Updated first round mock draft — 10th November

For more on the Seahawks pick, the mock draft and general NFL/NFL Draft thoughts — check out this weeks podcast…

Picks 1-10

1 Detroit Lions — Joey Bosa (DE, Ohio State)
2 Cleveland Browns — Robert Nkemdiche (DE, Ole Miss)
3 Jacksonville Jaguars — Shon Coleman (T, Auburn)
4 Tennessee Titans — Corey Coleman (WR, Baylor)
5 San Diego Chargers — Laremy Tunsil (T, Ole Miss)
6 Baltimore Ravens — Tre’Davious White (CB, LSU)
7 Dallas Cowboys — Jaylon Smith (LB, Notre Dame)
8 Chicago Bears — Cameron Sutton (CB, Tennessee)
9 San Francisco 49ers — Paxton Lynch (QB, Memphis)
10 Tampa Bay Buccaneers — DeForest Buckner (DE, Oregon)

After watching Shon Coleman shut down Texas A&M’s brilliant Myles Garrett — there’s no reason not to make him the #1 offensive tackle prospect in this class. He’s the perfect compliment of attitude, athleticism and size. He loves to get to the second level and punish linebackers. He can mirror and kick slide well enough to play the blindside. People aren’t talking about him but don’t be surprised if he has a Greg Robinson, Lane Johnson, Eric Fisher, Ereck Flowers style rise.

Corey Coleman should be in the top ten of every mock draft you read. He probably should be leading the Heisman race. Incredible production is only part of the story. He will destroy the combine with eye-catching athleticism. He’ll take the ball away in contested situations, he’ll get downfield. He’s terrific in space. There’s no reason why he won’t be productive early in his pro-career. He could be the best offensive player in the class.

Paxton Lynch could’ve gone to the Browns at #2 but in this projection I have them waiting until the early second round for a quarterback. DeForest Buckner isn’t a fantastic, elite athlete but his play warrants an early first round grade.

Picks 11-20

11 Miami Dolphins — Eli Apple (CB, Ohio State)
12 Houston Texans — Jaylen Ramsey (CB/S, Florida State)
13 Washington — Laquon Treadwell (WR, Ole Miss)
14 Kansas City Chiefs — Taylor Decker (T, Ohio State)
15 New Orleans Saints — Michael Thomas (WR, Ohio State)
16 Philadelphia Eagles — Jack Conklin (T, Michigan State)
17 Oakland Raiders — A’Shawn Robinson (DT, Alabama)
18 St. Louis Rams — Kendall Fuller (CB, Virginia Tech)
19 Seattle Seahawks — Myles Jack (LB, UCLA)
20 Buffalo — Reggie Ragland (LB, Alabama)

Why are the Seahawks drafting a linebacker?

In this projection Shon Coleman, Laremy Tunsil, Taylor Decker and Jack Conklin are off the board. This represents the possible dilemma facing the Seahawks if they intend to go offensive line early in this draft. It’s still too early to determine who will or won’t be there if they pick even this late in round one (#19) — but there is such a crisis in the NFL with a dearth of good, young O-liners. The ones that are available will go quickly. The Seahawks, even in a scenario where they don’t make the playoffs, could be met with a situation where they either have to force a pick or look elsewhere.

Taking Ronnie Stanley or Germain Ifedi would be forcing the pick. Stanley’s play is too hit and miss. He looks assured and technically adept against USC and then sluggish and lazy against Temple. Unlike Coleman and Tunsil he doesn’t look to get to the second level. His footwork can be poor. You want to light a fire under him he’s so passive. He will likely go early because of the NFL’s need for linemen — but don’t be shocked if he drops into round two either. Ifedi meanwhile has not looked particularly great at right tackle this season. He has the size to move inside at the next level. That’s fine. But to me he looks like a James Carpenter type.

In the brilliant Real in the Field Gulls podcast last week with Danny O’Neil we heard about the possibility of Garry Gilliam moving to left tackle to replace Russell Okung. If you think about it, Gilliam has the athletic profile to make it work. And unlike some of these first round picks, he’ll have a year starting in the NFL under his belt. If you’re going to have to go through the growing pains with a rookie anyway — you can see the thought process here. Whether you believe Gilliam is good enough to make the transition — that’s a different story.

If Gilliam moves to the left you need a right tackle and possible a center (Justin Britt has actually improved considerably in recent games at left guard). If you’re not paying Okung can you lure Alex Mack to Seattle if he voids his contract? Can you add a veteran right tackle? These are all possibilities that theoretically enable some flexibility in the first round.

I went with Myles Jack because of the athleticism and versatility he’s shown at UCLA, the likelihood of Bruce Irvin departing and the opportunity provided due to Jack’s knee injury. He likely goes a little earlier without the injury. If the Seahawks do miss the playoffs and pick at #19 — they might see it as a bonus opportunity to get a genuine top-20 talent.

And now that I’ve spent the last few para’s trying to convince you they might not go O-line early next year… I still think it’s incredibly likely that’s exactly what they’ll do. But hey — it’s November and a bye week. We need something to discuss.

Picks 21-32

21 Indianapolis Colts — Ronnie Stanley (T, Notre Dame)
22 New York Giants — Darron Lee (LB, Ohio State)
23 Pittsburgh Steelers — Mackensie Alexander (CB, Clemson)
24 New York Jets — Germain Ifedi (T/G, Texas A&M)
25 Atlanta — Jonathan Bullard (DT/DE, Florida)
26 Green Bay — De’Runnya Wilson (WR, Mississippi State)
27 Arizona — Ezekiel Elliott (RB, Ohio State)
28 Minnesota — Adolphus Washington (DT/DE, Ohio State)
29 Denver — Jared Goff (QB, California)
30 Cincinnati — Tyler Boyd (WR, Pittsburgh)
31 Carolina — Shaq Lawson (DE, Clemson)

There’s every chance I’ll move Ronnie Stanley out of the first round again. For now he survives, just, due to the demand for OT’s in the NFL. Mackensie Alexander has impressed enough recently to warrant some attention in round one — adding to a talented cornerback class. De’Runnya Wilson is a poor man’s Kelvin Benjamin and could go in a similar range.


  1. RealRhino2

    Fun game:

    First, which of the guys Rob has AFTER the Seahawks pick at 19 would you switch out in place of Jack? For me, it’s Ezekiel Elliott. He’s Emmitt Smith for me.

    Second, which guys Rob has going BEFORE the Seahawks pick at 19 would you most want to see fall to us?

    Third, who are the guys Rob has going BEFORE the Seahawks pick at 19 would you still not take even if they were there at 19?

    • Ed

      1. Lawson
      2. Ramsey/Coleman
      3. Fuller

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        Ed… I agree, Fuller would be incredibly intriguing for Seattle to grab. I think they will continue with the later round CB/S selections however. Of course, Elliot will be a nice get, but I think he will go earlier than some think. This year is weak in QBs, so 2 will go high, but there won’t be as many reaches… causing better prospects to fall down the draft board.

        I’m a big fan of DT/DE Adolphus Washington. Seattle needs a big DT, he would fit that spot nicely.

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      1. I wouldn’t. Miles Jack would be a home run pick. He’s a playmaker plain and simple. BUT if I had to, it would be Jonathan Bullard.

      2. Shon Coleman. Or Laremy Tunsil. Coleman is the better player, but Tunsil has a higher ceiling.

      3. Lynch or Conklin. SEA doesn’t need Lynch, and I don’t see a pro LT in Conklin.

      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        Let’s say Seattle doesn’t resign Irvin… would Jack be a upgrade, downgrade or sidegrade at LB if he were selected by them?

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Different kind of player. Irvin is much bigger and can play DE/LEO as well as SAM.

          Jack is more like Ryan Shazier. I suspect that if SEA drafted Jack, they’d line him up at WILL and move Wright over to SAM.

          That’d be a heck of a LB corps – Wright-Wags-Jack

          • Volume12

            IDK. That would be tough to move KJ. He’s been Seattle’s best LB this year. Would they mess with that?

            Guys like Jack, Striker, KPL, Shazier all have the attributes of a SAM, except for size and the ability to rush with their hand in the dirt.

            Nothing wrong with guys like that at SAM, they just wouldn’t rush from the DE spot.

            • Volume12

              As you pointed out, Bruce isn’t really a SAM. That confuses people. He’s an OTTO.

              • CHawk Talker Eric

                Didn’t KJ line up at SAM in ’13?

                Striker is an interesting comp to Jack – similar size/build but a horse of a different color. More one dimensional in that he’s primarily a pass rush specialist. Kind of like what Irvin was coming out of WV.

                Irvin is a pretty unique player. Not many guys can play in space AND stick his hand in the dirt.

                • Volume12

                  KJ can absolutely line up at SAM. No argument there.

                  My question is, would Seattle want to move him outta that WILLL spot whete he’s been so effective?

                  You hit the nail on the head. Bruce is so unique and so dynamic, that peope have this misconception that every SAM ‘backer has to play like does. It ain’t that simple.

                  • CHawk Talker Eric

                    Just playing more Jack hypotheticals, would they consider playing him at MIKE and moving Wags to WILL? Wags is easily the quickest LB on the roster (one of the quickest in the entire League).

                  • Volume12

                    Ehhh. Maybe? Not a bad ‘hypo.’

                    I just think with more and more teams trying to speed the game up, spread defenses out, keep defenses from subsituting/rotating personnel, it makes a ton of sense to go with guys built luke Jack at SAM.

                    They can rush the passer, play the run, cover TEs and slot receivers, make plays in space, etc.

                    Now, if you can find these bigger built LBs like KJ or a Bruce Irvin, even better. But their few and far between from the college ranks these days.

                  • CHawk Talker Eric

                    That’s what makes Kuechly so unique. Size AND speed AND smarts.

                  • Volume12

                    Yes sir. Good example.

                    Defensive MVP this year IMO.

      • C-Dog

        I’m with you on Point #1. Love Jack, but would rather take Bullard.

  2. nichansen01

    Isn’t Darron Lee a sophomore

    • Rob Staton

      He is draft eligible. Expect an exodus at Ohio State.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Good call. Something’s not quite right in Columbus.

        • Volume12

          Now Jalin Marshall might declare too?


      • CharlieTheUnicorn

        if your draft stock is rising… need to cash in while you can!

  3. DC

    I watched my first college game of the season on Saturday, Alabama vs LSU.
    Holy hell that Bama D line was dominant. I couldn’t single out one from the other and dug deeper after the game. Rob I know you’ve stated you would only choose a DT for the Hawks who was epic. So my question, how good is A’Shawn Robinson? If he was there at 19 how close would you be to pulling the trigger?

    I always love the idea of adding one more dominant, interior pass rusher to the DL rotation as it is.

    He will probably end up on the Rams, lol, but not really lol.

    • nichansen01

      Jarran Rees, Robinsons teammate, is one to watch out for in rounds 2 and 3. A great d tackle overshadowed by the greatness of the guy he plays next to.

      • nichansen01


    • Rob Staton

      Robinson was insanely good on Saturday. Would have to be considered by anyone in the top 20. He could be another Dareus based on that performance. Excellent player but needs to finish the season in that form.

  4. nichansen01

    I want to post a WTE (way to early) big board for the first two rounds. Please tell me what you guys think.

    1. Joey Bosa, DE/DT, Ohio State
    2. Robert Nkemdiche, DE/DT, Ole Miss
    3. Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
    4. Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor
    5. Shon Coleman, OT, Auburn
    6. Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
    7. TreDavious White, CB, LSU
    8. Jalen Smith, LB, Notre Dame
    9. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
    10. AShawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
    11. Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
    12. Cameron Sutton, CB, Tennessee
    13. Jalen Ramsey, CB, Florida State
    14. Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama
    15. Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State
    16. Deforest Buckner, DE Oregon
    17. Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State
    18. Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
    19. Tyler Boyd, WR, Pitt
    20. Shaq Lawson, DE Clemson
    21. Vernon Hargreaves, CB Florida
    22. Andrew Billings, DT Baylor
    23. Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
    24. Darron Lee, LB, Clemson
    25. Myles Jack, LB, UCLA
    26. Adolphus Washington, DT,
    27. Ezekiel Elliot, RB – Ohio State
    28. Derunnya Wilson WR – Mississippi State
    29. Jared Goff, QB, Cal
    30. Germaine Ifedi, OT, Texas AM
    31. Ronnie Stanley, OT, Notre Dame
    32. Vadal Alexander, OG, LSU
    33. Sua Cravens , S, USC
    34. Laraven Clark, OT, Texas Tech
    35. Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State
    36. Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana
    37. Christian Hackenberg, QB, Penn State
    38. Davontea Booker, RB, Utah
    39. Pat Elfein, OG, Ohio State
    40. Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama
    41. Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA
    42. Eric Striker, LB, Oklahoma
    43. Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, Oklahoma State
    44. Braxton Miller, WR Ohio State
    45. Jayron Kearse, S, Clemson
    46. Max Tuerk, C, USC
    47. Josh Garnett, OG, Stanford
    48. Jonathon Bullard, DT, Florida
    49. Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
    50. Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State
    51. Nate Andrews, S, Florida
    52. Alex Collins, RB, Arkansas
    53. Tony Conner, CB/S, Ole miss
    54. Carl Nassib, DE, Penn State
    55. Scooby Wright, LB, Arizona
    56. Nick Martin, C, Notre Dame
    57. Leonard Floyd, LB, Georgia
    58. Spencer Drango, OT, Baylor
    59. Yannick Ngakoue, OLB/DE, Maryland
    60. Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame
    61. Paul Perkins, RB, UCLA
    62. Demarcus Robinson, WR, Florida
    63. Hassan Ridgeway, DT, Texas

    Concerning rob’s latest mock, if Myles Jack does fall into Seattles lap, the next three rounds could pan out as:

    2. Alex Collins, RB Arkansas. The line is figured out except at center and the Hawks get a chance to add an explosive feature back in Collins, Collins is incredibly speedy and elusive but is also good at breaking tackles (no Derrick Henry). Halfway through round 2 Booker is gone but Collins is a very appealing option at running back.

    3. Jack Allen, Center, Michigan State. The Hawks figure out center with a third round draft pick. Allen is a five year starter and solidifies a position that has been in turmoil for the Hawks over the past two seasons.

    3c. The defensive interior struggled getting much of a ” push” last two season up the middle. The Seahawks address this by moving Frank Clark to more of a full time defensive tackle and drafting Anyhony Zettel at the end of the third round. Zettel provided a push that allowed Carl Nassib to lead the nation in sacks. Mebane might not be resigned, but the front office shores up the defensive tackle position by resigning Rubin. Jesse Williams could finish his recovery and finally play in a rotational role at tackle next year as well. Anyhow, DT heading into 2016 looks like the strong group of Zettel, Hill, Rubin and Clark with Williams potentially rotating in.

    4. Seahawks finally address the tackle position with the pick of Willie Beaver, offensive tackle out of Western Michigan. Beaver looks to compete with Terry Poole and whichever free agent the Hawks bring in to play right tackle.

    This Seattle mock reflects what the draft outlook for Seattle would be if the Hawks really try to shore up the tackle positions before the draft, knowing Coleman and decker will be out of reach of where they pick but the value isn’t right for Ifedi or Stanley.

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      I actually watched some of the last game Henry played in…… the knock of him not running through contact was not apparent to me. I watched a guy with explosive speed and decisive cut ability. His feet were outstanding I thought. He never seemed terribly off balance and always fell forward. He also seemed to be adequate at pass protection. He is a large man, not in the typical Seattle RB mold… but I could see why some teams would love him.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Here’s video of Henry squatting 500lbs. Keep in mind he’s 6’3″.


        The LSU-Bama game demonstrated the impact that winning the LOS has on a RB’s performance. Fournette is the best RB in CFB and his OL couldn’t block any Bama defender, let alone any DL. It was a massacre. On the flip side, Bama’s OL were opening up big seams for Henry to exploit.

        Can Henry be another Eddie George or even Eric Dickerson?

        • Volume12

          Henry is a ‘planet player.’ Meaning, only so many guys on the planet are built like him.

          He’s unique IMO. His size and stature, but runs more like a scat back or speed back.

          With that being said, one guy that’s moved up in my C rankings is ‘Bama’s Ryan Kelly.

          • CHawk Talker Eric

            It’s a remarkably deep draft for C.

        • Rob Staton

          Henry’s success or failure IMO is purely down to the team that drafts him. If he lands with the Cowboys, watch out. In Seattle he’d be a busted flush in a one cut ZBS.

          • CHawk Talker Eric

            DAL, CHI, NEP, NYJ, OAK…

      • Rob Staton

        There were several instances against LSU where he went down on first contact. Long legs, big target an issue. Not squatty and an upright runner. Will be an issue for him at next level. More of a Shaun Alexander than a typical big back.

        • CharlieTheUnicorn

          These might be true points, but there was a 3 year stretch that Alexander was one of the best RBs in the game. If you can get 3-5 years out of a guy, I would call that a success in the modern NFL.

          • Rob Staton

            Sure, but Alexander benefitted from an elite offensive line containing first ballot HOFer Walter Jones and Steve Hutchinson. He was kept clean on many of his runs and he had the skill set, vision and ability to avoid tackles at the second level to exploit it.

            That’s why I suggest the Cowboys would be an ideal fit for Derrick Henry. They keep their backs clean on a lot of their runs. It’d be scary watching Henry run behind that line where he isn’t being asked to fight for extra yardage or run the ZBS. In Seattle it’d be an awful fit IMO. Not only because he’s not the type of back Pete Carroll has typically gone for, but also because the one-cut style, aggressive, tough to bring down runner isn’t Henry. I suspect it’d be painful to watch him in Seattle.

    • cover-2

      For me LB Reggie Ragland is not a 1st round talent. He doesn’t have the range to be a starting MLB on a 4-3 defense. Maybe a good MLB for a 3-4 defense. When Alabama was in the dime defense Ragland wasn’t the one LB on the field, it was his more athletic/faster teammate LB Reuben Foster. That’s the one big change i would make to your ranking.

      You are spot on with Jaylon Smith at #8!

      • Volume12

        Reuben Foster is a stud! Even some of ‘Bama’s backups/rotational guys on the D-line are NFL prospects.

        DL DJ Petteway is a guy I actually like quite a bit.

        • CharlieTheUnicorn

          What I do not like about Alabama prospects, they all tend to have some injuries that linger into their professional careers or they break down after a few seasons in NFL. That would be my concern with any prospect from Alabama, you might not get a guy more than the initial contract due to injury risk.

  5. Volume12

    Rob, do you think the fact that Tennessee CB Cam Sutton is prone to blackouts will affect his draft stock?

  6. MJ

    Great stuff Rob! Funny enough, I was actually thinking of this scenario the other day. Jack kind of screams a Seahawks pick and I do think you are right about reaching on an OL. I know we desperately need OL help, but it makes no sense drafting the 50th best player at 19, just to force a need. Conversely, you are probably getting a top 10 talent at 19 with Myles Jack.

    Here’s the one thing about Jack that gives me pause; what are the chances he is Shaq Thompson? What I mean, is that Shaq had the reputation of being an absurd athlete, but tested quite average across the board. It doesn’t diminish the playmaking ability, but we do know the Seahawks propensity to find the best athlete. If Jack runs a 4.65 and posts middling VJ/BJ, I think the Seahawks would pass on him and go after someone like Shaq Lawson, maybe even Sua Cravens (LB/S hybrid).

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Jack ran a 4.5 at Bellevue High. I expect he’d be at least as fast come Combine time.

      • nichansen01

        How did I not know until now that Myles Jack went to Bellevue high!

        • CHawk Talker Eric

          Right?! Bring Jack back!!

          • Volume12

            I’ll be shocked if Shaq Lawson is a better athlete than Myles Jack.

            We got a better, more athletic version of Shaq in Frank Clark anyways.

            • CHawk Talker Eric

              Clark is certainly more versatile.

              • Volume12

                Shaq’s gonna make his money as a penetrating, run stuffer. The numbers Frank put up at the combine, at his size will be tough to beat.

                • nichansen01

                  Volume12, what do you think of Anthony Zettel and where do you think he’ll go? Will he be available near the end of the third?

                  • Volume12

                    Yeah. He’s a 3rd-4th rounder. Maybe even 4th.

                    I like him. Great motor, strong, versatile, passionate, said to be able to do some freaky things athletcally.

                    Reminds me of an interior version of Cash Marsh.

                  • CHawk Talker Eric

                    2 position groups that are deep in this draft – C and DT. Probably could add RB to that list.

                    Plenty of good prospects should be available from late Day 2 on.

                  • Volume12

                    I’m pretty high on a guy I believe you like too.

                    Penn St DL Carl Nassib. Very ‘Seahawky’ looking kind of prospect. His combine will be huge. Plays with much pad level/leverage than say, Baylor DL Shawn Oakman.

                    If Nassib tests well come February, his frame could easily carry 10-12 more pounds. Move him inside and watch out.

                  • Volume12

                    Add CB to that list as well.

                    It’s a deep draft, but doesn’t have the premier talent that 2017 appears to have. Could be a historically good class.

                    Some really good looking DT prospects on day 2 and 3. Not so much day 1.

                  • Volume12

                    Speaking of day 3 defensive tackles, what about USC’s Antwaun Woods?

                    IDk if he plays like it, but dude looks like Brandon Mebane 2.0

                  • CHawk Talker Eric

                    Woods is a gap plugging NT. Not really a penetrator. He’s solid though, worth a R6 pick.

      • MJ

        I would take a HS 40 time with a grain of salt. Shaq was also a 4.4-4.5 guy until he wasn’t. I’m just saying; it wouldn’t shock me if he is more Shaq Thompson than he is KPL (athletically).

        Jack is an outstanding player btw. Not denigrating his on field talent.

  7. CHawk Talker Eric

    From PFF:

    It’s hard to blame Fournette for not having a big game against the Tide defense. 30 of those 31 yards came after contact – just one sign of how dominant Bama was up front.

    • Volume12

      Hey, did you see Seattle sign TE Harold Spears to the PS? Odds are he probably won’t be an active roster, contributing kind of guy, but I found it ironic, considering me and you both liked this guy and had him as an UDFA in our mock drafts last draft season.

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        I saw they worked him out, but not that he was signed to the PS. I like it. IMO Spears > RaShaun Allen.

  8. CHawk Talker Eric

    Where does Duke S Jermey Cash slot in the Big Board? At 6’2″ 215lbs he’s a SS/LB tweener who excels in run support and pass rushing.

    • Volume12

      He’s a guy that’s probably a WILL at the next level, if he doesn’t stay at SS.

      Terrific looking prospect. Big, intense, quick, playmaker.

      Early 2nd rounder?

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Much is being made of STL moving Barron to WILL or WILL/SS hybrid. What do they call that? SPUR? I think UNM called it the LOBO when Urlacher played there.

  9. smitty1547

    all this talk about a deep draft and OL and DL players available in the middle of the draft already has me fearful that we will move back and get cute yet again.

    • Volume12

      What do you mean?

      • smitty1547

        Trade back in the first round to pick up more picks, seems like there is a lot of talent in the first half of round one and in the middle rounds but maybe not so deep at the end of round one.

  10. Tien

    Great read Rob! Quick question regarding your projection of Goff to Denver, was it because you think that Osweiler is not really a franchise QB or did you think that Goff at 29 is too good of a value to pass up?

    • Rob Staton

      Osweiler is a free agent so might be a gonner. I think there are similarities between the two and they clearly liked Osweiler. If he moves on, Goff could be an option.

      • Tien

        Got it…thanks!

  11. rowdy

    I’ve been thinking LB could be the pick for some time now, much like I thought DE could be are first pick last year. Not the biggest need but still a big need with the Irvin situation and the talent in the bigger need spots being picked over by are pick. Although I think will make the playoffs and both positions will be picked over and a reach will probably come into play just like every other year. If we pick late in the draft, RB or trade down could be likely too. I don’t see Lynch playing next year because his 12 million will be needed elsewhere and he doesn’t look like he’ll be able to play at that contract level next year. We could see big changes next year, not in the number of players but with players that 5he system is built for.

    • Ed

      Agreed. Critical do/don’t decisions.

      Do/Don’t (UFA)


      I would like to see Irvin/Shead/Tukuafu resigned. Not signing the others saves 24 million. Let Lynch and Williams go saves another 9 million. Graham has no dead money next year, so if they can’t figure a way to change his role and don’t want to spend 9 million, that could be used other places as well (I would prefer to keep him and adjust the offense more).

      That’s 33 million (not including Graham).

      • Tien

        If Okung stays relatively healthy the rest of the season and is willing to re-sign for around $10 or $11 million/year, I think we need to do it. Lynch is still playing well so the $12 million next year is worth it for the Hawks to retain their identity as a run first team. I like Irvin a lot but he will be more easily replaced through the draft than a starting LT or stud RB.

        • AlaskaHawk

          I want to see how Okung and Lynch finish the season before making that call. They have both already suffered injuries this season. Their health will only get worse. Paying 10 to 12 million on a multi year contract is a big committment to a player. It should be reserved for elite players who are healthy.

          I won’t say that they are easily replaceable, but Rawls in his limited time has already had more yards in a game then Lynch. So he is definitely in the running to be the Seahawks back of the future. Add one more back and they have a one two punch.

          Okung will be hard to replace, but considering his health I think it has to be considered. If he looks elite during the second half of the season then I would be willing to give him 8 million per year. If that doesn’t work then the Seahawks can try moving Gilliam and they can try resigning a few veterans. Maybe Giacommino will be available next summer.

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      I’m leaning towards LB as well… maybe someone who can play DE a bit, but not every down.
      I’m thinking this might be where Seattle needs to invest early in the draft.

      Someone above mentioned a LB/SS type of player. This would be a insurance for BAM BAM and fill a need for depth at LB from the outset. I’m not saying S Jermey Cash outright, but that type of player. A player with scheme flexibility, similar to how Buchanan is being utilized by the “hated” Cardinals.

      Previously mentioned prospect Jermey Cash, S, Duke (size/speed combo) or
      Josh Harvey-Clemons, S, Louisville (very nice size/speed combo) or
      Denzel Nkemdiche, S/OLB, Ole Miss (if the off the field stuff checks out) or even
      Derrick Moncrief, S, Auburn (nice size/ bit slow / experience playing a lot of man to man in CFB)

      • CHawk Talker Eric

        Add Kevin Pierre-Louis SS CO ST

        • Volume12

          LSU OLB Deion Jones-6’1, 228 lbs., 4.53 40 yd dash.

          He can blitz, cover, one of the best STs players in the country, fluid, and also kicks outside to CB on occasion.

          Said to be extremely upbeat, highly active, never comes off the field due to his versatility, scouts say the 1st thing you notice about him on film is his speed.

          Potential top 100 pick. Keep an eye on him.

          • red

            yep first year starter at LSU

  12. CHawk Talker Eric

    It probably won’t change any draft boards, but ND WR Will Fuller intends to remain in college for his senior season.

  13. CharlieTheUnicorn

    I keep thinking one of these two would be an excellent fit on the Seahawks. I like that both have experience in playing inside or outside LB. Will both be available when Seattle picks, who knows. But I think at least one makes it to them where ever they pick in the later 1st round.

    Early in draft
    Jaylon Smith, OLB/ILB, Notre Dame (my personal preference if available)
    Myles Jack, OLB, UCLA

    Later in draft
    Kyler Fackrell, OLB, Utah State
    Terrance Smith, OLB/ILB, Florida State (I think he is a 2017 eligible prospect however, my fav later round LB if available)

  14. Volume12

    reW. Michigan OL Willie Beavers looks like he hurt himself tonight. Hope he’s alright. Way too many injuries to some really good prospects this year. Hate to see that.

    BTW, W. Michigan WR Corey Davis is a nice looking target with size and + running blocking. Has that gritty backstory so many Seahawks have as well.

  15. Miles


    Speak of Myles Jack, the Seahawks are more in need to an explosive runningback than an outside linebacker. I haven’t heard much of teams considering Jack at runningback. Why not and do you think it is wise to consider him only at OLB?

    I feel that we have options at OLB, and spending a first round pick on one could be highly inefficient. We already have prospective ones on the roster for cheap like KPL and Cassius Marsh. Plus we have had success finding them later in the draft. Even if Jack is a special OLB, why make that investment at a position that seems to be in infinite supply for the Seahawks all of the time?

    • Volume12

      Doesn’t fit Seattle’s ‘specs’ for a RB, has an extremely small sampe size or tape at the position, and he was used there purely to take advantage of his athletcism and playmaking abilities. Just like Shaq Thompson was at Udub.

      It seems like Seattle is looking for a LB in the mold of a Myles Jack like prospect when you consider all the guys they’ve tried out this season. LB’s Horace Miller, Matt Wells, Dontay Moch, and 2-3 others.

      I really like KPL, but he hasn’t shown muh more other than being a quality backup and STs player. He’s always hurt or banged up too. Marsh seems to be better equipped as a DE, rather than a run and chase, drop into coverage kind of LB.

    • Rob Staton

      I think it’s fair to say Cassius Marsh is very much a DE. KPL can replace Irvin — but he didn’t look good at all against Carolina. I suspect they go OL in round one but wanted to consider something different. As for Jack as a running back — it worked in college but can’t see it at the next level.

  16. Volume12

    Since Seattle made a rare move by giving DB DeShawn Shead a $25K bonus, is that perhaps an indication that he’s in their long term plans?

    FWIW, I met him and WR Ricardo Lockette at a camp a couple years back. 2 of the nicest, most down to earth dudes I’ve ever encountered. I can see why this team, coaching staff, and FO value these 2.

  17. Volume12

    Anyone have anything on this RB from Houston, Kenneth Farrow-5’10, 220?

    Rob, have you ever checked out Houston corner William Jackson?

    • Rob Staton

      I have not.

      • Volume12

        Well, I answered my own question about RB Kenneth Farrow. He’s a stud. Team leader/team captain, very vocal, runs with power and authority, one cut type, good breakaway speed, huge thighs, and fantastic production. This guy is all heart and passion man.

        He’s on my radar. I could see Seattle really liking this guy.

        • Volume12

          Who’s Seattle liking on this Memphis team?

          • Volume12

            Looking through my notes, and I notice Seattle has scouted Memphis twice, N’western and Navy once. Then I realize they all have 3 of the most highly regarded FB’s in CFB. IDK ifthere’s any correlation, but I found it interesting nonetheless.

            • cover-2

              Volume12 – Good call on the Seahawks possibly scouting Memphis FB. Alan Cross is a TE/FB for Memphis who doesn’t look like much physically, but he looks like a very good blocker and he has the record for the most receiving TD’s for a TE at Memphis.

              • Volume12

                Not only that, but dude is crazy intense. I’m talking like Brian Cushing on ‘roids intense.

                Last year during Memphis’s bowl game, the guy head-butted his teammate without his helmet. Had blood running down his face, and the look he had said ‘I want me some more.’

  18. Steele

    It is obvious that o-line is the priority. At the same time, the pass rush could be a problem unless they keep Irvin, and I hope they do. Bennett is a goner, so that is another pass rusher gone. I don’t think CB is at all secure with Cary Williams, and the slot is still an issue as well. So if an o-lineman is not there, I would look at other positions besides LB. I am neutral about a guy like Myles Jack.

    I would, however, not mind them dropping down to take Ezekiel Elliott. He could come in as the back of the future, Lynch’s true heir apparent.

    With the need for starting talent, I don’t suppose many of you are in love with the thought of trading down. Under this scenario, why not.

    • Volume12

      What’s Bennett gonna do, threaten to sit out and then show up?

      Ya ain’t releasing a team leader and one of the best D-lineman in the game to save a few bucks.

      No rookie pass rusher or FA is gonna give them anything close to what Bennett does.

    • Rob Staton

      Bennett’s a goner? He’s under contract until the end of the 2017 season. And he’s one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. He isn’t going anywhere.

      All under contract: Bennett, Avril, Clark, Marsh. I can’t see edge rush being a priority.

  19. cover-2

    I good with Myles Jack, I think he is a more natural and instinctive LB than Irvin will ever be. Jack is great in coverage and IMO he could play SS if he was willing to make the switch.

  20. CHawk Talker Eric

    This list was updated yesterday (11/12):


    Shon Coleman isn’t on it. SMH

  21. CHawk Talker Eric

    I watched some of BG v WMU the other night. Missed seeing Willie Beavers. Like V12, I thought Corey Davis stood out a bit.

    Anyway, the reason for my comment is – any thoughts on BG QB Matt Johnson? He’s putting up some impressive numbers this season.

    • Volume12

      Johnson is getting no love.

      Keep an eye on BG WR Roger Lewis too.

  22. CHawk Talker Eric

    SEA gave Ricardo Lockette a $25k bonus this week. Just like they did with Shead.

    • Miles

      That’s so cool. Those guys deserve it big time, especially Lockette for putting his body on the line and coming this close to disaster. And then after that he has the selflessness to go hand out cheeseburgers to the homeless. What a guy.

      I didn’t want to be too vocal about this thought on Twitter; Hopefully Kam can see now how bonuses are earned on this team.

      • Volume12

        Nice. 2 of my favorite, more under-appreciated Seahawks.

        Believe me, these 2 guys are class acts.

  23. Madmark

    I’m still in for Jake Conklin at the left tackle spot. He’s not flashy by any means but he does a nice job in the run game. He may not even be in the draft since he’s a junior. If he does enter the draft it might be the prefect time for Cable to get his hands on him because the kids has a very high ceiling in my opinion. I like Joe Dahl form WSU a move to inside either at guard or center would be a nice fit. Since he’s playing LT I think he is really under rated and would be a steal. I like to draft 3 OL for more talent to compete next year because I think we can see the writing on the wall that Lynch is slowing down. A OL that’s been together for a couple years could make up for the loss of Lynch in the future. The problem is that’s just not Seattles MO.

    • Miles

      I just want to say I don’t think Lynch is slowing down at all. He hasn’t been as productive but he’s looked just as good running the ball. And it doesn’t help that he’s playing behind a transitional O-Line.

      • Madmark

        Oh but he is slowing down because injuries are part of a players decline and he has missed more time this year and I just don’t think he’ll show up next and be as productive as he was the year we traded for him.

    • AlaskaHawk

      I agree with madmark that I would like to see Seahawks make a real effort to fix their offensive line woes. That means a high to mid round effort to find offensive linemen of the future.

      Not defensive converts. Especially not defense converting to center which has to be the most difficult position on the line. I hope Novak works out, but lets not repeat the expirement. And lets not blow a bunch of smoke about how no offensive linemen is worthy of a pick when there are offensive mid round picks making teams each year.

      Not passing up offensive linemen for a shiny toy that won’t be used much. I’ll include running backs in that category – already got two. No more smerf wide receivers – already got two.

      Give me a big offensive linemen and receivers that we can use. That will improve the offense for both running and passing.

      • Rob Staton

        “And lets not blow a bunch of smoke about how no offensive linemen is worthy of a pick when there are offensive mid round picks making teams each year.”

        And for every one of those, there’s a Justin Britt — taken via a massive reach in round two to fill a need just like you’re calling for here. It’s easy to say just identify the great O-liner and take them. Much harder to put it into practise. I think the Seahawks will go OL early next year, but if they pick in the late first and the value isn’t there, nobody should want them to make another mistake like Britt.

    • Volume12

      Conklin looks an OG to me. I see no foot speed, or lower body movement. It could be because he’s playing through an injury, but he looks top heavy and can’t seem to get his legs under him.

  24. Volume12

    If you guys get a chance check this out. The beginning and ending are hilarious!

    It’s the Seahawks doing their version of Jimmy Fallon’s ‘Late Night Superlatives.’


  25. seahawks509

    If Derrick Henry is there I expect Seattle to draft him in the first. Im also not sold on Elliot being a first rounder.

    • Rob Staton

      Just my view — but do not see Henry as a good fit for the Seahawks running style and wouldn’t expect him to be a target.

  26. Volume12

    Rob, I know your not a fan of his, nor am I, but do you put any stock into what BR’s Matt Miller says about NFL scouts at a game?

    “I also wrote that there are times when it’s interesting to note a high or low number of scouts for a game, or if a certain team has multiple scouts at the game. So, having covered my bases there, it was interesting to me that only five teams (Seattle, Denver, St. Louis, Miami and Carolina) were in attendance in Lincoln, and of those the Seahawks had two scouts watching the Michigan State vs. Nebraska game.”

    • CHawk Talker Eric

      Probably to see Allen, Conklin, Burbridge and Calhoun. Maybe MSU DT Joel Heath too.

      Also Maliek Collins, DT NEB.

      • Volume12

        Yeah, when I see their at a certain game, I’m writing down like 10-15 names overall. Including UDFA types, R-SO.’s, stud freshman, etc. Some of the games they scout, you know they’ll walk away disappointed or end up scratching names off their board or watchlist too.

        My question was, is two scouts at a game instead of say one, really that much more of an indication? Doesn’t seem like it to me. But, according to ‘draft guru’ Matt Miller it is.

        Out of the 30 VMAC pre-draft visits and the ones that don’t visit, but get drafted, I’d suspect about half of the names will come from these games their scouting.

    • Rob Staton

      I put no stock into scouts being at a game. It’s what they do. If a Seahawks scout is watching a football game I don’t automatically assume he’s watching a specific target. Heck, he might be watching a freshman with a view to the future. He might just be watching a game for general purposes. Could be anything.

      As for Matt Miller — I see he’s mocking LSU’s Jerald Hawkins in round one. A player I wouldn’t give a draftable grade to based on his performances this year. He banged the drum all year last year for Gerod Holliman as a first round prospect based on incredible interception production. He was hopeless on tape and went in the 7th round and didn’t even survive training camp with Pittsburgh. And lest we forget the ‘worst third round pick’ remark in 2012…

    • CharlieTheUnicorn

      Sometimes, scouts have time on their hands. They will take in games “for fun” and end up discovering a player they had not even considered. Perhaps the game was near another game they will be covering in a day or two….. because, you literally never know where you might find a potential NFL prospect.

      Someone mentioned scouting Freshman. I think this might be a more than likely in fact. It is never too early to put a set of eyes on a guy you really like… then track as they progress to the big-time their Jr or Sr year in CFB.

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