Firstly, these always seem to be different at the combine. For example, a year ago Adam Bisnowaty was measured as having 32 5/8 inch arms at the Senior Bowl. That was a red flag given his 6-6 height. At the combine, his arm length was measured at 33 7/8 inches. Quite a difference.
So while these measurements are interesting, the accuracy and usefulness is debatable.
Draft Bible has the data in full here in a useful format. I’m listing some key names:
Cornerbacks with +32 inch arms:
Chandon Sullivan (32 1/2)
D’Momtre Wade (32 5/8)
Levi Wallace (33 3/8)
Christian Campbell (32 1/2)
Jamarcus King (32 1/2)
Isaac Yiadom (32 1/4)
Marcus Davenport (DL, UTSA)
6-5, 259lbs
34 inch arms, 9 inch hands, 81 1/4 wingspan
Frank Ragnow (OL, Arkansas)
6-5, 307lbs
33 1/4 inch arms, 9 1/8 inch hands
Dallas Goedert (TE, South Dakota State)
6-4, 260lbs
33 7/8 inch arms, 10 1/8 inch hands
Ian Thomas (TE, Indiana)
6-3, 256lbs
33 1/8 inch arms, 9 5/8 inch hands
Marcell Ateman (WR, Oklahoma State)
6-4, 216lbs
33 5/8 inch arms, 9 inch hands
D.J. Chark (WR, LSU)
6-2, 196lbs
33 inch arms, 9 1/4 inch hands
James Washington (WR, Oklahoma State)
5-11, 210lbs
33 7/8 inch arms, 9 5/8 inch hands
Isaiah Wynn (G, Georgia)
6-2, 308lbs
33 1/8 inch arms, 8 1/2 inch hands
Shaquem Griffin (LB, UCF)
6-0, 223lbs
31 5/8 inch arms, 9 inch hands
Marquis Haynes (LB, Ole Miss)
6-2, 233lbs
33 inch arms, 9 7/8 inch hands
Micah Kiser (LB, Virginia)
6-0, 236lbs
31 7/8 inch arms, 9 1/4 inch hands
Darius Leonard (LB, South Carolina State)
6-2, 229lbs
34 1/8 inch arms, 10 3/8 inch hands
Uchenna Nwosu (LB, USC)
6-2, 245lbs
33 1/2 inch arms, 9 1/4 inch hands
Dorian O’Daniel (LB, Clemson)
6-0, 215lbs
31 1/8 inch arms, 9 3/8 inch hands
Quin Blanding (S, Virginia)
6-2, 209lbs
31 3/4 inch arms, 8 1/8 inch hands
M.J. Stewart (CB, North Carolina)
5-10, 198lbs
31 1/2 inch arms, 9 3/8 inch hands
Rashaad Penny (RB, San Diego State)
5-11, 224lbs
31 1/2 inch arms, 9 1/8 inch hands
Kalen Ballage (RB, Arizona State)
6-2, 222lbs
33 1/4 inch arms, 9 3/4 inch hands
Josh Allen (QB, Wyoming)
6-5, 237lbs
33 1/2 inch arms, 10 1/8 inch hands
Luke Falk (QB, Washington State)
6-4, 211lbs
32 1/8 inch arms, 9/3 inch hands
Poona Ford (DT, Texas)
5-11, 306lbs
32 3/4 inch arms, 9 1/4 inch hands
Da’Shawn Hand (DT, Alabama)
6-4, 282lbs
34 1/4 inch arms, 10 inch hands
Troy Fumagalli (TE, Wisconsin)
6-5, 247lbs
32 1/4 inch arms, 9 5/8 inch hands
Tyler Conklin (TE, Central Michigan)
6-3, 252lbs
33 1/4 inch arms, 9 3/4 inch hands
Tyrell Crosby (T, Oregon)
6-5, 319lbs
34 3/8 inch arms, 10 7/8 inch hands
Will Hernandez (OL, UTEP)
6-2, 340lbs
32 3/8 inch arms, 9 3/4 inch hands
Mike Gesicki (TE, Penn State)
6-5, 242lbs
34 inch arms, 10 1/8 inch hands
B.J. Hill (DT, NC State)
6-3, 321lbs
32 1/4 inch arms, 10 3/8 inch hands
Harrison Phillips (DT, Stanford)
6-3, 303lbs
33 3/4 inch arms, 10 1/2 inch hands
Ogbonnia Okoronkwo (LB, Oklahoma)
6-1, 243lbs
34 1/2 inch arms, 9 1/4 inch hands
Tyquan Lewis (DE, Ohio State)
6-3, 276lbs
33 5/8 inch arms, 10 3/8 inch hands
Brian O’Neill (T, Pittsburgh)
6-6, 298lbs
34 1/8 inch arms, 9 3/8 inch hands
Jaleel Scott (WR, New Mexico State)
6-5, 216lbs
33 7/8 inch arms, 9 3/4 inch hands
Kyzir White (S, West Virginia)
6-2, 216lbs
32 inch arms, 9 7/8 inch hands
Meanwhile, Daniel Jeremiah posted his pre-Senior Bowl top-50 today. We noted last year how it’s difficult to read anything into these rankings. Otherwise the Seahawks would’ve had a shot at Sheldon Rankins and Keanu Neal in 2016 and a year ago they would’ve been able to draft Marlon Humphrey or Evan Engram.
Even so, it’s interesting to look and compare to our own rankings — to see who we might be overrating or underrating.
Here’s my own top-50 and a list of the players I think are worth legit first round grades (11 in total).
My thoughts completely align with Jeremiah’s in terms of the top four. Saquon Barkley, Quenton Nelson, Tremaine Edmunds and Bradley Chubb are the best four players in the draft. I think that’s a pretty cast-iron thought.
I also like Jeremiah’s rankings for Vita Vea (#9), Marcus Davenport (#10) and Ronald Jones II (#12). All three were in our ‘legit first rounders’ list.
Jeremiah’s ranking of Roquan Smith (#19) also resonates. Smith is really good — but at around 6-0 and 225lbs, some teams are going to be put off by his size and scheme fit. He will be limited to the WILL for some teams. It’s something to consider with a lot of people projecting Smith as a possible top-10 pick.
Billy Price is listed at #30 (quite low in my view) with Isaiah Wynn at #37 (Jeremiah suggests he has pro-bowl potential at guard, a point I’d agree with 100%).
Nick Chubb and Kerryon Johnson are the last two names on the list at #49 and #50. Jeremiah compares Chubb to Jonathan Stewart — a connection we’ve talked about over the last few weeks.
What I read from this top-50 is — Ronald Jones II is the running back to consider in round one but if he isn’t available or you’re determined to trade down — there will be good options in the second round.
So here are the players I believe warrant legit first round grades and where Jeremiah has them listed in his top-50:
Saquon Barkley — #1
Quenton Nelson — #2
Tremaine Edmunds — #3
Bradley Chubb — #4
Sam Darnold — #6
Josh Rosen — #7
Vita Vea — #9
Billy Price — #30
Ronald Jones II — #12
Tim Settle — Not ranked
Marcus Davenport — #11
Here are some of the names not included in Jeremiah’s top-50 that were present in mine: Tim Settle, Royce Freeman, Rashaad Penny, Frank Ragnow, Braden Smith, Lorenzo Carter.
Here’s why I think Settle warrants consideration:
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Interesting use of plural on Griffin’s hand measurement there Rob!
My Davenport man-crush is growing too – some great measurables
ghost- you might want to go get another draft crush! that dude just seems to be flying right up the line from v12 saying “hey dudes check out this player,” a few months back to top 12 pick!
he does look good no doubt. if he dominates this week in drills watch out.
319 is way too big for Crosby, good call Rob
He needs to get in shape. Too much bad weight. Very sloppy midriff.
Are you making fun of his belly Rob? Cortez Kennedy was fat that’s why he sucked so bad. Psych!
This guy was listed at 295 all year. Oregon is also known for super light tackles
Well, I tell everyone to list me at 180 even though I’m a couple German Shepherds over that. Just because no one changed his weight in the Oregon program doesn’t make it true. One thing I’m sure they get right at the Senior Bowl is reading the numbers of the scale.
If you were a college youd be Ole Missed the point
And in fact mr. Smarty pants there are ALWAYS discrepancies between these camps.
Guys arms seem to grow by a half inch in the matter of weeks sometimes
The more troubling thing is how he got so out of shape! Oregon has literally world class facilities. What kind of guy isnt taking advantage of that. I need some coaches quotes and player interviews.
Kenny you’re a ducks fan, correct? I’m on the fence with them as that I live near there but it’s easy for me to see how when a coach has his eyes looking around to the next thing players would slip.
sidenote: christobal yeah or nay. I wasn’t real impressed with either coaching hire for the ducks or the beavs
Who could be? I think we were star struck a bit with Taggert. He really made it seem like he wanted to take on the organization long term. So surprised by that move. I definitely didnt love FSU before.
Oregon schools have never really broken through the recruiting ceiling. Royce and DeAnthony Thomas are probably are biggest recruiting gets in a long time.
Didn’t Oregon schools lose out on the top instate recruit? “We wanna crack into Florida and Carolina”
Well, they did just get that insanely tall basketball player though, right?
Above average at everything except track
Yo Kenny I think I might know? He lives in Eugene Oregon an awesome Collage town and awesome Hippie naturalist realm. Great music scene, If you like Black Sabbath check out the Band “YOB” modern killer slow Metal band! Anyway my point is he’s probably got the munchies and as a kid it’s perfectly fine and completely better for you in so many ways than Alcohol and you know I know about that.
It’s completely crap that these kids can drink all they want and the college’s and NFL will give them fentinol patches and vicodin, percs, and ocy contin so these kids can make their school or organisation in the aspect of the NFL Money. It’s as corrupt as World Politics with obsession for Power, Money, And Greed! Yet these athletes you put their bodies, heart’s, mind’s, and yes sometimes Soul’s can’t smoke, vape or ingest something so beneficial and natural as some Canubus. We shall overcome the ignorance and oneday soon it shall be understood. I don’t even enjoy Weed I’m just a logic human person!
Durham Smythe, ND, TE arms a bit short, even adding an inch…
HT: 6052
WT:253
Arms: 31 1/2
Hands: 9 3/8
Wing: 78 7/8
Herndon should be up soon. Hope he does better. Found some more tape of him blocking and WOW.
Oh, I see it now. He didn’t weigh in. A bit better than Smythe if you add the inch that is probably missing.
Chris Herndon, Miami
32 1/8 arm, 9 3/8 hand
I’m a big believer in fumagalli and was glad he came in at “classic,” TE size.
already I can spit the bad measuring technique. Poona ford is giving up 3/4″ from just a,week ago on his arm length.
#ShaquemForStrongSafetyPlz
I Love that kid I say take him in the 5th he deserves to be drafted with respect!
Griffin Bro’s Rock!
that’s truly not a bad idea. he’s take a year or maybe less of coaching but would provide good special teams while learning. Carroll as ton pointed out was never really impressed as of yet by delano hill. Where he would praise chancellor his rookie “learning” season behind malloy.
He always played out of position. Rushed the passer a ton, which he could do pretty well, but he’ll get manhandled in the NFL. He’s a fantastic tackler, has a nose for the ball, just always seems like he’s in position to make a play. It’ll be interesting to see how he tests for speed/agility, but he always stood out to me as being a perfect candidate for how the Seahawks used Kam. And yes, he’ll be excellent for special teams. He’s one of the players where I really hope the right team drafts him because I think his talent could be wasted by teams not knowing how to use him and that’ll be a shame. He also just fits the MO of a Seahawks player. Quite obviously faced and overcame adversity, really mature and smart… so much to like about him. No clue what round teams see him going in. If he’s around in the 5th I feel like that’s a steal but who knows. I’m sure it’ll all come down to his pro day – I guess he got snubbed for the combine?
wow. it’s be one thing if we were hyping him just because of his brother. or frankly he was getting feel good votes in conference play. but dude put up “real,” numbers against “real” competition. it’s surprising to me that he wasn’t extended a combine invite.
perhaps that changes after this week?
I sure hope so he could have taken the weak route and loathed and felt sorry for himself, I know how that feels. Though he was strong and was Loved and he overcame that he was born without a hand and kicks massive Ass. How? Why would they do that? I can’t comprehend that, he’s definitely good enough to play in the NFL and I Love him for being such a strong person. I still want to give Derrick Coleman another shot at fullback, that story broke my heart.
I’m correcting myself he had his left hand amputated at age four. I apologize for being ignorant in a sense, I thought I remembered his story.
If he had both hands, I’d take him in the second round. Kid has a lot of talent and some really legit tape. I would love that pick. The kid has a lot of grit and I hope we draft him. Even if it doesn’t workout, he is a must grab to bring in to compete.
Kyzir White, S, WVU with some good numbers.
HT: 6021
WT: 216
Arms: 32
Hands: 9 7/8
Wing: 76 7/8
And man, those big WRs are BIG this year!
FYI just found this sortable table format which is nice.
http://nfldraftbible.com/senior-bowl-weigh-in-results-south/
North results still being added.
Thanks for sharing, I will add that to the piece.
This is awesome! Thanks Seamode
The only measurables that truly matter are
Passion
Determination
Persiverance
Grit
Love for the Game
I understand your analysis,
You guys really love numbers and football, for some of you it’s an obsession and there is worse thing’s to care about.
I’m just saying it’s most important to find people who have the tangables I listened and above and most of all they are Football player not an athlete. I understand your equations and calculations.
Everyone should check out “Cosmo’s” on Netflix narrated by Neal Degrass Tyson, based on scientific work by Carl Sagan. Now that is some true awe inspiring Calculous my People;
I actually get your perspective quite a bit. most of the numbers really don’t matter and ate fuel to keep the site going from off season to off season event.
however, (there’s always a however) the team we love has shown for years now some really hard and fast rules about what “size,” players they will even consider. so it’s both frustrating if you love a kids game and his a little short, not as long, etc….because you know seattle won’t even consider them. and cool the opposite way if a player comes in looking perhaps unique for his size or position.
That’s the truth and I appreciate your opinion Peter. I do believe you are a wise and open minded individual, Thank you!
That’s what gets missed so much. Needs to be a balance between athletic numbers and intangibles. The have struck gold so many times (Wilson/Sherman/Wagner/Chancelor). Let’s hope they do it again.
Space is crazy. Amazing and leaves me awe struck every time I try and comprehend it.
I have a hard time with the measurements too. I like the information, but it seems that somewhere along the way it becomes all about the measurements instead of performance. The weakness being that you end up with untrained high potential guys.
Here’s another strategy. Take the best players from the four BCS teams. Not the best measurements. The best players!
Now it may turn out that the best players have the best measurements = that would validate using measurements. Or it may turn out that a significant number of proven college players are dropped a few rounds because of measurements. My take is that if they didn’t show their potential in college than I don’t care what their measurements are.
Talent. You left out talent. You’re trying too hard.
If you’re speaking to me I don’t try, I either do or do not.
Talent is a variable though I believe it is realised through PASSION. I believe that’s where talent is found. Great thought and I understand your reasoning drewdawg11.
LOL. Yeah, Rudy ain’t making the team.
I think for defensive players the Seahawks use measureables the right way. You don’t overlook skills, performance and desire, but once you’ve isolated the group with those traits you’d consider, measureables sorts out how you rank them.
The Hawks have been good in that regard with everything but O-line. For O-linemen, Cable was so convinced college linemen were so far behind the curve on athleticism when compared to D-linemen, that he threw out the skills and talent part of the evaluation and relied solely on measurables. And it cost us. Many of the picks he passed on while searching for ideal numbers are now stalwarts on offensive lines throughout the league.
You’re right about that Mark, it was a logical way of going about drafting and training offensive lineman yet it just wasn’t working out and it became insanity a few years ago.
I’m so glad coach Dish Network is gone, the Line they are a changing!!! Yeah Y’all !
Would draft Settle for his dance, alone. Big man can pogo.
Tim Settle is a perfect example of some player’s Don’t have it or he’s too fat or he’s an inch too short.
Some people just have it! Its called a gift!
Analytical data is still helpful and it’s one of the things you can measure without truly knowing who they are as a person
My God….watching those highlights of Settle. If he is there at 18 please pick him. Work out the running back position later. My hope is Carson, Davis, Procise and McKissic are enough with an improved Oline with better coaching. If they are healthy (if?) they will be enough. Pick Settle please! Someone here said he reminded them of Tez. I can see it.
Those backs that you just listed are NOT enough. They’ve proven that pretty emphatically.
I think you’re spot on with Ronald Jones. We could see them incrementally move back, allowing them the greatest amount of flexibility—tho this is a more difficult approach.
Looks like a draft class perfectly set up for Seattle to trade back to fill the biggest need. Right now I got Nick Chubb as the leading candidate.
Going to be really interested in seeing how Darius Leonard, Uchenna Nnwuso, and, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo perform this week, as well as BJ Hill.
I think there’s a good chance that if the get a day two pick or two they’ll go after a speedy defender in the front seven, or add to the DL.
Rob, did you get a chance to have a look see on Leonard?
Weigh in warriors report:
https://twitter.com/RosterWatch/status/955845334953054208
lol “TE Tyler Conklin looks like he lives off the land and kills his own meals.”
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I’m told that former Seahawks DC Kris Richard will be the Defensive Backs Coach & Passing Game Coordinator for the Dallas Cowboys. @710ESPNSeattle
11:54 PM – Jan 22, 2018
I think one thing is probably for certain. This is going to ignite the trading Earl Thomas to Dallas speculation ten fold.
Very good point.
Anyone looked at UCLA WR Jordan Lasley? Think he could develop into something more?
Great build (6-3, 210), breaks tackles after the catch, and seems to have good speed.
Decided to declare early with Rosen. This year in just 9 games: 69/1264/9 TD. 18.3 avg.
Jordan Lasley || Explosive Receiver || UCLA 2017 Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTFaZu1tCq0
Haven’t heard much chatter about him at all.
I like Lasely a lot! When UCLA had injuries at WR he really stepped up. Will be interesting to see how he runs.
This a huge WR class. If only the Hawks had some Day #2 picks there would be some great options to compliment our smaller WR in Doug and Locket.
That dude is a head case and has awful hands. Reminds me of Breshad Perriman.
Ok good to know and not waste the time.
If Settle find his path to top 20 on most of the boards at the end, we can say that Rob is the greatest analyst of all.
If he tests poorly I think he will likely be a R2 player who plays well above his value. For now I’m willing to keep him high just because there aren’t players with his size, mobility and pass rush ability.
If Danny Shelton went at #12 there is no way Settle should last till round #2. He is a much better athlete and impact player.
So dreaming out loud…Vea and Settle are there at 18 and the Hawks ditch the plan to trade down.
Which one do you pick? Which is the better scheme fit?
settle for me. seattle has run stuffers (I think veae is more than that btw) but Seattle and frankly any team could use more interior less rush. dude has a nasty first step. it’s just different for both. people think the ngata comps to veae is lazy but Veae seems like a future HOF’er collapsing pockets and stoning dudes.
I’d appreciate comments from anyone willing to tackle the following questions:
At 307 pounds Isaiah Wynn is almost twenty pounds lighter than Brown or Ifedi (I realize they are tackles). Steve Hutchinson was the prototype guard at 313 pounds but that was eighteen years ago. Zach Martin is considered by many to be the best guard currently and he’s only 309 pounds while Kelechi Osemele, who is rated as first, or second is 333 pounds. The rest of the top ten NFL guards weigh between 315 and 320 pounds.
I’m curious about the question of size as a factor in run blocking and blocking larger, bull rush tackles from the guard position. How much can a guy like Wynn bulk up with an NFL weight room and diet? How much does an extra twenty pounds of good weight impact NFL guard play? Is size scheme specific in the sense that a run heavy team might want a larger body?
that’s a lot of great questions. as for adding “good weight,” i think it’s reasonable to think he could add 10 lbs of muscle in a year easy.
the thing for me about Wynn is it’s clear to me he’s not at his athletic apex yet. his ability to handle his business against the vaunted alabama d. he able to control speed, strength, and technique. if his arm length is true come the combine i think a ton of teams will love him for guard and some may even think about keeping him at tackle.
Really? We’re worried because a prospect is lighter than the average NFL guard by a bowling ball (and not a very large bowling ball at that)?
No Mark, not worried… just a question about the type of body that would be most advantageous in a power running game. The NFL freaks out over 2 inches in QB height and the Hawks don’t draft CBs with arms shorter than 32 inches. I don’t think the question is inappropriate.
What I would worry about is functional muscle strength over 60 minutes. Some of these guys start out strong and end up huffing and puffing. No rotations for offensive linemen!!!
Rob if the hawks plan to try to add youth and get younger, faster on Defense and let M Bennett walk then do you think they will move on from Sherm and ET this off season as well?
I only ask because both are in contract years and If the Hawks want to get younger giving a high $ third contract to two aging DBs does not seem to be in the cards. Both guys are out spoken strong personalities and have the potential to be major distractions if they do not get extensions before the season starts.
I for one hope the Hawks either extend both or trade both before the seasons starts. I think this team really needs to focus on discipline and getting back to strong fundamental football. Way too much off field crap the last couple of year.
Just curious of your thoughts. Would make the pre-draft season so much more fun if we had another couple of Day 1-2 picks that’s for sure.
It would make draft season fun, but I wouldn’t relish going into the season without those two. For me, you have to shrink your core of defensive players on hefty contracts from the current 7 (!!!) to 3 or 4. Wagner, ET, and Sherm are still your 3 best players on defense. I think Earl continued to play to his standard and Sherman had his best year since the super bowl seasons – on and off the field. Everyone else (Bennett, Avril, KJ, and Kam) should be evaluated for how they can be replaced for less expensive players.
“have the potential to be major distractions ”
I get the sense that would be played up in the media more than in the locker room. Both those guys are pros. Loud pros, but pros nonetheless.
Sherman’s trade value is severely hindered by his injury and that is fine with me. I don’t want him going anywhere. I want him pissed off for greatness in 2018. And who knows, maybe 8 months away from hard physical football helps with his other nagging injury issues he’s been dealing with.
I don’t want Earl to go either but this is a crossroads. Max trade value, an upcoming contract negotiation, and a need for more draft picks all coalesce into the ideal time for the Hawks to explore all options.
I wouldn’t trade either player for anything less than a second round pick. They are both very prideful guys so I doubt they’d sign here if we let them test free agency and we’d end up with a compensatory pick that is essentially a fourth rounder at best. I think they both have three years of high level play left in them. I don’t think Sherm’s injury will linger and he doesn’t rely on speed. My inclination is to resign both of them to extensions which pay them most of their guaranteed money in 2019, 2020. I wouldn’t be surprised to see some significant decline beginning in 2021 but I’m sure PS would structure their contracts to recognize that eventuality.
I don’t know to be honest — but it feels like everything’s on the table at the moment.
For me, comes down to 2 questions: 1.) Can they realistically compete for a championship in 2018? 2.) Are Sherman/Thomas worth 3rd contracts?
IMO, no and no.
2019 is the year.
that’s a tough cut but I’m not that far from feeling the same way. Seattle’s in a strange hard spot with this draft and with free agency.
though the fans are rarely the same it’s interesting how many people think earl should be given a third contract seems about even to the fans that lament Kam was given an extension.
if I’m honest I think it’s foolish to think 2018 defense with the old band back together is going to be back or near 2013. more importantly can you even keep the band on stage to play that metaphor out. or is it more likely earl misses 3.5 games again (his last two season average) Kam even plays, who spells Bennett because he was getting run down last year?
My mom wants the Mariners to bring Ichiro back.
/sigh
to be fair I think all of our mom’s of a certain era want ichiro back
Ha! True.
LOL, Earl and Sherman are both under 30 and both played borderline all pro level last year.
I was against the Kam contract but totally for an Earl extension. Free safety is a less physical position and is often times not taking as many hits as every other position on defense. Earl is usually 10 yards from most of the defensive plays. You don’t trade away a 28 year old HOF safety. He still has 2-3 years of prime left and that should be how long the contracts guaranteed for.
Totally agree on Earl. I’d love to keep Sherm but it’s more complicated because he’s a little older and the price for elite Cb’s is a lot more. If Sherm demands sixteen or eighteen million per year it will be tough. I’m not worried about his injury because people recover from achilles injuries, speed isn’t Sherm’s game, and his durability has been extraordinary. While I wasn’t sure about the Chancellor contract I think Kam was unique because of his locker room presence. Kam didn’t get hurt until the last game of the season and the severity of his injury really had nothing to do with his age.
Will Hernandez 340lbs. That is a big man. Can’t wait to see him the OL/ DL drills to see if he has decent mobility. if he does he would be the big nasty LG we need and likely available in Rd #2 if JS goes the trade back route.
Their are 4 interior OL in this draft who could be the final piece for our OL IMO.
Nelson, Price, Wynn, Heranandez are all guys whom I think you plug in Day #1 at LG to team with Britt and Pocic and give us a solid interior on the OL for the next 4-5 year.
I’m not sure how accurate this is but I seem to recall reading that solari likes the inverse a big strong RG and a more nimble LG. or is this inverted?
I’ve got doubts about Pocic. he felt like a classic wacky pick. I appreciate the premise if scheme versatility and I hope from a “please let the line gel,” stand point he sticks. but the interior play last year,was horrible.
I hate to bet another season on whether he can grow stronger to prevent the bull rush.
Josh Allen has some ugly tape but wow he is the Protype for an NFL QB.
6-5, 237lbs
33 1/2 inch arms, 10 1/8 inch hands
that’s why Cleveland’s going to pick him first overall and then go ahead and be picking top five next year as well.
You never know Peter, oh yeah it’s the Browns. Sad enough for those of you who aren’t Seattle fan’s and just love Thy Hawks the Mariner’s have the longest streak of not making the post season out of all the major U.S. sports surpassing even the Brown’s by two or three years. Cleveland looses again. Go M’s!
Sure, he looks the part and has prototypical size, with a rocket launcher arm. The knock on Allen is he’s inaccurate. Always has been. And it’s not something you can fix. I feel sorry for Cleveland fans if the stuck with this guy. It’ll just be another high draft pick bungled by their front office. Maybe they could hire Kevin Costner. He had an outstanding draft in 2014.
Nice Mark. I think they need Darnold but will take Allen.
Yeah you never know Trevor those are some Tom Brady traits. I was talking to my G-ma and she’s 95 so she’s wise in her ways and she thinks Tom Brady is good because he’s tall and there’s definitely something to that train of thought.
It’s a good thing DangeRuss isn’t 6-2 because he’d be playing for some other team!
Out of respect for him,
Go Hawks!
I started two comments with “You Never Know” I feel so mundane I’m done for a bit.
Time to get some work done!
Wynn has some tiny, carni hands. What up with that? Great player, however.
He is not a big OL at all but a master technician. If he was a bigger guy with the same skill set he would be a top 5 pick.
Does that truly matter especially for a lineman and realistically he probably has bigger hands then the majority of this blog. I care about people’s feelings and I’m sure that makes him uncomfortable and insucure. You can talk about Donald Trump’s Hands he seems like an arrogant jerk, though I concencly think about not judging people.
Speaking of I would vote for Dougie Baldwin as president he’s a very intelligent, reasonable Human Being. Anyway else feel that way?
I agree on your assessments of Dougie and Donnie. You don’t go to Stanford, even on an athletic scholarship, if you’re a dummy. Baldwin is intelligent and exhibits strong depth of character. I’d love to seem him pursue a political career for our sake but I’m not sure I’d wish that on him.
Yeah it matters. Doesn’t mean he can’t overcome it though. If his hands are small he may grip strength and not he may not be able to control a D-lineman’s chest plate.
* boy that was a word salad.
Heavy-handed OL are usually more successful at holding/driving but it’s not a deal killer. Now small feet would be an issue. I was just surprised. I wasn’t trying to knock the kid.
How can you not love. this. guy.?
https://twitter.com/JonDAdams/status/955875366832402432
That’s how I feel about the SB. Will just be background noise for me. Couldn’t imagine wanting to see a world championship between the cities of Philly and Boston. Nope. Not me. Can’t be.
“The only more American sounding game would be if they both got together to beat the Redskins” -TDS
As expected:
@TonyPauline
Isaiah Wynn/Georgia lining up at guard. Very quick and explosive during #SeniorBowl practice
11:47 AM – 23 Jan 2018
Really hope Hawks can land him or one of the other top guards in the draft or FA. Got a feeling Solari is gonna want big road grader type guards versus the leaner guys we’ve had since Carp left. Thinking Solari wants a line built like he has in SF. A strong dancing bear at LT, two big road grader guards, and a big mammoth at RT.
gotta get some new dudes then. because seattle doesn’t have any if that right now. maybe ifedi. no one at guard road grades and brown maybe has it.
Marcus Davenport is getting worked.
But but but…. His arm length….
Not used to plantng that hand in the dirt.
That lack of versatility is gonna wipe him from some boards. He could have made a lot of money as the top pass rushing DE
Not a huge fan of the pass rushers this year.
that’s just it this class has some interesting players but across the board it’s pretty meh.
I think he’s got Carolina Panther written all over him.
I think he can still make himself a ton of money. it’s the first day.
Oh I agree. I just think he’s probably more of a late 1st. He’s got a ton or natural, raw talent combined with those measurables. He’s still a Seattle type of prospect.
Not to mention its not a good class at edge rusher, so teams might be more willing to spend high on him
Kenny, if his arms are too short and he’s not used to putting one hand in the dirt he may just tip over thereby looking like our offensive line in the infamous picture in this link: https://www.sbnation.com/2017/9/25/16363040/seattle-seahawks-offensive-line-failing-very-badly-whiffed-blocks
From what I’ve seen of him on YouTube he seems like a day 2 pick. Athletically he’s a freak of nature, but he lacks fundamentals and actually may not be that explosive in short areas. I’d pass on him personally unless he lasts until day 3.
Oohh. S. ‘Bama DB Jeremy Reaves is in this game? Hell yeah!
Andrew Brown, DT, Virginia is very, very intriguing. Looks great. Fluid, disruptive.
6’3, 294 and 35 1/2″ arms!?
He’s another 5 star recruit who didn’t fully pan out but has strong possibilities. There was a nagging toe injury early in his college career plus conflict with an assistant coach who didn’t believe in him.
Awsi Dooger I always Thought your name was an Australian expression? Yeah I feel silly, now I’m thinking it’s just your name. I was attempting to find the defenition and discovered you were a Capricorn, me as well!
Capricorn’s rule!
Sorry to hear about the Cane’s CB who just had career ending surgery. I know he was probably hoping to be a pro and he’s taking it admirably stating that he’s glad for his health and still going to be there for his teammates while getting his degree. I say great attitude young man!
Vol you usually know these things? Who is at Senior Bowl from Seahawks FO.
I can’t answer that. I’d assume all the area scouts and positional coaches though.
Would he shocked of JS isn’t. He is a scout at heart.
I would like to see him and Pete there. Both guys know how to evaluate talent. I think some of the Hawks early draft success was because Pete knew all the guys from his USC recruiting.
This is where they could find some Day 3 gems
That was a huge contributing factor to some of their early draft success.
Will be interesting to see if the longer offseason pays dividends on the scouting/drafting side of things. Our post Super Bowl drafts were kind of stinkers.
Brock Huard said Schneider is at the Senior Bowl so the head honcho is there at the least apparently.
Shaquem Griffin just continues to defy the odds. What a cool player.
I meant Griffin has to be a Seahawk! I really really hope so such a great story.
Robs guy Marquis Haynes looks really good!
Has to be a Seahawk!
Anyone see the piece Mike Mayock did on the Tuesday Senior bowl practice on NFL channel about:
OLT-Alex Cappa, from Division 2 Humbolt State?
He’s 6-055/299, 5.27/40 +/-, ranked #196-overall, projected Rd-5/6.
He really impressed Mike Mayock who showed a 6-8 play sequence where he dominated the competition
on film during Tuesdays Senior Bowl practice. A small school prospect, but maybe he could be a possible
Rd-5 value for the Seahawks? Maybe he could play ORT & replace Ifedi-oops?
Like the nasty but he will probably go day 3 or undrafted. Problem is he needs a year or so to bulk up. He’s gotta add 20-25 lbs before he would be a legitimate guy to try at OT. Sub 300 linemen always scare me as first year starters. We saw Pocic have a hard time moving people and power rushers gave him fits and he was around 310.
I think length is important and IMO, this kid has it in spades, in a position of need (LB) and positioned in the draft as a day 3 pick, he very well could be a sleeper for the Seahawks. I see others have mentioned him a few times here so, maybe he is well worth further evaluation by some of the more expert guys here. I’m mostly a stats guy, but I’ve watched enough tape to see some promise for starter development with this guy.
–LB-Darius Leonard, So. Carolina St., 6-020/229, 4.76/40 +/-, ranked #147-overall, projected Rd-4/5,
10.375-hand, 34.125″-arms, 82.0″-wingspan.
FCS All-American, 2-time MEAC Defensive player of the year.
2017: 10-games, 113-tkls, 73-solo, , 11.5-TFL, 8.0-sacks, 1.0-TFL, 2-Int (1 for TD), 1-PBU
Career: 43-games, 393-tkls, 273-solo, 53.5-TFL, 21.5-sacks, 6-INT (3 for TD’s), 7-PBU
I’m definitely thinking Darius Leonard in a scenario where Seattle trades back to likely pick up one of the RBs and in addition to aquiring a later Day Two pick. I think he has a really interesting vibe to his game that could appeal to Norton.
Is the Seahawks game in London this year considered a home or away game?
Away
What we know:
Home: SF, AZ, LAR, GB, MINN, DAL, KC, LAC
Away: SF, AZ, LAR, DET, CHI, CAR, DEN, OAK (London Oct14)
Ogbonnia has some gorilla arms. Scrape them knuckles
Sloppy feet
Fort Hayes St DT Brandon Shepherd is a beast!
Hahaha!
UTEP’s Will Hernandez. Built like a sh** brkickhouse. Reminds me of of those Denver O-lineman from the mid-late 90’s. He’s awesome.
He is a beast!
Someone should ask Mel Kiper why he’s not a man of his word. With his ‘if Jimmy Clausen isn’t a good NFL QB I’ll retire.’ That was like 7 years ago though so.
Probably shouldnt have, but this made me LOL.
https://mobile.twitter.com/blk_tray/status/955931077545086976/photo/1
He’s a traits guy, what can I say?
Has Hugh Millen eaten his microphone yet?
Yeah that was just an expression and he makes Probably a million- 2 million a year just from the draft. That could easily be you Vol. and of course Rob. Just completely avoid ESPN. Last year I watched the draft on the NFL app on my Ruku it’s only a few minutes behind real time and no Kiper or Mcshay! Hip hip hooray!
If the Hawks trade back I would love to see Will Hernadez as our LG next year. Him and Brown would be enormous!
Scouting Penny, I think there’s a chance Pete Carroll might appreciate this defensive play from Auburn LB Tre’ Williams.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DraftAnalyst1/status/955910562327810048/video/1
Don’t know if this guy is at the Senior Bowl but I think I found the first TE in this draft who is actually a plus run and pass blocker. It’s David Wells 6’5″ 255lbs from SDSU. They use him a lot as an in-line blocker and Penny often went behind him. Hawks need to land a blocking TE in FA or the draft.
Maybe if we trade back Settle will be there in the late 2nd? Chubb and Settle would be an awesome day 1…
Didn’t have the production, could be because that line was so deep and they rotate a ton, but a guy that flashed for me today and in the Rose bowl was Ohio St. DE Jayln Holmes (6’4, 280 lbs., almost 35″ arms, and an 82″ wingspan).
Would be a really nice addition to a rotation and another in long line of DEs this year that are raw, but have loads of upside and good-great physical profiles.
I think I’m falling in love with the idea of trading down to the mid to late 20s and taking Wynn then coming back in the second and taking Sony or Penny
I think Wynn is a first rounder. Probably gonna sneak in to the right team (us) like Joshua Garnett did to SF
Not against that idea but would prefer other backs to Sony or Penny.
1st round SS from Alabama & FSU should fall to us or we could trade back to round 2 & still get 1 of them. Punter options & kicker in round 4 or 5. Trade with Cleveland for two 2nds & a 4th.
Tim Settle’s “dance” after a good play is worth a high draft pick alone!