Friday draft notes: Marcus Davenport is legit

— Yesterday I watched three UTSA games to have a closer look at pass rusher Marcus Davenport. He is legit. The Baylor and Texas State games have me convinced he could go in the top-10. He isn’t just another hyped up smaller school prospect. He has a rare skill set. You don’t see many defensive ends with the quickness to close in space, the strength to one-arm bull rush an offensive tackle into the back field and the get-off to dominate with a speed rush. He is sudden and aggressive — playing with a high intensity and a violent edge. Davenport looks like Demarcus Ware in terms of size and athleticism. Ware, who attended Troy, was the #11 pick in 2005. With a good Senior Bowl and combine that’ll be the range Davenport lands too.

If you want to watch the Baylor and Texas State games, here are the links: Baylor, Texas State.

Tony Pauline this week suggested new Browns GM John Dorsey isn’t exactly Josh Rosen’s biggest fan. Another report suggested Dorsey might take Josh Allen with the #1 overall pick. Either way, get ready for an interesting top pick in 2018. Allen, Baker Mayfield or Sam Darnold appear more likely than Rosen (who voiced his disinterest in landing with Cleveland last week).

— A couple of big name safety’s are a little bit overrated. Alabama’s Minkah Fitzpatrick is a decent prospect and could well land in the 10-15 range in round one. He’s a good coverage safety in the short game (red zone) and he’s well respected as a guy who leads by example for ‘Bama. He’s not a physical tone-setter though, not quite as versatile as advertised and isn’t better than Malik Hooker (taken #15 overall a year ago ). Derwin James equally is a bit overhyped. Someone may well take him in the 10-25 range but he has limitations. He’s a box safety and a thumper but not the most agile in space. He hasn’t made a lot of plays this year. He’s more Eric Reid than Eric Berry. The other Alabama safety, Ronnie Harrison, is a good player but not particularly special. He changed the course of the SEC Championship with his big hit on Kerryon Johnson in the Iron Bowl. He could go in the late first or early second. It’s not a particularly exciting safety class this year.

— It’s been a pretty mediocre Bowl season so far with numerous draft prospects opting to sit out and avoid any unnecessary injuries. Oklahoma State vs Virginia Tech was interesting last night, however. A spread offense vs the Hokies’ defensive talent. Tremaine Edmunds flew around the field making plays. He’s a sure tackler in space and just looks like a pro. He stands out. Tim Settle was often left absorbing double teams and didn’t manage any splash plays. Oklahoma State’s James Washington arguably did the most to improve his stock. He’s a smaller, stouter receiver with long arms. He’s dynamic and makes plays downfield. He’ll likely go in the 20-40 range.

— The USC vs Ohio State game is the most intriguing Bowl game so far. My focus will be on one guy specifically — Trojans running back Ronald Jones II.

— I haven’t watched Stanford vs TCU yet. Bryce Love ran for 145 yards (5.6 YPC) and two touchdowns. The combine is going to be big for Love. He’s only listed at 5-10 and 196lbs. That’s Steve Slaton-esque. He would need a big-time performance at that size. Christian McCaffrey ran a 4.48 at the combine this year and Love ran a similar time at the SPARQ Nike Combine. The thing is, McCaffrey had a sensational workout during the catching drills and an explosive testing performance. Love is unlikely to wow people with his slot-receiver skills so he’ll need to run and jump well to allay some of the size issues. A safe projection right now is early second round.

— Pete Carroll’s comments after the Rams debacle (‘they were faster than us’) remain a key point I think. The Seahawks have been the bigger, faster, stronger team for many years. And now they’re not. If they do make some big changes to the roster to get younger — expect a big focus on speed.

— If you missed my piece on the top prospects eligible for the draft, check it out.

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  1. Dylanlep

    Davenport seems out of reach now in light of that SI article. I hope they find a way find one of Roquan Smith or Edmunds. Agree that we need to get back to being the fastest, baddest mofos on the block and one of those two would accomplish that I think.

    Also Rob, forgive me if you’ve covered him already but any thoughts on Josh Jackson? Sounds like he will declare.

    • Rob Staton

      I haven’t studied him much. I noted Tony Pauline suggesting he could go late round one. I will watch him. Production wise he’s had a good year. It’s a really underwhelming CB class.

  2. TheDarnold

    Do you think that Texas Punter Michael Dickson provides enough value to be worthy of a later round pick?

    • Rob Staton

      I haven’t studied him

      • Kenny Sloth

        He kicks the ball. Sometimes well, Rob.

        Some East Coast team will probably take him in the 3rd haha

        • Kenny Sloth

          *he was actually named MVP for his bowl game performance as a punter*

  3. Rik

    Ronald Jones II has a tough test today against the very athletic Ohio State defensive line. If he has a big day, that would bode well for his future NFL career. We’ll also see what kind of workload he can handle against NFL-level talent.

  4. cha

    Where does USC CB Iman Marshall stand on the blog’s radar? Not sure if he’s declared but the times I’ve watched him I’ve liked his size profile and his willingness to tackle in the run game. Seems like he’d project to around a 2nd-3rd round range.

    • C-Dog

      He looked like he had a few rough games this year. Was it against Texas where he was picked on badly? He looks more mid round to me, but in a CB light year, maybe someone takes him sooner.

    • LeoSharp

      He looks like the ideal Seahawks press zone CB. He’s like a mixture of Shaquill Griffin in his technique (Inconsistent) and Brandon Browner in Mindset (Aggressive)

      I think in the Texas game it was a classic case of a guy trying to do to much and becoming exposed – against a 6’6 220lbs receiver in Collin Johnson I wouldn’t be surprised if he was trying to compensate for the huge size difference.

      The first huge play against him in that game he blocked Johnson all the way to the sideline and nearly out of bounds. Johnson swims out of the hold. Marshall slips in transition and it goes for 40 yards.
      All day it looked to be Marshall trying to out muscle a receiver that was simply bigger than him instead of just being in the right spots and locating the ball

  5. Ed

    This year, Hawks have played without:

    Sherman/Avril/Kam and have had sporadic production from Bennett and no production from Lane, Joeckel and Lacy and the defense still played pretty good. It’s the offense that still struggles. Let all the aging players go, one way or another and fix the offense. Get another high pick for Thomas. Get a RB and OT (to battle for RT and replace Brown in 2019) and get rid of Cable and maybe Bevell. On defense, get another LB and DE and hope the other DB’s Hawks drafted last year step up.

    QB Wilson
    RB rookie/Carson/Davis
    WR Baldwin/Lockette/Darboh
    TE Vannett/Swoopes
    OL Brown/Pocic/Britt/Ifedi/Fant
    DL Jordan/Reed/Jones/Clark
    LB Wagner/Wright/rookie
    DB Griffin/McDougald/Hill/Shead

    Defense won’t be as good, but if you put some resources and ingenuity into the offense, you won’t need a spectacular defense.

  6. Kyle B

    Can you all please put more of your mock draft ideas? After I read Rob’s work I come to these comments (when it is slow at work) and love seeing these. Helps me daydream lol

  7. C-Dog

    One other small school LB that I’ve been looking at a bit is SC State’s Darius Leonard. He’s got decent length at 6-3 233lbs, and look pretty naturally athletic. Looks like he moves pretty quick in coverage and quick in pursuit vs NC Central which is available on UTude.

    Really nice production in 2017, 113 tackles, 8 TFLs, 8 sacks, 2 INTs.

    Says that he models his game after James Harrison, and Luke Kuechly. Loves to attack the edge and cover.

    Rob, have you had a chance to look at this guy? Has he blipped on your radar?

    • swisshawk

      Sounds like a nice find! Do you have more small scholl crushes at LB? Is this draft so deep at LB as one could think? I could imagine the hawks drafting LB massively this year for (quality) depth (something like one each in round 3,5,7) if that’s the case

      • Kenny Sloth

        Its starting to look more and more that way.

        Lots of long athletes at LB. And more seem to come out of the woodwork each weekend.

        That and the similar if not better RB class have me hoping we go for a pass rusher early.

        DT and DL both could use another piece. It’ll be nice to see our full rotation at some point next year

        Reed, Richardson, Naz Jones, Quentin Jefferson
        Avril, Clark, Marcus Smith
        Bennett, Dion Jordan, McDowell

        Branden Jackson and Garrison Smith are also on the roster.

        I would like to see another pure LEO or run stuffer on the roster to take even more load off Avril and Bennett.
        Imagine adding something else exciting to that rotation

        • Ground_Hawk

          Bennett does need fewer snaps.

          • Adog

            I’ve been impressed with the play of jackson. He needs more snaps.

      • C-Dog

        It is interesting that Seattle shied away from LB the last couple drafts and focused more on that side of the ball on the DL and with the DBs. Stands to reason they could have been waiting it out for this draft.

        Sione Teuhema from SE Louisiana seems like he could be a really interesting small directional school player. 6-4 240 lbs, former LSU DE who was booted off the team but LSU coaches apparently still talk highly about him to scouts. He can rush and cover. Looks like an ideal 4-3 SAM. 80 tackles, 18 TFL, 9 sacks, 2 FFs, and an INT in 2017.

        I haven’t found any film on him yet. If anyone has, I’d love to be pointed towards it.

        Kinda of a weird story that he and his brother was is a guard were both booted from LSU and ended up together at SE Louisiana. Both guys seem to be pretty athletic and are getting a bit of buzz.

        • Nem Beselek

          Teuhema has a brother, Maea, who plays guard that we should look at as well.

          Another guy that seems to be flying under the radar right now on all of the mock draft sites is Justin Lawler, out of SMU. He is not a real twitchy athlete, but he has a lot of production at SMU and has some good game tape against Houston on YouTube. A lot of the mock draft websites have going as a UDFA, seems like he should go a lot higher than that to me, like the third or fourth round at least.

          Hopefully someone has some more information on this guy.

    • Rob Staton

      I haven’t, will see if there’s some tape.

      • C-Dog

        There’s a bit on U Tude. Some condensed games.

  8. cha

    Davante Adams just got a 4yr $58m extension.

    • Dave Ashton


      • Greg Haugsven

        Wow, thats big coin. They are now paying huge money to 3 receivers. Jordy Nelsons days may be numbered.

        • Trevor

          PRich will be looking for a payday.

  9. Kenny Sloth

    I think the Dorsey talk is smoke.

    He seems like Dorsey’s favorite kind of QB.

    I doubt he’s the #1 player on their board, but I doubt they’re scratching him off just because he said “it’s better to go later to the right team, than early to the wrong one.”

    Which of course the media translates to “I won’t play for the Browns” and “we dont want someone that doesnt wanna be here” which neither party said.

    • Rob Staton

      I’m not sure it’s smoke — apparently long before he was employed by the Browns he was telling people, possibly Tony directly, to avoid Rosen at all costs. That to me doesn’t seem like a smoke screen. And there’s very little need to put out smoke screens weeks before you’re employed by the team with pick #1.

      • Trevor

        I think a lot of the older school scouts and front office will really be put off by Rosen’s attitude.

        • Kenny Sloth

          I guess so, because that guy looks like his kind of QB.

          This is the guy that drafted Eric Fisher over Joeckle and traded for Alex Smith.

          Dorsey came up through GB like JS so he’s going to be very much into the psyche of these guys.

          • John_s

            I wonder if Dorsey will sign Smith and draft Barkley and the best defender on the board?

            A veteran presence at QB would go a long way for Cleveland. Especially if you do not believe any of the QB’s in the draft are a sure thing.

            Imagine a defense with Myles Garrett and Bradley Chubb and an offense with Barkley, Josh Gordon, Njoku

            Plus they have 2 2nds, 1 3rd and 2 4’s.

            They could be the next Jags in a hurry

            • Kenny Sloth

              I might do that if Darnold didn’t declare.

              Lamar Jackson is so enticing though

      • Kenny Sloth

        I like an arrogant QB. Rosen is a gamer and plays hyper confidently, almost carelessly.

        Baker Mayfield is similar, but more fiery.

        A lot of character in their games. I can see how a team in a rebuild wouldnt want to get behind the person that they find Rosen to be when they know him better than us.

        I can, however, see a team in the back end of a dynasty move up to get him if he started to fall.
        (Think Favre/Rodgers but on the Patriots Brady/Rosen)

        “Better to go to the right team later”

  10. Kyle B

    Also, how would anyone feel about making a push for Eric Reid, although I understand this would mean SR is gone. In conjunction, trade Earl for picks (potentially first and a third) while resigning McDougald and slide him over to FS.

    All of this is totally hypothetical and for fun and most likely will be completely moot because he’s gonna get a significant contract with a team in SF that has a ton of cap space (leading the league I believe for ’18).

    • Rob Staton

      It’d come down to cost with Reid. For the right price I would consider it.

    • Trevor

      I like Reid he seems to play physical when we have played SF. I would be surprised if they let him go.

  11. Dale

    Was Carroll referring more to the defense or just overall team speed which affects special teams? The Hawks have offensive speed in Paul Richardson and Lockett but those guys can’t tackle on special teams. We don’t have field tilting speed in the backfield. Wagner and Thomas are fast but who else qualifies on the defense now? We added depth with vets but did we trade speed for experience?

    • Rob Staton

      I think a bit of both but mainly defense.

    • Trevor

      Clark and Griffin would also be considered fast for their position.

    • C-Dog

      Seattle had a lot of speed up front at linebacker when Bruce Irvin and Malcolm Smith where on the defense, and Kam was healthier flying into that box. Bruce was almost the definition of bigger stronger faster.

      • Dale

        I agree, look how unsettled we’ve been at Irvin’s old position.

  12. swisshawk

    Comparing two QB in their last year of college:
    Player 1: Player 2:
    ATT 591 489
    % 65.7 65.0
    YDS 5052 4904
    AVG 8.5 10.03
    TD/INT 41:10 37:9
    ATT 131 61
    AVG 2.2 0.6
    TD 12 10

    Player 1 was Mahomes last year, seahawks rumored having interest.
    Player 2 is Mason Rudolph this year, just saying.

    • Rob Staton

      They’re very different players though. Mahomes was an absolute gun slinger with an incredible arm. Rudolph is much less physically impressive.

    • Trevor

      I know I am in the minority but I like Rudolph alot. The Senior bowl and combine/workouts will be huge for him.

      • drewdawg11

        Mason isn’t nearly the athlete that Mahomes is, but he’s got the ability to sling it. I think he’s a mid first to late first player who may go earlier if he shows well in workouts. He’s not exactly a statue, either.

    • KingRajesh

      I just don’t buy into the Davis Hsu/Jared Stanger spread “rumors” that Seahawks had interest in drafting a QB.

      • Seahawcrates

        I don’t follow Stanger but Hsu consistently prefaces what he writes with either his guess, his less so, and his inside source. I’ve never seen him spread a what can be termed a rumor. I find him quite careful in his work.

  13. rowlandice

    Watched quite a bit of the VT game. Settle looked overweight and slow. Edmonds looked like a great prospect. Watching TCU / Stanford, I liked TCU’s Hill at QB. I like some of the playcalling they used to spread it out and take advantage of Hill’s arm and run ability. I’d like to see the Hawks do that some with RW.

    • Rob Staton

      I don’t think Settle looked overweight and slow. He handled the double teams manfully. He’s a big interior tackle. That’s what they look like. It was a sign of respect that they doubled him.

    • Smitty1547

      They have a hill on team already in Boykins IMO (practice squad)

    • C-Dog

      It was hard not to watch what TCU did with their offensive adjustments and not think Russell Wilson when Seattle does that. Seattle did that a bit out of the gates against the Eagles and then kinda shied away from it the last few games. It’s a bit confounding. Makes me think maybe Russell got dinged or something.

  14. Dale

    Assuming the availability of Chris Carson, which would the biggest upgrade to the Hawks running game, 1) A first round talent with speed at running back, 2) a dominating LG, or 3) a legit number #1 wide receiver?

    • Rob Staton

      It’s a tough one to answer because of course we can’t guarantee Carson’s health. If we could it wouldn’t be a running back. But because we don’t know whether Carson can stay healthy, I would say a really talented RB would do as much as anything for Seattle’s running game.

      • Seahawcrates

        If Seattle fixes their run game with the addition of a drafted running back, so many of their offensive flaws either get fixed or become minimized. Pressure lessons on Wilson, fewer max protect situations, better first half starts, more manageable third down conversions. And some of their defensive problems are resolved too. Free total defensive snaps. Fewer tilted fields to defend either because of three and outs or early turnovers.
        I think Seattle targets a prime cut back fairly early (though doesn’t have to be first round) and then stocks the shelves with speed on defense.
        I think this because Pete believes that is the way to win. He lays it out in his book. And you don’t change philosophies you spend a year working out and have worked so well for you. Having a horrid run game is an existential crisis for Pete. He’s going to focus his fix on it. I don’t think he taps free agency again. He sure as heck won’t cross his fingers and hope for a healthy Carson, Prosise and a resurected Rawls.
        Maybe he has his eyes on an under appreciated back to trade for, but I think the most likely path is to draft a stud.

    • FuzzyLOgic

      Look at all the teams making the playoffs and the teams that don’t. Almost every team in has a good running game and most of the teams out don’t. Remember Zeke was out for 6 games. We need a good running game if we want to see the playoffs in the near future.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Especially a top 2 seed.

    • Trevor

      Dominating LG IMO. They play every snap and next to Duane Brown could give us a dominant Left side in the run game.

      I love Price and the attitude he brings. I think our OL has really missed a tone setter like that on the OL since Breno and Sweezy left. Price is talented and athletic as well. Ideal guy for our OL. Brown LT, Price LG, Britt C, Pocic RG, Ifedi or Fant RT. That sounds like an awfully solid unit to me.

      Nelson would be a dream pick but Price would be an awesome consolation prize.

      If Davenport and Edmunds are gone Price would definitely be my 3rd choice.

      • drewdawg11

        Or go later and take Will Hernandez. He’s “only” 6’3”, so maybe that helps with Russell as your QB. He’s nasty.

  15. Kenny Sloth

    How do we feel about RoJo as a lead back?

    He only has 242 career carries and has missed an handful of games already!

    • drewdawg11

      Not Rob, but you have to look at it this way: We have Carson coming back, and Jones would be complimenting what he doesn’t bring to the table, which is explosive plays. As a tandem, they would be a young duo who can grow together, while keeping each other fresh.

      • Kenny Sloth

        I feel that we can’t count on any of our backs to play 16 games next year

    • C-Dog

      It would be a lot of fun to have a home run hitter at RB. I could see him mixing in well with Carson. Who knows how Seattle feels about him, but I like the Jamaal Charles comp, and the fact JS was a big Charles fan is interesting.

      • drewdawg11

        He’s had no help tonight at the line of scrimmage. When he has had a crease, he’s made a couple of nice runs. We never count on any running back to play 16 game. That’s rare. We can still go and draft a back later on as well.

        • C-Dog

          He’s broke off some nice runs. His suddenness continues to be a fun thing to watch. Ohio State’s front seven is ridiculously talented. It’s almost unfair.

          Sam Hubbard could be a nice get for Seattle.

  16. C Dub

    It would be interesting to take a look at last years draft and see who was successful this year vs. who was not. Some of the rookies from this year that did well: Kamara, Kareem Hunt, Cooper Kupp—>(Wish we got him) Marshon Lattimore, Fournette, Tredavious White.

    Some of the favorites mentioned here a lot were:

    TJ Watt, Obi Melifonwu, Adoree Jackson, Garrett Bolles, Solomon Thomas, Hasson Reddick. Cam Robinson has done surprisingly well despite a lot of doubts.

    Last year was the draft for cornerbacks, it will be interesting if this turns out to be the running back draft.

  17. Kenny Sloth

    Gosh, how perfect would Sam Darnold be for the Browns.

    He’s exactly the gritty, creative, exciting passer they need.

    Equal parts Manziel and Matt Stafford.

    His passes are totally unplayable at times.

    • C-Dog

      That said, that pick six was pretty playable.

    • H

      I really like Darnold but he’d struggle immensely with the Browns. They’d be asking him to win them games single handily and his decision making would let him down too often. He kinda reminds me of Jameis Winston, and could use another year in college

      • Kenny Sloth

        +1 on the Winston comp. Similar sneaky athleticism and ballsy decision making

  18. Smitty1547
    preseason his rookie year, everything on time and in rhythm

  19. Pran

    Looks like some team might be taking gamble on Darnold in 1st round

    • John_s

      his high INT ratio reminds me of Jameis Winston

    • C-Dog

      He’s got undeniable talent but is far from a finished product.

    • Smitty1547

      he goes #1 if not for sure top 5

  20. C-Dog

    Ronald Jones’ suddenness would be a welcome sight in Seahawks blue next year.

  21. GoHawks5151

    Billy Price is for real. Tough dude. Something to think about though… I heard a report that he has been vocal against anthem protests. Would be interesting to see how he fits into the locker room.

    • C-Dog

      That might clash in Seattle’s locker room, but if he goes out and balls out like that, he can clash away all he wants to, there would be no denying his play. I think he will be long gone before Seattle picks, anyways.

    • Smitty1547

      Good for him why is it OK to protest, but would not be ok to protest against anthem protestors, makes me want him even more.

      • peter

        huh? let’s let talk of protests be NOT be a talking point in 2018.

  22. John_s

    Ohhh Jaleel Scott is the big WR that the Seahawks need!

    • drewdawg11

      Ok, that was fun to watch.

    • Del tre

      Looks like a fun pairing for Russ and a replacement for Paul/Jimmy.

  23. drewdawg11

    All of the issues I had with D’Arnold last year are front and center in this game. I’m glad that I’m not a GM who needs a QB this year. Rosen is possibly a huge issue with leadership and he’s a completely different player once you hit him. Sam is a mechanical mess! He also turns the ball oner. Long arm motion, happy feet, terrible footwork. I may just trade back and take a Lamar Jackson and at least know I’ve got a dual threat that I can develop and build around. Mason Rudolph looks much safer than this guy.

    • TheDarnold

      All of those issues can be fixed, though. This game showed his greatest asset: his toughness. So many things went wrong and he took a beating from Ohio State’s D-Line, yet he let go of everything and went right back out there to do whatever he could to help his team win.

  24. C-Dog

    Seattle has scouted USC heavily this year. There is someone there they like a lot. Ronald Jones? Uchenna Nwosu? Rasheem Green? All three?

    • drewdawg11

      Ronnie big play

    • TheDarnold

      Were they at the Cotton Bowl?

      • C-Dog

        They’ve been attending a lot of USC games this year and last year. They’re sniffing around someone.

        • TheDarnold

          I thought that Nwosu had a really good game tonight. Brock Huard was saying that a lot NFL executives loved his versatility and Seattle may be a part of that. They were interested in Charles this past offseason and Jones is very similar to him. I think they also like the inside-out ability of Green. They may also like Deontay Burnett. It’ll be interesting to see who they go after.

  25. C-Dog

    Honestly, even though it wasn’t a great outing tonight, if I were Sam Darnold, I would enter into the draft. He is far away from finished product, but he just has “it.”

    Tonight’s game is probably a pretty good illustration of what he can expect going against a premier NFL defense. I thought he showed a lot of toughness and grit, and had the Trojans driving numerous times. I don’t think handling pressure is going to be a too daunting of a task for him. I would take him over Rosen.

    • TheDarnold

      +1. Darnold is the QB in this class who’s best-equipped to handle an environment like Cleveland. He was put into some really tough situations this year and handled them really well. He may not be the most polished QB prospect, but he has all the factors that can’t be taught or developed over time.

  26. Rawls

    After this game if Darnold or another top qb falls to the Seahawks pick, do you take him?

    • Rik

      Ummmm, no.

    • Ed

      Let the aging defensive players go, build the team around Wilson and get him a RB, OT and another WR.

    • C-Dog

      No way.

  27. CharlieTheUnicorn

    The 1st pick of the draft might be a position player, such as a DT or DE…. then the 2nd top 5 pick at this rate… will be the QB. I guess, they could swap 1st round picks with someone in the top 7 and get a bit more draft capital in the 2nd and 3rd rounds… but they are already loaded with picks.

    Mayfield is the QB that I keep thinking about being a legit NFL prospect. The intangibles keep bringing me back. Rosen just doesn’t excite me…. actually, most of the QBs do not excite me.

    I guess, the BROWNS could actually almost pick any position and not screw it up… since they need help almost every spot on offense and defense.

  28. Icb12

    Jt Barrett needs to be the next backup Seahawks qb

    • H

      I’d be ok with that, so long as we don’t draft him too early

      • drewdawg11

        No. No, no, no, no ,no! Based on what? He’s just not a very good pocket passer… or even a passer. Please don’t saddle us with that guy if something were to happen to Russel. Maybe a third QB on the practice squad… no, it even that.

        • JimQ

          Barrett has 147-TD’s in his career, and wins a very high percentage of his games. He is not a pocket passing statue plus he’s short & stout and he doesn’t fit the ideal mold of an NFL QB, sounds a bit familiar to me. If he’s there with one of their three 7-th. rd. picks, he could be a nice value and be a step up from Boykin and his character concerns. Barrett, IMO, would fit a RB/wildcat role much better than Boykin and that could be very useful in future games as “iron-man” Wilson stays uninjured. Due to the fact that RW never comes out of a game, why not have a B/U QB that can contribute on game day and not just sit on the bench?

          IMO-It makes sense, due to the importance of the QB position, to have a QB or two in development as an eventual replacement for RW or as a trade option down the line, if that can be accomplished with a 7-th round pick, near the end of the draft, why not? Boykin has had his problems and maybe is on a short leash as the current B/U?

  29. Peanut

    Off Topic: Can someone explain what “redshirt freshman/sophomore” means? From what i gather on Wikipedia it means that a player can practice but not play in competitive games. But it also says that for example JT Barrett was a redshirt freshman, sophomore and junior, but still passed for over 2k yards as a junior?

    Man this college sports thing is complicated.

    • H

      Redshirt essentially means a player can practice with the team but not play, and therefore gain an extra year of eligibility, should they choose to take it, as college athletes can only have 4 years of play on the field.
      Redshirt players carry the “redshirt” label even once they take it off them in order to clarify the difference between a “true freshman sophomore etc.” and a player who is actually a year ahead in his development. This is significant because college players are eligible to enter the draft after 3 years of college.
      For example Josh Rosen is a true Junior and Sam Darnold is a redshirt sophomore. Therefore both are in their third year of college football and are both eligible to enter the upcoming draft.

      • Peanut

        Oh boy, thanks!

        • Greg Haugsven

          To piggy back on that, once they play just one play they would lose the redshirt.

  30. Jacob M

    I think we need to take a closer look at Will Hernandez the Guard from UTEP. He’s a monster in the middle! I’ve watched two games of his, against power 5 and I’m very impressed. He demolished people at the line of scrimmage in the run game and has great feet in pass pro. He could be a good pick for us if we trade back. This is looking to be a really good draft for Guards a position that I would argue could tip the scale for us on offense. We need a good run game. Trade back and try and some how get two picks in the second round. There are so many LB,RB,DL and G prospects I would hate to miss on. Will Hernandez is looking to be to be almost as good of prospect as Price the only difference being the level of competition. That being said Hernandez has played against good competition and has dominated his match ups.

    • Greg Haugsven

      The only thing I would say is that Seattle doesn’t really take guard only players early. They like guys who can play multiple positions. Maybe like a Braden Smith from Auburn as he can play guard and tackle. Don’t get me wrong though as I really like Hernandez as well.

      • Jacob M

        Maybe that’s the problem for the Seahawks too set in there old ways. Maybe it’s time to take a look at offensive line and stop repeating those same mistakes.

        • Greg Haugsven

          I can’t disagree with that. We all know the definition of insanity is to do the exact same thing and expect different results.

          • JimQ

            I read somewhere that Hernandez has played every one of his college games at OLG. That may not be versatility but shows he’s very competent at guard. Oh, and OLG is a big hole on the Seahawks OL, so maybe they tweak their OL evaluations and selections to shore up that hole?

      • Nem Beselek

        Last year at this time it was pretty clear we needed help on the O-line. During the Senior Bowl last year, Pocic played well, but he wasn’t the best guard in that game, Dan Feeney out of Indiana was, and by a pretty significant margin. Feeney was available when we drafted Pocic, but Feeney projected only as a Guard, while Pocic projected well as a center and as a tackle. Big surprise, we end up drafting Ethan Pocic. I really like Pocic, and he is real good insurance in case Britt leaves via free-agency. But Feeney could end up being an all-pro, and I don’t think you should ignore that for versatility.

    • Trevor

      I have liked him for a while he is a pure Guard but an absolute Beast. Prefer Price but Hernandez is exactly the type of nasty run blocker we currently lack at the Guard spot.

  31. Peanut

    To the UW fans here, or people that follow the team; How are the defense, especially the secondary, compared to last years? I mean, last year they had 3 2nd rounders (two of which could´ve been 1st). How is “Death Row” holding up?

  32. Smitty1547

    Excuse me if it’s been mentioned although I have not seen it, does Rosen remind anyone of Cutler besides myself or maybe even Jeff George if we want to go back further.

    • C-Dog

      I’ve used those very two quarterbacks in comparing him before. IMO, there’s much more that goes into that position than being 6-4 and having all the mechanics that were taught to you through all those high priced quarterback camps you attended as a kid to go along with your arm talent.

      How much he honestly compares to those two guys I think is debatable, but the vibe I sense would make me nervous and I think it is pretty telling where John Dorsey apparently sits with him.

    • Volume12

      Nope. Not in the slightest.

      Some of ya’ll think QB Sam Darnold needs another year. What if this is just who he is? Unfathomable I know.

      • Greg Haugsven

        I just dont get the Sam Darnold hype. He just makes to many mistakes. You can get away with it more in college but if you make those mistakes in the NFL your in trouble.

        • Volume12

          Because he has intangibles and shows flashes of what the league looks for. They’re starved for good QB play at the next level.

          • Kenny Sloth

            Everyone wants a creative game manager with a live arm…

            Would make you think Lamar Jackson would be the favorite QB

            • Volume12

              You’d think so. And if teams are worried about his body mass, you’d think they’d be confident in their weight & training program.

              • Kenny Sloth

                Something at qb for everybody in the first round this year!

      • Trevor

        People knocked Watson for turnovers too. He played behind an awful OL this year with limited talent at WR.

        That game last night reminded me of the Hawks OL against the Rams. No young QB looks good in that spot. If I am the Browns Darnold and Mayfield are the only QBs I would even consider at #1.

        Love Jackson too but not at #1.


        • Kenny Sloth

          He had two first rounders at WR and Houston with Duane Brown was consistently one of the better lines in the league

          Perhaps he just runs too much like he did in college?

          Houston literally calls QB draws with him like he’s still at Clemson.

  33. Greg Haugsven

    Here is a fun question. Of the 6 aging stars on defense. Bennett, Avril, Wright, Chancellor, Sherman, and Thomas. In this exercise two won’t be on the team in 2018, two will be gone after 2018 and two will remain into 2019. Who ya got?

    • Ed

      My wishlist would be this offseason.

      Gone for 2018 CA and KC because of retirement. MB, RS and ET traded for hopefully 1st, 2nd and 2 4ths.

      Gone for 2019. KW, can’t afford a 3rd contract. Need to get younger

      What will most likely happen:

      Gone for 2018 CA and KC because of retirment
      Gone for 2019 MB (cut), RS and KW not resigned.
      Here for 2019 ET, gets extended in 2018

  34. Volume12

    Hahaha! John Dorsey is off to an amazing start. This is some of ya’lls man? Come get him. Luke’s Josh Allen, threw the young guys that he’s stuck with with for the next 2 years under the bus, what’s next? Keeping Hue Jackson as HC? Or hiring Jeff Fisher?

    • Volume12

      Could you imagine if Lamar Jackson had the season Josh Allen had? Good lord. That poor kid would be burned at the stakes.

      • Ed

        He won’t take Josh Allen. Rosen or Darnold. The league is afraid of thin QB. LJ is 6’3″ 210 and JA is 6’5″ 240. Should they stop with the stereotype and just judge talent, yes. Will it ever change, probably not. Most evaluators usually look at measurables first, then tape. That’s why the Hawks keep missing on OL, they try and find athletic freaks instead of solid football players. Imagine the OL players talked about by you and Rob (and SDB nation) that the Hawks passed on for others. It could be an amazing line

        • Volume12

          All fair and good points, but I disagree about Jackson being frail. 6’3, 210 ain’t small.

          I’ll take that and his ability to make throws over the MOF, something most college QBs can’t do, over Allen’s size.

          I’d take Rosen over any of these guys not named Lamar Jackson, but that’s just me.

          • Kenny Sloth

            You know me, I love a Matt Stafford-type. Sam Darnold has good agility in the pocket and a beautiful deep ball. He just needs to get into a pro organization asap. Obviously the positional coaching is a huge upgrade at the pro level, even from a school like USC. He needs to break a lot of bad habits

            • Volume12

              That’s the thing though. Its easier to teach a guy habits, for example a raw prospect, than it is to break bad ones.

              I’m just beginning to think that Darnold is who he is at this point.

              • Kenny Sloth

                Thats kind of how Stafford came in. That USC offense is totally loaded

        • Kenny Sloth

          Its funny how some media are drooling over Jackson’s size for WR, but he’s too thin to play QB

          • Volume12

            ^ this

      • H

        So true, the bar for black QBs is so much higher.
        The Tyrod Taylor situation this year is case and point.

    • Trevor

      I agree Vol what is he thinking. Hue has to go doesn’t he?

  35. Icb12

    I haven’t seen a ton if Iowa state this year.
    Buy the senior receiver Allen Lazard is a good looking receiver.
    Anybody know much about him?

    • JimQ

      I have been doing a stat. study of WR’s and where they are currently ranked in relation to their draft position. (REF: With the likelihood that Paul Richardson chases $. IMO, the Seahawks will likely: Trade down in the 1-st, and will likely value EDGE, RB & OL/DL over WR. For those reasons, the WR’s I’ve studied to date, are those that fall pretty much after the 3-rd RD. The WR’s that I think may not be available are those ranked in the top 100, that includes among others……….
      WR-Alan Lazard(67), Iowa, 6-042/198, 4.58/40 +/-
      WR-Anthony Miller(77), Memphis, 5-106/190, 4.53/40 +/-
      WR-Michael Gallup(92), CSU, 6-005/200, 4.52/40 +/-

      RD-3/4: WR-Cedrick Wilson(129), Boise St, 6-016/188, 4.49/40 +/- Rd-3/4, *THIS is THE GUY they need*.
      ———2017: 83/1511/7-TD’s, 18.20-ypc, 58 for 1-st downs, 39/15+, 22/25+, IF he’s gone, then……
      –ALT: WR-Jake Wienecki(112), So. Dakota St, 6-031/215, 4.54 +/-
      ———(FCS) 2017: 65/965/16-TD’s, 14.84-ypc (NOTE): Career 53 games: 288/5157/59-TD’s, 17.90-ypc)

      RD-4/5: WR-Marvell Ateman(144), Oklahoma St, 6-032/220, 4.57/40 +/- Rd-4/5, EITHER would do.
      ———2017: 54/1049/8-TD’s, 19.43-ypc – 41 for 1-st downs, 25/15+, 15/25+
      –ALT: WR: Darren Carrington(176), Utah, 6-006/205, 4.49/40 +/-
      ———2017: 66/918/6-TD;s, 13.91-ypc – 45 for 1-st downs, 28/15+, 8/25+

      RD-6/7: WR- Steve Ishmael(197), Syracuse, 6-012/209, 4.53/40 +/- *A MUST pick, if no WR earlier*
      ———2017: 105/1347/7-TD’s, 12.83-ypc – 59 for 1-St downs, 31/15+, 12/25+, if he’s gone, then…….
      –ALT:WR-Jaleel Scott(204), New Mexico St, 6-046/215, 4.52/40, +/-
      ———2017: 73/1042/8-TD’s, 14.27-ypc- 44 for 1-st downs, 30/15+, 12/25+

      UDFA: WR-KaRaun White(999), W. Virginia, 6-012/199, 4.51/40 +/-
      ——–2017: 58/978/11-TD’s, 16.86-ypc – 37 for 1-st downs, 24/15+, 12/25+


      • Sea Mode

        I’m a fan of Ateman myself if they want to go big. And definitely agree with you on no WR early.

  36. Greg Haugsven

    Sam Hubbard declares for the draft. Whats your thoughts on him as a prospect?

    • Volume12

      Very good. Chris Long like. Sky high potential. Super smart. Will be shocked if his wonderlic isn’t through the roof. Was a LaCrosse player going to ND, Urban found him in a gym, and the rest is history. A throwback at DE.

      Thought he was the best player on the field, and definetly the best Sam, last night.

      • Volume12

        His teammate Nick Bosa? Joey’s little bro? My God. That dude has top 5 pick written all over him whenever he declares.

      • Trevor


    • C-Dog

      I think he’s a really good looking football player. Volume 12 said it well that he has a throwback feel. I look at him and think about some of those Houston Oiler defensive ends back in the late 1980’s and early 90’s. Lean, mean, quarterback sacking machines.

  37. Volume12

    Here we go. Its already started. NFL draft media gets a narrative and runs with it. Now Baker Mayfield is being hidden by Oklahoma so jhe doesn’t have to answer about the flag plant, running from cops, the DX crotch chop. IDK, maybe he does just have the… Flu?

    • Kenny Sloth

      Don’t forget using the pigskin as a projectile against an opponent during pregame

      Somebody get this guy tho fr

      • Volume12

        His personality reminds me a lot of Phillip Rivers. Not his skill set, but that outspoken, give no f***s, cold blooded, killer instinct on the field. I don’t see the Brett Favre or RW comps. Tony Romo though? Absolutely.

        • Trevor

          Love the Mayfield Rivers comp. But size and style much more Romo as you said Vol.

  38. Trevor

    Would love to see the Browns take Barkley at #1 and Jackson at #4 then bring in a really creative OC. Can you imagine the potential of that run game then play action deep shots to Gordon, Coleman and Njoku.

    • Greg Haugsven

      That is a wicked thought. That could actually happen as well.

      • Greg Haugsven

        If that happened and I was a Browns fan I would be pumped. They still have 33, 40, 63, and 65. If I’m Kirk Cousins I’d also take a look if he leaves Washington. They could bypass Lamar and sign Cousins and build a monster.

    • Ed

      Like the thought, but Cleveland is not the place to try and have a “Greatest Show On Turf” offense. Would probably go Barkley and a big OT to replace JT. Get defense later in the draft and if Kizer doesn’t work next year, you have the other pieces ready for a QB in 2019

  39. Trevor

    Hate the new trend of all the top guys sitting out Bowl games but understand it completely.

    • peter

      I think College Football is riding a great high right now and though I get some serious reasons against it if top talent is going to sit out of meaningless bowl games it stands to reason the “easy,” solution is to increase the playoffs to 6 or 8 teams.

      40 bowl games with 6 and 6 teams is getting pretty ridiculous. You would still have players sitting out bowls but if they go to 6 or 8 teams you could see more incentive for at least those players to play.

  40. John_s

    What an absolutely terrible last series for Louisville.

  41. mac

    I was really disappointed in Ronald Jones play. I would of loved to see him create his own space, rather than see how he’d do behind our O-line.

    • Rob Staton


      Ohio State flat out dominated USC’s O-line, they were 24-0 almost immediately and had no shot to effectively run the ball. What exactly were you expecting?

      • Rawls

        Your not worried how he’d do behind our o line?

        • Rob Staton

          No. I think the main problem is RB talent. Carson ran effectively and the line is better now with Duane Brown.

          I also think it’d be wrong to go overboard just because Ohio State flat out punked USC.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Not everybody is Barry Sanders, ok.

      You want to see someone create out of nothing, but you can’t write someone off because of another unita domination

    • C-Dog

      He still showed sudden explosion against the front even that was in every way having their way with the entire USC OL. USC was also forced to throw more.

      I’ve seen enough with Jones II. I like him a lot. Liked him last year, as well.

  42. Millhouse-serbia

    Tom Cable is candidate for Colts HC.

    • Ed

      If true, that would be great. Maybe KR and DB get looks too. Since PC won’t make a change, would be nice if the league does it for him.

      Upgraded coaching staff for 2018

      OC DeFillipo (Eagles)
      DC Bradley (Chargers)
      OL Munchak (Eagles)

      • Del tre

        Never understood the want to get rid of Richard, he’s done well enough and he’s the only DC to have lost Sherman, Earl, Kam and a few times Bobby. Let me remind you in 2014 with Dan Quinn the bummy Raiders put up nearly 30 points on us because Bobby was out. Give Richard a good offense to compliment the D and we are probably back to first overall. The solution isn’t to fire every coach, its to fire the guy that has single handedly held us back from being a better team by making horrendus personal decisions (this lost us a superbowl), bad playcalls (I’ve never seen another OC call 5 wide streaks on 1st down when the offense has mustered a measely 3 points see bucs game in 2016), and probably the longest streak in NFL history without a first quarter TD. We saw the difference a good OC makes in San Francisco and with the Rams, we also saw the inverse with the Falcons losing Shanahan.
        Pretty evident to me that if the Hawks can find an OC that actually knows how to use Russell, and doesn’t overwork him (as Bevell has the past 3 years), we will be holding up a Lobardi a few times over the next several years.

        • C-Dog


          I think Richard gets a bum rap.

    • Smitty1547

      Good hope they hire him!!!

    • Kenny Sloth

      Almost like he’s one of the best in the world at what he does, right?

  43. Greg Haugsven

    Off topic, do you guys think that Ifedi stays at RT or maybe goes to LG or even back to RG. I’m torn as I’d like to see what a line of Brown-Ifedi-Britt-Pocic-Fant could do.

    • Ed

      My line choice as well

      • Greg Haugsven

        Seems like the best 5 at this point not knowing what the draft or FA will deliver.

    • Rob Staton

      Ifedi will stay at RT — I’m not sure there’s any real chance they move him again.

      • Ed

        They moved Britt 3 times before he landed, hope the same for Ifedi.

        Barkley please. Wow

        • Rob Staton

          I don’t think changing Ifedi again is the solution. He’s shown progress this year. He’s become a bit of a scapegoat. He’s had one year at tackle. Let the guy learn.

          • Greg Haugsven

            The draft and FA could give us an idea. If not we will find out next pre-season. He does have the size for LG. Might be nice having him next to a couple good veterans.

          • Trevor

            I am with you Rob I think he has been better at RT and should only get better.

            • Smitty1547

              If they do move him, it needs to just be RG, I think he would be a mess learning the footwork on the other side.

              • Hawk Eye

                I think Ifedi stays at RT and pretty sure no one on this blog actually gets a vote. Ifedi’s main problem is penalties, which is solvable. He is not alone as a tackle having issues in his first few years, but he has an excellent physical profile for the position. What the line needs is stability. Leave Ifedi, Brown and Britt at their positions, let everyone else fight it out at guard. Best case is Pocic gains a few pounds, adds some core strength and wins RG and Rees, Roos or Fant win out at LG. I am assuming Joeckel is gone due to salary and injuries, lack of strength.

                • Rob Staton

                  The line has potential. They just need time together and maybe some adjustments to the blocking scheme.

                • John_s

                  Other than the penalties, Ifedi has a really hard team with the “reach” blocks. He cannot get to the defender unless the defender is right in front of him.

                  • Greg Haugsven

                    What do you mean we dont have a vote?…lol. Good point. It’s all just debate.

      • Mishima


        I’ll go out on a limb and bet Ifedi makes the Pro Bowl in year 4.

        • Kenny Sloth

          I already have to eat a tweet if he dont do it next year

  44. John_s

    Soo can we pencil in Barkley as the #1 pick? Wow!

  45. Greg Haugsven

    The Huskies defense is like hot knife through butter. Better step up.

    • Greg Haugsven

      That knife is getting even hotter. Wow are they getting torched.

  46. DC

    Trace McSorley would be a nice backup to Russ.

    • Greg Haugsven

      I agree, he’s got some good toughness to his game.

  47. cha

    Vea running down a punt returner 35 yards downfield at 340lbs and tackling him in the open field. Unreal.

    • Rob Staton

      Top-12 pick

    • FuzzyLOgic

      Wasn’t too impressed with Vea, I know he got double teamed a bunch but the first step is a bit lacking. I think he goes in the 15-20 range.

      • Rob Staton

        He’s 340lbs. First-step quickness isn’t going to be his forte.

      • Justin Mullikin

        I couldn’t disagree with you more. As a nose tackle moving forward too quick against a center lets the guard move you (the purpose of double teaming a player). He stood his ground and affected the game by not being moved. That’s what we need in Seattle. Remember those nose tackles we had.. Mebane, Rubin etc. Remember how easy it was for our linebackers to stop the running game when we clogged up the middle. Beef up the middle and add speed to our linebacking crew so they can run sideline to sideline and make tackles. That is what made us great, that is what we need to get back to.

        • peter

          Thats Pete Carrol’s desired result in a NT/NT like player. Going back to Bill Walsh and even comments PC has referenced to that time his ideal is to have a player who commands double teams and stops the pocket from forming.

          Production in the form of sacks and hurries is something they are less concerned with owning to simple math…if one guy stones two olinemen than it stands to reason that the LB’s and Edge players get to the QB quicker.

  48. Justin Mullikin

    Hey Rob!

    I’ve been reading your blog for a few years now. Though I hardly make comments. I have a thought on the upcoming change to the Seahawks Defense.

    I think Pete Carroll and company are going to focus on the defensive line… again. Because well.. an elite defense line can change the game and win you games. Look at the LA Rams, look what Ohio State just did to USC.

    Also, if we move on from a few of the aging, injured members of the LOB, we are still left with some young talented players like Griffin, Maxwell (if we choose to keep him), Coleman (always seems to make plays), Thomas, Mcdougall etc.

    And we are not that far away.

    Frank Clark looks the part.

    S. Richardson and J. Reed look good.
    Even D. Jordan is providing a spark.

    Also is Malik McDowell ever going to play again? Do we know?

    I like Marcus Davenport like you but I think a real game changer could be Vita Vea. A guy who can anchor the line for years to come. Because in the end what really costs us this year was our d lines inability to stop the run. It really should not always be on Wagner to make plays. The D line needs to hold its own against the run better.

    I realize we probably will have to make a move for him, but as you noted, small improvements are not going to change the direction of the franchise, We need a game changer. Now.

    Also, we need some speed at the linebacker position.

    P.S. Love you blog and your insights!

    • Rob Staton

      Thanks for the kind words and thanks for reading Justin.

      I’m a big Vita Vea fan. I think he’s going to go very early. I wouldn’t be against moving up to get him but it’ll be difficult considering they don’t have a second or third round pick this year or a second round pick in 2019.

  49. GoHawks5151

    Miami D looks so fast and aggressive. A lot of guys could be there in the 3rd-4th round sweet spot. RJ McIntosh looks like Naz type value. Chad Thomas looks nice too. Jaquan Johnson is the type of guy you want on your team. Good safety instincts. TJ Edwards from Wisconsin looks good too. In the Vince Beigel mold

  50. Smitty1547

    About the only thing that is about 99% certain is that we will not be moving up this year, and would be shocked if we don’t trade back.

    • Greg Haugsven

      Agreed, when it comes to mock drafts it’s actually better to look at numbers 26-36 as that’s about the range we will most likely be drafting.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Assuming g we might be drafting at 20 we could be looking at 2 trade backs. Maybe 20-26 which could net us a late third then maybe a 26-36 which could net us an early third. Draft could look like this:

        Early 2nd…36
        Early 3rd…68
        Late 3rd…90
        Native 4th

        Wouldn’t be bad.

        • Ed

          Outside of OL, I think biggest needs:


          Maybe a trade of a veteran (MB/ET/KW) to get another good pick

          • Del tre

            I think the Hawks are probably putting LB and DE above RB personally. Carroll wants us to be fast again, this is a year with enough linebacker talent to do that, especially if we can snag a guy similar to Bruce that can rush the edge

        • Smitty1547

          Id like it, unfortunately we have to not make playoffs for it to happen. In the long run an argument could be made that it would be best or at the very least take some of the sting out if we don’t make it.

  51. drewdawg11

    If we are at 20, we don’t have to trade out of the first round. We still don’t know what moves will be made before then. Will they trade a veteran or two? I would maybe trade back once, but eventually he lack of depth in this draft in the overall quality of first round values should dictate we don’t completely skip the first round again. Last year it backfired in McDowell. I would also say that it’s bitten us before, (One really good year of Paul Richardson over Joel Bitonio).

    • Greg Haugsven

      We also had 2nd and 3rd round d picks then. If they have 20 1st round grades and you trade back you might as well trade out of the 1st entirely and grab two 3rds.

      • drewdawg11

        That’s flawed logic because we all know what happens when you try to get too cute. You miss on players. You can’t count on getting the guy you really want if you keep moving back. Honestly, I still think something could happen with Earl. The cold, hard reality is that he’s the one guy who could fetch a great haul, and coincidentally, clear some cap space. Say they decide to move on from the legion as we know it. You could possibly have an extra first round pick. If you do trade him, it won’t be a team like the browns who are in their infant stages of rebuilding again. It would be a team who is probably already a playoff team, or even on the cusp of the playoffs and need that extra veteran leadership and playmaking. Let’s say that pick is in the 20s. You should probably keep the earlier pick and then trade the other pick, (the traded pick), to a team looking at a QB. I just hate the idea that we keep moving back and end up with someone who is hit and miss production-wise. The pass rushers we need don’t last long. If we were fortunate enough to have two first rounders, I would actually want to go for the impact player. Perhaps trade up and use a future third/second, then trade that other pick down and recoup. We definitely need an edge presence.

        • AlaskaHawk

          At #20 the Seahawks still have their choice of linebacker/defensive end, a guard who can start and play well on day 1, or the second to third running back off the board. The only position that they can move back without incurring more risk is running back and perhaps linebacker.

        • Greg Haugsven

          If that indeed does happen then that changes everything. I was just basing my opinion on what we have. I would be fine just trading back once as well and grabbing an Edge/LB and a RB with those 2 picks, in either order.

          • Greg Haugsven

            Plus if we do trade back into the 2nd then we can get that early 3rd instead of a late 3rd. A good RB might not be available by then. Just some thoughts. If we could trade back and somehow get that teams late 2nd then one trade would be fine.

            • AlaskaHawk

              Walter Football has both Davenport and Billy Price available at #20, both may be chosen befor seahawks and certainly won’t last through the first round. I think the Seahawks need to get quality starters and either one would be an immediate starter.

              The whole trading back theme has not worked well for offensive linemen. Seahawks currently carry 15 linemen and only 3-4 are desirable starters.

            • AlaskaHawk

              Also – if Seahawks hadn’t got cute and traded back to second round for Paul Richardson (fan reaction: who?) we wouldn’t be having this conversation about how much to offer him for another year.

              Does anyone think it would be worth it to train Ifedi without that extra year of rookie contract?

              • drewdawg11

                Another good point. If you’re drafting in round one that option year is key. You also don’t have to offer it if things aren’t working out.

    • Del tre

      If McDowell comes in and has 10 sacks in 8 games next season was the pick still a bad one? Lets wait until we know decisively before we start slamming the Seahawks for their tradebacks

      • Greg Haugsven

        You have to also look at both parts of the trade back. They were going to select McDowell at 31 anyways. They got him at 35 and added another player as well. (Hill, Darboh, Jones) what would you rather have?

        McDowell or McDowell and Naz Jones?

        • Greg Haugsven

          It was the same thing in 2014 when they traded back twice. They would have selected Paul Richardson with no trade back.

        • AlaskaHawk

          You still lose the potential of an extra year at cheaper rookie rates. Also the statistics indicate that first round players are more successful than later round players.

  52. Greg Haugsven

    Naz Jones to IR. Swopes promoted from PS.

    • schuemansky

      Could be another sign for JG not being offered a contract?

      • Peanut

        Nick Vannett and Luke Wilson both picked up small injuries this week.

    • Del tre

      There goes our best DT, brutal year for injuries

      • John_s

        He hasn’t played in 4-5 weeks

        • Del tre

          I know, that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have been great to have back for the playoffs.

          • Nem Beselek

            Doesn’t IR end at the end of the regular season? They may have changed this rule, but I think that’s the way it used to work.

            If so, and we end up making the playoffs (which is moderately big IF, if you ask me) then we are just stashing him there for the weekend, and freeing up a roster spot for Swopes.

    • AlaskaHawk

      This has been a crazy year for injuries. The Seahawks are lucky to be in as good a spot as they are in. Personally – I’m hoping for that win #10- which puts Pete Carroll and the Seahawks team in elite territory with 8 seasons of 10+ wins. Only 5 (?) other teams have done that.

    • C-Dog

      Naz Jones was a big loss to the defense in December, IMO.

  53. John_s


    @JayGlazer saying that #Seahawks HC Pete Carroll *may* retire at the end of the season. Says decision is up to him.

    • Ed

      I said a few weeks back he looks tired. With the defense possibly in transition, I wondered if PC would think about stepping away for a year then heading back to a warm college to finish his career.

    • C-Dog

      If I were a betting man, I would still bet that Carroll stays around. He just signed a 3 year extension last year, and he has talked recently about wanting to continue coaching into his 70s, per John Clayton.

      The Glazer piece feels like speculation, IMO.

      However, maybe he doesn’t want to be forced to rebuild. Maybe ownership has soured on some of his coaching staff and older players, and Carroll is in disagreement.

      It is interesting that the Sheldon and Brown trades happened the way they did, maybe Carroll did sense that window shrinking and it was on throw all the chips on the table.

      It’s going to be a very interesting offseason.

      One thing to keep in mind is that if Carroll doesn’t want to rebuild but also doesn’t want to retire, Seattle could trade him.

    • Kenny Sloth

      Oh is it his decision?

      There is zero information here.

      He definitely doesnt say “sources close to coach say”

      So take this with a rock of salt

      • Rob Staton

        • Kenny Sloth

          I could see him wanting a new project, but retirement is just not who he is.

          He’s gonna go until his loved ones won’t let him.

        • C-Dog

          That’s the Pete Carroll I know and love. Go Hawks!

    • Del tre

      I may also retire, decision up to me. Kind of ridiculous when Carroll talked about getting back to being the fastest this off season. I think this kind of thing is purely conjecture based off his age.

      • C-Dog

        It is.

  54. Kenny Sloth

    Nice punt Minnesota. I love that shit

  55. Greg Haugsven

    You have to appreciate Cleveland battling for there lives to not go 0-16. I know the Steelers have players out but they are fighting.

    • Volume12

      At least the city of Cleveland gets their parade for going 0-16.

  56. C-Dog

    Pete Carroll is NOT retiring. Best football news of the week. Go Hawks!

  57. Forrest

    Lockett!!!! That was great!!!

  58. Volume12

    That’s my guy! Gets some blocks and look what he can do.

  59. Volume12

    How does Cleveland have 2 of the top 4 picks this year?

    • John_s

      They got the Houston pick when the Texans traded up to get Watson

  60. drewdawg11

    Glad the defense showed up today. Great call by bevell having Doug block someone on the edge on 3rd and 1.

  61. drewdawg11

    I’ve changed my mind. In hindsight, perhaps we should have traded with the bears for our DT instead of Sheldon. He’s not giving us anything. What’s wrong with the guy?

    • Volume12

      Same thing that’s been wrong with him for the past couple seasons. Sleep walks most of the time and occasionally turns it on.

      • drewdawg11

        He’s slept through almost the whole season. Whenever I watched the he’s play he was across the LOS and affecting plays. He’s 26 and trying to get paid. This goes beyond loafing.

  62. Volume12

    Love the announcers saying ‘Seattle wouldn’t be in this position if…’ Ehh. Let’s cut ya off right there my man. We all know you mean if they hadn’t signed Blair Walsh.

  63. Volume12

    Yeah, Jon Ryan kinda sucks.

    • Volume12

      On another note. The 9ers are quickly becoming a team to watch out for.

    • Trevor

      Hawks might want to consider using one of their 5th round picks for a kicker and one of their 7th for the punter from Texas.

      Our special teams have not been good this year.

  64. Rowdy

    I’m not even mad at how pathetic this team looks, it’s just funny at this point lol

    • Volume12

      Feel the same way. Can’t help it but to laugh.

    • Volume12

      Love PC and always will, but I kinda want to see him have one more run in the college game to be honest. With him when things are great their great! When they’re bad, they’re good.

    • Volume12

      The thing that bums me out is they’ve lost that home field mystique. Its no longer one of the toughest places to play.

  65. Forrest

    Ugh. This defense.

  66. Greg Haugsven

    Our new team name should be the Seattle Thirdandlongs

  67. drewdawg11

    No matter how bad the cardinals are, we always choke against them at home. Sometimes it’s really crappy calls, sometimes uninspired play. If this is how they look when they need to win… tear it down.

  68. Ishmael

    This isn’t a FiRE beVELL !!1! post per se, but the offense is broken.

    Obviously don’t have the answer. But there needs to be some pretty unpleasant soul-searching done from top to bottom of the organisation. It’s absolute jokeshop stuff.

    • Forrest

      TBH, most of the team looks broken. Major changes need to happen this off-season.

      • Greg Haugsven

        Something just isn’t right. The players aren’t going anywhere. Can a new RB be the fix or does a coach or two just need changing?

        • Volume12


        • Ishmael

          Both. It’s always both. No easy answers unfortunately.

        • AlaskaHawk

          Both = should have been done after second superbowl.

          On a side note, seeing Marshawn Lynch having a good day running for Oakland reminds me of how generous the Seahawks were in renegotiating his contract – and how he left anyway.

  69. Pran

    Panthers are shitting the bed on the other side.. no need to worry about ours.
    PCJS along with rest of the coaching staff screwed Hawks for 3rd straight season, and in the process next 2 seasons too with all the aged and injured players on contract and lost draft picks. I think we will get to pick next Earl with a top 10 pick in 2019.

    • Volume12

      I think JS went all in on this season for a reason. He sensed something was up.

      • Pran

        I just wish the org bars him from trading day 1 and 2 picks going forward and bring fresh talent in to player evaluation and scouting.

        • Volume12

          Yeah, but if it’s a rebuild like some want and they may need, then one draft doesn’t fix that. It’s a multi year process.

          • Pran

            It takes more seasons with lost picks in next 2 drafts. JS buys high and sells low always. Let’s see if he can trade players for high picks this time.

            • Volume12

              You’ll never fill all our your holes if it’s that dire in 1 draft. 2 extra picks might help, they might not. Unless it’s a pass rusher, LT, or QB odds are they aren’t changing a franchise anyways.

  70. Greg Haugsven

    Wow is are offense abysmal

  71. Volume12

    Lockett wide a** open, but Russ is under pressure as soon as his backfoot hits.

  72. Greg Haugsven

    Or maybe the Seattle Canwepleasejustgetafirstdowns

  73. Rik

    Wilson just got sacked on 3rd down by a 3-man rush! How is that even possible? One first down so far in the first half. Our offense is a crapfest. Sorry for the language, Rob, but this is unacceptable.

    • Volume12

      Its happened almost every game. A free rusher barreling down on him.

  74. drewdawg11

    Russel can’t find anyone. Why? Two receivers are running a route within 5 yards of each other. His primary should be Lockett on the go but he gave up too early and he was wide open. You can’t hold the ball that long.

    • Pran

      Russ regressed beyond we think. He needs a reboot. I still do not understand why Pete is letting this happen for 3rd week. I guess no one cares from coaches to players at this time, or may be Pete is in fact retiring.

      • Volume12

        He’s a one-read QB and always has been. He’s not a Brees or Brady and that’s fine, but he needs a running game.

        • C-Dog

          He definitely needs a run game. It’s the difference in the game, IMO.

        • drewdawg11

          You’re completely off base. They’ve allowed this offense to deteriorate because of the poor line play and he’s got to be Superman back there to move the ball. One read and go? You don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • Volume12

            OK. What your saying about me not knowing what I’m talking about, I’m actually agreeingg with you.

            He needs a running game absolutely. The O-line is bad, and if you don’t think Russ is a one read and panic QB, then that’s fine too. Plenty of great QBs have been.

            • drewdawg11

              Not agreeing with me if you say he’s a one read and go QB. Those guys aren’t successful in the NFL. I don’t know your football background, but mine is with QBs and offensive play calling. That statement really struck a bad cord with me in regards to Russell Wilson. These coaches and John Schneider have let him down at times.

  75. Rowdy

    This game proves that major changes from top to bottom need to happen. A must win game and no one even seems to care enough to even try.

  76. Rowdy

    At least the officials are still as bad as ever

  77. Ishmael

    Horrible hit in the Rams-Niners game. Tough game to love sometimes.

    • Greg Haugsven

      Goodwin got hit hard, his arms were doing weird things. Not good at all.

      • Ishmael

        Yep, lost control, nervous system doing its own thing. That sort of defensive ‘hitting’ is a massive problem. The guy left his feet with reckless intent, as soon as you do that you have no way of stopping – or controlling
        – the hit. The NFL need to seriously consider losing at least the helmets, if not the pads as well.

        • Greg Haugsven

          That guy I believe should have been ejected. Dirty hit.

  78. Greg Haugsven

    41 yards and 1 first down. You couldn’t imagine it could get worse than last week. Oh but it can.

    • Pran

      Can we get Austin Davis pls..

  79. Rowdy

    I’d be shocked if even rob doesn’t call out DB after this game. Seriously calling the same play the whole game would of been a better gameplan.

    • Pran

      There is no game plan.. every player get to run their own and see what happens.

  80. CestrianHawk

    Hard to watch. Made even worse on GamePass by having to listen to the Arizona commentators.

  81. Del tre

    I dislike that we say there are no obvious options as replacements for Cable and Bevell, it wouldn’t be too hard to steal Ohio States offensive line coach, Greg Studrawa is only in his second year yet he has one of the best OLs in the country, I’m not quite the anticable guy but thats an obvious replacement, oh and before that he helped coach LSU’s line so he’s great at teaching run blocking.
    Clemson has two co-offensive coordinators, you’re telling me we couldn’t poach one of them away?

    • Greg Haugsven

      There is always replacements.

  82. FuzzyLOgic

    Unwatchable. Predictable. Clean house from top to bottom. We may sniff the playoffs in 2020’s but unlikely .

  83. Greg Haugsven

    I stand corrected, we only have 24 yards. Holy Shit is that even possible. I know we lost a drive to the KO return but damn.

    • Ishmael

      😂 Are you serious? That’s hilariously awful. Has to be close to a record?

  84. Volume12

    ‘Just you watch!’ Says Pete.

    Hope he doesn’t mean more of Russ running for his life.

  85. Volume12

    Oh my goodness! Nkemdiche is a freak!

  86. Volume12

    Haha! Pete is so pissed dude threw his gum.

  87. Volume12

    Ahhh f***! Don’t tell me Blair Walsh is about to attempt a 52 yarder.

  88. Volume12

    My god! Did I just see Russ have a clean pocket?

  89. C-Dog

    See what happens when you give RW a positive run game? He suddenly looks like a much better QB. Go figure.

    Go Hawks

  90. Forrest

    Now we got a game!

  91. Greg Haugsven

    I think the progress (or lack of) of Ifedi will be a big reason for sucess/failure of our offense next year.

  92. Greg Haugsven

    And back to 3rd and long.

  93. GoHawks5151

    Uggh 28 years punt. Ryan is gone with Blair

    • GoHawks5151


      • Pran

        Costed 13 points.. all teams is trash for 2nd season responsible for killing seasons…

  94. Ishmael

    I’m pretty ready for a new punter tbh

  95. Trevor

    No matter what happens today this is simply not a good football team right now and heads into off season as the 3rd best team in the division. Everything should be on the table with regards to changes and turnover.

    • Ishmael

      That’s not always the most helpful thing though. Look at the Panthers last year, had an absolute shocker, drafted eighth, retooled a bit, got a bit lucky and now they’re rolling into the playoffs pretty comfortably again. Continuity is generally a pretty good indicator of success.

      • Trevor

        The Panthers are not an SB team though IMO and have major issues too. Continuity is always preferred but this team has serious issues and is playing much worse than their record IMO.

        • Ishmael

          I dislike the current trend towards Super Bowl or bust, especially given the concurrent trend that the only way to make a SB is to tear everything down and start over. The league is designed to tear successful teams down and, for the most part, it succeeds. If the Patriots ever played in a semi-competitive conference, let alone division, we’d see them facing similar issues.

          I think we’re in a tricky spot, and I agree with you that it needs to be a brutal offseason. But I don’t think a full teardown is the answer. They need some new voices and new ideas in the building. I’d have a serious think about turfing Pete’s sons and ex-USC staff, but that’s because I loathe nepotism as much as anything else.

    • Del tre

      I think we are close but we put too much on Russell and Bobby this season. This offseason we need to spend almost all of our picks on defense, draft Jaleel Scott so Russell has a panic read at receiver, and if we can get Benny Snell late we should have a legit #1 back

    • AlaskaHawk

      The defense is fine and has some good young players coming up. Normal draft picks will supplement. That appears to be the SEahawks strength = picking and training defense.

      Its the offense that is the problem. 15 linemen and only 3 draft picks worth starting. Bad play design, bad coaching.

  96. Ishmael

    Are we missing a real big boy in the middle? A genuine fatty who can soak up a double team?

    • Trevor

      That was the role Mebane did so well.

      • Ishmael

        That’s what I’ve been thinking. Our LBs aren’t being kept as clean as they were a couple of years back. Might be one of those little things that impacts on play speed.

  97. Trevor

    Nice Rawls! What is he thinking.

    • Icb12


      All he had to do was keep his mouth shut.

      Run the damn ball. Do your job.

    • Forrest

      Cost them points for sure.

      • Rowdy

        Yea because a field goal is atimatic for us lol

    • Pran

      3 point swing

      • Trevor

        He should not see the field again.

    • Kenny Sloth

      He’d been doing it all game too

      • peter

        seems like he does it every carry. or close to it

    • Rowdy

      If talking trash is a penalty every team would have 20+ penalties of game just for that

      • Pran

        Rawls need one big hit n run so he can pass off that emotion and be him self.

  98. Kenny Sloth

    Go Duvks

  99. Pran

    Wow.. hawks show their play even before snap for a 3 yard loss.

  100. Trevor

    Would not want to play the Chargers in the Wild Card round.

  101. Greg Haugsven

    I feel if they did a whole crowd shot you might see tigers and elephants because it looks like a damn circus.

    • Trevor

      I know the carnival music should be playing in the background. 3 straight games for the offense. They flat out look lost.

  102. peter

    luke, Luke, luke…..

  103. Volume12

    Penalties. SMH.

    • Volume12

      Those have hurt just as much as all the injuries have.

    • Trevor

      Yeah it is brutal. The lack of discipline is so frustrating because unlike previous years this team is not good enough to overcome it. That falls on Pete IMO.

  104. Del tre

    Look what happens when we use McKissick, good things thats what.

  105. Del tre

    The NFL has a pretty obvious bias against the Hawks half these calls are total BS

    • Trevor

      Agree but when you have a rep for being undisciplined that happens.

      • Del tre

        Officiating is in no way objective, that roughing the passer wouldn’t have been called on our black mobile QB.
        The Falcons only had to ask if they wanted PI against us, and they pushed off nearly every play. The XFL might be more appealing if only for the lack of an obvious agenda.

        • Ishmael

          It’s never going to be objective though. That’s human nature. Teams, and individuals, get reputations that lead to subconscious bias. You could find a penalty to call on every single play if you really wanted to, referees are keyed into the Hawks pushing boundaries so they look for it more.

          • Del tre

            Very fair, but also very irritating. Those comments were made in haste. Perhaps what i dislike is that the NFL doesn’t seem to try and combat it

            • Ishmael

              Yeah I feel you. I think it’s one of those things I blame on the Hawks a bit tbh. Pete has always always pushed things to the limit. Which is a good quality in a lot of ways, but this is always going to be the downside. You put yourself out there, you better expect the scrutiny. Not sure there’s an easy answer

            • Ishmael

              Hundred billion percent agree with you about mobile black QBs not getting protected though. That continues to be a disgrace.

  106. Volume12

    Looking back, they probably wished they would’ve shadowed Fitz with Shaq.

    • Del tre

      I agree 100%, very excited to see Shaq overtake Sherman this offseason, expecting major steps forward and with this kids attitude and tenacity i expect him to follow through.

  107. Volume12

    Russ is out here hurdlin’ cats!

    • Volume12

      God da!n dime right there! Whew!

      • Kenny Sloth

        Unplayable. Just unplayable for that DB

        • Trevor

          +1 that was too good.

  108. Trevor

    Carolina looks like they are going to lose so it won’t matter but would have been nice to see the Hawks play well to end the season.

    Russ will probably pull a rabbit oout of his hat and lead the Hawks to a win but this has been one ugly game.

    • Trevor

      On Cue TD pass to Baldwin. Too funny. Say what you want about Russ there is no quit in him.

      • peter

        I know Russell has had some tough games but to the hsu’s of the world…..seattles trading this guy? get a grip twitter!

        • Rowdy

          As much as Russ shots himself in the foot the is a franchise QB. I looks to me a great deal of his problem is not trusting the oline and who could blame him?

          • peter

            no doubt. too many free rushers have made him jittery. but when the games on the line….

          • Trevor

            +1 any other QB would be injured or gun shy from being hit so much ie: David Carr.

  109. Hawk Eye

    Marshawn just went over 10,000 yards for his career.
    I think that gets him into the Hall of Fame
    That, and the results from the last 2 years of the Hawks trying to replace him should get him a few more votes……

  110. Volume12

    Need to rush Clark from a 2 point stance more often. He should be a pass rusher you get exotic with. That dude in a 3-4 would have like 14 sack seasons.

    • Trevor

      I have always said that he would be the ultimate 3-4 lb. He got a sack in pre season like that.

      Priority #1 this off season should be to lock him up.

  111. Greg Haugsven

    Just silly mistakes all season. Cmon Bobby

  112. peter

    even with this team this year, would seattle be 13-3 if they had even half the penalties?

  113. Ishmael

    Panthers down 12 with no TOs and 1.44 left. Not going to happen. Season over. A deeply, deeply, frustrating one. Lot of soul searching to do. Hopefully it helps a few people in the fandom reset expectations and get a bit of a grip, but I won’t hold out too much hope.

    • Trevor

      We are a spoiled fan base and the pitch forks will be out. I think it is the way we lost games and how we looked so bad for long stretches which has most fans so upset and wanting change. The consistently awful OL for years will be the spark for most including myself.

    • Volume12

      Kind of a catch 22 season for me. It sucks that we won’t get to watch them again for 7-8 months, breaks their playoff streak. At the same time, it might be needed.

      • Volume12

        * feels like its needed

      • Ishmael

        Agree with both of you. Sucks that we’re out of the playoffs, but this team looks jaded. A proper reset and reboot might not be the worst thing.

  114. Kenny Sloth

    Savor these last 2 minutes gentlemen…

  115. Volume12

    P-Rich would still be running.

  116. Trevor

    I know he has flaws but I love Russ!

  117. GoHawks5151

    Who is hoping Blair pulls a Blair right now?

    • GoHawks5151

      Wow…. No way…

  118. Trevor

    What a fitting end to this season!

    • Pran

      Best suicide act in recent times… they know what Blair Walsh is.. still they killed so much clock without gaining any yards or trying for a touchdown!

    • Ishmael

      Ahahaha unbelievable. Couldn’t make it up.

  119. peter

    Blair Walsh, we hardly knew ya

    • Trevor

      Knew him for 16 games too many.

  120. AlaskaSouth

    Well, that kind of sums up the season. I’ll take the better draft pick.

  121. Volume12

    Hahahahah! Look at Pete’s face. That’s me every time Walsh kicks.

    Had a costly kick in this game, the Washington game , and maybe the Atlanta game due to him.

    • Volume12

      Injuries, penalties, no running game, lack of fundamentals, and if Seattle had a better K they still probably end up with 11-12 wins.

    • GoHawks5151

      Does this help or draft position at all?

      • Greg Haugsven

        It’s up to strength of schedule now. About 4-5 teams at 9-7

        • House

          We’re drafting between 17-20, I’m guessing its 19 or 20

    • Leosharp

      Why did so much of the fanbase see this coming but the team couldn’t? They never brought in competition even when he looked terrible before the season.

  122. Greg Haugsven

    Would have been nice to win but our pick should be better.

  123. FuzzyLOgic

    So what pick in the draft do we get?

    • Greg Haugsven

      There will be 5 non playoff teams at 9-7. We will pick between 16-20. Depends on Strength of Schedule


      • Greg Haugsven

        If Baltimore wins we have pick #18

  124. schuemansky

    Most valuable kick this season from Walsh, I am actually thankful.

  125. Volume12

    I beleive its like this, draft order:

    20. Buffalo
    19. San Diego
    18. Detroit
    17. Seattle
    16. Dallas

    • Volume12

      Buffalo had the 4th toughest Strength of schedule or SOS. Chargers 5th, Dallas 10, Detroit 21, Seattle at 25, but we beat Dallas head to head

      • Greg Haugsven

        Chargers beat Buffalo…I don’t think head to head matters

      • Volume12

        Or San Diego at 20 if Baltimore misses out since San Diegol beat Buffalo head to head.

  126. AlaskaHawk

    Not only should Blair Walsh be fired but whoever hired him should be fired along with him.

  127. Ed

    Please make coaching changes and open the offense up. Let the old defensive veterans go.

  128. Greg Haugsven

    Well Baltimore just lost, maybe

  129. House

    Crazy season guys…

    I’m definitely not happy, but I’m not sh*tting on or turning my back on this team. We went through disastrous injuries and no team would be able to survive what we went through.

    That being said, we have a lot of things to figure out… Time will tell…


  130. Greg Haugsven

    Seahawks will have pick #18

  131. Volume12

    1-4 in your last 5 games is impressive.

    On the bright side, we all had the same amount of NFL wins as the Browns did. Happy New Year?

    • Volume12

      * 5 home games.

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