New simulation: What if the Seahawks traded for Ngakoue?

I had a request to record a new mock draft using the superb Pro Football Network simulator. This time, however, the projection would include a pre-draft trade with Jacksonville for Yannick Ngakoue. Here are the results and some thoughts…

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  1. Murphy

    Rob, when you look at these two scenarios (the two videos you’ve made), which so you think produces the better team? For both this upcoming year and beyond.

    • Rob Staton


      I think they’ve should’ve sorted out the pass rush before doing anything else and then used the strong positions in the draft to their advantage.

      • RWIII

        Agreed. I don’t like the idea of trading away a high draft pick. When can sign a free agent.

  2. Matt

    Finally did a simulation that played out in a realistic way (IMO)

    44. WR KJ Hamler
    59. DE Curtis Weaver
    64. OLB Josh Uche
    75. RB Cam Akers
    101. C Tyler Biadasz
    133. CB Bryce Hall
    144. OG Logan Stenberg
    160. OT Hakeem Adeniji
    214. DE James Smith-Williams

    I could see something like that happening. Not sure Stenberg and Adeniji fall that far, but the top 6 picks seem pretty reasonable IMO.

  3. Volume12

    Zack Moss to me is the most similar to Chris Carson in terms of running style in this class. I think his floor is a LenDale White when he was in Tennessee.

    I’m a huge fan of Marlon Davidson. I know your hesitant because he played half the snaps against the run, but IMO that’s more of a scheme issue and DC preference than a case of him not wanting to do it.

    • JJ

      Derek Wolfe signs with Ravens. 1 year $6mil. Hopefully takes them out of run for clowney.

      • Rob Staton

        What a pro-active off-season for Baltimore.

        Measured, ambitious, improving a loaded roster.

        • Duceyq

          It’s a lot easier when Lamar is on his rookie deal. Seattle doesn’t have that advantage anymore.

      • RWIII

        J.J. I was thinking the same thing. Now that the Ravens have traded for Calias Campbell and signed Wolfe I don’t think they will go after Clowney. But there are still a few teams with cap space that can come up and snag Clowney.

        Sad reality.

    • Rob Staton

      It’s not just that with Davidson though. For me he did his best work off the edge as a pass rusher but I can’t feel any confidence at all in him doing that at the next level with his body type. So he kicks inside — and then it’s all projection. He’s built like a three-technique but can he do it?

      And you say it was scheme vs the run — but what if it wasn’t?

      • Eburgz

        I’ve been pretty torn on him. Is he a 300 pound tweener? Or is he a versatile ass kicker?

        Either he ends up a 3T guy ( total projection). Or he should lose some of that bulk so he can be quicker on the end. I say he should lose the weight and be an inside-out DE kinda guy. That’s kinda what we drafted Collier to do so the skill set seems a little redundant. Anyone know how he graded against the run according to PFF (whatever it’s worth).

      • Volume12

        I don’t think he’s gonna give ya double digit sacks or anything but he’s got some unique flexibility for his size which will suit him well.

        75% of this is projection. Yoy know all this. There’s only so many ‘safe’ prospects each year. When has Seattle ever settled for safe when it comes to drafting D-lineman?

        IMO he absolutely can. Let him shoot gaps.

        What would it be? They only liked him half the time against the run but not the other 49%? Or did they want their best and only pass rushing EDGE this year on the field for specifically that?

  4. Matt

    I think you did a fine job with this draft, but this just reinforces why it is beyond stupid to trade for Ngakoue and let Clowney walk. It completely handicaps this team.

    The way your draft plays out is nice but I’m struggling to see anyone picked making any sort of relevant difference for this team in 2020. Jones? I mean maybe he’s Germain Ifedi? Davis and Lawrence are nice players – hardly difference makers.

    The way this offseason is going – wouldn’t shock me if 2021 is Pete and John’s last year. This team is not improving and more importantly – the process has been bad for a few years now (draft, free agency, cap management).

    • LAHawk

      If Pete leaves it’ll be because he’s retiring. If John Schneider leaves we’ll be in a bad situation. I know some fans have been vocally unhappy, but c’mon, the team has had pretty consistent success for year while going through almost a complete roster turnover. Players publicly declare how much they like playing for the Seahawks. The team has had some questionable draft choices but has also done smart things like trading back to maximize the number of draft picks and picking up quality pieces like Diggs, Dunbar, and Clowney for cheap. I’ve been frustrated by some moves but it’s unrealistic IMO to think the PCJS era is close to over.

      • Rob Staton

        I don’t want anyone to leave.

        I also don’t want us to waste the amazing culture and the prime years of a top franchise quarterback because we’re dicking around in free agency being a bit too clever by half.

    • God of Thunder

      Pete and/or JS could leave b/c “ This team is not improving”

      It’s late March in a Chinese zoonotic, wet market, pandemic and you are sure the team isn’t improving?

      Tell ya what. Keep this post in mind and I’ll etransfer you enough money for 6 pints by training camp if the team isn’t improved 👍🏼😊

  5. Volume12

    Someone brought him up on your last post. DE Trevis Gipson.

    He’s super ‘Seahawky’ from a traits standpoint. Has appealing upside and I’ll be shocked if he’s not a FaceTime (what would be a VMAC) visit.

    • Henry Taylor

      Gipson, along with Quez Watkins and Alex Taylor, has become a player I’ve been targeting late on in these mocks; fits the physical profile and flashes some great upside. Definite sleeper pick.

      • Volume12

        He HAS to do a better jobnof getting off blocks and using his hands. Everything is there for Gipson on tape from a ‘moldable, there’s a lot to work with there’ POV though. And holy sh** was he held a lot or just me?

        I also liked the trust the coaching staff showed in him to line up in so many different spots even if it didn’t exactly play to his strengths. Plays hard, liked his ability to pursue. He’s very much a PC developmental pass rusher.

        • Henry Taylor

          Exactly, attitude and ability are both their, he just has plenty of development to do. He seems to have some leadership props to him as well, probably as a result of being the alpha on Tulsa’s defence.

          To me, he’s one of the few rushers in this class, outside of the top two or three rounds, that shows some actual upside.

          • Volume12

            I 100% agree about your last point.

    • Michael Hasslinger

      I love Gipson. Give him the Ursua treatment. Get some sand in his pants, teach him to counter. Hell, maybe by January you got something. No different than Okwara or YGM or Zuniga. The only end with a decent counter is Greenard. I love Greenard.

      ZunigabGreenard 2nd round may be our ticket.

      • clbradley17

        From NFL.Com “He started all 12 games for the Golden Hurricanes as a junior, racking up 46 tackles, nine for loss, and four sacks while tying for second in the FBS with five forced fumbles. Gipson was even more productive as a senior, garnering first-team All-American Athletic Conference accolades by leading Tulsa with 15 tackles for loss and eight sacks among his 49 total stops (also posting two forced fumbles in 12 games with 11 starts).”

        Would be a great day 3 pickup like Jacob Martin was a couple years ago, 6’3″ 261 with 34″ arms and plays like his hair is on fire. Highlights –

  6. Volume12

    Anyone watched OK St. G Marcus Keyes? Woof. Pauline reported Seattle showed interest in his pro day and I don’t get it. Maybe because he’s consistently started?

    Give me TCU’s Cordel Iwuagwu or ULL’s Kevin Dotson if we’re talking late Day 3-UDFA type guards.

    • clbradley17

      Dotson had a great Shrine week, and was named best practice player of the week or something like that. Haven’t heard of Iwuagwu, but hope we get several very good DL and OL players in the draft since the offseason so far has been underwhelming except for Dunbar.

  7. Dab

    With Clowney refusing to sign, at what point do the Hawks demand an ultimatum? The nightmare scenario is that Clowney delays signing with another team until the summer and the Hawks are left holding the bag. They simply cannot go into the season with only “improving” the pass rush by swapping Irvin for Clowney. And the longer they wait, the more desperate they will become and the price of a trade goes higher. I say you move on from Clowney and concentrate on either trading for Ngakoue or Dupree.

    • Rob Staton

      Who knows?

      I didn’t think we’d be two weeks in and the pass rush would be worse than it was last season.

      • clbradley17

        +12 Rob. This has been a very frustrating FA season for us except for Dunbar. According to over the, we only have a little over 11 mil. left, and that’s without setting a few million aside for rookies and injuries.

        There’s a lot of players at the bottom of the roster we could cut and save several million, plus Joey Hunt and Brandon Jackson are scheduled to make 2.1 mil. each this year. Still not sure why we signed Cedric O, who didn’t play last year plus is very injury-prone, and he counts 2.2 mil. against the cap, Finney and Shell 3.5 mil. each.

        After stating that it’s a major need this year, I can’t understand why JS didn’t have plan A, B, C, D and E ready in case Clowney didn’t sign immediately. We could’ve gone after Fowler and Hargraves, or any combination of DL since that was their main focus, then had enough left over for Dunbar and a couple OL. If we were to give Clowney or anyone a 1 yr. deal, we couldn’t afford that cap hit all in one year – if it’s a 4 year deal then we could back-load it and make a lot of it signing bonus so there’s low cap hit at least in year one.

        My understanding is that the new CBA made the cap several mil. less than it was before, and with signing TE Olsen and tendering a few RFAs, the cap was almost 15 mil. less than the 45 mil. it was projected that we’d have. Also I think that with pro days and flights for medical evaluations canceled, this threw a major monkey wrench into everything that’s never been seen before. JS or others were’nt allowed to fly to meet, sign or get players checked out medically, and they couldn’t come here. Late Feb.-early March it was all over CNN and every news channel that most virus cases and deaths were in and around Seattle, so that major unknown could be a factor in a lot of players not wanting to sign with the Seahawks and bring their families here. Might seem like an excuse, but I’ll bet JS had other options that were on the table before the city/state/country, flights, pro days and medicals were shut down. He may have also explored trades for DTs Campbell and Casey, or WR Hopkins and they and others didn’t want to bring their kids, wife and mom here with the situation at red alert when FA started. The same may be said for the Jets and Giants going forward now that they are the epicenter in the U.S.

        • Rob Staton

          They seem to have signed a lot of players and eaten a lot of cap room and none of us can say with any certainty that the signings made have improved the team.

          The O-line additions are a key example. Sure, they have some depth and competition now. But who’s your starter at left guard, right tackle and maybe center? Every position carries a big question mark. They’re relying on competition to provide answers but what if, like 2016, the additions just aren’t good enough? Or the following year when they signed another former first round bust in Joeckel?

          Now they’ve limited their ability to be aggressive with the pass rush. They haven’t landed any key new additions on the defensive line. They’re stuck in a stalemate with Clowney and the alternative options are limited. If Clowney moves on and they sign Everson Griffen instead (which is no sure thing) — their book end pass rushers will both turn 33-years-old during the season. That’s incredible.

          And as I’ve said a few times already — I can’t quite believe it’s come to this.

          Surely it would’ve been better to get the pass rush sorted — even if it meant paying a bit more than you’d prefer — then let the Womack’s and Ogbuehi’s and Shell’s etc sort themselves out down the line if possible. Otherwise — it’s a good OL draft.

          It’s all very confusing.

          • clbradley17

            Extremely confusing. When they’ve stated before thay had specific priorites, they went after them. JS and PC have mentioned several times since the playoffs and it’s obvious the pass rush needs major upgrades. Also it seems like Irvin is a tier 2 or 3 player, they could’ve and should’ve gone after at least 2 tier 1 pass rushers on day 1. Wish they had tried the trade for Jurell Casey(we could have done better then the 7th he was traded for), he would’ve been a great upgrade at DT, could’ve let Reed walk and draft another DT like Davis or Blaylock. Fowler seemed like target 1 after you couldn’t get Clowney signed before FA, but they didn’t try for anyone other than Irvin it appears and just moved on to sign 3 average OL.

  8. Greg Haugsven

    Cant wait to watch it. Saw the Ravens just signed Garret Wolf for $6 million. Weakens any Clowney chance if there was one.

  9. Michael

    Hey, Rob could you do a simulation where the hawks trade back enough to accumulate all the picks of the 7th round? I really think that over 32 players with huge chips on their shoulders is the kind of talent the hawks need to win a super bowl.

  10. LantermanC

    “I don’t want to bore people and do one (mock draft) every day.”

    Rob, I can listen to you go through scenarios all day every day. I’m on quarantine (company is WFH for the past 2 weeks, and continued for the next 5 weeks), so you literally cannot bore me if you tried.”

    • Rob Staton

      Thanks man. I enjoy doing them but am wary people will become fatigued. But if there’s a demand I’ll keep churning them out.

      • brendon light

        I enjoy them. They’re fun and a good distraction!

      • Fudwamper

        Please keep churning them out on videos/situations, when I get home from the ED the second thing I do after taking a shower is read SDB.

        • Rob Staton

          If ED stands for Emergency Department then I have two things to reply to this. One, thank you for your heroic efforts during this time. Stay strong and know that we’re with you. Secondly, thank you for the kind words and it means a great deal to me to know that this blog provides any kind of comfort to people who are doing much more important things in this hour of need for the world.

          • DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX)

            Yes please. A draft every other day at least. How about one with CEH from LSU? Or another with two running backs? A “Let Russ cook” draft? Also one with a 2nd round emphasis? This blog is my main source so that may be why I want five or ten picks in the second round. Those long gaps in the simulation today were painful. How about another with risky picks shooting for stars?Another with high ceiling “safe bets”.

            Thanks Rob. Great work, as usual.

            • Rob Staton


      • Group captain mandrake

        Rob, I don’t think you will ever bore this lot with stuff like this. And if you do, we always have the option to not read certain articles. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’ve actually gotten to the point where I enjoy the analysis and team building more than the games themselves and you have a lot to do with that. Keep ’em coming.

        • Rob Staton

          Thank you

      • Comfect

        Definitely a demand. Although I can also see it potentially being frustrating for you to video as many of them as I think we’d ask for. Thanks for all you’re doing and for this site.

        • Rob Staton

          Not frustrating at all — if there’s a demand I’ll keep going.

      • God of Thunder

        I enjoy them

    • Kenny Sloth


      • Greg Haugsven

        I think for sure they are fun to do and watch. It will always be fun to listen to as long as the same scenario doesnt play out every time.

        • Producehawk

          I vote for one a day with a different emphasis guiding the start. I like to hear you address the players as the appear. Beats me doing my 50 tries a day!

          • Robert

            I’ll throw in, too. I love your content in general, and your “on-air” skills are, obviously, outstanding. Never, never understood why none of the Seattle radio folks made you a regular contributor, even if only during draft season.

  11. Eburgz

    Appreciate the new video Rob.

    I just did a one of these things with the assumption we will sign Clowney and a cheap run stuffer Al Woods type. There’s a couple players we obviously value > these rankings (Raekwon Davis & Isiah Wilson come to mind). I tried to avoid unrealistic options and go for seahawky players at positions of need.

    SEA 32.
    Julian Okwara
    DE Notre Dame

    SEA 59.
    Justin Madubuike
    DT Texas A&M

    SEA 64.
    Prince Tega Wanogho
    OT Auburn

    SEA 96.
    Willie Gay Jr.
    OLB Mississippi State

    SEA 101.
    Van Jefferson
    WR Florida

    SEA 133.
    Michael Ojemudia
    CB Iowa

    SEA 144.
    Zack Moss
    RB Utah

    SEA 214.
    Kevin Dotson
    G Louisiana

  12. Happy Hawk

    With Wolfe gone now is the time to stop screwing around and sign Clowney and Griffen. This frees up the draft. The PFN simulator is sick! I traded up with Carolina at 7 for Simmons. Rest of draft:

    7. Simmons OLB
    59. Clyde E-H RB
    101. Lawrence DT
    133. Stenburg G
    144. A Jennings DE
    214. T Adams T

    Clowney/Griffen/Simmons fixes the defense. CEH – perfect partner for Carson. Stenburg and Adams depth on OL.

    • KyleB

      If this entire scenario played out this way I would be doing backflips. Would have liked a wide receiver at 101 MAYBE. But still. Love it.

  13. Lewis


    You make the case that after this projection the team isn’t improved. I don’t mean to sound pessimistic, but I’m having a hard time at this point seeing a case where the team is improved even if they retain Clowney. Yes, they’d have earlier picks than in the Ngakoue scenario, but there’s no real help on the way as far as the pass rush goes. Not that seems any more reliable than depending on the young guys they already have, anyway.

    Unless someone already on the roster steps up big time or we get a rookie defender that has a DK Metcalf type of start to their career, is matching last year’s performance the realistic ceiling?

    • Rob Staton

      I’m starting to think matching last season will be difficult.

      • charlietheunicorn

        Cardinals will make a hard charge this season. The offense should be very explosive. (7-9 or 8-8)
        49ers may take a slight step back, but have enough pieces to be dangerous. (10-6)
        Rams should take a significant step back from the last few seasons. (7-9 or 8-8)

        That means the Seahawks should be in the (9-7 or 10-6). Offense should be better, just need the defense to get to #15 range, which I’m not sure yet if they can do that.

        NFCW and NFCS are both going to be really tough this season. Beating each other up and keeping their records under 11-5 for any one team. No team in the NFC is running away and hiding with the #1 seed.

      • GerryG

        I’m in this camp, Clowney gets signed this team is still not better.

        If Britt is a cap casualty then will have 3 new starters on OL, with probably no OTAs, and a training camp with less practice time. The OL will be a dumpster fire regardless of talent/skill.

        I posted yesterday I’m really struggling to see a path forward that is an improved roster.

        • Submanjoe

          Trey Flowers DE, Michael Bennett, Everson Griffen, Jadeveon Clowney, Michael Sinclair, Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril, Michael Strahan… to name just a select few current and former players… everybody just R..E..L..A..X Look at those players numbers for their first year or two or three in the NFL and think maybe just maybe Collier or Green might take some steps forward in the next year or two. All those players turned out pretty good or great but didn’t have great starts to their careers.

          Resigning Clowney and Reed might be enough, combined with Irvin over Ansah and potentially another rookie, to improve over last year. And every year is different. Not one player puts up the same exact numbers year after year.

          Anyways, that’s my rant.

          • Rob Staton

            Clowney and Reed isn’t enough. Neither is adding Bruce (who they chose not to sign before he joined Atlanta and Carolina).

            • Submanjoe

              I can’t predict the future, I don’t know what’s going to happen this coming season.
              I’d have liked them to have brought back Irvin, resigned Clowney, and added one more (I like Everson Griffen). But I admit that’s partially influenced by sites like this. Years ago I just watched and read about who they’d signed. Back in 2011 and 2013 Clemons and Avril and Bennett had had borderline careers. They weren’t stars at all. Solid rotational type players is all they were.
              I guess we’ll see how the season goes. We could argue as to whether last year’s disappointing end had more to do with the loss of Penny and Carson than the pass rush. Or whether the lack of weapons for Wilson hurt them more than the lack of pass rush.

              All this isn’t to say they shouldn’t solve the pass rush, they must. But there are unknowns at play here too.

              • Rob Staton

                Borderline careers?

                They were two big ticket free agents we didn’t dare dream of signing. It was a minor miracle how they ended up both signing in Seattle. Both were proven, productive defensive linemen.

                It’s simply not true that they were ‘rotational type players’. I can’t believe you’ve suggested that.

                Article when they signed Avril:

                Days after making a blockbuster trade for Percy Harvin, Pete Carroll and John Schneider have gone out and landed one of the premier free agents on the market.

                Article when they signed Bennett:

                Percy Harvin. Cliff Avril. Michael Bennett. With a draft to come. The Seahawks are playing free agency like a boss. They’re letting the market come to them then beating the crap out of it.

                • Submanjoe

                  Have you looked at Chris Clemons career before he arrived in Seattle?

                  Michael Bennett? He had 9 sacks the year before he arrived in Seattle, he had 15 sacks in his 4 year career the year before he arrived in Seattle.

                  Cliff Avril? He had a solid career in Detroit before he arrived in Seattle. One out of three. Plus a draft pick named Bruce Irvin.

                  None of those three were superstars until After they won a Super Bowl in Seattle.

                  • Rob Staton

                    Just stop.

                    You can’t revise history to fit your argument. Accept you were wrong about Bennett and Avril and move on.

                • Submanjoe

                  I enjoy the debate here and i don’t think we disagree, other than in the retelling of the past. Bennett had one good season before he arrived in Seattle and he had been a rotational player in Tampa. He was a great signing by the Seahawks. He wasn’t sought after by the league. Who now fits that type and is available?

                  But I’m struggling to understand the point here. I think they should find some disrupters on the d line. I think Wilson needs weapons.
                  It’s the path to these ends which has been frustrating. And prediction, they’ll draft a return man ie Harvin and Lockett and Washington.

                  • Rob Staton

                    If you’re not willing to accept that you were wrong on Bennett and Avril I’ll have to move on for you.

        • Spencer

          With Clowney back I think the team as a whole has certainly improved. Irvin on his own might not inspire much confidence, but him replacing Ziggys negative value snaps absolutely represents an upgrade. Additionally, a full season of Reed will hopefully help us trend more towards the middle. Green can get more snaps to eat into the departed Jefferson, Collier will have a full TC and another year of experience, and we will almost certainly add a DE and DT in the first 2 days of the draft.

          Looking elsewhere, Dunbar is a massive upgrade in the secondary, as well as a full season of Diggs. Are we forgetting how different the defense looked with Diggs back there? An upgraded secondary can translate to more sacks as well.

  14. Sawdust

    Hey Rob,

    You wrote a little while back about a trade scenario where the Hawks move up (way up) to get Isaiah Simmons. That might be interesting to see on one of these mock videos.

    • cha

      I did this one yesterday

      Traded #27, 5th round pick and 2021 1st and 2nd for #9 and took Simmons.

      9.Isaiah Simmons OLB Clemson
      59.Isaiah Wilson OT Georgia
      64.Hunter Bryant TE Washington
      101.Robert Hunt G Louisiana
      133.Bryce Hall CB UVA
      214.Calvin Throckmorton C Oregon

      Wilson at 59 isn’t realistic, so take a RB or another OT like Prince Tega there

      • Producehawk

        I would take that Cha

  15. Greg Haugsven

    You do see how trading for Ngakoue does hamstring you when you can just sign Clowney and keep your picks. Trading down from 27 to mid to late 30’s just gives you that extra pick in the 70’s. Losing #27 doesnt allow you do that.

    • GerryG

      Not to mention the run defense will go from bad to abysmal

  16. Henry Taylor

    If you want a suggestion for one of these mocks the way I’ve been having the most fun is to go full JS and absolutely spam out the trades, up and down, targeting specific players (or groups of players) with each pick. You can end up with a greater variance of outcomes doing it this way, because you pick in a wider array of places.

  17. charlietheunicorn

    Rob, you could toy around with trading future picks for current picks to pump up the number. 2nd/3rd 2021. The lack of picks was apparent in the current scenario you uploaded. But the reasoning behind not trading with Jacksonville makes way more sense than putting yourself in a draft capital bind / cap bind with this one move.

    These guys appear to be fits with Seattle…. I left out some others to highlight a few below

    42. Julian Okwara – DE Notre Dame (He should go earlier, but…)

    64. Isaiah Wilson – OT Georgia (He should go earlier, for sure)
    73. Gabriel Davis – WR UCF (3rd round appears to have very nice WRs)
    87. Cam Akers – RB Florida State (A good fit, why fight it)
    101. Bryce Hall – CB UVA (One of the very few “locks” for Seattle to target in the draft)

    195. Steven Montez – QB Colorado (Such a good back-up QB pick…. too perfect?)

  18. Strategicdust

    Another draft scenario would be iv the Seahawks decided they’re happy with their signings and don’t draft any offensive linemen. What then?

    • Lewis

      Not a chance, especially given the strength in this class.

      • Strategicdust

        Then again.we thought addressing the defensive line was going to be a priority too.

  19. Zane

    Rob, why don’t you think of Michael Ojemudia as a CB target? What’s not to like?

    • Rob Staton

      When have I said anything about Michael Ojemudia?

      • Zane

        You mentioned him once or twice, described him as “slight”.

        In a year where you’ve repeatedly emphasized the lack of Seahawky CB prospects, I’m just curious why he hasn’t caught your attention as a target. His profile screams Seahawks CB.

        • Rob Staton

          So I’ve mentioned him as slight… and you’ve taken that to mean I don’t like him or that he isn’t a target?

          I literally posted a video simulation of a mock draft this week where I drafted him for the Seahawks.

          • Zane

            Oh, I must of missed that – nevermind then

          • God of Thunder

            Whoa, we had better improve the pass rush as soon as possible. Our esteemed host here at SDB is getting a bit cranky. Personally I thought the question was reasonable.

            • Rob Staton

              I’m not cranky at all.

              I was asked why I don’t like a player I’ve never expressed a firm opinion on and actually mocked him to the Seahawks in a simulation this week.


    I did sims all last night and this morning. Very frustrating and fun at the same time. This upcoming draft will obviously not go like this but I would be very happy if we somehow get the first three guys when it’s done. Most of these guys have Rob’s influences so I tried to stay consistently within his previous work. Multiple trades down and only gave away our 2021 3rd round pick for next year, but also got two 2021 5th rounders back.

    39. DE J. Okwara
    54. DT R. Davis
    70. RT I. Wilson
    83. RB J.K. Dobbins
    122. DT D. Hamilton
    133. CB Bryce Hall
    144. DT R. Windsor
    160. OT H. Adeniji
    178. OL C. Throckmorton
    183. Edge Travis Gipson
    186. DE Kendall Coleman
    214. NCB Trajan Bandy
    251. OG K. Dotson

    This would be awesome but not realistic. The only regret I have was not coming away with an impact OLB to help bridge the gap for KJ’s inevitable departure. Love the OL/DL guys that were there at each spot or were still there after trading down 5-10 spots each time. PFN is awesome for creating this simulator!

    • RC3

      They aren’t going to draft 13 players.

      • Jordan

        How would drafting 13 players help us this year? Could only see them doing this is like 80% of the RFA they signed will be cut.

  21. Jeff

    Have you looked at Michael Ojemudia from Iowa? PFN did an evaluation of him that made him sound like prototypical Seattle CB. Said he’ll probably be a fast riser leading into the draft.

    • Rob Staton

      Yes. Has the arm length and height but not quite as well sized as they like. Not long limbed despite the measurements. Not great vs the run which Seattle values. But he ran and jumped well so someone they might consider later on. The Dunbar trade pretty much eliminates any pressing need at corner though. So they’d have to really like whoever they take.

      • Positrac

        Hey Rob,
        I heard you don’t like Michael Ojemudia.

        • Robert


      • Jeff

        Thanks Rob. I guess this just goes to show how much subjectivity there is in evaluations. One of the things that caught my eye in PFN’s evaluation was specifically that he was good in run support. But I think what had me most interested was this bit:

        “He had to be quick-witted in the match-man quarters scheme that the Hawkeyes often employ. As a result, his zone coverage skills are fantastic. He reads route combinations and closes windows fast with more closing burst than you would expect.”

        Anyway, I’d never even HEARD of him, so I have no way of confirming any of it!

    • Lewis

      Look two posts up.

      • Jeff

        Oops! Thank you!

  22. Producehawk

    Austin Jackson
    OT USC
    trade icon
    SEA 59.
    Neville Gallimore
    DT Oklahoma
    SEA 64.
    Raekwon Davis
    DT Alabama
    SEA 95.
    Robert Hunt
    G Louisiana
    trade icon
    SEA 107.
    Devin Duvernay
    WR Texas
    trade icon
    SEA 133.
    Alton Robinson
    DE Syracuse
    SEA 144.
    Zack Moss
    RB Utah
    SEA 180.
    Jake Hanson
    C Oregon
    trade icon
    SEA 214.
    Steven Montez
    QB Colorado
    SEA 215.
    Jared Pinkney
    TE Vanderbilt

    Took a flyer on Pinkney Did a bunch of trade downs for more players. I like that better than trading for NY

  23. Edgar

    Rob-you have the best Seahawk site on the interweb- thanks for hammering out great content during the year of the Corona.

    • Rob Staton

      Thanks for saying that and for reading/watching. It’s much appreciated.

  24. Trevor

    Trying to fix the pass rush by trading an early pick for YN make no sense what so ever unless you sign Clowney first. If they were to sign Clowney and then make the necessary roster moves and cuts to trade for YN and lock him up long term then fine. But as a stand alone move only hurts the roster IMO.

    My preferred option is still Clowney and Griffen but come on JS get something done with this DL. Heading into the draft as the roster stands right now is an absolute worst case scenario for this off season IMO.

  25. Producehawk

    Rob thank you so much for all the hard work you do. Especially right now this great distraction from the cares of life.

    I do blame you however for getting me hooked on that draft simulator! You have created a monster lol

    • Rob Staton

      Thank you, it gives me immense joy to know the blog is helping during this difficult time.

      And the simulator is highly addictive. PFN deserve great praise for their creation.

  26. CaptainJack

    I rewatched a lot of games from last season. Mainly keeping on eye on the d-line.

    My main take aways? Dissly was really good and it’s too bad about his knees.

    Clowney disappeared for long stretches during many games. He seemed completely ineffectual against Tampa Bay and was consistently tossed around like a rag doll. Was also a complete nonfactor reactor against LA early on in the season. Not buying that he’s crucial to the defense at all.

    • Kingdome1976

      finally somebody agrees with me

    • GerryG

      He’s not perfect, has better games than others. If he’s not he answer, no problem, move on and sign another top free agent (whoops too late) or acquire some vet DL help for a reasonable price (whoops, looks like the Calais Campbell for a fifth deals have dried up). It’s not like Clowney was/is the only solution on the DL. It’s that they have let most (all?) of the other options pass by. The big names that are out there requires trading a boatload of draft capital, on a team that needs young affordable talent. So now we can sign Clowney and/or Griffen and some scrap heap vets.

      • CaptainJack

        I agree completely that they need to do something. But if that something is a different direction than Clowney, I will be on board. But at least do something. Make a trade. Sign Griffen. SOMETHING

  27. Donny Henson

    So this would be my list of pass rushers combinations that Seattle could get at this point.

    1. Clowney/Griffen (Most likely on at this point)
    2. Clowney/Kerrigan (If WAS is embracing a rebuild under Ron Rivera)
    3. Yannick/ Griffen (Lose pick 27, but still have 2 2nd rounders)
    4. Kerrigan/Griffen ( If $$$ is the real issue, this is what Seattle should be doing)
    5. J. Bosa/Kerrigan or Ingram/Griffen (Will lose pick 27 and probably pick 59 unless we trade away a player (T. Thompson or Penny))

    • Rob Staton

      Forget Bosa.

      I’ll keep saying it.

      There is 0% chance of Seattle trading for Joey Bosa.

      • Donny Henson

        Yeah i figured as much. Would you do a simulation where we trade either pick 101 or the earliest 4th round pick for Kerrigan?

        • Rob Staton

          I can do — but the Redskins have said they’re not moving him. I think they’re trying to recreate — or even better — the Niners D-line.

      • Duceyq

        Totally agree with Rob that Bosa is not happening. But would you consider aMiles Garrett trade as a plan B for not signing Clowney?

        A change of scenery seems ideal for this guy and really the type of player Seattle targets when the asking price might not be as high.

        • Rob Staton


          Cleveland are not trading Garrett, LA are not trading Bosa.

  28. Greg Haugsven

    Georgia Pro Day today.

    TE Eli Wolf 6″4.5″, 245

    3 Cone…6.72

    • Greg Haugsven

      Noah Fant had 4.22 and 6.81

      • Greg Haugsven

        OJ Howard had 4.16 and 6.85

        • Greg Haugsven

          Evan Engram had 4.23 and 6.92

        • DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX)

          Ricky Williams had 4.20 and 4.20…..arr..arr…arr

    • Lewis

      Interesting. He also played LB in high school.

    • Ashish

      I believe we will draft TE around 4th most likely good at blocking

      • Volume12

        I’m intrigued by S. Illinois TE Nigel Kilby as a late day 3-UDFA.

        255 lbs.
        83″ wingspan
        4.66 40
        10’6 broad jump
        34.5″ vert

        Not many TE’s that size who have his fluidity.

        • Jordan

          Move TE / slot TE maybe? They were looking at Jordan Reed a few weeks ago

          • Volume12

            I would think so.

    • RC3

      Weighs 236 and didn’t have much production in college, wouldn’t be my choice.

  29. Scotia Seahawk

    I wonder why PFN has such a low rank on Isaiah Wilson ranked.

    • Producehawk

      I had Mechi Becton drop to me at 27. Weird how it works sometimes. I agree Wilson is hard not to take. Oh I didn’t take Becton I traded back

    • AndrewP

      Rob- I don’t know if this is it, but, Re: Moss…

      I’ve watched him several times over the years, and I just don’t see anything dynamic. He’s a really solid, tough college runner. He did exactly what Wittingham wanted: grind out tough yards, and keep opposing offenses off the field. That sounds ‘Seahawky’, I suppose, except… he just doesn’t jump off the film in any regard…

      He doesn’t absolutely ‘explode’ through the line, he doesn’t make people miss and get out of impossible situations, he doesn’t plow people over, he doesn’t run away like Secretariat…

      Personally, if they take him before the end of day three, I’ll be disappointed. If they spring for a guy in round two Dash four, I want it to be for a guy with traits that are hard to fill or they currently do not have.

      • AndrewP

        Blargh, stupid iPhone replying in the wrong place

        • Sea Mode

          Calling them “smart” phones may have been the dumbest idea ever lol…

    • cha

      The scouting report on Wilson on PFN isn’t exactly glowing.

      Isaiah Wilson
      OT Georgia
      Career Snapshot: Two-year starter at right tackle. Missed two games in 2019 due to an ankle injury.

      Positives: Large, powerful right-tackle prospect with starting potential at the next level. Blocks with leverage, quickly sets up off the snap and keeps his head on a swivel. Displays outstanding vision, consistently gets leverage on opponents and easily turns defenders from the line. Keeps his feet moving, stays square and plays powerful football. Effective with his hands, flexible and adjusts to pick up speedy edge rushers and blitzes.

      Negatives: Not light on his feet and struggles in motion. Really cannot slide off the edge and displays limited range in pass protection.

      Analysis: Wilson is a traditional right tackle who can be an overwhelming force at the point of attack. He’s a dominant run blocker who holds his own in pass protection, but he’s not suited for a zone-blocking system.

    • Quiller

      On Tony Pauline’s top 300 he has Wilson 54 which is 20 spots higher than the simulator has him.

  30. Kingdome1976

    At this point I simply don’t see how we aren’t going to draft Okwara. He has to be priority number 1 to me.

    • Michael Hasslinger

      Real concerns about being high cut, lacking strength at the point, and limited to speed rushes. He may be a beautiful failure at DE. Or, he could be JPP. Sigh…

  31. Volume12

    Saw this question on twitter today.

    Who are the top 5 CFB players of your lifetime?

    • Greg Haugsven

      Tough if its over a career or a season. I would say Barry Sanders and Tommy Frazier come to mind. Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson. Not sure on the 5th.

      • drewdawg11

        My response was:

        Barry Sanders
        Tim Tebow
        Steve Emtman
        N’Damukon Suh
        Tommy Frazier

        Those guys were just head and shoulders the best players on the field in every game they played.

      • Volume12

        -Tommie Frazier (my all-time favorite cfb player)
        – Randy Moss
        – Charles Woodson
        – Sean Taylor
        – Reggie Bush

        HM: Aaron Donald

        • Trevor

          Tommy Frazier
          Barry Sanders
          Sean Taylor
          Herschel Walker
          Charles Woodson

          So may great players just 5 is tough.

      • Awsi Dooger

        I can’t narrow it from 6:

        O.J. Simpson
        Earl Campbell
        Billy Sims
        Herschel Walker
        Barry Sanders
        Marcus Dupree

        No reason to look beyond running back in college football. The freak running backs are awesome to behold and have dominated the sport. That recent rundown of Top 100 players in college football history was absolutely correct to use running backs almost exclusively at the top.

        Marcus Dupree only did it for one season before leaving Oklahoma, then having a devastating knee injury in the USFL. Doesn’t matter. Absolutely breathtaking player. I think it was 7 consecutive games with a touchdown run of 70+ yards. Switzer dumped his beloved wishbone in midseason so he could feature Dupre from the I formation. Dupree was running away from some of the fastest defensive backs in the country even though he was something like 240 pounds. Then he got ridiculously fat on his mother’s cooking before the bowl game against Arizona State but still gained more than 200 yards in one half. Arizona State had one of the best run defenses in the country that season.

        Dupree and Bo Jackson were freshmen in the same season…1982. Jackson had a terrific season as well. But nobody was silly enough to compare Bo Jackson to Marcus Dupree. It would have been laughable. That’s why Dupree was on the Sports Illustrated cover prior to the 1983 season with the question of whether he would become the youngest Heisman winner. Then he got homesick and bolted to Southern Miss within months.

    • Gohawks5151

      Wow. This made me think. It was hard to choose. As a youngish guy I got:

      Reggie Bush
      Ed Reed
      Julius Peppers
      Vince Young
      Orlando Pace

      • Volume12

        Yeah, Ed Reed & Sean Taylor was like splitting hairs for me. I almost included both. There was no way I could leave out Woodson. Greatest collegiate defender I’ve ever seen. Plus he contributed at wideout and as a returner for Michigan. We’ll probably never see another defensive player win the Heisman again.

        • Gohawks5151

          Yeah man I right there with you deciding between Ed and Sean. Im a big Canes fan from when I was little. Sean was the first guy that I was 100 percent sure he was a Hall of Fame guy. I was heartbroken when he died.

          • Volume12

            So sad. What could of been. All because he was trying to defend his family from a home invasion.

            On a brighter note, those early aughts Canes teams were incredible. How many 1st rounders did they have in 04? Six? And something like 15 or 16 in a 4 year stretch (02-06)?!?

    • DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX)

      Steven Emtman

      • Greg Haugsven

        Good to see so many Tommy Fraziers on here. Dude was a missed field goal from being undefeated in three years with three national championships.

      • GerryG

        Emtman without a doubt, that was a joyous time to be Husky fan

  32. Will Davis

    Have you watched any tape of Malcom Perry? Kid out of Navy can do it all. At times his moves look like Lamar Jackson lite. Inconsistent, raw, and doesn’t have the Seahawk measurables but has the IT factor.

    Maybe as a late round flyer or priority free agent? They’ve had guys like Keenan Reynolds around before.

    Love to hear your thoughts and appreciate your hard work on the blog!

  33. Ashish

    Anyone aware of Phillip Dorsett contract? And are we not cutting Dickson because of injury designation or we are not saving anything until June?

  34. Coleslaw

    Rob, I would love to see a mock assuming we sign Clowney and Griffen. *Fingers crossed* it can still happen lol

  35. Hawktalker#1

    One of my least favorite things on the blog is when someone feels empowered to such a degree where they tell everyone to R.E.L.A.X.

    Sure, express your opinion, but don’t try to suppress mine or those of others.

    Please stop.

    • Rob Staton

      I find it particularly frustrating because this place always looks for perspective and has been a needed place of solace opposing some of the crazier noise makers on Twitter and other sites.

      But there’s no sugar coating the current situation with the pass rush. And we’re allowed to voice those complaints and concerns.

  36. Bankhawk

    Wow! What a question; so many-I’d have a hard time even if we limited it to just 5 rb’s. But, drewdawg, I really gotta say it made my day to see you nominate Steve Entman! I may be pegged as a ‘Husky-Homer’ here, but I sure did love me some Steve Entman!

  37. cha

    What does everyone think of this draft, as far as where I snagged the players I got?

    Traded down a couple times and stacked picks.

    SEA 35.Julian Okwara DE Notre Dame
    SEA 59.Clyde Edwards-Helaire RB LSU
    SEA 64.Prince Tega Wanogho OT Auburn
    SEA 94.Rashard Lawrence DT LSU
    SEA 101.Robert Hunt G Louisiana
    SEA 109.Azur Kamara OLB Kansas
    SEA 133.Nick Harris C Washington
    SEA 144.Joshua Kelley RB UCLA
    SEA 214.Kevin Dotson G Louisiana

    -Gets some defensive depth and gets a pass rusher than they can work with
    -4 OL to add to their 14 already on the roster? Yes. Tapping into the draft’s strength hopefully sets them up for the future
    -2 RBs? Yes. In this mock they’re thinking about all those RB injuries, Carson’s contract and Penny’s health.

    • DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX)

      Yes. That is the one. Likely because CEH from LSU is in there.

      • Producehawk

        Except for Kelly I have done that one several times. I don’t always get Hunt at 101. The simulator seems to be pushing him up a bit. Anyone else found the Bengals to be a good trade down?

  38. drewdawg11

    When Steve was a sophomore, before the season I had a chance to meet him. I knew he was a player and I knew he was huge, but I didn’t realize how good he was going to be. My great uncle was a close friend with those old coaches from Everett, Wa. Dennis Erickson was one of his best friends. I remember telling my family that I met a bunch of players including Emtman and my uncle heard about it and I guess mentioned it at his tavern with the old coaches fraternity, (several highly successful pac-10 and pro guys), and they all agreed that he was going to be a problem for people. He went on to be one of the best defensive players I’ve ever seen.

    • DJ 1/2 Way (Sea/PDX)

      He just wrecked games. I was just out of college and single, so I could watch every game. So awesome. He has to be on the list. Also, remember, this is college. Most players are evaluated on the combination of college and pro, but he essentially had no pro career.

      Another great college player with no pro career to mention? Marques Tuiasosopo. Not a top five, but one of my favorites.

      • Michael Hasslinger

        Emit an blew out his knee super bad his rookie season. Bummer.

        Joe Steele was my favorite college player. And Reggie Rogers right behind him.

  39. Comfect

    Rob, does this affect your feeling about Ravens-Clowney? Not that I expect you to be a Ravens expert too, but you did just post about it.

    • Rob Staton

      Initially it did but then JLC said they still have plenty of room and flexibility to do something else.

  40. Steve Nelsen

    Do you think that not being able to draft from war rooms will mean fewer trades? I know that Seattle has probably already talked to people about trading pick 27. But will it be harder for JS to move up and down in rounds 2-3 if other teams require multiple persons to approve a deal and they all are not together in one room?

    • cha

      I don’t have any idea what really happens in War Rooms but I have to believe teams (at least smart ones) are gaming exactly those scenarios – trades are being proposed and you have :30 to communicate via some kind of face time conferencing with your key people and either accept, decline or counter.

      Or perhaps teams will designate one czar to make all of those decisions. Hopefully Houston will do that with Bill O’Brien.

    • Rob Staton

      I think it might mean more trades with teams targeting specific players more often.

      • Steve Nelsen

        I’ve been wondering about this too. With less chance to interview every prospect, will decision makers be more likely to overvalue prospects they feel confident about (familiarity bias, confidence bias)? That could lead to both overdrafting and to more trades for specific prospects in later rounds.

        This is a scenario that would work well for JS in a normal year to trade back for more picks. That is what got me thinking about the time limits for picks and the communication challenges and wondering if mid-round will become too complicated.

        • cha

          For sure the players drafted and when will be different than if we weren’t all stuck at home.

          Whether that is better or worse remains to be seen.

          I don’t discount the visits and Pro Days, etc but I do wonder if paying more attention to scouts who have scoured the countryside and game tape will provide unexpected benefits.

          (((this from a guy who got a major kick out of DK walking in to VMAC without his shirt on and PC following suit)))

    • Henry Taylor

      Maybe they should give teams longer to make their picks and be able to properly communicate from within the organisation and with other teams?

      • Rob Staton

        Teams will just hire out a hotel room for three days for the key personnel (who will probably be tested beforehand for the virus).

  41. charlietheunicorn

    Mekhi Becton, an offensive left tackle out of Louisville who is a certain first-round pick in next month’s draft, is a massive dude. The 20-year-old is 6-foot-7 and weighs between 365-370 depending on the web site or the day.

    Predicted to go upper half of 1st round.


    • Producehawk

      For some reason the simulator has had him drop to 27 for me a couple times. I don’t take him cause it ain’t gonna happen in real life

  42. Volume12

    Is former XFL S Kenny Robinson in the draft or can he sign as a FA?

    • teejmo

      According to a recent article in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette, he’s prepping for the draft

  43. Kingdome1976

    Been doing the simulator the last few days but today I have been more realistic with my picks. For instance we are not getting I.Wilson with our 64th pick. 4 round mock only. Let’s face it, we don’t really expect anything out of anybody after the 4th anyway.

    Here is what I consider a realistic draft from the Sim and one I would love to see in reality:

    SEA 34.
    Isaiah Wilson

    SEA 46.
    Julian Okwara

    SEA 64.
    Michael Pittman Jr.

    SEA 75.
    Willie Gay Jr.

    SEA 133.
    Bryce Hall

    SEA 144.
    Zack Moss

    • God of Thunder

      That’s a great draft got the franchise.

      • God of Thunder


  44. Hawk Mock

    I’d be really happy with this outcome. Might flip Gay and Pittman just to make sure and get him.

  45. Donovan

    My biggest issue w Ngaukuoe draft is you don’t come out with any stars, sans Ngakukoe, and apparently you don’t have funds for both Clowney & Ngaukuoe. Would rather sign Clooney and keep Rd 2 pick.

  46. swedenhawk

    Thanks Rob for the video, the insight, and this community!

    • Rob Staton

      Happy to provide it and thanks for watching.

  47. Davido

    One of the best mock drafts I’ve seen so far. Has us taking YGM, Austin Jackson, Isaiah Wilson and Cam Akers.
    I know Rob is not high on YGM but I think he might be a fit. He does not show the agility we would like to see but no prospect in this draft that is available does. There are guys like Okwara that have the speed but have other concerns. Even if we want to swap Okwara for YGM I think that would be a pretty solid draft especially given it’s made by a non Seahawk fan.

    • Lewis

      Notice Robert Hunt went at 62?

    • Lewis

      And Gross-Matos has a heck of a tragic backstory. They love guys that have overcome adversity.

      • Rob Staton

        He has a tragic backstory. But it doesn’t mean the Seahawks are duty bound to take him.

        He’s not a LEO. He might be a five technique in time. He didn’t do any running at the combine. Why? He did the drills. What’s he hiding?

        Just don’t see it with him.

        • Lewis

          He looks slow on tape. I’m not suggesting he is an ideal Leo or that they are duty-bound to do anything.

  48. Madmark

    The first time I ran this was with the last mock draft that Seattle did the trade with the Colt’s. We traded down from 27 to 44 and got 75 and 193. that mock looked like this.
    44 Isaiah Wilson RT Georgia
    59 Raekwon Davis DT Alabama
    64 I actually got Cesar Ruiz C Michigan , I was really surprised.
    75 Hunter Bryant TE Washington
    101 A.J.Dillion RB Boston College
    133 Bryce Hall CB Virginia
    143 Damien Lewis G LSU
    193 Trey Adams OT Washington
    214 Tyler Clark DT Georgia
    Now on this draft I think no matter what happens U can get Isaiah Wilson and that s my guy. Will he start I doubt that to begin with he’s a Sophomore but if the guy in front of him goes down, ready or not your it. this guys a monster and well I think 3rd times the charm, This is the guy that they have been looking for and they need to grab him even if his first year is not what ya want.
    The next pick is another Alabama pick to hold the Line. If this guy in his 1st year can do what Jefferson did we are great.
    This pick isn’t going to happen! Cesar Ruiz is not going to be here in fact I Pick a different Center here Lloyd Cushenberry C LSU if he should fall this far.
    75 Hunter Bryant TE Washington So many Questions about the TE’s which to me has always been a priority for me. I drafted Kelce before Michaels since we lost Miller. I still to this day will rave about that pick.
    101 Dillion This is the getting more Physical when Carson comes off the field. If you can’t use this guys athletic abilities then you need to quit coaching. That all I got to say.
    133 To be quite honest this guy will only fall to here because of his injuries in college and the simulation always seems to project him here but I have seen him go earlier. If not here at 133 well JD/PC will fine there guy.
    To get Lewis here I think is a steal. His Combine was pretty good and we need to grab the Talent of an OL in this draft and hope it works for us going forward.
    Tyler Clark is my reach in this game. It’s a lot tougher this year with out scouts doing Pro Days. I saw something and I’m going to play it out.
    Now if I just did the picks we had it would have been.
    27 Isaiah Wilson RT Georgia
    59 Raekwon Davis DT Alabama
    64 Lloyd Cushenberry C LSU
    101 A.J. Dillion RB Boston College
    133 Bryce Hall CB Virginia
    143 Damien Lewis G LSU
    214 Tyler Clark DT Georgia
    What I hope for is Seattle finds a way to sign Clowney and Griffin and draft to make thy OL better going forward with new contracts. RW has 3 years left to get us another superbowl. I thank ya rob for the website to thrown my views out into the open. I like the Phrase lets get physical because that’s what footballs all about.

    thank ya rob for the website that I can put out my opinions

  49. Kingdome1976


    • Edgar

      I tell myself that before every single game about their 1st half offense but that doesn’t stop me from getting Christmas Eve like antsy with anticipation.

  50. Rob Staton

    Just re-watched Auburn vs LSU.

    Reminder that Clyde Edwards-Helaire is awesome.

    • Rob Staton

      His ability in the passing game would add so much to Seattle. Never seen a player who combines his level of physicality, toughness, make-you-miss agility and power and yet be so wonderful running routes. In a quick tempo, no-huddle or two-minute offense he’d be unstoppable.

      But yeah. They’re handcuffing themselves to the DL.

      • Rob Staton

        I’m also seeing why Marlon Davidson was spelled so much vs the run.

        He can’t set an edge. Will often drive his man off the spot with his head down but that’s not what he’s supposed to do. Leaves the edge wide open. Or he’ll rush the edge and leave inside contain free. Or he’s so aggressive when he engages he’s easily turned. Not good. You never see him extend, keep his frame clean, read the situation then disengage.

      • Henry Taylor

        Well they’ve got three picks in the first 2 rounds, so they could absolutely manipulate the board and come away with CEH and a pass rusher. I mean, you yourself have done a mock that gave us Taylor and Zuniga.

        And I do think that they would like him, he reminds me a bit of Mike Davis (only way better). Small but tough and does everything really well. That ‘Bama game in particular he was incredible, the angle route he runs out the backfield where he absolutely toasts the LB then quickly spins after the catch to make another guy miss is so sweet.

        • Rob Staton

          I’ve done a mock with Taylor but it doesn’t mean it’ll happen.

          • clbradley17

            And as you mentioned in the podcasts with Brandon, CEH never ever fumbles. Would be nice to have that peace of mind after having a few mild heart attacks watching Carson and DK fumble several times last year.

          • Henry Taylor

            Well of course not, I’m just saying it’s possible.

    • Bankhawk

      Rob-it is a bit of a downer thinking on all of the options that are probably closed down to them in the draft (a la CEH) via being tied to DL there as a result of ‘roads not taken’ earlier on in F/A.
      If it feels right, it’d be cool to see a run through on the draft simulator of one that lets you ‘run the clock back to the start of F/A and re-do the whole thing your way; kind of a parallel universe, “Man In The High Castle” run through, as it were. If you’rẻ feeling like it’s territory that’s already been covered enough in composite in the various run-throughs you’về done, that’s cool, but it’d be neat to see.

  51. millhouse-serbia

    Rob do you think Delpit has range to play single high? There are so much opposite opinion about that among different draft analysts.

    • Henry Taylor

      I think he definitely has the range to do that, but I also think he’d be best if he was allowed to attack downfield a little more.

    • Rob Staton

      I think he can do anything.

      • millhouse-serbia

        Yesterday i read Lance’s report on Delpit and was really surprised when i saw one of listed weaknesses is:

        Range as high safety is very average

  52. TCHawk

    Boy, that draft simulator is addictive. Thanks for sharing. I love the videos of the mocks with your thoughts and considerations for each pick. How about a mock that includes a great returner? I’m not sure who fits that bill and where they would fall, but we need to preserve Lockett for his normal WR role. One guy I’m looking at is Lynn Bowden, WR/PR/KR, from Kentucky, somewhere in the 3-4 round. Thoughts?

    • Rob Staton

      I’ve not studied Bowden yet but will do.

    • Seahawkwalt

      Love Bowden…so underrated and versatie

      • Guy

        I’m really hoping the Seahawks will take the special teams responsibilities away from Lockett. I’m also looking for WR’s or RB’s that can be that dynamic returner Lockett used to be. I realize that the rule changes have modified my expectations on game changers with kick and punt returners, but the Seahawks have got to be better there. Joe Reed, WR from Virginia has been touted as one of the best returners this year. He’s a guy I’m looking at with one of our late picks.

        • JimQ

          Punt returners are still important, they often change field position with their returns. The #2 & #3 punt returners in FBS this year were WR’s Reagor and Aiyuk, ( returns).

          There are a number of players in this draft that also have SOME punt returns in their stats, but they are more – like – they can do it, just not do it well enough to average double digit yards like the above two.
          Kickoff returns are less important in todays game & may even go away, but still require some talent to perform well. Joe Reed is a “fantastic” kickoff returner and isn’t a bad WR either, so a late round pick would still be a good investment with his added special teams value as a kickoff returner. Reagor and Aiyuk would be great adds for their “excellent” capabilities as punt returners in addition to their ++ WR abilities. It is my hope that the Seahawks draft one of these two WR’s and maybe add Reed late(?).

  53. clbradley17

    Thanks for turning us on to this draft simulator Rob! Traded out 1st and 2021 3rd to Houston for their 2 2nds. Here are the results.

    Yetur Gross-Matos
    DE Penn State

    SEA 57.
    Curtis Weaver
    DE Boise State

    SEA 59.
    Prince Tega Wanogho
    OT Auburn

    SEA 64.
    Matt Hennessy
    C Temple

    SEA 101.
    Devin Duvernay
    WR Texas

    SEA 133.
    Davon Hamilton
    DT Ohio State

    SEA 144.
    Bryce Hall
    CB UVA

    SEA 214.
    Kevin Dotson
    G Louisiana

  54. Sea Mode


    NFL Memes

    PSA: If you plan on going outside today for some fresh air or go jogging, remember to remain six feet apart from people. If you’re wondering how far that is, picture Richard Sherman covering a Chiefs WR in the Super Bowl and you’ll get the picture

    • Bankhawk

      Did crack me up with that one. %-)

    • God of Thunder

      Lol, liked it

  55. Rico

    So I tried another mock – really totally addictive…. several trades, most notable trading away 3rd from 2021 – seems like a good way to boost this year when we have so many draft assets and window closing and it still leaves our 1 and 2 next year intact..

    56. Madubuike
    57. Raekwon David
    66. Zuniga
    71. Aiyuk
    77. Cam Akers
    111. Logan Stenberg
    142. Bryce Hall
    144. Davion Taylor
    151. Saahdiq Charles

    Loaded up on DL, got a couple of nice weapons/depth for offense, and some serviceable pieces on OL that can develop and compete… we’ll need to go heavy on OL soon or continue to get veterans there.. that unit will need overhaul in the next 3 years.

    • God of Thunder

      I’d be pleased as punch with this or something close to it.

  56. Nick

    Okay a couple of things:

    I’ve tended to have better drafts when I select an OT with my first pick. There is a great lump of DT available in that second round pick. As is the case with WR.

    Of course, in that scenario you don’t address edge until a little later. Which made me watch some tape on some mid round DEs and holy cow, I really came away impressed with the two games I watched of Alex Highsmith. A great project. Anybody else really love his ferociousness and get off off?

  57. Gaux Hawks

    I’m less enthusiastic about the draft after the last few weeks of free agency. Just need to get that off my chest.

    • Rob Staton

      I suspect a lot of people feel that way. Myself included.

  58. Brian Sanders

    Traded back into the 2nd round and also traded a 2021 5th rounder to get back into the 7th.

    Raekwon Davis
    DT Alabama
    Cam Akers
    RB Florida State
    Prince Tega Wanogho
    OT Auburn
    Akeem Davis-Gaither
    OLB Appalachian State
    Tyler Johnson
    WR Minnesota
    Azur Kamara
    OLB Kansas
    Thaddeus Moss
    TE LSU
    Tanner Muse
    S Clemson
    Carter Coughlin
    OLB Minnesota
    Nick Coe
    DE Auburn

    • Producehawk

      I always seem to end up with Moos there

  59. schuemansky

    FA is not over yet.
    Did we ever see our front office enter a draft with glaring holes on the roster?
    I am not sure either whether we even get to the same level as last year’s DL, but I am absolutely convinced that we will add 2 or 3 players that would at least have a higher impact in 2020 than any DL you can find with our picks in this draft.

    • Rob Staton

      So we can’t talk about it then? Because despite their complete lack of activity you think they might get around to doing something eventually?

      They’ve also gone into most drafts with a glaring need. Last year it was pass rush. Didn’t go too well during the season.

  60. Kingdome1976

    Daniel Jeremiah has Blacklock as his #18 prospect. Surely he wouldn’t be this high on his list if he wasn’t sure.

    • Rob Staton

      So just because Jeremiah is overrating Blacklock he must actually be really good???

      • Kingdome1976

        Well he was an actual scout at one point which gives him some credibility right? None of us are have been scouts. Also I was wondering if Pauline was ever a scout. Anybody know? He has I. Wilson as a 2-3 round guy which is what the Sim has been putting him. I noticed his 300 list is on the same site as the sim. Is the sim using his list?

        Blacklock happens to be my favorite DT in this draft, and has been for months now, that is why I was glad to see Jeremiah agreeing with me. Even though I wouldn’t put him at #18.

        • Rob Staton

          I think we’ve just hit a new low this off season

          • Sean

            I don’t think it is a new low to simply point out a fact that Daniel Jeremiah was indeed a scout for NFL teams for years. Obviously he will have legitimate insight on the draft, you don’t have to agree, but he does have some credibility.

            • Rob Staton

              Confirmed. Yes, it is a new low.

  61. Hawktalker#1

    I was just going to write this request, nearly word-for-word.

    From Slaw:

    Rob, I would love to see a mock assuming we sign Clowney and Griffen. *Fingers crossed*
    it can still happen lol

    Thanks and thanks for another great video. Appreciate the additional insights you add into each of them!!

    • CL

      Yes please !!

      It seems somewhat unlikely right now, but I would love that too.

      Guess it’s the best case scenario for the pass rush.. so I’m really curious about your mock draft then

  62. Justaguy

    I was checking the draft board and trying to determine the best range in the second round to trade #27. A trade within #37-#40 range looks like it could leave the most options available and add that important third round pick. I think Jonathan Taylor would make it to #37 if he is on the board at #27 and in a trade to LAC or HOU they don’t draft him at #27, and also somehow slips past TEN at #29 and KC at #32. Not sure if there will be a second round run on DL but I am looking at #40-#46 as a good possibility. Trading back #27 with TB #45 and #76 or IND with #44 and #75 are other options, but the options may not be as open for DL and surely Taylor, and my new guy KJ Hamler, will be off the board. Who do you think would be the most likely BPA within #37-#40 disregarding the team needs? Considering the pass rush will either be non-existent or sorted out I am targeting Taylor or Hamler, Lockett’s eventual successor, with the first pick at #37-#40.

    • DougM

      I like that you are thinking strategy. To me that has been the most illuminating thing about this draft simulator.
      I have discovered that the key is when trading down you want to pick up two extra picks in the late 3rd or early 4th rounds, which the Hawks did twice last year. Then you can use one of those and a higher 4th to trade back up. I was able to do this and end up with an extra 2nd round pick.

      • Justaguy

        Thanks. I like trading #59 and change to LAR at #52. That moves us ahead of ARI and LAR. LAR need picks as well, as does CHI which holds #43 and #50. Not sure what we trade up for though, is it Raekwon Davis?

        • DougM

          It depends who you are targeting. In my scenario I was taking Isaiah Wilson with the first pick and trading up to take Hamler and take Davis with the 59th

  63. Sean

    Have a theory.. What if Clowney is just waiting until he can visit teams so that he can be examined by team doctors? If he thinks this will significantly increase how much teams are able to spend, it would seem like the smart thing to do…

  64. Producehawk

    Just for fun I did a fast no trade and gotta pick one of the top five selected by the simulator. No cheating. I would take this.

    A.J. Epenesa
    DE Iowa
    SEA 59.
    Raekwon Davis
    DT Alabama
    SEA 64.
    Clyde Edwards-Helaire
    RB LSU
    SEA 101.
    Rashard Lawrence
    DT LSU
    SEA 133.
    John Simpson
    G Clemson
    SEA 144.
    Bryce Hall
    CB UVA
    SEA 214.
    Trey Adams
    OT Washington

  65. Bertelli

    I’m starting to think that a trade-up for Simmons may be the ultimate goal here. I believe they’re going to eventually sign Clowney. It looks like we have about $11 million in cap room, which could be increased to around $30 if Britt, KJ, Dickson and Thompson are let go. If we gave $16 to Clowney, do you think we can squeeze in Griffin? Or do Griffin and Simmons play the same position? I’m a little confused when you all mention 1,2,3,4,5 techniques. I know we run a 4-3, I just don’t know if a situation where we added a Clowney, Griffin and Simmons would work to their strengths. I like this scenario better for the money as well. You get a rookie contract rather than paying the JAX guy a fortune. What’s the farthest you see Simmons falling to? Thanks for keeping things going, it’s an awfully boring time here in Seattle!

  66. smitty1547

    Julian Okwara
    DE Notre Dame

    Raekwon Davis
    DT Alabama

    Isaiah Wilson
    OT Georgia

    Robert Hunt
    G Louisiana

    Bryce Hall
    CB UVA

    Quez Watkins
    WR Southern Miss

    Azur Kamara
    OLB Kansas

    Anfernee Jennings
    DE Alabama

    Jake Hanson
    C Oregon

    Trey Adams
    OT Washington

    finally took a shot at simulator myself

    • Producehawk

      You should not have done it. It is like crack for the draft addict.

  67. GoHawksDani

    Did 2 scenarios with YN trade.First one was just the usual draft:
    #42 Zuniga – I think we can along with Reed, Poona and Green, Collier shifting to the inside and maybe a vet run stuffer, but Irvin, Yannicke and Green/Collier is just too thin for me, so went with Zuniga
    #64 – Rober Hunt – You sold me on this guy, was probably the BPA too and while rookie lineman usually not plug’n’play we’ll need quality lineman soon with our vets
    #101 – Duvernay – Wanted to get a WR and I really like the guy. Unique skillset and just different than the other guys on the roster. I think he’s a first day starter in the rotation and could play WR3, returner and/or specialist WR (screens, sweeps, etc)
    #133 – Zack Moss – Not a fan, but he was pretty much the only bigger name RB left
    #144 – Nick Harris – Yeah, also not a huge fan because of his size. I just can’t forget how Hunt was terrorized inside by bigger NTs. BUT, who knows what happens with Britt and he might be better than Hunt
    #214 – Trevis Gipson – A DE, don’t know a ton about him but someone mentioned him here as a late round prospect. He might worth something and we can use the players on the DL

    The other draft was a bit more interesting in my opinion:
    I thought we trade for YN and get also Griffen. But we need cap space, so we cut/trade KJ and Britt (and others like Dickson). Wouldn’t cut McDougald. He’s not a superstar but a really solid DB. KJ is a better LB but he’s getting old and slow and Britt costs too much and only back from an injury.

    #42 – Madubuike – As we have Yannicke and Griffen and Irvin and Green, Collier on the outside, I think we’re pretty solid there. Inside only Reed, Ford and some 5/3T guys. Between Justin and Raekwon I now went with Madubuike as the higher floor lower ceiling guy
    #64 – Willie Gay Jr – Might be a reach here, might go earlier. As KJ goes we need a speedy LB. Maybe Barton or BBK takes a huge step forward, but not sure about that. Willie has some special skills so he’ll fit right in.
    #101 – Nick Harris – As written before…not a huge fan, but all the solid OCs went away. Bit of a reach imo, but had to have a decent guy to battle it out with Hunt and maybe one of the newer OL?
    #133 – Zach Moss – ….Again, I’d rather have CEH/Swift/Akers/Taylor but they all gone. Could’ve gone with Perine, I like his running style or Kelley, but now went with maybe a more conventional Moss
    #144 – Kevin Dotson – Got to have one of Rob’s guys. I have no clue about him but Rob seems like a fan, so I tought he must be a pretty good OG
    #214 – Trajan Bandy – A pretty small CB. Not Hawks-like at all, but he run OK seems like a pretty solid quick guy and he could battle for the slot. Probably a PS candidate or camp body but wanted to have a CB too

  68. Justin Mullikin

    Here is my completely unrealistic mock draft. I am not a scout nor do I pretend to be. I am completely content taking players that will not be available come draft day. So here it is.

    SEA 36.
    Julian Okwara
    DE Notre Dame

    SEA 59.
    Isaiah Wilson
    OT Georgia

    SEA 64.
    Raekwon Davis
    DT Alabama

    SEA 99.
    Collin Johnson
    WR Texas

    SEA 101.
    Anthony McFarland
    RB Maryland

    SEA 110.
    Hunter Bryant
    TE Washington

    SEA 133.
    Ben Bredeson
    G Michigan

    SEA 144.
    Anfernee Jennings
    DE Alabama

    SEA 214.
    Trey Adams
    OT Washington

    Pick 27 – Austin Jackson
    Pick 36 – Julian Okwara
    Pick 99 – Collin Johnson
    Pick 110 – Hunter Bryant

    • Justin Mullikin

      I decided what would happen if I traded out of the #1 pick for the Bengals. Oh my, you could get a lot of picks.

      CIN 6.
      Justin Herbert
      QB Oregon

      CIN 18.
      Derrick Brown
      DT Auburn

      CIN 26.
      Kenneth Murray
      OLB Oklahoma

      CIN 33.
      Jalen Reagor
      WR TCU

      CIN 39.
      Cesar Ruiz
      C Michigan

      CIN 56.
      Clyde Edwards-Helaire
      RB LSU

      CIN 65.
      Isaiah Wilson
      OT Georgia

      CIN 71.
      Jalen Hurts
      QB Oklahoma

      CIN 107.
      Jacob Phillips
      ILB LSU

      CIN 112.
      Alex Highsmith
      DE Charlotte

      CIN 141.
      Ben Bredeson
      G Michigan

      CIN 147.
      Zack Moss
      RB Utah

      CIN 180.
      J.R. Reed
      S Georgia

      CIN 215.
      Trey Adams
      OT Washington

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