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Devin Lloyd led Utah to a fantastic 2021 season
A reminder that these mock drafts are a projection. This isn’t what I want to happen, necessarily. I’m running through different scenarios to create talking points.
In this two-round mock I wanted to look at a situation where the Seahawks are faced with a choice of Derek Stingley Jr at #9 or moving down. I think this could be a very real prospect for them. If it plays out that way, it comes down to taking a chance on a player who could be the best in the draft versus thinking — the injury is a concern, we haven’t taken cornerbacks early, we’ll trade down.
I’ve already done a mock with the Seahawks taking Stingley Jr — so I want to look at a different scenario here.
There are notes on Seattle’s picks after each of the full two rounds. Then I’ll run through a full seven round mock for the Seahawks.
First round
#1 Jacksonville — Travon Walker (DE, Georgia)
#2 Detroit — Aidan Hutchinson (DE, Michigan)
#3 Houston — Kayvon Thibodeaux (DE, Oregon)
#4 NY Jets — Jermaine Johnson (DE, Florida State)
#5 NY Giants — Evan Neal (G, Alabama)
#6 Carolina — Ikem Ekonwu (G, NC State)
#7 NY Giants — Sauce Gardner (CB, Cincinnati)
#8 Atlanta — Garrett Wilson (WR, Ohio State)
#9 Baltimore (v/SEA) — Trevor Penning (T, Northern Iowa)
#10 New York Jets — Derek Stingley Jr (CB, LSU)
#11 Washington — Kyle Hamilton (S, Notre Dame)
#12 LA Chargers (v/MIN) — Charles Cross (T, Miss. State)
#13 Houston — Jordan Davis (DT, Georgia)
#14 Seattle (v/BAL) — Devin Lloyd (LB, Utah)
#15 Philadelphia — Devonte Wyatt (DT, Georgia)
#16 New Orleans — Jameson Williams (WR, Alabama)
#17 Minnesota (v/LAC) — Trent McDuffie (CB, Washington)
#18 Philadelphia — Andrew Booth (CB, Clemson)
#19 New Orleans — Kenny Pickett (QB, Pittsburgh)
#20 Pittsburgh — Malik Willis (QB, Liberty)
#21 New England — Zion Johnson (G, Boston College)
#22 Green Bay — Chris Olave (WR, Ohio State)
#23 Arizona — George Karlaftis (DE, Purdue)
#24 Dallas — Tyler Smith (T, Tulsa)
#25 Buffalo — Quay Walker (LB, Georgia)
#26 Tennessee — Matt Corral (QB, Ole Miss)
#27 Tampa Bay — David Ojabo (DE, Michigan)
#28 Green Bay — Drake London (WR, USC)
#29 Kansas City — Travis Jones (DT, Connecticut)
#30 Seattle (v/KC) — Tyler Linderbaum (C, Iowa)
#31 Cincinnati — Kaiir Elam (CB, Florida)
#32 Detroit — Nakobe Dean (LB, Georgia)
The trades
Baltimore (14) trades up with Seattle (9) for #76
The Ravens need a right tackle and are showing a lot of interest in Trevor Penning. They jump ahead of the Jets and ward-off interest from the Chargers in Penning.
LA Chargers (17) trades up with Minnesota (12) for #79
According to Tony Pauline, the Vikings are showing serious interest in Trent McDuffie and will look to move down and select him. The Chargers, meanwhile, appear to be targeting a right tackle, receiver or Jordan Davis.
Seattle (40) trades up with Kansas City (30) for #109 & 2023 R4
Explanation included in the notes below.
Thoughts on the Seahawks’ picks
The prospect of taking Derek Stingley Jr is going to be incredibly tempting. He is more than just a ‘good cornerback’. He has a big, powerful frame to combine with 4.37 speed and explosive traits. This is a player who showed as a freshman the ability to stick with elite level receivers currently bossing the NFL.
One thing I forgot to mention in my piece on Stingley Jr on Wednesday — the source I spoke to within the league said he thought he was better than Patrick Surtain.
He has no character flaws and the negatives surrounding him are overblown. Yes, the Lis Franc injury will be thoroughly investigated. I thought he looked fighting fit at his pro-day. He was also out there competing. A reminder that Sauce Gardner hasn’t done a vertical, broad, three-cone or short shuttle pre-draft.
I would take Stingley Jr. For me, it’s not even really much of a debate. I’ll take that shot on greatness and have no regrets.
Yet there are things to consider in this initial round of the mock for the Seahawks. How much is the focus in this draft going to be on the defensive front seven? After all — they’ve re-signed Sidney Jones, brought in Artie Burns and Justin Coleman and they really like Tre Brown.
Earlier this week Shelby Harris mentioned the importance of the linebackers in the Vic Fangio scheme and made reference to the importance of pressure, allowing the cornerbacks essentially to just make their plays.
The Seahawks haven’t done anything at linebacker other than the minor addition of Joel Iyiegbuniwe. It seems unlikely to me they’d just move off Bobby Wagner and then hand the starter job to Cody Barton.
At some point they’re going to add a linebacker — possibly in the first two rounds. And it could be round two. The options are good.
I do wonder though if they’ll really like Devin Lloyd. He’s one of the players in this draft you can just plug in and you’d back him to make plays right away. He’s constantly talked about as an ‘alpha’ who, as a captain, helped elevate Utah to the PAC-12 title.
He’s an ideally sized, aggressive, physical linebacker with 33 inch arms. Yet he’s also incredibly versatile and can play outside or inside. As a pass rusher he dips and bends better than some pass rushers. He ran a 1.58 10-yard split.
In a copycat league — maybe they see him doing the whole Micah Parsons thing? Some linebacker, some rushing off the edge.
It would certainly explain the readiness they had in moving on from Bobby Wagner, if they had their eye on adding Lloyd in round one.
I then have the Seahawks trading back into round one. I think a scenario where they move down from #9 and then up from #40 is extremely viable.
I don’t think it’ll be for a quarterback. I don’t think the Seahawks are going to draft a quarterback early. I do think they will be looking for core, foundation players early in this draft. People they can build around.
Lloyd fits that description and so does Tyler Linderbaum. According to Pete Carroll they signed Austin Blythe — a draft hedge — because they want to try a player with his size. They also like his wrestling background. Linderbaum has an identical body-type and an even better wrestling background in High School.
With these two picks the Seahawks may feel like they’ve added two of the best players in the draft. They may also feel like they’ve added building blocks, leaders and tone-setters.
Second round
#33 Jacksonville — Cam Jurgens (C, Nebraska)
#34 Detroit — Christian Watson (WR, North Dakota State)
#35 New York Jets — Treylon Burks (WR, Arkansas)
#36 New York Giants — Boye Mafe (DE, Minnesota)
#37 Houston — Arnold Ebiketie (DE, Penn State)
#38 New York Jets — Channing Tindall (LB, Georgia)
#39 Chicago — Jahan Dotson (WR, Penn State)
#40 Detroit (v/SEA) — Lewis Cine (S, Georgia)
#41 Seattle — Abraham Lucas (T, Washington State)
#42 Atlanta (v/IND) — Desmond Ridder (QB, Cincinnati)
#43 Atlanta — Breece Hall (RB, Iowa State)
#44 Cleveland — Perrion Winfrey (DT, Oklahoma)
#45 Baltimore — Cole Strange (G/C, Chattanooga)
#46 Minnesota — Greg Dulcich (TE, UCLA)
#47 Washington — Leo Chenal (LB, Wisconsin)
#48 Chicago — Kyler Gordon (CB, Washington)
#49 New Orleans — Kenneth Walker (RB, Michigan State)
#50 Kansas City — Nick Cross (S, Maryland)
#51 Philadelphia — Jaquan Brisker (S, Penn State)
#52 Pittsburgh — Bernhard Raimann (G, Central Michigan)
#53 Green Bay — Trey McBride (TE, Colorado State)
#54 New England — Troy Andersen (LB, Montana State)
#55 Arizona — Roger McCreary (CB, Auburn)
#56 Dallas — Sam Williams (DE, Ole Miss)
#57 Buffalo — Jalyn Armour-Davis (CB, Alabama)
#58 Indianapolis (v/ATL) — Demarri Mathis (CB, Pittsburgh)
#59 Green Bay — Logan Hall (DT, Houston)
#60 Tampa Bay — Bryan Cook (S, Cincinnati)
#61 San Francisco — Joshua Paschal (DE, Kentucky)
#62 Kansas City — Tariq Woolen (CB, UTSA)
#63 Cincinnati — Marcus Jones (CB, Houston)
#64 Denver — Nik Bonitto (OLB, Oklahoma)
The trade
Atlanta (58) trades up with Indianapolis (42) for #82
The Falcons gifted the Colts Matt Ryan. Here, Indy repays the favour. They get their third rounder back to move down 16 spots, allowing the Falcons to select Desmond Ridder.
Thoughts on the Seahawks’ pick
Just like there’s been a peculiar lack of interest in adding any kind of linebacker post-Wagner — the Seahawks haven’t exactly been active in the tackle market either. While there’s still a good chance Duane Brown returns — it’s also possible they’ve got their eye on at least one tackle in the draft.
Abraham Lucas has been a blog favourite for a long time. He had a sensational combine and for me, was by far the most impressive player during on-field drills. On top of that, he ran a 4.92 forty and an outstanding 4.40 short shuttle. He’s a 2.97 TEF tester — in range for what Seattle has looked for under Carroll and Schneider.
They could plug him in at right tackle, then re-sign Brown to play the left side and the offensive line would be complete.
Seahawks seven round mock
#14 — Devin Lloyd (LB, Utah)
#30 — Tyler Linderbaum (C, Iowa)
#41 — Abraham Lucas (T, Washington State)
#72 — Dameon Pierce (RB, Florida)
It’ll almost be a surprise if the Seahawks don’t select Pierce. He has the size and explosive traits they love. His physical brand of punishing running is right in the Chris Carson, Thomas Rawls, Marshawn Lynch ball-park. Even if he ends up somewhere else, this guy is a Seahawk.
#76 — Michael Clemons (DE, Texas A&M)
According to Brady Henderson he’s taking an official visit to Seattle. He has 35 inch arms and looks the part. It’s his attitude that stands out though. The guy is angry as hell after losses and just has that look in his eye. The look we haven’t seen in these parts since Kam Chancellor. The way he looks and speaks — it’s BAMF territory.
#152 — Percy Butler (S, Louisiana)
A special teams freak, Butler will be an immediate contribution as a gunner. He has the potential to be developed into more over time but his day one impact on special teams could easily see him go much earlier than this.
#153 — Matt Henningsen (DT, Wisconsin)
If the Seahawks like Logan Hall early but don’t get a chance to take him, Henningsen could be a consolation prize. He ran a remarkable 4.29 short shuttle at the Badgers’ pro-day, a 7.19 three cone and then added a 37.5 inch vertical and a 9-11 broad jump — all at 290lbs.
#230 — Ja’Tyre Carter (G, Southern)
He’s a 2.98 TEF tester who played tackle in college. The Rams liked to convert tackles inside to guard and Carter could be a flyer to see if he can pull that off.
What would trading D.K. Metcalf look like?
Let’s say the Jets offered #10 and #38. You could do all of the above — but now add in Derek Stingley Jr and one of the other players in the top half of round two.
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Brady Henderson: The Seahawks are scheduled to host Texas A&M edge player Micheal Clemons on a pre-draft visit next week, a source tells me. At 6-5/263, Clemons has the build that Seattle is looking for at OLB. He had seven sacks as a senior last year.
https://twitter.com/BradyHenderson/status/1512507412543991809?s=20&t=eVkNEUE9oyfYL4CYzbp0Ug
I found Clemons’ tape frustrating to watch but I know Lance Zierlein likes him
What he does have is a BAMF voice and look in his eye
I might draft him for this post-loss anger alone 😂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6riLapHia_o
That is a dude right there
Screw it — he’s going in the mock
I can’t stop thinking about that interview
Inject it into my veins
THAT is what I want after a game. Not a bloody Louis Vuitton coffee cup
Reminds me a little of Josh Paschal, not as big but a little twitchier. Love the attitude of both players. Great stuff!
🤣🤣🤣
OMFG… every time he said, “Ask me again, please” *I* was terrified… and I’m just a guy rewatching an interview that’s three months old! I can’t imagine being the reporter having to re-ask..!
Yes! It was scary just watching him. Awesome!
I just got this feeling if he has a younger sister she’s probably never been on a date in her life with a brother who has a death stare like that (and traps bigger than my thighs — his shirt is screaming “help me!”).
Hahah that is exactly what I was thinking. Felt like a clubbed lang, mister t, line out of rocky 3. Fool was the only thing missing to end that sentence!
*clubber not clubbed
Like a young Mike Tomlin. Not a bad association at all.
“What happened on that play?”
“He scored.”
I’ve just found a clip of Michael Clemons on a scoop-and-score and he tried to do the Marshawn crotch grab into the end zone
Draft him at #9
Wow! We need 5 guys just like that. If ever I’d consider a guy just based on an interview, he’d be the one.
I would seriously, genuinely, draft him for that BAMF attitude alone
Wow! I imagine even his teammates refer to him as “Mr. Clemons”!
So would Chuck Norris.
Clemons is very well spoken as well and he certainly has leadership qualities. Those eyes!
https://youtu.be/CTi2fp_qN0s
EXACTLY the type of attitude the team needs!
We can always use a good Clemons on the d-line.
What’s the draft range? 3rd round and beyond or is he a trade back into the 2nd candidate?
Derek mentions Clemons reminds him of Josh Paschal. Would love for us to draft Clemons on day 3, Paschal and Leo Chenal on day 2, and have a TFL BAMF front 7! Rob, do you think JS’s referral to GB’s penchant for drafting QBs every year was another misdirection, and we’re just going to go with Lock, Eason and maybe Geno this year? Thought maybe we’d draft either QB Coan or Eleby on day 3.
Would love to see us combine with Pierce either TDP from LSU or Snoop Conner from Miss. on day 3. Heard elsewhere reviewing this RB class that TDP had 1/3 of his yards after contact and got stronger in the 2nd half, and Snoop had almost 3/4 of his yards after contact….both absolute BAMFs.
Zach Tom is another guy I’d really like to see us get early day 3. Had fantastic #s at the combine and played great at the Shrine Bowl, made JJ from FSU move to the other side while playing LT for WF, and can play center too.
Great stuff thanks for all the info
The top 3 pick would be a dream scenario, we need another stud at LB moving to a 3/4 and I love Lloyd’s versatility. Getting the drafts top C and top 5 tackle prospect would fill huge needs as well. Would love to add a big corner in this draft as well. But overall A++.
Great scenarios. Would selecting Jurgens/Strange over Linderbaum in that slot work also? I keep finding myself partial to Jurgens.
It was also interesting looking at each team in the teens to assess their likelihood of trading up and available compensation in the draft. Baltimore definitely stands out as well suited as do Eagles/Saints.
The point of the Linderbaum connection is Carroll literally stating what they want at center — and it being Linderbaum to a tee, right down to the hedge they signed for him.
Rob,
Are you really projecting a guy NO ONE HAS HEARD OF going off the board at #36 overall?
Intriguing!
🙂
Rob,
I noticed no QB taken in this mock. If that happens, who do you think would be a good player/player(s) to compete with Lock?
They might add Mayfield after the draft
Really enjoy the different scenarios
Still prefer Zion in a tradeback.
And yes I “get,” the dline signings but would ne a bit gutted to not take Wyatt there. Outside of Harris and his potential here no one on the dline is exempt from an upgrade.
I’ve come around a bit to Linderbaum. He’s the same size as Blythe. Cam jugens is still ny guy for moving bodies around. At only an inch taller so not a giant but with longer arms I just think he makes more sense.
Makes a lot of sense. Thanks, Rob.
I hope they don’t take Lloyd. He is one of those guys that looks all-world one game, but then should be benched some games. Watch him against BYU this past season. Mistake after mistake after mistake with gap control and drop depth. It is Jekyll & Hyde.
The more I think about a scenario that nets two offensive lineman in the first three picks, the more I think it makes sense. If you’re going to commit to a badass running game, go all-in with it. And the only skill position players you can consistently count on getting opportunities in Carrol offenses are running backs.
So let’s make it as easy on those dudes as possible.
With the cost of QB and WR, I wouldn’t be surprised if more teams don’t try to win with a good OL and running backs. RB are cheap, cheaper than WR at the moment and you may not need a top 5-10 QB nor its cap hit.
Plus a great defense and a game manager that can fling it deep once in a while. It worked in 2013.
I’d love for someone to figure out how to win without a super expensive QB. I’m sure 25 or so GM’s would too. Could that be the next revolution in football? Pete ball!
Committing to a badass running game is a nice way to go 3-14 in today’s NFL.
Tell that to the Titans (1 seed in the AFC) or the Niners (made it to the NFC Championship).
Good examples….of teams that ultimately lost because of their poor QB play
That’s such a weak response
Clemons jumped 35″ and ran the 3 cone in 7.20 at his pro day. That’s not bad for someone 6-5 270.
Coming around on Stingley at #9 after his pro day
You sold me on Stingley, so not sure I’d rather have Lloyd+ 24 year old Clemons over him.
Anybody know how old Lloyd is? Google isn’t helping me much 🤨
Clemons is going to be 25 this season
Lloyd will be 24 this year
Hawks have not been worried about age. Probably feel if you get a solid 4 years plus 2 years out of a 2nd contract you are doing alright with a pick.
And I’m comfortable with that TBH
I think we should always look at these picks as two contract deals really
I think it’s more than just how long you’ll have them at their prime. Players who dominate at the college level at <21 years old are more likely gonna thrive at the next level, rather than guys who only make the jump once they're the oldest players out there.
Only part of the equation obviously, but it's part of why I like Stingley so much, his natural talent is so obvious.
Well Pete did mention how they had the youngest SB winning roster and there’s some design to that. Not sure if that will impact 24 or 25 year olds going forward.
Everyone wants to talk about Stingley’s talent but nobody mentions the tape vs Alabama (2 seasons), Florida. Even his 2 pick game against Georgia wasn’t all pretty. I watched Vanderbilt and he seemed perfectly fine with staying blocked (did save a TD though). Tell me about the tape where he shuts down top talent (not practice drills please). Could be more consistently competitive.
Well a 24 year old may have dominated because they are just physically better and more mature compared to their competition, and they won’t have that advantage in the NFL
This is a great highlight clip:
https://www.si.com/college/utah/football/2022-nfl-draft-profile-devin-lloyd
Guy has some nice twitch and explosion to him. His build looks surprisingly slim to me. Can he stack and shed?
No QB’s taken…
If this this is how the draft falls, does Baker become a real (our only) option for competition with Lock?
With multiple Seahawks openly stating they think Lock has the chops to be a franchise QB, I wonder how committed PC/JS are to aggressively acquiring legit competition, eg. Baker Mayfield. They have to see that some teammates already believe in Lock and are rallying around him. Also, with a tight cap, unless Baker can be had for peanuts I don’t see a transaction happening.
Devin Lloyd, Tyler Lindenbaum, and Abraham Lucas would be quit a haul. For your first three picks. In my opinion that would be great. Although I don’t like trading up to get Linderhaum. Ig those guys are our first three picks. Sign me up right. Then you throw in Dameon Pierce and Michal Clemons. That would be quit a haul
I fully want to keep DK.
But if Seattle could come away from this draft with Stingley, Lloyd, Linderbaum, Tindall and Lucas, all in just the first 2 days…man I don’t know.
I’m not sure we’d go both Lloyd and Tindall- though suppose you could and bye bye Barton. Would prefer a top WR in that scenario and choose one of the LBs.
Would also love to keep DK. Setting building blocks for
Future success sounds even better for positive team growth and cap management. Sign me up for that trade!
After trading DK & Based on the current mock draft board:
I could see going Stingley, Lloyd, Linderbaum, Lucas, & Winfrey; followed by the others.
Is it bad that I like Lloyd more than Hutchinson…?
hutch was so in effective against bama, I am in the same boat as you
Jimbo Fisher on Michael Clemons:
“He puts his heart and soul into everything he does.”
Somewhere I saw a GB trade for DK that involved Love and picks. Cant see GB doing it but a curious way to add to QB comp.
Rob, mlb obvious draft need, I am wondering if the value would be better in 2nd round. How would Channing Tinda vs Lloyd or Chanel compare in new defensive scheme. I would prefer taking MLB in second then have option of Stingley or trade down in 1st round.
I’d check out previous articles and pods Bash — spent a lot of time talking about the LB’s and also done an interview with Leo Chenal.
I get that this is a “trade down” projection and I appreciate that you are giving us possible scenarios Rob. That said, I will be disappointed if Stingley is there and they pass for a LB a little later in the round.
LOVE that we got Lucas in this mock!
I’ll go on record and say I’m not a big Abe Lucas fan. GREAT run blocker, no question there. I don’t trust him as a pass protector in the league.
I’m wondering how similar a player Lloyd is to KJ Wright. Similar sized players, Lloyd has a tick more athletic measurements across the board.
Huh? Lucas is known for his pass-blocking technique. He’s average as a run-blocker. I don’t get it.
Shut down Thibodeaux nearly completely.
So did Jaxson freakin Kirkland lol
CaptJack is an obvious Husky:)
I make no secret that I’m a husky fan.
Not a homer though by any means. I don’t have anything against the WSU program. That’s just my personal opinion of one player. Abe Lucas was a great college oline for the pac 12. Don’t want to take that away from. The question is, does he have what it takes to start at right tackle for a pro team. Maybe he does but I’m probably more skeptical than others on him.
You can doubt the player. I have no problem with that. Others are also doubting Lucas. What I don’t understand is you provide an opposite scouting report than what others have said. Did you watch him every week? Do you have new information about him? I am just genuinely curious.
Wow Rob,
You gave the Jets Jermain Johnson, Stingley and Channing Tindall!
‘Way to break our hearts. Have we suddenly become like Cleveland and we don’t get to have nice things?
I realize that when it comes to draft projections you’re an anti-Polyanna-ist and a ‘hope-is-not-a-strategy’ guy – but that was pretty brutal even for you.
If we got 10 and 38 from the Jets, what about trading up from 9 to get Jermaine Johnson?
It’d be too expensive
I would think a 9 and 10 could get you to number 4 or 5, and then we’d be positioned 38, 40, and 41 in the second round.
Rob, you are truly going Beast Mode with the quantity and quality of your excellent draft coverage, well done
Thank you 👍🏻
Hey Rob,
If you get a moment, wanted to ask you: If you are Seahawks GM, and YOU are deciding the #9 pick… in this scenario all four pass rushers, both top CBs, and both top OTs are all gone plus you have no trade partners to move down.
Who do you take at #9?
-Davonte Wyatt?
-Devin Lloyd?
-Trevor Penning?
-Got a dark horse for us?
Thank you sir!
Rob, great insights, as always.
I think I know what you’re going to say, but I’ll ask anyways: Devin Lloyd or Boye Mafe?
For that matter, do you think the Seahawks should be more interested in a linebacker who can blitz or more of a true end?
I’m curious how you would rank guys like Arnold Ebiketie, Boye Mafe, Devin Lloyd, Nik Bonitto, Sam Williams, and Channing Tindall. I supposed others could be added as well (DeAngelo Malone?).
Cheers
I think Shelby might be biased on whether or not CBs are important. Either that or he’s trying to hide our true intentions. It seems like the Broncos are always drafting CBs high and giving them big contracts. Sees like they value CBs a lot. Not sure why it would change if Seattle was going a similar route.
I think Seahawks have an offer for Baker and it’s not going to change. If the Browns really want that draft pick for this year then they’re going to need to take it or they’ll get nothing useful until next year. I feel like JS isn’t a huge negotiator, he says I’ll give you this and take it or leave it. When it comes to trades at least. That’s why he either overpays or gets a great deal.
Love Carter, I’ve found myself taking him on the simulator pretty much every time in the 7th.
This draft looks great but I would love to dip into this Corner class if we can’t grab Sauce or Stingley early on. Lots of intriguing long and tall guys, Seahawks always dip into the corner class in the middle rounds and I don’t see why this year it would be any different. Perhaps at 153 instead of a DT would be a good spot where guys like Emerson, Taylor-Britt, Zyon McCollum, Armour-Davis and Coby Bryant might be available.
Chad Reuter not only has us drafting Matt Corral with our first pick, he has us trading up to 4 to do it. Its like these mocks are a joke.
https://www.nfl.com/news/four-round-2022-nfl-mock-draft-2-0-seahawks-saints-trade-into-top-five-for-qb
I am ALL IN on Devin Lloyd. If Lloyd is on the board. Take him. Don’t get cute. Take him. Could Lloyd be this years Micah Parsons?
Lloyd has great awareness but Parsons was more of a freak athlete.
I guess trading down might be the best option. I’m still dreaming and praying a top trench player falls to 9, somehow, someway. Maybe one of them makes a silly video like Laremy Tunsil?
I believe there will be lot of surprises in top 8 picks and I’m worried about JS he can be aggressive or act to cute.
JS getting too cute and trading a $5 bill for 3 $1 bills concerns me as well.
Expectations are high since we’re used to making the playoffs and we haven’t had a top 10 pick for a decade (except our own native pick this year thx JA)
but pick 9 may be out of range of a surefire star. So trade down? Gamble? Which would you choose? Go safe but a bit overdrafted? They thought they were doing that with LJ Collier didn’t they? Trade ups are just too expensive at 9 but never say never.
Rob,
David Ojabo was rumored to go in the top 20 before his injury. If he lasts until the late first round / early second, would you be upset if the Seahawks took him?
Love DK, but for 10 & 38, make the deal. Give me Stingley & Jordan Davis (or Wyatt). Then Tindall or the Wisconsin LB that Rob interviewed.
Jordan Davis might be the best bet of those left on the board. Personally I’m (foolishly) dreaming that Ickey Ekwonu somehow slides. He looks just like a Seahawks lineman to me. Bring on the QB reaches!
Jordan Davis could be a high-floor (or known commodity) guy at least. I really respect how he went back to school and helped Georgia to the title. He should be a legend there. The question is, can he become a 3-down player? Other solid interior rushers like Cam Heyward, Stephon Tuitt, and Grady Jarrett were also pigeonholed as “run stuffers” coming out. According to “pass rush specialist” Chuck Smith, Jordan Davis does have that same potential. Bring me Thanos!
Source: https://www.audacy.com/929thegame/sports/georgia-bulldogs/jordan-davis-can-be-a-three-down-player-like-cam-heyward
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In a trade down scenario like this, would you rather have Lloyd and Linderbaum or Zion and Tindall?
Rob,
If you had the choice between #10 & 38 or a package of #35,38,69 & a 2023 1st which are you taking.
Similar with the 2nd being possiblly a little lower in pt value in total; but not by much.
Myself I’d prefer the later.
That Michael Clemons is intense and I dig it .I totally agree with you Rob if that guy is available at pick 40 I say hand in the card with him name on it.no more Mister nice guy
Open for business.
https://mobile.twitter.com/4ourmanrush/status/1512553404043870211
Could Jurgens be one of those guys who ends up going a lot later than we think because we like him for what the Seahawks look for? Every year there are a few. Lance has him at 131, for example.
I really like Lance and his work but he also has some pretty out there opinions from time to time and this is one of them.
Jurgens is too good. He is a clear top-100 player
A quick insight into what running this blog is like.
Someone has been posting as Cover-2 on here. He’s just sent me the following two emails:
Quaking in my boots.
I have been following this blog like a hawk since the RW trade. Rob you’ve really captured the excitement of this new chapter and I’ve loved all of the ridiculous amount of content you’ve provided (not always agreed but loved).
I can’t fathom what these ridiculous threats were in response to but how can you tell you’ve really made it if you don’t have a stalker or two.
What a dumb piece of shit. Hey cover-2, go fuck your self.
Sorry you have to deal with that crap Rob. Mental illness is clearly the true pandemic facing society now unfortunately.
Been that way for a while Trevor. A lot of drug and alcohol addiction is rooted in self-medicating mental illness though certainly not all.
… This moron does know that “beware” is one word, right? Unless he actually threatened you to become something on sale, which is… a different threat, if nothing else.
Shameful.
“im a 6’5 270 pound former army ranger and college basketball player and you don’t want none in real life”
Big time WTF energy. Sorry you have to deal with sort of thing. I’ve always enjoyed this site for over a decade. I’ve agreed more often than not but we have also disagreed and I’ve not found you condescending. And still find this place to be quite welcoming even after a disagreement.
I can’t even imagine what prompted this. Post Wilson trade your vibe seems to be one of tempered optimism at the possibility of turning the page.
I think most commenters get it but for those that don’t all but the last mock Rob posts are thought experiments based on a combo of needs, types, game tape, intel, and intuition.
If you post a player preference and Rob doesn’t agree with you it doesn’t mean you are expressly wrong it most likely means there’s a reason for that.
Damnit. Once again, sorry you have to deal with threats and other BS because your passion involves you being upfront about your opinions and analysis. So many American have lost the ability to disagree and maintain a space for respect to their counterparts.
There really needs to be legal recourse for stuff like this. He is threatening your body and humanity. Yet, nothing will likely happen as repercussion to his words directed at you. And he’s a marine, and this is America — so he very likely has guns. It’s just not safe. It’s a football blog for fucks sake.
Rob, you have been getting these kind of emails intermittently. Someone really need help.
Good Lord…. It’s a blog about football with an exchange of opinions in the comments. What on earth here could warrant that load of BS? Nothing. I don’t agree with many of the statements here but I’d never feel justified threatening anyone. Of course, that would be the same response to this situation which apparently doesn’t describe cover2… People like that yutz are why this is the only comments section I ever read. Keep up the great work Rob!
Sane response not same…
That same butthurt toad will create a different user name under a different email address in order to consistently refute your opinions in here.
It happens all the time on blogs, as I’m sure you’ve run into countless times, Rob.
Ah yes, but I’m sure Rob tracks the IP address. He probably already knows the physical address of this 17 year old loser – nice parenting job Mr & Mrs Loser.
VPNs.
There’s always a way.
Rob, if you ever come to Seattle I’ll find you and buy you a beer. I’ll set your mouth straight by offering Ivars fish and chips. I’m on medical leave because I read your work too often, and the content is so strong it makes me vomit sometimes. You better avoid Seattle unless you want a job offer at ESPN, you insightful hardworking fuck!
😂
Fantastic Jerry, just fantastic.
You come to Portland/the other Vancoi8ver and I’ll buy you a beer Rob. Guessing Tom in PDX would love to join us.
Hmm 🤔. Disrespectful is certainly coming to the forefront. Intelligence however is lacking.
Like RugbyLock said above, why in the name of God would be this way over something like football opinions?
Hang in there man, most people aren’t this way.
At least it’s not a dic pic
You just gotta love the internet. Sorry you’re dealing with that, someone threatening to kick your ass due to your opinions on NFL football, welcome to the new age. If he’s a marine, he should be more concerned with what’s going on in Ukraine.
Do we have any data on how Linderbaum tested on TEF
He hasn’t tested
I understand that Linderbaum is highly rated, and fits the Rams mold of centers.
I am really prefering a stout guy at the position for once.
Somone who can hold his ground and not get pushed into the backfield.
A finesse center who is a good tactician doesnt seem like a good recipe for being a “bully”.
I wouldn’t exactly call Linderbaum ‘finesse’
Fair enough!
I think I’m probably just worried after several years of Centers who can’t hold up at the point of attack, and guys getting pushed around.
Getting an even smaller guy who (by your own admission) has his moments of getting pushed into the backfield, makes me nervous.
I’m sure Linderbaum is more talented overall than the centers we’ve been rolling out, though, so if he is who we end up drafting, I’ll be excited to see how he does.
How about trading back into the late teens and getting an early second near the Hawks other 2 seconds. Then they can get their favorite remaing of Devin Lloyd, Jordan Davis, Derek Stingley, or even Matt Corral. They would have 3 picks around 40 to move around or get 3 very solid end of 1-2 grade guys.
Marine, my arse. Wouldn’t last 5 mins in Rotherham!
Sorry you have to put up with this Rob.
Michael Clemons is a man!
We had a Chris Clemons and a Michael Bennett that worked out well so the name checks out.
He’s intense and his highlight tape looks good. I would be happy if they’d draft him
Looking back…
Michael Bennet is the LOB era seahawk I probably remember with the least fondness.
Yeah, Bennett was a weirdo and a penalty machine, but he was better than like 95% of our current roster
He’d probably still would’ve led us in sacks last year.
Wyatt for me.
Pete stated a goal was to improve the pass rush (which he’s been saying since start of first rebuild). Plus we have seen at least 2 times a year what an interior game wrecker does to us in Donald.
Now I would look forward to those Rams games with Wyatt being bigger and quicker than the smallish (by NFL standards) Rams Oline.
Plus inside pressure draws Oline focus there which helps both the outside ends and blitzes.
He’s one of 10 true first rounders on Robs board. To me don’t overthink it.
Was meant as a reply to Derek above.
He is dropping because of character concerns. I saw Walterfootball had that months ago and Todd Mcshay mentioned it even on the FirstDraft podcast this week. With that said, he’ll still go day 2 since no one wants an Isaiah Wilson situation.
Micheal Clemons
Player Bio
In nine starts in 10 games played, Clemons posted 32 tackles, 11 for loss with seven sacks (half his sacks came in one game vs LSU), and two pass breakups. He also led the team with 46 QB pressures (fourth-most in the SEC, per Pro Football Focus). Team sources say Clemons could be a third or fourth round pick who develops into being a starter in the NFL. He is a well-rounded base end who can hold his ground against the run and rush the passer.
Overview By Lance Zierlein
A tight-legged defensive end with NFL measurables and toughness, Clemons’ style of football won’t be a flavor that will appeal to every team. His movements are rigid and limiting at times, but his motor and play strength are qualities some teams see as building blocks for a successful career in more physically minded fronts. He needs to diversify his rush approach but his heavy hands have legitimate pro potential in opening pathways to the pocket. He has pro-ready traits, but a lack of fluidity and functional agility create a limited ceiling.
Strengths
-Impressive production since 2020.
-Broad shoulders with long arms and big hands.
-Measurables and toughness to play DE in odd or even front.
-Cement in his hands adds pop to his punch.
-Gets full arm extension to separate quickly.
-Twitchy and powerful shedding blocks.
-Play strength and motor bring him to the ball.
-Knocks blocker off-balance with punch-and-pull technique.
-Works hard at eliminating his blocker’s outside hand in his rush.
-Chop-slap-rip is a fruitful go-to move.
Weaknesses
-Tight lower body with short upfield strides.
-Segmented movement is tough on the eyes.
-Lack of bend gets him widened off the mark by kick-out blocks.
-Too upright and stiff, leading to missed tackles.
-Below-average athleticism for quick rush transition.
-Rush gets hung up and stalled by quality tackles.
-Lacking agility to thrive in twisting fronts.
-Suspended for 2021 season opener after arrest on charges that
included marijuana possession and unlawful carrying of a weapon.
Sources Tell Us
“I’m not going to worry about him being kind of stiff in his rush because he’s long and he’s strong. Those traits start in our league.”
-Scouting director for NFC team
I feel like I’m reading the scouting report for Carlos Dunlap or one of the other tall, stuff ends out of Florida some years back. I like this guy I feel like he could really reward a team after a few years.
If you had to bet your house on any player being drafted by the Seahawks, at any point in the draft, who would it be?
Linderbaum. The short signing of Blythe with Linderbaum being a near exact replica of him seems they are trending that way. He’s not my preference which is Jurgens but the fit seems too likely.
Percy Butler. Seattle loves special teams and he just seems like a guy who us going to dominate there. Plus, pete. How’s he going to get through a draft without taking a safety.
I agree with Percy Butler if I HAD for most likely, due to the official visit and the special teams prowess.
Other players I think are strong chances if available:
-Sauce Gardner
-Cole Strange
Dark horse:
-Dominique Robinson, edge -Miami. Body and athleticism ticks all the Seahawks boxes
The Blazers are embracing the tank – lost 10 in a row and last night got beat by 50pts….yes 50pts! The Hawks also have a roster very low on real talent. Do not overthink this draft :if an elite pass rusher is there at #9 take him ( I prefer JJ to the others) otherwise take Stingley Jr. Great reporting, interviewing, content, and humor Rob. I appreciate you!
Sad news RIP
https://www.nfl.com/news/steelers-qb-dwayne-haskins-dies-at-24-after-being-hit-by-vehicle
While I don’t fancy picking a linebacker in the first round for the second time in 3 years. I understand the pick, I just feel like there is value in round 2 and 3 for my money with an attacking linebacker.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest tho tbh. The Seahawks seem to place value on positions that the rest of the NFL does not.
I much prefer picking from the deep linebacker class at 40, or 41(Tindall, Walker, Chenal), or Troy Anderson at 72.
Invest in the trenches, find a stud RB that aligns with how PETE wants to play ball that can stay on the field.
TAKE THE BEST PLAYER AVAILABLE, at premium positions
I’d love them to take Wyatt, think he could be one of those players a lot of teams regret not taking when they had the chance in a couple of years time
I totally agree on waiting on LB. Go get a stud CB, DE, OT or trade down. I’d even rather have Wyatt for the same reason if no trade partners.
I don’t think there’s a huge drop off from Devin Lloyd to Leo Chenal, Tindall, Christian Harris, or even Chad Muma. Seems like our 2nd rounders are in prime position to get LB value.
Recently watched Leo Chenal’s tape against Iowa where he went up against Linderbaum either lined directly on the LOS, blitzing, and moving in space and he bested Linderbaum several times. Would be my preference with one of our RD2 picks.
Michaels Clemons :-Suspended for 2021 season opener after arrest on charges that
included marijuana possession and unlawful carrying of a weapon.
Well I guess that makes him a Perfect Seahawk.
Don’t sleep on Drew Lock
Shelby Harris
These sorts of “red flags” are things the Seahawks org don’t care at all about. Means nothing. Also these sorts of arrests are pretty easy to stomach (especially the weed stuff) compared to say, beating up a woman. Or molesting 20+ message therapists
Rest in peace young Mr. Haskins
Very disturbing and tragic news.
I remember watching Dwayne Haskins in the rose bowl against the huskies like it was yesterday . Totally shredded apart the UW secondary, which was otherwise a tough unit the rest of that season. He had a lot of talent and I think he would have started in the league again eventually. He was so freaking young. Rip Dwayne.
RIP Dwayne Haskins
Only 24 years old, gone way too soon
I’ll jump in with the RIP Dwayne. Way too damned young.
Rob, any news on a podcast with Tony Pauline? Remember you mentioning about a month ago you’d have him on definitely like previous years, and a maybe on Lance Zierlein. Have you heard anything about why he’s backed away from the Bleav in the Draft podcasts he did almost every week for years? They stopped pre-Senior Bowl and nothing since, and he stopped his weekly segments at Journey to the Draft podcast as well.
Not sure if it’s health problems or just concentrating on his website and doing everything there at PFN. Always looked fwd. every year especially to his daily reviews at the Senior Bowl and Combine. He would also recap the combine and give 10 yd. splits on other positions besides DL, and come up with lots of sleepers/day 3 diamonds in the rough.
Great mock as always. Please have at least a couple or few shows with you and Robbie, Adam or Jeff doing the PFN 7 round mock drafts for the Seahawks like you did last year with Robbie before the draft. Those were very entertaining last year. Thanks again for all you do. Check back every day for all the great content!
Tony and I will definitely be having our usual draft conversation — 100%.
Not sure on the rest and I won’t pry by asking him. He’s been working for the Giants recently and a lot of PFN stuff so it simply could be down to a lack of time.
Definitely — we will do those.
Sad to hear about Haskins. Too young.
RIP
Don’t rest on Drew Lock
Shelby Harris
I fell in love with Lloyd’s play pretty early on and low-key hoped his draft stock wouldn’t rise so we could snag him in the early/mid 2nd. I think he could be an early contributor. I guess it’s nice to see him getting some love though.
Doing the rounds, I caught an interview with Stanford DL/DE Thomas Booker on Brett Kollmann’s Bootleg Football Podcast. Just awesome stuff I can’t recommend enough. And looking into it, he’s a real dude. Tons of off-field activism in the community. Well spoken. Super smart. Just curious if he’s been on your radar at all and any thoughts/insight. Looks like he’s bringing pegged as a late round guy.
Looking forward to more of this year’s killer coverage and analysis. Thanks.