Author: Rob Staton (Page 379 of 422)

Sports Broadcaster, Journalist and creator of Seahawks Draft Blog in 2008.

Landry Jones & Ryan Tannehill not first round QB’s

Landry Jones met Ryan Tannehill in the 'not worth a first round pick' bowl

This was an opportunity for two big name quarterbacks to impress.

Neither did.

Ryan Tannehill (Texas A&M) and Landry Jones (Oklahoma) have received a lot of positive hype this year. It’s far from a consensus, but a lot of people expect Jones to be a top ten pick. Tannehill was a fancied outsider – the kind of player scouts and fans look to in the hope he can add his name to the list of potential stars available in this class. Some high profile draft pundits even touted the possibility that Tannehill may be the second best quarterback eligible for 2012.

Wrong on both accounts.

I’ve seen quite a lot of Tannehill this season (five games) and this was my third batch of tape on Jones (I have a fourth Oklahoma game saved for later vs Kansas State). In each game I’ve seen from the pair this season, I’ve found myself highlighting the same issues. In Jones’ case, a lot of his problems were prevalent last season and there just hasn’t been enough of a leap in 2011 to warrant the kind of grades he’s receiving. Expectations went through the roof for Tannehill – perhaps unfairly – and games like this bring about something of a reality check.

Let’s start with Jones.

It only took until 6:04 remaining in the first quarter before we saw the play. I refer to it as the play because it’s had exagerrated success for Oklahoma this season in the previous two games I’ve seen. I fully expected to see it again today and low and behold, there it was midway through the first quarter. It’s not a hard play to detect – Ryan Broyles and Kenny Stills bunch together on the left and Landry Jones is in the gun. Jones takes the snap, pumps with his shoulder in the direction of Broyles who runs a short inside slant sucking in the coverage to open space down the left sideline for Stills on a fade. It’s the play that won the game against Florida State earlier in the season and it’s become a staple for Jones and the Sooners.

This time it wasn’t so successful – Jones pumped but then strangely floats an under thrown high pass with no touch or direction into coverage and somehow the linebacker drops an easy interception. It was unclear on the replay if the pass was tipped or not, but it was a great precursor to Jones’ overall performance on the day. It was awkward, generally inaccurate and a little predictable. I’ve seen him look a lot sharper than this and I suspect when I dig out the K-State tape that’s what I will find. However, this game raised one of my biggest concerns with Jones.

We saw the exact same play again in the second half and this time it led to a Stills touchdown. As a mere observer when I’m going into a game expecting to see this play once, that’s something. But the Oklahoma offense is based around the same small collection of plays and whether teams can cope with the speed in which they’re snapping the ball to execute these plays. Teams are so scared of Broyles – who is a production machine – they compensate in coverage when he runs anything inside allowing Stills the space to get open in single coverage. Everyone knows they’re gong to run this play eventually yet it still works. It’ll be interesting to see if they go away from it since Broyles unfortunately tore an ACL, but I’d also love to go back through the games since the FSU win and chart how many of Jones’ touchdowns come from this single play. In the NFL, he won’t be able to rely on staple plays. More worrying, I haven’t seen enough evidence of improvisation where Jones is going to a second or third option consistently. Jones is almost handcuffed to his playbook.

We’re not talking about a physically excellent quarterback, or even a big play quarterback who does the unpredictable. This is a guy who generally gets the job done in college – he executes his small playbook well enough to make the most of the talent he has to work with and let’s give credit where it’s due – he has to make this thing tick. He’s achieved that and from a college point of view, he’s done an excellent job avoiding any post-Sam Bradford hangover for the Sooners.

However, I really believe that he’s quite a limited player and at the next level he’ll just be found out like so many quarterbacks before him. When the environment isn’t perfect, neither is Jones. When things break down, he won’t improvise. One of the biggest issues I have is a complete lack of mobility. Ryan Mallett was labelled a statue last year, but he knew how to work a pre-snap read and had the ability to get the ball out quickly with accuracy to avoid outside pressure. He also – surprisingly – flashed ability to extend plays with footwork (he dodged Von Miller twice against Texas A&M last season to complete passes, one for a touchdown). Jones has nothing like this level of technical or mental ability. He takes unnecessary sacks when offered an open pocket to step into to buy time. He won’t round the edge and get out of the pocket. Get him moving on the run and nine times out of ten the ball’s going out of bounds. His footwork is plodding and weighted and if you take away his first read there’s every chance you’ll get to him.

I often get asked for the positive side of things – sometimes we can be too focused on the negatives and arguing why a player doesn’t warrant the hype rather than a balanced review of pro’s and con’s. If you want me to write down a handful of nice things to say about Landry Jones, I can do that for you. He has passable arm strength, decent height and a throwing motion that’s slightly 3/4 but he doesn’t have many passes batted down at the LOS (unlike Tannehill, more on that later). Like most quarterbacks with any reputation in college, he does a good job when afforded a clean pocket and he flashes his ability to throw his hot read open. There are a lot of blind throws in the OU offense, but there are also several passes that do require some touch and when given time he can be accurate at times it just isn’t consistent enough to be the positive it needs to be. His production is excellent and had Oklahoma stayed unbeaten he could’ve been a Heisman candidate. His two touchdown passes were both nice plays on the day – one coming on the wide open fade to Stills and the other a catch-able back shoulder throw to Jaz Reynolds who made a spectacular one-handed grab.

Here’s the bottom line though – I wouldn’t draft Landry Jones. I cannot see him ever succeeding at the next level. His best situation would be to land on a team with an experienced offensive coaching staff and a defined scheme that doesn’t require a lot of pocket mobility (most teams see mobility as being crucial these days). Allow him to master a playbook and groom him to replace a succesful veteran who still has miles on the clock. Of course, that’s an ideal situation for any quarterback entering the NFL – but for some it’s more necessary than others and Jones fits into that category. If he starts early, he’ll struggle. He won’t be able to digest complex defensive reads, he’ll take too many sacks and with greater pressure and a less fluid offense he’ll turn the ball over. There are no logical reasons for any team to touch the guy in the top half of round one and I suspect by the time April arrives his stock will be lower than it is right now.

What about Tannehill?

I’ve been more negative than most about his play so far this year. He entered 2011 a really intriguing prospect – this was a guy who took over the starting gig at Texas A&M last season converting from receiver and he just won games. He beat Jones and Oklahoma, he beat Oklahoma State, Baylor and Texas. His only defeat came in the Cotton Bowl to LSU – currently the #1 ranked college team before tonight’s game against Alabama. He’s big, he’s athletic and he appears to have the right attitude. Understandably, people bought into his potential.

The hype went too high, too soon. A guy who ended last year with modest round 3/4 range grades was suddenly touted as possibly the second best QB to Andrew Luck – ahead of Matt Barkley. Big plays were being received with nods of approval and premature ‘I told you so’s’ about his potential, while negative plays (and there have been a few) were greeted by naysayers calling out those creating the hype. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Tannehill has physical qualities that are attractive, but he’s not anywhere close to anything like an established or technical passer. There is so much he has to learn to play quarterback in the NFL and the question is whether or not he’ll be able to do that considering we only have 1.5 seasons of college tape to make a projection.

Here’s what happened today and this was as poor a performance I’ve seen from Tannehill so far.

With 2:31 left in the first quarter, Tanehill takes the snap in the gun and locks on to his primary receiver. He stays with the receiver for three seconds – which was too long – and really needed to progress to another option. He sticks in the pocket and eventually turns to the sideline and unwisely forces a pass into double coverage which is easily picked off for a big interception return. It was a very poor decision to attempt that pass, at no point should it have been an option and it was proof of a quarterback feeling pressure from his blind side, panicking and making an avoidable mistake.

It highlighted a significant issue I have with Tannehill – he locks on to his primary target too often and for whatever reason (experience or because he’s incapable of doing it) he doesn’t do a good enough job getting away from his hot read. In each game I’ve watched Tannehill this season I’ve seen a quarterback too attached to the first option that he becomes tentative, sometimes waiting for clear separation before attempting the pass. If it doesn’t come, he’ll panic and sensing pressure (that isn’t always there) he forces mistakes. He needs to show much greater poise, timing, awareness of not only his position and that of the defensive lineman and better decision making. On this particular play against Oklahoma he could’ve easily run a bootleg to the right getting out of the pocket – it would’ve bought as many as 4-5 extra seconds to complete a pass or as a secondary option he could’ve chosen to run with the ball – the space was that substantial on the right boot leg. Instead he forces the throw and turns it over.

There are two technical complaints I have. Firstly, he’s quite robotic in his throwing motion and looks stiff. It doesn’t appear to be a natural motion and while this is something he can improve with a good quarterbacks coach (and by simply relaxing a little) he doesn’t have a natural flow in the same way a lot of high first round picks have shown. Secondly, he has a 3/4 release which is too low for my liking. At his height, he shouldn’t be having the number of tipped passes we see. Some quarterbacks (like Landry Jones) get away with it, but not Tannehill. His second interception came from one of these tipped passes and he almost had another in the second half. He’ll need to straighten out that delivery during the senior bowl and subsequent work outs.

The third interception may have been the worst of the lot – a desperate throw chasing the game just lobbed up for grabs down the right sideline. This just isn’t good enough in general, it was maybe the worst throw I’ve seen this season. He’s under no pressure and breaks out of the pocket this time with a clean line of vision to Jeff Fuller. He can clearly see the receiver is not only covered, but he’s got into a bad position with his back turned and the DB is facing the football. Tannehill cannot throw that pass under any circumstance. At least with the first pick there was moderate pressure from Frank Alexander and it was just a bad decision on his second read. He’s locked onto Fuller here and just forced an interception. It’s the kind of play you just don’t see from Andrew Luck, Matt Barkley, Robert Griffin, Landry Jones, Austin Davis or Brandon Weeden. It’s the kind of lazy turnover Nick Foles makes.

Again we can run through the positives and unlike Jones we’re not talking about a limited physical prospect. Tannehill is a mobile player who can extend plays while also making significant gains on the ground. His touch on deep passes is generally good. His poise is inconsistent but on a key 3rd and 6 from inside his own end zone I liked the fact he was patient enough for Ryan Swope to get open before making the completion for a nice gain. On the touchdown pass just before half time, Tannehill has perfect protection and must’ve been tempted to run the ball when nobody was open initially – the first down may well have been achievable running the ball. However, he keeps his eyes downfield and when Swope breaks coverage it’s an easy pass for a big score. That flashed good decision making to contrast the bad turnovers and at least suggests there is something to work with in that regard.

The inexperience issue can be used both as a positive and a negative, but there’s enough of an unknown there to wonder ‘what if’? Of course unknown development holding a clipboard isn’t even a real intangible and while someone like Jake Locker boasted real physical and playmaking potential, Tannehill is far from that level. I wouldn’t rule out Tannehill the way I’d rule out Jones, I just have very little confidence that in a few years time we’ll be talking about him as a starting NFL quarterback. It was incredibly ambitious to ever even suggest he could possibly be graded higher than Matt Barkley – who is far superior in terms of a NFL projection. I’d grade him in rounds 3-4 and whether he goes higher than that in my view will depend on a teams desperation to fill a hole at quarterback.

I do feel slightly vindicated watching a game like this. For me it has always been about Luck and Barkley in round one – hardly an ambitious suggestion, but certainly not a common one given it doesn’t include the likes of Jones, Tannehill etc. Too many people have tried to create problems with Barkley, when the reality is he’s a tremendously accurate and technical passer primed to have a quick impact in the NFL. We all know about Andrew Luck. The rest of the group aren’t anywhere close to the top-two. The one wildcard is Robert Griffin III – a major project but one in possession of a lot of intriguing physical tools, elite character and rare consistency with the deep ball in terms of accuracy, touch and placement. Not every team will be able to draft Griffin early and he’s a long way off Cam Newton type potential, but there is something there. Remember to keep an eye on Austin Davis too – he’s the reason Southern Miss are ranked and another victory today at East Carolina will boost that reputation further.

If you’re looking for a first round quarterback who can come in and have a very real chance to lead your team for over a decade, the list starts with Luck and ends with Barkley. The Seahawks should let someone else take a chance on Jones and Tannehill.

Andrew Luck trade a possiblity?

Andrew Luck will go first overall, but who makes the pick?

Would Indianapolis pass on Andrew Luck if they pick first overall?

The Colts are drifting towards an 0-16 season and the obvious conclusion is they’ll draft Andrew Luck as the heir apparent to Peyton Manning. It’s a complete formality, right?

Manning will have four years left to run on a $90m contract in 2012, taking him through to the age of forty. Holding a clipboard for 3-4 years may not sit well with a young player who would otherwise expect to start quickly. I can’t see the Luck camp accepting such a situation, where essentially he’s cast into the wilderness indefinitely. Every quarterback can benefit learning from a guy like Manning, but the NFL and everyone working for Luck will want him part of the league now, not in 2015.

Peyton Manning essentially built the Indianapolis Colts and as we’ve seen this year, he’s made a bad team a perennial contender. It’s not just the on-field success either – that new stadium is down to Manning’s impact. The fact they sell season tickets is down to Manning. The front office and coaching staff owe their reputations to Manning. Is his reward going to be an on-going quarterback controversy until he finally retires?

It also makes little sense for Indy to contemplate keeping Luck as potential trade bait if Manning does make a full recovery. If you’re going to get a package of picks for the guy, get them so they can help the elite quarterback you already own. The Colts made their $90m commitment to Manning knowing he had an injury – they will surely stand by the man that has basically made several undeserved reputations?

A trade might be more likely than you first think. Of course it sounds great – draft Luck and have this seamless progression at quarterback. The reality is much more complicated and I doubt the Luck camp will sit by quietly and encourage a situation where the man is kept off a football field. It’s unusual to have a team still in possession of a quarterback like Manning being quite this bad, even in his absence. A team like Cleveland withtwo first round picks in 2012 could be an ideal trade partner. Clevelands send the two #1’s to Indianapolis and their first rounder in 2013 for the rights to Luck. Holmgren gets his quarterback, Indy has four first round picks in 2012 and 2013 to stock up for 3-4 more title tilts with Peyton. They’d also still have plenty of time to groom an eventual replacement, it just won’t be the most high profile college quarterback since Manning himself.

It’d make real sense for the Browns who need a quarterback and a.) have a pretty good offensive line and b.) spent three high picks in the last two years building their defense (Joe Haden, Phil Taylor, Jabaal Sheard). Sure, they’d be losing three potential first rounders – but what an opportunity to draft a quarterback to make that franchise relevant. Luck would surely jump at the chance to work on Holmgren’s patch as a day one starter and it’s a team he can quickly make his own. Indianapolis could add a pair of impact players on offense in 2012 (Trent Richardson? David DeCastro?) while maintaining two further first round picks the following year – either of which could still be spent on a quarterback for the future.

Like I said, I have a hard time imagining the Luck camp accepting a situation where their man is benched for the foreseeable future and kept in the shadows. It may still be unlikely, but it also makes a lot of sense for all concerned. It might not be a foregone conclusion though that a trade is impossible and a team like Cleveland has the ammunition to make it happen.

Root for Miami to pick first overall

Seahawks fans need to hope the Miami Dolphins are picking first overall next April. Why? Because if they don’t have a shot at Andrew Luck, they’ll almost certainly be drafting the next best quarterback on the board – Matt Barkley. If the top two guys leave the board that early, it could cause a rush on quarterbacks even greater than last year. Even picking 8th overall (as Seattle would if the season ended now) could possibly only be good enough for the fourth best quarterback. Remember, there isn’t a string of elite defensive players in this year’s class to draw attention away from the quarterbacks.

This is how bizarre the situation could be – put Miami at #1 instead of the Colts and Barkley could realistically fall to the Seahawks in that #8 overall range. There’s no guarantee Indianapolis will simply go for the next best quarterback if Luck is gone – I’d say it’s unlikely the Colts would just turn to Barkley. St. Louis, Arizona, Jacksonville, Carolina and Minnesota aren’t drafting a quarterback in 2012 – leaving teams like Seattle, Denver and Washington (among others) to scrap it out.

Certainly it could make life a lot easier for the Seahawks if Miami had the #1 overall pick and not Indianapolis.

NFL Mocks interview

This week I took some time to talk to Jesse Bartolis at NFL Mocks. You can see the Q&A session here and don’t forget to make Jesse’s site a regular part of your draft intake.

An alternative take on Luck vs Barkley

Wes Bunting at the NFP has a good write up on Saturday’s Stanford vs USC encounter. I agree with a lot of what Wes has to say here, particularly the assessment of how Luck performed and how it may help his continued development.

Quarterback rankings

Tony Pauline’s Draft Insider is a must visit – absolutely integral reading. Tony published his quarterback rankings this week with four players graded in round one – Luck, Barkley, Robert Griffin and Landry Jones. I agree with the order of the top three – although I’m still debating where I actually want to grade Griffin. I’m a little disappointed that Pauline moved away from his pre-season mid-round grade for Oklahoma’s Jones, although this may be based on what he’s hearing from some NFL scouts. I suspect Jones will divide opinion among the teams, with some grading him much higher than others. My own rankings would be slightly different after the top three – Austin Davis at Southern Miss would be my fourth ranked quarterback ahead of both Jones and Ryan Tannehill.

Barkley vs Luck – Seahawks would pick 8th

Apologies for the lack of updates this weekend – internet access hasn’t been as forthcoming as hoped during this trip back to the PNW.

Matt Barkley vs Andrew Luck

I fought off the jet lag to stay awake during the marathon encounter between USC and Stanford. It actually proved to be a very similar meeting to last year’s game – closely fought with a nail biting finish. The other piece of deja vu? I actually thought Matt Barkley performed better than Andrew Luck.

There is an awful lot to like about Luck and of course he’s going to be the #1 overall pick next April. If you break down all the physical aspects of being a quarterback, Luck will be superior to Barkley. However, Barkley has a vital edge.

This was the first time I’d seen Luck pressured this season – the USC defensive line provided something akin to the kind of pressure Luck will face at the next level. Usually, Luck is given carte blanche to run the offense how he sees fit, picking his passes and allowing a dominating run game to prosper. In three years starting, Luck has been sacked a mere 16 times in total. To put that into perspective, Matt Barkley was sacked 16 times in 2010 alone. Luck’s quick release, understanding of defensive reads and mobility have played a part in his low number of sacks, but it’s one cog in what is essentially a machine of an offense.

The two sacks registered by USC in this game doubled Stanford’s total conceded for the season. This game offered a rare insight into how Luck copes with pressure and to be perfectly honest, he looked flustered. The Trojans got into his head and it led to mistakes. The touchdown interception was uncharacteristic, but then so was the pressure Stanford’s quarterback was facing. His accuracy – usually pinpoint – dropped a few notches. Suddenly the guy looked human.

That’s not to say this was a poor performance that will impact his draft stock – it wasn’t and it won’t. However, it showed that there’s still work to be done if Luck is going to become the player most expect him to be. Maybe this was the game he needed in terms of his development? After all, he settled down well after the pick six to lead a touchdown drive and negotiate three over times for the victory. He is going to face pressure like that every week at the next level – particularly early in his career for a bad team – and he has to learn to deal with it.

Barkley on the other hand is already at that level and this was evidenced again on Saturday. He’s composed in the pocket when challenged, he knows how to buy that extra split second to complete a pass. I thought this was another tremendous performance again flashing high on-field IQ – making good decisions, progressing through his reads and getting the ball to his playmakers. In the first half he was let down big time by his receivers – particularly a far from 100% Robert Woods. I counted one bad pass that asked too much of his target.

Give the guy even a mediocre line, a good running back and a few guys to throw to and he can be the next Matt Ryan. He doesn’t have elite physical tools, but everything else that matters in the game (accuracy, touch, decision making, experience in a pro-offense, character, experience making multiple reads) is top notch. And when we talk about a lack of elite size or arm strength, it’s not that either are a major weakness. Barkley has sneaky mobility and will be able to a.) extend plays and b.) make plays on the ground to keep a drive going. Barkley can get a football down field at a level that will test an NFL secondary.

These last two performances against Notre Dame and Stanford have me as convinced as everthat Barkley is primed for a successful career at the next level and that he thoroughly deserves a high first round grade. A lot of the issues that will he will be faced with as a rookie – such as learning a playbook on the run, dealing with pressure behind a suspect line and having to be the key part of a growing team – he will have faced at USC.

That’s not to say he’ll be a pro-bowl QB in year one, but I have no reason to believe he can’t be introduced in the same way as Matt Ryan. Atlanta made life easier for their young QB by investing in Michael Turner, Tony Gonzalez and a new left tackle within 12 months of drafting Ryan third overall. Eventually, they made the splash for another receiver in Julio Jones. The Seahawks already have their left tackle, they’ve already invested in a wide receiver (Sidney Rice) and an expensive tight end (Zach Miller). Seattle is ready for a quarterback of Barkley’s caliber to come in and lead this team for the foreseeable future.

Will he declare? It’s still up for discussion, although Lane Kiffin says he’s ready almost with a resigned tone. Kiffin also says it’s more about what he wants to do, and I can see the argument that says he’ll stay for a fourth year as the starter at USC. However, with Matt Kalil almost certainly turning pro and if he receives a high grade from the draft committee, the scene is set for the next stage of Barkley’s career. He needs to strike while the iron is hot – and I suspect it’ll be burning by the end of the year.

Seahawks would be picking 8th

Here is the current draft order heading into week nine of the NFL season:

#1 Indianapolis
#2 Miami
#3 Arizona
#4 St. Louis
#5 Carolina
#6 Jacksonville
#7 Minnesota
#8 Seattle
#9 Denver
#10 Washington

A lot can happen between now and the new year and the Seahawks do have some winnable games remaining on their schedule. However, I expect this is quite likely to be the range Seattle is picking next April. Without doubt, the Seahawks need to draft a quarterback. Yes – Tarvaris Jackson has performed perhaps better than people expected so far. No – Pete Carroll cannot afford his legacy to rest upon Jackson’s ability to take this team forward.

John Clayton mentioned on ESPN 710 this week: “If they don’t get a quarterback in the draft next year, their whole coaching staff will be gone.” It wasn’t intended to be a defining statement as a result of whether the team does indeed draft a quarterback or not, rather a review of what will inevitably happen. There needs to be a long term plan in place for the offense that you will never achieve signing quarterbacks to two-year deals. If the Seahawks really believe Tarvaris Jackson is ‘the guy’ they need to sign him to a five-year extension now and make that clear. Otherwise, this issue will linger on until a statement of intent is made.

Right now the offense looks like a patchwork job. There’s a young offensive line learning on the run, quarterbacks coming and going due to injury, new playmakers being bedded into the team and the tap runs hot and cold for every piece of this unit. The offensive line isn’t helped by a mixed bag of execution by the playmakers and the quarterbacks/running backs are not helped by the offensive line being green and facing defensive fronts that simply don’t respect Seattle’s playmakers.

It’s a difficult situation for Pete Carroll. This season hasn’t been a step back in performance – it’s pretty similar overall and maybe even improved in certain areas. What has changed is the fact there’s another team in this division that suddenly has it’s act together. Let’s not forget that last season was a losing effort at 7-9 – and it would’ve been worse had the Seahawks not been competing in a woeful NFC West. Of those seven wins four came within the division and a fifth came against the NFL’s worst team (Carolina). The two other wins came courtesy of a special performance from Leon Washington against San Diego and an impressive victory in Chicago (similar to this year’s win in New York).

Two year’s into this regime there’s been a lot of turnover and predictably some mixed results. However, by year three I suspect people will expect to see further progress – especially in what remains a very winnable division. This will coincide with the possibility of drafting a rookie QB and needing to give them time – whether that’s on the field or holding a clipboard. Ultimately this is why the Seahawks cannot afford to ignore the QB position any longer. This time next year people may be willing to accept more defeats if the quarterback for the future is being primed – that will buy further time for ‘Project Carroll’ to unfold.

However, being 2-5 next year having avoided the quarterback position again probably won’t be tolerable to many people. Right now, this team looks like a 2-5 team in the worst division in the NFL. Fans, owners, the media – they need the kind of hope you can’t get with improving run defense and some nice personnel moves at positions like cornerback and safety. This franchise needs the player it’s foundations will be built around for the long haul. You can’t get cute when it comes to the QB position, and the teams that fudge the issue get left behind.

All Tarvaris Jackson can do is prove he’s capable of holding the fort until the next guy is ready. This team cannot avoid drafting a quarterback next year. Of course it’s not just about drafting any player, so that’s why you have to be aggressive if he’s out of your reach. Waiting for the ideal player to fall into your lap is kind of like waiting to win the lottery.

The week ahead

Tomorrow I’ll be flying back to Vancouver for a week, this will include a flying visit to Seattle for the Seahawks/Bengals game on Sunday. I’m hoping to keep the blog ticking over as usual, but if it’s a little slower over the next seven days you’ll know why. I’ve programmed the Stanford vs USC game to record and also the Oklahoma vs Kansas State game, but hopefully I’ll arrive in Canada in time to watch both.

For now, here’s tape on a couple of defensive lineman (thanks to Mario_clp) – Brandon Thompson (DT, Clemson) and Kendall Reyes (DT, Connecticut).

Robert Griffin III is intriguing

Yesterday we highlighted Robert Griffin III’s tape against Texas A&M from the weekend. Overall I found it to be an impressive performance, strangely more impressive than Griffin’s highlight reel display against TCU in week one. The game with the Horned Frogs was a bit of a freak show – repetitive long bombs that made for great viewing but provided more questions than answers. Was this something the Bears had worked on during a long off-season to surprise TCU given Baylor’s strict screen game? Was it just a rank bad performance by a secondary that had previously impressed? Was it a one-off spectacular?

I was leaning more towards scepticism than excitement after watching Griffin’s tape against Rice. The screen game was back and some of the old flaws were still screaming out. There’s no getting around the basic footwork issues that require major work at the next level. For starters, Griffin needs to get rid of the dance moves in the pocket – he often takes two steps without advancing or retreating, before needing to re-set to release.

It’s like watching Justin Timberlake trying to lead a Big 12 offense and it’ll cause problems at the next level because it adds wasted time to the complete motion of delivering the football. In the NFL Griffin may only get a small window of opportunity to find an open receiver, he needs to quicken up the time it takes to drop back and release to give himself the best possible opportunity to hit the target. Secondly, pass rushers at the next level don’t need very long to get free and even if they’re not getting the sack there’s always the chance they’ll force a splash via a deflected pass or by taking away one side of the field.

Griffin being such a good athlete compensates for this wasted time and often he’s able to move out of the pocket to extend plays either by running or throwing. The potential is there to become an even more spectacular player with proper pro-coaching on his footwork, but it’s one of the hardest things a young quarterback has to embrace. Neither is it an unusual thing – Joe Flacco had to learn every basic fundamental of becoming a pro-passer when he was drafted by Baltimore and he still had an impact as a rookie starter. It helps that Flacco’s deep ball was such a threat from day one, but Griffin similarly is a gifted downfield passer.

Bringing it back to the Texas A&M game to talk about the positives, I was surprised at how rounded Griffin looked as a passing quarterback. There were several instances where he visibly went from one target to another and wasn’t afraid to attempt a difficult throw rather than look for checkdowns. The Baylor offense doesn’t use a lot of checkdown stuff, it really is screen-heavy with downfield passing and some intermediate routes. Even so, the big issue I have with quarterbacks like Kevin Kolb is the frequency they play safe to checkdown. Griffin is almost the anti-Kolb but not in a bad way – he’s pretty accurate on downfieldthrows and he’s got a good feel for the football, knowing when to take something off the ball or to go high/low to avoid coverage. I don’t anticipate he’ll change much at the next level, taking what he’s given downfield if possible, but being wise enough to know when to checkdown.

If you look at yesterday’s video and the touchdown pass at 3:47 – that’s a brilliant play. It’s only a short completion, but Griffin disects two defenders and recognises he needs to throw low to avoid them. There’s a greater risk that the pass will be incomplete, but there’s virtually zero chances of a turnover. It’s that kind of execution and quick thinking that will impress NFL scouts.

The athletic side of Griffin’s game speaks for itself – he will run a good forty yard dash at the combine and he’s got the double positive of being elusive in the pocket to extend plays and a threat running the ball if he finds a lane. 

I find it hard to find a par comparison for the player Griffin could be in the NFL. He’s not Michael Vick. At Virginia Tech Vick had 636 yards from 113 attempts with nine touchdowns the year before he turned pro. Vick actually only threw 179 passes that year for 1439 yards and a mediocre 9-7 touchdown-turnover ratio. Griffin works in a completely different offense and has been a much more productive passer throughout his career (3501 yards last season) but less of an explosive rusher (635 yards in 2010 from 149 carries). Essentially it took Vick 46 less carries to reach the same yardage as Griffin managed in 2010. Vick is such a phenomena that we may never see a player with his physical potential again. It’s not just on a production basis that the two differ, there are also physical and athletic differences. Griffin is a brilliant athlete, but he isn’t Mike Vick.

I’ve also seen comparisons to Cam Newton, but again I think they are wide of the mark. I cannot stress enough how impressive Newton was/is. Despite a lot of negative press last year at Auburn, he carried that team through his own sheer brilliance. I suspect in a few years time we may well talk about Newton in the same way we talk about Vick – this is a rare breed of player that will bring his own unique twist to the NFL. Griffin is a safer pair of hands than Newton when it comes to decision making, character and controlling an offense, but Newton is just a complete superstar. He’s harder to control and manage, but you don’t want to control or manage him. You let the guy loose, you let him make big plays using his own talent and instinct. Griffin is much more of a project than Vick or Newton and can’t be expected to have the same impact early in his NFL career.

According to my sources Seattle didn’t grade Newton particularly highly. I suspect this is because they’re looking for a quarterback who can fit into a scheme and help control a possession offense and help win a turnover battle (whether that’s the correct way of viewing Seattle’s needs at QB is another debate completely). Newton would never fit into that way of life – he’s someone who won’t be controlled on the field and will have turnovers in his career. However, he’ll also keep you competitive in most games because of his pure individual talent. If Newton finds a level of consistency he could become a NFL great. That will be his greatest battle though, and I suspect he’ll always be somewhat unpredictable. That may not be what Pete Carroll wants for his offense.

Blaine Gabbert, Colin Kaepernick, and Andy Dalton were all listed above Newton on Seattle’s board. Jake Locker – another precocious but unpredictable talent – was ranked at #6. I suspect someone like Griffin may interest the Seahawks given his low number of turnovers (13 in four years compared to 61 touchdowns), his impressive on and off field intelligence, decision making and ability to extend plays. I can’t stress enough how impressive Griffin the individual is. The players at Baylor see him as a leader and put their necks on the line for him. His interviews are always conducted with respect and without attitude. He has a high level of book smarts and a work rate that is clear given his continued progress. This brings me onto my final point…

The one thing teams love to see more than anything is progress. Matt Barkley has made progress every year at USC – whether it’s technique, production or decision making. Andrew Luck – despite setting high bars in 2010 – has actually managed to continue to progress. Yet both players entered college as talented, natural quarterbacks. Griffin’s progress is maybe more impressive because he was an athlete who has transformed into a passing quarterback. Go back and find tape of Griffin’s freshman year and tell me that’s a guy with any NFL quarterback potential. Even last year I watched Baylor and wondered if I could muster a late round grade for the guy. Now? We’re talking about him in a whole new light.

He has worked at his craft and it shows. Griffin doesn’t just deserve immense credit, he’ll be making people sit up and take notice. He may not declare for the 2012 draft and he’s looked at the possibility of attending law school if he stays at Baylor for a 5th year (he was granted a medical redshirt in 2009). If he does declare, he’ll star at the combine in work outs and in the meeting rooms. Teams are going to fall in love with this guy – from an athletic, academic and personal perspective.

For those reasons, there’s every chance he could end up being a very high pick indeed. Would I pull the trigger? I’m still not convinced, because he is a long term project and there are lingering issues that would concern me enough to put me off investing a high pick. Someone will be convinced though when it’s time to make the decision and that’s the crucial thing when trying to project where he’ll go in the draft. I wouldn’t completely rule out that someone being Pete Carroll or John Schneider.

To learn more about Robert Griffin III, check out this USA Today article by Kelly Whiteside.

Robert Griffin III (QB, Baylor) vs Texas A&M

Thanks to Mario_clp for supplying the tape

This is actually the most impressed I’ve been with Griffin, this felt like a more complete performance than the TCU game in week one which was essentially a cluster of big plays. There’s a lot to like about Griffin the individual and he’s continuing to improve with every game. The jury is still out as to whether he can convince NFL scouts that he can become a rounded pro-quarterback, but he’s a fun player to watch and he has the ideal attitude to become a success at the next level.

At this stage I’d find it hard to project where his stock could fall should he declare. His footwork needs a complete re-work and there are other technical issues, but he also has a very pretty (and accurate) deep ball and he extends plays as well as any quarterback you’ll find in college football. He’s clearly a great athlete. I know what my own grade would be, but I just have this nagging feeling that there’s a team out there that will be prepared to take him much higher.

Monday notes: Seahawks would be picking 8th

There’s something about Matt

I’m a little bit confused by the way people are reporting Matt Barkley’s pro-potential. The most bizarre thing I think I’ve read all year was Todd McShay’s justification for having him at #22 on his big board. Here’s how McShay described Barkley:

Barkley is a natural leader with a high football IQ and good short-to-intermediate accuracy and touch and a quick release and adequate arm strength to make all the NFL throws

That sounds pretty good to me, just what the Seahawks and several other teams could use right now. Such is the importance of the quarterback position, I don’t believe you can judge them in the same way as other players. To me, if you don’t have a franchise quarterback and a player is worth taking in round one it doesn’t matter whether that’s 2nd overall or 22nd you draft the guy. Once you invest that round one pick in a quarterback, you’re making a statement that this is your man. The implementation of a rookie pay scale increases that belief, making any round one quarterback completely affordable and removing some of the previous horrific cap-crisis risk.

If there’s a quarterback with high football IQ, who’s a natural leader, with good accuracy, touch and a quick release with the arm strength to make all the NFL throws (McShay’s words) why isn’t he in the top ten?

To compound matters, McShay also has some strange picks ahead of Barkley. Melvin Ingram (DE, South Carolina) has made some big plays this year, no question about it. However, he’s 6-2 / 270lbs and looks like an undersized defensive tackle. He has no obvious role in the NFL, he’s a classic tweener. Sure, he’s athletic for his size and he’s created a bit of a niche for himself with the Gamecocks, but a round one pick? Really?

What about another player in Courtney Upshaw (DE/OLB, Alabama) described by McShay as, “a DE/OLB tweener who won’t fit in with all teams.” Alameda Ta’amu (NT, Washington) is above Barkley, so is talented but problematic Janoris Jenkins (CB, North Alabama).

There’s no rhyme or reason to the Barkley grade especially given the glowing review that accompanies it. I suspect it’s because there’s a fashionable opinion right now to describe Barkley as an unspectacular athlete. Only this weekend Wes Bunting at the NFP tweeted, “USC QB Matt Barkley isn’t the most gifted kid, but is in complete control of offense.” How do we define gifted these days? Arm strength and running ability? Cam Newton had lots of that, but strangely a number of high profile pundits (read: nearly every single one of them) held back from pumping his tires last year because he lacked a lot of the plus points Barkley has such as the technique and football IQ.

It bemuses me why there’s such a difference of opinion on Barkley, who looks every bit a brilliant QB prospect to me just in different ways to the Newton’s of this world. Maybe I’ll be proven wrong down the line and he won’t live up to the expectations I have for his career. However, I firmly believe that if he declares and the Seahawks are fortunate enough to be in position to draft him next April they shouldn’t be thinking about any other player in the draft. With Pete Carroll running the show, at least the best qualified person to judge Barkley is making the final call – whether he’s drafted by the Seahawks or not.

**To see game tape of Matt Barkley leading USC to victory over rivals Notre Dame last Saturday, check the video at the top of this blog post courtesy of JMPasq**

Seahawks would pick 8th

If the season ended today (FAO those who watched the Browns game – it won’t) the Seahawks would own the 8th overall pick according to our friends at NE Patriots Draft. The following teams would be picking before Seattle: Indianapolis, St. Louis, Miami, Minnesota, Arizona, Jacksonville and Carolina.

The most important question is how many of those realistically would be in the market for a quarterback and it’s pretty clear the answer is two. That could change if the Colts don’t own the #1 pick because they won’t necessarily look for the next best quarterback if they miss out on Andrew Luck. If a similar scenario presented itself next April it would be in Seattle’s best interests for Miami to pick first, take Luck away from Indianapolis and potentially giving the Seahawks a realistic shot at whichever quarterback they rank #2 on the board.

On Sunday I was in London to watch the Chicago-Tampa Bay game at Wembley. Using two phones (my battery died) I kept up with the Seahawks game, leading to a very disappointing four hour journey home afterwards knowing Cleveland had won my a meagre 6-3 scoreline. This is still a team in rebuilding mode, but I came away with two striking conclusions (I had a lot of time to think during that four hours)…

Firstly, the Seahawks are the worst kind of bad team at the moment. The injuries are mounting up, yet there’s still enough quality there to win football games. Seattle’s in that middle ground area, seemingly out of realistic playoff consideration (unless San Francisco implodes) but not awful enough to grab a top-five pick. There’s still two games against hopeless St. Louis and a further encounter with the equally poor Cardinals. Home games against Washington and Cincinnati are certainly manageable. Seven wins wouldn’t be a total shock, but it’s not going to be enough to fluke a playoff berth this year. I’m not one of those people who wants the team to deliberately lose for draft position – evidenced by the fact I’m travelling 5000 miles to Seattle this weekend for the Bengals game. However, if it’s a case of picking 8th or 15th come the end of the season, the team would significantly benefit more by owning the earlier pick.

We all know why and that brings me on to point two…

This team absolutely cannot for any longer delay the acquisition of a long term quarterback. Let’s beat this drum until it bursts. No more stop gaps, no more trades or re-treads picked up in free agency. Next off season will be the introduction to year three of this regime and front office – it’s time they put their faith and investment in ‘their guy’. If it costs picks to move up, so be it. It will be unacceptable if this team doesn’t address that situation next April. Of course, we may review this if Matt Barkley and a lot of the other underclassmen simply don’t declare because the team can’t draft a guy who’s not physically available. However, if everyone declares as expected it’s time to end this tiresome debate once and for all.

Congratulations to Austin Davis

Regulars will know I rate Southern Miss quarterback Austin Davis very highly indeed. This week not only did he lead his team to a great win over SMU, he was also named as a finalist for the CLASS award which is given to a NCAA FBS senior who has notable achievements in four areas: community, classroom, character and competition. Davis has already graduated with a degree in business administration and has broken many of Brett Favre’s old records for the Golden Eagles.

We’re striving to supply more Southern Miss tape this year to try and raise awareness for a player who really deserves a lot more attention than he’s getting.

Logan Harrell continues to impact games

Another sleeper who deserves more credit is Fresno State defensive lineman Logan Harrell. He had another sack at the weekend in Fresno’s loss to Nevada. In 1.8 seasons for the Bulldogs, Harrell has 15.5 sacks and a cluster of tackles for a loss. He’s constantly in the backfield and although he doesn’t carry elite size to play inside, he’ll have a role in the NFL predominantly as a five-technique who can move inside on third downs.

Harrell is also the proud owner of a world class moustache, which warrants an even higher grade than usual.

Saturday’s quarterback round-up

Austin Davis (QB, Southern Miss) led the Golden Eagles to an impressive 27-3 victory over SMU. This was a Mustangs team who recently defeated TCU with prolific offensive production, on Saturday they managed three points. Davis whad 266 passing yards going 27/37. He had one touchdown pass and an interception and added 31 yards on the ground from nine attempts.

Matt Barkley (QB, USC) had three touchdown passes, no turnovers and 224 yards through the air as the Trojans defeated Notre Dame 31-17 in South Bend. People have said Barkley can’t win the big games, this is the counter. For the season he’s throwing 68% completions, has a 16-4 touchdown-to-interception ratio and he’s on pace to top 3000 passing yards for the first time in his career. Scouts look for progress, all of those numbers are way up on his true-sophomore year.

Landry Jones (QB, Oklahoma) suffered a shock defeat to Texas Tech which ends any hopes of an achievable BCS Championship appearance. Jones finished with five touchdowns and a pick, with 412 yards going 30/55. I haven’t seen the game so can’t judge his performance. The numbers suggest defensively Oklahoma blew this game. However, this is a loaded team and losing sloppy games like this has been a problem for Jones in the past.

Andrew Luck (QB, Stanford) didn’t have to exert too much energy in Stanford’s 65-21 win over Washington. I have the tape of this game and will be watching it later this week. Luck went 16/21 for 169 yards and two touchdowns.

Ryan Tannehill (QB, Texas A&M) also had a comfortable day defeating Iowa State 33-17. Tannehill’s stat line read 23/42 for 249 yards and three touchdowns. The 5.9 yards per attempt average was surprisingly low, however.

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