Seahawks vs Panthers open thread & thoughts

Here’s an open thread for today’s game, plus some thoughts…

— This should be a relatively straight forward win. The Panthers have fired their coach early rather than allow him to end the season. Kyle Allen has regressed after a bright start. Last week not even Christian McCaffrey could have an impact in a blow-out win for the equally hapless Falcons. Yet the Seahawks are decimated on defense — missing the two pass rushers they placed their faith in this year (Clowney & Ansah), their best cornerback (Griffin) and a useful starting linebacker (Kendricks). There’s a huge responsibility on other defensive players to step up today.

— The offense has to get right. For a while I questioned whether the 49ers were peaking too early. Instead they’ve found a second wind. The Seahawks similarly need to find theirs in the next two games. Russell Wilson has toiled a bit. Tyler Lockett has suffered with injury and illness. They desperately need to show they’re capable of regaining their early season form ahead of a vital rematch against the Niners and the playoffs. That means effective running, explosive plays in the passing game and no more fumbles.

— All week I’ve just assumed the Seahawks would win this game. It’s an ideal time to play Carolina. The loss last week against the Rams should be a kick up the arse. The injuries might be an equaliser but the difference’s between the teams are stark. Seattle has everything to play for, Carolina doesn’t. The Seahawks have an elite franchise quarterback, the Panthers have a backup plunged into action. The Rams loss should re-focus minds while Carolina’s players will be wondering what the future holds with Ron Rivera fired. Yet the Seahawks all too often make games a tight struggle. They need to flex a little bit today, even with all the injuries, and show that they’re ready to get back in contention for the NFC West title.

This is an interesting article by Adam Schefter, discussing how the tight end market will be re-set in the off-season. Several big names will be talking contract in the new year including George Kittle, Austin Hooper, Zach Ertz and Hunter Henry. It’s a situation for Seahawks fans to monitor. The team will add a TE at some point this off-season. They need significant insurance for Will Dissly given he’s suffered two major injuries in consecutive seasons. Apart from that, their depth is practically non-existent. In the past they spent big money on Zach Miller and traded for Jimmy Graham. This is a position they clearly value. Another big addition or trade could be on the cards again. Failing that — as noted previously — keep an eye on Hunter Bryant. He’s inconsistent at times and has had drops but his blocking experience at Washington and X-factor ability as a receiver could provide a more cost-effective solution. They’ll do something at this position in the off-season, guaranteed.

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  1. Adog

    Hawks 31 Panthers 17 this will be a coming out party for Ugo amadi…gets his first pick and forces a fumble on special teams…while doing an adequate job on McCaffrey…

    • GoHawksDani

      Damn dude…almost got it right. Almost-pick and +7 points for the Panthers, -1 missed extra for us, but it’s pretty close 🙂

      • Adoh

        Yeah…I should have burned some more sage…

  2. Sea Mode

    Woof… Russ got drilled there…

    • Kenny Sloth

      Tough kid, he’s a resilient guy

  3. Volume12

    Christopher Carson is a M-A-N

    • Kenny Sloth

      All that green you just know it’s 6

  4. Volume12

    lmao. DOINK

  5. Volume12

    Lockett looks healthy again

    • Volume12

      Atta boy DK

  6. Henry Taylor

    Aww Fant so close with the toe tap.

    • Kenny Sloth


  7. Hawks4life

    DK went up, what a great 1st quarter of football

  8. CHawk Talker Eric

    Finally DK high points a catch! And for a TD too!

    • Troy

      That was a picture perfect example of highpointing the ball…great sign of things to come

    • SoCal12

      Lol you can tell he’s been working on it. That’s why I’m not too concerned about him fixing his weaker points. My man has the drive to be a great one.

      • Kenny Sloth

        So impressed with his maturity

  9. Sea Mode

    DK been reading SDB and high points (and bobbles…) a ball just for Rob.

  10. Kenny Sloth

    Watching NFL games has turned into me trying to shoehorn soccer into it. Insufferable

  11. Kenny Sloth

    Poona w the Hawk tackle

  12. CHawk Talker Eric

    Damn Poona!

  13. Hawks4life

    Carolina has so much speed with Moore, CMC and Samuel

    • Kenny Sloth

      B A S E D

  14. Rik

    It’s odd. I went into this season thinking we had the best set of linebackers in the league, but they look like a sieve today at the second level. Just like last week.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Barton has the athletic chops but’s le the experience to diagnose a play and put himself in a position to make the stop. But he’ll get there. Meanwhile KJ (and to a lesser extent Bobby) look slow. Really slow

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        *but he lacks the experience

  15. Rik

    They obviously watched the Rams game. Carolina picking up big yards with receiver sweeps.

  16. CHawk Talker Eric

    Dafuq was that play?

  17. Volume12

    What a f***ing catch! My god

    • Hawks4life

      Unleash the beast that is FLASH

  18. CHawk Talker Eric

    There we go! Flash! Ah ah!

  19. CHawk Talker Eric

    Wilson is the best deep ball thrower in the game. And it’s not even close

    • Volume12

      He’s slingin’ it today.

  20. Volume12

    Ifedi looking rough so far.

    • Trevor

      He is has been better this year but I have no idea how anyone could sign him to a big $ deal.

  21. CHawk Talker Eric

    Saved by the flag

    • Volume12

      Flag on Ifedi, gets walked back into Russ’s lap on that fumble, no movement the next snap where they lose yards on a Carson carry. Was not a pretty drice for him at all

  22. CHawk Talker Eric

    All Lockett does is…

  23. Kenny Sloth

    Carolina’s gameplan is clear today, stretch our LB horizontally with the end arounds and feed CMC.

    A better team would beat us all day long because of our personnel. The rams did.

    • Volume12

      They need someone to set the edge on those end arounds and jet sweeps. Is Collier really that far behind?

      • Kenny Sloth

        I really think we just need more DBs on the field

        Is Marquise Blair really that far behind

        • Sea Mode

          Get BBK in there for some more sideline to sideline speed?

          • Kenny Sloth

            I suppose? It’s not like our LBs are slow but it’s about spacing and mismatches. Either a coverage guy to let McDougald get in the box or a dude w some sand that isnt a liability.

            I get you want to use your talent at LB, but what is it doing for us

        • Volume12

          I dont know how that helps when you know as well as I that you stop those designed runs up front first and foremost.

          TBF, the guy who only started 1 season (Collier) was always gonna have a steep learning curve.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Big DB at LOS

  24. Volume12


  25. SoCal12

    This is exactly the kind of pick up game we needed for the offense. Needed this pick me up after last weeks awkward mis-step.

  26. Hawks4life

    Green has really stepped up this year. We can only hope for the same from LJ next year

    • Kenny Sloth

      Green is 2 years younger than Collier

      • Hawks4life

        I honestly forgot about that… I hope he takes the off season seriously and gets in NFL shape.

  27. Volume12

    Urban Meyer gonna end up in DC w/ Haskins and McLaurin?

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Between Snyder and Allen I’m not even sure Belichick could succeed

  28. CHawk Talker Eric

    Russell needs to keep it one of these times. C’mon man

    • Kenny Sloth

      I really wish we still used him on designed runs more

    • SoCal12

      Part of me really misses scrambling Russ. The other part is glad he’s really more of passer these days cause everytime he gets tackled I pray to every god known and unknown to man that my boy is okay.

  29. CHawk Talker Eric

    Looked like Ifedi got away with an early jump off the snap. Not his best outing so far today

  30. Pran

    Wagner is JAG. They just can’t put a body on Mcaffery…shame

    • Kenny Sloth


      Hot take

    • Hawks4life

      Yeah just another guy…lol

    • Henry Taylor

      How’s that take holding up?

      • Pran

        He still is this season. one or two plays does not change much. He is being paid #1 Money at his position.
        Leading in tackles does not mean much if you give up yards and then make a play…

  31. CHawk Talker Eric

    Is that Amadi in at nickel?

    • Volume12


  32. Pran

    Russ is maddening at times and result is a fumble

  33. Coleslaw

    The dude totally touched prosises foot

    • CHawk Talker Eric


  34. Kenny Sloth

    That one’s for you, Rob

    • Sea Mode


  35. CHawk Talker Eric

    What a huge mistake. It’ll be a big deal if we can hold them to a FG before the half. CAR get the ball to start the 3rd quarter

  36. Volume12

    Ground can’t cause a fumble or did the NFL change that rule too?

    • Kenny Sloth

      Wasn’t ruled down immediately

  37. CHawk Talker Eric

    Why do some defenders go to the ground on an open field tackle? Horrible form

  38. Volume12

    BWaGz iS TrAsH!

    That aged poorly

    • CHawk Talker Eric


      • Volume12

        It happens. I’d be nothing if not embarrassing.

    • Hawks4life

      I honestly don’t get the criticism Wagz has got this year.

      • Volume12

        I don’t either. For a guy that leads the league in tackles he gets a lot of sh**

  39. CHawk Talker Eric

    Great play by Wagz!

  40. Sea Mode


  41. Kenny Sloth

    Dime look 👌

  42. Volume12

    Can we please shore up the pass pro this off-season? 🙏

    • Volume12

      This is a talented crop of OTs. Draft wise. Add one.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Also a good crop of centers

        • Volume12


          I’d be all for Seattle double dipping on the D and O lines.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Have to add something to the TE room imho

    • Aaron

      If Jamarco Jones can add 10-20 lbs in the offseason then he’d be a great future option at starting LG or RG.

  43. CHawk Talker Eric

    Fluker is a one dimensional OG. Good in the run game but bloody awful in pass pro

  44. Paul Cook

    Only a couple of nitpick criticisms in the first half:

    –McCaffrey should be shadowed better coming out of the backfield (he’s about the only thing they have that can beat us)

    –Pass protection a little weak

    –RW holding onto the ball a little too long at times

    Just don’t play dumb and let us end our road record at 7-1.

    • GoHawksDani

      I just can’t comprehend why are they not throw 2-3 guys on CMC, 2 on Moore and just blitz the sh..t out of the Panthers QB? The dude can’t handle pressure (as most young QBs), and they only have 2 really legit weapon.
      Put Barton, McDougald/Lano and Bobby/KJ on CMC (not exactly man, but more like a spy), glue Flowers with safety help on DJ, and send Shaq/Bobby/King/Amadi on a blit

  45. Pran

    LB corps has become a weak point rather than a strength… they are picking on them all day

    • Kelly Orr

      No speed or explosion there. K.J. is a 5.0 40 guy if that. Bobby just looks like he’s lost two steps this year. I just don’t see the explosiveness out of Bobby anymore.

  46. Henry Taylor

    Did Diggs get hurt?

  47. CHawk Talker Eric

    Nice FG 😒

  48. Paul Cook

    I do NOT want this to be another heart-attack game. Put this team away.

  49. Pran

    This offense can’t shut the game.. shit. At least a blown out here and there can get rookies and young guys game time…

    • GoHawksDani

      It’s on the coaches and the culture. No-balls Pete and Schotty are too risk-averse to slam the door onto the opponent’s face. Pete had the strength to close games with BAMF, baller, chip-on-their shoulder guys.
      Russ, Bobby, Lockett, KJ, Reed, McDougald…these guys don’t want to massacre the opponent, kill, stomp them into the ground, make them cry. They just wanna win. Which is a bit weak attitude imo.
      If you’re up 20 points and only 2 minutes til the end the opponent cannot win. If you’re only up by 2-3 points, it’s still a game. It’s a mistake

  50. Hawks4life

    For those hoping for a blow out….. when does that happen with this team. Let’s just get the W and get out with no big injuries

    • Pran

      When you play so close and tough instead of blow outs especially when you can.. chances of injuries are more.

      • Hawks4life

        We’ve seen this team play close almost the entire PC era so I think we know by now how we win games. Whether we like it or not this is the reality we live in with this franchise.

    • Paul Cook

      You can’t let teams keep hanging around. We’ve dodged too many bullets playing this way.

      Thanks heavens for that INT. Now get that TD and make it a three score game.

  51. CHawk Talker Eric

    There we go. Big turnover

  52. Volume12

    KJ coming up big when they needed it the most

  53. CHawk Talker Eric

    WTF is that?!?!!

    • Pran

      Shit the bed and scrape though.. every week .. lol
      Have to seriously doubt this teams playoff ability seeing these last few games.

      • Rob Staton

        They’re 23-10 up on the road.

  54. Paul Cook

    Why in the hell do you do a trick play when you’re winning the game against a weaker team? Good Lord! This team just doesn’t know how to put a team away.

    • Kelly

      Not a fan of that shit there.

  55. icb12

    Have one of the best QBs in the league.

    Why on Earth is Josh Gordon throwing the ball.
    Good grief.

    • Sea Mode


    • Pran

      Hey that Int is not on Russ at least..

    • GoHawksDani

      The old age got to Pete. I love the guy, but seriously the worst at when and how to take risks. He has no clue…zero.
      But Gordon threw a pretty tight spiral. Too bad the aim was off

      • Rob Staton

        Don’t talk such ageist rubbish.

        Every time a play doesn’t work we don’t need to act like the sky is falling.

  56. Kenny Sloth


  57. Volume12

    KJ again!

  58. CHawk Talker Eric

    Ha ha 2 INTs for KJ!

  59. Hawks4life

    These LBs are really struggling to make plays for us aren’t they…. pound that rock.

    • Hawks4life

      Go for it Pete what do we have to lose

      • Paul Cook

        Damn right he should have gone for it. This team needs to learn how to put a team away.

        • Hawks4life

          All I could think about was Lamar and the ravens confidence and will to go for it in that situation and wish we had that.

      • Rob Staton

        The game?

  60. Pran

    Lack of TE and RB depth (Procise back to bubble wrap) catching up on Hawks..

  61. Paul Cook

    An EFFING FG! Is that all after two INT’s? Ridiculous.

    • UkAlex6674

      Calm down.

    • Pran

      Be happy.. if it’s a starter QB on the other side we would have been praying for a win some how.

  62. Hawks4life

    That’s not a TD wtf are they so happy about…

  63. CHawk Talker Eric

    Aaarrrrgggghhhhh! Amadi

  64. Volume12

    Adog called it!

    • Pran

      Such a presence of mind.. we got a guy who can ball on defense.

    • Volume12

      Well, maybe not. Close though

      • Pran

        That’s a bad call .. forget what rules say. He has the ball in control, making a move, ball was punched out and recovered

  65. CHawk Talker Eric

    No catch no TD. Helluva play by CMC

  66. Paul Cook

    This reminds me of the Philly game. This tram is practically begging us to mercy kill them.

  67. Volume12

    Finish this off with Christopher

  68. CHawk Talker Eric

    A long scoring drive here will put this game out of reach for the Panthers

  69. SoCal12

    Despite the non-pick 6, that’s still promising from Amadi. I have high hopes for him at slot/nickel.

  70. Paul Cook

    Now this one you kick.

  71. CHawk Talker Eric

    Lockett couldn’t have leaned forward a little more?

  72. CHawk Talker Eric

    Bad challenge. Should have just kicked the FG

    • Kenny Sloth

      Was gonna call the TO anyway probably

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Carson is a BAMF

  73. Hawks4life

    CC is a man amongst boys….. when he doesn’t fumble lol

    • Volume12

      2 yds shy of another 100 yarder

  74. Volume12

    What a god damn power move

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      He never stopped thrusting with his legs. Pure power

    • Sea Mode


  75. Paul Cook

    Took too long for my tastes to finish off this hapless opponent. But we finally did. Back home for at least three weeks now.

  76. Aaron

    Christopher Mother Frickin Carson!!!

  77. Volume12

    Oh no. No, no, no

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      That’s like the 4th or 5th time we’ve made the same comment today 😂

      • Volume12

        Great minds think alike 😉

  78. CHawk Talker Eric

    No no no no

    • Sea Mode


  79. Sea Mode

    please just be a scare. good to see him walk off

  80. SoCal12

    Thankfully he’s walking, but I’m still worried about Bobby man. He’s already looking his age this season. Dont need these dents to build up.

  81. Hawks4life

    With Griffin being out I’m surprised Carolina hasn’t tried to exploit that more. Prayers up for Bobby thankfully it’s an ankle and not his knee

  82. Volume12

    McCaffrey is so, so good. What a weapon.

  83. Volume12

    IDK about that call on 3rd & 5. Not feeling it.

    • Hawks4life

      Agreed. Just get the 1st and run it out

    • Paul Cook

      I just wanted to make them burn their last TO there myself.

  84. CHawk Talker Eric

    SEA defense is way too soft to close out this game

    • CHawk Talker Eric


      • Hawks4life

        As is tradition

  85. Volume12

    Boy. This D not only misses Clowney, but Shaq too.

    • Volume12

      84 yds in under 2 minutes

      This is why we can’t have nice things

      • Pran

        Giving up 27 points by not being able to take out the only one good player on that Rams scored only 28. Defense is super bad offense is plain bad

        • Hawks4life

          Offense is plain bad… elaborate. It’s not perfect but they did a fine job today

    • Hawkster

      They struggled after losing Diggs, just fell apart when Wagz left. MLB + FS leaves a headless defense.

  86. Volume12

    Weak a** call

  87. CHawk Talker Eric


  88. Paul Cook

    How do you get a holding penalty on a one yard run? Egads.

  89. Volume12

    Lockett is shmoney

  90. CHawk Talker Eric

    That’s the game

    • Volume12

      IDK. I think that penalty made it so they couldn’t run it out.

      • Sea Mode

        1 more 1st down.

    • Volume12

      There it is!

  91. Paul Cook

    Carson MVP today. Absolute beast.

    • Sea Mode

      That graphic about more 100+ yd games than McCaffrey was nice.

      • Paul Cook

        The fumbles were concerning to me, but I never thought for a minute that we could do without him as our bell cow this year.

    • Volume12

      Hands down. Tremendous performance.

      A healthy Lockett makes this offense look completely different.

      • CHawk Talker Eric


    • Hawkster

      His ball security changes are obvious, to the point of occasionally losing a bit of shake in some runs, but when there is any contact he is wrapping that thing up.

  92. Sea Mode


  93. CHawk Talker Eric

    11-3 over all. 7-1 on the road. Controlling their own destiny in the conference. Damn

    • Sea Mode

      Fingers crossed for the Falcons of old to show up for one game today.

      • Kelly


    • Aaron

      11 wins was my max for this team this year, 11-5 and a wild card team. We’re gonna do that and possibly more. We do need Clowney back soon and Kendricks. Other than that good game.

  94. cha


    • cha

      Sorry fired up with Carson running over guys to seal the game.

      • 12th chuck

        I guess as a o lineman, you cant push someone down anymore.

  95. Nick

    Seattle recorded 3 qb hits. Gotta address pass rush.

  96. Paul Cook

    Now can comfortably sit back and watch the Rams and Cowboys, etc…

  97. GoHawksDani

    1, Wow Carson played a great game
    2, Russ probably lost the MVP chance, but today he played like one
    3, So many injuries…it’s crazy. Hope most of the guys can come back at least for the niners game
    4, Lockett is a golden god
    5, Wanna see MORE Gordon, Homer. Gordon almost catched everything. I know, he got here mid-season, but he’s talented, and runs crisp routes, has good hands. Why not target him at least 3-4 times in a game? And Prosise sucks. Homer had a good fake run, awesome ST guy, looks like McAffrey 😀 Not a CC2, but he could be a Sproles-McAffrey type of quick back who can get skinny, and also used in screen situations
    6, Green is not a game wrecker, but he seems like have some good value as a rotational DE
    7, Really mad-sad about the injuries, but to be positive, I was pumped to see some Amadi, Barton, BBK, Blair, Homer, Collier snaps. These guys need gametime experience. I hope everyone will get better soon, but I’m a bit intrigued about Amadi, Barton, Blair and Homer. I think with more experience, these guys can be a vital part of the roster.
    8, I’m a bit humbled regarding KJ. I throw some shade on him…and while yep…he’s old af, and have some bad missed tackles, he played great today. The 2 INTs was cool, but the tackle against McAffrey was even better.
    9, With that said…I think Barton (and Amadi) just need to take a medium step to be amazing playmakers. With them reading offenses a bit better, reacting a bit faster, they might be a turnover machine in the future
    10, A win is a win, but this sucked a bit by the team not able to close the game at around 30-10 or 30-17. And the injuries piled up crazy on the D#. Yeah, and I was not a fan of Pete’s risk-averse game-call, or constantly dialing up deep shots (maybe that’s on Schotty and Russ too). I know…Russ had a nice stat sheet and Carson had too, but without forcing deep throws it might have been even prettier for both. Or at least would’ve made their life easier.

    If I were the Hawks FO, I’d probably sit every starter who has a decent backup and has some injury issue vs the Cards. We need to get as close to healthy against the 49ers as we can

  98. Rob Staton

    Thanks for nothing Atlanta.

    • Big Mike

      Well this didn’t age well.

      • Rob Staton

        On the contrary… it aged very well!

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