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Tier one (5)
Saquon Barkley (RB, Penn State)
Quenton Nelson (G, Notre Dame)
Tremaine Edmunds (LB, Virginia Tech)
Bradley Chubb (DE, NC State)
Vita Vea (DT, Washington)
These are the elite five. None of this group will last to #18 but if they did, you wouldn’t trade down. The crème de la crème of the 2018 draft and five potential stars of the future.
Tier two (4)
Sam Darnold (QB, USC)
Josh Rosen (QB, UCLA)
Baker Mayfield (QB, Oklahoma)
Josh Allen (QB, Wyoming)
I thought about not including the top quarterbacks. After all, the Seahawks aren’t going to be trading into the top-10 to land a new QB. Darnold, Mayfield and Allen appear locks to go in the top-10. Rosen’s stock is a little less clear although in terms of talent, he’s the more natural passer in the group.
Tier three (5)
Ronald Jones II (RB, USC)
Leighton Vander Esch (LB, Boise State)
Roquan Smith (LB, Georgia)
Lamar Jackson (QB, Louisville)
Isaiah Wynn (G, Georgia)
These are the players I would separate from the enormous middle class. Ronald Jones II and Isaiah Wynn likely won’t go in the top-20 but you’ll be hard pushed to find better tape than theirs in 2017.
Tier four (20)
Austin Corbett (G, Nevada)
Billy Price (C, Ohio State)
Frank Ragnow (C, Arkansas)
James Daniels (C, Iowa)
Marcus Davenport (DE, UTSA)
Maurice Hurst (DT, Michigan)
Derwin James (S, Florida State)
Minkah Fitzpatrick (S, Alabama)
Taven Bryan (DT, Florida)
Isaiah Oliver (CB, Colorado)
Nick Chubb (RB, Georgia)
Anthony Miller (WR, Memphis)
Christian Kirk (WR, Texas A&M)
D.J. Moore (WR, Maryland)
Mike McGlinchey (T, Notre Dame)
Rashaan Evans (LB, Alabama)
Calvin Ridley (WR, Alabama)
Tim Settle (DT, Virginia Tech)
Da’Ron Payne (DT, Alabama)
Will Hernandez (G, UTEP)
Some of these players will go in the top-20. Others will last into the 30’s or 40’s. You can make a case that Austin Corbett, Billy Price, Frank Ragnow and James Daniels deserve better grades than Derwin James and Minkah Fitzpatrick. This is why I think trading down from #18 is inevitable. If you can get Corbett, Price, Maurice Hurst, Christian Kirk, Nick Chubb or Isaiah Oliver after trading down, you do it. Because the player at #18 isn’t going to possess a significantly higher grade than the player you take at #33, #38 or #40.
Tier five (34)
Denzel Ward (CB, Ohio State)
Courtland Sutton (WR, SMU)
James Washington (WR, Oklahoma State)
Kerryon Johnson (RB, Auburn)
Ian Thomas (TE, Indiana)
Dallas Goedert (TE, South Dakota State)
Kolton Miller (T, UCLA)
Braden Smith (G, Auburn)
Jessie Bates III (S, Wake Forest)
Justin Reid (S, Stanford)
Ronnie Harrison (S, Alabama)
Nick Nelson (CB, Wisconsin)
Carlton Davis (CB, Auburn)
Harold Landry (DE, Boston College)
Sony Michel (RB, Georgia)
Derrius Guice (RB, LSU)
Jaire Alexander (CB, Louisville)
Joshua Jackson (CB, Iowa)
Royce Freeman (RB, Oregon)
Rashaad Penny (RB, San Diego State)
Hayden Hurst (TE, South Carolina)
Malik Jefferson (LB, Texas)
Kemoko Turay (DE, Rutgers)
Josh Sweat (DE, Florida State)
Lorenzo Carter (LB, Georgia)
Sam Hubbard (DE, Ohio State)
Rasheem Green (DE, USC)
Terrell Edmunds (S, Virginia Tech)
Breeland Speaks (DE, Ole Miss)
Andrew Brown (DE, Virginia)
B.J. Hill (DT, NC State)
Derrick Nnadi (DT, Florida State)
Tyquan Lewis (DE, Ohio State)
Josey Jewell (LB, Iowa)
I didn’t see the point in ranking Denzel Ward any higher because Seattle probably won’t draft a short armed corner in round one. But he’s good enough that if he somehow lasted into the early second there’s no point not having him on the board.
I think Harold Landry is quite overrated. He’s often paired with the Seahawks in mock drafts but seems like a mirage to me. One of Bob McGinn’s sources said this about Landry: “He’s not a first-round property. I don’t think he can stand up (in a 3-4). He’s too tight in the hips. He’s a little guy and he doesn’t have the burst. Fool’s gold.” Another said: “Not a physical guy. Not strong at the point of attack. Doesn’t really play hard. Not a dynamic pass rusher. He’s more of a fall-into-sacks guy.” I’m not taking him off the board but this ranking represents where I think his stock should be in relation to the Seahawks.
Someone like Hayden Hurst could land in the late first round. Ditto Sam Hubbard. But Tyquan Lewis, Derrick Nnadi, Josey Jewell and B.J. Hill could end up being high impact players. Assuming the Seahawks trade down and acquire at least a second and third round pick in return, the likes of Speaks, Brown, Hill, Nnandi and Lewis would all be fine and underrated selections for a team needing to add to the D-line.
It’s at this point that the EDGE rush options fall off the proverbial cliff.
Why aren’t Sony Michel and Derrius Guice higher? Michel fumbles too often and with Guice it’s character. Jaire Alexander and Joshua Jackson could both go in the first round but don’t fit Seattle’s physical profile at corner, so I’ve placed them in tier six.
Tier six (17)
Kalen Ballage (RB, Arizona State)
Luke Falk (QB, Washington State)
Mason Rudolph (QB, Oklahoma State)
D.J. Chark (WR, LSU)
Dante Pettis (WR, Washington)
Holton Hill (CB, Texas)
Harrison Phillips (DT, Stanford)
Connor Williams (G, Texas)
Geron Christian (T, Louisville)
Tyrell Crosby (T, Oregon)
Nathan Shepherd (DT, Fort Hays State)
Justin Jones (DT, NC State)
Keke Coutee (WR, Texas A&M)
Jalyn Holmes (DE, Ohio State)
Shaquem Griffin (LB, UCF)
Tarvarius Moore (S, Southern Miss)
Donte Jackson (CB, LSU)
Some of the names in this list stand out more than others. Realistically the Seahawks could target Kalen Ballage and Shaquem Griffin. Holton Hill could be a hedge if they don’t acquire Isaiah Oliver, Keke Coutee could be an alternative to Christian Kirk and Jalyn Holmes could be an alternative to some of the defensive linemen.
Tier seven (15)
Quenton Meeks (CB, Stanford)
Kameron Kelly (DB, San Diego State)
Dalton Schultz (TE, Stanford)
Durham Smythe (TE, Notre Dame)
Mike Gesicki (TE, Penn State)
Tony Brown (CB, Alabama)
John Kelly (RB, Tennessee)
Brian O’Neill (T, Pittsburgh)
Dorance Armstrong (DE, Kansas)
Leon Jacobs (LB, Wisconsin)
Natrell Jamerson (S, Wisconsin)
Jaylen Samuels (RB, NC State)
Isaac Yiadom (CB, Boston College)
Oren Burks (LB, Vanderbilt)
Micah Kiser (LB, Virginia)
This group further illustrates the kind of depth that will be on offer stretching into rounds three and four. The prospects listed here will provoke mixed opinions. For me, it’s a really talented group.
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Mike Gesicki could be an awesome fit for a vertical offense.
Amazing stuff and I wouldn’t change anything but his placement probably up into five. But he’s better than Hayden Hurst
The top ten will probably be those 5 great names, those 4 QBs, and Roquan Smith, right?
Seamode’s TEF list
1. Braden Smith, Auburn, 6062, 315, 116 SPARQ, 32.25* arm, 3.52 TEF, 110.99 wTEF
2. Korey Cunningham, Cincinnati, 6053, 311, 133.7 SPARQ, 32.25* arm, 3.48 TEF, 108.36 wTEF
3. Kolton Miller, UCLA, 6085, 309, 136 SPARQ, 34.125 arm, 3.31 TEF, 102.28 wTEF
4. Gerhard de Beer, Arizona, 6064, 312, 110.2 SPARQ, 34.125 arm, 3.28 TEF, 102.34 wTEF
5. David Steinmetz, Purdue, 6074, 321, 108.3 SPARQ, 34.25 arm, 3.23 TEF, 103.8 wTEF
6. Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech, 6044, 314, 109.6 SPARQ, 34 arm, 3.22 TEF, 101.19 wTEF
7. Brant Weiss, Toledo, 6060, 297, 96.8 SPARQ, 34 arm, 3.21 TEF, 95.46 wTEF
8. Connor Williams, Texas, 6051, 296, 114.6 SPARQ, 33 arm, 3.17 TEF, 93.95 wTEF
9. Jashon Robertson, Tennessee, 6024, 292, 107.6 SPARQ, 33.25 arm, 3.16 TEF, 92.32 wTEF
10. Will Hernandez, UTEP, 6023, 327, 107.7 SPARQ, 32* arm, 3.14 TEF, 102.53 wTEF
11. Dejon Allen, Hawaii, 6020, 295, 110.8 SPARQ, 32.625* arm, 3.08 TEF, 91 wTEF
12. Christian DiLauro, Illinois, 6054, 300, 107 SPARQ, 33.375 arm, 3.04 TEF, 91.32 wTEF
13. Cole Boozer, Temple, 6052, 300, 104.4 SPARQ, 33.875 arm, 3.04 TEF, 91.34 wTEF
14. Austin Golson, Auburn, 6046, 304, 100.9 SPARQ, 32.25* arm, 2.95* TEF, 89.57* wTEF
15. Alex Light, Richmond, 6052, 309, 100.9 SPARQ, 33.25 arm, 2.91* TEF, 90.06 wTEF
Awesome list Kenny! This seems like an unusually high list of TEF stars this year. Are the offensive lineman in college finally starting to catch up with defensive lineman, or is this just a one off year?
Thanks for the list Kenny!
Kenny is this inclusive of all tef scores or is it 15 good get scores? I have no idea about the likes of Nelson and some others but my dude Ragnow had a 3.2.
6’4″. 307 lb 4.98/40. 33.5 vert. 9’7″ broad 27 reps on the bench I don’t know about weighted tef but that would put him in the 8 th spot on that list.
Or is this list players outside the early rounds with a few names thrown in for reference?
Im sure Tom Cable will draft a couple of them, and they will never play worth a damn lol!
So glad he’s gone, along with his Hubris and hideous talent evaluation….
Still think TEF is only a piece of the puzzle when it comes to evaluating linemen, but its a surely one worth examining.
Really looking forward to seeing if Seattle drafts an O lineman, and how much their choice may reflect changing evaluation procedures and the influence of Solari.
Even in the interview from which I pulled the TEF baseline numbers Cable says Intelligence and Grit are higher on their list of qualities for OL than any measurable soo…
And here is my 32″ arm CB athletic profile
Isaiah Oliver: 33 1/2 arms — 80 5/8 wingspan 9″5/8 hands, 6′ 194 lbs. 4.5, 6.94, 35.5, 10-8,
Carlton Davis: 32 3/4 arms — 79 3/8 wingspan, 8″7/8 hands, 6’1 204 lbs. 4.44, 7.30, 34″, 10-3, 16
Isaac Yiadom: 32 1/4 arms — 75 3/4 wingspan, 8″7/8 hands, 6’1, 190 lbs. 4.52, 6.85, 34.5″, 10′, 8
Holton Hill: 32 arms — 77 1/4 wingspan, 6’2, 196 lbs. 4.49, 6.83, 31″, 10′, 14
Quenton Meeks: 31 3/4 arms — 76 1/4 wingspan, 6’1, 209 lbs. 4.23 ss 6.72 3cone, 39″, 10’08”, 11
Tarvarus McFadden: 32 1/2 arms — 78 wingspan 6’2, 198 lbs. 4.65, 35″, 10’01
Levi Wallace: 32 3/4 arms — 77 3/8 wingspan 6′, 183 lbs. 4.63* injured on run. 33″
Christian Campbell: 33 1/2 arms — 79 wingspan 8 3/4hands, 6’1, 195 lbs. 4.55, 4.18, 6.77, 41″ 11″03, 14
Arrion Springs: 31 3/4 arms — 75 7/8 wingspan 5’10, 208 lbs., 4.46, 4.51, 7.02, 9’10, 32″, 18
D’Montre Wade: 32 3/8 arms — 76 7/8 wingspan 9″ 7/8 hands, 5’11, 206, 4.57, 4.40, 35 1/2″, 10′,
Brandon Facyson: 32 5/8 arms — 78 1/2 wingspan 9 3/4″ 6’1, 203 lbs. 4.53, 16 reps
Chandon Sullivan: 32 3/8 arms — 76 3/4 wingspan, 9″ hands, 5’11, 194 lbs. 4.6, 4.36 ss, 41″ 11’02, 15
Jordan Thomas: 32 arms — 77 3/4 wingspan, 9″ 1/2 hands, 6′, 187 lbs. 4.64, 3.94, 6.28, 10’04, 34″, 04 bench
Charvarius Ward: 32 1/4 arms — 77 1/4 wingspan 6’1, 198 lbs. 4.44, 4.56, 7.52, 11′, 37 1/2″, 12
JaMarcus King: 32 7/8 arms — 78 3/8 wingspan 9 1/8″ hands, 6’1, 185 lbs. 4.58, 4.38, 7.2, 9’06, 32 1/2″
Donovan Olumba: 32 7/8 arms — 77 7/8 wingspan 6’2, 192, 4.62, 4.47, 6.91, 10’06, 36″, 09
Malik Reaves: 32 1/2 arms — 76 7/8 wingspan 5’11 201 lbs.
Chris Jones: 32 3/4 arms — 78 1/4 wingsp
Charvarius Ward: 32 1/4 arms — 77 1/4 wingspan 6’1, 198 lbs. 4.44, 4.56, 7.52, 11′, 37 1/2″, 12
WOAH!! This guys screams Seahawk. Physical profile, background, doesnt mind tackling (6th on his team in tackles last year), later round projection. I could see this being a solid Seahawk day 3 pick.
I’d have to go look at film, but the first impression is spot on.
Total piece of clay. Not much to see on tape. UDFA if anything IMO.
He looked impressive on the video I watched, stuck to his man like flypaper with no room for him to even breathe. The kid has one-on-one shut down skills, and those are hard to find.
Vertical offense where the team is not looking for blocking out of their TE – similar to Denver with Shannon Sharpe.
DE: Cliff Avril, Frank Clark, Dion Jordan, Marcus Smith, Branden Jackson, Christian French, , Noble Nwachukwu, 7
DT: Jarran Reed, Tom Johnson, Shamar Stephen, Naz Jones, Quinton Jefferson, 5
LB: Bobby Wagner, KJ Wright, Barkevious Mingo, DJ Alexander, Josh Forrest, Paul Dawson, 6
S: Kam Chancellor, Earl Thomas, Bradley McDougald, Maurice Alexander, Delano Hill, Tedric Thompson, Akeem King, 7
CB: Shaquill Griffin, Justin Coleman, Dontae Johnson, Neiko Thorpe, DeAndre Elliot, Mike Tyson, Alex Carter, 7
Defense: 32
OL: Duane Brown, Germain Ifedi, George Fant, Isaiah Battle, , Tyrus Thompson 5
OG: DJ Fluker, Ethan Pocic, Rees Odhiambo, Willie Beavers 4
OC: Justin Britt, Joey Hunt 2
WR: Doug Baldwin, Tyler Lockett, Jaron Brown, Amarah Darboh, Marcus Johnson, David Moore, Cyril Grayson, Tanner McEvoy, 8
QB: Russell Wilson, Austin Davis, Stephen Morris 3
RB: Chris Carson, Mike Davis, CJ Prosise, JD McKissic, 4
FB: Jalston Fowler, Tre Madden, 2
TE: Ed Dickson, Nick Vannett, Tyrone Swoopes, 3
Offense: 31
Kicker: Sebastian Janikowski, Justin Myers
Punter: Jon Ryan
Long snapper: Tyler Ott
Special Teams: 4
Total: 67
You’re still carrying Avril and Chancellor?
They’re still on the roster.
From your list, Tier Four is the cliff for OG/OT. If Rob’s list is anything like Seattle’s, it could suggest they select an early O-liner. Although, yes, we’ve invested a lot of early draft capital into the O-line, the best value for DE/WR/RB/CB/LB/TE could be found later.
DE’s cliff appears to be at Tier Five—so great depth. DT’s can be found in Tier 6.
Also looks like there is a cliff for WR after Tier Four as well.
TE cliff is very late too. Forcing an early pick there may not be needed.
CB also has great depth.
May mean they target an early OG and then a top-end RB like Rojo or Chubb. That would fit with our draft instincts since the beginning, and would also fit the board.
If they were to trade into the top of round 2 and take Billy a Price, I’d be perfectly happy. At the same time, if they don’t draft any O-line at all, I’d take that as a vote of confidence in who they have and not be worried about it.
Rob, you have out done yourself if that is possible. Thank you for the great in depth analysis through out the past few months. I can’t wait to see how this shakes out, and all I ask is we find atleast 4 quality starters…..and a free agent sleeper.
Four quality starters is all you ask? Out of this draft? The one where we have one pick in the first 120 selections? I think we should be happy to find 1-2 quality starters in 2018, another 3-4 who serve as quality backups/special teamers with starter potential down the road.
We already have a bunch of young guys on the team who should be hungry for playing time, its doubtful any/many of our Rd 4-7 picks this year are going to take their spots.
I love the optimism though, and completely agree that Rob (and others on the blog) have done an outstanding job preparing us for tomorrow’s draft!! Go Hawks!
You don’t really think we’ll end up with one pick in the first 120 do you? That is just not the Seahawk way. They even trade down in years when they have all their picks. Ok 4 might be a big ask, but before the end of the year 3 is not an over the top ask. May not be easy, but not impossible.
I definitely believe they will trade down, likely more than once. Even after trading down I don’t think four quality starters out of this draft is likely, definitely not in 2018 and perhaps never. I’m not saying we can’t pick some really good players, even eventual starters, in the later rounds, we have done that before. There’s nothing wrong with quality backups and special teamers either. A good team needs excellent depth.
All that said, I hope Edgar is a visionary and proves to be correct!!
I know it’s a stretch. Just trying to keep a positive spin going on this draft in which we have to grind out extra picks.
Matt Miller tweeted out that he is hearing Day 3 for Mo Hurst. Maybe the heart thing has teams nervous?
If he is indeed available on day #3….. well worth the investment.
Hopefully the Hawks are paying him off to get Mo to drop. I would be the happiest Hawk fan on SDB if we manage to get him. I know I’m probably the only one on here who would, but I’d take him with our first pick (wherever that may be).
He’s an exciting talent, for sure.
He’s a specialist and should be drafted as such. He has almost no value on early downs because of his penchant to dessert the gap and try to get penetration on nearly every play. For what we run, it may not be useful to take the guy before the 3rd or 4th round.
Well, I obviously disagree. Saying he has almost no value on early downs is crazy. Mo played virtually every down and Michigan was a top 20 run D. Ahead of NC State with Chubb and BJ Hill and Justin Jones. Ahead of Georgia, LSU, FSU…
I will grant you a point that his gap discipline is not always the best, but I don’t know how Michigan coached that either.
My counter is that when he is one on one, he’s in the backfield more than anyone in college football. Which means that he’s making a play or changing one. As such, teams schemed for this by double or triple teaming him or rolling the pocket to the opposite direction. Regardless of how HE impacts the play after that, it means that other guys are one on one or there is an extra man in coverage.
Here’s the breakdown of his weaknesses:
Marginal height and frame is nearly maxed out. Hands are more active than strong — could play with more pop and power. Overpowered in the run game and ground up by double teams. Gets snared and controlled by bigger, longer blockers. Not a two-gap player. Has some tweener traits — lacks ideal length and bend to play outside.
Gotcha! That is from AARON DONALD’s draft page. Their strengths and weaknesses are mirror images coming out of college. Geno Atkins profile looks eerily similar as well and those are probably the 2 best DT’s in the league. Same height/weight for all 3 as draft entrants as well.
You can’t compare him to Aaron Donald. Honestly, he’s going to have issues against NFL linemen on run downs consistently unless he gets stronger. I like him, but the overwhelming love ourt here by some surprises me. The more I saw of him the more I worried about his overall value as a situational player. If he only becomes a Clinton McDonald clone, is he really worth taking earlier? When I see him play, I se a guy selling out to get through a crease because if he tried to stand his ground he’s going to get turned. He would be an incredible luxury on passing downs. He may even have some value at strong side end at times. I just don’t see a first day player.
Sure I can. I just did. The scouting report reads the same, they have the same body and the same strengths and weaknesses entering the league. Aaron Donald was no sure thing coming in. He wasn’t even the Rams first pick that year.
These guys are all about a month removed from their first legal beer. Unless your name is Vita Vea, you will need to get stronger to play DL.
Not sure where the ‘overwhelming love’ is coming from. I’m pretty much the only one on SDB banging the drum for this guy. Maybe you’ve just seen a number of my posts and assume that it’s a consensus. It isn’t, I’m in the exclusive minority of one (maybe 2) that wants to take him this high. Maybe you mean nationally?
It’s funny how two people can watch the same thing and see something completely different. I see one of the few guys in the draft who can actually get to the QB from the inside. Why would I want him to stand his ground? He’s a disruptor, not an anchor. You can find guys that stand up and get stonewalled in UDFA. In fact that’s 95% of the DT’s in the draft. Finding a guy who can get to the QB from the 3 technique just doesn’t happen much.
I like Hurst. If Seattle could get him in the third (I realize they have no pick there unless a trade materializes) or fourth, I would be quite pleased. Still, his heart thing is a concern, like Jesse Williams mangled knees a few years back. What a shame that was–he sure could play, but his knees couldnt take the day to day pounding, and the liver cancer thing was the final straw. I hope Hurst manages to have a good career, wherever he goes….
I want Shaquem Griffin, Nick Chubb, and Derrick Nnandi.
All football!
Great work again this year, Rob. I check in almost every day.
Thanks,
David
I like those guys too. Im a bit baffled why Nnadi is rated so low–if he’s there in the late rounds, I REALLY hope Seattle picks him.
Griffin and Chubb are my two biggest draft crushes. Either one would be great, but both would be excellent.
My bold predictions….
Baker Mayfield goes #1 to Cleveland. Yes, this goes against Dorsey’s MO but I think the big difference here is they need a personality who will be bold. It’s going to take a unique person/QB to embrace Cleveland and take them out of the pit. Mayfield is not Johnny Manziel.
Saquon Barkley falls to #6. Nothing to do with talent and everything to do with a deep RB class. There are teams that are going to feel more comfortable with Chubb or Nelson AND Nick Chubb or RoJo. Again, ZERO to do with talent.
Josh Rosen goes the way of Aaron Rodgers with a draft day fall. And he will end up being the best QB in this class.
Lamar Jackson falls to Round 2 and goes AFTER Mason Rudolph. Lamar has done everything wrong this draft season. He’s a fantastic talent that has some major holes when it comes to translating to the NFL. I am very worried about his accuracy and ability to go through progressions/NFL reads. The RW critics seem to want Lamar. which is comical considering the gripe is that RW can’t go through reads and doesn’t play on schedule.
Earl Thomas is traded for a 2nd, 3rd, and 2019 4th rounder. Fans go nuts, but Seattle ends up finding 2 cornerstone players in 2018, with those picks.
Seahawks first pick…is a WR. Christian Kirk, DJ Moore, Anthony Miller are all candidates. All 3 are hardcore characters who love football and WR is a major need that seems to get glossed over. All are instant contributors and safe players who scream football. All of these guys have a chance to be available after a trade down or two.
The theme of this class is high character and football. You will not see 1 character concern. “We are stopping the excuses for guys.” This draft will set a new paradigm going forward. Guys that are all in and all about football. Pete and John seemed to have done some serious soul searching.
Nice!
excellent work. almost agree about rosen. i am a bit down on the whole qb class.
first pick a wr? i definitely see that.
Agree with most except for Mayfield to Browns. Too many questions and too much risk for the Browns.
Two more sleeps til Xmas!
Now just one!!
You forgot JT Barrett whom the Seahawks will draft in the 5th round.
I can see them taking a flyer on Barrett.
Not sure a fifth rounder this year is a flyer. there’s a lot of unique players that can contribute at that range and ideally Barrett or someone else never contributes.
Holton hill, poona ford, okoronkwo (?), to name a few.
No, I think more late round flyer or UDFA.
Tier 7 != round 7. For instance, in his mock draft a couple of days ago, he had us taking Jamerson at 156 and Holton Hill at 120
If anyone drafts Barrett before round 7… He is such a terrible passer when it comes to accuracy and consistency. He is a mess.
I still like Logan Woodside as a sleeper candidate late day 3 or priority UDFA. In fact, I personally have a round 3 grade on him.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/logan-woodside?id=32462018-0002-5601-9613-f1771f9cf2cb
Yeah, I think he’s gonna go a little earlier too. Not a little of big school prospects at QB so Kyle Lauletta or Woodside should go pretty quick and probably start the gradual selection of smaller school prospects on day 3.
Just unsure where guys like Riley Ferguson and Kurt Benkert go.
Kenny Hill could fit in the seventh, but I doubt we’re his preference in udfa
Yep, he’s a candidate if he doesn’t go before. He put up crazy numbers at Toledo.
Thats a pretty good list there. I was trying to think if there was a name that popped out that was missing and I thought of Okoronkwo.
Good shout. Uchenna Nwosu could go into a big board.
Thats another good one.
When I read this post… it made me tier up.
Nice ^^
Nice. Categorically on the level!
Great stuff everyone!
I’m hoping for a trade back and hoping to get the following:
R2 Jones RB USC
R2 Price G OU
R3 Griffin LB UCF
R5 Holton Hill CB Texas
R5 Armstrong DE Kansas
R5 Jacobs LB Wisc
R6 Jamerson S Wisc
R7 Dissly TE UW
Thoughts?
I see almost every pick being a contributor from Day 1 – many with the opportunity to add a level of playmaking athleticism and youth that we don’t have right now on our roster at some positions.
Excited to see what happens!
Go Hawks!!
If we trade Earl for a second and fourth, I’d add:
R2 Green Edge USC
R4 Tate WR FSU – red zone weapon!
I’d like to have all of these guys too. I think I might want someone for us to throw the ball to as well. Hawks are going to need to get creative this draft.
I’ll stroke out if we draft Jones, Green and Price. What a haul that’d be
Really like your draft Coach. That would be a dream draft. The only guy I don’t really care for is Armstrong.
Really?? What don’t you like about him? Genuinely curious, he seems like a fantastic value where he is projected to go. Pauline mocked him to us in the 3rd, which I definitely think is too high, but in Rd4-5? Sign me up!
This is a great draft. I personally prefer Nick Chubb over Jones, but I think this is a great set of players. I think you are right to pick Griffin in the 3rd. Why wait and watch someone else grab him?
You might have a better shot at Price/Chubb than Jones/Price, depending on where in rd 2 the picks are.
Agreed, great draft! Especially with the ET trade and adding Green. Would love to see one more offensive weapon taken though, possibly in place of Price. I realize he’s very good and we always seem to be searching for quality o liners, but how would one of Kirk or Moore look in that spot!!
Looks like a really nice draft haul to me. Ive made no bones about being goofy for Griffin. I think he’s worth the third on his merits as a player, let alone what a great story it would make to have him be teammates with his bro in Seattle. I think it could really draw the locker room together too, though down the road there might be sticky contract issues….
Price would be a great pick anywhere in the second, and Hill/Armstrong/Jacobs/Jamerson/Dissly are all guys I would love to see in Seattle. As Rob pointed out, Seattle could be after half of Wisconsin’s D in this draft, and may end up with a couple!
I’d be incredibly happy with this draft. Only concern is Dissly will likely go in round 5-6, so you’d probably have to take him earlier. Jamerson could more feasibly slide into round 7, so swap those 2 and it seems more plausible.
Thanks Rob
Really great stuff Rob and another prime example of what makes this blog so great!
I agree 100% with tiers 1-3 and your take on the guys in tier #1 being the only guys you take instead of trading back.
With Dorsey and Mcloughin running the show I think the Browns take Darnold #1 as the face of the franchise. Passing on him is a 12 yr mistake. The new Browns front office places character at top of the list and Darnold has it in spades.
Then I think they trade down at #4 with a Buffalo who wants a QB and they target Derwin James as the new leader of the Browns secondary. Dorsey and Mcloughin were part of the drafting of Eric Berry and Kam Chancellor and James is a hybrid of these two. Plus he is an Alpha leader.
They use thier 3rd 1st round pick after the trade back on Mclingchey or Miller to replace Joe Thomas.
Then they use #33 on Ronald Jones to compliment Carlos Hyde.
So that is my Browns bold prediction. They end up with 3 1st round picks and their first 4 picks are
Darnold
James
McGlinchey or Miller
Ronald Jones
That’s an awful nice haul for sure!! In years past the Browns would figure out how to screw this up, maybe things are changing in Cleveland??
BTW, if this happens it eliminates one trading partner for us…unless the Browns trade back into the first and select their fourth 1st rounder!!
They still could if the owner gets involved the way he did on the Manziel pick.
Charvarious Ward is my new pre-draft crush. Rob or anybody watched any film on him? Thanks to Kenny for pointing out the stats:
32 1/4 arms — 77 1/4 wingspan 6’1, 198 lbs. 4.44, 4.56, 7.52, 11′, 37 1/2″, 12
Seems like he is out to prove something as a non-combine invitee.
Loves playing physical and up for anything the coaches ask (from a draftwire interview):
JM: You’re a long, physical cover man. What do you feel are your best assets?
CW: I feel like my best asset is my upside because I’m still so young. I’m just 21 years old. I’m still young and I’m still learning. My rookie year in the NFL is gonna be my fifth year playing football. I feel like I have a lot of upside still. I have a chance to be a great corner at the next level. As you said, my man coverage skills are another thing I would make note of. I feel like I have some of the best man skills in this draft. I can follow any receiver around and knock them down. That’s just what I do.
JM: Why should an NFL team invest one of their picks into Charvarius Ward?
CW: I’m a hard worker. I’ll do anything my coaches ask of me. I’ll play special teams; I don’t mind that at all. I’m responsible. I won’t let any owner, GM or my coach down. I’ll make the team better. I work hard and just do my job. I try to lead by example. I won’t be a waste of a draft pick. That’s a promise. I’ll be a great draft pick in any round. I’ll do anything my coaches ask of me.
Great info Georgia Hawk, he’s an in your shorts cover guy. There’s hardly any air between him and the man he’s covering. I don’t know why QBs even consider throwing to his side. Maybe they’re hoping for pass interference calls. This guy has the goods. The question I don’t know the answer to is if he has red flags following him.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8o9SXDaR9aY
My top 10 non Seahawks predictions for the draft
#1 Taven Bryant will be an Atlanta Falcon
#2 Kemko Turay will be a Patriot. BB loves Rutgers guys and they need an Edge rusher
#3 There will be 6 QB in Round 1 (Rosen, Darnold, Rosen, Mayfeild, Jackson, Rudolph)
#4 The Ravens take another Alabama player with Calvin Ridley
#5 Quenton Nelson falls to the Bears at #8 and is the best Guard the NFL has seen since Larry Allen.
#6 Saquon Barkley falls out of the top 5 and is a steal for someone winning offensive rookie of the year.
#7 The Pats draft Colton Miller at thier new Nate Solder.
#8 The Colts trade back again from #6 then move up to draft Roquan Smith.
#9 The Cowboys Trade back to late 1st round and pick Courtland Sutton SMU.
#10 Four Interior OL go in Rd #1 ( Nelson, Wynn, Hernandez, Ragnow) and six go in too 40 ( Daniels, Price)
My goal is 50% hit rate.
Fairly sound positions.
I will say that I don’t think Barkley will win OROY. there’s a big arc to my thought processes but I think if jones goes to the eagles he will win OROY. that would be a great fit between player, team, and scheme.
There is no way Allen goes after Mayfield and Jasckson at QB though. Maybe you meant him though instead of Rosen twice.
Yeah sorry it should have read Allen not Rosen the second time.
Would love to hear some guys you think the Hawks will target as UDFA.
Couple of guys I think could be targets.
Simeon Thomas ( CB L-Laf) prototype physically for what Pete wants in a CB. Bring him in and coach him up on the PS.
Khalil Hill (FB Mich) If the Hawks want a big bruising FB in the run game Hill could be the guy.
Kyle Allen and JT Barrett (QB) they could spend a late round pick on one of there guys but if not an udfa arm for camp makes a ton of sense as the backup QB spot is wide open.
Ed Shockley LB Villanova
Matthew McCrane K Kansas St.
Davond Dade, DL, Portland St.
Patrick Morris, OG, TCU
Austin Golson, OL, Auburn
Antonio Rosales, OG, SDSU
Dave Wells, TE, SDSU
I like Wells and Shockley. Now I have to go checkout these other guys 🙂
Basically half their VMAC visitors are fair game in UDFA I think. When they’re not using the official 30 visits for getting answers on guys, they are using them for recruiting potential UDFAs.
Lets hear more draft crushes! The Seahawks haven’t drafted anyone I’ve had my heart set on since 2012, haha.
QB: Luke Falk. Probably nothing the FO looks for in a QB, but I love the guy.
RB: I actually like all the running backs in this draft. Happy with any of them.
WR: Michael Gallup, Equanimeus St. Brown, DJ Moore, Ricky Jeune.
TE: Not a real fan of any of them. Maybe Geseki but he’s barely a TE.
OT: Geron Christian, Cole Madison, Alex Cappa
G: Austin Corbett. Nasty. Braden Smith, Wyatt Teller.
Edge: Ola Adeniyi, Ade Aruna, Javon Rolland-Jones
DT: Poona Ford, PJ Hall. PJ Hall is probably the guy I want the Seahawks to draft the most.
LB. Unrealistically? Tremaine Edmunds. Maybe realistically, LVE. Realistically? Griffen, obviously. Dorian O’Daniel, Darius Leonard. Good LB everywhere in this draft.
CB: Isaiah Oliver – my favorite player. Devron Davis. Hill, Yiadom. Tarvarus McFadden. Happy with any of them.
S: Deshon Eliott, Troy Apke, I think Dane Cruikshank will be an amazing rover. I love, LOVE Armani Watts but he’s basically Tedrick Thompson 2.0
I’d be happy if the Seahawks take even one of these.
QB; I really like Riley Ferguson from Memphis. Good placement
Alex McGough has really good footspeed and control of his offense.
RB; I like Chubb and Bo Scarbrough to add some bully to our run game.
John Kelly is ok for a late backup (why take Guice?). Mike Boone had some super sparqy test numbers and is real physical on tape.
FB; So many pass catching big guys. Khalid Hill, Jaylen Samuels, Dimitri Flowers. All are excellent at what they do. Nick Bawden is a helluva blocker.
TE; Dave Wells is intriguing later on as a combo Y. Ian Thomas is gonna take some developing so I would prefer a guy like Tyler Conklin late. Smythe and Schultz are options imo. Jordan Thomas from mississippi state is huge with soft hands.
OT; I like Tyrell Crosby, could be steal as he falls for bad weight. Mason Cole is super versatile, Brandon Parker is a major leader. Korey Cunningham for cinci was too.
OG; Dejon Allen 2x omvp for Hawaii, Will Hernandez is one of my favorite profiles ever. Big UGLY. Antonio Rosales from sdsu, Jashon Robertson one of the most decorated Tennessee lineman.
C; Ragnow is quite good, Billy Price is on can’t-miss level for me. Patrick Morris TCU, freak athlete. Coleman Shelton as udfa
WR; Christian Kirk, DJ Chark, Anthony Miller. I really don’t like this class, but Keith Kirkwood has size later on.
DE; Lorenzo Carter, Kemoko Turay and Josh Sweat. Tyquan Lewis. Chad Thomas and Ogbonnia Okoronkwo. Davond Dade portland state.
DT; Vita Vea, Kendrick Norton violent hand usage, Foley Fatukasi super strong, Bilal Nichols squat gap splitter w good run d.
LB; Malik Jefferson, Shaquem Griffin, Oren Burks, Dorian O’Daniel, Matthew Thomas incredibly athletic, but underwhelming like the rest of that defense, Ed Shockley villanova plays faster than he tested. Undersized chip on his shoulder.
CB; Isaiah Oliver, Carlton Davis, Nick Nelson, Kameron Kelly, Tarvarus McFadden, Christian Campbell penn state, Holton Hill, Tony Brown II mouth, Jordan Thomas mouth
S; Deshon Elliott, Troy Apke, Armani Watts, Foye Oluokun yale, Montrel Meander grambling, Chris Cooper stony brook
This is fun….
QB: Baker Mayfield. I love the fire. His teammates and coaches adore him. You can’t fake that. I hope he goes to Cleveland and turns them around. Maybe my favorite player in the last 10 years.
RB: Nick Chubb. Straight business. Overcame a devastating injury. Pristine character while still being a bad ass.
WR: Christian Kirk and Anthony Miller. They play the game the right way and will be successful.
TE: Will Dissly. Old school. Not sexy. Just a good player.
OT: Isaiah Wynn. Yep, I said it. Let him play OT and prove his length is an issue. Technically sound and a great athlete. If it doesn’t work. All Pro OG for 8 years.
OG: Billy Price. He’s Baker Mayfield of the OL for me. Smart and tough. Teammates gravitate to him. He will be a great pro for a long time.
LB: LVE. Baller with incredible upside. He reminds me of TJ Watt with a higher ceiling (yes that’s scary).
CB: Isaac Yiadom. Day 1 starter you can get on day 2. Will be a top notch CB for a long time. Does everything right.
S: Deshon Elliott. Most underrated player in the draft. Will be a high end SS, not FS.
Billy Price is nothing like Baker Mayfield. Much more like Nick Chubb imo
*professional and competitive leader. Baker can definitely be a wild card in ways those two are not at all.
Like your list a lot! Need some DL though… 🙂
Thanks for posting this Rob. Great stuff as always.
I’ll say one last time before the draft that I think you are too low on John Kelly. He’ll join his former teammate Kamara as a guy who people wonder how he fell so far. I think he’s likely to be a star and deserves to be talked about in the same group as Michell and Guice.
Yeah, I agree
Guice and Michel are overrated.
Kenny can you just clarify what you are agreeing on – the nod to Rob or you think Kelly is underated?
I agree that Michel and Guice are similar players to Kelly, but I think Kelly is properly rated by Rob and others.
People get too excited about Thomas Rawls types thrashing about.
Rawls was the real deal before his injury and Cable’s hubris ruined everything. You cant take that away from him.
There was a lot of hubris in that coaching staff.
Thomas Rawls and Tom Cable created that production together
And how many RB’s and OL did Cable burn through, unable to get any of them to play at a Pro Bowl level, and only Britt to play well? And that took him three years and as many positions.
Cable sucked, and the best thing that happened to us since we lost the SB is Carroll finally reaching the end of his rope and firing that has-been.
Rawls is a bonehead, but he can still run. He may never get back to where he was pre-ankle, but he wasnt the problem.
Please, enough of the Cable talk. It was bad enough when he was here. It’s time to move on.
I don’t think Kelly compares to Rawls. Rawls’ problem, in addition to health, is decision making. Kelly doesn’t show that at all. Kelly has three main strengths (IMO): quick and balanced feet, great balance, and incredible determination. Those were Lynch’s best qualities too. Not saying he’ll be Marshawn – they are obviously different backs. But I think those traits will serve him very well in the NFL. I really think Kelly is going to be a star, even if he only ends up getting 10-22 carries a game. He is a decent blocker and is dangerous as a target out of the backfield.
+1
John Kelly is the dude! If he goes day 3 as projected, he is going to be a steal.
If ET doesn’t get traded today, I wonder if it will happen at all.
Rob: What is your last pre draft article going to be? Final mock?
Not Rob, but we won’t know whether ET has been traded until Dallas picks in Rd 2. That’s when they’d make that announcement. From what Pete said in an interview with Softy last week, I doubt there’s been a trade. He was pretty firm about the fact that Earl is a Seahawk and plans for 2018 include him.
Couple of random thoughts:
Sports radio has gone to the dogs. ESPN had Dan lebetard (or however you spell that) on for 15 mins talking the song “The Devils came Down to Georgia” and Dan patrick was on the other station (Fox sports?) talking in a “velvety soft voice” about his time as a late night DJ. It’s the day before the edging draft along with NBA and NHL playoffs! Are you kidding me?!?
I realize they won’t sign until after (or during?) the draft, but I’m intrigued bu dez and CJA as players to sign. Dez would give the Hawks the redzone option vacated by JFG, and CJA would be a nicer hedge to me than Ballage if they miss out on the top tier RBs. Next year will have a nice RB class when we are more ready to compete for a championship.
The problem is those guys love to hear themselves talk, and their ego’s are elephantine. I’d rather come here and read some of the other guys like me who tend to blowhard lol!
Well, you aren’t missing anything on local Seattle radio. 950 KRJ just had a guest on who said the Browns should take Saquon at #1 and then Nelson at #4 as they are the only can’t miss prospects (guess they don’t need a QB). He then said he wouldn’t draft Baker Mayfield because his ‘character’ is terrible, but LOVES Josh Rosen.
Had to turn look the FM dial, as the only other channels were talking M’s baseball. In a cosmic bit of irony, I ended up finding The Charlie Daniels Band on another station playing The Devil went down to Georgia. It really is a great song 🙂
I woudlnt draft Mayfield either. And I see some merit to taking Barkley and Nelson, but you’d have to trade back from pick 1 to justify that, and Browns fans would freak to see the team pass by another shot at a top qb prospect. Still, you dont have a Wentz this year. And Wentz was a different player than Allen. The only way Browns can pass up a qb high is if they trade down and also land some high picks next year, so they have a shot at having the trade capital to get a high enough pick to land a top qb next year.
But yeah, I think they take a qb this year as well, and with one of their top 2 picks. Im betting Darnold.
You mean a Goff? Wentz wasn’t even the first QB in that draft. Most were pretty split on who should go #1 which seems a lot like this year.
I think the irony of taking Mayfield completely off a board, while praising Rosen ad nauseum was what rubbed me wrong. They both have off-field stuff.
I agree Darnold is the safe pick and the likely pick.
I love Saquon and think he’s the best RB prospect I’ve seen in a long time. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see him fall out of the top 5. I think all 4 QB’s end up going 1-4.
Cleveland would be better off taking QB at #1 and then trading down with #4 than taking RB/G and then trying to trade back up for a QB… although that would be a very Cleveland thing to do. It would probably cost them multiple 1st/2nd rounders in future drafts. Even the Browns can’t be that crazy, right?
To compare Baker Mayfield’s red flags (which are on the field too (hit Delanie Walket in the head with a football, Mayfield..)) to Josh Rosen being kind of sort of big mouthed and opinionated is just so far from the mark.
Baker Mayfield ran from the police.
Josh Rosen didnt even really do one thing that even deserves a red flag.
It’s something to mention with Rosen, but it’s something you really have to decide on with Mayfield.
Because I believe he can eat the humble pie and become a pro, I havent taken Mayfield off my board. He’s smart and talented, but he’s not a pro-ready character like Josh Allen clearly is.
I don’t know. I guess.
They have different issues, but they are issues nonetheless. Mayfield is immature and can come across as a total punk. Rosen seems to care more about himself and using football as his platform to aim the spotlight in his direction.
Maybe you think Mayfield’s transgressions are egregious and warrant concern, while Rosen is just misunderstood.
Personally, I don’t care too much about either one, as they won’t be on my team. I’ve spent more time watching tape of PJ Hall than in reading about any of the top 4 QB’s put together, so maybe I’m off the mark.
What about Valdes-Scantling WR USF for a late round prospect?
6/4 206 lbs and runs a 4.37?!! Here’s more info on him:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/marquez-valdes-scantling?id=32462018-0002-5602-295b-f22af0b559c5
Sounds like a weapon to me!
Go Hawks!!
I fell for him for a while, ended up liking VMAC visitor Keith Kirkwood more.
He’ll be on some boards. He isn’t polished (route running) but that size/speed combo is what teams look for in a later round flyer. I watched an interview with him a while back and noted that he seemed well spoken and confident too.
So who is everyone’s guy in this draft? Last year was interesting in that everyone here seemed to have a different player dubbed “their guy”. I was a Garret Bolles guy, others here were rooting for Kevin King, TJ Watt, etc.
I don’t know if I really have a single player in this draft that I am rooting for the hawks drafting. I’m more interested in just seeing what happens, but if i had to choose a player to dub as “my guy”,I’d go with Nick Chubb, and just wanted to see if all of you had that one player that you are rooting for the Hawks to draft
+1 Chubb
Isaiah Wynn
Feel like he’s exactly what we need up front.
+1
Nick Chubb.
Chubbs
Isaiah Oliver. I can’t stop imagining not trading Earl then snagging Oliver. LOB 2.0 with some really nice speed length and depth. Would let ET roam the back end.
A bit more realistic (unless they get huge compensation for a trade down) is Kerryon, just trust his dedication (similar to Chubb who i think is awesome) and feel like pairing him with Wilson would make for one major head ache. To me he is like Sony Michel but with better moves in space, vision, power and pass blocking, it would make an incredibly difficult offense to stop when paired with Wilson.
Chubb is exactly what we need in terms of physicality and character, but that acl bothers me. Of course, it’s worked out for Gurley alright after his acl. A close second is Hernandez. Seems like the kind of mauler inside that we need in a Solari system.
He’s had 2 productive years since acl with no setbacks and no time missed. I do understand the concern, though.
2016: 13 games/1130 yds/5.0 ypc/8 TD
2017: 15 games/1345 yds/6.0 ypc/15 TD
Hell, Seattle is only going to pay a back two contracts at most, so Chubbs injuries dont concern me as much. He showed this year he is past the injury and still a badass player and athlete, at least to me.
That’s so sexy.
And that’s splitting carries with Michel…
Griffin. He has Irvin speed but is strong and has the pass rush knack. And he’s just a great kid.
My wish well! Shaquem Griffen is the player I hope we draft the most! Him and that one UW Reciever what’s his name, Dante something?
Go Draft
Go Hawks!
Griffin
TJ Watt
*cue music
Let it go… let it goooo….
Nick Chubb, who then loves Seattle so much he convinces his cousin Bradley to join the Seahawks in 2022.
Mo Hurst!
Long live the one-man bandwagon!
I’ll pile on. I like Hurst.
Woohoo! Long live the 2-man bandwagon!
Chubb and Wynn and I would have a chub.
Griffin!
Its Nick Chubb for me. he screams Seahawk with his athletic profile and the ability to pound the ball between the tackles.
Chubb – either one! Would like Bradley or Nick.
Chubb @25-35. I don’t think you fix the run game without one of the big 3. Any of the lesser backs just feels like a shot in the dark.
Big 3? Chubb, Freeman, and…?
jones, cbubb, johnson
jones, chubb, johnson
Leighton Vander Esch
Derrick Nnadi. Just have a feeling about that kid….
If you do any scouting today, find interviews of your favorite guys and decide for yourself if he’s sparky and competitive enough to not back down against our pro bowlers (think Germain Ifedi fighting everybody)
Billy Price is amazingly well-spoken. Thoughtful football player.
Were it not for Duane Brown, Price seems like a guy that would step into the online room and immediately take charge of it. I admire that he didn’t slink away from the combine after his pec injury, but stayed to fulfill media obligations and answer questions about his injury.
O-line room. Toughness, leadership, etc. he probably won’t last very far into rd 2 because teams know he is a first round talent.
He would transform the culture of the team from fake tough guys to real tough guys.
Ifedi seemed to have lost that fire by last year though. He seemed mentally beaten to me. Cant count the number of times I watched him in one on one situations with a pass rusher, and you could see his desperation and hesitancy as he backpedaled–heck, you could see it on his face he was sure he was gonna screw up. And thats a self-fulfilling prophecy…Hopefully Solari can get the fire back in him and make something of the kid.
I think all the guys in Robs last two mocks can come in and go toe to toe. Well, not sure about Ballage. I’d love to see Corbett or Price a Seahawk, and Chubb. Kirk, Sutton, Moore, Ridley for WR’s….Shaqem Griffin for sure!
Rasheem Greene, Hurst, Davenport, even Dante Pettis lol! Lots of guys in this draft who seem to want it bad.
Totally agree on Ifedi. I saw it too. He’s so scared on the edge that he’s going to get beat around the edge. And that worry plagues the rest of his game with things like forgetting the snap count, forgetting the play call. Solari needs to instill confidence back into him and maybe simplify his responsibilities. The fastest way I can see to do that would be to move him back inside. Inside he doesn’t have to worry about his speed being an issue, and with this kid size and strength are never an issue. If this year is a repeat of last year, I’ll be writing him off as a wasted pick.
I disagree.
A little bit of a stretch to say he lost his fire because of the way you read his body language.
And Mark. You couldnt know that he forgot the play or snap count!
It’s totally bad for one as a scout to assume they know what happened in the huddle or what is in a player’s head.
Those are some things we will likely never know.
You guys are just wrong about a guy you’ve probably never met. I’d never suggest you didn’t do your research, but it seems like you’re just unfamiliar with the actual person and more into the narrative around him
He did have 9 false starts last year, which was far and away tops in the league. He was also the most penalized OL in the NFL with 16 penalties (plus 3 more that were declined).
http://www.nflpenalties.com/player/g-ifedi-seattle-seahawks?year=2017
He had more false starts than the rest of the team combined. Whether that’s forgetting the snap count or something else, those are mental mistakes. It would be good to see him get those penalties cleaned up. I still have a lot of hope for him.
I think he’s just too explosive off the snap.
I wrote about it predraft minths before we took him
‘Hell be penalized because he has a tendency to lean and explode off the ball’
You can’t be serious Kenny! You rag on others and accuse them of “not doing research”, then insist Ifedi’s league high penalties were caused not by fouls, but by athleticism and technique?! Give me a break! He flat jumped off sides way too often last season, and held. He was simply terrible, and the eye test and analytical sites agree.
Why so touchy about him? I doubt he needs an apologist;what he needs is to not suck.
He had one of the worst guards continually loosing his position on his side. He produced false starts against top edge rushers, where his footwork proved to be an issue.
Pushing him back I line will fix him. I bet, if we do, we talk about an all pro in two years time. He should never have been pushed outside.
Btw, the second most penalized player seems to be Cam Robinson. The dude still had hell’uva year at Jax.
Lot easier to have a hell of a year when your running back is good, you know how you want to play, you tailor the offense to make life as easy as possible for the QB and you have a great defense.
And when the rest of the line moves and he doesn’t – you know he forgot the snap count. Or when the entire line charges left on a run and he fires out to the right on his own, you know he misheard or forgot what the play was. There are very visible signs that make it clear.
And when Pocic picks up the DE perfectly on a stunt and finds he’s double teaming the guy with Ifedi because Ifedi didn’t pick up the stunting tackle who is now running free at Wilson, you know he has issues with responsibilities in non-typical rushes. Much of the time he looks like a lost puppy on the freeway.
This is a new line coach so he gets a fresh start. Maybe he’ll finally rise to the challenge. One thing I’d like to see, this is his third year, no more coddling. He has to earn his spot on the roster and a spot as a starter. If someone can beat him out in a fair competition, he goes to the bench. In camp if he grades out as the 9th best lineman and we’re keeping 8, he should be cut.
I’m tired of him being handed a starting job based on how dominant he looks and where we drafted him. I’m tired of plays breaking down while we hope the light will come on.
Pete preaches “always compete,” but sometimes it just doesn’t happen.I would like to see a true open competition for the RT and RG positions between Fluker, Pocic, Ifedi, Fant and Odiombo, and let the cards fall where they may. Like I said earlier, I think Ifedi could be a dominant mauler at guard. I don’t know that he’ll ever be a tackle.
I remember last years draft, when I had resigned myself to Seattle probably passing on Kevin King and taking McDowell. What shocked me was that almost no one they picked had been on my radar, except possibly Amara Darboh (I seem to recall Rob mentioning him early in the process as a guy they could be after if they didnt want to spend what it took to get his teammate Chesson). So many players us armchair draft geeks had figured should be on their list were available and Seattle looked elsewhere…
Jury still out on that one, though its obvious already that any of the guys we liked that went after McDowell would have been a better choice!
I just pray they dont get cute and pass on all the best guys at need positions to take a hedge player later that fails–you know, like they’ve done consistently since 2012! Still, its exciting to see what Seattle does to gain more picks, and if they can nab Griffen, etc!
Thanks again to Rob and everyone else who make this blog possible. I have many opinions that differ from the mean here at Seahawksdraftblog, and thanks to those who disagree and are respectful, its appreciated.
I have similar nervousness given what happened last year. My upside this year is all the “all football” talk and the discussions about a minimized big board that excludes more concerns.
That isn’t 100% assurance, but I’ll take what I can get.
Go Seahawks . . . Kill that draft.
Well said. Cheers to avoiding the mean!
Justin Watson WR Penn; for your consideration.
https://youtu.be/3kBD8Zp6Vmo
https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings/wide-receiver/
https://youtu.be/bcRHOGLnQb8
Wow, 6’3″ 215, built like a god. Loved the videos. Runs in the low 4.4s, 20 reps at 225 lb, with a 40″ vert. Very good hands, good routes, and quick out of breaks. Gets of the line well against press coverage with a quick juke. The only thing I’m not seeing is strong use of hands. He should be able to physically dominate DBs the way Anquan Boldin did. He’s much bigger and stronger than they are. I’d like to see him be more physical and use his hands more to get separation. But that is a skill that can be taught. He has everything else and will make a good pro.
Rob, apologies if you dont like links to PFT and The Florio, but this post is worth reading;
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/25/josh-rosen-is-an-alpha-and-that-dude/
Ive been prepared to NOT like Josh Rosen. One of the first things to tilt my opinion firmly in his camp though was Jim Mora throwing him under the bus. Mora is an utter turd, the guy who once used the term “accountability” in a post-loss press conference 57 times, and always towards his players but never towards himself or his incompetent coaches. He has the midas touch in reverse.
The next thing I saw that I liked (aside from his play) was his admission that the negative things said about him hurt. His humanity showed through, without him coming across as weak or anything.
But this post has quotes from Rosen talking about locker room leadership as a rookie, and his intelligence, maturity, and personality show well. Check it out. Its worth a read!
Now, Im certainly no expert on talent eval, but if Im a GM needing a qb, comparing how Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Mayfield, etc handle themselves in interviews, Darnold and Rosen are clearly a class above the rest. Doesnt mean Mayfield and Allen and Jackson wont be fine qb’s, but if Im making the call, Rosen and Darnold are the top 2, and the rest all have major questions. I wouldnt draft Mayfield, period, but I’d consider Jackson and Allen for sure.
@fishsports
ALERT – Source close to Earl Thomas situation tells me #Cowboys & Seattle have NOT during this week yet visited re trade ideas. A Game of ( #Seahawks ) Chicken?
That’s exactly what’s happening. A game of chicken. And having gone this far, both sides won’t be in the mood to cede now. This looks like going down to the wire.
If it’s a game of chicken, then I like the side we’re on, where if no one blinks, we get to keep ET. I’m one of those who support moving him to get value while we can, but if no one wants to offer fair trade, Earl still has value and I would rather keep him than give him away for too little.
It could happen Thursday night after 1st round. This is going to be a huge draft for lots of teams, exciting draft, crazy trades etc..
I still think a trade happens. Right now Seattle without any change has enough cap space to sign the draft class but not enough for practice squad and money set aside for injuries. I really think this trade goes down but most won’t like the results. A 50 and 116 is the best I think Dallas will offer and I believe we will take it.
I don’t think money is an issue. If the Hawks need to clear cap space Avril will be cut.
He still needs to do a physical if he checks out it will cost money on his contract even if they release him.
Sadly, I also think Seattle will trade him. I think Earls weird behavior after we beat Dallas was his Walking Papers. I also think Seattle takes what they can get, as long as that includes one second round pick.
The thing to watch is which players fall. If there are more than a small handful of players Seattle is likely interested in available after our likely trade down, then an Earl trade is even more likely. Meanwhile, Dallas will be trying to play hardball, despite Jerry and Kris Richard, who you know is doing everything he can to bring Earl to Dallas. But Jerry doesnt really call the shots anymore, so its likely Seattle wont get what they should for him.
I am still holding out hope another team jumps in last minute, perhaps a team that wants a qb? They could trade a second and third and a lower first and something else for Earl and our first, for instance. Not likely, I know…
Hard to believe there isnt another team out there willing to beat Dallas offer.
I hate Dallas, and Earls behavior has irritated me to the point that I sincerely hope Seattle keeps him, tags his ass next year, and trades his butt to a crappy AFC team.
Jerry is a tough ol bird!
I’m still hoping for the (admittedly crazy) Redskins scenario with the ‘Hawks swapping first round picks and receiving 44 from Washington. Vea at 13 (obviously contingent on him still being there) then trade back from 44 with Buffalo for 56 (RB or WR) and 96 (Griffin)
+ 12 a dawn can dream. Love Griffin
mock, mock, mock, the mock, the MOCK, where’s THE MOCK?! I’m fiending!
Won’t be posted until around 6-7pm PST
So you’re telling me to start refreshing at 2pm PT?
I bet Rob doesn’t have a trade back and has the hawks selecting Josh Jackson. J/K.
They stop a Josh Allen fall.
And you wondered why they went to his pro day
Haha, exaaaaactly…
Lol, awesome.
On Ballage by evan hill:
Source told me Pete had discussions with his coaches and doesn’t believe he can mentally make it in the NFL — but loves him as a physical specimen
Not buying this. It wouldnt come out unless Seattle wanted it to. Still think they take him (barf!).
I hope that’s true. And that’s the purpose of a lot of visits – to get a feel for who these guys are and whether you can help them get better.
Nothing I’ve seen from Ballage says he can make it in the NFL.
I am really looking forward to seeing what the Hawks do in the 5th round. It seems like a lot of guys will be available that can contribute.
+1
+ 4 – fifth rounders!
Unless we trade three of them to move up in the daft then it would be,
+ 1.
Oh wait,
Thumbs up, + 1, I agree and am also excited about the possibilities from round #5.
Thanks to Kenny for re-posting my TEF list above and to Peter for making me realize I was missing some guys (my apologies for the Excel fail…).
Here’s the full list of qualifiers then (+3.0 TEF or +90 wTEF), once again with some arm length exceptions (*) for notable players or bigtime TEF scorers.
1. Braden Smith, Auburn, 6062, 315, 116 SPARQ, 32.25* arm, 3.52 TEF, 110.99 wTEF
2. Korey Cunningham, Cincinnati, 6053, 311, 133.7 SPARQ, 32.25* arm, 3.48 TEF, 108.36 wTEF
3. Kolton Miller, UCLA, 6085, 309, 136 SPARQ, 34.125 arm, 3.31 TEF, 102.28 wTEF
4. Frank Ragnow, Arkansas, 6051, 312, 118.9 SPARQ, 33.125 arm, 3.29 TEF, 102.55 wTEF
5. Gerhard de Beer, Arizona, 6064, 312, 110.2 SPARQ, 34.125 arm, 3.28 TEF, 102.34 wTEF
6. David Steinmetz, Purdue, 6074, 321, 108.3 SPARQ, 34.25 arm, 3.23 TEF, 103.8 wTEF
7. Wyatt Teller, Virginia Tech, 6044, 314, 109.6 SPARQ, 34 arm, 3.22 TEF, 101.19 wTEF
8. Brant Weiss, Toledo, 6060, 297, 96.8 SPARQ, 34 arm, 3.21 TEF, 95.46 wTEF
9. Connor Williams, Texas, 6051, 296, 114.6 SPARQ, 33 arm, 3.17 TEF, 93.95 wTEF
10. Jashon Robertson, Tennessee, 6024, 292, 107.6 SPARQ, 33.25 arm, 3.16 TEF, 92.32 wTEF
11.Matt Gono, Wesley, 6040, 316, 112.1 SPARQ, 34.375 arm, 3.14 TEF, 99.13 wTEF
12. Will Hernandez, UTEP, 6023, 327, 107.7 SPARQ, 32* arm, 3.14 TEF, 102.53 wTEF
13. Dejon Allen, Hawaii, 6020, 295, 110.8 SPARQ, 32.625* arm, 3.08 TEF, 91 wTEF
14. Quenton Nelson, Notre Dame, 6050, 325, N/A SPARQ, 33.75 arm, 3.07 TEF, 99.78 wTEF
15. Christian DiLauro, Illinois, 6054, 300, 107 SPARQ, 33.375 arm, 3.04 TEF, 91.32 wTEF
16. Cole Boozer, Temple, 6052, 300, 104.4 SPARQ, 33.875 arm, 3.04 TEF, 91.34 wTEF
17. Beau Nunn, Appalachian State, 6034, 304, 100.2 SPARQ, 33 arm, 3.01 TEF, 91.52 wTEF
18. Skyler Phillips, Idaho State, 6026, 318, 103.6 SPARQ, 33 arm, 2.98 TEF, 94.69 wTEF
19. Alex Light, Richmond, 6052, 309, 100.9 SPARQ, 33.25 arm, 2.91 TEF, 90.06 wTEF
20. Toby Weathersby, LSU, 6043. 317, 91.9 SPARQ, 33.25 arm, 2.85 TEF, 90.42 wTEF
21. Garrison Wright, Minnesota, 6037, 323, 84.4 SPARQ, 34.25 arm, 2.80 TEF, 90.44 wTEF
TEF qualifiers eliminated for arm length (sorry, I’m not taking time to format nicely)
Patrick Morris, TCU, 6023 ,300 ,128.2 ,31.25 ,3.79 ,113.61
Evan Brown, SMU, 6024 ,302 ,117.7 ,32.5 ,3.64 ,109.97
Tejan Koroma BYU, 6001 ,298 ,104.9 ,31.25 ,3.35 ,99.69
Michael Henderman, Liberty ,6026 ,298 ,114.9 ,32.625 ,3.34 ,99.45
Adam Ploudre, ,Missouri ,6032 ,307 ,104.2 ,31.625 ,3.19 ,97.82
Austin Pratt ,Texas-San Antonio ,6012 ,292 ,96 ,32.25 ,3.19 ,93.15
Trey Martin ,Rice ,6011 ,298 ,91.5 ,32.75 ,3.19 ,94.99
Austin Schlottman ,TCU ,6052 ,296 ,111.7 ,32.25 ,3.15 ,93.33
Jacob Ohnesorge ,South Dakota State ,6022 ,294 ,103.7 ,30.75 ,3.13 ,91.93
Dylan Cline ,Jacksonville State ,6032 ,288 ,98.5 ,31.125 ,3.12 ,89.8
Scott Quessenberry ,UCLA ,6035 ,310 ,117 ,31.75 ,3.09 ,95.86
David Niehaus ,Cincinnati ,6015 ,293 ,87.7 ,31.125 ,3.03 ,88.81
Tuni Kanuch, BYU, 6017, 306, 104.9, 29.875, 2.99, 91.37
Jovann Letuli ,Akron ,6032 ,340 ,107 ,31.25 ,2.98 ,101.24
Will House ,Southern Nazarene ,6027 ,314 ,97.8 ,32.125 ,2.95 ,92.66
Rick Leonard ,Florida State ,6070 ,311 ,32.25 ,2.91 ,90.59
Notables close to TEF/wTEF
Austin Golson, Auburn, 6046, 304, 100.9 SPARQ, 32.25 arm, 2.95 TEF, 89.57 wTEF
Colby Gossett, Appalachian State ,6047 ,311 ,92.5 ,33.875 ,2.86 ,88.89
Brandon Parker, North Carolina A&T ,6075 ,305 ,103.1 ,35 ,2.84 ,86.73
Martinas Rankin ,Mississippi State ,6043 ,308 ,33.75 ,2.82 ,86.99
Brian O’Neill ,Pittsburgh ,6067 ,297 ,117.9 ,34.125 ,2.74 ,81.38
Mike McGlinchey ,Notre Dame ,6077 ,309 ,34 ,2.73 ,84.27
Seahawks interest
Austin Corbett ,Nevada ,6043 ,306 ,100 ,33.125 ,2.55 ,78.07
Uh oh…
Brett Toth Army ,6056 ,291 ,90.1 ,33.375 ,2.27 ,65.93
WOW! Thank you so much. You’re a gem.
Gorgeous
Braden. Smith would be a great target for the early third. Tall, explosive, finishes blocks. Really inconsistent and a bit of a tweener in our scheme.
Franky!!!!
Korey Cunningham was a big part of what they’ve been putting together in Cinci. Lots of hitters in that region and he seemed really smart on film
Kolton Miller should leave the board right after we trade down.
Is Gerhard De Beer the South African? (Yes he is). That rushing attack was lethal don’t count him out.
Dave Steinmetz graduate transferred from Rhode Island to purdue and played RT along with some other transfers on that line. Very athletic, but really mediocre to bad tape. Project.
Wyatt Teller will probably go higher than most are hoping. Consistent and tough solid solid guy that should lock down a spot. Won’t last.
Brant Weiss OT Toledo all conference 1st team. Part of an elite offense at that level. Early Graduate but only started 19 games
Connor Williams has some real bad core strength issues, but tackles like him get overdrafted every year. He’s tough enough to make it work at the next level. Is he a cornerstone LT, if not, where can you really use him? Backups don’t go till day 3 imo
Jashon Robertson played LG RG and a little Center after switching from DL in just three practices. Only the fourth freshman OL to start opener for Tenn EVER (juwuan James was the last previous). Very good workout. Started 38 consecutive until a concussion.
Will Hernandez my favorite OL to come out since Ifedi. Physical, big as you like, but a great mover and an excellent interview with smarts amd charisma. First round grade.
Dejon Allen started at RG LG and OT. Started 49 games on OL. 2x team offensive mvp… At Hawaii?!?!? Wooow. They must have a ton of respect for this kid there. Wpuld love a player like this in the sixth.
Christian DiLauro illinois T/G good workout Dad and uncle played at Toledo. Broke a 31 game start streak by starting in only 7 this year. Has played RT and RG
Cole Boozer former TE. Debuted at RT against Notre Dame the year before. Only offensive player to start every game…
Austin Golson played in 50 career games 12 at Ole Miss, started 38 at Auburn. Played LT, LG, C, RT. So basically everywhere but Braden Smith. Big time recruit and an SEC mainstay
Alex Light future guard. Blocked for the talented Kyle Lauletta at richmond and has a big chip on his shoulder after being told several times he wasn’t any good.
Patrick Morris TCU C/G, Joey Hunt heir (no not his hair) held Harrison Phillips of Stanford to just three tackles in their bowl game. Definitely TEF. 3x allconference for academics. Big time freak athlete. He’s the latest strongman to come through the Horned Frogs program. Morris has a 500-pound bench, a 720-pound squat and cleans 450. “We always stop whatever we’re doing when he’s about to lift,” said TCU senior DE Josh Carraway
Skyler Phillips ISU G 3rd team all american by ap. Not TEF, but probably going higher than you think. Maybe 5th.
Billy Price BILLY
Scott Quessenberry squat Center. Played some guard. NFL bloodlines. 2x all conference, short arms but TEF.
Frank Ragnow FRANKY
Coleman Shelton udfa type at center. Decent workout. 3x all conference
Brian O’Neill fast, is he explosive. Something aboht a former TE running 4.8 staves my impression.
Brandon Parker 3x conference lineman of the year and 2x black national championship for North Carolina AT in the 3 years he led their OL. Definitely deserves another look. Not TEF
Timon Parris OT started 41 games, missed the final 5 with a broken leg = no workout numbers.
Gregory Senat wagner OT former basketball player. More athletic than he tested. Raw.
Brett Toth not TEF and service bound.
Here are my quick-by notes from your first list.
sea mode and kenny awesome stuff. really cool list and notes.
Braden Smith has been my favorite pick for the better part of the last 4 months, and Kerryon is my favorite RB. Plus Jeff Holland is a credible DE/LB hybrid. Say, Kerryon late R2, Smith R3 and Holland R5, and we got “auburnized”.
Dejon Allen was my sleeper late rounder, depth pick at LT.
Nunn seems to be a hard-working small school wonder. No chance guys with work ethic are always appreciated, happen to smell another udfa goes rogue story…
Thanks SeaMode!
With all the Day #3 picks the Hawks have I wonder if they take a flier on Toth even though he has service time left. Might be worth it as a project given that athletic profile and the looked good during the All Star game practices.
Um, my point of including him at the bottom was actually more to show that we probably won’t be that interested. That is not next-level athleticism.
My bad I thought it said 3.27 tef. Can cross him off I guess.
The board is set up well to go iOL, WR, RB early. It would be cool if we could address all 3 positions with players in tier 4. Not very likely without an Earl trade, which is looking less likely. My dream is to get one of each:
Wynn, Price, Corbett
Moore, Kirk, Miller
Rojo, Chubb
3 impact players to boost Wilson’s offense. Day 3 add speed and hunger to the defense and a TE.
Great handle! I agree, would be awesome to get 1 of each of those guys at those positions, but its pie in the sky unless a) we trade Earl, and b) we get darned lucky. But thats a nice dream!
That would be sweet and certainly go a long way toward having a top 10 offense that is balanced.
Wynn, Kirk, Rojo would be a fantasy land draft for me.
I will be so glad when the Earl Trade Saga is over. I personally hope to move Earl to anyone but Dallas.
As it stands I think it depends on 2 things.
#1 If James or Fitzpatrick fall to #19 for Jerry and then he can address WR in Rd #2.
#2 If JS Can trade down once or twice in Rd #1 and pick up some draft capital on Day #2. if he does I don’t think he budges.
I am still amazed the Jags or SD have not stepped up with an offer. Earl on either of those defenses would be sick.
I place probability of an ET trade at 25%
Agree that Earl would be fantastic on that Jags defense, and definitely worth pick 29! Same thing to a lesser extent for the Chargers, but they aren’t quite as good overall as Jax. They wouldn’t offer up pick 18 either.
Will be interesting to see what happens, but I also hope Dallas and low ballin Jerry miss out!!
I meant their pick 17!!
I wonder if Earl has said he would only consider signing an extension with Dallas which is why we are not hearing any noise about other teams. Reminds me of Griffey and Cincinnati 20 years ago.
Could be the case and if he is actually doing that JS should franchise tag him the next two year then let him walk when he is 31.
That would certainly be tough to overcome, but also leaves him with very little leverage for a new contract. We can just have him play out this year, franchise him next year, and then let him walk when his value is lower and his talent is fading!
Cleveland
Rob, since Seattle will be running an Air Coryell type offense as opposed to the WCO variants they’ve run since Holmy got here, do you think they change what they look for in a WR some? As in, perhaps they are actually looking for more big/tall/fast guys, perhaps more physical specimens and less finesse? Might they be more willing to look at guys who are less polished but have rare physical traits (ie, 6′-2″ tall plus, 220 lbs or more, 4.5 40 and below)?
Or do you think they still go after the same kinds of guys they always have under Carrol? They seemed to have types when Bevell was here–5-11”, 190-210 lbs 4.4-4.5 for FL, 6-6′-2″ 210 lbs for SE, SPEED for the slot….I was always frustrated they kept drafting only guys under 220 for tall guys….it seems to me WR’s who are over 6′-1″ and under 220 in the NFL dont hold up…
Kind of surprised Seattle isnt apparently interested in a pass catching TE who can block ok, Ozzie Newsome/Kellen Winslow Sr types…but that may be to lack of such a beast in the Draft.
I watched Coryell offenses as a little kid, but I never studied them or read about what body types of WR’s fit…
For Air Coryell to work you need at least two outside receivers that can stretch the field and adjust to the ball e.g. D.J. Chark. You also need as you pointed out a pretty decent TE.
I guess that could mean Seattle may not be so enamored of Kirk, and have a bit more interest than shown for Moore, Chark, Kirkwood etc.
According to Tom Pelissero anonymous source says ‘Mark my words… Lamar Jackson won’t succeed at QB. When he throws, he hopes.’
Literally can not mark your words. Your anonymous.
I would say that is a blatant attempt by some team thats in good with the league to cause Jackson to slide to them. What jerks! He’s gonna be a good player–as long as he lands in a place where they have coaches young enough to adapt their scheme to suit him. He’s not going to succeed if he’s taken by an old-school NFLer who will try to pound a square peg into a round hole.
If Seattle could land him in the second, and trade Earl for a second and third, I’d be fine with them drafting him as RW’s backup. RW could use someone breathing down his neck a bit to help nudge the growth he needs to get him over the hump to Elite HOF qb. He’s go the talent, but he still has things to work on–things Im not sure RW is willing to admit at the moment.
I just hope its not NE
LOL
Tom who????
Thank you again for all the work you do Rob! You make this such an exciting time of year.
Here comes one last mock from me, heavily influenced by this blog of course. This would be an awesome draft class! I realize I may have gone over board with the trades, but who cares.. Green and Turay would take the role of Bennett and Avril. Kirk would contribute right of the bat, both on offense and on ST. Griffin is obvious and Avery would give some much needed debth at LB. I see Moore as a future starter at FS. Brown would compete with Coleman, and Holton would compete on the outside. I love to watch Kelly run! Adams is solid, if unspectacular, but good debth/competition. Dissly and Hill will be important in blocking, and Allen has a lot of upside. Hopefully he can develope on the practice squad this year.
ET –> 2.18, 4.37 (Cowboys)
1.18 –> 2.1, 2.32, 5.13 (Browns)
2.1 –> 2.9, 4.10 (Raiders)
2.9: WR Christian Kirk
2.18: DT Rasheem Green
2.32: DE Kemoko Turay
4.10: LB Shaquem Griffin
4.20: S Tarvarius Moore
4.37: LB Genard Avery
5.4: RB John Kelly
5.9: CB Holton Hill
5.13: TE Will Dissly
5.19: OL Tony Adams
5.31: CB Tony Brown
7.8: QB Kyle Allen
7.30: FB Khalid Hill
Nice draft if it worked out that way. I really like Moore at FS and under rated guy who has starter potential IMO. Has elite speed and range which shows on tape. He would be a Rd #2 guy if he played for a power school.
It was a Peter King column that included the quote that teams would take lower to trade down. I mentioned it the other day but didn’t remember the source:
“This is not your typical draft,” said one veteran club official Sunday. “The second, third and even fourth rounds are gold. You can take less than the trade-value chart says and still make a very good trade if you get multiple picks in those rounds.”
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It will never happen but IMO Cleveland should draft two quarterbacks at 1 and 4. I emphasized that several months ago on a Dolphins forum, as soon as the season ended. Only in the past few days have I seen it speculated elsewhere.
The value of an elite quarterback is so high the other positions don’t really matter in comparison. That’s why you have to give yourself two swings instead of one, in a situation like this. Don’t worry about the nationwide ridicule or the theoretical value of a special player at a non-quarterback position. That is not nearly as high as conventional wisdom allows. The Cleveland draft will be remembered and evaluated based on how the quarterback fares, whether it’s one of them or two.
Obviously there is trade potential if both click. And you don’t worry about stupidity like not being able to give both of them sufficient reps. One guy will stand out and separate.
I wouldn’t go that route if one prospect stood far above, like an Andrew Luck, But in a hazy situation like this it is the only astute path.
If their scouting is so bad they can’t figure out which one is the right one, then I’m not at all sure taking two helps. They’d be better off taking another in round 3 or 4 like the Redskins did when the got Griffin & Cousins.
“But in a hazy situation like this it is the only astute path.”
No. It’s not.
To quote Les Claylool, “It’s just a matter of opinion”
Another thought is if you draft a Quarterback at #1 and #4 then a team might get “Desperate” and give Cleveland more then they initially intended to if you draft the QB they were wanting.
So you may think that would mess up the draft for the Browns by not addressing two needs with picks 1 and 4. However they could ask for an above average player for immediate compensation and draft picks next year.
That was a very intriguing concept Awsi! I always want to contimplate Inside and Outside the Circle, instead of just outside the box. Unless the focus is Run Support then Inside the Box is best suited!
I can see that as an option if another team really badly wants that player you drafted at #4.
I wouldn’t put any stock into Peter King’s annalists.
Patrick Morris with an insane sparq for OL
Nothing would make my weekend more than Seattle picking another Griffin.
Agreed. And #24 regretted it. Worried about buffalo grabbing him in 3rd. Hope we don’t wait too long
Isaih Oliver is our man after trading down by Tony Pauline.
We’ve reported multiple times the Seattle Seahawks will look to trade down from the 18th slot and if that happens Isaiah Oliver will be on the team’s list of targets. The Seahawks have spent a tremendous amount of time with Oliver in the lead up to the draft and they like long corners who can run. Oliver and Carlton Davis of Auburn both fill the prescription, though I’ve not heard any recent first round chatter on Davis. We stated numerous times if they can’t trade back the Seahawks are likely to take a defensive end or cornerback in the first round. It’s not out of the question they select Oliver in round one if a player like Marcus Davenport is no longer available to them.
hope not. its the area where pc has been absolutely the strongest in his tenure. with so many needs to go corner early? i don’t know how that wins you games versus a ball control offense.
but seattle was terrible at third and long last year and oliver looks very good. i wont hate the pick just hoping another direction.
I beg to differ, whilst I have faith in PC to develop another late rounder. I really think Oliver has something special and is tailor made for our scheme.
When i first started paying attention to him, post Brett Kollman’s video, i thought “looks great but Seattle wont do it” but now that it seems Seattle is interested Im feeling hopeful, he and Griffin could be the best pair we’ve had in a couple years.
hows that replace all the aerial tds or create a running game? i like him. though not more than maybe 5 dbs last year that they passed on.
now the team needs to make up tds, bennetts sacks, never got back avrils sacks, and needs more than one td on the ground.
he looks very good but for me, this year, im just not into it0
Bottom line is the Seahawks have too many needs for their small number of draft picks.
Maybe TP is “smokescreening” this tidbit for us.
I’d be down with that. Griffin, Oliver, and Coleman in the slot is nasty.
I love Oliver. The best CB in this class….
Isaiah Oliver? I’m on board. I know we’ve had success with late-round CBs, but if they like him enough to select him early, there must be something special about him. His length is insane.
Makes me wonder about last year and if they traded down to far and ended up picking McDowell instead of original target Kevin King. Impossible to know
Apparently King was on their list of prospects, but they had him rated lower than McDowell, so they traded down again and made one of the worst decisions of their tenure thus far. That one will haunt them.
I think it was more that interior rusher had less competition on the roster and depth in the draft than anything
Carroll truly thought he could get the best out of the Player and Person in McDowell. I believe Rob had Malik in his next year’s top 10 or so the previous year. He had concerns, he slid down the draft and they saw it as opportunity, it was a gamble.
McATV fracked up by not wearing a helmet when he should have, especially after signing a contract while doing something I believe was on The Hawks “Not Cool” list.
The End
I believe JS admitted he King was one of their top guys and said they had McDowell rated higher. Can’t fault that based on talent, but obviously there is more to it than that. A good K would have been a better pick than Malik…
Not sure if this was discussed, but per Schefter:
Antonio Callaway WR: Florida, failed his combine drug test (diluted sample). I guess we cross him off our lists
Worse than that: PFT has said that while his agent said it was overhydration (a diluted sample) that caused the positive test, Calloway came out later and said he smoked a few weeks before the combine and takes full responsibility.
His agent should fire his ass immediately. Kicked out of school and out of football for a year, able to smoke weed without getting caught until roughly a month before the combine, and he smokes weed–then lets his agent try to cover his butt and THEN hangs his agent out to dry and makes him a public liar?!
This kid is too stupid to work flipping burgers. He’s not getting drafted…
Yeah, Pauline reported a couple weeks ago that “new red flags” had popped up on him. But wow, failing a drug test AT THE COMBINE? Wonder if he even gets drafted at this point despite all that talent.
He was a complete moron before this anyways.
Man, I watched some Rasheem Green yesterday and can’t shake the feeling that the Seahawks FO would absolutely love him as a Bennett replacement.
But how oh how to get him while still drafting Kirk and Chubb? 🙂
I get it if they draft Green. But man, there are so many players that have such higher floors than him available in that 25-40 range.
Not many higher ceilings in the world though.
He’d have likely gone top 20 if he’d returned to school
Yep—and that’s why they’d roll the dice. But if I could get Price, Kirk, or Chubb instead.
Also if they are preaching STR, doesn’t that limit their emphasis on potential? They’re looking for reliable players that will start and be effective.
Smart, tough, reliable can be players who have not tapped in to their full potential too
Sea Mode: I have been feeling the same way about Rasheem Green.
That’s easy: just don’t draft Kirk. There are usually dozens of decent WRs down into the 3rd, 4th rounds or later. Guys who could turn into something, or at least fill a niche, whether it’s a slot guy, a punt return guy, whatever. Much harder to find the right DE, so I think you have to prioritize that.
Not if the DE’s aren’t worth the pick
The “wavy” acl report doesn’t put you off a little? Maybe it pushes him down tn the bottom of rd2 and have a chance at 2 of the 3 keeping earl.
Looks like if we stayed at #18 most draft boards have the Seahawks picking a cornerback, defensive end or offensive linemen. Obviously they don’t consider a running back to be the biggest priority or value at #18. But does that really make a great deal of difference if they trade down?? If you picked a defensive end at #18 as your top priority, why wouldn’t you pick best available defensive end where ever your first pick is at?
I think those are 3 pretty solid ideas. Wynn, Landry, or Oliver all offer value and a reason to actually feel good about spending a 1st on them. I wouldn’t be upset with any of them if we were unable to trade back.
It would be silly to be locked into drafting one position before the draft starts unless they know their guy is going to be there. It depends who is on the board when we finally pick and how they grade out against the guys on our roster. What if there was a run on defensive ends and the value isn’t there?
Well, Rob’s probably about ready to put up the new article, but here’s this anyway.
I filtered down the CB list (me and my spreadsheets, ya know… 😉 ) for all the Seahawks physical ideals I could find, and came up with these 4 names. With quite a few long-armed CBs in the draft, what really narrows it down is the sub 4.3 short shuttle. Only 2/18 CBs they have drafted or acquired have not met that requirement. 18/18 had sub 7.2 second 3-cone times and 11/18 were sub 7 seconds.
Holton Hill, Texas: the fastest 40yd of them (4.49), but the least explosive by a good margin and has the off field question marks. Read this yesterday on Pauline’s site, among many positives:
Glad they brought him in for a visit to find out, cause that kind of description is exactly what Schneider said yesterday that they were going to avoid.
Isaac Yiadom, Boston College
The complete opposite personality-wise. Smart, athletic, well-spoken, professional. I saw really nice patience in press coverage, which is one of the hardest things for new Seahawk CBs to learn. A lot to like. 4.52 40yd is still good. Is the lightest of the group by a small margin and the least strong. Has the 32.25″ arms, but wingspan at 75.75 does not hit the 77.5 minimum. Shaq Griffin only has 74.125 wingspan, so for the right guy they could make an exception. Being projected in the R5 range, he very well might be our guy since Isaiah Oliver will likely go too early for us.
Christian Campbell, Penn State
The athletic freak among athletic freak CBs. 98.6% SPARQ in the NFL. 4.55 40yd was the only average number he put up, cause the rest were all out of the ballpark. The one size drawback are smallest hands in the group at 8.75″. Only a one year starter though and needs a lot more development than the first two guys on the list. Still, 1 INT, 12 PBU, 2 FF his senior year showed growth. R6 type guy.
Justin Martin, Tennessee
With a 4.56 40yd, he is the “slowest” of the group, albeit by a mere tenth of a second. Was also the only one of these four with a 3 Cone above 7 seconds. (6.90 is Seahawks historical average for CBs). JUCO transfer guy who played for 3 years for the Vols. With only 1 INT and 1 PBU this year in 10 appearances, at this point he’s just a piece of clay. R7/UDFA prospect.
I’ll expand on this a bit tomorrow with some additional names that just missed the thresholds.
*hundredth of a second
Good names for the board. Martin and Campbell are guys that I haven’t even checked out.
Thanks.
Thank you for all of the work! I’m willing to bet the hawks nab one of those guys. You’ve been killing it all offseason Sea Mode, i think i speak for the whole blog in saying we appreciate your lists
Yiadom in the 5th for me!
I’m with Del- you’re killing it. Thanks for the lists
Great post Seamode.
I think Hill would be an ideal Hawks CB. He is so solid in Run support and physical for his size. Any of the 4 on your list would be a good Day 3 option.
What the heck are they feeding the kids at penn state. Barkley, Apke, Geseki and this Campbell dude. They must have one hell of a strength and conditioning program/coach. Let’s poach this guy
Nice post! I like all of that. Hills going to be my guy. first cb I saw that I could tell was long. But like a brick in the run game.
But I’m not going to mind any of the others.
Not but like a brick…..But like a brick
Don’t you think Hill might be off the Hawks board??? They are changing things up. IMO…
Final first round mock draft for me.
1. Cleveland – Baker Mayfield QB
2. Buffalo – Sam Darnold QB
3. NYJ – Josh Allen QB
4. Cleveland – Saquon Barkley RB
5. Denver – Josh Rosen QB
6. Indy – Quenton Nelson OG
7. Green Bay – Bradley Chubb DE
8. Chicago – Denzel Ward CB
9. San Fran – Roquan Smith LB
10. Oakland – Tremaine Edmunds LB
11. Miami – Lamar Jackson QB
12. NYG – Vita Vea DL
13. Washington – Leighton Vander Esch LB
14. Tampa – Derwin James DB
15. Arizona – Minkah Fitzpatrick DB
16. Baltimore – Mike McGlinchey OL
17. LAC – Josh Jackson CB
18. Cleveland – Kolton Miller OL
19. Dallas – Calvin Ridley WR
20. Detroit – Isaiah Oliver CB
21. Cincy – Isaiah Wynn OL
22. NYG – Courtland Sutton WR
23. New England – Harold Landry DE
24. Carolina – Sam Hubbard DL
25. Tennessee – Rashaan Evans LB
26. Atlanta – DaRon Payne DL
27. New Orleans – Will Hernandez OL
28. Pittsburgh – Taven Bryan DL
29. Jacksonville – James Washington WR
30. Minnesota – Connor Williams OL
31. New England – James Daniel’s OL
32. Philadelphia – Ronald Jones II RB
Round 2
33. Tampa – Sony Michel RB
34. NYG – Mason Rudolph QB
35. Cleveland – Ronnie Harrison S
36. Indy – Arden Key DE
37. Indy – Jaire Alexander CB
38. Seattle – Nick Chubb RB
39. Chicago – Will Hernandez OG
40. Denver – Mike Hughes CB
41. Oakland – Derrius Guice RB
42. Miami – Brian O’Niell OL
43. New England – Billy Price OL
44. Washington – Kerryon Johnson RB
45. Tampa – Austin Corbett OL
46. Cincy – Dallas Goedert TE
47. Arizona – Donte Jackson CB
48. LAC – Justin Reid S
49. Indy – Christian Kirk WR
50. Dallas – Terrell Edmunds LB
51. Detroit – Rashaad Penny RB
52. Baltimore – Tim Settle DL
53. NYG – Rasheem Green DL
54. Kansas City – D.J. Chark WR
55. Carolina – Lorenzo Carter LB
56. NYG – Malik Jefferson LB
57. Tennessee – B.J. Hill DT
58. Atlanta – Jessie Bates III S
59. San Fran – Andrew Brown DL
60. Pittsburgh – Orlando Brown OT
61. Jacksonville – Kemoko Turay LB
62. Minnesota – Tim Settle DL
63. New England – Luke Falk QB
64. Seattle – Dante Pettis WR
Seahawks:
-Trade 18 to Cleveland for 33 and 64.
-Trade 33 and 146 to TB for 38 and 102.
38. Nick Chubb RB
64. Dante Pettis WR
102. Braden Smith OL
120. Shaquem Griffin LB
141. Tony Brown CB
156. Natrell Jamerson S
168. Will Dissly TE
226. Ito Smith RB
248. Kyle Allen QB
Oh Hell yeah! Nick Chubb and that one Dante e
Wide receiver bloke!
I’m so down! You may email Pete and John now Coleslaw!
Go Coleslaw’s Mock!
I got so excited I didn’t read your whole mock. Shaquem and Will Dissly as well! Jamerson and Ito Smith sound great also.
Definitely the Mock I’ve seen I’m hoping for most!
Thanks man, definitely gonna be wrong but always fun
Well shoot I think I got it wrong guys.. I don’t think Will Hernandez is gonna get drafted twice in the top 40
Don’t be like me, kids.
You also have Tim (Galatica) Settle twice. I wasn’t going to say anything but you already edited yourself. It’s okay Coleslaw, your mind was occupied thinking about Dante Pettis the whole time you were typing.
Smiling Face while winking emoji.
Hey guys get the jump on Rob. Seahawkers just posted the other part of his interview
http://seahawkerspodcast.com
Thanks, Kenny
We are coming to the end of speculation an I have had a blast but I have to go on record now. The 1st pick should be a Nick Chubb. He ticks every box as far as the athletics in spades. He has the ability to run between the tackles. He’s a quiet thoughtful guy like John Wayne in the Quiet guy. Seattle needs a guy like this and it goes a long ways to improving the run game. This guy can lead us to the promise land again I have to believe. So if we get this guy I really wouldn’t care who else we draft because we wouldn’t need a Beast mode till his contract was up 4 years from now. A trade and billy Price at 50 would go even farther to improve are run game. I’ll take that over a slot receiver any day. Just some rambling.
The NFL Network, reporting on the last-minute fast-risers, says Isaiah Oliver is shooting up draft boards. He will not be there early R2. If he is the target, the Seahawks can only trade down about five or six slots, not fifteen.
And rightfully so, Oliver is the best corner in the class on tape by far. There’s only been I think 8 corners ever to have his length. He’s a top 20 player.
Make a list of the top 10 players you hope the Hawks take in the draft tomorrow….Then throw it in the trash. You know it’s true. Can’t wait till tomorrow non-the-less.
Well done. Best mock draft so far!
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Seriously, if I was an agent for one of these guys the first thing I’d do would be to tell them to delete their Twitter – that or wipe it. Although this probably isn’t the sort of ‘character concern’ that NFL teams seem to be troubled by.
So true.
Mike Mayock says Hawks are going with best CB or DE on their board with their first pick. If the talent cliff is earlier for CB and DE than it is for interior OL or RB then they should go that way. JS said it himself that they got too focused on drafting for need. They need talent, and identifying those talent cliffs are going to be key to this draft. I’m okay with anything with their first pick outside QB. Go get talent and LET’S GO!!! Video link below for Mayock’s first round mock…
https://youtu.be/94uoXTU3_iE