Month: April 2013 (Page 6 of 6)

Terron Armstead made headlines at the combine by running a 4.65 at 6-5 and 306lbs (it was later changed to an official 4.71, see above). I remember at the time wondering if Seattle would pull a reverse-Sweezy. Maybe they consider it? He’s got the length and the size they look for at defensive tackle. That’s some explosive speed for a big guy. Dion Jordan ran a 4.60 at 248lbs. Think about that comparison.

It’s fun to think about that kind of switch, yet in reality it’s unlikely. One of the reasons I suspect Seattle and Cable started to look at defensive converts is the extreme difference that’s started to emerge between offensive and defensive lineman. The best athletes in college play defense these days. As time goes on, it’s going to get harder and harder to find orthodox lineman apart from the usual stud left tackles. Once again the Seahawks are ahead of the curve in looking for defensive players who can switch. The league will catch on, especially if J.R. Sweezy develops into a permanent starter. We’d start to see more and more of this, because it could be the only way to match up physically in the trenches.

Moving from offense to defense — the reverse-Sweezy — seems unlikely. There’s already enough great athletes playing defense. Armstead is rare in that he actually has the tools to play offensive line in the modern NFL. Keep him where he is.

It’s been quite a journey for the former High School shot-putter. He started the draft process as an unknown from Arkansas Pine-Bluff, impressed at the Shrine game, made a last minute arrival at the Senior Bowl and left Indianapolis as a major talking point. No doubt many teams were scrambling to get hold of game tape after his performance at the combine.

As an athletic specimen, he’s the type Seattle probably salivates over. That’s why you can’t rule him out if he’s there at #56. As we’ve discussed before, the Seahawks can’t pay every offensive player top dollar. While Breno Giacomini performed very well for the most part last year, the right tackle position is sufficiently unimportant (context) that you don’t need to pay your starter $4.25m (Giacomini’s salary this year). It’s the kind of sacrifice you’ll need to make to keep guys like Russell Wilson, Percy Harvin, Russell Okung and Marshawn Lynch (etc) on the roster.

Armstead, if drafted at #56, would cost $644k as a rookie and a maximum of $1.2m by year four. That’s a huge saving for a position of limited importance (again, in context). Red-shirting him for a year behind Giacomini limits the need to throw him in at the deep end/ He could be spelled just like Sweezy and John Moffitt last year. It also allows Tom Cable to work with him and develop him into a more rounded pro.

I suppose you could argue that if the position is of secondary importance, why spend a second round pick? It’d be a fair point. Yet this is a team that has shown a tendency to chance their arm on upside. Armstead certainly has a lot of athletic potential and if they want to take a chance on a guy like this, they’re unlikely to find an alternative beyond day two. He has decent arm length (34 inches, the same as Menelik Watson, 1/4 of an inch shorter than Luke Joeckel). He’s definitely an intriguing player.

One of the reasons I argued heavily against taking Gabe Carimi in 2011 was because he’s a pure right tackle. I would never ever draft a player in round one who’s tagged as a pure right tackle. It usually means, like Carimi, they’re poor against the speed rush and play best in the run game. The NFL has changed and a lot of teams use dual rushers off the edge. Elite rushers like Mario Williams, Clay Matthews and J.J. Watt roam around, stunting and playing both edges. If you’re drafting a tackle in round one or two these days, I think the least you should expect is they can handle speed. A lot of these ‘pure’ right tackles can’t.

D.J. Fluker is another example. Watch Alabama tape and he has some struggles against speed. Yes he’s a powerful drive blocker for the run. I suspect, like James Carpenter, he’ll end up at guard because he’ll struggle when taking on the game’s best pass rushers. The one thing in Fluker’s locker is long arms — well over 36 inches to be exact. That’s some serious length.

Armstead has the quicks. It wouldn’t be misplaced confidence to believe he can cope well against a speed rush. I don’t take a great deal out of small school tape (see below) because the competition is so comparatively weak. Yet he did enough to keep me interested. And given Seattle has one of the best offensive line coaches in the league — I’d love to see what he could do with this guy. He’s a solid option at #56. Maybe even the type of player Seattle thrives on progressing.

Matt Scott is low-key and all business. No wonder his Mark Wahlberg impression is spot on.

This year’s quarterback group is almost the perfect opposite of last year’s.  Last year’s was extremely strong at the top, weak in the middle, and very strong at the end (Wilson was a projected 4th or 5th rounder going into the draft).  One of my favorite quarterbacks that year, Chandler Harnish, ended up Mr. Irrelevant.   This year’s is (falsely considered) weak at the top, extremely strong in the middle, and very weak at the end- though there are many interesting UDFA-type options this year.

We don’t have to worry about Geno Smith and Matt Barkley, both will be gone in the first round.

The second tier is crowded.  EJ Manuel could sneak into round one but for now I have him as a 2nd rounder.  Ryan Nassib, Mike Glennon, Tyler Wilson, and most recently Matt Scott have all entered the discussion as quarterbacks that might be drafted somewhere in the 2nd round.  Keep in mind too that this is in a draft with as many as 60 players with second round grades.  It’s going to be a historically crowded 2nd round this year.  The bulk of this mid-round class could push some of those names into rounds 3 and 4, just as Brock Osweiler, Russell Wilson, and Nick Foles helped Kirk Cousins last until the 4th last year.

I think the 4th round is probably the earliest that Seattle would target a quarterback.  You might remember that Seattle wanted to target a quarterback in the round 4-6 range last year even after signing Matt Flynn.  Ultimately they ended up taking Russell Wilson in the 3rd thanks to a colossal man-crush from John Schneider, but they had originally hoped to take Wilson later- it was only until they began hearing that other teams wanted Wilson in the 3rd that priorities shifted.

All five of the second tier quarterbacks are unlikely to reach the late 4th.  However, there is a decent chance that at least one of them might, so it’s worth doing a bit of legwork to figure out which one we should hope for.

EJ Manuel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYRCkpnnlIs

EJ Manuel is the most physically gifted quarterback in the 2013 draft, but he’s also a mechanical quarterback.  Ask him to make a play on the fly, and he will make mistakes.  Put him in a controlled environment that taxes his mind lightly, and he could put up great numbers even if the eyeball test tells you something different.  He’s a very similar kind of player to Colin Kaepernick, Alex  Smith, Jake Locker, Vince Young, Charlie Whitehurst or Tarvaris Jackson.  While Colin Kaepernick is all the rage, credit for his success is misplaced.  Kaepernick is truly a talent, but were he not playing for a simplified offense created by a brilliant coach, I think he’d be a lot more like Tim Tebow with a prettier pass than what he’s become today.

Seattle’s interest in Kaepernick during the 2011 draft, as well as their acquisitions of Whitehurst and T-jack all point to the Seahawks being okay with the mechanical quarterback approach.

That said, I’d be pretty surprised if Manuel reached our pick, and there is a snowball’s chance in hell that he slips to the 4th round.  I think he’s very likely to be the third quarterback off the board- he might even be the second.

Ryan Nassib

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBH2peKn64E

As Matt Waldman put it so wonderfully, Ryan Nassib is the “color inside the lines favorite.”  He meets the minimum conventional criteria in every category, and on tape he looks like a traditional NFL style quarterback.  Nassib’s USC compilation shows a quarterback that struggles under pressure, though on the whole there is much to like about him.  He makes quick decisions, can check through reads (quickly too), has a quick release and even has some rushing ability.  He seems like a great fit for Seattle’s point guard at quarterback philosophy.

That said, Ryan Nassib is expected to last no later than Buffalo’s 2nd round pick.  Buffalo hired Nassib’s college coach this offseason, and it’s possible that Buffalo might move into the late 1st to secure him.

Mike Glennon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPipSLtM-GE

Mike Glennon was one of the main driving forces behind Russell Wilson’s early departure from NC State, so it would be ironic to say the least if he became Russell Wilson’s long term backup in Seattle.

It’s tempting to compare his game to Brock Osweiler.  Both are 6’7″ and throw the ball with velocity, yet both are prone to bouts of inaccuracy and terrible decision making.  Watching Glennon, he just seems like the kind of quarterback the Arizona Cardinals would go for: he’s tall, stiff, lacking intangibles, and overvalued.  He’s very nearly the perfect opposite of his NC State predecessor.

I was a fan of Glennon’s for a time because he reminded me of Joe Flacco, but the more I watch the more problems I find.  I don’t expect him to be high on Seattle’s shopping list, as Seattle is looking for “tilt the field” guys and Glennon sorely lacks for intangibles.

Tyler Wilson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDt6saeTxHM

Once upon a time, Matt Barkley and Tyler Wilson were widely expected to be the first two quarterbacks off the board in the 2013 draft.  That was during an olden time when NFL teams weren’t obsessing over the read option or the “new breed” of quarterback.

Wilson did not clock a blistering 40 time, but he’s still very much a point guard at quarterback.  He checks through reads with ease, spreads the football around, and when it’s given to him, he’ll run for ten easy yards.

I’m curious to see how the Seahawks will react to Tyler Wilson’s hand measurement.  John Schneider likes his quarterbacks to have big hands, and Wilson’s hands measured in at just 8¾”, which will remove him from many draft boards as several teams consider 9″ to be a cutoff point.  I personally don’t take issue, as Wilson didn’t show problems associated with small hands on tape (he wasn’t fumble prone and typically threw tight spirals, though I did notice he rarely attempted pump fakes).

If Wilson reaches Seattle’s late 4th rounder, I would be mildly surprised if they passed.  It’s not very often you get a quarterback of Wilson’s caliber in the late 4th round.  Wilson is a “big name” too; his path towards building future trade value is a paved one.

Matt Scott

Matt Scott is probably my favorite quarterback this year.  Not because he’s the best- far from it.  No, what I love about Matt Scott is what he wasn’t allowed to be and what he could become.

If I really wanted to sell you on him, I could have chosen a better video than the one above.  His compilation against Stanford is probably his best.  Against Nevada, he must have made close to a dozen poor throws, and he was featured less as a runner than he had been earlier in the season.  He also threw a couple ugly picks.

Yet this flawed bowl game compilation also proves that even a struggling Matt Scott can still lead his team to 49 total points, including two incredibly heroic drives at the end of the game.  Even when he’s off his game he can be dangerous.

Matt Scott is easily the most agile quarterback in this draft.  His times in the 3-cone and short shuttle blew the competition away at the combine.  There were times earlier in the season where that quickness was on full display as he evaded pass rushers and extended plays while keeping his eyes downfield, using his mobility in a Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers sense.

Unfortunately, Rich-rod’s offense at Arizona highly emphasized getting the ball out in under two seconds which doesn’t really jive with Matt Scott’s play extending ability.  I think in an offense like ours he could thrive since Seattle uses developing routes instead of quick passes.  No NFL quarterback held the ball longer on average than Russell Wilson last season.

While Matt Scott needs to work on the mental part of his game (my big worry is that he might have an improvisational ceiling along the lines of Seneca Wallace or Tarvaris Jackson), it would be hasty to judge at this point.  Scott’s elite quickness and rifle arm will allow him to succeed perhaps more than he should based on his mental makeup, similar to Colin Kaepernick.  And unlike Kaepernick, Matt Scott doesn’t stare at his first read for four seconds before moving to his second.  He’s actually quite developed at making reads despite having just one year of starting experience.

The obvious appeal of Matt Scott to Seattle is his potential for future trade value.  If he thrives in Seattle’s offense, potential buyers are going to see a quarterback that is highly productive, highly mobile, and can sling the football.  If he pans out, you won’t be looking at two future fifth round picks when he’s dealt.

Scott needs to go to a place that can take the time to tune up his game, away from the pure read-option and more towards a point guard at quarterback skillset.  Seattle is the perfect landing spot for him, though if the Seahawks really do want Matt Scott, the odds of landing him at the end of round 4 are slim.

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I’ll cover the late round options in a separate post tomorrow.  Many of the names mentioned in the comments the last few weeks will get some love.  Look forward to it!

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Tony Pauline is reporting that most team’s have given approximately fifteen players first round grades this year. It’s not a huge surprise. While it’s true that there’s a deep, wide ranging talent pool that stretches as far as the early third round, it’s a class that lacks sure-fire first round talent. Players going in the 40-55 range will compare favourably with those going in the 20’s. And that means anything could happen.

By acknowledging this we start to get an even better understanding as to why Seattle traded for Percy Harvin. Let’s say the Seahawks are one of those teams with about 15 ‘first round’ players on their board. What are you actually going to get at #25? The answer is, nobody even close to the level of Harvin’s talent. The fans in the PNW should appreciate that they have a front office with the kind of vision to see that and the cojones to make the move. Frankly, I couldn’t care less whether the Harvin trade works out. The odds are stacked in Seattle’s favour here and they were right to take a shot. So while Vikings fans get to contemplate the possibility of adding a guy like Manti Te’o with that extra pick, the Seahawks get one of the most dynamic players in the NFL. It was win-win for all concerned.

Hardly anybody is going to feel satisfied with their draft position this year. I suspect nearly every team in the first round will be looking to move up or down, targeting specific needs and hunting for value. That’s obviously the case every year, but it could be even more extreme in 2013. And that could lead to cheap trades galore.

I wouldn’t be surprised if, like last year, we get up towards 10-12 trades on day one. Little moves where a team is happy to drop for the price of an additional fourth or fifth rounder. The new CBA encourages movement in the draft, but a deep class lacking elite talent will make it even more entertaining. We might see several minor deals (eg — Cleveland and Minnesota flipping spots a year ago) as teams jostle around. The best chance of a blockbuster trade could be if Darrelle Revis gets moved. I suspect as the board unfolds he’ll start to look like a more attractive proposition. A team like Tampa Bay with a ton of cap room could essentially move from #13 into the 20’s, taking whatever deal they can get, then send the pick to New York for Revis.

We could also see a lot of ‘surprise’ picks, at least based on what the media has reported thus far. All those players who’ve been knocked since the end of the college football season could suddenly emerge as first rounders. Players we talked about during September to December (Matt Barkley, Arthur Brown, Zach Ertz, Robert Woods) could end up being first round picks. And everyone will act shocked. There’s basically a pool of around 50 players who could theoretically go in round one. Whether it’s scheme, a hunch, athletic dynamism or consistency — we’re going to see teams going beyond conventional wisdom and rankings to take guys they feel comfortable with.

The one position I think we’ll see a rush on is left tackle. That’s not such a bold statement, given it remains a premium position in the league. Really there are three tackles you’d feel comfortable starting on the blind-side in year one — Luke Joeckel, Eric Fisher and Lane Johnson. And then there’s a Grand Canyon of space between the next guy. With teams like Oakland, Arizona and Buffalo all adding ‘stop gap’ quarterbacks this week, they’ve positioned themselves to go after different needs early. They aren’t handcuffed. And that could help keep the left tackles in the top 6-8 picks.

This is the first area we could see genuine movement. San Diego and Miami are on the outside looking in and might feel obliged to make a move into the top five or six to get a left tackle. They’ll need to because suddenly Kansas City, Philadelphia, Detroit, and Arizona all look good bets to draft one of the top three. If Joeckel goes first overall as expected, Fisher and Johnson surely won’t get passed Detroit and Arizona?

The other player who could generate a bit of a spark is Geno Smith. He appears to have emerged as the most desirable quarterback in this class (personally, I still prefer Barkley). Despite the moves by Oakland, Arizona and Buffalo — Matt Flynn, Carson Palmer and Kevin Kolb are not going to answer any long term problems. All three teams need a quarterback for the future. Badly. The question is, have the three new additions this week given them the flexibility to wait?

For example, all three teams could now wait until the early second round. Barkley, Ryan Nassib, E.J. Manuel, Tyler Wilson, Mike Glennon, Tyler Bray, Matt Scott. There are plenty of options there. If nobody bites on Smith in the top ten, how far does he fall?

I’m guessing someone will take Smith in the top ten, but have the three most likely suitors called each others bluffs with their moves this week? Jacksonville probably cringed when they saw the Palmer/Flynn trades. Those two players are more likely to be given the chance to start than Kolb in Buffalo. If you’re the Bills and you want Smith, you might feel less inclined to get ahead of Oakland. I’m guessing the Jaguars were hoping for a bit of a bidding war. Now he might fall to #8 with the Cardinals addressing the offensive line and Oakland adding a much needed pass rusher. I think Buffalo is the most likely fit for Geno Smith.

I reckon Jacksonville is a potential option for Matt Barkley. Gus Bradley will know all about his qualities having spent the last three years with Pete Carroll. He’s a player you can build around, and I suspect Seattle would’ve been hoping to structure around the USC quarterback had they not struck gold on Russell Wilson. If he lasts until the first pick of day two, Barkley could be the pick for Jacksonville. And that would be outstanding value. It’s also the reason why I think someone would look to move into the 20’s to get Barkley if he remains on the board.

What happens at defensive tackle? While it’s a pretty deep class, there aren’t many ‘must have’ players. I think a lot of teams will like Sylvester Williams for example, but will any feel inclined to draft him in round one given he’ll be 25 this year? Is he a true difference maker? I’d argue he’s good, not great. Just like a lot of the DT’s. Really it wouldn’t be a surprise if he went in the top-25 or made it all the way to #56.

Sharrif Floyd, Sheldon Richardson and Star Lotulelei should all be early picks (and are likely to be among the 15 players given first round grades by most teams). After that there’s just a cloud of mystery. Can anyone honestly say they have a good idea where Sly Williams, John Jenkins, Kawann Short, Johnathan Hankins or Jesse Williams will land? They could go anywhere. First. Second. Maybe even third.

Defensive tackle remains a good shout for Seattle in round two, but none of these players are freakishly tall and long. Jenkins is massive, but they’ve looked at guys who are tall and 305-320lbs rather than tall and nearly 350lbs. Kawann Short is a natural three technique, but they don’t seem to be looking for that. In all honesty, despite the need, it wouldn’t shock me if Seattle passed on all of the names listed in the paragraph above and went after a Montori Hughes (6-4, 329lbs) later on. Major character red flags could keep Hughes on the board longer than most expect.

A lot of people don’t think the Seahawks to go linebacker early but I kind of disagree. I don’t think they are handcuffed to amazing speed, although there’s every chance they’ll identify an unknown speedster in the later rounds who just fits into the scheme and works immediately. But I also believe there’s every chance they’ll love what Khaseem Greene brings to the table if he’s there at #56. He’s an impact player. Take that 4.6/4.7 speed an offset it with his mass-production at Rutgers. Not to mention he could be Russell Wilson on defense with his character and heart. He’s a terrific player. His floor might be Tampa Bay at the top of round two (Greg Schiano, Rutgers).

It also wouldn’t shock me if others like Arthur Brown (unlikely to be available) and Sio Moore receive some interest from the Seahawks. I wouldn’t rule out a starting WILL in round two. Why would you rule anything out with this team?

Well, maybe you’d rule out quarterback. John Schneider was part of a front office that drafted Brian Brohm in round two despite having Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers on their roster. It’s also worth noting at the time that Favre was doing his ‘will he or won’t he retire’ act every year and Rodgers had some convincing to do as the prospective heir apparent. Brohm was probably drafted to compete for a starting role. Any quarterback drafted by Seattle this year won’t be competing to usurp Russell Wilson.

Of course, if a certain player is too good to pass you make the pick and hope to turn it into value down the line. However, it’s very difficult to turn the #56 pick into a first rounder if the player is riding the bench. I think it’s more likely they look at the position from round three onwards. Arizona’s Matt Scott will be worked out by Seattle on Friday. That’s one to keep an eye on.

Johnthan Banks is the type of player that falls due to speed issues and then everyone wonders how that ever happened a few years later. I would love, love, love the opportunity to draft him in round two, even if starting outside corner isn’t the biggest need. This front office has been able to add talent at corner with later round picks, but I don’t think they’d be totally against picking the right guy early. Banks would be a hard pass.

I watched Jarvis Jones’ pro-day work out this weekend. I’m worried for the guy. I had him dropping deep into round two in last week’s mock. That could become a reality.

I’m fascinated by Eddie Lacy’s stock. Again, he’s another player who could go anywhere. Tony Pauline spells it out: “The frustration over Lacy and the fact he’s pushed his workout back to April 11th is beginning to boil over. Scouts are questioning whether Lacy is too injured to run or just too slow.” There’s just something about a Lynch-Lacy backfield that seems so ‘Seattle’. He could fall.

And then there’s the offensive line, which could use further depth although I’m not totally convinced that will be a round two target. There are swing tackles likely to be available in that range (Long? Williams? Armstead? Mills? Thomas?) but I do think it’s more of a later round option. Tom Cable will have identified his guy, just as we saw with J.R. Sweezy last year.

I guarantee after day one of the draft you’ll have about 10-20 players you’ll be excited about taking at #56. That’s the way this draft is. It’ll be unpredictable, exciting. And it won’t matter that round one will slide by without any major Seattle shocks this year.

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Tyler Thigpen

It is often said that a 4th round pick in the draft or perhaps $4 million a season in salary is a worthy price for a top shelf backup.  And yet, how many teams actually invest that heavily?  Peyton Manning had Jim Sorgi and the calamitous Curtis Painter.  Tom Brady had Brian Hoyer.  Drew Brees had Chase Daniel.  Aaron Rodgers had a 7th round Matt Flynn before he had UDFA Graham Harrell.   Without looking, how many current backups can you name for Matt Ryan, Big Ben, Matt Schaub, Tony Romo, Philip Rivers, Joe Flacco, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning, or Cam Newton?

The exceptions are future starter hopefuls behind old starters such as Brock Osweiler and Ryan Mallett or insurance policies for (at the time) unproven starter situations like Kirk Cousins and Brian Brohm.  Of them all, only Cousins could really be argued as being drafted for the purposes of being a long term backup, and he only cost a 4th round pick, had low salary, and had very strong potential as a trade chip in the future.

There are two ways to view the value of a backup quarterback.  The first is the backup as insurance policy.  Jim Sorgi and Matt Flynn are good examples of low cost, quality insurance policies that reduced the damage of losing a franchise quarterback for a few games during a season.  Curtis Painter shows the absolute downside of a poor insurance plan, though without Painter there probably isn’t an exec of the year award on Ryan Grigson’s desk right now.  Most people view the backup quarterback in this manner.  Since major injuries to starting quarterbacks are so rare, most teams do not feel the need to make a major investment in an insurance policy they will probably never need.

The second view of the backup quarterback is that of the investment.  It has been used masterfully in the past by the Ron Wolf / Ted Thompson era Packers, the Andy Reid Eagles, and now the John Schneider Seahawks.  This philosophy acquires quarterbacks at low cost, develops them behind a highly established starter, and then moves them later at a profit.  The Packers used this method to develop and move quarterbacks like Mark Brunell, Aaron Brooks, and Matt Hasselbeck.  The Eagles did so with Kevin Kolb and actually traded their starter (Donovan McNabb) when low cost backup Michael Vick proved superior.  I suspect they signed Vince Young on the cheap hoping to repair his image and value for a future trade.  Seattle acquired Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Flynn, and Russell Wilson, and successfully traded the two quarterbacks that failed to win the starting job.

You can read up on John Schneider’s post-Flynn-trade comments here, or just listen for yourself.  John Schneider doesn’t say a lot about his post-Flynn plans, but did drop a few small hints:

“There’s different avenues we can go, obviously,” Schneider said Monday morning on 710 ESPN Seattle radio. “We have a plan in place and it’s contingent on who that player is. There’s veterans who are available right now, some very talented guys actually, and some guys guys that are all football and have been down that road before. … And then there’s also guys in the draft that we think are pretty interesting.

“We have a plan and we’re gonna take it as it comes. We’re not gonna force anything and we’re not gonna get in a situation where we have our hands tied.”

It’s been documented elsewhere that John Schneider described finding a quarterback that is a hard worker, a leader, an enabler… all that good “tilt the field” kind of stuff.  Someone with upside, too.

To me, it’s fairly clear from this language that Seattle is looking for another “investment” style backup- someone that they can acquire at low cost and turn into a profit down the road.  Green Bay used their backup quarterback position as a draft pick generator.  That’s why they are looking at quarterbacks every year.  John Schneider was Ted Thompson’s right hand man in Green Bay and has gone on record saying that he searches for quarterbacks every year.

Russell Wilson is the only quarterback on the roster today, although Chris Mortensen reports that the Seahawks will soon re-sign Josh Portis.  Schneider’s “hands tied” comment reads to me as wanting to keep options open.  Seattle doesn’t need to tax themselves with quarterback reps to determine the starter as they did last season, so they could have Portis, a free agent signing, and a draft pick duke things out in August and move from there.  Seattle entered last preseason with four quarterbacks on their roster, and gave a tryout to GJ Kinne, who would have been the fifth had they signed him.

With that in mind, here are some names to throw against the wall.  It goes without saying, most of the free agent options suck:

Free Agency:

Josh Portis: Portis will reportedly be signed back soon. He has excellent mobility, arm talent, and can check through multiple reads.  Unfortunately, he received extremely few reps last preseason and his performance vs. Oakland suffered greatly as a result.  I suspect that Seattle always hoped to bring Portis back for another training camp but wanted to wait until after dealing Flynn to avoid tipping their hand.

Vince Young: Mortensen linked Young to the Seahawks earlier today on twitter (“add Vince Young to the list” were his exact words), though it’s unclear if he’s sourced or speculating.  Vince Young is an obvious candidate in that he’s low cost, has the athleticism in abundance for read option, and has the potential to rehabilitate his image and turn into a potential trade chip down the road (he’s 30 next offseason, so it wouldn’t be anything exorbitant even in a best case scenario).  Where Young does not fit is in the leadership and work ethic criteria, though it’s possible he might be a changed man after some of the hard times he’s been through.  Young comes with the added perk of not costing Seattle any compensatory pick consideration in 2014, as he was released by the Bills in 2012.

Tyler Thigpen: Many are liking the Seahawks to Tyler Thigpen who was recently made a free agent when Buffalo voided the 3rd year of his contract.  Thigpen actually beat out Vince Young for the 3rd quarterback job in Buffalo last season (after taking a pay cut).  Rob could probably tell you more about Thigpen than I can, but what I can say is that he’s more mobile than his combine 40 time would indicate, and that he had a 18/12 TD/INT ratio with a good number of rushing yards during his only starting season (at Kansas City).  Unfortunately, he has a very low career completion rate and is the definition of a journeyman.  Barring a revelation, it’s hard to see Thigpen turning into a trade chip down the road, so I see him as more of a placeholder than anything else.

Matt Leinart: Seattle very nearly signed Matt Leinart in 2011 with a chance to compete for the starting job, but Leinart turned down that chance to remain a sure backup for Houston.  He lasted just one more year for the Texans before lasting just one year in Oakland.  There have been some unsourced rumors connecting Leinart to Seatttle, but I don’t think Seattle would go this direction until after the draft, if at all.  He wouldn’t be much of a read option quarterback, and he lacks the intangibles John Schneider prefers.

John Skelton: Skelton was released a few hours ago, probably to make room for an imminent Carson Palmer acquisition.  Skelton can be elusive in the pocket but he’s not a mobile quarterback, and he doesn’t have the kind of frame for constant hard contact.  That plus he’s horrible.

Brady Quinn: How bad was Carolina when they lost to Kansas City 27-21 last season?  Brady Quinn put on a clinic, completing 83% of his passes for 8.7 yards per attempt with 2 TDs and no picks, good for a 132.1 passer rating.  For the season though?  He completed 57% of his passes for 5.8 yards per attempt with a 2/8 TD/INT ratio.  Yikes.  Amazingly, that was the only game Carolina lost in their final six contests.

Kellen Clemens: Another lousy journeyman nearing 30.

Seneca Wallace: Wallace (33 years old in August) could actually make sense as an emergency 1 year stopgap option should everything else fall through.

Troy Smith: Smith is a lot like an older, more experienced Josh Portis.  I’ll admit to being a fan, both at Ohio State and during his time with the 49ers in the Singletary era.  Unfortunately, the last time that Smith made a 53 man roster was during said era (2010).  He was a highly inconsistent quarterback, but he had his moments.  He has a terrific arm and is famous for his speed.  Unfortunately, he’s probably too old to flip for a pick down the road.  He turns 29 this July, and is a long way away from reaching his potential.

Tarvaris Jackson (if released in August):  With comments from up on high in Buffalo hinting at a move for a quarterback in the draft and the addition of Kevin Kolb for competition, the odds of Tarvaris Jackson making the 53 man roster seem to be on shaky ground.  His contract is only for $1.75 million though, which could act as great job security even if he fails to earn the starting job.  That said, none of that money is guaranteed, and if Jackson ends up the odd man out if Buffalo drafts a quarterback and only carries two on the roster.  Jackson has obvious familiarity here and posted a 93 passer rating over his final five starts (when he was approaching full health) during the 2011 season in Seattle.

Darron Thomas: Undrafted and unsigned, Thomas has a point guard skillset at quarterback.  He was highly productive in a read option system and (in my opinion) his flaws were blown far out of proportion, although I am not privy to the interviews and private investigator reports NFL teams have.  He was part of the Calgary Stampeders practice roster last season.  Chandler Harnish and Case Keenum are currently on practice squads and could be worth keeping an eye on as it’s not uncommon for teams to release fringe-roster players in June.

Tim Tebow (if released):  His completion rate is 48% for his career.  Yet he also has a respectable career 17/9 TD/INT ratio and a 75.2 career passer rating.  Tebow’s intangibles and leadership are legendary, as his college career and 2011 season put on full display.  If Tebow was very low cost, I think he could be worth a flier on the 90 man preseason roster, but trading for him would require a draft pick of some kind and would mean assuming his $2.6 million cap hit in 2013.  There is no way trading for Tebow makes sense, but in the event he is released he could be worth considering for the purposes of preseason competition.

Tomorrow I’ll have a follow up post discussing some of the draft options.  As you can see, it’s not likely that Seattle will find much from free agency, though I do think Seattle will at least add a body or two from the list above for the sake of competition.

As Seahawks evaluate a few veteran QB options (add Vince Young to list), they do plan to re-sign Josh Portis, cut late last November.

— Chris Mortensen (@mortreport) April 2, 2013

QB Matt Flynn traded to @raiders for 2014 5th-round draft pick & conditional pick in 2015 draft shwks.com/6eqy

— Seattle Seahawks (@Seahawks) April 1, 2013

I don’t think it’s much of a coincidence that Seattle has approached Kam Chancellor about an extension a month before the 2013 draft.  Doing so gives the front office either a chance to sign him to an extension, or get a preview of what might be a difficult, drawn out contract discussion.  In the event that talks are not fruitful (and so far, the two sides seem far apart), it would make sense for Seattle to consider a strong safety prospect in this draft, particularly if one of good value falls to them.

Shawn Williams has some of the best tools of any 2013 safety prospect.  He stands just a hair short of 6 feet tall at 213 pounds while running a brisk 4.46 and putting up 25 reps on the bench press.  He had less fantastic results in agility drills, though they were still respectable.

Unfortunately, there isn’t much of Williams to go off of on youtube and the compilation above makes him look pretty lousy, to be frank.  He gambles in coverage (and loses).  He is a poor tackler that plays almost as if to avoid injury.  He has very few positive plays and numerous negative ones.  That said, Williams’ speed and size could hold some appeal to Seattle as Chancellor’s speed in coverage proved to be an issue at times last year.

As an isolated decision based purely on my grade from what you see above, I probably wouldn’t draft Williams, though Pete Carroll seems to gravitate towards special athletes in need of coaching help.  That’s Shawn Williams in a nutshell.  I don’t think Seattle will draft him early on, but if he slides on draft day I could see him gaining traction with the Seahawks around the 4th or 5th round.