Shell etc. and I take it with a tiny pinch of salt. Let’s see how much impact they’re having a month into the season.
Totally reasonable. I hope he is everything they are saying and more, casue we are going to need it. The jaded side of me though has a much more mundane outlook…
Somebody yesterday in the media took that quote and absolutely ran with it, that Alton was going to bust out, reasoning ‘NFL players don’t usually use those kinds of terms to describe fellow players.’
Whoa there, Sparky. Let’s actually see him in a game before we anoint him the second coming of LT.
You’re exactly right (again) cha.
It was a run of the mill quote from Lewis, a rookie, who simply gave a little bit of praise to a team mate. It’s not like Duane Brown announced we’re witnessing the rebirth of LT.
IMO fan reactions get a little bit “out there” right before the start of the regular season. All of the speculation about the potential in the 80 man roster and in unsigned FA’s is about to become reality. The perspective changes , don’t you think?
In a way I get it, though. It’s a nice story to hear that a 5th round rookie is doing well. And it helps generate excitement about the season and the team.
Where it gets out of hand is saying “NFL player calls him a freak” and drawing a conclusion from that. To be hyper-technical, Damien Lewis isn’t an NFL player for (checks calendar) 10 more days. As Rob pointed out, he’s a rookie. Let’s let him line up across Aaron Donald and Joey Bosa a couple times. And then we’ll ask him if he still thinks Alton is a freak.
I think this ties in with your 5 stages of grief. We know our line is hot garbage so everyone is taking anything that says otherwise and running with it.
Buckle up.
https://twitter.com/joerexrode/status/1301521756029681664
I listened to the interview. Didn’t feel like much that he didn’t already share in the Pat McAfee interview. Only thing I noticed was there was more frustration in Charles’ voice.
It’ll come down to 2 things.
1) Will he actually accept a lower offer or just sit out?
2) Does he want to play closer to home, but in a 3-4 that might not utilize his skill set as well? Or tucked away in the Pacific Northwest, but in a place where he said he liked it and might be a better chance to maximize his potential and secure a better future contract?
At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if he waits until a few weeks into the season to see if there are injuries.
I hope its okay to share this link… Y’all see Marshawn’s commercial?
https://www.instagram.com/p/CErS0bOjsJ6/?igshid=1lbr460bh1fsa
You can share absolutely anything that includes Marshawn. The great big legendary BAMF.
That was cool, thanks for posting it.
LEGEND
Incredible how much clout he built himself so that, even after retiring and only playing a couple games last year, he’s still such a marketable figure.
PFF just published an article on Defensive ranks. Seattle is ranked 12th. Obviously PFF doesn’t rank the front 4 as a high-impact unit since they actually state that Seattle is the worst in the league for that group.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-rankings-ranking-all-32-defenses-ahead-of-the-2020-nfl-season
Sure wish the NFL would pronounce a ruling on Gordon so we know what his future holds.
Solid move. Wonder if he’ll be suspended again though? Didn’t the NFL just relax it’s policy on marijuana use???
Seahawks re-signed Josh Gordon! Nice.
Ladies and gentlemen, WE GOT HIM. (lol)
Yay! Go Hawks!
Already on local TV news. Clowney and run stuffing DT and one DE from cuts.
I’ve been checking OTC lately to see what Richardson would come it at. Appears to be a cap hit of $887,500. Seattle now shows a Team Cap Space of $14,821,340 for 2020.
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap/seattle-seahawks/
Gonna be another similar contract for Gordon.
Works for me…now go get Clowney and let’s call it a day
Richardson will definitely cut on Saturday and may be resigned depending on injury situation on philips/John/Thomson. Josh Gordon news is great though.
I think they’ll cut Dorsett.
And David Moore possibly too.
The WR position will for sure be a fun one to watch as its really wide open besides the main two.
Does anyone know if the drug policy on Marijuana changed with the new CBA? And if so, how did it change?
Looks like we might know something sooner than later…
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/jadeveon-clowney-could-land-with-the-titans-or-seahawks-in-the-next-few-days-per-report/
via http://cbssportsapp.com
He really doesnt have a choice if he wants to play the full season.