I’ve published the full mock in writing below but I also discussed it on a new live stream today. Check it out…
Before getting into my latest mock, a few notes…
General thoughts
— I think we’ll see an early run on pass rushers which isn’t good news for the Seahawks — and I think they anticipated this, which is why they signed Uchenna Nwosu for $9.5m a year.
— The Giants have basically put the #7 pick up for sale and are making it known through the media they’d like to swap it for a 2023 first. I think there are two reasons for this. Firstly, the 2023 quarterback class. The more stock you have next year the better positioned you’ll be. Secondly, there’s not an obvious player to put at #7. The fact they’re making it public suggests there’s little interest. They’re trying to generate a market.
— Falcons GM Terry Fontenot talked a lot a year ago about taking the best player available. He backed that up by passing on Justin Fields and Mac Jones to select Kyle Pitts. I doubt he’s going to do the opposite this year at #8. The Falcons, like the Seahawks, know this is a process. I think they’ll take the best player on their board in round one.
— A lot of mock drafts are starting to load their top-10’s with quarterbacks. I don’t see it happening at all. I’ll keep coming back to my conversation with Scot McCloughan. He felt three QB’s would go in round one and all three would carry third round grades. He thought all three were more likely to go in the second half of the first frame. It’s something to keep in mind.
Seahawks thoughts
— For me it seems increasingly clear the Seahawks are going to use this draft to build a foundation by upgrading their defense. You just have to listen to what they’re saying and look at their actions. From the major coaching changes defensively, to the scheme adjustments, to the admittance of being ‘arrogant’ on defense. I think Carroll is determined to create another great defense as a priority. That will be the framework of this reset. His recent comment about their 2023 stock likely impacting their decision making this year was also a big clue. Like many teams, I suspect they’ve got their eye on the 2023 quarterbacks.
— The four names I think they’ll focus on at #9 are Jermaine Johnson, Kayvon Thibodeaux, Derek Stingley Jr and Sauce Gardner. I think there’s a good chance at least one of these players will be available and just as they did in 2010, the Seahawks will stay where they are and add talent.
— In the unlikely event that all four are gone, I think that’s when they’d look to move down into the teens (but only then). That would bring the likes of Zion Johnson, Boye Mafe, Trevor Penning, the four talented defensive tackles and some of the other pass rushers into play.
— I have had a slight fear that they might be so committed to taking an edge rusher that they’ll trade down from #9 if the top four leave the board quickly. It’s only a slight fear though, because the likes of Boye Mafe are excellent players. I’d just prefer to avoid forcing any position in this draft. With so many needs, a ‘best player available’ approach is required.
— That said, the pass rush options after the first round will probably dry up. I would expect and anticipate a day one rush at the position. However, they paid a lot of money (for the Seahawks) to add Uchenna Nwosu as a hedge. I think that was deliberate, anticipates what might happen and takes the pressure off a bit. Now, if the board falls a certain way, they can probably afford to take a developmental rusher in rounds 3/4 if, as expected, the drop-off at DE/OLB is sudden and abrupt after the first round. They’ve covered themselves sufficiently here.
— I think the Seahawks face a very difficult decision with D.K. Metcalf and whatever they decide to do will be criticised. I think the best thing fans can do is acknowledge there’s a strong case to sign him and trade him and not be too melodramatic when the decision comes.
The argument for extending him is that he’s a potential in-house building block who appears happy and settled in Seattle. His presence will help whoever the starting quarterback is this year and in the future. They have the cap space to retain him comfortably. He’s a very popular player with fans and there would be negative PR if they deal him so soon after parting ways with Russell Wilson and Bobby Wagner.
On the other hand, this is a ridiculous draft in terms of the options available. There’s a greater than usual chance of adding a player (or players) who can provide impact and quality at a cost-effective price. It’s also a loaded receiver draft. Someone extremely respectable told me recently there could be up to 30 receivers drafted this year who can contribute in year one.
There was also a long stretch last season where Metcalf simply wasn’t targeted in games. While Pete Carroll clearly loves a big receiver who can make plays downfield — at what point does the price tag ($22-25m) become too much for someone they likely won’t feed the ball, like other teams are prepared to do?
People tend to be quite emotional when discussing a topic like this but the Seahawks’ front office wouldn’t be doing the job properly if they didn’t consider being able to add a receiver and another player who can contribute quickly, for a fraction of the cost of retaining Metcalf.
This is a foundational draft and a GM facing a major restructure will likely want to pick as often as possible to add building blocks.
I suspect we’re still a couple of weeks away from things heating up. As we saw with the Frank Clark trade — that happened days before the draft started. Ideally you’d find a resolution sooner and perhaps the recent blast of trades and new deals will spur action? Deebo Samuel and A.J. Brown also being in the same boat, however, might delay things as all three wait for the next domino to fall.
Onto the mock — I’ll provide notes after each round and analysis on every Seahawks pick at the end.
First round
#1 Jacksonville — Travon Walker (DE, Georgia)
#2 Detroit — Aidan Hutchinson (DE, Michigan)
#3 Houston — Kayvon Thibodeaux (DE, Oregon)
#4 New York Jets — Jermaine Johnson (DE, Florida State)
#5 New York Giants — Evan Neal (G, Alabama)
#6 Carolina — Ikem Ekonwu (G, NC State)
#7 New York Giants — Sauce Gardner (CB, Cincinnati)
#8 Atlanta — Kyle Hamilton (S, Notre Dame)
#9 Seattle — Derek Stingley Jr (CB, LSU)
#10 New York Jets — Garrett Wilson (WR, Ohio State)
#11 Washington — Chris Olave (WR, Ohio State)
#12 Minnesota — Jordan Davis (DT, Georgia)
#13 Houston — Trent McDuffie (CB, Washington)
#14 Baltimore — Trevor Penning (T, Northern Iowa)
#15 Philadelphia — Devonte Wyatt (DT, Georgia)
#16 Philadelphia — Jameson Williams (WR, Alabama)
#17 LA Chargers — Zion Johnson (G, Boston College)
#18 New Orleans — Charles Cross (T, Miss. State)
#19 Philadelphia — Boye Mafe (DE, Minnesota)
#20 Pittsburgh — Malik Willis (QB, Liberty)
#21 New England — Drake London (WR, USC)
#22 Green Bay — Perrion Winfrey (DT, Oklahoma)
#23 Arizona — Arnold Ebiketie (DE, Penn State)
#24 Dallas — Sam Williams (DE, Ole Miss)
#25 Buffalo — Quay Walker (LB, Georgia)
#26 Tennessee — Matt Corral (QB, Ole Miss)
#27 Tampa Bay — George Karlaftis (DE, Purdue)
#28 Green Bay — Abraham Lucas (T, Washington State)
#29 Kansas City — Travis Jones (DT, Connecticut)
#30 Kansas City — David Ojabo (DE, Michigan)
#31 Cincinnati — Kaiir Elam (CB, Florida)
#32 Detroit — Kenny Pickett (QB, Pittsburgh)
— Tony Pauline reported last week that it’s possible Travon Walker could be an option at #1 overall. You might scoff at it but let’s remember a few things here. Walker has an outstanding physical profile and his production at Georgia was impacted by opponents struggling to stay on the field against them, plus the way he was used as a movable chess piece. With no clear-cut #1 pick this year, teams will weigh up preferences, scheme-fit and upside. Walker has arguably more upside than any other player in this draft.
— Could we really see nine pass rushers leave the board in round one? Yes, is the answer. A good source mentioned to me recently that some teams have nine graded in round one alone. An early rush will create a ‘fear of missing out’ situation. Plus a lot of teams simply need an ‘EDGE’. If you do miss out early, you’ll be relying on upside and projection in the middle rounds. From a Seahawks perspective, this is why I think the Nwosu signing was a wise move.
— The first round reflects my conversation with Scot McCloughan where he discussed the prospect of three QB’s going in the second-half of round one. In this projection, none of the three would have pressure to start immediately — which is important because as McCloughan noted, all three need time and development.
Second round
#33 Jacksonville — Greg Dulcich (TE, UCLA)
#34 Detroit — Christian Watson (WR, North Dakota State)
#35 New York Jets — Lewis Cine (S, Georgia)
#36 New York Giants — Cam Jurgens (C, Nebraska)
#37 Houston — Kevin Austin Jr (WR, Notre Dame)
#38 New York Jets — Treylon Burks (WR, Arkansas)
#39 Chicago — Tyler Smith (T, Tulsa)
#40 Seattle — Tyler Linderbaum (C, Iowa)
#41 Seattle — Channing Tindall (LB, Georgia)
#42 Indianapolis — Demarri Mathis (CB, Pittsburgh)
#43 Atlanta — Breece Hall (RB, Iowa State)
#44 Cleveland — Leo Chenal (LB, Wisconsin)
#45 Baltimore — Cole Strange (C, Chattanooga)
#46 Minnesota — Kyler Gordon (CB, Washington)
#47 Washington — Devin Lloyd (LB, Utah)
#48 Chicago — Jahan Dotson (WR, Penn State)
#49 New Orleans — Kenneth Walker (RB, Michigan State)
#50 Kansas City — Tariq Woolen (CB, UTSA)
#51 Philadelphia — Christian Harris (LB, Alabama)
#52 Pittsburgh — Nick Cross (S, Maryland)
#53 Green Bay — Trey McBride (TE, Colorado State)
#54 New England — Bernhard Raimann (G, Central Michigan)
#55 Arizona — Roger McCreary (CB, Auburn)
#56 Dallas — Logan Hall (DT, Houston)
#57 Buffalo — Andrew Booth (CB, Clemson)
#58 Atlanta — Desmond Ridder (QB, Cincinnati)
#59 Green Bay — Jalen Tolbert (WR, South Alabama)
#60 Tampa Bay — Bryan Cook (S, Cincinnati)
#61 San Francisco — Jalyn Armour-Davis (CB, Alabama)
#62 Kansas City — Jaquan Brisker (S, Penn State)
#63 Cincinnati — Joshua Paschal (DE, Kentucky)
#64 Denver — Nik Bonitto (DE, Oklahoma)
— One thing to consider here, because I can already feel the comments section heating up, is how the league has approached the center position. Even someone with good tape and extreme explosive qualities like Creed Humphrey lasted to pick #63 a year ago. Landon Dickerson, another highly rated player albeit carrying an injury, was the #37 pick. Josh Myers lasted to #62 and Kendrick Green and Quinn Meinerz were still there in round three. It’s a position we tend to think we’ll be drafted earlier than it ever is. Let’s acknowledge that first and foremost.
— I might have Cam Jurgens too high in this mock, despite my enthusiasm for his play. But here’s the thing — he’s pretty much the complete prospect. He’s ideally sized (6-3, 303lbs), has good length (33.5 inch arms), he ran a 4.92 forty, he’s highly explosive (3.34 TEF, 102.5 weighted TEF) and at his pro-day he even ran a 4.49 short shuttle and a 7.19 three cone. Plus he plays with a great physical intensity and his tape is better than people recognise. There are no physical flaws. Why wouldn’t he be the first center off the board? Compare this to Tyler Linderbaum who is currently injured and therefore hasn’t done any testing, he’s 296lbs and has 31 1/8 inch arms. So he’s undersized with short arms and nobody knows his true physical profile. A lot of people thought Teven Jenkins and Christian Barmore were high picks a year ago and they lasted to #38 and #39. Who really expected D.K. Metcalf to last as long as he did? Just saying.
— My second round has a mix of players I think are underrated and overrated. In the underrated group — Kevin Austin Jr, Cam Jurgens, Demarri Mathis, Leo Chenal, Cole Strange, Nick Cross, Bryan Cook and Jalyn Armour-Davis. In the overrated group — Devin Lloyd, Andrew Booth and Nakobe Dean. Lloyd had great production at Utah but just doesn’t have any special physical traits. Booth is reportedly a 4.6 runner and Dean is 5-11 and 229lbs. He hasn’t tested due to injury. He’ll need a spectacular showing to make up for his lack of size. I have him in round three currently.
What they Seahawks might consider in round three
Here are the next few picks, taking us to Seattle’s selection at #72:
#65 Jacksonville — Zach Tom (C, Wake Forest)
#66 Detroit — Nakobe Dean (LB, Georgia)
#67 New York Giants — Drake Jackson (DE, USC)
#68 Houston — Kenyon Green (G, Texas A&M)
#69 New York Jets — Troy Andersen (LB, Montana State)
#70 Jacksonville — Cam Taylor-Britt (CB, Nebraska)
#71 Chicago — Wan’Dale Robinson (WR, Kentucky)
The first thing to consider is they haven’t taken a pass rusher. When you get to round three, this is when the developmental options start to become appealing.
Drake Jackson is off the board but Dominique Robinson, DeAngelo Malone, Amaré Barno, Christopher Allen and Jeffrey Gunter all have the lean frame with great length and quickness that Seattle likes.
I don’t want to make a habit of mentioning his name until there’s an update on his legal case but look, there’s also no point pretending he wouldn’t be an option.
Adam Anderson.
He is 6-4 and 240lbs with 35.5 inch arms. He ran a 4.57 forty, a 4.28 short shuttle and a 7.06 three cone. He jumped a 39 inch vertical and a 11-1 broad.
On tape, purely from a football perspective, he is the absolute definition of what Seattle needs. He’s a sensational edge rusher who is so quick off the snap he forces offensive tackles out of position almost immediately, affording the ideal opportunity to counter with speed-to-power, an inside counter using a swim or by simply using his balance to bend and straighten to the QB.
The Seahawks drafted Frank Clark when his case was dropped. They seriously considered signing Antonio Brown. They seemingly pursued Deshaun Watson. If Anderson’s case is dropped before the draft, I can’t say I’d be surprised if they drafted him in round two — let alone in round three. We’ll see what happens.
Alternative options at #72 include running back. I think they need more because you simply can’t trust Rashaad Penny and Chris Carson to stay healthy. Dameon Pierce is very much a ‘Seahawks style’ runner. I also think Zamir White in this range makes sense — yet the depth at the position could tempt them to wait until later.
Best player available at #72 might be a receiver. They might see particular value at this spot — even if D.K. Metcalf signs an extension. I also think they might try to further bolster their offensive line (which is ultimately the pick I went with).
Seahawks seven round projection plus notes
#9 — Derek Stingley Jr (CB, LSU)
I get the sense the top pass rushers will be gone and the Seahawks will see a rare opportunity to draft an exceptional corner. Both Stingley Jr and Sauce Gardner make a lot of sense with this pick. I can imagine Carroll being very excited to work with a player with Stingley’s potential as a former #1 overall recruit and they might see this as a ‘can’t miss’ opportunity, much like they did with Earl Thomas in 2010. Carroll is also well connected to Ed Orgeron and might want to justify Sean Desai’s faith in joining the team by providing him with a player once considered to be destined for greatness. I know the Seahawks haven’t drafted a cornerback this early before but a couple of things to remember. Firstly, they’ve rarely been in a position like this to draft a fantastic cornerback early in round one. Secondly, the shift to more 3-4 concepts and man coverage will place greater pressure on the cornerbacks to stick in coverage, rather than just play everything in front.
#40 — Tyler Linderbaum (C, Iowa)
Fans of other teams and casual draft observers who’ve been fed talk of Linderbaum being a top-10 pick will shout at me for this. However, I’ve been very consistent with my projection on Linderbaum, dating all the way back to last summer. He’s an undersized, short-armed center who won’t appeal to certain schemes. Not only that, he’s not done any testing due to injury. A fall out of the first round isn’t improbable. After all, the likes of Daniel Jeremiah are only projecting him as the 30th best player in the class. I previously had him going to the Dolphins at #29 but they traded away their top pick. The Seahawks just signed Austin Blythe who is 298lbs and has 30 1/4 inch arms. He basically has the exact same body type as Linderbaum. Therefore, I think there’s a strong chance the Seahawks will be one of the teams very interested in him — because their new scheme calls for this type of center. Potential other suitors who run the same kind of blocking scheme — LA, San Francisco, Miami — are not in range. The Jets are paying Connor McGovern $10m this year. Frankly I wouldn’t be surprised if the Seahawks tried to jump back into the late first to make sure they get Linderbaum.
#41 — Channing Tindall (LB, Georgia)
We’ve been able to identify what the Seahawks like at linebacker after 12 years of the Carroll/Schneider era. It’s basically remarkable athletes with unique traits and/or players who run a fantastic short shuttle. Tindall ticks both boxes — he ran a 4.05 shuttle at pro-day, having previously run a 4.47 forty at the combine and jumped a 42 inch vertical. He flies to the ball like a missile and will provide early special teams dynamism if they want to bring him along slowly — as they did with Jordyn Brooks. He’s the ideal replacement for Bobby Wagner and the Seahawks should try to add at least one of the Georgia defenders in this draft.
#72 — Logan Bruss (T/G, Wisconsin)
As the Seahawks adapt to a blocking scheme more similar to what the Rams use, they appear destined to try and mimic their types of blockers. They’ve already added former Rams starting center Austin Blythe. LA’s starting guards last year were both converted tackles. Bruss played tackle at Wisconsin but also projects well at guard. He ticks a couple of boxes because his agility testing (4.55 short shuttle) works for the scheme but his explosive testing (3.08 TEF) matches what Seattle has traditionally looked for. Bruss could start at right tackle in year one but if not, he could slot in and compete at guard. He’s a good fit for the type of lineman they’re after.
#109 — DeAngelo Malone (DE, Western Kentucky)
He hasn’t done any testing yet and we’ll need to see those results first. However, Malone put on a show at the Senior Bowl despite being undersized at about 235lbs. He wasn’t overwhelmed by bigger blockers and had a number of good wins when engaging contact. He was 243lbs at the combine but chose not to run or test. As a somewhat raw super-senior with age working against him, he might last on the board longer than you’d typically expect. However — having missed out on the pass rushers early — the Seahawks could do a lot worse than adding Malone here and adding him to the rotation.
#152 — Jack Coan (QB, Notre Dame)
I think rounds 4-5 is where you consider drafting someone like Coan or Kaleb Eleby, to throw into the competition. So why Coan? He’s shown evidence of going through progressions, he has a strong throwing base, his arm strength is decent enough and the way he dragged Notre Dame to victory against Virginia Tech sticks in your memory. Give him a chance to compete for a job.
#153 — Percy Butler (S, Louisiana)
He’s taking an official visit to Seattle and it’s no surprise. Butler is a brilliant special teams gunner and I can imagine them making sure they get him by selecting him in round five.
#230 — Zonovan Knight (RB, NC State)
There are two things I really like about Knight. Firstly — his ability to drive through contact and finish runs (thus, he has the nickname ‘Bam’). Secondly — the quick-feet he showed at the combine skipping over the bags had to pretty much be seen to be believed. He could be a big sleeper in this draft class. His explosive testing could be better but this late in the day, maybe they’d take a chance?
Closing thoughts
A useful exercise here would be to take this projection and consider what else you’d have if you traded D.K. Metcalf. For example, let’s say the Eagles gave you #16 and a third rounder. You could add Zion Johnson or Boye Mafe, plus a third rounder such as possibly Dameon Pierce or a receiver. But you subtract Metcalf. Or you could imagine taking #35 and #38 from the Jets and potentially moving back into the first — or staying put and simply adding two more players from the top-50. Again though, you subtract Metcalf.
If you’re torn on what the best decision is (like me) it’s an interesting experiment.
As I was writing this mock I also felt like I wanted at least one more pick in the middle rounds. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Seahawks traded down from #41 to make that a reality. It all depends who’s available, though. In this projection I think they’d stay put — but if the two players I had them picking were off the board (which isn’t improbable) I think there are serious trade-down options in round two. More so than at #9, I’d say.
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100% believe they’ll trade down from 41.
Why Linderbaum over Strange? Because his physical profile so closely matches Blythe’s?
LOVE that they got Stingley.
They basically have the same body
OK, it’s just that you seemed down on Linderbaum and higher on Strange. Of course if you are doing this based on what you think the Seahawks will do, it makes more sense.
But a mock draft isn’t me picking players I like
It’s projecting what might happen
Thanks great write up
Devin Lloyd is overrated. He’s honestly kind of erratic. But he’s long and he’s got that alpha dog vibe and a nose for the blitz.
It only takes one team that’s focused on adding tone-setting / leader-type guys on defense for him to go some time between 17-32. I bet the Titans see a Harold Landry-esque pass rushing linebacker.
Rob,
Rob this site is fantastic and the content is amazing. I while back I was reading an article from the Athletic called “Friedmans Freaks” where they talk about the most freakish athletes in college football. That’s when I first heard about Boye Mafe. In the article his testing numbers were fantastic. Then he had a great performance at the senior bowl. I thought for sure he could be a Seahawk. Then his combine numbers were not what I thought they would be. Friedman had him running a 1.58 split at 6’4 and 260 pounds. On tape he looks like the 1.58 athlete. I don’t know if he has had a pro day yet? But I would be very interested in his numbers.
Just to add to the Metcalf trade discussion – I did write they could get a Jamal Adams-type haul if a bidding war erupts for Metcalf, and I don’t want that to be mistaken to mean they could get 2 firsts and a third right now for him.
I still believe that they should get as much as Adams in trade.
Keep in mind the Seahawks made this trade in the summer of 2020. The two firsts were 2021 and 2022, the third was a 2021. The Jets got no usable assets in the trade (unless you count McDougald) for a whole season. And they’ve had to wait 2 seasons to get that second first round pick. Meanwhile the Seahawks got Adams on a very cheap deal in 2020 and had him locked for 2022 with the first round tender. That leg up cost them dearly.
So if the Seahawks were to trade Metcalf before draft day, we can use the ‘bump a round a year’ rule to measure the trade.
Next year first round = this year 2nd round
Next year third round = this year 4th round
Two years out first round = next year 2nd round
Those are the principal players. You can add a McDougald-type player coming to Seattle and the Seahawks sending a next year third round pick back as well to balance the 4th they got from the Jets.
The big difference is we’d know where the 2022 2nd round pick is in the order. That can add or subtract depending on who is trading.
That’s about what the Seahawks would need to net in order to equal the capital in the Adams trade.
I’m totally fine getting another R1 in 2023 along with any picks this year. More ammo next year the better to help ensure getting their QB.
If they decide to trade DK it should be atleast 1 First and 1 second. That’s minimum. Is that not fair looking at what Adams and Tyrek got?
What I would like to see IF HE’S TRADED is a second this year and a 1st next year.
I agree with that assessment. I want 1 more 1st next year to allow us to get best QB available.
Might end up a bidding war next year …. seeing as the Giants are wanting to trade #7 for a next year 1st
They are doing that for cap reasons more than anything else. They are still “all in” on their current QB as well. If Dan Jones does a good job (with the stability they are saying they want to give him), he may just stick next year.
Im with the second this year and 1st next year. Jets and Lions come to mind as teams we should look at. But i dont think there is going to be a bidding war for the QBs. Rob doesn’t like CJ Stroud or Young, but im willing to bet teams will take them over Levis and we will still get a shot at Levis. There will probably also be some guys show out like there is every year. We will have a shot at a QB and hope we dont get desperate and trade away multiple firsts to move up in some sort of “bidding war”.
Rob,
Are there any players that you have studied that you think the Seahawks might reach for, think Bruce Irvin, that are ranked much lower at #9. I know you mentioned Faalele before after a trade back, Tariq Woolen is who comes to mind for me. I just keep thinking back to previous surprises.
No — and I don’t think, knowing what we know now, that Irvin was a reach
Right, he was a surprise pick, not a reach.
We didn’t know that much about PCJS at the time.
I think it would be less surprising nowadays
Ok, I’m going to hype one of my Aggies, DeMarvin Leal as a 3rd round target.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/demarvin-leal/32004c45-4147-7581-9665-c345b9ebfc64
I think he will be a solid addition in the middle rounds for a 3-4 defense and will age well in the NFL, but he needs to become seasoned before he make an impact. Last year was not his best but it wasn’t horrible either.
Your time and dedication is truly appreciated, Rob. Great stuff! I do have to disagree with you on your evaluation of Nakobe Dean who I believe will have an outstanding NFL career. He has the same height as Bobby Wagner (enough said). There is no reason to think that Dean can’t add weight to his frame as he ages. Dean has the best intangibles and instincts of any LB in this impressive class of LB. Assuming he is healthy, it is tough for me to see any scenario where he falls out of the first round.
Bobby Wagner isn’t 229lbs
And if Nakobe Dean tests as well as Wagner, I’ll review my decision. So far he hasn’t done any testing
Harsh reality on picks 1 through 8 as I could certainly see things going that way. I feel like they have pretty much sold out to getting a DE/rush LB with their first pick. I see them trading back 4-8 spots and reaching a fair bit for a second (or gulp) third tier player, yes reaching for need – this is the Seahawks way.
I think they’ve finally learned a lesson on not trying to find someone stupid late in free agency or post draft trades and with how strongly they’ve talked about needing to shore up the position coupled with the cleaning of house on the d-line and seeming promises made to Desai I think it’s DE/LB or bust with the first pick.
Not sure I agree they’d take a center with a day two pick – they paid 4 million for their 2022 starter and in Seahawks land paying 4 million for their center is like another team paying 12 million for theirs. Add in the brought back Fuller and have their pet project that they like behind them both and it’s a tough sell for me to see them picking a center early if at all.
I could see them grabbing another receiver in either the second or third round – receivers often take time to develop and Lockett will become pretty expensive if he starts to show some aging this year or next, as it is whenever he gets nagging types of injuries they really seem to affect his effectiveness and the offense as a whole usually suffers accordingly.
I know lazy without players but my projection of positions taken in the early rounds:
1) DE/LB
2) OT
2) WR
3) CB
4) another DE/LB
I disagree, I think for DE/Rush LB, they’ve actually hedged their bets quite well with their FA signing of Nwosu. They would still want a rush EDGE somewhere in the draft, but they do not sell out to draft an EDGE with their first at all.
Tackle on the other hand is concerning.
Round 1: CB
Round 2: C
Round 2: if they trade Metcalf: WR
Round 2: if they don’t trade Metcalf: OT
About the Giants…. it’s worth noting they are in a “salary cap hell” situation right now, which could be taken advantage of.
Somehow, without a QB-contract on the books, they are -$11 million in in effective cap space right now, which includes their rookie cap space. The #5 and #7 pick are worth $6.5 and $5.1mil per year, respectively. How a team is able to mismanage their cap like that is beyond me.
Along with the reasons Rob stated above, the Giant could be shopping the #7 pick as a “cap casualty”… meaning the team who makes the trade could be getting the better end of the bargain.
This may be a reach (it’s hypothetical season!) but could the Seahawks be the market to trade the Broncos 2023 1st straight up for #7?
You need that extra pick next year for the 2023 QB class.
If that were possible and they could trade the #9 pick to move back and gain more picks next year. Seems unlikely though because if another team would trade a 1 to move up to #9, they could just trade the Giants. If we got another 2nd next year and then we had 3 2nd round picks and a 1 next year, along with #7 and #20 (random guess) this year, it might work.
With the RB room so unreliable, and no outside FA additions, it feels like they’re geared up to add one earlier than round 7. For every Carson in the 7th there’s a few Zac Brooks so it would feel like a awful gamble to count on Dallas/Homer/late rounder if/when Carson and Penny are injured.
I like the mid round options Rob has been highlighting, hopefully to see one added
Darn, now a prime candidate to take a center right ahead of us in R2?
Not at #1 overall. Don’t over think it.
I think he was talking about #33 in R2
👍🤷♂️
Evidence DK can be the next QB’s best friend?
Take out his numbers against a ghastly Jacksonville Jaguars team and an 84 yard TD against the Saints where the CB who was gaurding him perfectly fell down inexplicably and then the safety made a mess of trying to get to him for the tackle and his numbers are : 7 catches for 70 yards and zero tds.
Against the Saints with a better secondary – take out his lucky 84 yard play and he had 1 catch for 12 yards and no td. Stats can be misleading, especially with limited data points(3games).
ouch
True. But then take out everyone’s best stats against everyone.
I think last years version of Jacksonville qualifies as an outlier, a team on an island of putridity – not a part of the ‘everyone’ of teams you are referring to.
And with only three games to go on I think it’s perfectly fair to look at his production against the only team of the three with a decent secondary.
Small correction as well – he only had 3 td’s in those three games, two against Jacksonville and the one mirage against the Saints.
Sign Duane Brown
You good with $10-12m like he has been making?
Make it a two year deal if needs be.
I agree. Let’s get Duane back in blue and green.
Agree 100%. Sign Duane Brown. It sounds like Brown hasn’t found an offer he likes.
In my opinion. Pay the man. Sometimes John Schneider out smarts himself.
9th pick & 3 rd round to NYG for 7 th pick and Barkley. Barkley = Marshone,
distressed asset
Not an area of immediate concern. That 3rd rounder is a good asset in this year’s draft. Use it to actually fill a position of need.
Barkley is just as injury prone as Carson and Penny. For an RB, that isn’t a situation that typically gets better.
Oh, and he’s gonna cost you over $7 million.
Distressed assets don’t have that much value. Only one year of Barkley at $7m is not worthless but it’s not worth very much at all.
Reworking it a little, If the Seahawks are trading #9 and #72 to the Giants for a pick and Barkley, they’re sending back #5 instead of 7 and eating at least $4-5m of his 2022 salary.
Throw in a conditional 2023 5th round pick if the Seahawks resign him.
And I doubt either side would want that.
You think they are holding off on signing Brown in an effort not to telegraph what they are doing at #9? If we signed Brown, then that would take the OTs off our board so teams would then jump to take a CB or DLine?
Nah
I think it’s simply Brown has a value in his mind and is probably prepared to retire if he doesn’t get it. And it’s about finding a compromise.
Rob, just curious what draft simulator you use?
Pro Football Network — it’s the best one IMO
Rob: The reason I like your picks. Is because you are taking the BPA instead of reaching for a need. However, to tell you the truth. When you get right down to the brass knuckles. Eventually every position is a position of need. A position on a roster might not be a position of need now. But eventually it will be a position of need Bottom line. You can’t have enough good players.
I personally wouldn’t be mad if this is what we came away with. Obviously you know my love for Cam Jurgens and seeing him go a few picks before us would be a gut punch but Linderbaum is a like a 1.b for me. So I’d be excited. I’d hate to miss out on a top DE at 9 but I have a feeling you’re right Rob. I just don’t get the sense one will fall.
I like this mock Rob, for the entirely meta reason that pundits, in the face of all the evidence to the contrary, have been mocking first round corners to the Seahawks for most of the last 7 or 8 years. Now that they are all mocking QBs or Oline it would be a totally Seahawks thing for them to finally take a CB early.
I’m with you, Rob. My worst fear is the team gets locked on the DE position like they did when they picked LJ Collier. We fans might also be too focused on classic D-Ends. If Seattle is really headed toward a 3-4 defense, then they may be looking more toward the long LB hybrid type used as DE’s in the 3-4. That defense typically has a nose tackle. Jordan Davis might be ideal for this after a trade down. Then inside that the 3-4 typically uses a DT/DE hybrids – Quinton Jefferson/Rashaad Green types. Then outside that, the 3-4 uses the LB/DE hybrid, Darrell Taylor/Alton Robinson/Adam Anderson types. This shift in defense may totally shift who they focus on in the draft. Just a thought.
They re-signed Al Woods though, and they love him. You don’t typically launch a rebuild by spending a high pick on a two down defender which is what a nose tackle is
My comment was more of a prod to get you thinking that if the Seahawks are shifting to a 3-4 defense, how might that shift the type of front 7 defensive personnel they might be looking for? Right now it seems we are looking through our old 4-3 defense filter. Things may have changed.
I think they were locked in on Noah Fant and didn’t have a thought-out Plan B in the event that another team took him.
They were locked in on Gary & Burns. Then they went off the board. They were then going to take Fant. He went off the board. They moved down with the intention of drafting Abram. He went off the board.
A mess.
Do you think it’s likely a DK trade won’t happen until the draft? As Seattle trades if and only if a guy they like it available with the pick they get? Seems like there’s no reason to not play it like this.
Hey Rob, if Kyle Hamilton is BPA at pick #9 do you fear like I do they will take him?
Also if pass rushers and two corners are gone along with Evan Neal and Ikem will you think McDuffle or ANdrew Booth at #9 is a good pick?
No
I agree. Davonte Wyatt should be that pick but I don’t think it will play out that way
Lol I would be so mad if we took another safety.
I heard rob rang speculate that they already have deals in place with Duane brown and geno smith, but aren’t doing so because they are trying to “bluff” other teams. Interesting listen https://www.iheart.com/podcast/139-the-furness-show-25723929/episode/furness-h2—rob-rang-on-quarterbacks-in-the-draft-texts-softy-celebrates-the-gonzaga-loss-94675493?cmp=ios_share&sc=ios_social_share&pr=false
This would be a good scenario to prevent them from drafting a tackle high. I like your mock draft rob.
Stingley, Prez, diggs, and hopefully Tre brown comes back strong. That would be the best secondary since LOB. Gosh I’m so glad we got all those picks for Russell, there is hope again!!!
Also interesting listening to Jake and Stacy that inside the building they want Cody Barton to start at next year. Brady Henderson was saying some people in the building wanted to start Cody earlier earlier.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4C8yjvAepwaxF47XkBwZqj?si=Opx2G9M9Th6QraPBOgiomw
“Softy celebrates the Gonzaga loss”? Fuck you Softy you jealous Husky homer. How about you talk about the Huskies dodging the Zags 2 years in a row now you POS? Remember in 2020 when UW claimed they couldn’t go to Spokane to play CU because they didn’t want to travel due to Covid and then turned around a week later and travelled to Riverside, CA to play a Division II school? You’re so envious about GU it’s pathetic.
Good write up Rob. Kenneth Walker would look great in Seahawks blue. Would prefer him over Lindsteom if the draft fell this way. Good mock tho with solid reasoning behind each pick.
Ya, offensive lineman are rarely a sexy pick. But those RBs in the early 2nd round look very sexy indeed.
Rob,
Much like you I also have visions of Leo Chenal or Channing Tindall in a Hawks uniform given their explosive athletic profiles, but what do you make of JS recent comments that Cody Barton is being ticketed for a big role this season? Just draft season smoke or do they legitimately view view him as a starting caliber LB? If the latter it makes me nervous that they may not consider ILB a top draft priority.
JS comment was interesting. It makes me think JS/PC may value other positions higher in the 2nd round instead of LB – maybe OL, RB, CB, WR hedge, or even double up on a pass rusher (a bit rich imo) if they took one at #9 in this hypothetical.
They’ll very likely make one 2nd round pick from one of those non-LB position groups. It all comes down to where they see the best fit for the other 2nd rounder. It is a tough choice because there’s a lot of value and upside to be had with various players/positions in the early 2nd.
Then factoring how much that 2nd rd pick might afford the team cap savings if the draft pick becomes a starter by 2023. If they beat out Cody Barton, well there’s not much cap saving there. However if a rookie RB beats out Penny then we save a solid $6mil as a baseline for a 2023 or split the difference and call it about $4 mil in savings when accounting for the rookie contract. Same goes for any position though. The point is, Barton is unlikely to be paid much meaning his replacement will not be much in cap savings regardless of quality of play. Same cannot be said for potentially replacing Penny, any WR, or OT when compared to who we have now and how much a solid free agent would cost instead.
Not saying cap savings is the be all, end all. But if talent is considered similar with 2 different players from different positions then potential cap savings might be the difference in who the front office elects to choose in the 2nd round versus waiting until round 3, 4 or 5.
That’s what I’d say too if I wanted to draft a LB early
this gives me anxiety… but I absolutely love it, thanks.
I see Tindall as a 4-3 OLB. I don’t see him as a “Mike” like Wagner. I see Chenal as an ILB.
Tindall can play wherever the hell he wants
I think Seattle should draft Nakobe Dean he stood out more me then Tindall or Walker .
He’s 5-11 and 229lbs. When he can run a 4.4, jump a 42 inch vertical, run a 4.05 short shuttle and kick the crap out of people at the Senior Bowl — we can start looking at him ahead of people like Channing Tindall
You are a machine Rob and I have to think you’ll be able to retire off that Lock jersey one day.
Let us all hope so 😆
Giving DK crazy money is like the Minnesota Vikings instituting the “Randy Ratio.” Dumb making a WR your franchise player. All these great WRs in the salary cap era have never won Super Bowls. Not sure why Carroll/Schneider think they can be the “smartest” people in the room here.
If you’re going to suck in 2022, who cares? Why not get another (at least #1 pick) for 2023 when you can actually get yourself a QB of your choosing.
Just because you have an extra 1 and 2 next year doesn’t mean any team has to take those picks and trade with you. If you’re going to suck, suck right. Go with Lock. Make sure your pick isn’t going to be good so you will be more primed for that top QB pick… AND so you have extra picks to build around/with that QB.
I just don’t see the value of giving a WR a record breaking contract on a team who has waved the white flag on the position that gets the ball to the said QB.
I see the larger point about this year, but at the same time, blaming Randy Moss for the Pats not winning the 2007-8 Super Bowl feels a little off. A great WR can certainly help you get to a Super Bowl and then there’s no reason they couldn’t help you win it.
That’s not this team, though, right now.
Obviously I recognize you said the Vikings with Moss, but I was addressing the second sentence–Moss was still a big $ receiver in 2007.
It more about as a coach how you utilized the strength of the player. If you trade Jimmy Graham and ask him to block whose fault ?
Ummmmm………..ummmmmmm…………I give up
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oh wait, no I don’t Pete Carroll!
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Just some low brow humor from Drew Lock’s college days. Love the fist in the air response to the rowdy fan.
https://youtube.com/shorts/Gm_orslQMK0?feature=share
That’s funny…
I just got on here to ask if you’d be happy if the Hawks took Travon Walker with the pick at #9 instead of Johnson or KT and you have him going #1 overall!
I’m still going to ask the question though. Why did the previous mocks have Johnson and KT as our preferred pass rushers? Would you be happy with Walker and what is his comp in your eyes?
WalterFootball said many have him rated higher than Hutchinson.
Thank you and Go Hawks!!
Not Rob, but I could answer half the question. It seems that Staton knows Walker is practically a lock to go before the Hawks pick. With KT, he might slide due to some character concerns. Johnson might slide becuase Walker and KT have seemingly higher upside, so they could be taken before him. That would make him last. So it’s more of a “who has a possibility of being at #9” then dreaming that Walker could fall so far.
Walker has been a top five lock since the combine so there’s little point considering him
Diggs checking in with a DK opinion
Jaylen Watson with some interesting numbers at his pro day.
4.48 fyd, 11’0 BJ, 38 VJ.
Cannot find info on his agility.
Abe Lucas increased his broad jump from 105 to 113 inches and his vertical from 27 to 29 inches.
If the Seahawks trade up to acquire a C (Lindenbaum was suggested) why not take Jurgens? Both are good, I think. I’d be happy with either … and very happy with either at #40.
Well the point of it in this mock was that Austin Blythe has Linderbaum’s exact frame
I’m wondering which of the “potential” Centers would be the most effective against the Rams Aaron Donald? From the Center tapes I’ve watched, along with the current potential Center rankings, I think the very best option for blocking Aaron Donald is OC-Cam Jurgens. Controlling Donald to minimize his impact has to be a consideration for the Seahawks OL plans. To me, Jurgens looks like the best possible option at Center.
Great podcast & write up.
Definitely got me thinking hard on DK. If they can’t lock him up before the draft I think I’d trade him.
Especially if I can get the Jets package. Obviously we should know before the draft if we think we can get Metcalf signed or not.
Jets offered 35, 38, & 69 to KC for Hill & #103 = 1227 points
Jets could offer 35, 38, & 69 for Metcalf & #109 = 1239 points
Almost the exact same trade. I’m surprised KC passed on it.
Seems to make sense as the Value for Metcalf, with his age & upside.
Also a deal that would be difficult for JS to say no to.
6 picks in top 69 feels about right to help with a quick revamp of the roster.
Why not #38 & #69 this year from the Jets & their #1 next year. No need to trade down with any of your picks if you received next years #1 from the Jets.
Jets aren’t going to give you a first next year, or an offer that big
To expect more from the Jets than the offer they gave KC is just not realistic.
As it Stands, It was better than what GB received for Adams & I prefer it over the package KC received from Miami.
ROb: Hypothetical question. Suppose the Hawks take Stingley.
Lets say the Seahawks are playing the Rams. Would you put Stingley on Cooper Kupp? And have Stingley cover Kupp man to man?
Maybe
The CB the Seahawks would normally be interested in:
https://mobile.twitter.com/JimNagy_SB/status/1508576542783418371
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Cougs are fine. No 🦆 🦆
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This mock is very good and certainly reflects your feelings as to the top talents in round 1 and what you feel each team may do. But I just look at it and I keep thinking its just to perfect, to clean, with every team seemingly picking the BPA. I just don’t think its placing enough weight on what may happen with the quarterbacks. Pick 20 just seems to late for the first QB to come off the board.
Now I realize the QB class this year isn’t highly thought of, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are several teams desperate for a QB and may be willing to take a shot if a guy they like is available. They may see a Malik Willis, Kenny Pickett or Matt Corral as an upgrade over what they have or just may like their potential.
Its hard to see all these teams being patient and hoping they can get their QB next year or hoping they can get one of these guys later in the draft.
These teams could draft a QB early.
#2 Detroit – They know Jared Goff’s not the answer and they would have their pick of the top 3 QB’s. Great situation as they have Goff and they could sit him for a year and develop him.
#6 Carolina – Desparate for a QB is an understatement. I just don’t see them playing this year with just Sam Darnold, especially with their owner. I think there is a better than good chance they take a QB with this pick. Their next pick isn’t until the forth round.
#8 Atlanta – I think if they like one of the top 3 QB’s, they could take him here if he’s available. Another good situation for a rookie QB as they have Marcus Mariota and could sit him and develope him.
#9 Seattle – You would have to think they would like Malik Willis’s athletic abilites or possibly Matt Corral. But I just think their going defense with this pick. But who knows, Pete is a wild card.
#11 Washington – Another potential landing spot for one of the top 3 QB’s. They have Carson Wentz, there looking for a QB and could sit him and develope him. Theres a lot of pressure for them to find a QB.
#15, 16 & 19 Philadelphia – If they like one of the top 3 QB’s and he’s available they could take him with 15 or 16. With not being set at QB and three picks in the first round a developmental QB would make a lot of sense.
#18 New Orleans – Another potential landing spot for one ot the top 3 QB’s.
I think by pick 18, theres a very good chance Willis, Corral and Pickett are off the board. It goes without saying that teams will reach for a QB as its such a position of need and is frequently overdrafted.
It depends on how teams perceive the opportunity cost of reaching for a QB rated as a third-round talent. The middle first round possibilities here have much less risk.
i think if one goes early ,especially if it’s detroit that goes at 2, then panic will set in at a few others and we’ll see trade ups and more go in the top 15. If those at the top hold their nerve then i think rob is right it’ll be bottom half of the first
We need to remember…
These quarterbacks aren’t very good.
I don’t get the sense anyone is going to be desperate for them. If they miss out, teams will shrug and move on.
It’s not a good QB class. People are getting carried away with this group. Teams will shrug if they miss out. As Scot McCloughan said — they are R3 developmental types.
Let’s always remember that.
And people might think I’ve gone BPA at every pick. Compare my mock to others online. There are several names in my top-45 that are nowhere near other peoples.
“It’s not a good QB class.”
I wholeheartedly agree, it’s not that good. But at the same time I think your giving the GM’s, head coaches and owners of these QB needy teams a little to much credit. And lets face it, Goff, Darnold, Mariota and Wentz don’t elicit any hope, excitement or sell tickets.
Would you want to be the GM and or the head coach while staring at another losing season and not making the playoffs, selling one of those guys to not only your fanbase but to ownership? With potentially your job on the line?
Your right, there not that good and it would be better value to take one late first round or early second, but that may not be an option for all of these teams. I just find it hard to believe that all the teams that need a QB the most are just going to pass and wait until later.
Detroit has been awfully quite on the QB front throughout the whole FA period. They must have a plan, be it #2 or 32 this year, or someone next year.
Carolina, I can’t believe they are content to go with Darnold. I think they take a QB at 6 or look to trade down and get one.
Washington, a team thats made no secret about improving their QB position, calling most teams this offseason. Wentz isn’t it. A stop gap.
I think back to Malik Willis’s pro day, and who’s standing in the back ground with his mouth gaping open, none other than Mike Tomlin. I don’t think he is the only one looking at one of these guys and thinking, “I can work with that”.
At some point theres going to be a run on the QB’s, I just don’t think its going to start at pick 20.
I think you’re in danger of lurching too much to the other side though. My projection — that three third round graded quarterbacks will be taken in the second half of round one — is hardly giving GM’s and owners too much credit. Those picks are still reaches.
Taking them in the top-10, though, would be a crime. And although people are very quick to argue ‘well some dumb team will draft this guy early because it always happens’ — it doesn’t, really. We haven’t seen a bunch of bad QB’s going in the top-10 or 12 for 11 years.
You’ve got to remember a few things though. Wentz has been brought in BECAUSE Washington don’t see a QB in this draft. Ditto Mariota. Carolina are going to fire their coach in a year anyway. I have Detroit taking a QB in this draft so not sure why Goff is mentioned.
But let’s get something straight here. Drafting one of these QB’s who aren’t ready to play in year one isn’t saving anyone’s job or selling any tickets. Explain to me how Matt Corral or Kenny Pickett or even Malik Willis is going to get fans flocking to stadiums? They’re hardly Trevor Lawrence, are they??? Especially when they’re sat on the bench holding a Microsoft Surface.
I’m not sure why you mention Detroit though. I have them taking a QB at 32.
They aren’t content with Darnold. But having another crap quarterback doesn’t solve anything for them. They know what the situation is here. If they draft Willis at six — that’s it for them. No more picks until R4. They will be a #1 overall pick contender in a year. Their owner and GM (who is safe) know this.
Having three of these QB’s in round one is a fair reflection of teams reaching for the position. We don’t have to go OTT and put them in the top-10.
You are probably right, but I just can’t help but think that someones going to reach for one or more of these guys.
I’ve already seen projections that QB’s may be going with the first three picks in next years draft. I know its early, but it appears that competition for next years QB class is going to be fierce.
Will Anderson will be a lock for the top three picks I think. He might even go #1 overall. He is an absolutely stunning prospect.
Will Levis should go very high. Bryce Young too if he continues progressing. I think Stroud is overrated and needs to take a step forwards.
I like what you have the Eagles doing in Wyatt and Mafe. Interior disruptor and strong edge.
As for the Seahawks, we have had a front row seat watching the Rams with Dlineman Donald and CB Ramsey. So if you could pick one of those two who would you take? For me it’s Donald and I don’t care how many middling hedges Seattle has already signed.
If the talent being equal between Wyatt and Stingley I would therefore take Wyatt. To me, difference makers on either line are hard to come by so if one is available I’m grabbing them. In Round 2 you list a lot of CB’s so take one there because there certainly is a need.
I’m with you on this. Rob has me thinking CB early but both DL and CB are stocked with hedges.
I would love to see great corner play but to me a singular great corner doesn’t alter a defense as much as a great Dlinemen does. Plus you need a line to be competitive. The hawks have assembled to most middling one I can think of in this pete era’s history.
Were it me, and of course it’s not, if the DE’s were gone by nine I’d shop that pick target Wyatt and barring that target Travis Jones and move back up to one if need be and go after Perrion Winfrey/Mafe.
Agreed on everything you said. That’s why I liked Rob’s Eagles draft so much.
Had to check that out again. Yeah. That’s a,pretty good set up going forward…..for philly.
Has Gardner done any testing besides the 40? I can’t find any other numbers. Everything looks the part on tape, but curious if he’s tested.
“We have no intention of trading Wilson,” while a deal is being worked on as he’s answering.
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He did use the dreaded “intend” word about Metcalf as well.
Quite the familiar looking mock posted on 12th Man Rising yesterday…hmm
https://12thmanrising.com/2022/03/28/seahawks-dream-mock/4/
Makes me think of that Oscar Wilde quote about imitation.
Well, Pocic signing with the Browns lends a lot more credence to your pick at 40.
I still believe they’ll start Blythe with Fuller and Shepley as backup and spend at most a low pick for C.
Hope not. Center for Seattle has been garbage since they shipped Unger.
Blythe’s contract doesn’t get much more hedge-like than one year. Fuller, Shepley? I gather JS has said some kind words about shepley but all seriousness here from george fant, etc., do any of these project practice squad adjacent players ever make a difference on this team. I honestly can’t think of one.
Sadly, I believe you’re right. And sadly, imo we’ll never stop seeing Donald dominate whoever is playing C for the Hawks unless and until PCJS are sent packing or he retires.
If they are targeting a QB next year’s draft, center would be a priority this year.
A rookie center and QB are not a good combo. Best to get your rookie some good playing time before your high draft pick QB starts playing.
At least we don’t have to deal with him anymore.
Aaron Donald claims another soul
“Well we just spent 3 first round draft picks for our franchise quarterback and gave him $230million guaranteed. Who should we get to protect our investment?”
Water is wet.
The browns are gonna brown.
I’m down on our teams FO but *checks notes* since pete and john came aboard they’ve spent three draft picks (?) On qb and got a ring and in that time the browns have spent how many 3rd round and higher picks and doled out a soon to be near quarter billion dollars on a qb who has done next to nothing in the league.
O’brien put Watson on an island. He dumped all the good players.
Hence, Watson originally holding out.
Obrien sucked as a coach but I don’t really by that about putting him on an island.
Honey badger, jj watt when he was good, justin reid, deandre hopkins, Lamar miller, a decent if injured Will Fuller.
In his first years the team had talent. I read in SI it had to do with not being in on the hiring of a gm.
Either way he’s holding out when it’s not going his way having done nothing of note. Meanwhile Wilson requests a trade after a decade of winning while the team declines.
How’s it go for the browns in three years when he’s making a ton if the cap if they aren’t winning? He threatens to hold out again.
I disagree with the idea that Bill O’Brien was a bad coach. Bad GM? Absolutely. He massacred that roster. But don’t forget he made the playoffs a few years in a row (three?) despite having no QB to speak of. Ultimately, I think it was this success that made him overconfident. By the time he actually had a QB, he had become so arrogant that he gutted the roster thinking he could just replace everyone like Belichick did. So again, good coach, awful GM.
Fair analysis.
“Meanwhile Wilson requests a trade after a decade of winning while the team declines.”
No, no, no Peter. It was all Wilson ‘s fault dontcha know? There was only his decline. Team was fine.
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Qbs Mills and Mccoy agree with this
Watch Pocic go all pro now.
3 Trade Scenario’s listed by The Jet Press for DK Metcalf:
1) Jets send: #35 and #38 to Seattle for: DK Metcalf
2) Jets send: #10 to Seattle for: DK Metcalf and #40
3) Jets send: #35 (2nd), #69 (3rd), #117 (4th), and Denzel Mims to Seattle for: DK Metcalf
I have no idea why #3 would be proposed or something the Hawks would entertain, but I would do cartwheels if we landed #2!
Hawks could land a 2nd elite talent in this draft to build up the Defense OR it would allow them to trade down with the #10 pick and add additional draft picks in the 2nd / 3rd. Sign me up!
One thing I’ve realised this year is fan run website are f-ing useless at projecting trades
this year?
Sure, let’s trade 40 and DK for 10 so we can then trade 10 for say 42 and 67 (no idea if that’s possible). We ship a top production receiver and get as much as nothing in return. For me, no thanks.
I don’t think #2 makes any sense, why would we give up DK AND the 40th pick for the 10th pick. I would not accept that offer at all. Tyreek Hill just got traded for a 1st, a 2nd, 4th and. 6th in this years draft and a 4th and 6th in next years draft. He’s older and has more off the field issues. I can’t see accepting anything less. Granted the 10 is worth more than the 29th, but also not worth DK and the 40th pick.
Why would you take #10 to trade down to get another third?
The two high seconds seem more valuable.
On the nite of trading DK. We’re really talking about taking a player with a second rounder and netting one second rounder for him? I get the cash savings but damn that seems like a poor valuation for a player of his caliber.
I still think Pete draws a line in the sand on DK. He will pay him big money and be happy to do it.
He doesn’t want to see his last big star traded.
With luck and planning DK and Taylor might be the only spendy players on this team. That’s why I’m unsure of the desire to trade him for unknown talent.
The only way I can see Pete acquiescing to a trade is if it nets him an incredible haul and an opportunity to pick a great player that dropped in the draft.
Say a situation where they used their #9 pick on their first choice, but their very, very close second choice was still on the board and someone called and offered multiple picks, including one that would garner their close second choice.
I still don’t see that happening, though. But, draft day can be a glimpse into Bizzarro World, so who the hell knows?
Even with option 1 or 2 i feel it is not fair deal for Hawks. DK is worth more in my opinion based on recent two WR trade, DK is younger and cheaper atleast for year. I like the comparison of Adams trade by Cha should get more than 2, 2nd rounder this year.
These trade proposals for DK Metcalf are GARBAGE. As John McEnroe would say.
Jets send us the #10 pick. We give them DT and our # 40.
As John McEnroe would say. YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFIQ-1SUZnw
Miami traded 1st round, 2nd round, 4th round in this years draft and two picks next year for Tyreek Hill.
Enough said
I don’t blame Jets fans for thinking they can fleece the Seahawks again after the Sheldon Richardson and Jamal Adams trades
Jets already offered 35, 38, & 69 to KC for Hill & #103
Can’t see why we should expect a lesser trade for Metcalf.
35, 38, & 69 to KC for Metcalf & #109 would be very close.
So the Browns signed Pocic apparently.
Should increase the odds we draft a Center right?
[MySportsUpdate] The #Browns agreed to terms on a deal with former #Seahawks starting center Ethan Pocic. @Schultz_Report first on it.
https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1508797657585799193?t=9bqjCUa3t2NXuh46Iwg5cA&s=09
No way I would give up 40. Need always 2/3 picks to replenish the roster or what’s the point.
nice work
“— I think the Seahawks face a very difficult decision with D.K. Metcalf and whatever they decide to do will be criticised. I think the best thing fans can do is acknowledge there’s a strong case to sign him and trade him and not be too melodramatic when the decision comes.”
This is a smart take.
I would prefer they try to flip that asset into a pass rusher or Tackle, but if that’s not doable, I’m fine with paying up for him on a long term deal. My only reservations are health (didn’t he have a neck issue or is that put to rest now? ) and I’m still not convinced a Pete Carrol team (or any team really) needs an elite WR as much as it needs an elite T or Edge. Also it just seems like every off season there’s few good WRs on the FA market.
So if it’s possible to flip him into a different piece that’s my lean.
DK has totally put that behind him, he’s played every single game in three seasons.
Great stream as always Rob. I watched it live and it was getting late for me here in France at the end, so I couldn’t action my thoughts into finding a question, though I knew I had plenty. Now I’ve had time to reflect, this is what I would have asked if I’d had the wherewithall last night;
We’re high on Abraham Lucas here, and the NFL likely will be too. It doesn’t mean to say that he might not still be on the board at the back end of the first round. If this were the case, would you suggest the Seahawks use their 4th round pick to trade up the board as high as possible from #40 and pick him in the first round?
Corbin Smith is also high on Abraham Lucas, putting him in his Top 5 Seahawks targets for the draft. He also thinks he’s likely to go at the end of the first round. He said his interview with Lucas, was the most enjoyable one he had at the Combine.
I’d also have snuck in a sneeky 2nd question;
Do you think it might be wise for the Seahawks to select a Kicker with perhaps their 7th round pick in the draft? This would give Jason Myers, in his last year, some competition, and if Myers wasn’t significantly better in camp, cutting him would save $3 million on the salary cap.
I would be content moving up for Lucas. And I’m glad other people are now sharing a view on Lucas that we’ve had for months.
I haven’t studied the kickers in this draft to be honest so I can’t say if there’s a good one. It’s a very hard position to judge.
Best in the biz! Always ahead of the game on these players!
Rob,
Where are you at with Zach Tom now? Where do you see his fit on the line and what round would you take him?
I think he’s a R2 grade who goes R3
Center for me
Just getting a gauge on the Baker and Geno valuation
If Dalton’s worth 3 guaranteed, Geno ain’t worth more than 2 imo.
Anyone have an all injury/legal flag draft? With a long-term view, Hawks could take advantage of top talent sliding with a year of patience to get them on the field- much like they did with Taylor.
For instance, if they go CB in R1, do you take Ojabo at 40 if he’s there? Or Damone Clark in R5/6?
Add Adam Anderson from Georgia to that list. Top 5 DE imo, as far as upside. Crazy profile. Just needs to clear his legal issues first. Would probably need to use one of the 2nds if he’s clean.
Stingley at 9, Tindall at 40, Anderdon at 41, would create the ultimate hungry defense.
ESPN came out with an article comparing the top 7 QB’s by statistics on pressure, deep ball, accuracy, in/out of pocket, and out route accuracy.
I think this really emphasizes how many weaknesses Willis has in his game. He was not good under pressure, his deep ball accuracy was not great, and he was pretty bad in the pocket. His strengths were definitely being out of the pocket and out routes, which I do not believe is good enough to be a 1st round QB.
Linderbaum looks like the real deal. Sam gold did a good video on him.
Fits the scheme well, needs to get stronger but looks like his incredible mobility makes up for any length deficiencies.
I am forever scarred by Centers “who need to get stronger.” I don’t know how much longer we will go finesse at the position in a division full of dudes on the DL.
These trade proposals for DK Metcalf are GARBAGE. As John McEnroe would say.
Jets send us the #10 pick. We give them DT and our # 40.
As John McEnroe would say. YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFIQ-1SUZnw
Miami traded 1st round, 2nd round, 4th round in this years draft and two picks next year for Tyreek Hill.
Enough said
Tale of the tape:
Tyreek Hill: (average production per year)
79 catches. 1105 yards. 9.3 td’s
DK metcalf: (average production per year)
72 catches. 1056 yards. 9.6 td’s.
Turning fifth round pick Hill into a 1st, 2nd, and three more picks but thinking DK is worth either a single first or just one extra second from his valuation is ridiculous.
And DK is 4 years younger + clean off the field.
I don’t know about anyone else
But if there’s one topic that really will make me turn the radio or a podcast off, it’s continuing to debate the Wilson/Seahawks split
It’s done. We’ve been discussing it for over a year.
I really want to debate what’s next. What they’ll do in the draft, what they’ll do at tackle, the QB’s in the 2023 draft, team needs etc, DK’s future
That just seems so much more interesting
Agreed–enough already. Honestly I’d rather hear people talk about 7th round flyers before the Russ trade. Let the past be the past..
I bet the Venn diagram of those still grinding on it and those who kept telling us there was nothing to see is close to a perfect circle.
💯
After denial comes anger. That’ll take a while.
Then comes bargaining.
Then depression.
Then acceptance.
Most here have been in acceptance for over a year. It’s sad to see some stuck in anger.
All these folks are, just now, realizing that Russell isn’t (wasnt) happy and does (did) actually want to be traded. Shocking! All the things you’ve covered so brilliantly over the past year… another feather in your cap, Rob, being so far out in front of these guys.
Thanks Nathan
Hey Rob love your content on here been following you for years now and I feel I always have a grasp on what the Seahawks are doing because of your hard work. I have one question and it’s what do you think about Jalen Pitre? and do you think the Seahawks could convert him in to a CB?
I’m assuming the delay in signing Geno is waiting to see if they can get Baker for next to nothing meaning Lock becomes the backup and Eason the PS guy.
Based on what Carroll said today, I think it’s more a case of Geno pissing around wanting more money. Carroll gave quite a warning today for him not to miss this opportunity. And Carroll then said they wanted a fourth QB.
Well if he’s not bullshitting and they do want a 4th then I get it.
“If you don’t sign with us we will bring in Sean Mannion!”
I literally LOL’d. Good one man.
Maybe talking him up when he’s not on the roster wasn’t the best negotiating strategy.
PC on a Metcalf extension:
So apparently they haven’t even started negotiations with DK yet.
As you said above, the dreaded “intend” in that statement.
Next month and 2 days gonna be damned interesting.
If he isn’t signed by Day 1 of the draft, it could get very, very interesting as certain players Pete and John are interested in start sliding down the board. I will definitely be paying extra attention the ENTIRETY of Day 1 if that happens.
Imagine them getting an EDGE, and another top player slides and slides, all after DK’s agent has been stonewalling them in the lead up to April 28th.
Not surprised. They’ve got to get two tackles first
James Bradberry is expected to be traded for a mid round pick. Would he be a good draft hedge? He would eat up alot of the remaining cap space, but reports indicate the NYG as willing to cover some of his 13M cap hit? I’m not sure if he is a good in man coverage to play in Desai’s defense scheme. Thoughts?
Not sure if anyone has posted Pete’s presser from earlier today, here it is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2in2AZ-kgBM
Bucky Brooks just mocked Devin Lloyd to Seattle at 9.
The only thing I find humorous about that, is in Bucky’s last mock pre-RW, at #9 he mocked, to the Denver Broncos…Devin Lloyd.
I hope you got a nice glass of wine with that steak dinner on Lloyd’s agent’s tab, Bucky.
That tells me he is open to hear offers.
Rob. If you had your choice between Johnson and Walker, who do you take?
Either